Ive been playing for about 15 years and ive always thought something never sounded quite right. Ive tried different strings, different gauges, ive screwed up a few necks thinking the truss rod needed tweaking. Thought it was cheap guitars even if they werent that cheap. I just finally sprung for a martin instantly sounds better but when i tune it like this its the sound ive always tried to get but never quiet could. Thank you sir.
James Taylor does the exact same thing. He also has a RUclips video out showing how he does it. I wish I knew this back in the day when I was playing guitar. The regular tuning never sounded exactly right.
very cool! thanks for pointing this out, I didn't know exactlly who all uses this method but knew a lot of big boys did. and thanks for checking out my videos!
I would suggest starting from the low e as the lower strings put more tension on the neck than the higher strings, if you adjust them last they are more likely to put the higher strings out of tune.
For yrs I've thought my ears were out of whack but you just taught me that I was hearing correct.. 🤓 After I'd tune I'd strum a chord and adjust by ear because I could literally hear it out of tune even though it was tuned perfectly to the tuner.. Strange that tuner makers don't adjust for this... Thank for this video 👊💥🙂
Hey Randy, got a guitar around half way through Covid and have watched numerous of your vids trying to learn this sweet science, thanks for being you buddy! Cheers from Canada! 🇨🇦🥸
So glad I stumbled across your channel Randy......you show and teach things that people totally disregard that are important and overlooked.....awesome job dude!
Thank you man! I'm glad you found me too! I try to keep it on subject and explain it clear while keeping a little comedy in it too. Thanks for watching!
The exact cents will always depend on the neck of your guitar. Most of the error is from the bridge. What gypsies do, because they play a lot in the middle of the neck, is to tune the A 440 on the 5th fret of the E, then use octaves and fifths to tune the other strings, always using fretted notes.
Thank you for that information! I have been having success with a similar approach - basically tuning fretted notes to a pitch generator. I have been trying to find info on anyone else using this approach. This gives me a great lead!
I've known this concept for many years but never figured out exactly how many cents flat the tuning should be. I got close on most of it but you have it all figured out. Thank you very much!!! You will make my last years of guitar playing so much more enjoyable. P. S. the compensated nut theory is B.S. The thumbs down people are idiots and deserve to play out of tune.
yep, we know that when a string is in tune and when it's pressed down to make a note we are stretching that string slightly, so by using this tuning correct it just enough to make chords in tune better. lots of the big boys use this tuning but none hardly ever talk about it. thanks for watching!
Hey Randy. I have tuned pianos in the past, and I am aware of adjusting the cents as one tunes up and down the scale. I never quite thought of this for the guitar until I saw this posting. Wow, thanks. This really does make a difference in the quality of the sound.
It really helps, no guitar in existence can be built or set up to intonate 100% on every string and every fret, that's where this tuning comes in, it helps compensate for that. Thanks for checking it out!
I love the guitar because it is imperfect like me,but this is a great way to be 'more' in tune over all. BTW James Taylor said he wants his tuning back,.. ...(lol!)
Quick tip for a more practical approach: Tune every string exactly on an E! -- ((first) E 0th fret / B 5th fret / G 9th / D 2nd (or 14th), A 7th, (last) E 12th fret). Kind of similar to your approach (-3/-6/-4/-8/-10/-12), but here the cent variations come from the notes you fret. Can't say for sure where I got this from (Paul Davids?), but so far it worked great for most guitars and even (somewhat) evens out intonation issues (e.g. when 12th fret is sharp compared to open string due to wrong neck tension / bridge calibration)
So by doing that, you get the guitar closer to the sweet spot? Doesn't the tuner pick up the pitch of the string better when you tune with open strings? The intonation would have to be perfect for this to work.
found this again, as the slip w the numbers disappered from my rack. An absolut worthwhile excercise and the sound is again creamy and full of timbre, thanx
thanks a lot! i had noticed this problem particularly on the B string not ringing very well with the G so i would drop the B and E a few cents but my friends thought i was just being silly. glad to know my ears aren't wrong.
I have to tune one of my guitars just as you said in order to make it intonate right. Weird how much difference there is in different guitars, like people lol thanks for viewing.
I must say a Big thank you for sharing this I,ve been playing since the late 50,s. I must try this on my banjo and mandoline,I dont think I,ll bother with the 12 string.Ha,ha. Thanks a million.
Hey man! That really seemed to help the overall sound of my guitar! I'm using a lowered tunning but it zeros back to dead center and the overall effect seems to be very good thanks dude man
Yes Randy... This little secret is used in most top recording studios. There is an alternative way of doing this however as most people don't have "cents" tuners First the science behind it.. When the string is first struck ... (The Attack) a note will be at its sharpest. From then on the movement of the string will decrease (The Decay) When 99 percent of people tune they will tune to the Decay. But... We don't say to the audience "Wait a second, that note I just just played will settle (For example to 440) to the right note. Thanks for hanging with me on this.... now hears the answer. Pluck your strings as you tune at the same velocity you would when playing... And keep plucking .... say 2 times a second..... this will tune to the Attack of the note, which is what you want the audience to hear. Try this.... and when you reference this, to the "Bonus" way you will see -3,-6,-4,-8,-10,-12.... (on a set of 12's) .... slightly different for 11's..... and when switching to electric guitar, because of thinner gauge strings being used and the sustain of notes the difference is tiny. Hope this helps!
I`ve tuned my guitar for years thinking something isn`t right. With this new (Bonus) tuning it sounds right to me. I play along with a lot of hit songs from the last 60yrs and the guitars always sound a little different then I do with my 440 tuning , but not now. I found this Bonus Tuning by accident , I wasn`t even looking for it! I just played along with Peter and Gordon`s "A World Without Love! in E! I`ve played that song in 440 for years and today I played it with the Bonus Tuning! So today I thought it was me playing on the recording! Just Say `in! Thanks
great to hear Keith! this tuning works on about every guitar I've tried it on and makes a huge difference! lots of pro players use it but you never hear it talked about much. thanks for checking it out and thanks for checking out my videos!
I've been aware of the tuning intonation problem for a long time now and always compensate by tweaking it, once I'm tuned to A 440, but wasn't aware of how to drop the cents for each string. Much appreciated Randy !
You are a rock star. This is the first time I've tuned my guitar and been happy with it the first time all the way up the neck. I owe you a beer sir. Thank you.
just watched bonus tuning. great video! like watching your videos and hearing the music. Don't sell your self short, great picking under any circumstances. Thanks Randy. CHEERS!!
Ok. First off, I have always tuned straight to A440. After watching your previous vid talking about the bonus tuning, I could really begin to HEAR what you were talking about as I played my guitar & especially up the neck. Normally I just use a clip on tuner, which doesn't read in cents. I download the da tuner app for android, but was struggling a bit cuz the cent meter was just all over the place for me and I couldn't really tell exactly where I was. After watching this video I understand much better, also having better luck with pro guitar tuner app and tuning the actual guitar! You can really hear the difference with the tuning and can't believe I've never heard of this before! Thank you very much Sir Randy!! Very much appreciated (and so useful, as always).
+Ronnie Williams You're welcome Ronnie! I don't know why this tuning is such a big secret or why so many big players use it yet hardly ever speak of it. But it does indeed make a huge difference, especially up the neck chords! Thanks for watching and commenting I'm glad it works for you! :)
+Randy Schartiger It is very helpful! It would neat if you could somehow adjust the settings of the app to customize it to the cent. So when you tune and get that meter right in the middle/green, you are essentially under the correct amount of cents (if that makes any sense). I wish I knew a thing or two about programming lol. Thanks again!
***** That's a very interesting thought! It sure would make tuning much easier. hmm I'm going to look into this, an app pr tuner you could calibrate each individual string, that would be awesome!
Thanks for tip on the PGT app ..I compared it's readings to my Tu3 and it has excellent accuracy.YOUR ROOM IS THE COOLNESS LEADER OF ALL GUITAR CHANNELS.
Hi randy, I'm writing to you from Ireland, you have been a very good help to me in the past, whit your information about the guitar, I want to ask you a question, I have a vintage suzuk guitar, and I was interested in fitting a string butler on it, but I would have to fit it with screws, to the headstok because it's a vintage model,, I did here you say in your video, when you were fitting one, that you would not recommend, to fit a string butler, to the headstok, if it had to be fitted with screws,, could you please explain why, for I would be very interested, in your reasoning, yours respectfully my best regards Brian please keep up the great work, God bless you and yours
I remember saying that, the String Butler works well whether it's screwed onto the head stock or mounted normally to the pegs, the only reason I'm not for screwing them on is because drilling holes into your guitar could lower the overall value of the instrument. thanks for your support here on RUclips!
Randy Schartiger thank you randy, for your reply, I do appreciate it, and if that is the only reason for not using it, I'm quite contented to put one on, thanks again for your reply, always look forward to your videos, best wishes now and always, Brian :)
preciate the vid man i do alot of tuning by ear by matching the 6th string to the 5 string noting the 6 string on the 5th frfet and you do that all the way to the b string then go to 4th fret to match the g string etc. etc. aint tellin you shit you dont know already i know but by doing that AFTER i tuned to 440 i knew 440 wasnt exactly right i just didnt understand it im glad you straightened that out for me hell i was startin to think my ears had superpowers my papaw used to tell me that they was so big i could hear the sun come up in the mornin! ha ha i like yer videos btother i do im from east tennessee near holston mountain and its nice to get my guitar tech needs from a local and you gotta be not far from here lol
yep the ears can play tricks on us for sure! lol and you're right I'm not far from you in central wv. I get a lot of guitars from your state. thanks for checking out my videos.
Hey guy, thanks for further explaining the cent values. In your other video I wasn't grasping what you were talking about. This video explained it all and makes perfect sense. I am not very experienced as i took up Guitar a year ago. I play a Fender DG60 Acoustic and really love the sound it produces but the upper registers were not at the proper intonation. This tuning advice has it sounding much better. Thank you.
Thanks Hammer! I'm happy to hear my videos are of help. This tuning does help even on a guitar with bad intonation its a big improvement. Thanks again for viewing!
It's going to depend on your guitar and your strings. Ideally a guitar should be able to stay in tune up the neck if you're using the string widths that they had in mind when positioning the frets. If you have to tune down, your guitar may have been designed for thicker strings. Of course, there's no way to stay in tune up the neck when using a capo, because you're depressing the string in two different places, which will make it a lot sharper. So in that case I fret the most important notes in the song, and I tune those specifically for the song.
Totally blown away! Sir you are pure genius. I am going to see if this applies to 432 as well using the same cent intervals. Perhaps you have experimented with this as well? I am posting tbis comment without checking because I just had to thank you for this brilliant advice.
Randy, you do a great job... Love watching and learning . Keep it up. Oh and quit smoking. It's killing you. Oh, and I enjoyed your playing too. Thanks.
Hey Randy. Have you ever played a Yamaha 365 F? I played a $20 cheese grater which I bought from money saved working with my mother at a flea market. My parents told me they weren't shelling out hundreds of dollars for a guitar if I was only gonna play it for a week and stick it in the corner! They were also paying for Samurai karate, and Taekwondo plus ice hockey so I was really pushing their last button asking for an acoustic. So I played that cheese grater for over a year when my father relented and my brother in law, who's 17 years older than I am, and who had got me interested in guitar and singing as he was great at both, took me to a famous guitar shop close to downtown Toronto called "The Trading Post" and we went through a bunch of acoustics there, but I couldn't find one that spoke to me. Then my brother in law told me "hey kid, guitars can't talk" boy I felt the fool! In the end he advised me to buy a used acoustic because I could get one in mint condition for at least half the price of a lesser quality new acoustic, and that made great sense to me. So my BIL pick out a Yamaha FG365 F and I loved it! We bought that one. It came with a really solid flight case which I painted the Supertramp Crime Of The Century album cover on it! Stars in deep space and a set of bars with hands wrapped around them. It looked awesome! I always got compliments whenever I had that case out. I got that guitar when I was about 12 or 13 years old. When I was 15 I had my own apartment and a job, and was mashing with a couple of great players from Montreal. I wanted an electric, and so I STUPIDLY traded that sweet Yamaha and case for an electric Ibanez...that salesman saw me coming, I got skinned! Of course I had no idea back then, but as the years went by I realized the goof saw a punk kid with a sweet Yamaha and case and he cheated me! LOL! I filed that under "L.A.L.! Live and Learn! I don't even remember what became of that electric, but one more quick sad ass guitar story. So, I mentioned working with my mom at the flea market. I got a percentage of the sales and I got $25 one time and saved it till the next week where I was going to add it to whatever I made and buy something cool. So I had just finished setting mom's tables up and she taught me to walk around early as venders were unpacking because you can get some great stuff before anyone gets to even look at it. I walked around and headed straight for the military surplus guy who also often had legit WWII items battle worn. I bought a WWI officer's sword, British/Canadian helmet and a defused WWII pineapple grenade for $20 a couple of weeks prior. That sword alone is worth thousands today! So I see something white in his pile of items ready to be set out, and I took a closer look and saw a really cool white electric guitar. He sold it to me for $25! This was before I got the cheese grater so I was around 10 or 11 years old. I had no idea what that guitar was and thought it needed repairs because the bridge wasn't secured. So it sat in a corner of my room. I moved out when I was 15 got a job and my own apartment with my girlfriend who was 19. I had been playing guitar for a couple of years and started learning about them. One day I was reading a magazine and I saw this awesome white Gibson Les Paul Electric!! WHAT!!?? I called my mother to ask her to look at that guitar and tell me what the label on the head stock said, silence...MOm...NOOOOOOOOO!!! But Yeeeeesssss! She sold it!! Years later I was going through old family photo albums and was sickened to see the Gibson name on the head stock. So that guitar was bought in either 1972 or 73. It was used, so I'd say it was a 1960's or early 1970s Gibson Les Paul!! I still wanna barf every time I think about that guitar. Oh and she sold the sword, helmet and grenade also! LOL!! She was heart broke when I quit school and moved out at 15 and I don't blame her one bit for selling that stuff. But even so...sniff...sniff..sniff...sniff..BWAAAHHH HAA HAA HAAAA!! I'm going to buy another Yamaha FG365 F if it takes me ten years to find a mint one I tells yus!! Hey great channel brother, I dig it! Jack ~'()'~ Canada
My grandfather was a organist and choir master, I inherited two of his tuning forks,a C and A When playing in a band in the 60,s we used the C to tune our instruments.Much to my shock when electronic tuners came out I found the C fork was B it had gone flat with all the hitting
No, it's unlikely to have gone flat. If your grandfather played before ww2 than concert pitch hadn't been standardized. A 'C' note would have been a half step down (100cents lower.) Everything was a semitone lower in pitch.
I think that you should try a tuning that allows close to perfect fourths and fifths and maybe some major thirds. It's all about harmonies. A temperament tuning, like in Well Tempered pianos, should be tried. Equal temperament is stupid because all harmonies but octaves are missing. Maybe trying Vallotti Temperament on open strings would work best. Set A4, fifth fret on the first string for 440Hz. Now tune the rest 5 strings for Vallotti temperament cents. I'm sure you're gonna love it
+Spreadswings A lot of folks wanted a demo of how to tune to this tuning and turns out it was a good idea I should have thought of in the first lace lol Thanks Spreadswings for stopping in, I'm glad this helped. :)
Really only makes sense. When you press on a string it will make it sharp from 440. I never thought of that before. Another good tutorial. And be a Simple...kind of man...Rock on Randy!
+Archie Bunker Exactly!!! Anytime you force a string from it's perfectly straight position it's got to go sharp, this works! :) Thanks for dialing in bro!
Yes, when you press a string down to a fret you stretch it as well as shortening its sounding length, which raises its pitch further. But this is compensated by the frets, which are placed to not shorten the strings by quite the mathematical interval required. The problem is a different one: with straight frets you can compensate perfectly for any given string, but not for different strings at the same time. Some compensation can be built into the nut and bridge as well, but the only way to get perfect intonation (for whatever scale you are tuned to) on every fret on every string, is by having irregular frets.
Continuing this logic for 12 string. String 2: -3, string 4: -6, string 6: -1, string 8: -3, string 10: -4, string 12: -6 I'm using a Taylor 315ce with 52-11 strings. My 2nd A (string 10) is a wound 22 and 2nd E (string 12) is a wound 26. It's getting close but still needs tweaking. (Any thoughts, Randy?) Generally, the sympathetic resonances are stronger than I've ever heard on this guitar. And I'm not compensating by increasing tension with my left hand.. Thanks so much!
I tried this tuning on a Ventura 12 string and that guitar sounded better than ever before! My friend who owned the guitar was afraid he couldn't remember the cents to tune each string to so I wrote it all down for him. It sounds like you're right on key! Pun intended =D I'll admit it took me forever to get it in tune but once there we couldn't believe out ears!
1st fret barres sound off with new Martin flexcore strings. I think the base strings (esp low E) should be a bit higher than recommended in the video because of the thinner core. The mid and trebles sound amazing. Now I really want to nail this (offset tuning) for this particular 12 string..
Hi Mr. Randy, that's a nice version of Simple Man. Thanks for the tutorial, will go back and try this again on my guitars. Have a great Sunday! Hooold Ooon!
+Suzanna Crawford My old hands were not wanting to co-operate so I had to quickly move onto something else lol Thanks you Suzanna for commenting and watching, try this tuning and let us know what you think! Hold on! =D
Good one mate. I am not being nasty but cents is French and pronounced sonts! Weird= I know. As long as people realize that 60 cents + * a shrp or flat, 100 + a note. I can generally tune to within 3 cents per string by ear. Anyway keep the growth of your RUclips channel going. TJ from Oz.
I'm sure this is entirely correct. But, if you play harp from a holder, you must tune to the harmonica for the key(s) you are using it in. If you move from the key of E to the key of G (and then use a G or C harp) you may have to retune slightly. I have always done this (since the 1950's), and have found no problem being in tune with a band. (Close enough for government work).
This 'sweet' tuning is also called the James Taylor Sweet Tuning Method. Taylor has a video on it. BUT! It's built-in as a present on Android's Playstore: Airyware Tuner. Also, Hi Randy!! Whoooooooo a.
The way I see it the guitar intonations very well tuned that way. The only problem is that now the open strings are all flat. Now you need to compensate the nut to make the open strings right. Then your good all around. What do you think?
I'm really excited to see this. I'm interested in getting one of those "pro tuners". Right now I use a Peterson clip on tuner. I only use it as a safety net. I play jazz in many keys, so I'm interested in the pitch of every note, up the neck. I only tune the d string open- no other open strings. This is very exciting stuff- Thanks.
+guitarstruggles That's one if not THE most accurate tuning apps I've ever used and probably my very favorite if I had to choose just one, it's better than most tuners in fact. Thanks for tuning in brother cheers! :)
so i got the app my two guitars which i have been standard tuning to the 0 taking you advide it made both my guitars sound amazing at least i think it is it resonates waaaay better so thanks man.
Really like that piece you did at the end of your video. I'm sure I'll watch it a hundred times trying it finger it, newbie to your channel I've learn About intonation from your videos witch made PS sounding guitar sound pretty Good!
Well explained Randy, when you spoke of cents in the last vid I thought the term was made up, didn't realise it's the actual term. I like that tune at the end would love to hear it in its entirety, cheers me old mate. 😎
+Simon Bradbury I guess a lot of folks had never heard of cents when it comes to tuning, it's so tiny it doesn't get talked about much, 1 cent = 1/100 of a half step 1/2 step, or 1 fret, you could make a string go a few cents sharp just by squeezing the chords too hard, which is why this tuning is used so much. Thanks for watching and commenting Simon, I'll put in my notes to make a video of that entire tune, I wrote it several years ago and there's quite a bit more to it. Cheers brother!
Nuts, I had the description typed in but my kindle decided to crap out on me and go back to your video. Anyway I called Sue at Peterson and she said to use the James Taylor sweetener for the acoustic guitar..Ain't that nice you can vary it in your guitar case too.
This tuning works fine for a solo guitar or if more than one guitar (with the same tuning) are played together. However in band work where keyboards are also used the guitar will be way out of tune with the keyboard. Also this tuning is not appropriate for playing in all keys. A better method if perfect pitch is required especially when open strings are involved is to tune to the A440 ref. Then use open string tuning to bring each string into perfect harmony. However this only works really well if the guitar is correctly intonated.
Is that an HD-28? I like the golden yellow top on it! I don't know if that tuner you use works on Apple platforms, but for what it is worth, I use an app called ClearTune for Apple and it is phenomenal. You can tune by cents on it as well. I have a petersen strobe and checked it against it, and that app is dead-on. Appreciate the videos as always, Randy.
+Adam Wallen An HD-28 it is! :) It's a Dan Tyminski model from Martin's custom shop built in 2012.The top has really darkened from blonde in the last 2 years. Yeah some of those apps are shockingly good! The two I use both were spot on with my Peterson strobe too. Thanks for checking out my videos Adam it is greatly appreciated.
YOU SON OF A GUN!!! Now I'm going to have to tune 1/2 my guitars this way and 1/2 the other and go back and forth for an hour or 12 comparing the two. LOL! Great explanation of what you're doing.
+SkyScraper Guitars lol it's enough to drive one crazy! :D Would love to know what you think once you've checked it out, it works on almost every guitar I've did it on, occasionally I run onto a guitar that doesn't like it but usually it's one that doesn't intonate well at all. Thanks for your comments and for watching mate! :)
Please post the theory behind this type of tuning compensation...or a link to such information...I really would like to know how those cent numbers were derived...
+Cesar Blues Guitar Thanks so very much Cesar! Yep sure did, my hands wasn't working too well at that time when I made that second series but yep that lick is in one of them. I might include it in the next series and another one very much like it. Thanks again brother!
love the augmented riff in the opening, oh yes you can use it in a song, ever listen to buckethead? lol. I like that tuner app, looks much better than the one i'm currently using ☮
+Harry Timmons lol yep Buckethead probably already uses it in a song lol This is one of my favorite tuning apps, my other favorite is Da Tuner Lite but I use this one most. Thanks for stopping in brother cheers! :)
Ive been playing for about 15 years and ive always thought something never sounded quite right. Ive tried different strings, different gauges, ive screwed up a few necks thinking the truss rod needed tweaking. Thought it was cheap guitars even if they werent that cheap. I just finally sprung for a martin instantly sounds better but when i tune it like this its the sound ive always tried to get but never quiet could. Thank you sir.
James Taylor does the exact same thing. He also has a RUclips video out showing how he does it. I wish I knew this back in the day when I was playing guitar. The regular tuning never sounded exactly right.
very cool! thanks for pointing this out, I didn't know exactlly who all uses this method but knew a lot of big boys did. and thanks for checking out my videos!
I would suggest starting from the low e as the lower strings put more tension on the neck than the higher strings, if you adjust them last they are more likely to put the higher strings out of tune.
Thanks. These six values exactly match the advice James Taylor gave in 2012, so I’d say they’re probably reliable.
For yrs I've thought my ears were out of whack but you just taught me that I was hearing correct.. 🤓
After I'd tune I'd strum a chord and adjust by ear because I could literally hear it out of tune even though it was tuned perfectly to the tuner..
Strange that tuner makers don't adjust for this...
Thank for this video 👊💥🙂
Hey Randy, got a guitar around half way through Covid and have watched numerous of your vids trying to learn this sweet science, thanks for being you buddy! Cheers from Canada! 🇨🇦🥸
Holy Crap! I took the time to test this, and it is REAL! Thanks Brother, a few years late, but you right!
thanks brother! I'm glad to hear it! and thanks for checking out my videos!
So glad I stumbled across your channel Randy......you show and teach things that people totally disregard that are important and overlooked.....awesome job dude!
Thank you man! I'm glad you found me too! I try to keep it on subject and explain it clear while keeping a little comedy in it too. Thanks for watching!
The exact cents will always depend on the neck of your guitar. Most of the error is from the bridge. What gypsies do, because they play a lot in the middle of the neck, is to tune the A 440 on the 5th fret of the E, then use octaves and fifths to tune the other strings, always using fretted notes.
Thank you for that information! I have been having success with a similar approach - basically tuning fretted notes to a pitch generator. I have been trying to find info on anyone else using this approach. This gives me a great lead!
That is one way to tune, but your 1st e string will always be too sharp.
@@TheIgnoramus That depends on your guitar. Some will be too flat on open chords. The goal is to have the best tuning possible on barred chords.
Hey Randy. Since watching your channel my house never sleeps but my guitar is in tune. Thank you.
I've known this concept for many years but never figured out exactly how many cents flat the tuning should be. I got close on most of it but you have it all figured out. Thank you very much!!! You will make my last years of guitar playing so much more enjoyable. P. S. the compensated nut theory is B.S. The thumbs down people are idiots and deserve to play out of tune.
yep, we know that when a string is in tune and when it's pressed down to make a note we are stretching that string slightly, so by using this tuning correct it just enough to make chords in tune better. lots of the big boys use this tuning but none hardly ever talk about it. thanks for watching!
Just wanted to say thanks. I got the app on my iPhone and my acoustic has never been in better tune; amazingly helpful video!!
Hey Randy. I have tuned pianos in the past, and I am aware of adjusting the cents as one tunes up and down the scale.
I never quite thought of this for the guitar until I saw this posting. Wow, thanks. This really does make a difference in the quality of the sound.
It really helps, no guitar in existence can be built or set up to intonate 100% on every string and every fret, that's where this tuning comes in, it helps compensate for that. Thanks for checking it out!
I love the guitar because it is imperfect like me,but this is a great way to be 'more' in tune over all.
BTW James Taylor said he wants his tuning back,.. ...(lol!)
Yes dude ! It seems to have given it some clarity and sparkle WOW!
Quick tip for a more practical approach: Tune every string exactly on an E! --
((first) E 0th fret / B 5th fret / G 9th / D 2nd (or 14th), A 7th, (last) E 12th fret). Kind of similar to your approach (-3/-6/-4/-8/-10/-12), but here the cent variations come from the notes you fret.
Can't say for sure where I got this from (Paul Davids?), but so far it worked great for most guitars and even (somewhat) evens out intonation issues (e.g. when 12th fret is sharp compared to open string due to wrong neck tension / bridge calibration)
So by doing that, you get the guitar closer to the sweet spot? Doesn't the tuner pick up the pitch of the string better when you tune with open strings?
The intonation would have to be perfect for this to work.
found this again, as the slip w the numbers disappered from my rack. An absolut worthwhile excercise and the sound is again creamy and full of timbre, thanx
thanks a lot! i had noticed this problem particularly on the B string not ringing very well with the G so i would drop the B and E a few cents but my friends thought i was just being silly. glad to know my ears aren't wrong.
I have to tune one of my guitars just as you said in order to make it intonate right. Weird how much difference there is in different guitars, like people lol thanks for viewing.
Great vid thanks - I don't guitarists talk enough about sweetened tunings and the massive improvements they can make
This will definitely help my heavier gauge strings ... And heavy-handedness ... Thanks
I must say a Big thank you for sharing this I,ve been playing since the late 50,s. I must try this on my banjo and mandoline,I dont think I,ll bother with the 12 string.Ha,ha. Thanks a million.
Hey man! That really seemed to help the overall sound of my guitar! I'm using a lowered tunning but it zeros back to dead center and the overall effect seems to be very good thanks dude man
Yes Randy... This little secret is used in most top recording studios.
There is an alternative way of doing this however as most people don't have "cents" tuners
First the science behind it..
When the string is first struck ... (The Attack) a note will be at its sharpest.
From then on the movement of the string will decrease (The Decay)
When 99 percent of people tune they will tune to the Decay.
But... We don't say to the audience "Wait a second, that note I just just played will settle (For example to 440) to the right note.
Thanks for hanging with me on this.... now hears the answer.
Pluck your strings as you tune at the same velocity you would when playing... And keep plucking .... say 2 times a second..... this will tune to the Attack of the note, which is what you want the audience to hear.
Try this.... and when you reference this, to the "Bonus" way you will see -3,-6,-4,-8,-10,-12.... (on a set of 12's) .... slightly different for 11's..... and when switching to electric guitar, because of thinner gauge strings being used and the sustain of notes the difference is tiny.
Hope this helps!
I`ve tuned my guitar for years thinking something isn`t right. With this new (Bonus) tuning it sounds right to me. I play along with a lot of hit songs from the last 60yrs and the guitars always sound a little different then I do with my 440 tuning , but not now. I found this Bonus Tuning by accident , I wasn`t even looking for it! I just played along with Peter and Gordon`s "A World Without Love! in E! I`ve played that song in 440 for years and today I played it with the Bonus Tuning! So today I thought it was me playing on the recording! Just Say `in! Thanks
great to hear Keith! this tuning works on about every guitar I've tried it on and makes a huge difference! lots of pro players use it but you never hear it talked about much. thanks for checking it out and thanks for checking out my videos!
This video changed my life. Brilliant!
A formula that works! Thank you!
Brother Randy!! I was able to do the flat tuning with my old tuner.. Wow!! What a difference!! Thank you, Sir!!
I've been aware of the tuning intonation problem for a long time now and always compensate by tweaking it, once I'm tuned to A 440, but wasn't aware of how to drop the cents for each string. Much appreciated Randy !
a lot of the big players do it, few of them ever talk about it tho. good luck man and thanks for watching!
You are a rock star. This is the first time I've tuned my guitar and been happy with it the first time all the way up the neck. I owe you a beer sir. Thank you.
just watched bonus tuning. great video! like watching your videos and hearing the music. Don't sell your self short, great picking under any circumstances. Thanks Randy. CHEERS!!
+soapbox geezer Thanks so much mate! I appreciate you tuning in and commenting! Cheers! :)
Recently subscribed to your channel Randy. You are one of the most friendly and informative RUclipsr's On line. Thanks for all you do!
Wow man, great vid. I never thought there would be so much to it. Very detailed. TYFP!
Ok. First off, I have always tuned straight to A440. After watching your previous vid talking about the bonus tuning, I could really begin to HEAR what you were talking about as I played my guitar & especially up the neck. Normally I just use a clip on tuner, which doesn't read in cents. I download the da tuner app for android, but was struggling a bit cuz the cent meter was just all over the place for me and I couldn't really tell exactly where I was. After watching this video I understand much better, also having better luck with pro guitar tuner app and tuning the actual guitar! You can really hear the difference with the tuning and can't believe I've never heard of this before! Thank you very much Sir Randy!! Very much appreciated (and so useful, as always).
+Ronnie Williams You're welcome Ronnie! I don't know why this tuning is such a big secret or why so many big players use it yet hardly ever speak of it. But it does indeed make a huge difference, especially up the neck chords! Thanks for watching and commenting I'm glad it works for you! :)
+Randy Schartiger It is very helpful! It would neat if you could somehow adjust the settings of the app to customize it to the cent. So when you tune and get that meter right in the middle/green, you are essentially under the correct amount of cents (if that makes any sense). I wish I knew a thing or two about programming lol. Thanks again!
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That's a very interesting thought! It sure would make tuning much easier. hmm I'm going to look into this, an app pr tuner you could calibrate each individual string, that would be awesome!
Thanks for tip on the PGT app ..I compared it's readings to my Tu3 and it has excellent accuracy.YOUR ROOM IS THE COOLNESS LEADER OF ALL GUITAR CHANNELS.
Your knowledge is amazing. Thank you for sharing it!
Thank you Faith! And thanks for checking out my videos!
This was one of those videos where i grabbed the note pad and wrote it all down thank you im sure this will be helpful .
Hi randy, I'm writing to you from Ireland, you have been a very good help to me in the past, whit your information about the guitar, I want to ask you a question, I have a vintage suzuk guitar, and I was interested in fitting a string butler on it, but I would have to fit it with screws, to the headstok because it's a vintage model,, I did here you say in your video, when you were fitting one, that you would not recommend, to fit a string butler, to the headstok, if it had to be fitted with screws,, could you please explain why, for I would be very interested, in your reasoning, yours respectfully my best regards Brian please keep up the great work, God bless you and yours
I remember saying that, the String Butler works well whether it's screwed onto the head stock or mounted normally to the pegs, the only reason I'm not for screwing them on is because drilling holes into your guitar could lower the overall value of the instrument. thanks for your support here on RUclips!
Randy Schartiger thank you randy, for your reply, I do appreciate it, and if that is the only reason for not using it, I'm quite contented to put one on, thanks again for your reply, always look forward to your videos, best wishes now and always, Brian :)
preciate the vid man i do alot of tuning by ear by matching the 6th string to the 5 string noting the 6 string on the 5th frfet and you do that all the way to the b string then go to 4th fret to match the g string etc. etc. aint tellin you shit you dont know already i know but by doing that AFTER i tuned to 440 i knew 440 wasnt exactly right i just didnt understand it im glad you straightened that out for me hell i was startin to think my ears had superpowers my papaw used to tell me that they was so big i could hear the sun come up in the mornin! ha ha i like yer videos btother i do im from east tennessee near holston mountain and its nice to get my guitar tech needs from a local and you gotta be not far from here lol
yep the ears can play tricks on us for sure! lol and you're right I'm not far from you in central wv. I get a lot of guitars from your state. thanks for checking out my videos.
You are an awesome player. Glad I discovered this channel!
Better late than never!
Thank you Randy. Trying that tonight.
Love that opening bit on the guitar.
Hey guy, thanks for further explaining the cent values. In your other video I wasn't grasping what you were talking about. This video explained it all and makes perfect sense. I am not very experienced as i took up Guitar a year ago. I play a Fender DG60 Acoustic and really love the sound it produces but the upper registers were not at the proper intonation. This tuning advice has it sounding much better. Thank you.
Thanks Hammer! I'm happy to hear my videos are of help. This tuning does help even on a guitar with bad intonation its a big improvement. Thanks again for viewing!
Randy, I too am glad I came across your videos. I am now subscribed. Quality! Thank you!
From an obsessive tuning perfectionist (violin, bass and guitar) thank you.
It's going to depend on your guitar and your strings. Ideally a guitar should be able to stay in tune up the neck if you're using the string widths that they had in mind when positioning the frets. If you have to tune down, your guitar may have been designed for thicker strings. Of course, there's no way to stay in tune up the neck when using a capo, because you're depressing the string in two different places, which will make it a lot sharper. So in that case I fret the most important notes in the song, and I tune those specifically for the song.
Randy, your bonus tuning works for my Taylor.. thanks again for your knowledge
good to hear! thanks for checking it out!
I found it is also easy to try to tune at 5th fret for all strings getting the reasonable intonation like it.
Once again I learn domineering from your channel. Thanks again
Man! I can't believe I never heard of this 😅
Totally blown away! Sir you are pure genius. I am going to see if this applies to 432 as well using the same cent intervals. Perhaps you have experimented with this as well? I am posting tbis comment without checking because I just had to thank you for this brilliant advice.
Randy, you do a great job... Love watching and learning . Keep it up. Oh and quit smoking. It's killing you. Oh, and I enjoyed your playing too. Thanks.
.......said George Burns who smoked like a chimney and lived to be a hundred. Others die of lung cancer at 50. You just never know.
You can smoke 10 ciggarettes a day without it having any negative effects on your health. Lack of excersise and junk food is far worse.
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Smoking is detrimental to the health of the majority of smokers. End of story
Let’s not get too personal.
Hey Randy. Have you ever played a Yamaha 365 F? I played a $20 cheese grater which I bought from money saved working with my mother at a flea market. My parents told me they weren't shelling out hundreds of dollars for a guitar if I was only gonna play it for a week and stick it in the corner!
They were also paying for Samurai karate, and Taekwondo plus ice hockey so I was really pushing their last button asking for an acoustic.
So I played that cheese grater for over a year when my father relented and my brother in law, who's 17 years older than I am, and who had got me interested in guitar and singing as he was great at both, took me to a famous guitar shop close to downtown Toronto called "The Trading Post" and we went through a bunch of acoustics there, but I couldn't find one that spoke to me.
Then my brother in law told me "hey kid, guitars can't talk" boy I felt the fool!
In the end he advised me to buy a used acoustic because I could get one in mint condition for at least half the price of a lesser quality new acoustic, and that made great sense to me.
So my BIL pick out a Yamaha FG365 F and I loved it! We bought that one. It came with a really solid flight case which I painted the Supertramp Crime Of The Century album cover on it! Stars in deep space and a set of bars with hands wrapped around them. It looked awesome! I always got compliments whenever I had that case out.
I got that guitar when I was about 12 or 13 years old. When I was 15 I had my own apartment and a job, and was mashing with a couple of great players from Montreal. I wanted an electric, and so I STUPIDLY traded that sweet Yamaha and case for an electric Ibanez...that salesman saw me coming, I got skinned! Of course I had no idea back then, but as the years went by I realized the goof saw a punk kid with a sweet Yamaha and case and he cheated me! LOL!
I filed that under "L.A.L.! Live and Learn!
I don't even remember what became of that electric, but one more quick sad ass guitar story.
So, I mentioned working with my mom at the flea market. I got a percentage of the sales and I got $25 one time and saved it till the next week where I was going to add it to whatever I made and buy something cool.
So I had just finished setting mom's tables up and she taught me to walk around early as venders were unpacking because you can get some great stuff before anyone gets to even look at it.
I walked around and headed straight for the military surplus guy who also often had legit WWII items battle worn. I bought a WWI officer's sword, British/Canadian helmet and a defused WWII pineapple grenade for $20 a couple of weeks prior. That sword alone is worth thousands today!
So I see something white in his pile of items ready to be set out, and I took a closer look and saw a really cool white electric guitar. He sold it to me for $25!
This was before I got the cheese grater so I was around 10 or 11 years old. I had no idea what that guitar was and thought it needed repairs because the bridge wasn't secured. So it sat in a corner of my room.
I moved out when I was 15 got a job and my own apartment with my girlfriend who was 19.
I had been playing guitar for a couple of years and started learning about them. One day I was reading a magazine and I saw this awesome white Gibson Les Paul Electric!! WHAT!!??
I called my mother to ask her to look at that guitar and tell me what the label on the head stock said, silence...MOm...NOOOOOOOOO!!!
But Yeeeeesssss! She sold it!!
Years later I was going through old family photo albums and was sickened to see the Gibson name on the head stock.
So that guitar was bought in either 1972 or 73. It was used, so I'd say it was a 1960's or early 1970s Gibson Les Paul!!
I still wanna barf every time I think about that guitar. Oh and she sold the sword, helmet and grenade also! LOL!!
She was heart broke when I quit school and moved out at 15 and I don't blame her one bit for selling that stuff. But even so...sniff...sniff..sniff...sniff..BWAAAHHH HAA HAA HAAAA!!
I'm going to buy another Yamaha FG365 F if it takes me ten years to find a mint one I tells yus!!
Hey great channel brother, I dig it!
Jack ~'()'~
Canada
My grandfather was a organist and choir master, I inherited two of his tuning forks,a C and A When playing in a band in the 60,s we used the C to tune our instruments.Much to my shock when electronic tuners came out I found the C fork was B it had gone flat with all the hitting
No, it's unlikely to have gone flat. If your grandfather played before ww2 than concert pitch hadn't been standardized. A 'C' note would have been a half step down (100cents lower.)
Everything was a semitone lower in pitch.
Need the golden ear, or ears
My 50 year old fork tunes exactly 440 Hz. Zero cents off, at room temperature.
This is the same tuning method James Taylor uses and he has a video about it too!
very cool! I know a lot of the big boys use it but not many of them ever mention it. thanks for checking out my videos!
You have mad skills for playing such a short time , Excellent.
The Steve Vai warm up!
I think that you should try a tuning that allows close to perfect fourths and fifths and maybe some major thirds. It's all about harmonies. A temperament tuning, like in Well Tempered pianos, should be tried.
Equal temperament is stupid because all harmonies but octaves are missing.
Maybe trying Vallotti Temperament on open strings would work best.
Set A4, fifth fret on the first string for 440Hz. Now tune the rest 5 strings for Vallotti temperament cents. I'm sure you're gonna love it
This is the first time I've ever heard this thank you
Can't wait to try this. Got to get a better (newer) tuner. My Seiko from 1980 has been a champ, but it's "old school" technology.
Thanks Randy ... this time yah learned me even more than you learned me the first time.
+Spreadswings A lot of folks wanted a demo of how to tune to this tuning and turns out it was a good idea I should have thought of in the first lace lol Thanks Spreadswings for stopping in, I'm glad this helped. :)
Really only makes sense. When you press on a string it will make it sharp from 440. I never thought of that before. Another good tutorial. And be a Simple...kind of man...Rock on Randy!
+Archie Bunker Exactly!!! Anytime you force a string from it's perfectly straight position it's got to go sharp, this works! :) Thanks for dialing in bro!
Depends which string and where you're pressing. That was very poorly worded Archie Bunker.
Yes, when you press a string down to a fret you stretch it as well as shortening its sounding length, which raises its pitch further. But this is compensated by the frets, which are placed to not shorten the strings by quite the mathematical interval required. The problem is a different one: with straight frets you can compensate perfectly for any given string, but not for different strings at the same time. Some compensation can be built into the nut and bridge as well, but the only way to get perfect intonation (for whatever scale you are tuned to) on every fret on every string, is by having irregular frets.
Continuing this logic for 12 string. String 2: -3, string 4: -6, string 6: -1, string 8: -3, string 10: -4, string 12: -6
I'm using a Taylor 315ce with 52-11 strings. My 2nd A (string 10) is a wound 22 and 2nd E (string 12) is a wound 26. It's getting close but still needs tweaking. (Any thoughts, Randy?)
Generally, the sympathetic resonances are stronger than I've ever heard on this guitar. And I'm not compensating by increasing tension with my left hand.. Thanks so much!
I tried this tuning on a Ventura 12 string and that guitar sounded
better than ever before! My friend who owned the guitar was afraid he
couldn't remember the cents to tune each string to so I wrote it all
down for him. It sounds like you're right on key! Pun intended =D I'll
admit it took me forever to get it in tune but once there we couldn't
believe out ears!
1st fret barres sound off with new Martin flexcore strings. I think the base strings (esp low E) should be a bit higher than recommended in the video because of the thinner core. The mid and trebles sound amazing. Now I really want to nail this (offset tuning) for this particular 12 string..
Interesting info , Randy and beautiful playing!
Greetings from Italy,
Cristina
+Cristina S Thanks so much Cristina! I'm finally getting my hands back! Hopefully anyways. Thanks for watching! Hope you're having a great weekend! :)
You're welcome, Randy.
Happy week end, my friend :-)
Hi Mr. Randy, that's a nice version of Simple Man. Thanks for the tutorial, will go back and try this again on my guitars. Have a great Sunday! Hooold Ooon!
+Suzanna Crawford My old hands were not wanting to co-operate so I had to quickly move onto something else lol Thanks you Suzanna for commenting and watching, try this tuning and let us know what you think! Hold on! =D
Downloaded the app on my iPhone! Will try this soon! Thanks for the tip!
This way to tune the guitar is working for me! Awesome! My guitar sounds much nicer now! Thanks man! Keep it up! Cheers!
Good one mate. I am not being nasty but cents is French and pronounced sonts! Weird= I know. As long as people realize that 60 cents + * a shrp or flat, 100 + a note. I can generally tune to within 3 cents per string by ear.
Anyway keep the growth of your RUclips channel going. TJ from Oz.
I'm sure this is entirely correct. But, if you play harp from a holder, you must tune to the harmonica for the key(s) you are using it in. If you move from the key of E to the key of G (and then use a G or C harp) you may have to retune slightly. I have always done this (since the 1950's), and have found no problem being in tune with a band. (Close enough for government work).
Yep, no difference than what he is saying.
I hope it's not too late, your shed is on fire!!!!
This 'sweet' tuning is also called the James Taylor Sweet Tuning Method. Taylor has a video on it. BUT! It's built-in as a present on Android's Playstore: Airyware Tuner. Also, Hi Randy!! Whoooooooo a.
Hi! I can't find the airyware tuner? Is it still up? Can you link it?
The way I see it the guitar intonations very well tuned that way. The only problem is that now the open strings are all flat. Now you need to compensate the nut to make the open strings right. Then your good all around. What do you think?
I'm really excited to see this. I'm interested in getting one of those "pro tuners". Right now I use a Peterson clip on tuner. I only use it as a safety net. I play jazz in many keys, so I'm interested in the pitch of every note, up the neck. I only tune the d string open- no other open strings. This is very exciting stuff- Thanks.
Very cool, I'm definitely going to download that app. Digging that lick. Rock on brother!
+guitarstruggles That's one if not THE most accurate tuning apps I've ever used and probably my very favorite if I had to choose just one, it's better than most tuners in fact. Thanks for tuning in brother cheers! :)
Just tried it with this app..sounds great..my physical tuner doesn’t have this smaller cents..lol
Randy thanks works real good.
Excellent
Wow! It actually works! Thanks so much for this!Subscribed!Greetings from England.
You're very welcome Derin I'm glad you find it helpful, and thank you for subbing! It is very much appreciated!
so i got the app my two guitars which i have been standard tuning to the 0 taking you advide it made both my guitars sound amazing at least i think it is it resonates waaaay better so thanks man.
You have a center of wealth of knowledge.,,, knowing and learning is what we search for/I Bow~
Really like that piece you did at the end of your video. I'm sure I'll watch it a hundred times trying it finger it, newbie to your channel I've learn About intonation from your videos witch made PS sounding guitar sound pretty Good!
thanks Dean! I made it up one time when I was just sitting around practicing. thanks for checking out my videos! :)
Well explained Randy, when you spoke of cents in the last vid I thought the term was made up, didn't realise it's the actual term. I like that tune at the end would love to hear it in its entirety, cheers me old mate. 😎
+Simon Bradbury I guess a lot of folks had never heard of cents when it comes to tuning, it's so tiny it doesn't get talked about much, 1 cent = 1/100 of a half step 1/2 step, or 1 fret, you could make a string go a few cents sharp just by squeezing the chords too hard, which is why this tuning is used so much. Thanks for watching and commenting Simon, I'll put in my notes to make a video of that entire tune, I wrote it several years ago and there's quite a bit more to it. Cheers brother!
sorry randy but a whole step equals 100 cents, not a half... time for a little correction there... :)
Awesome job. You are an amazing musician.
+Rosa String Works That means a lot coming from you Jerry, very much appreciated!
Nuts, I had the description typed in but my kindle decided to crap out on me and go back to your video. Anyway I called Sue at Peterson and she said to use the James Taylor sweetener for the acoustic guitar..Ain't that nice you can vary it in your guitar case too.
This tuning works fine for a solo guitar or if more than one guitar (with the same tuning) are played together. However in band work where keyboards are also used the guitar will be way out of tune with the keyboard. Also this tuning is not appropriate for playing in all keys. A better method if perfect pitch is required especially when open strings are involved is to tune to the A440 ref. Then use open string tuning to bring each string into perfect harmony. However this only works really well if the guitar is correctly intonated.
Use the big boys TC electronics polytune clip on, it is highly accurate in strobe mode to +/-0.02 cent.
Is that an HD-28? I like the golden yellow top on it! I don't know if that tuner you use works on Apple platforms, but for what it is worth, I use an app called ClearTune for Apple and it is phenomenal. You can tune by cents on it as well. I have a petersen strobe and checked it against it, and that app is dead-on. Appreciate the videos as always, Randy.
+Adam Wallen An HD-28 it is! :) It's a Dan Tyminski model from Martin's custom shop built in 2012.The top has really darkened from blonde in the last 2 years. Yeah some of those apps are shockingly good! The two I use both were spot on with my Peterson strobe too. Thanks for checking out my videos Adam it is greatly appreciated.
Thanks Randy! I will give that a try.
+Frank Morrow It's tedious and time consuming, but pays off on almost every guitar.
YOU SON OF A GUN!!! Now I'm going to have to tune 1/2 my guitars this way and 1/2 the other and go back and forth for an hour or 12 comparing the two. LOL! Great explanation of what you're doing.
+SkyScraper Guitars Oh and thanks for playing us out. I always enjoy that.
+SkyScraper Guitars lol it's enough to drive one crazy! :D Would love to know what you think once you've checked it out, it works on almost every guitar I've did it on, occasionally I run onto a guitar that doesn't like it but usually it's one that doesn't intonate well at all. Thanks for your comments and for watching mate! :)
There are PLENTY videos doing side by side comparisons on RUclips.
sounds pretty good. i'll try that. the intro playing was good too.
+BigEdWo Thanks BigEd, I think you'll find your guitars to sound a lot better up the neck especially.
Interesting this tip is worth Gold!
thank you Charles! and thanks for checking out my videos!
What about if you tune your guitar to 432 hz. Do the same instructions for the 'cents' increments apply?
yes, the very same! thanks for watching!
Thank again,will give this new tune a try
+George neilson Thanks George for your comment, let us know if this tuning works for you.
Informative and ear-opening Thanks, Randy
You're welcome Katana, thanks for watching!
Have you considered muting all the strings but the one your tuning at the time? So there's no trace sympathetic ringing interfering with the tuner?
Hi and thanks for this. Just wondering… what is your recommended tuner (budget if possible) for electric guitars.
I recommend Fat Tuner for tuning any instrument
What are the settings for a banjo??
Please post the theory behind this type of tuning compensation...or a link to such information...I really would like to know how those cent numbers were derived...
Thanks so much. Wow used Da Tuner and what a great sound!
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Why not put the list in the description like this buddy.
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Great video, Randy, as always! The lick at the beginning - did you play it in your earlier series of qucikcliplicks?
+Cesar Blues Guitar Thanks so very much Cesar! Yep sure did, my hands wasn't working too well at that time when I made that second series but yep that lick is in one of them. I might include it in the next series and another one very much like it. Thanks again brother!
love the augmented riff in the opening, oh yes you can use it in a song, ever listen to buckethead? lol.
I like that tuner app, looks much better than the one i'm currently using ☮
+Harry Timmons lol yep Buckethead probably already uses it in a song lol This is one of my favorite tuning apps, my other favorite is Da Tuner Lite but I use this one most. Thanks for stopping in brother cheers! :)