Once again I'm here with one request, one plea, one desperate call for action. By the power of all that's holy. PLEASE. DEAR GOD. PUT. THE BLOODSWORN SAGA. IN CORRECT ORDER!
Mathias, I think we need to start a coalition devoted to this issue. We'll call it The Bloodsworn Swap Alliance. We can recruit other viewers into the organization, and we will eventually pressure them into switching them. Our slogan can be: "Swap the Saga!"
As a writer myself, I think it should be "life of the author + 25 years" so your descendants have time to do something with it, and if not then it goes public within a generation for new creatives to built upon it.
Completely disagree. Patents allow the creators of inventions a monopoly on their creation for 20 years. Period. After that it’s public domain and this allows competition to flourish. By taking our culture and making it a 95-150 year wait you’re destroying the culture of generations of people. 20 years is more than enough time to have a monopoly on your fictional world. After that others should be able to come in and participate in the world you’ve made. That’s how culture works. That’s how Hercules was written. That’s how Odysseus was written. Generations of different people retelling and contributing to the story. You’re a part of a broader cultural landscape. Once you share your stories with someone else and they fall in love with it it becomes a part of their culture and identity too. You have no right to monopolize that forever. Make your profit, then once your 20 year window is over - you don’t suddenly lose the right to your work - you just now have to compete against others who want to evolve it in another direction. That’s how we keep culture free and not stagnant like the BS Disney is forcing on us now. I can’t even IMAGINE the quality of games/shows/movies we could have had in the Star Wars universe if Disney hadn’t bribed their way into extending copyright for over a century. They robbed us of our cultural heritage - OUR cultural stories for billions in profit. Life of the author plus 25 years for descendants is a spit in the face of everyone who loves your work and wants to see the worlds you’ve created evolve.
@@MildlyAutisticApe Agree to disagree. Copyright forces creativity. If you like an IP but cannot use directly you’re encouraged to use it as inspiration for your own thing, not simply an extension of somebody else’s work. Many successful technically original works were inspired by known IPs, the worst example is the Fifty Shades Trilogy. So no, you dont need public dominion to create, that’s what imagination is for.
I think the reason the Winnie the Pooh slasher movie exists at all is because of the public domain drought. Almost a full century has passed since we stopped having a stable flow into the public domain, so we as a society have lost the guidelines for behavior on this sort of thing. That’s why one of the first things the public did with Winnie the Pooh is go full extreme opposite of the actual message and goal of the property. If we renormalize entry into the public domain, we’ll still get the dumb shock value stuff, but it’ll be drowned out by the people who actually plan for the proper development of artistic value of the property
Agreed. Also i think people are so sick of disney hoarding copyright specifically that they were frothing at the chance to 'get revenge' in a way. Opportunity doesnt come along very often to mess with big IPS, EVEN if you're a director in the film industry.
I think that Public Domain ironically helps people be more creative. It gives a great pool of ideas to pull from and if people can take those ideas and put a spin on it, or from a different angle, I think that environment just breeds NEW ideas
Different time periods for patents and copyrights makes perfect sense to me. If you come up with drugs that cure a disease, that's allowing a monopoly on a life saving drug. Keep that monopoly short. If you write a story with a hopeful message that inspires readers to change their lives, that's great, too. But, there isn't just one story that will inspire people to change. On the other hand, there may only be one way to prompt an effective immune system response to a disease.
About 2 years ago around this time of year, I took a break after self-publishing my 8th of 11 Adult Sci-fi Novels to begin a writing exercise, which consisted of me pulling z-level, barely even heard of super-heroes and super-villains from the public domain to write a Super Hero Team novel called “THE SUPER LEAGUE”. From what began as a joke turned into this cool, nearly four hundred page long super-hero epic that had heavy Kingdom Come, Batman: Year One, and Watchmen vibes. I haven’t published it yet though, which I plan on doing some time on Amazon, but the whole project really made me appreciate the public domain. The perfect writing exercise when you’re in a creative rut. 👌
Austin I would like to challenge you to a race, I think I can finish all 14 wheel of time books (audiobooks at nominal speed) faster than you can read the fires of heaven. We both start when you FINALLY release your Shadow Rising video, and if I win you have to read Lord of Chaos and release the video in 2 weeks if you win I will read all of Red Rising?
I've never been one for podcasts, but you guys somehow make every topic interesting. It's clear that you put a lot of research and effort into every video. Thanks for the laughs & great content!
Disney protecting the little guy with extending copyright law is the most laughable thing. Extension of it has majorly affected bigger franchises more than the smaller ones. I personally think life + 20 would be best tbh
I don't know that I can agree with you that technology is more important to humanity than stories. At best, they're of equal value, but an argument can be made that stories came first and are more crucial to who we are. Without stories, humanity dies even if all of us are still alive. Great discussion!
I don't know anything about copyright law but my logic follows thusly: If an original creator's work enters public domain sooner then more people can iterate on the IP and add value to it. Assuming the originator(or estate) could still retain all the benefits of the original work then I would imagine the value from iterative/derivative works would bring people to the original work as well, ultimately being a net benefit to all parties.
This debate also often comes up in the music sphere. It's impossible to discuss music on any platform, due to instant Content ID claims. People who teach/critique music (which mostly falls under fair use) still are affected by this, simply due to the automatic system of it all. It's clear the copyright laws were made before the digital age. Another major point of content that exists with copyright and the digital platforms is intent. Copyright was originally intended as a protection of the artist/copyright holder. If someone COPIED their art and claimed it as their own they should be rightfully sued, that's how it's protecting. However, when someone on RUclips for instance does an analysis of a song it doesn't make any sense. That analysis is NOT something that "competes" with the original, it's not something where it has a negative financial effect on the copyright holder, more than likely it's slightly beneficial. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Even when it's used as sort some of background music for a video, it's not like the people who own the music is loosing their own traffic to that video? Another area where this is clearly insane, is the whole "streaming in public". Streamers CONSTANTLY have to be scared of going somewhere in public with any hint of music, as it could lead to a strike. Why? It's ridiculous.
Copyright and Patents incentivize creativity and innovation by allowing the creators to use the government as bouncers to monopolize fruits of the creator for limited time. Trademark is actually for the benefit of the consumer and the holder. If I see McDonald’s arches on a building, then I know the quality product I’m getting there and can easily trace the product back to the maker (if there is a defect). You can imagine the confusion by consumers if just anyone could sell a brown liquid in a bottle with the word Coke on it, styled the same way.
Thought that popped into my head while researching Pride and Prejudice adaptations. One BIG benefit to the consumer is we've caught on to IP hoarding, and the whole capitalist keep them starved thing. If, like, the 41st robin hood movie comes out, you go see it PURELY because you want to. Maybe because it looks good. And ideally, because ANY studio can pile on, competiton and rights holding isnt really a good enough reason to do it. They (ideally but any film can crash and burn) make another of whatever long running well worn theatre adaptation because they care about that story, because they have something to add. But when, like, Amazing Spiderman 2 comes out and its shoved with villains (or even when No Way Home does it well and it still has Sony Desparetly Wants To Rush Sinister Six vibes all over it) you can just feel from a mile away that they made it out of rights obligation. One big benefit to public domain is all the familiarity "oh another alice in wonderland, i wonder what they'll do with it this time" and none of the "oh great another lion king adaptation by disney. This is how they sue people when og lion king goes into public domain isnt it? Plagiarise yourself with a soulless 'fresh' copy and sue people for copying the copy..
That first minute 🤣 unironically I would like to watch it too 🤭 I've once seen an image of everything Disney owns and it is truly terrifying. I know we laugh about "they own our soul" but like...why 🤣🤣🤣 why do they own so much????
Once again I'm here with one request, one plea, one desperate call for action. By the power of all that's holy. PLEASE. DEAR GOD. PUT. THE BLOODSWORN SAGA. IN CORRECT ORDER!
;)
Mathias, I think we need to start a coalition devoted to this issue. We'll call it The Bloodsworn Swap Alliance. We can recruit other viewers into the organization, and we will eventually pressure them into switching them. Our slogan can be: "Swap the Saga!"
@@KALtheHighstorm117Hear hear, and it’ll act democratically to really grind Richard’s gears. Eventually we’ll recruit Mr. Gwynne himself!
@@mathiaspetersen7265 Let the movement begin! The Bloodsworn Swap Alliance is in motion!
As a writer myself, I think it should be "life of the author + 25 years" so your descendants have time to do something with it, and if not then it goes public within a generation for new creatives to built upon it.
Completely disagree. Patents allow the creators of inventions a monopoly on their creation for 20 years. Period. After that it’s public domain and this allows competition to flourish. By taking our culture and making it a 95-150 year wait you’re destroying the culture of generations of people.
20 years is more than enough time to have a monopoly on your fictional world. After that others should be able to come in and participate in the world you’ve made. That’s how culture works. That’s how Hercules was written. That’s how Odysseus was written. Generations of different people retelling and contributing to the story.
You’re a part of a broader cultural landscape. Once you share your stories with someone else and they fall in love with it it becomes a part of their culture and identity too. You have no right to monopolize that forever. Make your profit, then once your 20 year window is over - you don’t suddenly lose the right to your work - you just now have to compete against others who want to evolve it in another direction. That’s how we keep culture free and not stagnant like the BS Disney is forcing on us now.
I can’t even IMAGINE the quality of games/shows/movies we could have had in the Star Wars universe if Disney hadn’t bribed their way into extending copyright for over a century. They robbed us of our cultural heritage - OUR cultural stories for billions in profit. Life of the author plus 25 years for descendants is a spit in the face of everyone who loves your work and wants to see the worlds you’ve created evolve.
@@MildlyAutisticApe Agree to disagree. Copyright forces creativity. If you like an IP but cannot use directly you’re encouraged to use it as inspiration for your own thing, not simply an extension of somebody else’s work. Many successful technically original works were inspired by known IPs, the worst example is the Fifty Shades Trilogy. So no, you dont need public dominion to create, that’s what imagination is for.
I think the reason the Winnie the Pooh slasher movie exists at all is because of the public domain drought. Almost a full century has passed since we stopped having a stable flow into the public domain, so we as a society have lost the guidelines for behavior on this sort of thing. That’s why one of the first things the public did with Winnie the Pooh is go full extreme opposite of the actual message and goal of the property. If we renormalize entry into the public domain, we’ll still get the dumb shock value stuff, but it’ll be drowned out by the people who actually plan for the proper development of artistic value of the property
Agreed. Also i think people are so sick of disney hoarding copyright specifically that they were frothing at the chance to 'get revenge' in a way. Opportunity doesnt come along very often to mess with big IPS, EVEN if you're a director in the film industry.
I think that Public Domain ironically helps people be more creative. It gives a great pool of ideas to pull from and if people can take those ideas and put a spin on it, or from a different angle, I think that environment just breeds NEW ideas
I’m a law student currently writing a comment on copyright for my schools law review. I’m impressed with your prep for this episode.
Great job guys!
Thank you!!
Different time periods for patents and copyrights makes perfect sense to me. If you come up with drugs that cure a disease, that's allowing a monopoly on a life saving drug. Keep that monopoly short. If you write a story with a hopeful message that inspires readers to change their lives, that's great, too. But, there isn't just one story that will inspire people to change. On the other hand, there may only be one way to prompt an effective immune system response to a disease.
About 2 years ago around this time of year, I took a break after self-publishing my 8th of 11 Adult Sci-fi Novels to begin a writing exercise, which consisted of me pulling z-level, barely even heard of super-heroes and super-villains from the public domain to write a Super Hero Team novel called “THE SUPER LEAGUE”. From what began as a joke turned into this cool, nearly four hundred page long super-hero epic that had heavy Kingdom Come, Batman: Year One, and Watchmen vibes. I haven’t published it yet though, which I plan on doing some time on Amazon, but the whole project really made me appreciate the public domain. The perfect writing exercise when you’re in a creative rut. 👌
Thats very cool!
@@2ToRamble Thanks!
Austin I would like to challenge you to a race, I think I can finish all 14 wheel of time books (audiobooks at nominal speed) faster than you can read the fires of heaven.
We both start when you FINALLY release your Shadow Rising video, and if I win you have to read Lord of Chaos and release the video in 2 weeks if you win I will read all of Red Rising?
You guys are getting creative with getting us to release book 4 review 😁😂
This episode should definitely be sponsored by a VPN.
I've never been one for podcasts, but you guys somehow make every topic interesting. It's clear that you put a lot of research and effort into every video. Thanks for the laughs & great content!
Thanks so much!
Did Rich give Austin a compliment? What a wholesome episode😂
2 Things:
1. Richard, you've definetely practiced that incredible Mickey chuckle!
2. Great video about REAL issues for modern lovers.
Thank you man!!
Disney protecting the little guy with extending copyright law is the most laughable thing.
Extension of it has majorly affected bigger franchises more than the smaller ones.
I personally think life + 20 would be best tbh
Another interesting topic! Always fun to see what you'll cover next!
Rich! You're looking slim, my man! Way to go, awesome work!
You guys have become my favourite podcast 🙌🏼 top tier
Damn, thank you!!
I don't know that I can agree with you that technology is more important to humanity than stories. At best, they're of equal value, but an argument can be made that stories came first and are more crucial to who we are. Without stories, humanity dies even if all of us are still alive.
Great discussion!
I think you’re forgetting an author can cryogenically freeze themself and maintain the copyright forever
😂
Austin how are those 3 last Shadow Rising chapters going? 😂
Cyberbullying isn’t okay, Wera 😭
@@2ToRamble 👎🏻
I don't know anything about copyright law but my logic follows thusly: If an original creator's work enters public domain sooner then more people can iterate on the IP and add value to it. Assuming the originator(or estate) could still retain all the benefits of the original work then I would imagine the value from iterative/derivative works would bring people to the original work as well, ultimately being a net benefit to all parties.
This debate also often comes up in the music sphere. It's impossible to discuss music on any platform, due to instant Content ID claims. People who teach/critique music (which mostly falls under fair use) still are affected by this, simply due to the automatic system of it all. It's clear the copyright laws were made before the digital age.
Another major point of content that exists with copyright and the digital platforms is intent. Copyright was originally intended as a protection of the artist/copyright holder. If someone COPIED their art and claimed it as their own they should be rightfully sued, that's how it's protecting. However, when someone on RUclips for instance does an analysis of a song it doesn't make any sense. That analysis is NOT something that "competes" with the original, it's not something where it has a negative financial effect on the copyright holder, more than likely it's slightly beneficial. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Even when it's used as sort some of background music for a video, it's not like the people who own the music is loosing their own traffic to that video? Another area where this is clearly insane, is the whole "streaming in public". Streamers CONSTANTLY have to be scared of going somewhere in public with any hint of music, as it could lead to a strike. Why? It's ridiculous.
Great points!
Great discussion topic!
Btw... I too, would like to see the Mouse fall. 😁
Binging the WoT playlist and it’s been a while since the last review on the Dragon Reborn…any chance of getting book 4 review sometime soon? 👀
Yes. Soon 😁
@@2ToRambleyess. Fingers crossed Austin likes this one better 😊
Copyright and Patents incentivize creativity and innovation by allowing the creators to use the government as bouncers to monopolize fruits of the creator for limited time. Trademark is actually for the benefit of the consumer and the holder. If I see McDonald’s arches on a building, then I know the quality product I’m getting there and can easily trace the product back to the maker (if there is a defect). You can imagine the confusion by consumers if just anyone could sell a brown liquid in a bottle with the word Coke on it, styled the same way.
… also, fun video!
8 AM EST more like 8:02 AM EST. SMH jk let’s goooooo Monday doesn’t start until 2toramble begins rambling
😁😁
Thought that popped into my head while researching Pride and Prejudice adaptations. One BIG benefit to the consumer is we've caught on to IP hoarding, and the whole capitalist keep them starved thing. If, like, the 41st robin hood movie comes out, you go see it PURELY because you want to. Maybe because it looks good. And ideally, because ANY studio can pile on, competiton and rights holding isnt really a good enough reason to do it. They (ideally but any film can crash and burn) make another of whatever long running well worn theatre adaptation because they care about that story, because they have something to add. But when, like, Amazing Spiderman 2 comes out and its shoved with villains (or even when No Way Home does it well and it still has Sony Desparetly Wants To Rush Sinister Six vibes all over it) you can just feel from a mile away that they made it out of rights obligation. One big benefit to public domain is all the familiarity "oh another alice in wonderland, i wonder what they'll do with it this time" and none of the "oh great another lion king adaptation by disney. This is how they sue people when og lion king goes into public domain isnt it? Plagiarise yourself with a soulless 'fresh' copy and sue people for copying the copy..
That “oh i wonder what theyll do with it this time” point - definitely makes sense!
Dear Austin for the love of god please finish Shadow Rising :)
That first minute 🤣 unironically I would like to watch it too 🤭
I've once seen an image of everything Disney owns and it is truly terrifying. I know we laugh about "they own our soul" but like...why 🤣🤣🤣 why do they own so much????
Lol
Austin came in with confidence in this pod due to the fresh cut!
😂😁
Woo another video!
I'm not petting my dog until the WoT review is dropped
I don’t think Austin is enjoying book 4 haha
@@naturalfluency2315 no one's perfect
Right because how else am I going to sell my Austin cosplay packs at a reasonable price when I'm going to get sued? Duh.
This is exactly why we tackle the big issues here at 2ToRamble
This thumbnail is a nightmare 😂
The Will of the Many by James Islington
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Trademarks can also be ridiculous tbf
Oo you think they should be limited?
Bear aspirine?
What beast of a person needs such a dose of aspirin?
Must be a hell of a migrain.🤯
So question… what is your reason for being so obsessed with the LOTR movies? Why do you like the movies specifically?
All I heard was bare-ass-sprin 😂😂😂
😂
I'm here again to beg for the continuation of the wheel of time books. It's been too long
Coming!!
Come on Austin stop fooling around and finish reading The Shadow Rising already 😠
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