I like how House is always using a hand-held mic. But it's like a boom mic that is broken and he's just holding the end of it. Nobody does that. But House does it. Keep being you, House!
Trade Value List - Ranked 70-1 Honorable Mention (10:09) Alex Caruso, Wendell Carter, Kristaps Porzingis, Seth Curry, Dillon Brooks, Luguentz Dort, Jonathan Kuminga, Jeremy Sochan, R.J. Barrett, Keegan Murray, Bones Hyland, Fred VanVleet Toughest Omissions (13:51) Jalen Suggs, Robert Williams, Jarred Vanderbilt, Dyson Daniels, Draymond Green, Keldon Johnson, Jordan Poole, Jalen Williams, Andrew Nembhard, Devin Vassell, Julius Randle, Ivica Zubac, Malik Monk, Bol Bol Tier 13 - Group M (20:33) 70. Kawhi Leonard 69. Chris Paul 68. Zach Lavine 67. Bradley Beal Tier 12 - Group L (24:13) 66. C.J. McCollum 65. Kyle Kuzma 64. Tyrese Maxey 63. Jeremi Grant 62. DeMar Derozan 61. Jordan Clarkson 60. Tyler Herro Tier 11 - Group K (30:18) Actual List (33:15) 59. Jalen Brunson 58. Lauri Markkanen 57. De’Aaron Fox 56. DeAndre Ayton 55. Jarrett Allen 54. Rudy Gobert 53. Domantas Sabonis 52. Andrew Wiggins Dishonorable Mention (31:41) Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Ben Simmons, Russell Westbrook (?) Tier 10 - Group J - “Upside Gang” (35:29) 51. Jaden Ivey 50. Herbert Jones 49. Shaedon Sharpe 48. Ben Mathurin 47. Jabari Smith Tier 9 - Group I - “Sorry, He’s Worth More To Us Than You” (44:26) 46. Jaren Jackson Jr. 45. O.G. Anunoby 44. Marcus Smart 43. Dejounte Murray 42. Chris Middleton 41. LeBron James (?) 40. Jamal Murray Tier 8 - Group H (49:40) 39. LaMelo Ball 38. Chet Holmgren 37. Cade Cunningham 36. Scottie Barnes 35. Jalen Green 34. Josh Giddey Tier 7 - Group G (53:26) 33. Mikal Bridges 32. Anfernee Simons 31. Franz Wagner 30. Desmond Bane 29. Darius Garland Tier 6 - Group F (1:01:28) 28. Trae Young 27. Karl Anthony Towns Tier 5 - Group E (1:06:00) 26. 14% Chance for Victor Wembanyama (Top-5 Pick) Tier 4 - Group D (1:06:47) 25. Brandon Ingram 24. Pascal Siakam 23. Paul George 22. Damian Lillard 21. Donovan Mitchell 20. Jrue Holiday 19. Bam Adebayo Tier 3 - Group C (1:15:18) 18. Tyrese Haliburton 17. Anthony Edwards 16. Paolo Banchero Tier 2 - Group B (1:18:45) 15. Jimmy Butler 14. Jaylen Brown 13. Anthony Davis 12. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 11. Kevin Durant Tier 1 - Group A “Untouchables” (1:26:46) 10. Joel Embiid 9. Zion Williamson 8. Evan Mobley 7. Devin Booker 6. Ja Morant Tier 0 - Group A “Utterly Untouchable” (1:36:34) 5. Jayson Tatum 4. Stephen Curry 3. Nikola Jokic 2. Luka Doncic 1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
@@Giggitygootwo idk its not a true ranking of players just ranking their trade value from both sides of the deal. It's a better and cleaner way to look at players
Cade would be higher if not for the injury. I don’t agree with it, as a Pistons fan, I think he should be in the tier with Paolo and Halliburton, but that’s the way the list has always worked. I agree that Giddey is too high.
I’m glad House finally called out Simmons irrational love for Evan Mobley. Mobley is a really good young player that will be great but Philly ain’t trading Embiid for him nor is New Orleans trading Zion for him. Put him in the Haliburton, Edwards, Banchero tier and honestly all of those guys as of now I think are better players than Mobley and Lamelo deserves to be in that group too. Ain’t his fault he plays for sorry Charlotte
Mobley is a transcendent player, but he is really young. Simmons just is envisioning his career. Honestly Mobley reminds me of young Tim Duncan; from Duncan's college days
@@zacharybarker9991 Blasphemy. Duncan was a top tier player as rookie lol. We need to stop comparing anyone with talent to pantheon players. He looks good but I don't see a top 10 all time player he didn't even win ROTY?
Portland fan here, Shaedon Sharpe is the REAL THING. That placement is pretty accurate imo. p.s. Rudy Fernandez was a decent player who just wasn't as good as Brandon Roy so he got spot minutes and never really got a chance to develop... and also he got homesick lol It's pretty understandable, I would get homesick too if I was from Spain then suddenly had to deal with PDX weather 🌧🌧
@@michaelsledge3904 that’s a bad comp. Not bc of talent, they’re just so different. Sharp reminds me a lot of Brandon Roy the way he moves so easy around the court but still has that absolutely elite athleticism.
Can someone help me understand why this Sharpe kid is getting more hype than someone like Gerald Green or even Derrick Jones Jr.? They are both just as special athletically
I can always respect someone that comes out and makes hot takes they actually believe in. Thank you Bill and Ryan for the content. I love hearing others opinions on players and watching ultimately how it plays out. It's crazy to think that a couple of plays in a game define how the narratives around players work. I hope for nothing but health and success for the league, may the players and owners reap the benefits of the most beautiful professional sport to watch and be a fan of. Ball is life 🏀
I think the thing that got Zion on the right track was watching the pelicans fight it out in the playoffs last year with so much spirit and guts. I think he finally decided that he wanted to be a part of that team and that there was real potential for high level achievements. Whatever it was I'm glad that it happened.
I'm still terrified whenever I see his weird-ass walk and trot. For the love of god, his gait is weird. They should have him doing non-stop leg curls and extensions and reduce his upper body weight through high rep workouts rather than power lifting. The Bruce Lee workout: steel cables instead of boulders.
@@chiggsytube Only KD goes through youtube comments and argues with people 🤣 But seriously, he's slimmed down but he is still out of proportion. Those knees need more strength/mass, the shoulders less strength/mass.
The issue was what was given and what was taken back. Pels traded Lonzo AND a first round pick for Graham, a second round pick, and someone else I'm forgetting (this player is not even on the team anymore). It was a horrible trade.
@@prattredd349 Tragic. But as a medical professional I look at this scientifically. There is a certain error rate with ANY medical procedure, even non-invasive ones. Their effectiveness is balanced against that risk, and is occasionally re-evaluated. Colonoscopies? Catching and removing polyps early and identifying high risk individuals extends life span and greatly outweighs the risk. Breast exams? Same logic but recently reevaluated and pushed later in life because the X-Rays involved push risk too high to justify their use in younger women (unless you have a family history, which is a major risk factor!) Approval for the COVID vaccine was denied kids under 5. They just weren't at risk enough from COVID to justify it. (Yes, even vaccines carry a tiny risk, though our immune systems are constantly challenged, multiple times a day). The point is this is the noise of the universe. A surgeon did not necessarily screw this up. And a public service announcement: don't get procedures unless they are medically necessary. There is always that occasional bad result with a plastic surgery.
Why isnt claxton accounted for on these lists? Hes 23, on a two year 16 mil contract and plays exceptional defense. Perusing this list shouldnt he slot somewhere?
I'm happy for you, as a Bulls "fan" to watch Lauri become the most valuable asset and to have traded him for a lottery protected pick (Portland?) and DJJ just made me realize how sad a franchise can become with several bad moves. I was on the sinking ship with Lauri and believed he just needed some time and health. Like we needed a big and we could have asked for Larry Nance or just kept Gafford even if Lauri had to go. As a fan, I ultimately just get to watch as 'professionals' make decisions on players. The rage I used to feel is now gone, I respect any love for the game. I have turned from a city fan to a fan of the game and the players. If anyone cares 🏀 P.S. Luka was obviously the #1 and it was hilarious to watch anyone to think otherwise. It's fun to watch other teams and players succeed.
I wish they included the #1 Draft pick of the upcoming draft in these. It would be interesting to assess year to year what they believe the value in having that pick would be, as we see teams racing to the bottom for a chance at Wembanyama, or future drafts where the top pick may not be as clear cut.
I think Bill said in another video, with the trade value list he did before session started, that he placed Wenbenyama in top 5. Not over Doncic nor Giannis, but almost tied with Curry and Jokic
I think that Andrew Wiggins is more than just a three and D guy. He's been very good at both of those things while he's been at golden state and is shooting something like 45% from three this year which is just crazy because it's not on a very small sample or a very small amount each night. Obviously that will most likely come down. I think he plays a lot of the three and D game because they need him to but when he's the main scorer out there he has no problem getting to the rim.
Mmm. He clearly showed he was clutch in what can be called the Redemption Series for him. I think he's above a 3 and D guy. But that's the name for guys who are stars on bad teams. Is he really different than the #1 draft in MIN? I'll answer myself: maybe yes, at least 3rd option guy on a contender. He's having the best year of his career. Clearly part of that is playing next to a generational talent. But he has leveled up a bit, especially from 3. 45% on 7.2 attempts? Dayum.
@@David-iv6je not only that he has the bag and the physical size to get to the basket when he wants. I think the other guys from the three and D category are mostly guys who do just those two things. He's a decent shooter from everywhere. I kind of hope he gets a look for a second All-Star team though the league and the western division are stacked at his position.
@@bookaufman9643 I'm not even a GSW fan but one of my best memories of the Finals win was the smile on Wiggins' face. Redemption. But what am I saying? Curry's crying was great. Klay's joy at coming back was great. Klay saying "Holy Cannoli" on the podium was great. The whole thing was great. And I'm not a Dubs fan. (Clearly also not a Celts fan, ha ha)
With Steph out this will certainly prove it. As great as he was in the playoffs their wasn't that much pressure on him. They go 2-10 without Steph and the bloom is off the rose for Wiggins
Everything you said in your post is why he is the best 3 and D wing…he can lock up the best scorer and he can make 3’s….what am I missing. He is not a reliable first option on any team, let alone a contending team. His play in GS has been great, but he is nowhere near the top of the defenses priority list in terms of what to slow down from the warriors offense. Unfortunately, he won’t be able to prove he is more than this archetype of player until Curry retires, or he is traded. Curry demands way too much attention to put any other perimeter player on his team higher on this list.
39:19 this is why I like Simmons. He was wrong af and is willing to admit it. The other two times he was super wrong was the Celtics with Kyrie and Gordon Hayward lol he thought they were gonna win 67 games, and when he publicly called out Woj for tweeting that the warriors, in the middle of a 73-9 season, were recruiting Kevin Durant LOL. That’s my personal favorite 😂
When you admit to your whiffs it makes the hits seem way more credible. Bill is surprisingly on top of the ball most of the time and I firmly believe he would be a better than average GM. Of course no one cares about a plebians opinion, but one at a time.
Lol He'll honestly probably swerve into a "this league is so deep" which is true, or maybe talk about how Franz and Palo are going to be a dynamic duo which is also based
Thybulles net rating when he actually plays more than 10 minutes a game, like every other year was half what it is this year. Thybulle is also shorter than Jones. And the fact Thybulle can’t get minutes on that squad should be all the proof you need for why he shouldn’t be talked about…every dude who can’t get minutes is automatically disqualified, period.
Bill seems to have this really weird thing with Dame. Idk what it is but he’s always been super down on him compared to guys like Mitchell. Guy has been going off and they barely talked about him except for “he’s loyal good for him.” Idk just kinda bizarre with how lukewarm you guys are with Lillard. ( it’s kinda crazy they had him so low on the trade value list but I guess it’s possible I’m overrating him)
Yeah I think Bill’s refusing to accept how bad his Dame take was after opening night this year (when he compared him to Dana Barros, lmao) and he’s been sneak dissing Dame throughout the year. Weird on his part. The only thing he might have a point on is about Dame’s contract.
Dame is definitely a great individual player and a HOF, but on any legit title contending team, he’s more of a #2 than a #1. He’s only gotten a team as far as the Conference finals where they were swept by the Warriors without Kevin Durant when Kevin Durant was still with the Warriors. Maybe he realizes that Dame as a franchise guy is only gonna take a team so far, especially a going on 33 year old Dame.
When Perk from ESPN tried to make it racist because the dude is white is the worst take ever. Jokic is getting the MVP because the dude is consistently ballin.ESPN keeps losing viewership because of the narrative thier employees keep pushing.
For me the most outstanding thing is having absolutely NO Maverick other than Luka on second spot. And that's not a knock on the list, I do agree with it. Just shows how disfunctional this roster is, despite being at the west finals last year with somewhat the same guys...
It all started about 10 years ago once people starting acknowledging that the NBA Finals trophy was called the Larry O'Brien's trophy. WTF is Larry O'Brien? It was one of those things that made you sound smart because you know it.... They started a monster and now can't stop it.
Simmons love for Mobley got me draft the guy 4th round in fantasy. But as a 4th option on a contending team I really don't see how much he can pop at this point for this season at least. Swapped him for Harris and nurkic feeling good.
Yeah I think the Donavan Mitchell trade messes with him alot I'm sure he was gonna have a way more bigger role on the offensive end this year until Mitchell came
I remember when Bill and Especially "Your Boy" Ry were damning the Knicks signing of Brunson. Now both say there were all in on Brunson? Gotta go back and listen to episode,6 of the trade deadline or free agent signings they both said it was a bad signing. Brunson is a player in the Chris Paul/Joe Dumars mold
I don’t understand the narrative that it’s not the teams fault for signing a player, like Bradley Beal or Zach Lavine, when they know what they were getting, knew they weren’t contending, and had time to trade him. It is the teams fault, it’s called having perspective
it's not a sexy pick but i think steven adams has been a top 70 guy just based on the value he brings to his team, every team he's on is a lock for a top offensive rebounding team, top defensive team, and he's easily the top enforcer in the league. One of the best screeners in the league, probably the hardest guy to move down low, very hard to get positioning against him, and he just does every little thing. He's been a starting center on really good teams for a long time for a good reason, and he would've been a walking double double if russ wasn't robbing him of defensive rebounds. And this is in retrospect, but he averaged a career his 11.5 boards at age 29. Career high last year too getting 10 a game. The on off stats for him and the grizzlies in the playoffs were also astounding last year. Super valuable, but as a trade value it's a little more fishy. He was making big bucks in this season, but His extension he signed in memphis is great value at under 13 a year for 2 more years. it's a little crazy he got traded with a. pick for Jonas Valanciunas. The only thing he does better is a little bit of spacing and he's a better scorer. That Pelicans year was very tough. Putting him in the same front court as zion was baffling.
I think the issue is that you couldn’t trade Zion for Mobley last year if you attached two first round picks…in another 50 games, Zion could very well be fifth or higher, but right now it isn’t enough.
Yes, trading a bunch of useful players for a 50 million a year low IQ diminished athleticism player and completely hamstringing all contention possibilities for years is his crowning achievement.
It’s time we ease up on players and there contracts, what are they really supposed to do turn down 250 million? It’s time we start ranking “The worst contract giving teams” and start pointing the finger at the franchises giving out these terrible deals.
I think Bill is making a mistake by ranking the players who you would rather have in a trade between the two players. The metric should look at how many teams would rather have one player over the other and then go from there.
Why is Kawhi so low? When he's healthy he's a one man championship (I understand he's not healthy a lot). In regard to basketball, why would Lebron be so much higher than him? Lebron brings people to watch, but I don't think that's what the video is about. If teams had a choice between Kawhi and Lebron TODAY to win a championship, I can't imagine anyone would choose Lebron. Not just about Lebron, though, true for most players. How many players would be chosen over Kawhi to win a championship. I can understand the younger guys on cheap contracts would have a higher trade value, but don't understand Butler, Chris Paul, and most others.
@@dparks2856 no gm trying to win/keep his job would sacrifice an all-star or depth and picks for Bron right now. He's basically surviving on open looks in the lane and legacy calls at this point.
@@holstorrsceadus1990 Lol... no shit Sherlock.. what player would bring back anything in value in year 20?? Kobe or Dirk not at all and not MJ in year 14 or 15
Luka probably doesn't drink sweet tea. As a lifelong Texan I can inform you that tea in Texas is served unsweetened and you have the option to sweeten it with real sugar or artificial sweetener as you like. When I moved to North Carolina I found out that tea was always served sweetened and it was a pretty big surprise to me. Since Luka is in Dallas he would have to sweeten the tea himself.
That one is bizarre. The most Utah would get for clarkson is an expiring contract and a highly protected first. Philly would get a massive haul of draft picks if for some reason they decided to move Maxey
He’s not going anywhere he’s just dangling himself out there to maybe start a bidding war. Same thing players do. Same thing Charles barely just did with LIV golf
LeBron w Jimmy makes sense. Tough to compare Bron to young players bc HOU etc are not in a win now role, but comparing Bron to players on playoff teams is more fair. You want Bron or Jimmy? Bron or Kawaii? Bron or Mikal?
I’m sorry but Gobert just sucks doesn’t impact winning and can’t guard anyone in the playoffs when it really matters. If he switches on to anyone that isn’t a center on the wing they are almost guaranteed to score. The dude just straight up sucks but you nerd love him no no reason
Poole gets paid 30 mil a year? Wtf. Bob Myers dropped the ball hard there. He's good but not 30 mil a year good. Not even close. Look at a similar player for instance jordan Clarkson. Similar roles and style of play. Clarkson gets paid a fourth of pooles salary. He's been grossly overpaid
well ja isnt untouchable, because if any of the top 5 players in your list were offered for him, hed be gone, I dont think that would happen the other way around
Seriously, he had Jrue Holiday in the top 20, and Evan Mobley at 9 or whatever. No other media person would say Jrue Holiday should be that high. But, I agree he should be that high because he is a legit lockdown perimeter defender. Holiday isn’t that high because he gets buckets…
I like how House is always using a hand-held mic. But it's like a boom mic that is broken and he's just holding the end of it. Nobody does that. But House does it. Keep being you, House!
Youre god damn right
House just one of those dudes that’s so easy to love
@@fufuman27 End of the pod
Simmons: This was fun
House: It's always fun!
@@fufuman27 tr
House and Bill is such a good-ass combo.
It's just two guys shootin' the shit about basketball and it's EXCELLENT.
Trade Value List - Ranked 70-1
Honorable Mention (10:09)
Alex Caruso, Wendell Carter, Kristaps Porzingis, Seth Curry, Dillon Brooks, Luguentz Dort, Jonathan Kuminga, Jeremy Sochan, R.J. Barrett, Keegan Murray, Bones Hyland, Fred VanVleet
Toughest Omissions (13:51)
Jalen Suggs, Robert Williams, Jarred Vanderbilt, Dyson Daniels, Draymond Green, Keldon Johnson, Jordan Poole, Jalen Williams, Andrew Nembhard, Devin Vassell, Julius Randle, Ivica Zubac, Malik Monk, Bol Bol
Tier 13 - Group M (20:33)
70. Kawhi Leonard 69. Chris Paul 68. Zach Lavine 67. Bradley Beal
Tier 12 - Group L (24:13)
66. C.J. McCollum 65. Kyle Kuzma 64. Tyrese Maxey 63. Jeremi Grant 62. DeMar Derozan 61. Jordan Clarkson 60. Tyler Herro
Tier 11 - Group K (30:18) Actual List (33:15)
59. Jalen Brunson 58. Lauri Markkanen 57. De’Aaron Fox 56. DeAndre Ayton 55. Jarrett Allen 54. Rudy Gobert 53. Domantas Sabonis 52. Andrew Wiggins
Dishonorable Mention (31:41)
Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Ben Simmons, Russell Westbrook (?)
Tier 10 - Group J - “Upside Gang” (35:29)
51. Jaden Ivey 50. Herbert Jones 49. Shaedon Sharpe 48. Ben Mathurin 47. Jabari Smith
Tier 9 - Group I - “Sorry, He’s Worth More To Us Than You” (44:26)
46. Jaren Jackson Jr. 45. O.G. Anunoby 44. Marcus Smart 43. Dejounte Murray 42. Chris Middleton 41. LeBron James (?) 40. Jamal Murray
Tier 8 - Group H (49:40)
39. LaMelo Ball 38. Chet Holmgren 37. Cade Cunningham 36. Scottie Barnes 35. Jalen Green 34. Josh Giddey
Tier 7 - Group G (53:26)
33. Mikal Bridges 32. Anfernee Simons 31. Franz Wagner 30. Desmond Bane 29. Darius Garland
Tier 6 - Group F (1:01:28)
28. Trae Young 27. Karl Anthony Towns
Tier 5 - Group E (1:06:00)
26. 14% Chance for Victor Wembanyama (Top-5 Pick)
Tier 4 - Group D (1:06:47)
25. Brandon Ingram 24. Pascal Siakam 23. Paul George 22. Damian Lillard 21. Donovan Mitchell 20. Jrue Holiday 19. Bam Adebayo
Tier 3 - Group C (1:15:18)
18. Tyrese Haliburton 17. Anthony Edwards 16. Paolo Banchero
Tier 2 - Group B (1:18:45)
15. Jimmy Butler 14. Jaylen Brown 13. Anthony Davis 12. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 11. Kevin Durant
Tier 1 - Group A “Untouchables” (1:26:46)
10. Joel Embiid 9. Zion Williamson 8. Evan Mobley 7. Devin Booker 6. Ja Morant
Tier 0 - Group A “Utterly Untouchable” (1:36:34)
5. Jayson Tatum 4. Stephen Curry 3. Nikola Jokic 2. Luka Doncic 1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
This list is the biggest reach every year. Like a train wreck.
Tier 2 - Group B (1:18:45)
15. Jimmy Butler 14. Jaylen Brown 13. Anthony Davis 12. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 11. Kevin Durant
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@@Giggitygootwo idk its not a true ranking of players just ranking their trade value from both sides of the deal. It's a better and cleaner way to look at players
Rudy Gobert is in the "Dishonorable mentions" group. I don't know what Bill's on to value Evan Mobley so highly.
I love hearing bill in long format such a treat
?? He puts out 2 hour podcasts several times a week??
Gotta check on Spotify!
Did Bill mention he has Clippers season tickets?
Since 2002, remember
I wish he’d mention it at least once
Adds ‘credibility’ lol makes it seems better than him forming opinions solely from watching on TV
More than one hour in and still no mention
😂😂🤣
Joe house is my favorite character in the ringer bill simmons universe
Actually it's called the Bill Simmons Sportsamatic Universe™ .
True That!
Agreed. I wish we could get a Dick House appearance. Only the real fans will get that lol
Wait was Giddeys trade value higher than LaMelo and Cades with no push back?
Bill doesn't hire people who give him pushback.
Cade would be higher if not for the injury. I don’t agree with it, as a Pistons fan, I think he should be in the tier with Paolo and Halliburton, but that’s the way the list has always worked.
I agree that Giddey is too high.
Giddey is good but I'm with you he's the third best player in that group
That's why I like Russillo with Simmons. He calls him out on bs
The ringer stay hoe’n melo. When we get Vic and ascend to the top, I don’t wanna see the ringer hoppin on the wagon!!!!!
I’m glad House finally called out Simmons irrational love for Evan Mobley. Mobley is a really good young player that will be great but Philly ain’t trading Embiid for him nor is New Orleans trading Zion for him. Put him in the Haliburton, Edwards, Banchero tier and honestly all of those guys as of now I think are better players than Mobley and Lamelo deserves to be in that group too. Ain’t his fault he plays for sorry Charlotte
I really don’t get what Simmons sees in Mobley.
@@deliz432 He reminds him of the Celtics great KG. I bet KG is one of his fav players of all time.
Clearly you have zero clue what impact he makes on defense. Mobleys impact on D is equal to Ants impact on offense. So you prove what a clown you are.
Mobley is a transcendent player, but he is really young. Simmons just is envisioning his career. Honestly Mobley reminds me of young Tim Duncan; from Duncan's college days
@@zacharybarker9991 Blasphemy. Duncan was a top tier player as rookie lol. We need to stop comparing anyone with talent to pantheon players. He looks good but I don't see a top 10 all time player he didn't even win ROTY?
no one else thinks this much about the nba like you do. Keep it up!😊
Portland fan here, Shaedon Sharpe is the REAL THING. That placement is pretty accurate imo.
p.s. Rudy Fernandez was a decent player who just wasn't as good as Brandon Roy so he got spot minutes and never really got a chance to develop... and also he got homesick lol
It's pretty understandable, I would get homesick too if I was from Spain then suddenly had to deal with PDX weather 🌧🌧
I agree. I can see him being an Athletic Tatum 🤷🏾♂️
@@michaelsledge3904 lets not disrespect tatum
@@michaelsledge3904 that’s a bad comp. Not bc of talent, they’re just so different. Sharp reminds me a lot of Brandon Roy the way he moves so easy around the court but still has that absolutely elite athleticism.
Can someone help me understand why this Sharpe kid is getting more hype than someone like Gerald Green or even Derrick Jones Jr.? They are both just as special athletically
Also I am a Rudy Fernandez fan, I think he was underrated as a solid role player for a little while
Bill Simmons was right, as a Blazer fan I didn't blink an eye for where Sharpe ended up on the list
the lebron james play-in mvp award trophy gonna go crazy
I can always respect someone that comes out and makes hot takes they actually believe in. Thank you Bill and Ryan for the content. I love hearing others opinions on players and watching ultimately how it plays out. It's crazy to think that a couple of plays in a game define how the narratives around players work. I hope for nothing but health and success for the league, may the players and owners reap the benefits of the most beautiful professional sport to watch and be a fan of. Ball is life 🏀
I think the thing that got Zion on the right track was watching the pelicans fight it out in the playoffs last year with so much spirit and guts. I think he finally decided that he wanted to be a part of that team and that there was real potential for high level achievements. Whatever it was I'm glad that it happened.
I'm still terrified whenever I see his weird-ass walk and trot. For the love of god, his gait is weird. They should have him doing non-stop leg curls and extensions and reduce his upper body weight through high rep workouts rather than power lifting. The Bruce Lee workout: steel cables instead of boulders.
I'm sure it helped, but I think acquiring CJ really showed they're trying to show they're for real
They have so much talent
@@David-iv6je What he really should do is read youtube comments and that will set him straight.
@@chiggsytube Only KD goes through youtube comments and argues with people 🤣
But seriously, he's slimmed down but he is still out of proportion. Those knees need more strength/mass, the shoulders less strength/mass.
We love Shaedon Sharpe in Portland. Already had the dunk of the year w/ that putback the other day
He’s a freak!
Aaron Gordon said hold my beer
With Curry out, Mr triple singles value just plummeted.
Happy new year 2023!
To hear Bill giving mad creds to Shaedon Sharpe; my heart is full.
Simmons: Kyle! Turn on the MFing TikTok camera!
The Pelicans letting go of Lonzo was an amazing move idk what’s going on with him
He’s always been injury prone
Poor dude had a botched surgery on his knee
The issue was what was given and what was taken back. Pels traded Lonzo AND a first round pick for Graham, a second round pick, and someone else I'm forgetting (this player is not even on the team anymore). It was a horrible trade.
Botched knee surgery is what happened. Damn shame too he can be a great 2 way PG. Also he LOVES basketball in general
@@prattredd349 Tragic. But as a medical professional I look at this scientifically. There is a certain error rate with ANY medical procedure, even non-invasive ones. Their effectiveness is balanced against that risk, and is occasionally re-evaluated. Colonoscopies? Catching and removing polyps early and identifying high risk individuals extends life span and greatly outweighs the risk. Breast exams? Same logic but recently reevaluated and pushed later in life because the X-Rays involved push risk too high to justify their use in younger women (unless you have a family history, which is a major risk factor!) Approval for the COVID vaccine was denied kids under 5. They just weren't at risk enough from COVID to justify it. (Yes, even vaccines carry a tiny risk, though our immune systems are constantly challenged, multiple times a day).
The point is this is the noise of the universe. A surgeon did not necessarily screw this up. And a public service announcement: don't get procedures unless they are medically necessary. There is always that occasional bad result with a plastic surgery.
Why isnt claxton accounted for on these lists? Hes 23, on a two year 16 mil contract and plays exceptional defense. Perusing this list shouldnt he slot somewhere?
He’s right about Shaedon Sharpe. The guy is the most explosive athlete I’ve ever seen. Has me excited as a blazer fan!
I'm happy for you, as a Bulls "fan" to watch Lauri become the most valuable asset and to have traded him for a lottery protected pick (Portland?) and DJJ just made me realize how sad a franchise can become with several bad moves. I was on the sinking ship with Lauri and believed he just needed some time and health. Like we needed a big and we could have asked for Larry Nance or just kept Gafford even if Lauri had to go. As a fan, I ultimately just get to watch as 'professionals' make decisions on players. The rage I used to feel is now gone, I respect any love for the game. I have turned from a city fan to a fan of the game and the players. If anyone cares 🏀
P.S. Luka was obviously the #1 and it was hilarious to watch anyone to think otherwise. It's fun to watch other teams and players succeed.
You need a new webcam Bill, with as many videos as you make, this 480p just doesn't cut it. Love the content though
There’s no way in fuck that the Magic are trading Paolo for Mobley. Probably not even Franz for Mobley
I wish they included the #1 Draft pick of the upcoming draft in these. It would be interesting to assess year to year what they believe the value in having that pick would be, as we see teams racing to the bottom for a chance at Wembanyama, or future drafts where the top pick may not be as clear cut.
I think Bill said in another video, with the trade value list he did before session started, that he placed Wenbenyama in top 5. Not over Doncic nor Giannis, but almost tied with Curry and Jokic
They did include it..lol..watch the video.
The LeBron James GM of the Year Trophy
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Nice
I think that Andrew Wiggins is more than just a three and D guy. He's been very good at both of those things while he's been at golden state and is shooting something like 45% from three this year which is just crazy because it's not on a very small sample or a very small amount each night. Obviously that will most likely come down. I think he plays a lot of the three and D game because they need him to but when he's the main scorer out there he has no problem getting to the rim.
Mmm. He clearly showed he was clutch in what can be called the Redemption Series for him. I think he's above a 3 and D guy. But that's the name for guys who are stars on bad teams. Is he really different than the #1 draft in MIN?
I'll answer myself: maybe yes, at least 3rd option guy on a contender. He's having the best year of his career. Clearly part of that is playing next to a generational talent. But he has leveled up a bit, especially from 3. 45% on 7.2 attempts? Dayum.
@@David-iv6je not only that he has the bag and the physical size to get to the basket when he wants. I think the other guys from the three and D category are mostly guys who do just those two things. He's a decent shooter from everywhere. I kind of hope he gets a look for a second All-Star team though the league and the western division are stacked at his position.
@@bookaufman9643 I'm not even a GSW fan but one of my best memories of the Finals win was the smile on Wiggins' face. Redemption. But what am I saying? Curry's crying was great. Klay's joy at coming back was great. Klay saying "Holy Cannoli" on the podium was great. The whole thing was great. And I'm not a Dubs fan. (Clearly also not a Celts fan, ha ha)
With Steph out this will certainly prove it. As great as he was in the playoffs their wasn't that much pressure on him. They go 2-10 without Steph and the bloom is off the rose for Wiggins
Everything you said in your post is why he is the best 3 and D wing…he can lock up the best scorer and he can make 3’s….what am I missing. He is not a reliable first option on any team, let alone a contending team. His play in GS has been great, but he is nowhere near the top of the defenses priority list in terms of what to slow down from the warriors offense. Unfortunately, he won’t be able to prove he is more than this archetype of player until Curry retires, or he is traded. Curry demands way too much attention to put any other perimeter player on his team higher on this list.
This list really cements how screwed my mavs are. Too good to tank, no moves to make.
Gracias por subir el programa entero! se ve en mala calidad eso si.
39:19 this is why I like Simmons. He was wrong af and is willing to admit it. The other two times he was super wrong was the Celtics with Kyrie and Gordon Hayward lol he thought they were gonna win 67 games, and when he publicly called out Woj for tweeting that the warriors, in the middle of a 73-9 season, were recruiting Kevin Durant LOL. That’s my personal favorite 😂
When you admit to your whiffs it makes the hits seem way more credible. Bill is surprisingly on top of the ball most of the time and I firmly believe he would be a better than average GM. Of course no one cares about a plebians opinion, but one at a time.
Towns in Toronto makes sense imo all the 6'8 players and he can just stand around the rim and benefit as a duo with Scottie.
Can't wait to hear Bill's take after my Magic got their 5th win in a row against his league-leading Celts tonight.
Lol He'll honestly probably swerve into a "this league is so deep" which is true, or maybe talk about how Franz and Palo are going to be a dynamic duo which is also based
@@BiscuitBoi77 hell, he better make it a double deflection dose since we just beat the Celtics again tonight lol
If you pause any Bill Simmons video, there is a 60% chance he looks like the Grinch.
Love the PG Trophy 🤣 he's one of my favorite players hands down
Defining Bam moment was the block on Tatum in the bubble. Obviously it’s going to be a defensive moment.
mj getting mvp and lebron getting the durability award would be the ultimate slap in the face lmao
Holiday is always criminally underrated, but I'm glad Bill gets it.
What's the difference between Matisse Thybulle and Herb Jones? Same age, same efficiency. One is allowed to play the other is not.
Thybulles net rating when he actually plays more than 10 minutes a game, like every other year was half what it is this year. Thybulle is also shorter than Jones. And the fact Thybulle can’t get minutes on that squad should be all the proof you need for why he shouldn’t be talked about…every dude who can’t get minutes is automatically disqualified, period.
Celtics would 100% do Luka for JT
Criticizes something as trivial as award names, then makes a long trade value list - nothing could be more trivial and extraneous
JA crazy untouchable. Most popular player in the league, small market. Memphis would absolutely never give him away.
He's not the most popular player. Lol
He's popular now for waving his shooter. Hope he's learning and not burning. Would be a tragic story.
Bill seems to have this really weird thing with Dame. Idk what it is but he’s always been super down on him compared to guys like Mitchell.
Guy has been going off and they barely talked about him except for “he’s loyal good for him.” Idk just kinda bizarre with how lukewarm you guys are with Lillard.
( it’s kinda crazy they had him so low on the trade value list but I guess it’s possible I’m overrating him)
Yeah I think Bill’s refusing to accept how bad his Dame take was after opening night this year (when he compared him to Dana Barros, lmao) and he’s been sneak dissing Dame throughout the year. Weird on his part. The only thing he might have a point on is about Dame’s contract.
Dame is definitely a great individual player and a HOF, but on any legit title contending team, he’s more of a #2 than a #1. He’s only gotten a team as far as the Conference finals where they were swept by the Warriors without Kevin Durant when Kevin Durant was still with the Warriors. Maybe he realizes that Dame as a franchise guy is only gonna take a team so far, especially a going on 33 year old Dame.
Yes and De’Aaron Fox
Bill is the best at this, hands down
This is also the best duo at The Ringer
Jokic is going to win his 3rd MVP in a row. Dude is balling out. Undeniable.
When Perk from ESPN tried to make it racist because the dude is white is the worst take ever. Jokic is getting the MVP because the dude is consistently ballin.ESPN keeps losing viewership because of the narrative thier employees keep pushing.
Evan Mobley is a slightly better Larry Nance jr what is bill talking about?
As a Rockets fan, if we traded Jalen Green for Lebron I would give up. I'd rather be a Kings fan at that point.
"Heat Culture? What is that?" 😂😂😂
GOATed content
For me the most outstanding thing is having absolutely NO Maverick other than Luka on second spot. And that's not a knock on the list, I do agree with it. Just shows how disfunctional this roster is, despite being at the west finals last year with somewhat the same guys...
It all started about 10 years ago once people starting acknowledging that the NBA Finals trophy was called the Larry O'Brien's trophy. WTF is Larry O'Brien? It was one of those things that made you sound smart because you know it.... They started a monster and now can't stop it.
Simmons love for Mobley got me draft the guy 4th round in fantasy. But as a 4th option on a contending team I really don't see how much he can pop at this point for this season at least. Swapped him for Harris and nurkic feeling good.
Yeah I think the Donavan Mitchell trade messes with him alot I'm sure he was gonna have a way more bigger role on the offensive end this year until Mitchell came
I remember when Bill and Especially "Your Boy" Ry were damning the Knicks signing of Brunson. Now both say there were all in on Brunson? Gotta go back and listen to episode,6 of the trade deadline or free agent signings they both said it was a bad signing. Brunson is a player in the Chris Paul/Joe Dumars mold
Bill we're taping this at Simmons
Mathurin's best asset is his fearlessness.
I don’t understand the narrative that it’s not the teams fault for signing a player, like Bradley Beal or Zach Lavine, when they know what they were getting, knew they weren’t contending, and had time to trade him. It is the teams fault, it’s called having perspective
Joe House with the 240p webcam, using a headset with the mic boom connected and folded out while using another mic simultaneously. True boomer.
it's not a sexy pick but i think steven adams has been a top 70 guy just based on the value he brings to his team, every team he's on is a lock for a top offensive rebounding team, top defensive team, and he's easily the top enforcer in the league. One of the best screeners in the league, probably the hardest guy to move down low, very hard to get positioning against him, and he just does every little thing. He's been a starting center on really good teams for a long time for a good reason, and he would've been a walking double double if russ wasn't robbing him of defensive rebounds. And this is in retrospect, but he averaged a career his 11.5 boards at age 29. Career high last year too getting 10 a game. The on off stats for him and the grizzlies in the playoffs were also astounding last year. Super valuable, but as a trade value it's a little more fishy. He was making big bucks in this season, but His extension he signed in memphis is great value at under 13 a year for 2 more years. it's a little crazy he got traded with a. pick for Jonas Valanciunas. The only thing he does better is a little bit of spacing and he's a better scorer. That Pelicans year was very tough. Putting him in the same front court as zion was baffling.
give me zion over mobley any day
I think the issue is that you couldn’t trade Zion for Mobley last year if you attached two first round picks…in another 50 games, Zion could very well be fifth or higher, but right now it isn’t enough.
"His stats might be the same except he averages 3 less rebounds and 3 less assists."
That's a pretty big difference to me, lol
52:55 It starts off awkward in retrospect, then only goes downhill
Bill swears hes a doctor. The amount of times ive heard him say “well this guy is much better but i dont trust him to stay healthy”
He just stated a fact.
NBA Executive of the Year named after LeGM 😂
Bruh
Yes, trading a bunch of useful players for a 50 million a year low IQ diminished athleticism player and completely hamstringing all contention possibilities for years is his crowning achievement.
@@LaskInHD “Siri, define sarcasm.”
@@mattfig4676 siri define youre not funny
@@LukaLegend77 Siri, find me a butthurt Queen James stan. Oh hi Zach 👋🏼
It’s time we ease up on players and there contracts, what are they really supposed to do turn down 250 million? It’s time we start ranking “The worst contract giving teams” and start pointing the finger at the franchises giving out these terrible deals.
Bill's rant at the beginning reminds me of a old man angry because teenagers record themselves dancing on tiktok.
Playoff MVP will probably be Lebron’s. For the most outstanding player throughout the entire playoffs. Whereas Finals MVP is only for the finals
Dude stop it lol
For the carry jobs indeed
Bro 100 million from Spotify and you get an old Imac webcam
Daily reminder the Celtics could have kept Bane but chose Pritchard.
Every team in the NBA passed on Bane basically
'I don't want to spoil the list by doing a 2 hour video on it'
I think Bill is making a mistake by ranking the players who you would rather have in a trade between the two players. The metric should look at how many teams would rather have one player over the other and then go from there.
Why is Kawhi so low? When he's healthy he's a one man championship (I understand he's not healthy a lot). In regard to basketball, why would Lebron be so much higher than him? Lebron brings people to watch, but I don't think that's what the video is about. If teams had a choice between Kawhi and Lebron TODAY to win a championship, I can't imagine anyone would choose Lebron. Not just about Lebron, though, true for most players. How many players would be chosen over Kawhi to win a championship. I can understand the younger guys on cheap contracts would have a higher trade value, but don't understand Butler, Chris Paul, and most others.
Watch every play Bron takes off, every bad 3, and how he's getting his buckets these days and tell me he's even in the top 70.
Top 20
@@dparks2856 no gm trying to win/keep his job would sacrifice an all-star or depth and picks for Bron right now. He's basically surviving on open looks in the lane and legacy calls at this point.
@@holstorrsceadus1990
Lol... no shit Sherlock.. what player would bring back anything in value in year 20?? Kobe or Dirk not at all and not MJ in year 14 or 15
@@dparks2856 so how is he top 20 then? Dude has zero trade value. You need to use the sarcasm font if you're just being silly.
@@holstorrsceadus1990
I never said he had trade value. No player in nba history has trade value in year 20
Defining Bam moment: when he blocked Tatum in the eastern conference semis
I’d trade an unprotected first for Randle if I’m a contender and just need a third option. 23/9/4 while nearly 47% from the field.
The MJ MVP trophy is awesome 💯🔥
Luka probably doesn't drink sweet tea. As a lifelong Texan I can inform you that tea in Texas is served unsweetened and you have the option to sweeten it with real sugar or artificial sweetener as you like. When I moved to North Carolina I found out that tea was always served sweetened and it was a pretty big surprise to me. Since Luka is in Dallas he would have to sweeten the tea himself.
Cool.
What a dweeb. Tea-splaining us now? I've seen it all
Giddey over green??
Wiggins slighted or did I miss it?
#52
House pointing out that if Bol Bol was playing in France teams would be tanking for him.
House is right on Mobely
Man i couldn't agree more about naming trophies. Are they gonna start naming All-NBA teams? The Lebron James First Team All NBA award.
- Philly could have drafted him
- Who did they take instead?
- Mikal Bridges…
I died 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Michael Porter Jr. was also still available at that point in the draft too…lol 🤦🏽♂️
Well... He had a history with his back already, that's why he felt out of top-5
Couldn't get past the first 2 seconds when House did that gross lip-lick, but cool content Bill!
Bill, we need timestamps bc I ain't watching all of this...
Right cause scrolling through Twitter or Instagram is a more useful way to spend your important time
bum
dang what did he do to you lol
@@LukaLegend77 why yall so savage to this man lol
@@LaskInHD or maybe I don't want to hear House talk about his Wizards.
Jordan Clarkson above Tyrese Maxey. Lol
That one is bizarre. The most Utah would get for clarkson is an expiring contract and a highly protected first. Philly would get a massive haul of draft picks if for some reason they decided to move Maxey
Is there a Wilt award? Maybe one for scoring, in more than 1 way 🥰
Ayooooo ✌🏿
About to be 2023 and yall got 480p
Feel like Bill is forgetting Trae is only like 23 lol
If Bob Meyers to the Lakers was a possibility and the Lakers didn't immediately pay him whatever he wanted as a Lakers fan I would be so upset.
He’s not going anywhere he’s just dangling himself out there to maybe start a bidding war. Same thing players do. Same thing Charles barely just did with LIV golf
LeBron w Jimmy makes sense. Tough to compare Bron to young players bc HOU etc are not in a win now role, but comparing Bron to players on playoff teams is more fair. You want Bron or Jimmy? Bron or Kawaii? Bron or Mikal?
I’m sorry but Gobert just sucks doesn’t impact winning and can’t guard anyone in the playoffs when it really matters. If he switches on to anyone that isn’t a center on the wing they are almost guaranteed to score. The dude just straight up sucks but you nerd love him no no reason
First it was TrADe AD and now it’s lebron isn’t a better trade asset than mikal bridges 😭😂😂 bill a real delusional laker hater
lmao that was sooo absurd, phoenix would trade bridges in a heart beat for lebron.
@@mimeblood4 fr he hates lebron ruined the Celtics making more finals lmfao
Franz Wagner 🏀🔥🙌
Everybody gets a trophy you get a trophy and you get a trophy 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hit the over on the magic!!!!
Fox and Brunson in the same tier as Jarrett Allen lol
Poole gets paid 30 mil a year? Wtf. Bob Myers dropped the ball hard there. He's good but not 30 mil a year good. Not even close. Look at a similar player for instance jordan Clarkson. Similar roles and style of play. Clarkson gets paid a fourth of pooles salary. He's been grossly overpaid
well ja isnt untouchable, because if any of the top 5 players in your list were offered for him, hed be gone, I dont think that would happen the other way around
Bol Bol is the truth.
Simmons overrates offense and discounts defense, even more than the other media people.
Seriously, he had Jrue Holiday in the top 20, and Evan Mobley at 9 or whatever. No other media person would say Jrue Holiday should be that high. But, I agree he should be that high because he is a legit lockdown perimeter defender. Holiday isn’t that high because he gets buckets…
Drunk House!!!!!!!