Did play it (won't say which version of course) but I did play funny how people had problems with the pachinko level took me only two tries before I got the shine but I definitely agree about the blue coins couldn't 100% the game cus of it among other few frustrations😒 but in the end it was a fun time if they make a remake of this I'll definitely double-dip JUST for the fixes alone.🔧
I've played it on Dolphin, it's a really fun game that is much more skill based than the other 3D Mario games but I found the controls a little slippery and I don't like those "Secret of the insert mission location here" because again the way Mario moves in this game, he's a little jittery and you can easily slip off the map by simply moving and the fact that Fludd can't help you makes the secret of the x missions harder. I think they would be much better in Super Mario Galaxy because Mario can simply get air boosts by spinning with would make these stages better but they're pretty annoying in this game.
I don't know. I find Sunshine's control just as wonky & slippery as 64. The only thing it improved on was the analog camera & movements. But even those don't help because they are just as unresponsive and the camera has an mind of it's own sometimes
If this is the Switch version, you forgot to mention one thing- all six languages are available for Sunshine, meaning you have plenty of options in case foreign friends come over. Greek is not one of them sadly, but four other European languages (FIGS) and Japanese are included.
You hardly have any control in that game 64 and Odyssey give you more control. It's a painfully obvious when you play the floodless levels. I still really like the controls though I'm not dissing them.
If you press z on the gcn controller there is a map that will tell you how many blue coins you have in each area. I dont understand why people pretend there is no way to track how many coins you have.
Yeah, but it’s not very useful when it doesn’t tell me which act I need to go to in order to get the blue coins. It telling me I have 29 blue coins in bianco hills isn’t helping me find that last blue coin
It's also the most frustrating & tedious 3D Mario game as well. Kinda an shame because the game does have potential. But it was really rushed and most content were scrapped.
Sad rushed development cycle, similar to Wind Waker. I probably don't want "Sunshine 2" but I hope in the future we get another Mario game with an island theme. I think it could actually work well for the first open World Mario. The Sunshine levels are beautiful and each one looks like idyllic paradise while also being distinct.
@@Nicefisher Odyssey kind of is, but it isn’t one large area like the last two Zeldas or Bowser’s Fury. In the latter games I mentioned, you can literally travel on foot (or by sea via Plessie) and explore through a large continuous world until you arrive at your destination. Odyssey does not work like this. If I want to go from the Sand Kingdom to the Wooded Kingdom, I have to quit the Sand Kingdom, go back to the world map, and then let the game load up the Wooded Kingdom. Its many areas are literally broken up. They’re not all merged together into one continuous map.
personally games don't need a big reward for 100% completion because the fun should come from the journey and just getting anything i can use to proof i did it is good enough
What hurts the most is that this could've been a masterpiece, a game for the ages. Rushing it did so much damage. You can also see it was rushed when appreciating the final Corona Mountain level, it feels weird and out of place. Fortunately, most flaws, as you mentioned, are for getting 100% and not just beating the game and its levels. Hopefully one day, we can get a sequel, but I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile, Super Mario Sunburn will do. Great video and detailed analysis of my favorite 3D Mario game of all time. The immersion is second to none.
I'll be honest, I kinda fell off the Demeech train for awhile there. But watching this reminded me why I enjoy these videos, and I hope to see more soon!
Thank you so much demeech I've been waiting 2 years for this. Sunshine is my most played 3d Mario game I've played this replayed game almost every months but I stopped replaying dues I messed up my old switch internal fan because it cold but overall it worth the wait again thank you so much for this video I'm hoping you to do other 3d mario games soon.
You think Florida is hot? Ready for 110 in October for AZ! We don’t have a beach, just sun. Sun sun sun. Yippee. Btw great video man! They just get better and better.
My biggest gripe is the blue coins only appearing in certain stages of levels forcing you to slog through every nook and cranny multiple per level… or look up a guide due to boredom
Can't wait for this one!! Sunshine's always been one of my favorite Mario games (don't @ me) so I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it!! EDIT: There's just no way the pinball machine level is worse than the lily pad ride.
@@Demeech the lily pad level itself AND the method of reaching the area are both tedious as hell. and to think that you have to bring yoshi to the island EVERY SINGLE TIME. they could've so easily clogged the pipe with a pineapple like with the one for sirena beach. that way you'd only have to do the yoshi stuff once.
@@perrytheplatypus4620I agree. Lilly pad ride is way worse because you have to bring Yoshi EVERY time with you. He has a time limit for some reason to so you have to be quick while waiting for thr boats. Worst level design in mario history imo
I first tried it (and 64) in 3D all stars but I couldn’t get a hang of the controls and platforming so I gave up on it after about 10 sprites. Tbf I felt the same about 64 tho.
After watching Skawo's playthrough, I realize that several things in Super Mario Sunshine kinda aged poorly as Skawo brings up several issues with the gameplay. That being said, for its time, it was much better than its peers as most games in the genre tend to feel half-baked with a lack of challenging platforming (double jumping on strict railroads), tedious combat system, and sometimes, hopping on the trendy bandwagons. Meanwhile, Super Mario Sunshine did just one thing: Be a good platformer.
I played Odyssey and sunshine both before I played 64 and Odyssey feels like a better version of 64 however Sunshine feels different and I've never played the Galaxy games so I can't comment.
@paulgilbert5278 Well not all Mario games are great. And Sunshine follows that category. There's also Mario: Strikers: Battle League, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash & Paper Mario: Sticker Star; which are even worst than Sunshine IMO.
@Jack_Horner Oh boy. I'm so sick of how people tell me I lack skill issues and other crap. It's not even that. The game is poorly design because of how rushed and inconsistent the game is. Pachinko & Watermelon missions aren't the only bad ones. The Blooper Surfing, the entire Hotel Delfeno missions in Sirena Beach, the Chuckster mission, the ones without Fludd... Not all missions are bad. But there's still plenty of them and it has nothing to do with the lack of skill. That's how the game is design.
I always felt crazy for not liking sunshine at all im glad im not the only one. People say they play the game every summer, ive tried beating it 3 summers in a row its such a chore, I end up just turning it off
I get you. No matter how many times I get good at it, the game always find an way to screw me over and it's not because of my lack of skills. This game has really bad physic and level layout that felt frustrating & tedious rather than fairly challenging.
@jaretco6423 I agree the physics are horrible, I don't understand why people think Mario's controls in this game are on par with oddesy, I can't stand how he controls in this game he is way too slidy. Also I agree the level design is bad too it feels so amateur and not well thought out, those levels where shadow mario takes your flood away literally feel like a fan game and not a good one at that.
@@LincolnAKAVenox The sad part is that I see the potential the game has. It could've been better if they had more time to complete and polished the game up more. But it wasn't. This is one game that seriously needs an full remake makeover.
I loved Super Mario Sunshine, I have fond memories of playing it on my GameCube. As soon as I got 3D All Stars I booted Sunshine up and it did not live up to my memory of it. Gameplay was pretty clunky and some stages just weren’t fun. Overall it was a good concept that needed another six months to a year of polish.
Funny how I had the opposite reaction I hated sunshine as a kid because it was a 3D game and 2D games are way better. And then the DS games like Metroid prime Hunter and phantom hourglass sucked and I thought all video games were going to go 3D and 2D games would go the way of the dodo. I didn't hate every 3D game but that was my mindset most of the time. When I got 3D All-Stars I was able to have more fun playing Sunshine because I wasn't just thinking 3D game crap and actually gave it a fair shake.
Even if I'm not fan of your video style (and your opinions/The way you tell them), I must admit, nice cloathing choice and beard. The end photo in Sunshine for the 100% is neat, even if it ain't as good as having access to the castle roof and find Yoshi, the Luigi campain, or the bonus worlds in 3D World... Still wanna play Sunshine one day, whatever if it's via emulation or a off-hand copy of 3D All-stars.
Really good video on this game. I was honestly expecting you to complain about blue coins being too hard to find for 10 minutes, but the point about then just being filler is a very good point. You said those shines from blue coins could just be a new area or two, it just so happens that I'm pretty sure one or two areas didn't make it to the final game. Also huge respect for saying Sunshine is better than 64, not many people want to ever admit that
tl;dw 30fps, a few subjectively hard areas, too many blue coins of unkown location, some areas don't have 100 coins. seems like someone got tilted by pachinko
I haven’t played sunshine too much, but from what I played, it was pretty dang fun, I’m in Ricco harbor, so I’m looking forward to beat the game!! Anyways I can’t wait for this, I’ve been waiting since you announced it 🤩😄😎
It's very rough & glitchy in many areas. So I wouldn't start with this as your first 3D Mario game or Mario game in general. There's better games than this.
@@jaretco6423 i mean i couldn’t reach to gusty garden because of school!! Now i finally played and omg it’s my favorite galaxy so far man ❤ The only thing i’m struggling with is the boss 😅
Honestly I LOVE the blue coins. Encourage exploration. I mean its no different than all the obscure odessey moons. I loved that too. But i do get the hole untrackable issue of it.
The game *WAS* rushed. It only took about 1.5 years to develop, when 64 took between 2-3 years (closer to 3) and Galaxy 1 took about as long as 64. Galaxy 2 took 1.5 to 2 years to develop… but the first Galaxy laid the foundation for Galaxy 2. If they wanted to realize their concept, they should've let the game cook for at least another year… but I understand going nearly 2 years without a Mario game on their flagship home console was out of the question. They learned their lesson with Sunshine, though. Hence why Super Mario 3D World wasn't as bold/ambitious as many would've hoped. That game also had a 1.5 year development cycle, but they chose to play it smart and go for something less ambitious… but incredibly polished. It's also why Odyssey, being a much bigger game, was able to more successfully realize this open 3D concept as a much more polished experience. That game had over 3.5 years of development time. This gives me hope for the next 3D game in the series. The 3D Mario team hasn't released any new standalone games since Odyssey… which was almost 7 years ago. Assuming the next game is a launch title for Switch 2, it will be the exact opposite of a "rushed" game, even with Bowser's Fury happening in 2021. 7-8 years is a very long time…
I love this game to death, but would never ever recommend anyone to 100% this game. In fact, I would actively advise against it. Basically, this review reflects my thoughts on this game exactly. I guess one extra aspect that you didn't touch on is that I love all the NPCs that are spread throughout the world. You don't see that in any other 3D Mario except a bit of Odyssey. They are always talking about stuff related to either the current episode you are in, or leading up to a future episode. And even if you never talk to them, seeing all the locals talking, dancing, and running about makes the worlds feel like lived in locations. The only world that needed more NPCs was Pinna Park. Why was a theme park so empty??
Super Mario Sunshine is just as old as me, it released on August 26, two days after my mom had me in the Riverside hospital in North America. (I also played it on the Dolphin emulator earlier in the year)
Something that is very sad that happened to me: I was THREE blue coins away from 100% in SMS. But I couldn’t find those even if I looked up a guide. So the hurtful thing I had to do… was to reset the save file to 1 shine. RIP
I knew going into this and the title that the Blue Coins would be the thing that ruined this game to an extent, I also was hoping Demeech's Fury returned, I wasn't disappointed
As someone who played this as their first game ever, Super Mario Sunshine holds a place in my heart which I often return to while still being able to enjoy it. This is due to the movement that is just so fun and rewarding which always makes me want to return to it while having a blast. As for the dreaded jank, it's definitely something I acknowledge but still can overlook while the blue coins are definitely a low however, I still love this game regardless of those issues.
Anyone remember when Super Mario 3D World was considered the black sheep of the 3D Mario games, until we realized at its core, it's still a very fun game to the point where a Switch port was highly requested? Super Mario Sunshine however, while having its fans, is still very divisive. I personally would more than welcome a mod that fixes many of its problems, but it would be better if Nintendo could do it themselves with a remake, rather than what they did in Super Mario 3D All-Stars.
What? There some people considered 3D World the black sheep of the 3D Mario games? I thought the game was awesome even before it gotten ported to the Switch to make it even better and I always figured Sunshine was the black sheep of 3D Mario games.
@@jaretco6423 I only assumed it was thought as at one point, because it didn't really innovate in regards to 3D platformers outside of the addition of 4 player co-op. That and it was apparently an expanded sequel to Super Mario 3D Land on 3DS. But it was still a great game, made even better when brought to the Switch with the addition of Bowser's Fury.
You'll hate me for this, but hey, it's only an opinion, right? ;) Calling this game better than 64 is blasphemy, and I refuse to tolerate Super Mario 64 slander of any kind. Sunshine at its core is a very good yet flawed game. While I would love a remake of 64 done in the style of Odyssey, Sunshine's definitely more deserving of a remake. Its core issues come down to a lack of polish, the Blue Coins, certain aggravating missions, and slippery controls. But I think Sunshine has aged worse in some aspects than 64. 64 hasn't aged the best either, and the camera is awful, but if there's one thing I'll say and you'll probably disagree with me, is 64's movement was smooth and the controls were excellent for it. I have suffered a few rage-inducing deaths thanks to Rainbow Ride and certain aspects that require the Wing Cap, but overall, 64's just a better experience in terms of movement and polish. I feel it gets a lot of unfair criticism when Sunshine's issues are more in your face and it feels rougher overall to go back to. It doesn't help that the followup games are just better, Galaxy 1 & 2 and Odyssey. Now take back what you said about 64, or I'll go cry on Twitter that I'm *sigh* publicly unsubscribing from you because I'm just a backdoor Grumpus that can't handle someone having an opinion. Now pin my comment, that's an order! Lol Do it and we can enjoy some LiveWire on the beach. You do get some brownie points for praising Yoshi. :)
The blue coins ruined it.... Nintendo just should have created 4 more missions and ended at 100...no law states it needed 120 shines because it 64 had 120 stars.
At first I loved this game. I was having a great time playing it but unsure how to progress. I think I am near the end of the game but can't figure out what I am supposed to do next. Preposterous.
As someone who started and grew up with SM64 and its DS remake, Sunshine was the only 3D Mario I hadn't played by 2013. And I still haven't beaten Bowser in it, every time I try to give it a go its jank overwhelms me and makes me ragequit, even on relatively tame missions. I don't like that you have way less flexibility with which shines you go for, as you have to beat the Shadow Mario mission in every stage which requires a completion of all the ones preceding it. If there was simply a number of Shines to get that unlocked the final level I'd have very likely made way more progress and probably completed the story by now. I think another reason Sunshine's jank bothers me so much more than SM64's is because SM64 had simpler level design to accommodate for it, while Sunshine's level models are way more complex, leading to way more potential ways the game can jank out. And i swear it always puts its worst foot forward whenever I play it. It's still the only 3D Mario I have not beaten the main story of.
What is this jank some people keep saying Sunshine has? Outside of the few painfully broken levels like the pachinko machine (which are all optional anyway), the majority of the main levels play just fine. They're a bit more difficult than other 3D Mario games, but that's honestly refreshing. Mario's controls and the camera, while not perfect, are a significant upgrade from 64. As for disliking how linear the game is, that's valid, but is a bit nit-picky in my opinion. It's fine to prefer a more open sandbox, but it shouldn't ruin the game for you since most of the game's main levels are good.
Idk if it’s true or not but I heard that this game was “rushed” to helps gamecube’s sales. I still like the game btw despite the glitches etc. The only think I don’t like is the amount of blue coin in the levels
Sadly, alot of GameCube games were rushed. Even some great ones like Metroid Prime, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Luigi's Mansion were rushed due to show just how powerful the system is and couldn't add more context. Although Metroid Prime & The Thousand Year Door has enough content already and plays well. And honestly, I don't find the GameCube that powerful.
@paulgilbert5278 Yeah. That's true. But as the same time though, most GameCube games were rushed. Leaving some games to be some of the glitches on the system or halve baked on the system.
The things that caused Sunshine to slide into mediocrity are the broken physics (which usually become more noticeable without FLUDD and really show their colors at the pachinko machine), a camera that at times can be worse than the one in Super Mario 64, blue coins being tedious to collect and an over-reliance on them to get all the shines (no doubt some of the blue coin shines were originally intended for Coronoa Mountain), not having the freedom with which shines to tackle to unlock the final level, and the game generally having a very troubled development cycle.
There are not multiple king boos!!! The king boo we see in the luigis mansion games is the same one from the mario games, except that he is being corrupted by the dark jewel on his crown. This dark jewel is the reason why king boo appears more menacing, violent and more powerful than in the mario games that feature him, which presumably take place after the luigi mansion games. The black jewel could possibly be the one frome Wario World or even a piece of the dark moon, seeing as how it corrupts ghosts turning them violent. As for the king boo in Mario Sunshine, that is just an imposter created by the magic paintbrush made by E Gad.
I personally love the game; the music is great, going through the tunnels below is a really cool mechanic, and flood is fye from skyward sword done right Edit: the game is clearly rushed though; the pachinko machine alone needed 6 more months of development time
Most of these comments really come down to people not being able to handle the controls. Guys all it will take is maybe 30 mins tops of just messing around in game to have a decent handle of them. Also Lily pad is harder than pachinko
I wish I understood your little in-jokes and references in each of your videos but alas, I do not. Haven’t been following your channel that long. Your criticisms are mostly pretty fair and valid even if I think the Lily Pad level is FAR worse than the Pachinko one. Dece review!
They aren’t hard, but they are pretty poorly designed at times. The panchinko level is the prime example of this, whilst it does take skill to beat, it doesn’t communicate what it is doing half the time. How is the casual player meant to know it will restrict your aerial movement up until you start descending? How is the player supposed to know that one (1) mistake will cost you the entire mission due to the awful hit detection? The game doesn’t tell you, so what’s the player supposed to do? Die and get frustrated until they pick up on the mechanic or do what Demeech and I did and just send it ‘till we got lucky and beat it? Good ideas on paper, but sunshine’s jank makes it frustrating as hell.
@@OutFreak28 You may be able to learn about the pachinko level through trial and error, but it is poorly designed and janky which puts the odds against the player and demoralises them. You can’t blame the player for getting frustrated at a poorly designed level. Bad level design is bad level design regardless of whether the player has a “skill issue” or not.
I mean this was 2002 barely a year after it’s release. So Nintendo didn’t have the hindsight of the GC being a failure they just had to pump out games to keep up.
I still say Sunshine is the worst 3D Mario game ever made. 3D Land may not be all spectacular to most people and some might say it's the worst one. But I disagree. Because at least it's more polished and actually has solid gameplay & level designs. And the fact it evolved the gameplay into even greater when 3D World came out and does it way better, that's an accomplishment. Sunshine could've been like 3D World did where it took it's predecessors; Mario 64, and improved on. But not only did Sunshine make the structure, levels, mission & gameplay wise actually worst than 64, but it's also very buggy & left many content that was scrapped. Also the 100% completion can go die in a fire. It's an shame because the game has potential and it does try something differently while staying true to it's source material or formula from Mario 64. But it was super rushed and became very unpolished. This is one game that seriously needs an full remake treatment to fixed, improved & add more too that was cut from the original and we would get something much better.
I mean. I don't agree cause at least 3D Land has it's own merits that has solid gameplay & level theme. Even if 3D World is significantly better; which I agree, there's some enjoyment to have in 3D Land and it was the first handheld 3D Mario game. So no. I don't think it's the worst. Now Sunshine on the other hand....
Seems like a strange comparison to me. That’s like saying there’s no reason to replay NSMB because NSMBWii/U is bigger and better. Both games have their individual merits and 3D land has quite a few merits of its own
@@yaniktheyoutuber That's not the point. My point is that even if the next game took everything that it's predecessor does and makes it better, that doesn't make the first one bad nor the worst game ever. Yes. Both 3D Land & 3D World played exactly the same. But there are differences to set them apart. Like 3D World has multiplayer, Captain Toad levels and so on. 3D Land was the foundation of that gameplay style. An 3D game played like the 2D ones. While I agree 3D World is an better game, 3D Land still test it's time for how it's transition to it's style and I think the game is still solid enough for as much replay value as 3D World or other Mario games has.
I hate to admit this, but the only reason I bought Mario 3D All Stars was to play Sunshine. To me at least it is probably my 2nd least favorite 3D Mario game besides 3D Land. The controls just aren't it for me, but I understand some find it underrated and even like the controls. I do like how experimental and goofy this game was. It is kinda whiplash to go from "goofy court case" to "she's sleeping under the tree on the hill" in the next game.
What are your thoughts on Super Mario Sunshine?
I put an entire review on the comment section explain the ins and out of it
one of my all time favorite mario games
Did play it (won't say which version of course) but I did play funny how people had problems with the pachinko level took me only two tries before I got the shine but I definitely agree about the blue coins couldn't 100% the game cus of it among other few frustrations😒
but in the end it was a fun time if they make a remake of this I'll definitely double-dip JUST for the fixes alone.🔧
A great game with some noticeable but mostly incidental flaws. Otherwise the peak of Mario's movement & sandbox level design
I've played it on Dolphin, it's a really fun game that is much more skill based than the other 3D Mario games but I found the controls a little slippery and I don't like those "Secret of the insert mission location here" because again the way Mario moves in this game, he's a little jittery and you can easily slip off the map by simply moving and the fact that Fludd can't help you makes the secret of the x missions harder. I think they would be much better in Super Mario Galaxy because Mario can simply get air boosts by spinning with would make these stages better but they're pretty annoying in this game.
Mario controls better in Super Mario Sunshine than Super Mario 64.
I don't know. I find Sunshine's control just as wonky & slippery as 64. The only thing it improved on was the analog camera & movements. But even those don't help because they are just as unresponsive and the camera has an mind of it's own sometimes
@@jaretco6423 Hey, at least Mario turns faster in Super Mario Sunshine.
@@SpeedyNinja1152 Oh yeah. The 360 turn is also an step up from 64. I forgot about that.
If this is the Switch version, you forgot to mention one thing- all six languages are available for Sunshine, meaning you have plenty of options in case foreign friends come over. Greek is not one of them sadly, but four other European languages (FIGS) and Japanese are included.
Super mario sunshine is my favorite mario game. The amount of control you have over his jumps is absolutely INSANE, he handles like a Bugatti.
You hardly have any control in that game 64 and Odyssey give you more control.
It's a painfully obvious when you play the floodless levels.
I still really like the controls though I'm not dissing them.
If you press z on the gcn controller there is a map that will tell you how many blue coins you have in each area. I dont understand why people pretend there is no way to track how many coins you have.
Yeah, but it’s not very useful when it doesn’t tell me which act I need to go to in order to get the blue coins. It telling me I have 29 blue coins in bianco hills isn’t helping me find that last blue coin
I love it's ideas, but you could tell it was rushed because of the glitches
How could sunshine be 6 years after 64 and rushed.
It's also the most frustrating & tedious 3D Mario game as well. Kinda an shame because the game does have potential. But it was really rushed and most content were scrapped.
A lot is from Mario 64 such as Quarter Steps
I agree, it’s really janky, but I still love this game
Your wrong. Your the glitch.
Sad rushed development cycle, similar to Wind Waker.
I probably don't want "Sunshine 2" but I hope in the future we get another Mario game with an island theme. I think it could actually work well for the first open World Mario.
The Sunshine levels are beautiful and each one looks like idyllic paradise while also being distinct.
Is odyssey not open world? Genuinely curious like botw is open world and odyssey kind of is? But the world's ar different
@@Nicefisher Odyssey kind of is, but it isn’t one large area like the last two Zeldas or Bowser’s Fury.
In the latter games I mentioned, you can literally travel on foot (or by sea via Plessie) and explore through a large continuous world until you arrive at your destination.
Odyssey does not work like this. If I want to go from the Sand Kingdom to the Wooded Kingdom, I have to quit the Sand Kingdom, go back to the world map, and then let the game load up the Wooded Kingdom. Its many areas are literally broken up. They’re not all merged together into one continuous map.
It was my fav 3d Mario. Love the challenge it offers.
Anything's better than Shifting Sand Land. That stage is the bane of my existence! Love to Greece from an Italian brother!👌
🇮🇹 🇬🇷 European brothers unite!
@@Demeech Amen to that!
personally games don't need a big reward for 100% completion because the fun should come from the journey
and just getting anything i can use to proof i did it is good enough
What hurts the most is that this could've been a masterpiece, a game for the ages. Rushing it did so much damage. You can also see it was rushed when appreciating the final Corona Mountain level, it feels weird and out of place. Fortunately, most flaws, as you mentioned, are for getting 100% and not just beating the game and its levels. Hopefully one day, we can get a sequel, but I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile, Super Mario Sunburn will do.
Great video and detailed analysis of my favorite 3D Mario game of all time. The immersion is second to none.
Mario actually did have (very quiet) voiced lines in the Japanese version that was for what ever reason removed in the international release.
I think it was like "Looks like a-Mario is gonna have to find a job" or something when talking with Toadworth, if anyone is wondering
@@paulhudalla9527 It was
I'll be honest, I kinda fell off the Demeech train for awhile there. But watching this reminded me why I enjoy these videos, and I hope to see more soon!
It's not everyday you get arrested in Canada because of a Gator 😉
@@Demeech what did you mean by that
Thank you so much demeech I've been waiting 2 years for this. Sunshine is my most played 3d Mario game I've played this replayed game almost every months but I stopped replaying dues I messed up my old switch internal fan because it cold but overall it worth the wait again thank you so much for this video I'm hoping you to do other 3d mario games soon.
Thank you so much! I'm thinking of doing Super Mario 3D World for the 10th anniversary.
You think Florida is hot? Ready for 110 in October for AZ! We don’t have a beach, just sun. Sun sun sun. Yippee.
Btw great video man! They just get better and better.
My biggest gripe is the blue coins only appearing in certain stages of levels forcing you to slog through every nook and cranny multiple per level… or look up a guide due to boredom
Can't wait for this one!! Sunshine's always been one of my favorite Mario games (don't @ me) so I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it!!
EDIT: There's just no way the pinball machine level is worse than the lily pad ride.
Nope. Pachinko is MUCH worse
@@Demeech the lily pad level itself AND the method of reaching the area are both tedious as hell. and to think that you have to bring yoshi to the island EVERY SINGLE TIME. they could've so easily clogged the pipe with a pineapple like with the one for sirena beach. that way you'd only have to do the yoshi stuff once.
@@Demeech also i had way less trouble beating the pinball level than the lily pad one.
@@perrytheplatypus4620same here
@@perrytheplatypus4620I agree. Lilly pad ride is way worse because you have to bring Yoshi EVERY time with you. He has a time limit for some reason to so you have to be quick while waiting for thr boats. Worst level design in mario history imo
I first tried it (and 64) in 3D all stars but I couldn’t get a hang of the controls and platforming so I gave up on it after about 10 sprites. Tbf I felt the same about 64 tho.
Bowser does not sound like Cookie Monster in that game
This is my favorite 3D Mario game and even then I will admit this game has LOTS of problems
Not as many problems as switch sports
Or Battle League
After watching Skawo's playthrough, I realize that several things in Super Mario Sunshine kinda aged poorly as Skawo brings up several issues with the gameplay.
That being said, for its time, it was much better than its peers as most games in the genre tend to feel half-baked with a lack of challenging platforming (double jumping on strict railroads), tedious combat system, and sometimes, hopping on the trendy bandwagons.
Meanwhile, Super Mario Sunshine did just one thing: Be a good platformer.
I played Odyssey and sunshine both before I played 64 and Odyssey feels like a better version of 64 however Sunshine feels different and I've never played the Galaxy games so I can't comment.
Wtf I just let the video play and at the beginning I thought I was listening to the actua mario sunshine cutscene
Look, I get that Sunshine may not be the best 3D Mario game in existence.
But the WORST? I kinda question that...
Well it kinda is. It's not the worst game in the world. But the worst 3D Mario game? Pretty serviceable.
Worst is crazy. They’re all so good it’s Mario we’re talking about
@paulgilbert5278 Well not all Mario games are great. And Sunshine follows that category. There's also Mario: Strikers: Battle League, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash & Paper Mario: Sticker Star; which are even worst than Sunshine IMO.
@Jack_Horner Oh boy. I'm so sick of how people tell me I lack skill issues and other crap. It's not even that. The game is poorly design because of how rushed and inconsistent the game is. Pachinko & Watermelon missions aren't the only bad ones. The Blooper Surfing, the entire Hotel Delfeno missions in Sirena Beach, the Chuckster mission, the ones without Fludd... Not all missions are bad. But there's still plenty of them and it has nothing to do with the lack of skill. That's how the game is design.
I love sunshine
As flawed Mario Sunshine is its still one of my favorite 3d Mario games
Great review man
Thank you so much!
I always felt crazy for not liking sunshine at all im glad im not the only one. People say they play the game every summer, ive tried beating it 3 summers in a row its such a chore, I end up just turning it off
It's the Man of Steel of the Mario series
@CaptainCat101 could've been great but kinda sucks?
I get you. No matter how many times I get good at it, the game always find an way to screw me over and it's not because of my lack of skills. This game has really bad physic and level layout that felt frustrating & tedious rather than fairly challenging.
@jaretco6423 I agree the physics are horrible, I don't understand why people think Mario's controls in this game are on par with oddesy, I can't stand how he controls in this game he is way too slidy. Also I agree the level design is bad too it feels so amateur and not well thought out, those levels where shadow mario takes your flood away literally feel like a fan game and not a good one at that.
@@LincolnAKAVenox The sad part is that I see the potential the game has. It could've been better if they had more time to complete and polished the game up more. But it wasn't. This is one game that seriously needs an full remake makeover.
I loved Super Mario Sunshine, I have fond memories of playing it on my GameCube. As soon as I got 3D All Stars I booted Sunshine up and it did not live up to my memory of it. Gameplay was pretty clunky and some stages just weren’t fun. Overall it was a good concept that needed another six months to a year of polish.
Funny how I had the opposite reaction I hated sunshine as a kid because it was a 3D game and 2D games are way better.
And then the DS games like Metroid prime Hunter and phantom hourglass sucked and I thought all video games were going to go 3D and 2D games would go the way of the dodo.
I didn't hate every 3D game but that was my mindset most of the time.
When I got 3D All-Stars I was able to have more fun playing Sunshine because I wasn't just thinking 3D game crap and actually gave it a fair shake.
The game tells you how many blue coins you found in each area in the Z menu. Just hover over the area on the map and look at the bottom right corner
Issue is that you don’t know in which act the blue coin can be at.
Even if I'm not fan of your video style (and your opinions/The way you tell them), I must admit, nice cloathing choice and beard.
The end photo in Sunshine for the 100% is neat, even if it ain't as good as having access to the castle roof and find Yoshi, the Luigi campain, or the bonus worlds in 3D World... Still wanna play Sunshine one day, whatever if it's via emulation or a off-hand copy of 3D All-stars.
Now I wanna play Odyssey again to finally get every power moon
Really good video on this game. I was honestly expecting you to complain about blue coins being too hard to find for 10 minutes, but the point about then just being filler is a very good point. You said those shines from blue coins could just be a new area or two, it just so happens that I'm pretty sure one or two areas didn't make it to the final game.
Also huge respect for saying Sunshine is better than 64, not many people want to ever admit that
tl;dw 30fps, a few subjectively hard areas, too many blue coins of unkown location, some areas don't have 100 coins. seems like someone got tilted by pachinko
i played this somewhat recently, I played it upscaled on Dolphin on my PC, its probably my favorite mario game, its incredible
Fun fact: I almost beat the painchiko and lily pad stages at my first try :(
I haven’t played sunshine too much, but from what I played, it was pretty dang fun, I’m in Ricco harbor, so I’m looking forward to beat the game!!
Anyways I can’t wait for this, I’ve been waiting since you announced it 🤩😄😎
I've played every Mario game multiple times and sunshine is my favorite hands DOWN. Take it as you will.
It's very rough & glitchy in many areas. So I wouldn't start with this as your first 3D Mario game or Mario game in general. There's better games than this.
@@jaretco6423 i'm also playing galaxy for a couple minutes in every day, but school is not letting me enjoy gusty garden galaxy, unfortunately 😞
@@raprips What are you having problems with Gusty Garden?
@@jaretco6423 i mean i couldn’t reach to gusty garden because of school!!
Now i finally played and omg it’s my favorite galaxy so far man ❤
The only thing i’m struggling with is the boss 😅
Honestly I LOVE the blue coins. Encourage exploration. I mean its no different than all the obscure odessey moons. I loved that too. But i do get the hole untrackable issue of it.
The game *WAS* rushed.
It only took about 1.5 years to develop, when 64 took between 2-3 years (closer to 3) and Galaxy 1 took about as long as 64. Galaxy 2 took 1.5 to 2 years to develop… but the first Galaxy laid the foundation for Galaxy 2. If they wanted to realize their concept, they should've let the game cook for at least another year… but I understand going nearly 2 years without a Mario game on their flagship home console was out of the question.
They learned their lesson with Sunshine, though. Hence why Super Mario 3D World wasn't as bold/ambitious as many would've hoped. That game also had a 1.5 year development cycle, but they chose to play it smart and go for something less ambitious… but incredibly polished. It's also why Odyssey, being a much bigger game, was able to more successfully realize this open 3D concept as a much more polished experience. That game had over 3.5 years of development time.
This gives me hope for the next 3D game in the series. The 3D Mario team hasn't released any new standalone games since Odyssey… which was almost 7 years ago. Assuming the next game is a launch title for Switch 2, it will be the exact opposite of a "rushed" game, even with Bowser's Fury happening in 2021. 7-8 years is a very long time…
I love this game to death, but would never ever recommend anyone to 100% this game. In fact, I would actively advise against it. Basically, this review reflects my thoughts on this game exactly. I guess one extra aspect that you didn't touch on is that I love all the NPCs that are spread throughout the world. You don't see that in any other 3D Mario except a bit of Odyssey. They are always talking about stuff related to either the current episode you are in, or leading up to a future episode. And even if you never talk to them, seeing all the locals talking, dancing, and running about makes the worlds feel like lived in locations. The only world that needed more NPCs was Pinna Park. Why was a theme park so empty??
If there's one 3D Mario game that would benefit a remake/Remaster it's Mario Sunshine
27:38 Demeech's Blue Fury
Super Mario Sunshine is just as old as me, it released on August 26, two days after my mom had me in the Riverside hospital in North America. (I also played it on the Dolphin emulator earlier in the year)
Where I'm from, Summer is just around the corner. We just had Winter and the cold weather has lingered on a bit up to this point.
Something that is very sad that happened to me:
I was THREE blue coins away from 100% in SMS. But I couldn’t find those even if I looked up a guide. So the hurtful thing I had to do…
was to reset the save file to 1 shine. RIP
Honestly regardless of it’s setbacks this to me is an S tier 3D Mario
I knew going into this and the title that the Blue Coins would be the thing that ruined this game to an extent, I also was hoping Demeech's Fury returned, I wasn't disappointed
I pretty much beat this game and I had no idea you could create platforms with the yoshis
Edit: just checked and i have 96 shines
As someone who played this as their first game ever, Super Mario Sunshine holds a place in my heart which I often return to while still being able to enjoy it. This is due to the movement that is just so fun and rewarding which always makes me want to return to it while having a blast. As for the dreaded jank, it's definitely something I acknowledge but still can overlook while the blue coins are definitely a low however, I still love this game regardless of those issues.
Deemech is a Florida man
Is you taking shots at Josh Thomas (TheBitBlkock) a new running gag? If so, I'm all for it! XD
Bowser Jr should’ve realized they would give him something as a punishment also flaw 1
Sunshine is my favorite 3D and to me the best in the 3D Mario genre. Controls, level design and aesthetic are legendary!
Lore of How Super Mario Sunshine Was ALMOST The GREATEST Mario Game- What Went Wrong? Momentum 100
Anyone remember when Super Mario 3D World was considered the black sheep of the 3D Mario games, until we realized at its core, it's still a very fun game to the point where a Switch port was highly requested? Super Mario Sunshine however, while having its fans, is still very divisive. I personally would more than welcome a mod that fixes many of its problems, but it would be better if Nintendo could do it themselves with a remake, rather than what they did in Super Mario 3D All-Stars.
What? There some people considered 3D World the black sheep of the 3D Mario games? I thought the game was awesome even before it gotten ported to the Switch to make it even better and I always figured Sunshine was the black sheep of 3D Mario games.
@@jaretco6423 I only assumed it was thought as at one point, because it didn't really innovate in regards to 3D platformers outside of the addition of 4 player co-op. That and it was apparently an expanded sequel to Super Mario 3D Land on 3DS. But it was still a great game, made even better when brought to the Switch with the addition of Bowser's Fury.
@Cyberbrickmaster1986 Hmm. I understand where some are coming from. But still. It's nowhere near the black sheep of 3D Mario games as some might say.
You'll hate me for this, but hey, it's only an opinion, right? ;) Calling this game better than 64 is blasphemy, and I refuse to tolerate Super Mario 64 slander of any kind.
Sunshine at its core is a very good yet flawed game. While I would love a remake of 64 done in the style of Odyssey, Sunshine's definitely more deserving of a remake. Its core issues come down to a lack of polish, the Blue Coins, certain aggravating missions, and slippery controls. But I think Sunshine has aged worse in some aspects than 64. 64 hasn't aged the best either, and the camera is awful, but if there's one thing I'll say and you'll probably disagree with me, is 64's movement was smooth and the controls were excellent for it. I have suffered a few rage-inducing deaths thanks to Rainbow Ride and certain aspects that require the Wing Cap, but overall, 64's just a better experience in terms of movement and polish. I feel it gets a lot of unfair criticism when Sunshine's issues are more in your face and it feels rougher overall to go back to. It doesn't help that the followup games are just better, Galaxy 1 & 2 and Odyssey.
Now take back what you said about 64, or I'll go cry on Twitter that I'm *sigh* publicly unsubscribing from you because I'm just a backdoor Grumpus that can't handle someone having an opinion. Now pin my comment, that's an order! Lol Do it and we can enjoy some LiveWire on the beach. You do get some brownie points for praising Yoshi. :)
If you can hook me up with LiveWire, I'll make sure to be nicer to Super Mario 64!
If it was actually non-linear, that would have been so much better
has the best vibe of all the games by far for sure. neeeeeeeed a remake
but my dude its still good,I like it better than Mario 64,I remember getting Sunshine when I was 7-9 when it just came out.....good times
It is better than Super Mario 64, I agree there.
And the DS version of 64 is better than Sunshine.
The blue coins ruined it.... Nintendo just should have created 4 more missions and ended at 100...no law states it needed 120 shines because it 64 had 120 stars.
This game is my favorite because of the amount of personality
Yes this game excels at that
All GameCube games do
So do Wii and DS games. Personality went downhill in the Wii U and 3DS era
@@traviscunningham7062 And even then there were bright spots like Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon, Mario & Luigi Dream Team, and Mario Kart 8
"Welcome to Stu's Classics."
At first I loved this game. I was having a great time playing it but unsure how to progress. I think I am near the end of the game but can't figure out what I am supposed to do next. Preposterous.
As someone who started and grew up with SM64 and its DS remake, Sunshine was the only 3D Mario I hadn't played by 2013. And I still haven't beaten Bowser in it, every time I try to give it a go its jank overwhelms me and makes me ragequit, even on relatively tame missions. I don't like that you have way less flexibility with which shines you go for, as you have to beat the Shadow Mario mission in every stage which requires a completion of all the ones preceding it. If there was simply a number of Shines to get that unlocked the final level I'd have very likely made way more progress and probably completed the story by now. I think another reason Sunshine's jank bothers me so much more than SM64's is because SM64 had simpler level design to accommodate for it, while Sunshine's level models are way more complex, leading to way more potential ways the game can jank out. And i swear it always puts its worst foot forward whenever I play it. It's still the only 3D Mario I have not beaten the main story of.
What is this jank some people keep saying Sunshine has? Outside of the few painfully broken levels like the pachinko machine (which are all optional anyway), the majority of the main levels play just fine. They're a bit more difficult than other 3D Mario games, but that's honestly refreshing. Mario's controls and the camera, while not perfect, are a significant upgrade from 64. As for disliking how linear the game is, that's valid, but is a bit nit-picky in my opinion. It's fine to prefer a more open sandbox, but it shouldn't ruin the game for you since most of the game's main levels are good.
Can anyone tell me where I can get that shirt he's wearing in the beginning?
fate had mercy on me and i was able to get the pachinko shine after about 15 or 20 minutes but man, what a broken segment of the game.
What the hell he's not a gator
I am, that's my pet human
Hate to say it but I enjoyed it more than Galaxy. However, I still think Galaxy is a superior game
Super Mario Sunshine is a misunderstood underrated masterpiece!
Idk if it’s true or not but I heard that this game was “rushed” to helps gamecube’s sales.
I still like the game btw despite the glitches etc. The only think I don’t like is the amount of blue coin in the levels
Sadly, alot of GameCube games were rushed. Even some great ones like Metroid Prime, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door and Luigi's Mansion were rushed due to show just how powerful the system is and couldn't add more context. Although Metroid Prime & The Thousand Year Door has enough content already and plays well. And honestly, I don't find the GameCube that powerful.
The GameCube is powerful in terms of its release. It was way more powerful than the PS2 and was more or less the same level as the XBOX.
@paulgilbert5278 Yeah. That's true. But as the same time though, most GameCube games were rushed. Leaving some games to be some of the glitches on the system or halve baked on the system.
The things that caused Sunshine to slide into mediocrity are the broken physics (which usually become more noticeable without FLUDD and really show their colors at the pachinko machine), a camera that at times can be worse than the one in Super Mario 64, blue coins being tedious to collect and an over-reliance on them to get all the shines (no doubt some of the blue coin shines were originally intended for Coronoa Mountain), not having the freedom with which shines to tackle to unlock the final level, and the game generally having a very troubled development cycle.
28:52 You said there were 30 blue coins but then you have 119? What happened?
Despite the games short comings, I still consider this my favorite game of all time.
Super Mario Sunshine is the best Mario game. Fight me.
There are not multiple king boos!!!
The king boo we see in the luigis mansion games is the same one from the mario games, except that he is being corrupted by the dark jewel on his crown. This dark jewel is the reason why king boo appears more menacing, violent and more powerful than in the mario games that feature him, which presumably take place after the luigi mansion games. The black jewel could possibly be the one frome Wario World or even a piece of the dark moon, seeing as how it corrupts ghosts turning them violent. As for the king boo in Mario Sunshine, that is just an imposter created by the magic paintbrush made by E Gad.
Oh boi I can't wait to drop my huge review is been a while since I done one
TheBitBlock may have something to say about this 😆. Regardless, I'm looking forward to what you have to say about this underrated classic per say.
He won't tolerate Super Mario Sunshine slander 😂 Or worse yet, playing it in OCTOBER
@@Demeechhaha. I like sunshine... But I don't like the secret zones where ya have no fludd... Mario's just isn't sufficient for it.
*SOSHI SIGHTING*
As we always say… CLEAN IS BETTER THAN DIRTY, AND DIRTY'S MEANER THAN CLEAN!
Just like NICE is better than MEAN
@@Demeech And HUGS are better than THUGS
I personally love the game; the music is great, going through the tunnels below is a really cool mechanic, and flood is fye from skyward sword done right
Edit: the game is clearly rushed though; the pachinko machine alone needed 6 more months of development time
dude that beach is hella clean, it looks fiiine!
Bowser voice is in a so bad it’s good it’s bad
Most of these comments really come down to people not being able to handle the controls. Guys all it will take is maybe 30 mins tops of just messing around in game to have a decent handle of them. Also Lily pad is harder than pachinko
Kinda reminds me of peoples opinions on 64ds’s dpad controls.
I know it’s not authentic but playing 64 DS on a 3DS will help you get used to it.
I actually started breathing heavily as the ptsd from the awful pachinko level kicked in
I take it the Sunburn mod will be mentioned?
Edit: Huh, I was wrong. Maybe you could look at it in a separate video?
I haven't heard of it until now
The Sand Bird is not that hard.
17:18 not true. get to the roof of the SM64 castle and you’ll see what I mean.
I wish I understood your little in-jokes and references in each of your videos but alas, I do not. Haven’t been following your channel that long. Your criticisms are mostly pretty fair and valid even if I think the Lily Pad level is FAR worse than the Pachinko one. Dece review!
Super Mario Sunshine is way better than 64
What went wrong was adding the stupid idea of collecting all 120 shine sprites
If you don’t wanna 100% the game, then don’t 100% the game.
@@SOYSAUCE878 I didn't
Meh, mario sunshine missions aren't that hard, even the secret ones, it seems you guys are having a huge skill issue.
Seriously!!!!!!!
They aren’t hard, but they are pretty poorly designed at times. The panchinko level is the prime example of this, whilst it does take skill to beat, it doesn’t communicate what it is doing half the time. How is the casual player meant to know it will restrict your aerial movement up until you start descending? How is the player supposed to know that one (1) mistake will cost you the entire mission due to the awful hit detection? The game doesn’t tell you, so what’s the player supposed to do? Die and get frustrated until they pick up on the mechanic or do what Demeech and I did and just send it ‘till we got lucky and beat it? Good ideas on paper, but sunshine’s jank makes it frustrating as hell.
@@avocadeous just like everyone else, playing. If they can't figure it out by playing, well, there's the skill issue.
@@OutFreak28 You may be able to learn about the pachinko level through trial and error, but it is poorly designed and janky which puts the odds against the player and demoralises them. You can’t blame the player for getting frustrated at a poorly designed level. Bad level design is bad level design regardless of whether the player has a “skill issue” or not.
@@avocadeous i blame them, they need to git gud
3 minutes on story really? too much time on something of such little sway.
Sunshine’s story gives a little more to work with
I still really love this game beside the many bad and frastuating things about it.
I just realized thst Mario Sunshine stole the plot from Sonic Adventure 2
Everything about Sunshine stole things from Adventure 2.
Well except the mama misnomer plot
@@jaretco6423 Everything? Did Sonic also use a water jet-pack on a tropical island?
@@Beefnhammer No. But they have an harbor.
If the GameCube wasn't being a total failure, this game could've gotten the polish it deserves.
I mean this was 2002 barely a year after it’s release. So Nintendo didn’t have the hindsight of the GC being a failure they just had to pump out games to keep up.
I still say Sunshine is the worst 3D Mario game ever made. 3D Land may not be all spectacular to most people and some might say it's the worst one. But I disagree. Because at least it's more polished and actually has solid gameplay & level designs. And the fact it evolved the gameplay into even greater when 3D World came out and does it way better, that's an accomplishment. Sunshine could've been like 3D World did where it took it's predecessors; Mario 64, and improved on. But not only did Sunshine make the structure, levels, mission & gameplay wise actually worst than 64, but it's also very buggy & left many content that was scrapped. Also the 100% completion can go die in a fire. It's an shame because the game has potential and it does try something differently while staying true to it's source material or formula from Mario 64. But it was super rushed and became very unpolished. This is one game that seriously needs an full remake treatment to fixed, improved & add more too that was cut from the original and we would get something much better.
31:48 for those wondering, the prize for 100% Sunshine Is... a picture with the Phrase "have a relaxing vacation"... A F@CKING PICTURE
I would argue 3d land is the worst, there’s no point of replaying it because 3d world is essentially the same game but bigger and better
I mean. I don't agree cause at least 3D Land has it's own merits that has solid gameplay & level theme. Even if 3D World is significantly better; which I agree, there's some enjoyment to have in 3D Land and it was the first handheld 3D Mario game. So no. I don't think it's the worst. Now Sunshine on the other hand....
Seems like a strange comparison to me. That’s like saying there’s no reason to replay NSMB because NSMBWii/U is bigger and better. Both games have their individual merits and 3D land has quite a few merits of its own
@@avocadeous your comparison is awful because the ds version is not comparable to wii in the same way, both were wildly different experiences
@@jaretco6423 everything in 3d land is in world, bosses and power ups. There wasn’t anything to set it apart from 3d world
@@yaniktheyoutuber That's not the point. My point is that even if the next game took everything that it's predecessor does and makes it better, that doesn't make the first one bad nor the worst game ever. Yes. Both 3D Land & 3D World played exactly the same. But there are differences to set them apart. Like 3D World has multiplayer, Captain Toad levels and so on. 3D Land was the foundation of that gameplay style. An 3D game played like the 2D ones. While I agree 3D World is an better game, 3D Land still test it's time for how it's transition to it's style and I think the game is still solid enough for as much replay value as 3D World or other Mario games has.
The best 3d mario game boils down to odyssey or galaxy,but sunshine is good aswell
Galaxy 1 & 2 equally, 3D World & Odyssey are the top 3 best Mario games.
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I hate to admit this, but the only reason I bought Mario 3D All Stars was to play Sunshine. To me at least it is probably my 2nd least favorite 3D Mario game besides 3D Land. The controls just aren't it for me, but I understand some find it underrated and even like the controls. I do like how experimental and goofy this game was. It is kinda whiplash to go from "goofy court case" to "she's sleeping under the tree on the hill" in the next game.
That's a good enough reason! Sunshine is my most played game in 3D All-Stars
@@Demeech If it wasn't for that no way in hell I support that cashgrab.
3D land is GOAT
Yeah
3D World>>>>
@@traviscunningham7062 fair enough