PC Cooling Submerged in 3M LIQUID?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- One of the most interesting things I have seen at #CES2019. This is a PC/Data Rack that is completely under liquid with a non conductive 3M liquid cooling! Can you imagine this pc cooling system coming to homes? Check out Unboxed here: unboxed.tv/signup
How exactly does this pc cooling fluid work? Is this the future of pc technology and cooling? While this is more geared towards servers and data centers lets hope this comes to the best pc cooling setups and be available to the public as the future of liquid cooling. Is this future pc technology or do you think we won't see this? Is 3m novec and mineral oil the real water cooling? #pccooling #pc
Is this the future of PC Cooling? I saw a few comments that said Linus already did this video but I never saw it! I just thought this was awesome technology when I walked by the booth so I wanted to share. I am not a PC Channel but I was blown away. Just making videos on things I found interesting and stepping outside of just Mobile Tech. Thanks for the support!
Been using it for years, we cool servers with 60C(Tin) water with it
This is not the same as what linus did. He made a system inside an aquarium and filled it with mineral oil. This new tech is a proprietary formula from 3M that probably has a much lower boiling point that of water or mineral oil, water boils at 100C which for most components would not be very good for the lifespan of the chips. This stuff boils off to dissipate heat and gets condensed back into a liquid. Pretty neat if you ask me. I've spent plenty of time in server rooms that have to be kept near 16C, tons of wasted electricity cooling the entire room 24/7.
You didn't even Introduce the dude talking, shit ass host
@@ChrisDK17 Amazing.
actually i ve seen this mechanism since 2009 yeah its great idea and it might be the future
Man... Being able to walk into a server bank without needing ear protection. That's living the dream right there.
Just being able to talk and hear on the phone LOL, it would be so nice!
Don't forget to bring your breathing mask though...
@@Argosh Ah yes, instead of cooling the machines individually, allow us to flood the whole room with it and just send people scuba diving when you need maintenance done
@@barackobusiness9593 Fucking lol !
Yea but you're gonna need diving gear.
Respect to the Gigabyte representative for being honest about it not being suitable for consumer use.
Imagine if that were invented by Apple
"Just 999$ for one drop of liquid"
I wonder whats the price of 1 liter of that liquid
@@yajnalgibno6536 mineral oil
240 dollar
@@rannz8 no, this stuff is 3Ms novec, it's expensive
This is a 3M Novec fluid. In my industry(fire protection), we use it for fire suppression for rooms with servers or other electronic equipment.
JuiceboxNine it is mineral oil, at least I hope it ain’t as expensive as novec
@@cryptopetshop7090 no it isn't mineral oil
@@cryptopetshop7090 this is not mineral oil. it's an improved method of mineral oil cooling, and with different liquid.
If I have a choice between 3m and some other brand, I chose 3m, no questions asked.
How much is it
The representative was so honest. It's rare and must be appreciated. ❤️
It's not water
One second later: This water
😂😂😂
My two hobbies; PC builds and aquariums. Now I can do both! :)
I'm not alone? LoL
Your fish won't last long in there, buddy 😂🐠
I wonder what the oil would do to the silicone holding your fish tank together... would suck if it just fell apart..
@@OdysseusAres5500 dont know until now we can fry fish in water itself .
Don't try this with water.
PLEASE DO NOT lol
@@dannywinget
How about ice cubes instead?
technically, it's perfectly possible with destilled water for short time, untel the minerals are leached from the board/metals and turn the water conductive again.
too late
texting from my phone
Well try it with demineralized water, but expect corrosion
Transformers are also cooled this way with transformer oil. We used mineral oil for PC cooling and it works, but mineral oil is flammable...
Yeah this looks better than mineral oil for sure.
Not strictly - the oil in transformers doesn't take heat away by boiling
i read that thinking that you were talking about optimus prime
@@mieszkogulinski168 it can... it just usualy results in massive fireballs
@@ilikecars4966😂😂😂😂😂😂
This thing is insane. It doesn’t matter if it’s new not new who covered it because it’s interesting AF.
@Elsa Debroglie The maintenance part shifts from the water loop to this loop. There's still going to be a pump, condenser and occasional top-up of the fluid.
@Elsa Debroglie the liquid is boiling inside the closed chamber, it still have to condense back into liquid form or 1. open air design, top up the liquid every few minutes and being too expensive and too much maintenance 2. closed chamber, build up of pressure in the chamber and risk of explosion. so while it's true that inside the chamber there's nothing to maintain, my concern stands in that there has to be a cooler outside to turn the gas back into liquid. it's not encased in massive heat sinks at the show. so I'm wondering what kind of technology are they using to remove the excess heat.
imagine tiny submarine drones traveling at random, flashing rgb lights
It would be kind of hilarious to put some fake fish in there too.
@@andmicbro1 kek indeed
This is very cool. This liquid has some amazing potential with these properties.
The non-stick factor is just the icing on the cake. Immersion might finally be possible without making a hellish mess out of everything.
I doubt it will ever be mainstream outside of perhaps big server farms, but I sure hope that the cost of the compound eventually goes down to the point where it's viable for enthusiasts to play around with it. I sure would love to :)
Shared the video with my dad, an IT security specialist (to underrate him greatly) ... this was his reply:
We used it years ago, in one of the systems I worked on...
It was FC-77.
your dad owned you yet again lol
That was Novec, probably Novec 7100. FC-77 is what the Crays used 30 years ago. Novec is better in a couple of ways. :)
The CRAY-2 supercomputer from Cray Research used this technique back in 1985!
slightly different in the boiling factor. the boiling helps remove the heat and increase circulation.
@@brycering5989 yep, latent heat of evaporation, it takes a decent chunk of energy (heat) to make a substance change state (in this case from liquid to gas)
cray used fluorinert...is this the same?
That's cray.
Now I know why Intel put "lake" at the end of their names.
Wait... That actually makes sense... I'll have whatever "foresight" juice you had.
Those GPUs are Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC 8G (GV-N2080GAMING-OC-8GC). Dunno why he wasn't allowed to say what they were.
Sekret documents comrade
Because this was back in January
2080’s weren’t out when this video was filmed/published
Maybe it's sponsoring a graphic card not made by them
Was this particular model out?
I can imagine these fluids being used in a completely passive cooling loop. The only thing needed that to work is for cpu/ gpu blocks that won't vapor lock with convection flow.
"its too expensive for consumers"
listen, this is the pc gaming community, if someone released a case designed for building with this and said "you just need to pay $2000 for the fluid itself" people would still buy it, especially pro streamers since this would be the quietest system in the world
Definitely! You would also require a lot less since you won't need 15 gpu's
yeah for real, some guy was talking about how they put this into fire suppression systems in servers. They have enough of this somewhere to just spray it all over a room a couple liters of it is for sure within some autistic pc gamer's price range
Dry Water is what it has been nicknamed. Amazing stuff.
It does not conduct electricity, and it does not corrode metal. The only downside is the boiling point is so low, it boils quickly, so your cooling solution must be beefy to counter that.
Some smaller applications could be done with this liquid. Could possibly have a case that fits only the GPU and liquid, and the liquid gets pumped to radiator. It would be better than the current liquid cooling method because the GPU is entirely submerged.
it would probably be cheaper as well bc you wouldn't need a water block.
This Novak is awesome. A non electrically conductive, non corrosive, non toxic and environment-friendly liquid? I am not super up-to-date, but that alone blows my mind. Yes please! Make more of it and put it into lots of datacenters.
Finally! I’ve seen photos of this everywhere and couldn’t find it. Thanks for showing it.
This was done back in 2000-2001 in a non conductive oil. This is nothing new at all.
No more dust cleaning on the pc itself... I need this.
ikr!..u just need an extra space for it tho
You occasionally have to clean it out
Sure, 3M is just 240 Bucks per Litre. CHEAAAAAAPPPPP :D
Much better to horde buckets in the living room to swap a part....
and than my wallet is going dusty
Probably not so fun to drain and work on server/s...Bring the bucket, we have another server down! Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah that’s where costs come in. Supposedly you dont have to change the liquid until you update the parts so it’s interesting
@Smarmy Fellow Why would it be? just pull it straight up, swap the hardware over the tub, and plunge it straight back in.
Truly by far the best water cooling liquid. Freaking awesome!
My pc is running at 70c right now watching this video... need this ASAP
Most incredible way to make cooling, and way useful
3m Novec is dry water
From another youtuber in Russia who bought some, it cost him $150 for two litres of it
It's boiling temperature is 40°c so you can put your hand inside the boiling liquid and not get any burns
I just watched the bubbling coming off the chip while listening to the commentary.
FC-72(Fluorinert). US Navy's been using this, or its earlier equivalent, since the late 70s.
They are two unique heat transfer fluids developed by 3M. Similar but different.
Just thinking about the space saving potential. I know it takes a bit of space right now as a demo, but just look at how much space is saved with those graphics cards stacked with a few millimetre gap between them, amazing. That could be really cool for an overclocked system, especially considering you could reach sub zero cooling with a chiller no longer needing to worry about condensation. Very cool video, thanks!
I work at a data center so not having to hang out in a room blasting A/C would be nice. I can't imagine replacing parts would be fun though.
Imagine how much (even) better it would be with passive heatsinks on the chips...
he said they deliberately took the heat-sinks off, maybe the chips run too cold with them on in this fluid?
2:20 "Somethin' new I bet" Man already knows😂
The science behind this is not new. But heavily improved 👍
Once the price has lowered enough to the point where fan electricity cost would be more expensive than the liquid, this will be game changing
READY FOR THE 4090 FISH TANK BUILD
Wow I really want this but on a smaller scale
Incredible! Imagine the potential applications of this product
Maan I need that technology ASAP
Seriously. I can imagine the builds with this.
Cough cough Linus and his Mineral oil build
From a technological standpoint, this is as different from Mineral Oil cooling as Liquid Cooling is to Air Cooling.
In computer years: Flintstones' car to a Tesla.
The convenience offered by Novec is unmatched. Did you see how difficult the mineral oil pc was to clean? Dear Lord.
Mineral oil disintegrates plastic. Mineral oil PCs are gimmick builds, the maintenance is too high to be worth it for average consumers or the average DIY builder.
Wow! I'm sure if there's a market, we'll see it in the future.
Great vid', Danny! Thank you!
I can imagine data centers buying public pools to house new servers.
Some guy submerged their computer in mineral oil years ago with some pretty good results, I recall
Works with mineral oil too, its also non conductive and is the cheaper old school version of submerged systems.
Mineral oil is carcinogenic. Might bother some people...
@@ProfezorSnayp Untreated mineral oil is, but you can do the same thing with Baby oil.
It's a nasty messto clean up if you ever need to replace parts
@João M. It is inferior because it costs 400 dollars a damn liter
@@londonnight937 yet there are zero data centres using mineral oil...
This is absolutely mindblowing
He referred to the liquid as a floural compound, which is freon. This is apparently a high molecular weight freon that boils at a much higher temperature than the freons used in refrigerators and AC. The bath felt warm to him (100°F - 120°F?), which suggests that the boiling point of the liquid is around that temperature. Since the bath can never exceed the boiling point of the liquid and since heat transfer to liquid is very efficient, all components are kept near that relatively cool temperature.
Liquid is probably Novec from M3 available for consumers for few years. It have around half of thermal capacity of water and it evaporate in much lower temps than water.
yes that be great idea make one for pc home computer case full of kind of type liquid cooler system stay easy !
me on the future overclocking my cpu to 10ghz with this cooling system
Before anyone gets any idea's, that stuff cost about 600 a gallon, and its generally sold in large drums or 44lb containers. So unless you got a multimillion dollar supercomputer you need to cool your kinda SOL.
buy in bulk....Novec 71DE Engineered Fluid - 55 lb Drum
Novec 71DE Engineered Fluid - 55 lb Drum
Sale Price: $1,311.00
This would be so great for gaming the gaming community 🙏
Wooow this is so cool, also could be really cool for movie sets and stuff
So, the gentleman states in the video that he was not allowed to name the graphics card. However, we already have knowledge on who the manufacture could possibly be, as well as which card was used. For starters, we can tell that the manufactures are most likely NVIDIA. The way were are able to tell this is by looking for the SLI & Crossfire configurations. AMD no longer uses Crossfire sense the release of their Radeon RX and Vega series, and only NVIDIA uses the design of the NV-Link, which are seen on these cards. We are also able to tell that the cards are not exclusive due to the fact that each of the cards individually are only provided with 8GB of V-Ram. This is just a couple of the observations I made during this video.
This is a different level of a spill, if you drop your liquid cooled pc.
Only drawback is that the fluid costs a fortune. There will be gradual losses so you will need to top it up from time to time.
Fluorinert FC-3284 and FC-72 are the most appropriate having a boiling point of 50/56C.
14lb/5kg-1gal/3.79L of FC3284 at chemworld-com is ~800$.
The tech itself has been around for 50y or so.
Yeah it’s pricey. Hopefully overtime it gets cheaper
The future is here
Fan this is really cool for supercomputer data processing.
Man, my PS4 needed this lmfao! Oh well...
The DOLLAR BILL GOT ME HOOK ON THIS NOW!! WOW!
This must be some neptune technology. There gonna move into the oceans.
You can use steam turbine for electricity generation at the top of this setup😊
This is a structural change in network computing.
Der Bauer did the same thing for gamescom 2017 on a consumer system
'It's not water...' It's distilled water.
Probably some other clever chemicals in there too. It's not sticking to dollar bill!
3M Novec, not water.
“It’s not water, we’re emerging the whole thing in water.”
Me : say that i want to use my pc for rendering
Mom : hey kids, can i cook my egg in your pc ?
ngl this is pretty fucking cool
Think about the extra space you save getting rid of fans. This could allow for multiple gpus in a motherboard
The day this is possible in laptops will be an amazingly advanced day.
Or just in gaming computers in general
I can already picture Linus or Gamer Nexus trying to get one of these
" ARE YOU READY FOR A TRUELY SILENT HOME PC?!, SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?, WELL IT ISN'T, so lets take a look, after a word from our sponsors--"
Can't wait to see Linus drop one of these!
Do metals never leech into the fluid and make it conductive? That would be my concern for longer term operation.
its a totaly inert fluid, it doesnt ionize and cant react with metals
when the car is under full load
now we get a data centers worth of iU servers and fill a swimming pool with this stuff and just lower the servers into the pool imagin the space-saving and electricity reduction
Next lvl watercooling.this is way better then playing with tubes and fans.its dust free and the hardware is cooled and look very nice bubble bath.where to buy this liquid?
id be the first person in the world to spill my pc if i got one of these
Fluoro based _and_ environmental friendly? Sounds unlikely
it's OK as long as you don't spray it into the ozone layer
Probably why they kept repeating it.
meh, it's 3M making it, they know their chemical magic
Check out The Devil We Know on Netflix...HIGHLY doubt 3M produced something environmentally friendly.
I can't say it is chemically environmental friendly, but if it consumes less energy, it is environment friendly in a way
The smart thing to do is reuse that heat by generating electricity with it. A data center puts out a lot of heat and that can reused.
@Mike Studmuffin check out grand tour. They did it once
Awesome to see this idea first in my head and now coming to reality. Hmmm, is somebody stalking my brain somehow? xD
So this was definitely a hype? I wish it would have worked on consumer custom pc's!
1:58 dude grabs his cup 🤣
I've done mineral oil cooling before, but novec is so much better... Wish I could get ahold of some, but it's rare to see outside of commercial installations and when you do its ~$100 per liter!
Can you drink that?
@@aria.e Novec is toxic so yes. But only once.
Cyberpunk 2077
Mom I Evaporated my cooler.
Don't worry we have another cooler at home.
@ about $1000 gallon still less expensive then some PC cooling solutions
He is not allowed to say it while everyone already knew there were 16x RTX 2080 because of his colleague
Yes I did hear that after I made this video lol
@@dannywinget RTX 3000s
That much? Imagine the frames
Oh yeah. I used to put my coffee cup outside the store as well.
My question is if the liquid degrades over time and if so at what rate
Also, how much better is it than mineral oil, aside from not getting the component wet...
My initial assumption is that mineral oil is a better choice as it's far denser and thus should be more efficient at absorbing heat. Also, mineral oil does not evaporate at the temperatures generated by even the hottest pc components, meaning you won't need to worry about vapor/pressure/condensers and all that. If I were to build a "wet" pc, I'd go with mineral oil, 100%. With that, this 3M liquid offers a huge benefit of not sticking to surfaces it touches, meaning that swapping components should be far, far easier than if they were submerged in oil.
@@andreirachko Quick answer, but no, mineral oils are not denser (usally less dense than water) but the Novec is around 1,4-1,6 the density of water.
Heat capacity is probably in the same ballpark but mineral oils have a high boiling point, therefore no extra energy gets extracted from the system via phase change. Novec seems better in most regards but is hella expensive.
@@NoSkillsNoFun I see, thanks for informing me
this could be a cool aquarium
Finally... RTX Minecraft + shaders in 4K 60FPS
This is super interesting for servers
If only science fiction could have predicted this.
This would be great for mining rigs
Damn, they are even better at speaking english than us. The take over is almost complete lol
I wonder if you can use the 3m liquid if you got a fully sealed block and just have it on the cpu chip so the water makes direct contact.
Idk what is the fuss about. I am using dichloromethane bath to cool my pc since 2004 and it works marvelous.
Whats that?
You can use mineral oil and do the same thing. Or if you can de-ionize water, you can use h2o - perfect h20 doesn't conduct either.
So, when you don’t know the specs just say “ im not allowed to say” and you will get along
It's non toxic?
*So I can cook my spaghet in it?*
non toxic doesn't mean no flavour.
I have done similar builds using fish tanks and mineral oil.
This is exactly what I need!