Personally, I never hope Doctor Who goes down the root of a full reboot. Part of the charm of the show is that it’s able to regenerate itself (pun definitely intended) into something new while still keeping strong ties to what’s come before it. This is why I thought RTD’s first run worked well, it still made itself a sequel to the Classic run and the TV Movie but didn’t force you to watch it beforehand, if anything it makes people more interested in what came before it. Timeskips and soft reboots are fine in my book but I think the show would loose what makes it special if a full on reboot came to be.
I like the soft reboots Doctor Who has done throughout the years. The episodes in the middle of the series that are like "you can start watching here if you want and not get confused." I like Capaldi's third season with Bill because it's a bit of a soft reboot.
I totally agree, they can keep the show going and ignore any continuity stuff they don’t like because the show is so dang old that it doesn’t matter much (e.g. the Doctor being half human, the Doctor being the timeless child, etc)
Even without Chinballs it's profoundly idiotic idea! Doctor Who is already a soft cannon show, nothing is stopping a writer from doing their own thing completely! Going to a new universe would be just a dumb gimmick and nothing more!
@@PickyPaige I think it would've been a cool idea. Imagine getting to see the after effects of past doctor who episodes with different outcomes. Imagine what Doctor Who would look like if the Doctor succeeded in Genesis of the Daleks. Could've have aloud us to see more Doctor Who Unbound ideas.
@@brewster_4 It makes it seem like you're bored with the show, because how would it be different than if we had a season of all new villains and all new concepts and characters and no callbacks whatsoever?
If only someone else was the timeless child, then we could make a new show with them as the main character, with the Doctor helping out in the first episode or the first episode is in Doctor who, to tie the two continuities together.
I was certain that the Master was going to be the TC, because in 1 stroke it explains his singular importance to the Time Lord's, and gives his malice a compelling motive - to go back and UNdo everything he did for the Division.
@@winternow2242it would make sense but also at one time the Master was gonna be their weapon in the war and I don’t think it makes sense to do that to the original holder of the TC gene, even if the Doctor after the creation of the Time Lords isn’t really that different from others
This is why i love the divergent universe arc from the 8th doctors early big finish stories. Having a companion from another universe in c’rizz was also cool
However, the divergent universe was remarkably similar to our universe. Despite the fact that it was supposed to be full of all the stuff Rassilon thought was too weird to remain in our universe.
I view each new Doctor as a soft reboot really. We get a new main character and the tone often changes to match, and a lot of the time we get a brand new Doctor, TARDIS, Sonic Screwdriver, companion, new writers, and the Daleks and Cybermen get new designs too. A full scale reboot just wouldn't be necessary, unless they REALLY fumble the continuity.
A reboot could have worked. If the story leading to it had been any expansive swan song of everything that came before. We didnt get that. We got a mess of a story that was absolutely painful to endure.
No it wouldn't have worked, you think people were pisses by the retcon of the timeless child, it would seem like nothing compared to fury of being told that everything that came before the first series in this new universe, is essentially non canon anymore!
True but they'd have to relate this back in somehow with the latest galaxy event such as the Pandorica which would mean 12 would be in that universe too
Why do you all think RTD, Moffat & Chibnall are enemies? same with Tennant & Whittaker? they’re mates and respect each other. Russell isn’t up his own backside, unlike the fandom.
Personally, I think everything post Hartnell is a huge misstep. I preferred it when Doctor Who was more educational than bug eyed monsters. In case you were wondering, that was sarcasm.
@@tokublwhovian I don't care if they're mates. I just believe that the chibnall era was shite. And to make absolutely clear: this is not Whittakers fault: she got the preachy shit scripts that chibnall provided.
The thing is, the Doctor hasn't actually explored the whole universe. Most of the stories except when explicitly stated happen in the Mutter's Spiral galaxy, known to us as the Milky Way. That's where Earth, Gallifrey, Skaro, Mondas, Telos, and Sontar are, along with others I'm probably forgetting. Thirteen's first season had a couple occasions where she's out of her familiar galactic territory and exploring the universe proper-out of her depth and loving it. But people complained.
The only reboot that's necessary is a reboot of the Timeless Child story. It would make much more sense for the TC to be the Master, who has always wanted to live forever. It would give so much more depth to the Master's insanity and evil. That deep down, they know something was taken from them. And it would be an actually compelling reason for the Master to suddenly flip from siding-ish with the Doctor to being an evil person again.
So the orphan traumatized child must be an insane mass murdering psychopath? What a good message to send to kids being abused and living in care. "You're an orphan and traumatized? You'll grow up to be an abuser too!"
Either reboot completely, or don't. I honestly don't see the point in a "reboot" in which all the old toys are transported into a "new Universe". It's no longer "new", then, is it?
Since they NEVER explained to my satisfaction WHY the TARDIS threw out the 13th Doctor after regeneration, I was hoping it would have something to do with the TARDIS having actually shifted through to another universe and that everyone in Series 11 onward was an alternate reality version, not the real thing. This would have explained the "Fugitive" Doctor better and the Timeless BS. I had hoped FLUX would reveal that this entire time we've not been in the Prime Universe anymore.
The multiverse fascinates, but I'm glad it hasn't been explored in this era, maybe with Ncuti we could see the multiverse who knows. I wouldn't set a single season in a parallel universe though, I'd do something more drastic. I'd have someone tamper with the Tardis. It doesn't have to be a villain, it can even be a friend trying to help The Doctor, but it has to be someone we as an audience don't know or know little about. I'd have this character unintentionally give the Tardis a power burst, but also cause momentary instability that would cause The Doctor to sometimes travel through the Multiverse. So that the Multiverse could be explored in a few episodes without leaving the main one. I can already imagine The Doctor finding themselves in one of these multiverses, helping an alien race, only to find out later that those are the Daleks of that universe and that in this universe the Daleks are a Pacific race.
9:54 it might not be that obvious to you because you’re British but actually it only tethers itself to Britain, not Earth. We rarely go outside the UK and especially in the historical episodes (at least in Modern Who), it almost exclusively takes place in Britain with only Chibnall recently showing other places in the historical episodes. I mean, out of my head I can already think of several interesting eras from my native German history: the Weimar Republic, Martin Luther‘s fight against the Catholic Church, Arminius fighting the Romans, Georg Forster traveling with Captain James Cook writing about indigenous peoples in an unbiased way, East Germany…there are a lot of eras there. But instead the only era is Nazi Germany (which is of course very important to remember! But a bit of variety would be appreciated).
I get it's because international filming is harder, but it really makes no sense that companions join the TARDIS and don't ask to travel around Earth. The universe is cool and all, but human companions would have a million places they've always wanted to go but couldn't afford to. After the novelty of time and space travel wears off, I'd be saying Grand Canyon, Amazon Rainforest, Niagra Falls, Thailand, India, Tokyo, you can literally plonk the TARDIS down on the top of Mount Everest. Though it's implied a lot of that takes place offscreen. They were on a trip in Kyoto before the events of Bad Wolf. Still, no British companion is going to ask to hang around Britain. We have a rich history sure, but Italy, Greece and China are the real hotspots for historical travel.
It would be funny if the Doctor crossed over to the other universe and the Tardis was externally massive but inside was absolutely tiny. I think that when David Tennant regenerates into Ncuti Gatwa there is a schism that splits the Doctor with Ncuti Gatwa remaining in this universe and Tennant propelled into the other one, both unaware of what's happened. They could run both shows at the same time and we'd get double the Doctor.
Chibnall’s run is full of missed opportunities, because he writes characters and ideas in solely for their plot reason. He puts in ideas, and never thinks about how he could use them in the future, or how he could reuse past ideas to fulfil the same purpose as this new idea. He destroyed the time lords because it would be a good shock. He killed Tecteun because that would be a good shock. He always introduced way too many side characters to a story instead of using the ones he had in the tardis crew. He just doesn’t seem to realize that developing on established ideas is a lot more emotionally impactful than introducing new ones.
I'd love to see a series or episode/s where we see characters we knew, but events didn't play out the same. The 9th doctor met Martha first Martha, then rose was the rebound and joins unit. Amy was the impossible girl and Rory and Clara married and got stuck, or even didn't The master is a genuinely good person and they're tasked to stop the doctor who's gone rouge. And that's just a few ideas. The problem I had with the timeless child arc, was less to do with rewriting history and more that if you're gonna do something that radical and game changing, do something worthwhile with it
It's a neat idea toyed with in Big Finish's Divergent Universe arc. It's neat but ultimately doesn't feel good unless you really make the universe feel fleshed out.
Remember in *The Runaway Bride* when we saw the Racnoss, and the Doctor explains that they are from the early universe, a wilder time? Their species relied on an element that didn't exist anymore. I imagine a different universe would be like that--took a different path in the wild times and now they have magic or whatever.
It's an interesting idea. it's a bit like what Stargate did going from SG1 to Atlantis. With Doctor Who though, having no returns to Earth would be a big departure. I think, perhaps, a whole season where a massive change has been made in the past and then deadlocked, changing the present and future making so that Earth can be an alternate version.
The show kind of reboots itself with every new doctor. A full reboot could only be done if it's a seperate show, such as an American adaption, which I don't doubt would fail.
yeah this sounds like what Big Finish wanted to do with the 8th Doctor after "ZAGREUS" but changed their plans once the 9th Doctor/Modern Series took off.
I find myself both hating and loving ideas from this vid. I think they should bring in new universes, as there is clearly a place for that, but do it in a Rick and Morty, comic book style. I also think it would be abundant in ways to rid us of the timeless child bollocks, which would be massively appreciated.
Why are people so into the idea of a complete reboot? For me part of the reason why I love Doctor Who is how it feels like a living breathing universe because of the now 60 years of continuous storytelling! There aren't many franchises, who can claim to have been going for so long and still be in the same canon timeline! Off the top of my head the only other show that I am very familiar with that does that is Power Rangers and that is only half the runtime at 30 years and is getting rebooted! Why ruin that? Doctor Who is already such a flexible show that nothing is stopping a showrunner from doing a completely self contained era, where no old foes, and no old characters are ever mentioned, hell that's how Chibnall started, and it was boring! You don't have to completely reboot the show to get a clean slate, so doing it would be just a dumb gimmick!
It's stupid that people keep bringing it up. I think most people just hate the Timeless Child Twist and want a fresh start, but if RTD literally just ignores it completely the rest of the audience will do the same and chalk it up to some weird alternate timeline like people do with a lot of expanded universe stuff. It's certainly not the first time the show has done this, cough, half human Doctor, cough. And despite my issues with the twist, it really doesn't break the show as much as everyone says.
I would have liked to see a universe with I don't know, the same old Dalek design with a different name and characteristics. Loss of recognition yes, but loss of a lot of baggage in real life too.
In my opinion, I think it was a huge missed opportunity. I wouldn't necessarily call this concept a reboot, just a migration to new setting. The writers would have had a whole new universe, a blank canvas. The 60th could have even been crafted to tease and supplement the new universe. The Toymaker(?) forcing 10's face and plop him with nuniverse Donna who may not even know him and then we are left with all the questions and anticipation. Or alternatively, 13 could regenerate into Gwata and has a crossover with nuniverse Donna and 10. At the very least, it felt like the next logical progression to the Flux destroying like 90% of our universe which feels so limiting and constricting in storytelling. Finally, this new universe doesn't erase everything everyone has loved. It all still exists within the Doctor's life, but now we can have a fresh, new horizon
@@PickyPaige except in a universe with a LONG history of lore, there isn't a blank canvas. The writers are still semi-constricted by what they can say and do lest they face backlash, i.e. the Timeless Child story. So no, they do not have a blank canvas, whereas a whole new universe could literally be anything. An Earth with Silurians or even dinosaurs still running around? Peaceful Daleks? A whole Master-esque Timelords? Up is down and down is left? Literally anything in a new universe
This is where I thought Chibnall was headed in Flux, considering the backlash after The Timeless Child. Not so much a reboot, but rather an expansion, opening Who up to the multiverse, the way the MCU has, and reveal that the timeless child (and Jo Martin's Doctor) were from another universe. The reason Jodie could share/view the timeless child's memories were because the flux was eating away at all universes, breaking down the walls between them. It could offer such interesting story ideas, like an evil version of the Doctor for example (much like the first series of Loki). Imagine that, the Doctor's greatest enemy -- herself! It would have achieved what he set out to do: reintroduce some mystery back into the Doctor's origin -- or this case, origins. Though if he did that after introducing the first black doctor, he would have been called out for retconning by both sides of the political aisle. He definitely wrote himself into a corner.
I think the whole idea of other universes could have been the way to fix the issue with the Timeless Children. What if the 13th Doctor, fresh from regeneration didn't just fall to Earth, but somehow ended up in another universe that was extremely similar to n-space's history. Or just something like that, of course, it would be a very delicate process to plan something out like that, but at least it would be somewhat of an interesting idea to do, and it would've not messed with the show's continuity to a drastic point.
I have to say I really love the first half of the video of yours. I was finally enthralled with the fact that someone else finally got what I've been thinking all along! I absolutely love the timeless child introduction and aspects. I thought it gave much greater enriched history of Doctor Who as well as strengthened the storyline in much greater insight. Doctor Who was never meant to remain static it was to evolve, change, grow and strengthen. And then you had to bring in the opposite opinion! and I was totally disagreeing! Besides there is only so much knowledge and places in our universe the Doctor Who could now and it seemed like he had reached its zenith knowing everything about this universe! It was so much more possibility of enrichment like you mentioned the different laws of physics to explore with different places abd new aliens and enemies to explore! Everything completely new and refreshed. Instead we're now bringing back old aliens and enemies again such as the celestial Toymaker, etc And then you had to hit about familiarity with the Earth etc. and I instantly thought What about the all and the whole earth? what if it was dragged in to the universe with the doctor. And now the doctor having to deal with the struggles, new enemies New aliens and a whole new set of laws and physics! And now the Doctor Not knowing absolutely everything but discovering everything anew! Not only does the doctor have his familiarity with Earth And having to protect it but all of humanity as well as the doctor dealing with the whole universe. And that would be an awesome...
I actually thought at one point that Flux was going to be to Doctor Who what Crisis on Infinite Earths was to DC comics. I think the show has become one that takes the least interesting path in regards to ideas, along the lines of the early years of Smallville (I don't know what the later years were like, I'd stopped watching.) I would love to be proved wrong in the future but I think the second run of Doctor Who is now doomed to a boring formula. Our current doctor is now a previous one, the showrunner a previous one, imo the show has become stuck, I look forward to it becoming free again one day. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think the show needs a rest until someone has an idea to reinvent it.
I like the idea of a series, or a few episode long arc (like the espace arc in season 18), in a different universe. I'd want it to do stuff that couldn't be done in the main universe though. Edit: Wow, Harbo just said the same thing. Wrote this comment before finishing the video, and I pretty much agree.
calendar a bit prematurely ahead in the background there? xD or was this recorded in October and you travelled back in time to post it in September? ;)
I don't think that it counts as a missed opportunity unless you also count e-space as a missed opportunity, or pete's world (even though that has been explored through expanded media). there are implied to be multiple universes in the dr who 'universe' and exploring even one would result in oversaturation. it simply would not be as interesting of a concept if it was explored, given concrete rules, et cetera, especially if we're talking about the timeless child's original universe because the whole point of that is the mystery. ignoring how the timeless child concept was poorly explored, partially due to the fact that flux had an episode cut and the story couldn't be altered much to work around that, partially due to trying to explore the doctor's origins being a narrative mistake and partially due to the concepts used not working terribly well within the greater 'narrative' of the doctor, having the timeless child's original universe explored would be a mistake. this is for the same reasons that trying to explore the doctor's origins is a mistake; it removes the fundamental intrigue. meanwhile, I believe that tecteun wanting to escape into a new universe is meant to be something we do not want. it is meant to be her choosing something bad. it's not meant to be explored. she, alongside division, have used their own universe, ignoring the countless lives and worlds within it, as a petri dish, essentially, and if they move onto a new universe what's stopping them from doing the exact same thing? it is meant to be unexplored, it is not meant to go any further than that narratively because that universe represents the continued cycle of evil, or malicious ignorance of consequences at the very least, that tecteun, division, and the timeless child story are a part of. sure, that universe could have some really interesting use as a setting, but because of what I just said and the fact that it does represent a temptation for the doctor to turn 'evil', much in the same way that the time lord victorious worked; the opportunity to be an actual god rather than a simple being elevated to a godlike status due to their actions, with the ability to fix everything that they deem wrong and prevent injustices and everything the doctor wants to do, but now warped due to the fact that this gives them a horrific amount of control over every single atom, every single thing in that universe. it would remove the good from those actions, it would remove the motivation to do those actions, and it would be detrimental to the doctor to take that temptation. tecteun is manipulating the doctor, which is an action that fits with her abusive parental role; something I don't know if I can explain it further very well, I'm just aware her actions are very much like what my mother has done and continues to do. by refusing to discover her origins, however, the doctor is reclaiming their individuality as a singular being and refusing to become that godlike figure, rejecting this new universe which represents in a way the very original status quo, which I think is a fascinating inversion of the 'character rejects evil power asking them to return the world to the status quo via a corrupting agent' trope. I do think dr who as a show should explore alternate universes a bit more often in the main show, without it being too big of a deal. of course it would only really be possible with the show's 'higher beings', like the time lords, eternals, logopolitans, et cetera, being able to do it or facilitate it (so it doesn't lose the intrigue and become normalised, which imo would be a bad narrative choice), but being able to explore a whole different reality would open up some very interesting paths for the show to explore on occasion. and technically speaking, dr who exists in an alternate universe to ours after all!
That reboot sounds awful. Seriously, go back and listen to that Flux/Timeless child recap. That is a horrible premise for a reboot or even more Doctor Wno episodes.
Now this is a big idea I don’t think I would agree but doctor who has already done this in the 8th doctor divergent universe arc now I really like how this was done because while this was going on in the main universe big finish continued the story with spin offs like dalek empire cyberman and Gallifrey continuing the story
The problem is as long as the Timeless Child is still in the background of our minds and the show, people can never really forget the devastation it has done to the show and all those decades of history. It was Chibnall trying to put his stamp on a classic work, but instead all he did was put a big muddy boot print on a once beautiful painting. I generally think the show might be okay while Tennant is around in the show, but once the new guy gets in RTD is going to go back and start adding in things that is going to annoy the audience, from what I heard from interviews I don't like what is coming up. So much of it sends like the politics that really dampened the later season of Moffatt run and killed Chibnall. I don't think RTD can save the show, the BBC won't allow him, they still want bang on your head politics.
Are we fans of the same show? Nu-Who was always kind of woke, and the "other" show that RTD was known for back then was Queer as folk. The problem with the Chibs era isn't the so called wokeness, it's the fucking terrible writting. Give me that good old sense of fun and adventure and they can make the Doctor gay for all I care.
@@merluzacongelada5361 Nu-who Season 1-6 were light on it and did not smash the "message" into your face. They also did not call people who might have a differing opinion 'evil' and 'bad'. We never would have got that Trump Spider episode in the old Nu-who for example. What is more hilarious is that in that episode the Trump stand in was in the right about the spiders and was the only one to put the spiders out of their misery quickly. Dr and her 'Gang' (I really hate that word being used-Gang) just wanted to let them starve-cannibalise and the suffocate from lack of Oxygen. Which just shows they can't even do hit jobs properly in their show. We also back then did not have all the cast and crew in every interview repeating the same now copy and paste phrases ' inclusion, telling a message, modern audience'. Now we do, and it does drain on the show. Your right the horrible writing is what is killing the show, but the fact that politics are now being pushed front and centre too is not helping either, especially when it's done in a way where you clearly see they think the other side are all evil and bad. And a lot of the bad writing choices come about due to need a need of theirs to shovel in politics into every story for some reason. They made the poor writing political. I mean for example having episodes criticising capitalism and corporations, while the BBC also is a greedy corporation and uses capitalism as well. In fact has a licence fee to force people to pay the BBC to watch a TV even if it's not BBC, is very double standards in my opinion. I had no problem with a Woman Doctor or a gay Doctor, My problem is when that is the only 'trait' the character even has as their one feature. I mean Bill for example nearly her whole storyline and character was 'I'm Gay'. Unlike Jack Harness who was a fun character with a good character arc and a very wide and interesting personality. I'm sorry but these days nothing in Dr Who gets written just for fun and adventure, for some reason now the BBC demands everything has politics in it front and centre. Even if it will be toxic to the show long term. Timeless Child should never been allowed out of the writing room. People may say,' If you don't like the show, then don't watch it'' normally I would agree but not this time. Since my household is forced to pay for the BBC and so I do think I have a right to complain about the show then. And the BBC is one of the last places to lecture people about morals or standards, two names alone proves my point 'Jimmy Savile and Garry glitter'. I'm a very centre of the road person in terms of politics overall, and I can let many things slide, but Dr Who has now reached a point where you just can't.
@@BeckyBookClubMainAm I not allowed to give my opinion? 🤔 you don’t have to agree, but there’s no need to be an ass. That doesn’t surprise me anyway, we’re in a fandom that shape their lives around a fictional television show for kids. I thought you lot believed in “free speech”? 🤷🏻♂️ I guess not.
It would have been awful, the writers wouldn't have had earth to fall back on and after new poorly written aliens failed to pull in viewers they would have done the same thing Chibnall did, bringing back old faces and suddenly go back to the original universe.
i enjoyed this video much more than your recent videos... idk, I've been getting kinda bored of your videos, which has been surprising, but this one I value muchly. now that I think about it, much as I love Flux, I hate that Chibnall whittled down the major threats of the universe to Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans... like, that makes the universe so so so much smaller :(
What you call a "missed opportunity", I call "double tapping", cause if the Timeless Children managed to only injure Doctor Who and that is still debatable, rebooting it in a "new" universe surely would have finished the job!
Or hey! Maybe a universe where the Doctor is an ordinary male Gallifreyan Timelord who ran away in a Type 40 time capsule. Far-fetched I know! Weird how Tectayun literally tortured a child to death over and over again to discover regeneration and no one seems to think that was wrong? But yeah, more women in STEM!
Imagine living in a universe with a misogynistic brain damaged person like you who gets pissed at sci-fi writers when they turn the face-changing alien into a woman and give her a bad backstory. You think Chris Chinball wrote this with you in mind, buddy?
Here's an idea: spinoff. Have whatshername (didn't see that season) go into the other universe, give her a show of her own and have her explore this new universe. You'd have unique beings and variations on things in the regular universe, becoming that universe's version of the Doctor: starting out as an explorer but fate turning her into a defender of the innocent. It's a new series but with ties to the something we already know. It works for Big Finish and fan projects. You don't have to toss out years of history, kill off beloved one-shot and regular characters with the end of the universe, and still get something new yet familiar.
maybe the new universe ,if that happened ,love and monsters you wouldnt think about that anymore,still would be a bad idea ,what could have been ,what if survivors of the flux created a new universe
Great idea, I'm sure it was explored in the "Wilderness Years" of the 1990s and early 2000's in other media/books. There's too much negativity in Doctor Who online fandom in some ways, for my tastes anyway. It's nice to encounter someone not finding virtually everything the show does disagreeable.
The other universe is a great idea. Other ideas in the way Doctor Who works for a season or two should be explored too. I had an idea that when 13 regenerated a being took control of their regeneration, to harness it's energy and rebuild Gallifrey. There could have been various media on how it rippled back to previous Doctors who tried to come and stop this being and 14 when up against it but ultimately lost and the Doctor was, as 15, put back on Gallifrey with no memory. He'd be working and living alongside characters like Romana and the Master and even a family. They'd work as Time Lords agent, under this being's commands, interfering in history, the Doctor comes across things from his past that spark memories and make him question what is happening. By the end of the season he has to escape Gallifrey and does so with his grand daughter! So it would act like a soft reboot but also play on the history of the show.
Why wouldn't there be an Earth in that universe? As we know earth is in other universe's! And the Doctor isn't in our world, its a world similar to ours but not our world lol #actulylol
This reminds me of that theory following Series 12 that Thirteen had fallen into another universe following her regeneration where Ruth was the native Doctor and Thirteen had just bungled into their drama with the Spy Master. Could have been interesting then if Thirteen was trying to save this universe from the Flux while using Division's resources to get back to N-Space.
The story that Dr. Who was not Galifreyan but an Immortal being . A crude and crass way to extend the possible series with the 13 incarnations having been burned thru . It was the producers that cooked off incarnation every season so they could finally go on to something easier to scoop cash with . When the fandom [massive as it is] said N O we will stop watching anything else . That changed the cash flow but they have used up all the Dr.'s . Quick call 'Hack Writers' to come up with a totally different Story Line . While they still have the time [ actors age , and some pass away ] They should fill in another season or 3 of Dr. 11 , Dr. 12 , and Dr. 13 . May even give them a way top tie up other loose story ends .
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Personally, I never hope Doctor Who goes down the root of a full reboot. Part of the charm of the show is that it’s able to regenerate itself (pun definitely intended) into something new while still keeping strong ties to what’s come before it. This is why I thought RTD’s first run worked well, it still made itself a sequel to the Classic run and the TV Movie but didn’t force you to watch it beforehand, if anything it makes people more interested in what came before it. Timeskips and soft reboots are fine in my book but I think the show would loose what makes it special if a full on reboot came to be.
I like the soft reboots Doctor Who has done throughout the years. The episodes in the middle of the series that are like "you can start watching here if you want and not get confused." I like Capaldi's third season with Bill because it's a bit of a soft reboot.
I totally agree, they can keep the show going and ignore any continuity stuff they don’t like because the show is so dang old that it doesn’t matter much (e.g. the Doctor being half human, the Doctor being the timeless child, etc)
@@nairrdlairrdtbf some reboot like they did in 2007 where some things are done and others aren’t. Like people don’t remember every invasion
Oh changing the gender of the Doctor was a reboot, I haven’t watched it since …
A new universe would require … having an actual writer …. Which Dr Who hasn’t had sine Terrance Dicks.
With Chibnal as the head writer it’s less a “missed opportunity” and more a “dodged bullet.”
Even without Chinballs it's profoundly idiotic idea! Doctor Who is already a soft cannon show, nothing is stopping a writer from doing their own thing completely! Going to a new universe would be just a dumb gimmick and nothing more!
@@PickyPaige I think it would've been a cool idea. Imagine getting to see the after effects of past doctor who episodes with different outcomes. Imagine what Doctor Who would look like if the Doctor succeeded in Genesis of the Daleks. Could've have aloud us to see more Doctor Who Unbound ideas.
@@brewster_4 Support the creation of a What If series then, don't support fucking with the main show just because you're bored with it.
@@PickyPaige When did I say I was bored with the show. I just think the Doctor spending a season in an alternate universe would be cool.
@@brewster_4 It makes it seem like you're bored with the show, because how would it be different than if we had a season of all new villains and all new concepts and characters and no callbacks whatsoever?
If only someone else was the timeless child, then we could make a new show with them as the main character, with the Doctor helping out in the first episode or the first episode is in Doctor who, to tie the two continuities together.
I was certain that the Master was going to be the TC, because in 1 stroke it explains his singular importance to the Time Lord's, and gives his malice a compelling motive - to go back and UNdo everything he did for the Division.
@@winternow2242it would make sense but also at one time the Master was gonna be their weapon in the war and I don’t think it makes sense to do that to the original holder of the TC gene, even if the Doctor after the creation of the Time Lords isn’t really that different from others
i think all of chibnalls run was missed opportunity
This is a man who’s clearly forgotten how rough Chibnalls writing could be
This is why i love the divergent universe arc from the 8th doctors early big finish stories. Having a companion from another universe in c’rizz was also cool
However, the divergent universe was remarkably similar to our universe. Despite the fact that it was supposed to be full of all the stuff Rassilon thought was too weird to remain in our universe.
I view each new Doctor as a soft reboot really. We get a new main character and the tone often changes to match, and a lot of the time we get a brand new Doctor, TARDIS, Sonic Screwdriver, companion, new writers, and the Daleks and Cybermen get new designs too. A full scale reboot just wouldn't be necessary, unless they REALLY fumble the continuity.
A reboot could have worked.
If the story leading to it had been any expansive swan song of everything that came before.
We didnt get that.
We got a mess of a story that was absolutely painful to endure.
No it wouldn't have worked, you think people were pisses by the retcon of the timeless child, it would seem like nothing compared to fury of being told that everything that came before the first series in this new universe, is essentially non canon anymore!
Soft reboots ala Series 1 and 5 are fine as they are and help the show rejuvinate itself. Complete reboot? Just make another show at that point
Correctamundo!
Maybe the complete chibnall era was in an alternative universe? Then we can ignore that whole huge shit show.
True but they'd have to relate this back in somehow with the latest galaxy event such as the Pandorica which would mean 12 would be in that universe too
@@mhe7374 just a throw away line would be enough.
Why do you all think RTD, Moffat & Chibnall are enemies? same with Tennant & Whittaker? they’re mates and respect each other. Russell isn’t up his own backside, unlike the fandom.
Personally, I think everything post Hartnell is a huge misstep. I preferred it when Doctor Who was more educational than bug eyed monsters.
In case you were wondering, that was sarcasm.
@@tokublwhovian I don't care if they're mates. I just believe that the chibnall era was shite.
And to make absolutely clear: this is not Whittakers fault: she got the preachy shit scripts that chibnall provided.
The thing is, the Doctor hasn't actually explored the whole universe. Most of the stories except when explicitly stated happen in the Mutter's Spiral galaxy, known to us as the Milky Way. That's where Earth, Gallifrey, Skaro, Mondas, Telos, and Sontar are, along with others I'm probably forgetting. Thirteen's first season had a couple occasions where she's out of her familiar galactic territory and exploring the universe proper-out of her depth and loving it. But people complained.
I can’t stand the idea. One of the things that’s appealing about Doctor Who is the lore and all the characters
The only reboot that's necessary is a reboot of the Timeless Child story. It would make much more sense for the TC to be the Master, who has always wanted to live forever. It would give so much more depth to the Master's insanity and evil. That deep down, they know something was taken from them. And it would be an actually compelling reason for the Master to suddenly flip from siding-ish with the Doctor to being an evil person again.
So the orphan traumatized child must be an insane mass murdering psychopath? What a good message to send to kids being abused and living in care. "You're an orphan and traumatized? You'll grow up to be an abuser too!"
Either reboot completely, or don't. I honestly don't see the point in a "reboot" in which all the old toys are transported into a "new Universe". It's no longer "new", then, is it?
Chibnall will tell you about his 60th scripts in about 10 years
Since they NEVER explained to my satisfaction WHY the TARDIS threw out the 13th Doctor after regeneration, I was hoping it would have something to do with the TARDIS having actually shifted through to another universe and that everyone in Series 11 onward was an alternate reality version, not the real thing. This would have explained the "Fugitive" Doctor better and the Timeless BS. I had hoped FLUX would reveal that this entire time we've not been in the Prime Universe anymore.
I wonder if they’ll ever come back to this idea.
The multiverse fascinates, but I'm glad it hasn't been explored in this era, maybe with Ncuti we could see the multiverse who knows. I wouldn't set a single season in a parallel universe though, I'd do something more drastic. I'd have someone tamper with the Tardis. It doesn't have to be a villain, it can even be a friend trying to help The Doctor, but it has to be someone we as an audience don't know or know little about. I'd have this character unintentionally give the Tardis a power burst, but also cause momentary instability that would cause The Doctor to sometimes travel through the Multiverse. So that the Multiverse could be explored in a few episodes without leaving the main one. I can already imagine The Doctor finding themselves in one of these multiverses, helping an alien race, only to find out later that those are the Daleks of that universe and that in this universe the Daleks are a Pacific race.
I created an alternate universe called the Chameleon Universe and one of the Doctors has a full series of being stranded on Earth
LOL, I forgot even Doctor Who existed after Chinall's disaster. you make me remind Doctor Who exists.
9:54 it might not be that obvious to you because you’re British but actually it only tethers itself to Britain, not Earth. We rarely go outside the UK and especially in the historical episodes (at least in Modern Who), it almost exclusively takes place in Britain with only Chibnall recently showing other places in the historical episodes.
I mean, out of my head I can already think of several interesting eras from my native German history: the Weimar Republic, Martin Luther‘s fight against the Catholic Church, Arminius fighting the Romans, Georg Forster traveling with Captain James Cook writing about indigenous peoples in an unbiased way, East Germany…there are a lot of eras there. But instead the only era is Nazi Germany (which is of course very important to remember! But a bit of variety would be appreciated).
I get it's because international filming is harder, but it really makes no sense that companions join the TARDIS and don't ask to travel around Earth. The universe is cool and all, but human companions would have a million places they've always wanted to go but couldn't afford to. After the novelty of time and space travel wears off, I'd be saying Grand Canyon, Amazon Rainforest, Niagra Falls, Thailand, India, Tokyo, you can literally plonk the TARDIS down on the top of Mount Everest.
Though it's implied a lot of that takes place offscreen. They were on a trip in Kyoto before the events of Bad Wolf. Still, no British companion is going to ask to hang around Britain. We have a rich history sure, but Italy, Greece and China are the real hotspots for historical travel.
The best thing that could happen in a new universe is watching the Master trying to figure out how to get there too. (a very complicated relationship)
It would be funny if the Doctor crossed over to the other universe and the Tardis was externally massive but inside was absolutely tiny.
I think that when David Tennant regenerates into Ncuti Gatwa there is a schism that splits the Doctor with Ncuti Gatwa remaining in this universe and Tennant propelled into the other one, both unaware of what's happened. They could run both shows at the same time and we'd get double the Doctor.
Try the expanded media with Iris Wildthyme. They travel in a bus which is smaller on the inside than it is on the outside.
@@MrsMoores you beat me to it!
that second option fuck yesS!!!
Chibnall’s run is full of missed opportunities, because he writes characters and ideas in solely for their plot reason. He puts in ideas, and never thinks about how he could use them in the future, or how he could reuse past ideas to fulfil the same purpose as this new idea. He destroyed the time lords because it would be a good shock. He killed Tecteun because that would be a good shock. He always introduced way too many side characters to a story instead of using the ones he had in the tardis crew. He just doesn’t seem to realize that developing on established ideas is a lot more emotionally impactful than introducing new ones.
I'd love to see a series or episode/s where we see characters we knew, but events didn't play out the same.
The 9th doctor met Martha first Martha, then rose was the rebound and joins unit.
Amy was the impossible girl and Rory and Clara married and got stuck, or even didn't
The master is a genuinely good person and they're tasked to stop the doctor who's gone rouge.
And that's just a few ideas.
The problem I had with the timeless child arc, was less to do with rewriting history and more that if you're gonna do something that radical and game changing, do something worthwhile with it
It's a neat idea toyed with in Big Finish's Divergent Universe arc. It's neat but ultimately doesn't feel good unless you really make the universe feel fleshed out.
i can't help but notice that your doctor who calendar is on october already
That's because it was originally meant to be out next week! But I had to swap it with a bigger video which I'm still editing
Remember in *The Runaway Bride* when we saw the Racnoss, and the Doctor explains that they are from the early universe, a wilder time? Their species relied on an element that didn't exist anymore. I imagine a different universe would be like that--took a different path in the wild times and now they have magic or whatever.
I think having an entire reboot would've ruined the show- but having a three part story would absolutely be interesting.
I definitely feel like Chibnals who is the era that had the most missed opportunities
It's an interesting idea. it's a bit like what Stargate did going from SG1 to Atlantis.
With Doctor Who though, having no returns to Earth would be a big departure. I think, perhaps, a whole season where a massive change has been made in the past and then deadlocked, changing the present and future making so that Earth can be an alternate version.
This new universe thing we be great as like a 2 season arc .
Is it bad that, when I saw the double-Universe image (from 0:35), my mind went to the Reverse Castle from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night?
The show kind of reboots itself with every new doctor. A full reboot could only be done if it's a seperate show, such as an American adaption, which I don't doubt would fail.
Tbh this could be really cool to explore for a single season.
I suspect a whole different universe would end up looking very much like our own, if nothing else for budgetary reasons.
yeah this sounds like what Big Finish wanted to do with the 8th Doctor after "ZAGREUS" but changed their plans once the 9th Doctor/Modern Series took off.
I find myself both hating and loving ideas from this vid. I think they should bring in new universes, as there is clearly a place for that, but do it in a Rick and Morty, comic book style. I also think it would be abundant in ways to rid us of the timeless child bollocks, which would be massively appreciated.
Why are people so into the idea of a complete reboot? For me part of the reason why I love Doctor Who is how it feels like a living breathing universe because of the now 60 years of continuous storytelling! There aren't many franchises, who can claim to have been going for so long and still be in the same canon timeline! Off the top of my head the only other show that I am very familiar with that does that is Power Rangers and that is only half the runtime at 30 years and is getting rebooted! Why ruin that? Doctor Who is already such a flexible show that nothing is stopping a showrunner from doing a completely self contained era, where no old foes, and no old characters are ever mentioned, hell that's how Chibnall started, and it was boring! You don't have to completely reboot the show to get a clean slate, so doing it would be just a dumb gimmick!
It's stupid that people keep bringing it up. I think most people just hate the Timeless Child Twist and want a fresh start, but if RTD literally just ignores it completely the rest of the audience will do the same and chalk it up to some weird alternate timeline like people do with a lot of expanded universe stuff. It's certainly not the first time the show has done this, cough, half human Doctor, cough. And despite my issues with the twist, it really doesn't break the show as much as everyone says.
I would have liked to see a universe with I don't know, the same old Dalek design with a different name and characteristics. Loss of recognition yes, but loss of a lot of baggage in real life too.
Would love to be in the universe where Chibnall never was the showrunner for Who
Now I get it. I couldn't keep track of the Flux Arc. Thx.s 4 explaining
In my opinion, I think it was a huge missed opportunity. I wouldn't necessarily call this concept a reboot, just a migration to new setting. The writers would have had a whole new universe, a blank canvas. The 60th could have even been crafted to tease and supplement the new universe. The Toymaker(?) forcing 10's face and plop him with nuniverse Donna who may not even know him and then we are left with all the questions and anticipation. Or alternatively, 13 could regenerate into Gwata and has a crossover with nuniverse Donna and 10.
At the very least, it felt like the next logical progression to the Flux destroying like 90% of our universe which feels so limiting and constricting in storytelling.
Finally, this new universe doesn't erase everything everyone has loved. It all still exists within the Doctor's life, but now we can have a fresh, new horizon
The showrunners already have a blank canvass to do whatever the fuck they want! It would be just a dumb gimmick, nothing more!
@@PickyPaige except in a universe with a LONG history of lore, there isn't a blank canvas. The writers are still semi-constricted by what they can say and do lest they face backlash, i.e. the Timeless Child story. So no, they do not have a blank canvas, whereas a whole new universe could literally be anything. An Earth with Silurians or even dinosaurs still running around? Peaceful Daleks? A whole Master-esque Timelords? Up is down and down is left? Literally anything in a new universe
@@s.k.6100That sound stupid.
This is where I thought Chibnall was headed in Flux, considering the backlash after The Timeless Child. Not so much a reboot, but rather an expansion, opening Who up to the multiverse, the way the MCU has, and reveal that the timeless child (and Jo Martin's Doctor) were from another universe. The reason Jodie could share/view the timeless child's memories were because the flux was eating away at all universes, breaking down the walls between them. It could offer such interesting story ideas, like an evil version of the Doctor for example (much like the first series of Loki). Imagine that, the Doctor's greatest enemy -- herself! It would have achieved what he set out to do: reintroduce some mystery back into the Doctor's origin -- or this case, origins. Though if he did that after introducing the first black doctor, he would have been called out for retconning by both sides of the political aisle. He definitely wrote himself into a corner.
I think the whole idea of other universes could have been the way to fix the issue with the Timeless Children. What if the 13th Doctor, fresh from regeneration didn't just fall to Earth, but somehow ended up in another universe that was extremely similar to n-space's history. Or just something like that, of course, it would be a very delicate process to plan something out like that, but at least it would be somewhat of an interesting idea to do, and it would've not messed with the show's continuity to a drastic point.
I have to say I really love the first half of the video of yours. I was finally enthralled with the fact that someone else finally got what I've been thinking all along! I absolutely love the timeless child introduction and aspects. I thought it gave much greater enriched history of Doctor Who as well as strengthened the storyline in much greater insight. Doctor Who was never meant to remain static it was to evolve, change, grow and strengthen. And then you had to bring in the opposite opinion! and I was totally disagreeing! Besides there is only so much knowledge and places in our universe the Doctor Who could now and it seemed like he had reached its zenith knowing everything about this universe! It was so much more possibility of enrichment like you mentioned the different laws of physics to explore with different places abd new aliens and enemies to explore! Everything completely new and refreshed. Instead we're now bringing back old aliens and enemies again such as the celestial Toymaker, etc
And then you had to hit about familiarity with the Earth etc. and I instantly thought What about the all and the whole earth? what if it was dragged in to the universe with the doctor. And now the doctor having to deal with the struggles, new enemies New aliens and a whole new set of laws and physics! And now the Doctor Not knowing absolutely everything but discovering everything anew! Not only does the doctor have his familiarity with Earth And having to protect it but all of humanity as well as the doctor dealing with the whole universe. And that would be an awesome...
Can't believe this man just dropped the r word like it was nothing
I actually thought at one point that Flux was going to be to Doctor Who what Crisis on Infinite Earths was to DC comics. I think the show has become one that takes the least interesting path in regards to ideas, along the lines of the early years of Smallville (I don't know what the later years were like, I'd stopped watching.) I would love to be proved wrong in the future but I think the second run of Doctor Who is now doomed to a boring formula. Our current doctor is now a previous one, the showrunner a previous one, imo the show has become stuck, I look forward to it becoming free again one day. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think the show needs a rest until someone has an idea to reinvent it.
Explore a new universe... We've already done that though. There were cybermen.
I like the idea of a series, or a few episode long arc (like the espace arc in season 18), in a different universe. I'd want it to do stuff that couldn't be done in the main universe though.
Edit: Wow, Harbo just said the same thing. Wrote this comment before finishing the video, and I pretty much agree.
calendar a bit prematurely ahead in the background there? xD or was this recorded in October and you travelled back in time to post it in September? ;)
I don't think that it counts as a missed opportunity unless you also count e-space as a missed opportunity, or pete's world (even though that has been explored through expanded media). there are implied to be multiple universes in the dr who 'universe' and exploring even one would result in oversaturation. it simply would not be as interesting of a concept if it was explored, given concrete rules, et cetera, especially if we're talking about the timeless child's original universe because the whole point of that is the mystery.
ignoring how the timeless child concept was poorly explored, partially due to the fact that flux had an episode cut and the story couldn't be altered much to work around that, partially due to trying to explore the doctor's origins being a narrative mistake and partially due to the concepts used not working terribly well within the greater 'narrative' of the doctor, having the timeless child's original universe explored would be a mistake. this is for the same reasons that trying to explore the doctor's origins is a mistake; it removes the fundamental intrigue.
meanwhile, I believe that tecteun wanting to escape into a new universe is meant to be something we do not want. it is meant to be her choosing something bad. it's not meant to be explored. she, alongside division, have used their own universe, ignoring the countless lives and worlds within it, as a petri dish, essentially, and if they move onto a new universe what's stopping them from doing the exact same thing? it is meant to be unexplored, it is not meant to go any further than that narratively because that universe represents the continued cycle of evil, or malicious ignorance of consequences at the very least, that tecteun, division, and the timeless child story are a part of. sure, that universe could have some really interesting use as a setting, but because of what I just said and the fact that it does represent a temptation for the doctor to turn 'evil', much in the same way that the time lord victorious worked; the opportunity to be an actual god rather than a simple being elevated to a godlike status due to their actions, with the ability to fix everything that they deem wrong and prevent injustices and everything the doctor wants to do, but now warped due to the fact that this gives them a horrific amount of control over every single atom, every single thing in that universe. it would remove the good from those actions, it would remove the motivation to do those actions, and it would be detrimental to the doctor to take that temptation. tecteun is manipulating the doctor, which is an action that fits with her abusive parental role; something I don't know if I can explain it further very well, I'm just aware her actions are very much like what my mother has done and continues to do. by refusing to discover her origins, however, the doctor is reclaiming their individuality as a singular being and refusing to become that godlike figure, rejecting this new universe which represents in a way the very original status quo, which I think is a fascinating inversion of the 'character rejects evil power asking them to return the world to the status quo via a corrupting agent' trope.
I do think dr who as a show should explore alternate universes a bit more often in the main show, without it being too big of a deal. of course it would only really be possible with the show's 'higher beings', like the time lords, eternals, logopolitans, et cetera, being able to do it or facilitate it (so it doesn't lose the intrigue and become normalised, which imo would be a bad narrative choice), but being able to explore a whole different reality would open up some very interesting paths for the show to explore on occasion. and technically speaking, dr who exists in an alternate universe to ours after all!
That reboot sounds awful. Seriously, go back and listen to that Flux/Timeless child recap. That is a horrible premise for a reboot or even more Doctor Wno episodes.
Now this is a big idea I don’t think I would agree but doctor who has already done this in the 8th doctor divergent universe arc now I really like how this was done because while this was going on in the main universe big finish continued the story with spin offs like dalek empire cyberman and Gallifrey continuing the story
The problem is as long as the Timeless Child is still in the background of our minds and the show, people can never really forget the devastation it has done to the show and all those decades of history. It was Chibnall trying to put his stamp on a classic work, but instead all he did was put a big muddy boot print on a once beautiful painting.
I generally think the show might be okay while Tennant is around in the show, but once the new guy gets in RTD is going to go back and start adding in things that is going to annoy the audience, from what I heard from interviews I don't like what is coming up. So much of it sends like the politics that really dampened the later season of Moffatt run and killed Chibnall. I don't think RTD can save the show, the BBC won't allow him, they still want bang on your head politics.
Are we fans of the same show? Nu-Who was always kind of woke, and the "other" show that RTD was known for back then was Queer as folk. The problem with the Chibs era isn't the so called wokeness, it's the fucking terrible writting. Give me that good old sense of fun and adventure and they can make the Doctor gay for all I care.
@@merluzacongelada5361 Nu-who Season 1-6 were light on it and did not smash the "message" into your face. They also did not call people who might have a differing opinion 'evil' and 'bad'. We never would have got that Trump Spider episode in the old Nu-who for example. What is more hilarious is that in that episode the Trump stand in was in the right about the spiders and was the only one to put the spiders out of their misery quickly. Dr and her 'Gang' (I really hate that word being used-Gang) just wanted to let them starve-cannibalise and the suffocate from lack of Oxygen. Which just shows they can't even do hit jobs properly in their show.
We also back then did not have all the cast and crew in every interview repeating the same now copy and paste phrases ' inclusion, telling a message, modern audience'. Now we do, and it does drain on the show.
Your right the horrible writing is what is killing the show, but the fact that politics are now being pushed front and centre too is not helping either, especially when it's done in a way where you clearly see they think the other side are all evil and bad. And a lot of the bad writing choices come about due to need a need of theirs to shovel in politics into every story for some reason. They made the poor writing political.
I mean for example having episodes criticising capitalism and corporations, while the BBC also is a greedy corporation and uses capitalism as well. In fact has a licence fee to force people to pay the BBC to watch a TV even if it's not BBC, is very double standards in my opinion.
I had no problem with a Woman Doctor or a gay Doctor, My problem is when that is the only 'trait' the character even has as their one feature. I mean Bill for example nearly her whole storyline and character was 'I'm Gay'. Unlike Jack Harness who was a fun character with a good character arc and a very wide and interesting personality.
I'm sorry but these days nothing in Dr Who gets written just for fun and adventure, for some reason now the BBC demands everything has politics in it front and centre. Even if it will be toxic to the show long term.
Timeless Child should never been allowed out of the writing room.
People may say,' If you don't like the show, then don't watch it'' normally I would agree but not this time. Since my household is forced to pay for the BBC and so I do think I have a right to complain about the show then. And the BBC is one of the last places to lecture people about morals or standards, two names alone proves my point 'Jimmy Savile and Garry glitter'.
I'm a very centre of the road person in terms of politics overall, and I can let many things slide, but Dr Who has now reached a point where you just can't.
Chibnall's Who missed a lot of opportunities tbh. It annoys me to no end that such interesting concepts were utterly wasted.
It’s because he’s not a good sci-if writer.
@@BeckyBookClubMainNeither is Russell 🤷🏻♂️ Moffat is the only one who can do sci-fi.
@@tokublwhovian lmao okay
@@BeckyBookClubMainAm I not allowed to give my opinion? 🤔 you don’t have to agree, but there’s no need to be an ass. That doesn’t surprise me anyway, we’re in a fandom that shape their lives around a fictional television show for kids. I thought you lot believed in “free speech”? 🤷🏻♂️ I guess not.
Sounds like dr who being like JOJOs bizarre adventure.
It would have been awful, the writers wouldn't have had earth to fall back on and after new poorly written aliens failed to pull in viewers they would have done the same thing Chibnall did, bringing back old faces and suddenly go back to the original universe.
Chibsy literally couldn’t have even conceived the 60th specials. It’s why his tenure was dull and RTD is revered as a genius of the show.
i enjoyed this video much more than your recent videos... idk, I've been getting kinda bored of your videos, which has been surprising, but this one I value muchly.
now that I think about it, much as I love Flux, I hate that Chibnall whittled down the major threats of the universe to Daleks, Cybermen and Sontarans... like, that makes the universe so so so much smaller :(
What you call a "missed opportunity", I call "double tapping", cause if the Timeless Children managed to only injure Doctor Who and that is still debatable, rebooting it in a "new" universe surely would have finished the job!
Anyone who fan that wants to explore planets should try Outer Wilds. Id give more info but "spoilers"
Or hey! Maybe a universe where the Doctor is an ordinary male Gallifreyan Timelord who ran away in a Type 40 time capsule. Far-fetched I know!
Weird how Tectayun literally tortured a child to death over and over again to discover regeneration and no one seems to think that was wrong? But yeah, more women in STEM!
People like you are so pathetic 🥱
Imagine living in a universe with a misogynistic brain damaged person like you who gets pissed at sci-fi writers when they turn the face-changing alien into a woman and give her a bad backstory. You think Chris Chinball wrote this with you in mind, buddy?
Here's an idea: spinoff. Have whatshername (didn't see that season) go into the other universe, give her a show of her own and have her explore this new universe. You'd have unique beings and variations on things in the regular universe, becoming that universe's version of the Doctor: starting out as an explorer but fate turning her into a defender of the innocent. It's a new series but with ties to the something we already know. It works for Big Finish and fan projects. You don't have to toss out years of history, kill off beloved one-shot and regular characters with the end of the universe, and still get something new yet familiar.
She’s dead, disintegrated. The Doctor obviously survived though. Can’t wait for the RTD2 era
More like Chibnall somehow, just once, didn’t make a bad decision and fuck doctor who forever
maybe the new universe ,if that happened ,love and monsters you wouldnt think about that anymore,still would be a bad idea ,what could have been ,what if survivors of the flux created a new universe
People will complain even more of the Doctor choose the other universe. Saying the Jodie Doctor is cruel etc
and somehow we are getting a soft reboot thanks to chimbnals era
Its a fun idea but i simply wouldnt trust Chibb with it
11:50 Scherzo, pronounced "SCARE-tzo"... Italian for "joke".
Great idea, I'm sure it was explored in the "Wilderness Years" of the 1990s and early 2000's in other media/books.
There's too much negativity in Doctor Who online fandom in some ways, for my tastes anyway. It's nice to encounter someone not finding virtually everything the show does disagreeable.
Scherzo is pronounced skairt-so.
The other universe is a great idea. Other ideas in the way Doctor Who works for a season or two should be explored too. I had an idea that when 13 regenerated a being took control of their regeneration, to harness it's energy and rebuild Gallifrey. There could have been various media on how it rippled back to previous Doctors who tried to come and stop this being and 14 when up against it but ultimately lost and the Doctor was, as 15, put back on Gallifrey with no memory. He'd be working and living alongside characters like Romana and the Master and even a family. They'd work as Time Lords agent, under this being's commands, interfering in history, the Doctor comes across things from his past that spark memories and make him question what is happening. By the end of the season he has to escape Gallifrey and does so with his grand daughter!
So it would act like a soft reboot but also play on the history of the show.
Spin off series?
Why wouldn't there be an Earth in that universe? As we know earth is in other universe's! And the Doctor isn't in our world, its a world similar to ours but not our world lol #actulylol
This reminds me of that theory following Series 12 that Thirteen had fallen into another universe following her regeneration where Ruth was the native Doctor and Thirteen had just bungled into their drama with the Spy Master.
Could have been interesting then if Thirteen was trying to save this universe from the Flux while using Division's resources to get back to N-Space.
No, No Reboot. Boo
The story that Dr. Who was not Galifreyan but an Immortal being . A crude and crass way to extend the possible series with the 13 incarnations having been burned thru . It was the producers that cooked off incarnation every season so they could finally go on to something easier to scoop cash with . When the fandom [massive as it is] said N O we will stop watching anything else . That changed the cash flow but they have used up all the Dr.'s . Quick call 'Hack Writers' to come up with a totally different Story Line .
While they still have the time [ actors age , and some pass away ] They should fill in another season or 3 of Dr. 11 , Dr. 12 , and Dr. 13 . May even give them a way top tie up other loose story ends .
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