Hoyo has been really cooking lately trying to make units that are strong but don't quite fit in traditional teams, i like it as it can make niche characters finally find a home.
I'm excited for Furina not because she's strong but because she's doing what the genshin devs promised in buffing older units with newer ones. The relevance she gives to characters that used to be bad, fell off or just benched since inception is great to me and I love to see it
Not a fan of indirect buffs. It still forces you into specific things and here this is pulling for Furina and building around her. But it's actually amazing that this happened at all.
The fact that Jean is now a relevant character after all this time of being stuck in the bench is incredible tbh. I hope they can do the same with some of the other old 5 stars and 4 stars in the future.
Furina single-handedly allow the Hunter set become available for a vast number of old DPS and actually make the idea of catalyst users become PA + Maiden slave less cope huh. So when the heck will hoyo finally develop the artifact load-out system.
after khaenriya when the finally figure out abyss technology coz it sure as hell does not seem possible with their current technology. considering it took them 3 years to finally make the 5star character quest opt in after unlocking with key rather than auto start. like god damn took them that long to do that
@@BulletSponge71436 I've used it on Mona ever since I got it, most comfortable pick (maybe fav is comfortable too, but I've only recently levelled it up enough to make it playable and it's on Baizhu)
I use Nahida with r5 PA as a healer. Enough for overworld and most abyss cycles. Also if you have c2 Furina, then just r5 PA can heal enough toget a lot of fanfare. 6%*3*4*2.5=180 (out of 250 that you need to max out) plus the 150 base is 330 fanfare.
@@countdeville4146with c2 it actually multiplies the stacks you get to 3.5x not 2.5x since its increases *by* 250% and not *to* 250% 6% * 3 * 4 * 3.5 + 150 = 402 stacks , just enough to max out
Sucrose is probably also a decent Prototype Amber option, especially since she would provide healing and grouping, the latter of which Jean is missing (unless you hold E...). Still, she'd need another healer on the team to help her out in that department. Prototype Amber on both Mona and Sucrose could be fun.
but what is the point of that? like jean and sayu heal more and don't have to ruin their optimal build. + with sucrose you can't go maidens or heal bonus circlet. the buff from maxing furina is more then u get with sucrose that has to build er to burst every rotarion reliably and has to go er sands probably. so not a lot of EM left which means the gap between llike 500 EM (at best) and protorype heals (r5 with like what... 90 stacs with heal bonuc cirtlet with a bunch of EM or ER so 90*0.25%*party members) sucrose is less than u get from Sayu (200*0.25%*party members). With mona (yanfei) you can do it because whole point of mona is to use burst and to do so all you need is ER (and hp for c4 yanfei shield which is ok since prototype gives hp and ER) and they don't have a perfect set like VV for sucrose so they can go maidens and heal like a little more and be still useful for their main role (to buff or to shield). with nahida it depends, if you need a lot of dendro like in hyper bloom or nilou bloom (which is why u go nahida since she has more dendro than baizhu or yaoyao) you can go prototyper nahida even with deepwood, but you don't really need furina buff is such team cuz most of it damage comes from blooms, so lower amout of stacks is not that bad for overall team dps
The point is literally just grouping + healing on one character. I fully understand that it might not be an ideal choice, but it's a decent option in some team comps people may want to run. @@chico_ua
@@PazuChilluhh just to know that ur likely to miss out of half of the buff in the first rotation and 2/3 of the buff in the second rotation or more wich is not very profitable as like p amber + maiden could overcome furina hp reduction for the first 6 second ( which means no VV so its a rlly big downgrade ) so I wouldnt rlly reccommend u guys using p amber.
as a Noelle main, Furina is gonna be a high tier addition to making my geo Queen beat more things up edit: to anyone arguing that Furina could be put in better teams or whatever argument that Noelle isn't a good character for Furina, idc, we Noelle mains love using Noelle and Furina is a good buffer for her, end of story
Furina is good for Noelle teams, but Noelle teams are not good for everyone else who wants furina. Not complicated! Noelle isn't going to be flexed into wriothesley or neuvillete teams anytime soon!
He tried to downplay Baizhu so hard it’s not even hard to reach his er requirements since all he needs is Hp and er. He look like Furinas best partner since he’s the only one that can team wide heal with his skill
Sayu also can swirl with viridescent which makes her a pretty competitive option if you don’t have Jean and maybe are playing Furina in a double hydro with yelan or neuv
@@nonamepasserbya6658but she have to take time on field, can use subdps who needs them, and also she can be push out of her skill (and can't dodge) Her tier place is fine (if C6)
@@cleod7439 She doesn't use XQ Yelan (she doesn't NA), XIangling Bennett can be used seperately. Nahida mandates a Bloom comp regardless of Jean or Sayu. Sayu wins Also Sayu can heal with her skill which 100% makes her better for Furina
@@cleod7439well Jean's past nuke healing isn't the best either, she won't heal the other characters and only A1 Furina will help heal the other teams, thus Jean will have to be on field normal attacking so it still results in healers being on field. Furina just makes it to where healers deuve something meaningfully AKA the stacks towards her buffs. C6 Sayu would work for forward vape since Sayu snapshots her rolls and absorbs pyro. Sac or Fav on Sayu, or even the Makhaira claymore to increase her and team ER, or use Mailed Flower to buff her healing on burst even more. Jean doesn't do much swirl damage. She's more a raw dps healer type. Sayu when she hits C6 definitely does. She swirls many times in large AoE and damage is increased by her EM. Sayu is heavily underrated and her C6 merges her split scaling like it does with Noelle and Xinyan.
@@sharkeatinpizzaAgree + agree , I got c5 dori and got lucky from early wrio. Many ppl prolly got c6. But yea I don't ever see a situation where i'll level her past 20 in the near future/at all. I'll prolly build the mid pyro claymore babies (diluc, dehya, xinyan) first over her lol.
1) who summoned for rizzly instead of waiting for archon? 2) rerun banners are not that popular and not many people pull on them. so yeah it is pretty rare to have c6 dori
Tbh I think it’s biased to put kokomi over baizhu with Furina (unless kokomi is on field which wouldn’t work if you want to use Furina to boost your dps)
I mean, he doesnt know what he is talking about what so ever. Baizhu is better then every single healer atm, like, insanely better. The only team where you would wanna run Jean instead is HuTao, cuz burgeons will mess up the whole screen(So basically 0 reason) + In most teams, you would just run Fufu+Kazuha+Baizhu anyway, and we all know that unlike Jean, Kazuha has actual real CC, and he has like half of Furina's buff. And the most funny thing, he put Barbruh in C cuz healing is the only thing she does, and then Jean, who doesnt do shit apart from healing is S
@@championabovechampions5550 you literally just wrote Jean doesn't do anything besides healing, while VV is a non-neglectable buff for the whole team. Idk why you have to be so toxic, chill
Feel like Dori got shafted unfairly over a simple meme. Realistically you can run Portable Power Saw which boosts her healing (+55.13%HP), lowers her ER requirements(6-12 energy particles), and grants her EM (+120-240EM), or Favonius Greatsword if your team is still suffering from ER despite Dori’s ult. Furthermore her C4 grants: When their HP is lower than 50%, they gain 50% Incoming Healing Bonus. ·When their Energy is less than 50%, they gain 30% Energy Recharge. Which further increases healing efficiency and lowers ER requirements of various characters if swapped at right times. Then obviously her C6 heals basically 8-12% of her max HP. Which mind you can solve any given character’s ER requirements, especially with Fav if you swap to them appropriately. As for her artifacts you can put her on Noblesse(+20% team atk), Maiden (+15%HB +team20%HR), Exile (6 energy to team per burst), instructor (120 team EM), or even deepwood if you need someone else to hold it. Any of those sets to make up for any team deficiencies Lastly Furina grants additional incoming healing bonus by 10-65% healing bonus (including maiden) further increasing every character’s healing potential on this list which may or may not make any given character on this list more viable than previously stated in terms of how much healing they offer. Not going to argue dori is like the greatest character but I don’t think she should really be in D tier for everything she does. And certainly not in the over the meme no one has her C6, as if you play this game long enough you’ll have her C6. I think a little more thought should have been given based on artifacts, weapons that weren’t prototype amber, and Furina’s kit/artifact
the main problem with that is that your rotation is fucked up. you need to: Dori EQ swap - Furina EQ and by the end of animations you probably have to spend more time on furina (losing 4pc bonus) not doing anything for like 2 more seconds - swap to heal dori (a lot of base hp so like 2-4 seconds as well) - and then a 3rd character is okay (usually doing EQ she will already heal a characher like fishl or someone else with low base hp) - and only then you go back to which leaves you with a lower field time for your main on-fielder. (or if it's a quickswap team still you just waste time by sitting on furina and dori doing nothing while you loose time you could use a driver like surcose/heizou etc)
Correct. The only downside really is her gameplay, but if you are up for a rotation with her staying no more than 4 to 5 secs, then she's also a good option.
About kuki, I think there's missing that appart from healing she also loses her life quite fast when doing her skill, those are a few bunck of free stacks for furina actually, and on top of that, she also heals, that adds even more stacks... She's still being GOD even in these new teams!
@flamezforthegamez1056 of course I'd never intend to use her as the only sustain. She'll need a healer, but in terms of teams, she losing her hp that fast increase your stacks at the very beginning. That's very useful (30% in 1 second)
She's a bit like Benny. She can heal the on-fielder and has that headstart, but will probably want a Prototype Amber user in the mix, at the very least.
@@skyflakes145 yeah just use Amenoma or sapwood, or fav. since it's only two stats you need to focus on the most which is attack and ER. not to mention one of her ascencion passives also helps with some of her er reqs.
I have kokomi but I would never use her with furina. It’s definitely not ideal healing one person at a time on field or having to keep her on field to heal with her ult. Jean does a much better job.
@@KaydenHansel Except Kokomi works really well with Furina teams (Mono Hydro and Taser). On field Kokomi actually does pretty good damage and not really a downside.
Her self hp draining isn’t much actually, only 20% of her current hp pool which means it will give less stacks over time. And she only heals on-field character for a small amount(2-3k) so the entire team won’t have enough hp for the next rotation
I'm a firm believer of full heal maidens bennett being underrated. You get his buff + over 10k heal ticks, which will overheal non HP scaling units. Should be more than enough to compensate for less damage on furina's E and less stacks.
@@Stormtide Technically bennett can be the best option in some teams even with furina, his buff is so big that it ends up compensating for the loss from furina's stacks and E damage.
@@MsPoopyinthepotty You also need to heal the HP drained after the nuke heal, and thats not gonna suddenly give you max stacks, so yeah, the circle impact size still matters.
@@flamezforthegamez1056 no circle doesnt matter, at least from 2nd rotation onward. Burst heal -> Pet drain HP -> burst heal again -> pet drain Hp -> repeat. Starting from 2nd rotation onward where most of your team member already lost ~50% HP, jean burst heal actually give you tons of free fanfare stack
My Baizhu has 54k hp and 193 ER with PA. So where is the big deal? He only needs HP and ER. Jesus man. And if I want, I can sacrifice 4k hp for more ER and continue the same buff.
he doesnt "hate" anyone. god he even said few days ago that he thinks about pulling Baizhu. It's just that before furina yaoyao did all the work as good as Baizhu. Now faster healing means something so Baizhu has an upside. Also it's true that Baizu has ER problems. like 200 er is still a something you should get @@carolion2635
My only disagreement is Barbara, for one she can activat hydro resonance and she can hold thriling tales to massively boost anyone. She is still below Baizhou and Komomi but the hydro resonance and thriling tales should put her in a or b tier. Plus Furina does generate hydro orbs although slowly but that will lower her ER requirements.
Tbh, as long as there's no healers that gives interuption immunity buff for the party, all healers are D-tier. Why force yourself to make Furina's buff work when you can just use Bennett/Buffer+Shielder? It even takes time to gain stacks lol. Most people don't realise this now because they spent a whale into her C2 and copium mode. Give it a couple months, people realise it and go back to the more convenient option. Better hope Hoyoverse start releasing new healers with interuption immunity buffs or you waste money on Furina.
i have c6 dori. got her last 3 cons on wrios banner wishing for thoma cons (i didnt get any). shes actually pretty fun as a driver for single target fishl aggravate. now if shes better than like keqing for single target is another thing entirely, but fun regardless.
I would love to see what type of shenanigans C2 Furina will enable and is something not many talk about and is what I’m most excited about with her. With being able to stack her fanfare 3.5 times quicker I’d imagine that would allow teams that would have been copium with C0 and maybe even C1 furina to actually work. Since it’s 3.5 times more stacks and you start off with an instant 150 because of C1 you need even less than 100 fanfare to reach max which is insane and should allow teams that couldn’t be used before due to such small healing.
Same as other Archons like Raiden and Nahida, her role ups I'm with c2 and after that she changes her function as supporter to a hyper carry. AFAIK c1 is the one giving her more charges.
@@Syokool Well it’s not really the same per se imo. Nahida C2 just takes her current teams and makes them stronger but nothing else really changes. With C2 raiden she simply gets stronger and hyper raiden is no longer weaker than rational. Zhongli just becomes better in co-op at C2 and venti doesn’t really change much. C2 Furina feels like it could make completely new teams that wouldn’t have worked before. C1 gives her an immediate 150 stacks when she pops her burst and increases the cap. C2 gives her stacks much quicker by multiplying them & any overflow increases her HP.
Saying Noelle needs to be the on field to work with furina and marking it as a downside is like saying hu tao or diluc needs to be on field to work with xinq, that's not a downside that's just how on field DPS works .- .
@@blindaim but noelle is not a downside if she is your invested on-field DPS. some people do like using Noelle, and they built her and invested in her.
@@froeloe The point is, it is not foolish or wrong to mark it as downside since not everyone want to use Noelle on-field. No one said the downside must always present in every team or cannot be work around. See 3:45.
@@blindaim Using Hu Tao with Xing is a downside because hu tao wants to be on field and you might want to use someone else on field. you see how silly that sounds?
@@TFF_Onida why the hell you ever need Hu Tao if there is off-field Xianling? Why the hell you ever need an on-field Pyro if there is Xianling? Everything is a downside comparing to Xianling. Based and true
I don't think Barbara's E healing is garbage. I have her on Maiden Set with Fav and ER Sands and her NAs after E are healing the whole team for like 800+ HP each. She's level 80/80 talent level 8/8. With Hydro res and Furina's healing bonus, that will go up a bit. I think it's totally viable to use burst when you can but otherwise use her E + few seconds of NA to quickly build some stacks. Obviously there are better options but she is definitely not Bennett tier by virtue of the fact that she can heal the whole team.
then it will become an issue with barbara and furina because furina is a very slow energy generation, barbara doesn't generate energy. both are energy hungry. what should you do? only mono hydro team viable? that is so niche considered most team need hydro for support. not considering wet stats on barbara on yourself is an L to cyro enemies.
@@franciswoo3268 Itto, Gorou, Furina, Barbara. Gorou on Fav and Exile set. Barbara on either Fav or Prototype Amber. Furina on Fav. I think this will work. It won't be a SMOOTH rotation and some energy funneling will be required but who cares when you will easily 36* abyss with this setup. I'm not talking about speed run here.
Problem is Barbara's intermittent healing is sluggish. it's every 5 seconds, and every 5 seconds is a chance that you will get frozen, vaporized, or stunned by electro charged. As a driver, she would be okay as a budget Kokomi. She will get much better with 4.3 artifact's set.
@@blackwaltz2363 Well, gorou himself also is a hungry er issue with low energy generation. That's why they have 3 geo team or mono geo team in the first place. character like albedo or geo mc will be providing alot of energy instead. Gorou without full 3 unit also have less geo bonus damage. Moreover Itto er with triple geo and fav + exile also personally requires about 120-135%. How much ER does he need when you only made up with only 2 geo which is especially lacking one of their biggest er supplier? this will scale his er requirement higher and made his stats lower instead. I'm pretty sure it should not have er issue fighting normal mobs or multiple enemies in abyss. But what about mini boss with high hp? I'm positive that the hardest content in abyss is vs boss enemies and not mobs. So you're focusing your stats build against easy mob instead of harder mobs? Duo geo unit and duo hydro unit all have er issue, 1 of each element dealing close to 0 dmg as well only leave up to furina and itto to deal dmg. Brilliant! Probably one the worst pairing for them. Funneling energy? All of them needed it lol. IF you really easily can defeat abyss easily with this setup (i'm talking about abyss after 4.4 or 4.5 because current and upcoming abyss buff is catering for banner character after all). Then you congratulation! You've over-farmed or min maxed out your character. Guides are mainly for under-farmed player especially new ones where they don't have stats like 70/180 crit above like yours.
@@franciswoo3268 I'm used to energy funneling xiangling. It's not that bad. If the team does enough damage, which this team will, then you can afford to spend some time funneling. This isn't spreadsheet impact. You don't need a perfect rotation and exact ER requirements. You just need to 36* abyss, which can be done with only 4* characters. Gorou is optimized for ER and CR. Furina is 60 cost burst. With three favs, Gorou and Furina will have their burst up. Only one with problems would be Barbara, but it doesn't matter because she can just E and NA for a few seconds and burst every other rotation. Her E will passively heal Barb, then Gorou, then Itto. Should be able to max out Furina by the time you get Itto burst up. Yes wet status is annoying but not a huge deal anyway. Theory crafters way over exaggerate stuff like this.
Barbara heals the whole team A LOT, can drive, use thrilling tales or favonius, she gives hydro res, everyone has a minimun of 1 copy of her and she's easy to build I don't see why she's so low
@mabel2908 Her healing is above average, she heals the whole team with basic atks and/or charge atks which is good because she could also act as a driver on field . Her field time could be long or short depending on the team comp. She should at minimum be rated B because she can keep the whole team healthy giving Furina all she needs to buff the team, she's not complicated to play, she can either act as a white particular funnel with fav or an extra buff with thrilling tales. Hydro resonance also gives extra Hp to the team buffing her, furina and giving extra survivability to the team. She not top tier but she has enough assets to make her good enough if that's what players have on hand or if that's who they want to invest and play with.
The problem with Barbara is she requires being on field to be useful and that's taking DPS time away from other characters. You never want to normal attack with Barbara except in Nilou teams, which basically makes her a trash healer for furina
@@jack5mikemotownthat's a lie, bc her elemental skill does indeed change to whatever character is active, and her ultimate is fine if you built her correctly.
@@mabel2908you haven't upgraded your Barbara yet right? There's no way someone says this when there are new sets of artifacts that up Barbara healing by a lot, and in terms of pure healing and speed of healing, she's easily top4 just behind Yaoyao. The problem with Barbara is people that still can't build her right. Like they will try to make her work with tales, hydro damage, cr, etc. And not, nowadays she's better with prototype and 2x2 sets to up her role. Also relying on her ultimate was always no good.
Spot on on Kokomi lmao I have the Koko on my furina team with R5 Prot Amber and yeah she *does full heal the team* with every burst + the jellyfish but like, mine definitely needs more ER, like 20% more or so. Her burst is always so close to ready 🤔
Yao Yao is S tier because she can heal the whole team and her raddishes actually do a good amount of damage AND she applies dendro. She’s pretty cracked
I think you are underestimating baizhu . My baizhu have 200% er and he has always his burst recharged and he’s a better healer than Jean and kokomi for furina. Also I don’t know why you didn’t mention the fact that even Jean need an high investment in ER because her burst cost 80 + her continuous healing in her small ass circle is annoying af. It sounds a bit biased ngl
@@dillaver7767I use the prototype amber on him that can help him a bit with his the energy recharge and I have no problem with recharging his burst even when he’s the only dendro in squad
@@hachikuji_mayoi that’s it. Baizhu generally heals more than her, he has dendro app, can shield and buffs dendro reactions. And he can let you play kazuha in a team with neuvilette and furina. Neuvi, furina kazu and baizhu should be the best hypercarry neuvilette team
Tbh, I think Qiqi should be 1 rank higher, yes, she's not the best unit overall, but with Furina? She can max out the stacks easily, provides Cryo resonance, max out Clam set's dmg (~27k every 3s), heals A LOT, and can use Fav while keeping her healing at S tier. Also, she's an insane on-field driver with Furina, her NAs are fast, her cryo application is consistent for Freeze and Superconduct, she heals A LOT with every hit, she can max out Clam's dmg(+ more with Superconduct), and she's quite tanky and needs low investment. . Qiqi has been considered low tier unit because what she provides (overhealing) was not needed, just like pre-dendro Kokomi with her slow Hydro application, now the overhealing started to be more usefull, "heals but does nothing else" isn't a problem anymore!
if people uses proto amber r5, 2 skills and a burst on a normal rotation with 180 ER, i'm comfortable with 49k hp and his er and i ult every rotation if i met the requirements of 2 skills. A win is a win.
I'm just having shower thoughts that thinking it maybe obvious or not. Furina literally made everyone who heals be like Bennett without the help of noblesse and TTDS and she is more like Mona with better application.
Question: If you were to run Charlotte TTDS + Furina, it means that you want a character to get buffed with ATK%. Her nerf that sticks her to Fav removes TTDS from the question, but since you're running Furina on a character that benefits from ATK, couldn't you just ditch their dmg% goblet for an ATK% one to make up for the loss of TTDS?
that's not how that works. U still loose that 46% dmg and swap it to 46% atk. Yes, atk (def or EM) goblets are now VIABLE options close (but in general still worse but with furina the gap is a lot smaller to the point when it just depends on which goblet has better substats). But you don't make up for TTDS loss at all, because with TTDS it's external buff, not something that you have on your baseline.
@@chico_ua TTDS increases ATK as any other thing, wdym? Base ATK is always only the innate atk value + weapon's base ATK of a character. TTDS is an ATK% increase, just like a normal artifact piece.
@@incognitoman9420 You're confused, baseline isn't referring to base attack but to the total stat package of that character alone. Changing your goblet doesn't change the fact that you're losing an entire stat block (TTDS which is like having a 6th artifact's main stat) in exchange for the fav proc as a trade off.
@@emmanuel_40 oh yeah ik that, obviously not running ttds will always be worse than running ttds but what i meant is that you're not literally "losing" this atk, as running a dmg goblet wouldnt be optimal anyways pretty sure double atk artifacts + ttds will already hit ayakas diminishin returns too lol
I still can't believe the yao² meatriding Baizhu is literally is the most comfortable and least field time requiring healer His best weapon is prototype amber that not only will heal plus gives him energy All he needs is hp and er while giving heals on skill and burst Its so easy to get high hp and er with him
Noelle does not have a downside of only being useful in noelle teams, because noelle is NOT a support. She is a hypercarry that heals. You ONLY play her when she is the focos of the team, therefore she is one of the best units with furina, on a tier oñabove all other tiers.
not really. U can go Furina Yelan Xingqiu Noelle. In this teams Noelle IS a driver running ER sands, Fav and a full piece Petra (for hydro dmg bonus for other 3 hydro's in your team). Her personal dmg is a lot lower but u focus on hydro dmg here. Will it be stronger than on-field kokomi instead or Jean as a healer and just on-field Yelan? Probably not, but not than far behind. So there will be a team where Noelle is a support
@@chico_ua Driving what? Reactions? Crystallize? If you want a driver then you would use Candace not Noelle. Noelle is a Geo Hypercarry and all she needs it damage buffs to make her shine.
@@Lumiphatomwhy tf would you want Candace in that team. The point of triple hydro+Noelle is that she is constantly healing while driving XQ+Yelan bursts.
@@squid3432 huh? I'm saying if you wanted to use a driver, then you would use Candace instead of Noelle. Noelle sucks as a driver, why use her as such. Noelle only real use in the late game as a mono geo hypercarry, not a driver.
@@Lumiphatomu can use Noelle as driver bcs of Petra set and Fav, u cant do that with Candace.35+ Bonus dmg is really" good. Xingqiu and Yelan can run Crit set.
was thinking about using her with mika. then I got enough standard summons for a 10 pull. it gave me c1 mika was like well guess the game really wants this mika furina combo.
LOL! I have a C4 Qiqi Atk/ Atk /Atk 2100 total Atk and 215% ER using a Festering Desire >. Heals 5.5k per elemental tic . As that weapon will pass to Furina . She will increase her ER and Atk a bit more , Around 230% ER after I put her on a Skyward weapon I have around .
Barbara and Qiqi will be much higher because they can quickly swap and heal a ton. You don't have to burst every rotation on barbara, because you literally can heal a lot with 2-3 charged attacks + have additional energy from that. Qiqi can apply marks + burst which don't even require a lot of her presence on the field, but give a lot of healing. Besides, Qiqi allows adding freeze, if we play on a mili character And giving everyone favounious? Man cannothave enough er. In real life the content is managable if you dont burst every 3 seconds
They are not higher because this isn’t about just how much healing they do, it’s about what they provide the team. Barbara and qiqi ONLY heal, and Barbara doesn’t even make particles to charge herself up
@@lafeechloe6998 Yeah, I don't understand how Barbara is low cuz she doesn't generate energy then he talks about qiqi...who also doesn't. Plus qiqi is EVEN WORSE since she is cryo and gets LESS energy from for example Furina than Barbara. He lost me here, lol.
@@Dubstep_Gun Qiqi's healing is TOO HIGH that you can use Favonius with her with +200% and +50% crit rate and still keeps her healing at S tier. So yeah, Fav Qiqi has almost no ER problems, and if you have her C1 that's an extra energy. When we ever get something similar to Clam set that make use of the overhealing, she will easly go to A or even S tier, her healing is THAT good.
@@Dubstep_Gun Qiqi heals a ton more throughout though, plus you have to remember the hydro aaura spell Barbara puts on you, so you can intermittently get stuck in a frozen state, which is terrible for healing when you are pushed to half your health. Both characters can use Fav. Both characters have a constellation to reduce energy needs, BUT Qiqi's skill has faster healing within their pasive healing. Barbara skill heals 4 times, each every 5 seconds, which isnt' great for quick stacking buffs. Qiqi has the freedom to swap in and out plus Ocean Hued is just more synergistic with her. Barbara will become more meta than Qiqi with the 4.3 artifact set since Barbara is one of the few to teamwide nuke heal.
8:24 false. My kokomi has 174 er and 44k hp with hp/hp/hb This "no one builds enough er on kokomi" is just a zajeff skill issue. With r5 prototype amber my kokomi has never had any issues with energy ever,
Disagree with mona's placement on principle. You're running a healer to heal for furina and Mona doesn't do that. Prototype amber strikes me as a good supplement to your team but not the main healer role.
I mean, he is ranking them looking at everything the can support with, and with that weapon + set combination mona is as good as bennet for furina teams. I see her in a decent ranking (if he was only ranking the amount of healing she would be in a different place, but not for much)
Yu can swap out and back with Noelle easily without loosing her Burst, but agree that still be stuck with Noelle teams, also new set may work interesting on her with Furina, I think...
I think a lot of people are overlooking that if Bennet only heals you up to 70%, almost immediately one of furinas pets will drain you by a few percent and then Bennet will just heal you to full on pretty much most characters
@quarlie1086 I hear what your saying but for my Bennet I heal for around 7k per tick which on most characters is more than 30% of their hp, and you don't have to stay on one character for a whole rotation, you can literally quick swap between all 4 and get 120% in healed hp in a couple seconds so that in itself is great, I'm not arguing she's better than Jean or kokomi just that people are over estimating the impact of the 70% restriction when in actual combat if you play quick swap teams where your not on one character for 60% of your rotation Bennet will be really good for those teams and swap into your main dps at the tail-end of your buffs
@@surreabel depends on the team and rotation. That is the case for teams where you spend a lot of on field time with one or two characters but on teams where you swap often it won't be as big of an issue
@@FLG_NEO_but Bennett only heals onfield characters, that's why he is lower in this tier, because you see all other healers in higher tier has team wide healing
If he's going to specify that Noelle is going to be run exclusively in Noelle teams then he should've also taken in mind c4 Gorou being in the team and adding into the healing as well. If he's built as healer he can heal about 1,5k ticks at best, which adds up with Noelle's if we're being fair.
Yeah, if you're running Noelle with Furina, the rest of the team needs to be off fielders. You're not running Noelle with another on field unit. C6 Noelle's burst as a large duration, which would likely eat all of Furina's burst duration, leaving none for a second on fielder. You could maybe squeeze a Raiden burst in there, which would be a great battery for Noelle. But off the top of my head I can't think of an on fielder that would benefit a Noelle Furina combo.
Agree! Noelle is more like Wriothesley and Neuvilette since she's a Hypercarry/Driver and not a support. For Qiqi her healing is insanely good, she can max out Furina's stacks pretty easily, provides cryo res, max out Clam set's dmg (around 30k AoE off-field dmg every 3s), and use Fav while keeping her healing at S tier. "Can only overheal" isn't a problem anymore! Overhealing IS usefull now! And he didn't talk about their potential as drivers, Noelle, Qiqi, Kokomi, and Barbara are all top tier drivers with Furina since they can heal with every hit, Qiqi hyperfridge is gonna be something else with Furina.
This tierlist without any context looks more cursed with A-Mika and C-Bennet and Nahida being in same tier as Qiqi (my favourite cryo battery) than famous 1.0 tier list
I'm sorry, but in what world is Kuki a better healer than Bennet? Is he aware of how much time does Kuki need to heal even a slighly similar amount than Bennett? Her healing ticks are not as fast as his. And she will have a similar issue as Noelle and Kokomi, in that she needs field time, at least to stay alive.
My guess is that it's because Kuki can trigger Furina's overhealing passive (which gives her some AOE healing) but Bennett can't because he can't cap anyone's HP. I still think Kuki is a bit cope for Furina, but that's probably the overall idea as to why Kuki > Bennett.
Furina was like the release of Dendro, a game changer, im fcking glad she didnt work well with Bennett, cause Bennett in another team would be annoying as fuck
Idk if charolette's burst work the same way as yaoyao burst but if it is, then she's gonna be a good addition to furina with ttds (even if ttds doesn't work on her)
Kokomi if you can on field her can do actual dmg and she benefits from Furina's buff. Also with on-field kokomi u can go 4 dps team with last two characters like Fishl, Nahida, Beidou, XQ, XL, Yelan, Albedo etc. But if we are talking about dendro teams when you can not on field kokomi then yes. Baizhu will give more stacks
@@chico_ua Kokomi is good with Furina, but Nuevillette is just flat out stronger and Baizhu fits with that team for Nuevillette stacks and Kokomi doesn't.
You mean "onfield" Kokomi bcs Baizhu is literally the best strictly off field healer (no circle impact or longer onfield time just to heal effectively)
@@Elrog3 Neuvillette Furina teams lack interruption resistance and the damage it has in sheets assume he's gonna have good A4 uptime (80% HP passive). Against agressive enemies, you'll get staggered (Baizhu shield against multi hitting attacks won't protect you from stagger) and will be below 50% HP fairly often due to his drain which will hurt not only hius, but Furina's personal damage as well. Also when better Anemo/Electro/Pyro healers release Baizhu is getting kicked out of Neuv teams, while Kokomi will still have her on field teams with Nahida where the selling point would be much higher comfort (you'll be on fielding an immortal 50k HP unit rather than squishy units) while doing relatively close damage.
@@tera9439 Nuevillette's c1 gives him substantial interruption resistance during his charged attack along side the stack it gives for the first ascension passive (which you want to get the most out of Furina being with him). Nuevillette's hp being lower does lower the damage of himself and Furina some, but it will still way ahead of Kokomi, especially in AoE situations. Nuevillette builds hp too, he isn't squishy. I don't think you are giving Baizhu enough credit. Baizhu is a pretty strong healer and gives some interruption resistance on top of it. His healing can come in a large amount all at once, especially with c1, making him able to cap out Furina's passive early on in the rotation, meaning you have the max dmg% boost amount for a longer period of time. Kokomi will have an edge in tankiness. Personally, I like Kokomi and not Furina, so I'll be being especially tanky with on field Kokomi without having any hp draining going on. But just numbers wise, she isn't going to compete with other dps and Baizhu fits well with Furina in the off field healer role.
also hilarious you put Barbara: THE best healer for Furina on c tier lmfao, one Barb burst can give insane amount of fanfare for Furina, not to mention elem skill
He Practically did that because All Barbara does is just Heal. She can't provide any kind of Decent Damage just Heal only. Other Healer Characters even though they don't have the Same level of Healing Capability as Barbara Atleast they can Provide some Decent Damage too.
I hate to be that person but I don't agree with Kokomi being in S tier, what does she provide in this team other than healing?!? Her main utility is her hydro application, which you don't even need with Furina. Energy? Fav provides more, Hydro res? good but not enough for S tier. Clam dmg? Qiqi can get higher even with Fav. . Kinda unbelievable but Qiqi is most likely at the same tier or even higher than Kokomi for Furina, and both should be at A tier. Both only provide high healing, Qiqi will provide more energy for the whole team with fav, and some Cryo application and Cryo res if needed, while Kokomi will provide Hydro resonanse. Meta character =/= Always the best, remember why she's even meta, hydro application is not needed in this team, Kokomi with Furina is the pre-dendro Kokomi, she's still great, but not S tier.
Baizhu is literally the best healer for furina because he doesn't need ER for teamwide healing, unlike Jean Kokomi and Xianyun. And he heals big numbers. Mine could easily heal 11k per skill, and he's on R5 Sacrificial so I basically have two counts of skills. I'm planning to get his C1 and then I could give him an HP weapon for even more healing. Jean has ER issues and only heals with burst. Kokomi needs to be on-field to heal team-wide. To date, Baizhu is the only teamwide healer who does all of his job off-field AND heals with both skill and burst.
Just the same normal jean build as said by the first guy. Her heals are based on atk and she already has a high burst team wide heal. Jean is just a heal bot and elemental shred if your using VV which is a must anyway.
@@captjp140 I'd say ER sands, ATK cup, and HB/Crit circlet ATK cup to increase healing and make up for ER sands, probably more valuable in most scenarios than Anemo DMG because her personal damage doesn't matter all that much HB circlet would give more healing than ATK, and Crit for fav
1:23 "all she does is heal" you say? no, Barb can hold the TTDL or prototype amber, her clam set can do tons of dmg if you use her on field, if you don't want her on field her c2 gives the on-field character a 15% hydro dmg buff when her e is active, and hydro resonance. Her healing scales off hp so it's more efficient to use her over someone like Qiqi and Jean whose healing scales off atk. Another plus is that her e follows you wherever you go, so you won't lose healing when your enemies are too far to hit from a circle (and octopus). A properly built, full HP clam set all lvl20, will let her heal a lot. Mine does 5k per tick, and i've heard 10k from others. She also heals the whole team with her whole kit. The only problem of her that you mentioned is ER, which is fixable with an ER sand and some hydro team mates, and the thing is, you don't have to use her burst every rotation, because her e heals a lot already, and you can insert a few auto atks here and there to heal the whole team. It's easy to assume Barb not doing enough when you don't use her. I use her regugarly, which is why i know. That being said, wether she actually heals enough for Furina specifically depends on your build and actual test with her after you get Furina.
OKAY REAL QUESTION: Jean with Furina: Fav or Amenoma ? ‘Cause fav is better for energy but ameno is more heal and you can use an atk% circlet for even more heal but fav you almost have to have a crit rate circlet and so amenoma you can focus more on energy substat? THO Fav is so much energy and also it’s for the team too. I just want to know if the energy difference is huge and if the gain in heal is valuable enough to justify the lost of ER. thanks :)
In the average team, you can expect your characters to have no more than ~40k hp. Since Furina drains hp to 50%, you’d want your Jean to heal 20k max. While Amenoma massively boosts Jean’s healing, Furina gives an effective 30% healing bonus with 300 fanfare stacks, so that means that it’s easier to get sufficient healing on a Fav Jean. I had the same dilemma myself, but eventually settled on fav because the energy was that valuable to my teams. Hope you can find what works best for you (Also I prefer to run atk/atk/heal, but that’s just me)
@@ladygrey7707 okay okay thxxx I had fav on Jean but seeing the video I hesitated to put Amenoma on her. I have to stay on crit raté circlet ‘cause I don’t have good enough VV pieces lmao
you dont benefit from 300 stacks moslty cuz you rotations are longer than 15 sec and more like 20 sec. So you will use Jean burst with like 20 stacks at the start of it's rotation@@ladygrey7707
i did a little calc for you. r5 amenoma if u do 2 jean E's per rotation -her ER needs are like 115-130 ER (depending on the team). Can go ATK sands -Furina ER needs as a solo hydro on fav (r3-r5) are 180-200% -Jean heals on cast 17.5k (atk atk hb) each member r5 amenoma with only 1 E per rotation: -Jean's ER = 180-200% (ER sands is a need) -Furina ER = 200% (more or less) same weapon and solo hydro -Jean heals on cast 15.5k (ER atk hb) Fav (r3-r5) 2 E's: -Jean 160-170 ER (basically means that you can go ATK sands and get few ER substats overall) -Furina 150-160 ER (same. fav. solo hydro) -Jean heals 11.2k (Atk atk crit) OR 15k (Atk atk hb if you already have cr from substats) Fav (r1 or r5 doesn't really matter here) but only 1 E - Jean needs 210-230 ER (so probaly ER sands? cuz you need 50-70 more ER outsude of Fav's baseline 60 ER) -Furina 170-190 same everything as before. -Jean heals 10k (er atk crit) or 13k (er atk hb) If you use Festering on Furina Jean's ER needs jump up (in teams with only 1 E difference is actualy noticeable to like 250 ER). If you go fav you need CR which means probably a CR circlet instead of healing bonus So in conclusion - anemona is much better in teams where you can do 2 jean E's and you actually need that much healing (Naviletter, Yelan, Hutao (if has over 30k hp) etc). As for 1 E per rotation also nice, maybe a lillte overkill since i can't think of hp scaler that can't do 2 jean E per rotation). Note: r1-2 amenona's might have to run ER sands even with 2 E's anyway so less healing. - -- - - -- - as for fav it helps a lot your Furina so Furina can focus more on her personal dmg. Healing with fav in most cases might be enough cuz most characters have like 18k-23k hp and even lowest (10k heals) will only mean that only your furina might be not fully healed but the rest of the party will be. So make a choice depending on your artefacts and team. Hope that helped
i disagree with his noelle argument. By virtue of her being an onfielder she ia just as "restrictive" as any other on field unit therefore it shouldnt be considered a character limitation. Its like saying the weakness to Hu Tao is that she only works in Hu Tao Teams.
It is. She is basically Ayaka but worse. Hutao has access to Melt and Overload ( they haven't got Cyro Xingqiu for a reason). Noelle works with Furina but not the other way around. She should not be in a healer tier list, more in the DPS tier list like Xiao/Neuv
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Its fair if you do not want to put her on the healer list(and probably shouldn't of) but since she is on it you should talk about synergies because if you are counting limitations than the only healer that should be in S is Jean and MAYBE kokomi because the others in S definitely have comp limitations.
@@MalixFarwin You mean Sayu, Mika and Baizhu. Kokomi heal is on field only (off field is single target + Circle Impact). Jean Skill is anti grouping and can't heal like Sayu Skill
My current build active healer characters > Baizhu, Noelle, Barb and Diona, damn Jean S tier? my jean still Lv 1 lol ... I have C6 Mika but never use same goes to Sayu, Qiqi and Yaoyao.. I know Yaoyao good but after got Baizhu more prefer to build him and he actually amazing , in future I will try to get Kokomi and Kuki
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Its been years since I last saw Jean being in S-tier in a tier-list other than the 'Armpit tier-list'
PLAP, PLAP, PLAP'ers incoming.
HUH
ngnngg armpits.
Based
Now i'm curious about that tier list
Ive never thought id see the day that I see qiqi is higher tier than bennet
Yeah feels like we’re back in 1.0 when everyone was praising Qiqi and shitting on Bennett
Hoyo has been really cooking lately trying to make units that are strong but don't quite fit in traditional teams, i like it as it can make niche characters finally find a home.
Im gonn abuild Qiqi with hunter set for furina lmao
bennet is better if you can do the high skill non intuitive rotations
@@luminous3558 too many rotation.
"Nobody has C6 Dori."
Me with C11 Dori thanks to going for Nahida cons during her rerun.
im cursed with her on the standard banner, she's c8 now
I also have C6 Dori after I pulled in Wrio’s banner RIP
Day one dori available some reason I got her c6, well or very close not remember clearly
I got C6 Dori and Layla but only C1 Kuki during that banner and I'm still so mad about that lmao
@@duk6120 At least you got Kuki, she always evades my account.
I'm excited for Furina not because she's strong but because she's doing what the genshin devs promised in buffing older units with newer ones. The relevance she gives to characters that used to be bad, fell off or just benched since inception is great to me and I love to see it
Not a fan of indirect buffs. It still forces you into specific things and here this is pulling for Furina and building around her. But it's actually amazing that this happened at all.
@@planetary-rendez-vousThat's more of a personal issue bcs for me, I'm glad that i get to actually use my Jean in meta teams.
The fact that Jean is now a relevant character after all this time of being stuck in the bench is incredible tbh. I hope they can do the same with some of the other old 5 stars and 4 stars in the future.
Furina single-handedly allow the Hunter set become available for a vast number of old DPS and actually make the idea of catalyst users become PA + Maiden slave less cope huh. So when the heck will hoyo finally develop the artifact load-out system.
3 patches after the servers shut down is my personal bet.
Crit Kokomi with her plus Merechaussee sounds soo good rn!
You say it like other artifacts being blatantly powercrept is a good thing. Its not.
i think she'll also make the new 5 star weapons avaliable to more characters, doesn't she?
after khaenriya when the finally figure out abyss technology coz it sure as hell does not seem possible with their current technology. considering it took them 3 years to finally make the 5star character quest opt in after unlocking with key rather than auto start. like god damn took them that long to do that
Oathsworn Eye will finally has a use since Charlotte is an ATK scaling & really wants the ER.
true
Eh, it's useful on Mona too.
HUGE OATHSWORN EYE WIN
I HAVE IT AT R4 LETS GOOOO
@@BulletSponge71436 I've used it on Mona ever since I got it, most comfortable pick (maybe fav is comfortable too, but I've only recently levelled it up enough to make it playable and it's on Baizhu)
Mona, Yanfei & Nahida as healers, Zachef sure is cooking good lately...
C'mon let the man cook, 4-pc Maiden's Mona is gonna happen whether you like it or not
I use 2 piece maiden and 2 piece kokomi set on mona not a bad healer honestly
Prototype Amber Nahida goes hard.
I use Nahida with r5 PA as a healer. Enough for overworld and most abyss cycles. Also if you have c2 Furina, then just r5 PA can heal enough toget a lot of fanfare. 6%*3*4*2.5=180 (out of 250 that you need to max out) plus the 150 base is 330 fanfare.
@@countdeville4146with c2 it actually multiplies the stacks you get to 3.5x not 2.5x since its increases *by* 250% and not *to* 250%
6% * 3 * 4 * 3.5 + 150 = 402 stacks , just enough to max out
It's Jean redemption arc time
Sucrose is probably also a decent Prototype Amber option, especially since she would provide healing and grouping, the latter of which Jean is missing (unless you hold E...). Still, she'd need another healer on the team to help her out in that department. Prototype Amber on both Mona and Sucrose could be fun.
Your cooking something for my 13 catalyst billets and already r5 proto amber
but what is the point of that? like jean and sayu heal more and don't have to ruin their optimal build. + with sucrose you can't go maidens or heal bonus circlet. the buff from maxing furina is more then u get with sucrose that has to build er to burst every rotarion reliably and has to go er sands probably. so not a lot of EM left which means the gap between llike 500 EM (at best) and protorype heals (r5 with like what... 90 stacs with heal bonuc cirtlet with a bunch of EM or ER so 90*0.25%*party members) sucrose is less than u get from Sayu (200*0.25%*party members). With mona (yanfei) you can do it because whole point of mona is to use burst and to do so all you need is ER (and hp for c4 yanfei shield which is ok since prototype gives hp and ER) and they don't have a perfect set like VV for sucrose so they can go maidens and heal like a little more and be still useful for their main role (to buff or to shield). with nahida it depends, if you need a lot of dendro like in hyper bloom or nilou bloom (which is why u go nahida since she has more dendro than baizhu or yaoyao) you can go prototyper nahida even with deepwood, but you don't really need furina buff is such team cuz most of it damage comes from blooms, so lower amout of stacks is not that bad for overall team dps
The point is literally just grouping + healing on one character. I fully understand that it might not be an ideal choice, but it's a decent option in some team comps people may want to run. @@chico_ua
@@PazuChill Swap Mona for Nuevillette and maybe.
@@PazuChilluhh just to know that ur likely to miss out of half of the buff in the first rotation and 2/3 of the buff in the second rotation or more wich is not very profitable as like p amber + maiden could overcome furina hp reduction for the first 6 second ( which means no VV so its a rlly big downgrade ) so I wouldnt rlly reccommend u guys using p amber.
as a Noelle main, Furina is gonna be a high tier addition to making my geo Queen beat more things up
edit: to anyone arguing that Furina could be put in better teams or whatever argument that Noelle isn't a good character for Furina, idc, we Noelle mains love using Noelle and Furina is a good buffer for her, end of story
Yeah! Noelle mains, rise❤️
the Furina and Noelle team is half of the stuff I’ve been seeing on r/NoelleMains, so there is definitely plenty of hype for it
How much damage does she do??
My hu tao can do 70k
Zajef: Um actually that’s a downside ☝️🤓
@@saltedjester4458furina being good for noelle =/= noelle being good for furina bro did everyone really miss his point 💀
Furina is good for Noelle teams, but Noelle teams are not good for everyone else who wants furina.
Not complicated! Noelle isn't going to be flexed into wriothesley or neuvillete teams anytime soon!
But we have a new Geo unit coming that might synergize with both Furina and Noelle
As a Noelle user that has a non-C6 Gorou, I see this as an absolute win.
Just make a team around Noelle 4Head (I will do it, finally I can unbench Noelle 😤)
Time to bench Zhongli or Yunjin. Go Noelle, Albedo, and Gorou.
@@infra_r3d133umm no, she doesnt have hp-lost gimmick like other fontainian. And want to be with more elemental character than put another geo chara
Love how anyone throws a random tier list and zajef always like: you know what we could do that. Love this dude
He tried to downplay Baizhu so hard it’s not even hard to reach his er requirements since all he needs is Hp and er. He look like Furinas best partner since he’s the only one that can team wide heal with his skill
yes thats what i thoughttt
baizhu is going to be amazing with her
Other healers demand circle impact or longer onfield time just to heal effectively while Baizhu only need to press skill/burst then switch out
@@kanashiiinu9124Jean... But yeah you re right
as an avid jean user i see this as absolute win, furina will be mine.
Sayu also can swirl with viridescent which makes her a pretty competitive option if you don’t have Jean and maybe are playing Furina in a double hydro with yelan or neuv
And her circle is bigger so easier circle impact
She should have been above Jean. Circle not pushing out trash mob + better on field driving with her E
@@nonamepasserbya6658but she have to take time on field, can use subdps who needs them, and also she can be push out of her skill (and can't dodge)
Her tier place is fine (if C6)
@@cleod7439 She doesn't use XQ Yelan (she doesn't NA), XIangling Bennett can be used seperately. Nahida mandates a Bloom comp regardless of Jean or Sayu. Sayu wins
Also Sayu can heal with her skill which 100% makes her better for Furina
@@cleod7439well Jean's past nuke healing isn't the best either, she won't heal the other characters and only A1 Furina will help heal the other teams, thus Jean will have to be on field normal attacking so it still results in healers being on field. Furina just makes it to where healers deuve something meaningfully AKA the stacks towards her buffs. C6 Sayu would work for forward vape since Sayu snapshots her rolls and absorbs pyro. Sac or Fav on Sayu, or even the Makhaira claymore to increase her and team ER, or use Mailed Flower to buff her healing on burst even more.
Jean doesn't do much swirl damage. She's more a raw dps healer type. Sayu when she hits C6 definitely does. She swirls many times in large AoE and damage is increased by her EM.
Sayu is heavily underrated and her C6 merges her split scaling like it does with Noelle and Xinyan.
Dori was on Wriothesley/Venti banner, Nahida/Nilou rerun banner, and the Kokomi/Ganyu banner. I think having C6 dori isn't that odd.
Having a built Dori however is
@@sharkeatinpizzaAgree + agree , I got c5 dori and got lucky from early wrio. Many ppl prolly got c6.
But yea I don't ever see a situation where i'll level her past 20 in the near future/at all. I'll prolly build the mid pyro claymore babies (diluc, dehya, xinyan) first over her lol.
1) who summoned for rizzly instead of waiting for archon?
2) rerun banners are not that popular and not many people pull on them.
so yeah it is pretty rare to have c6 dori
@@PoseidonOSsflawed argument. Nobody rolled for baizu . So he's now d tier
@@PoseidonOSs
Wriothesley is hot ofc people pulled for him
Tbh I think it’s biased to put kokomi over baizhu with Furina (unless kokomi is on field which wouldn’t work if you want to use Furina to boost your dps)
I mean, he doesnt know what he is talking about what so ever.
Baizhu is better then every single healer atm, like, insanely better. The only team where you would wanna run Jean instead is HuTao, cuz burgeons will mess up the whole screen(So basically 0 reason)
+ In most teams, you would just run Fufu+Kazuha+Baizhu anyway, and we all know that unlike Jean, Kazuha has actual real CC, and he has like half of Furina's buff.
And the most funny thing, he put Barbruh in C cuz healing is the only thing she does, and then Jean, who doesnt do shit apart from healing is S
Jean is higher than Barbara because of VV
@@Porphey wow, REALLY? I FOR SURE DID NOT KNOW THIS, RIGHT?
True. Putting Kokomi above Baizhu is a major blunder since Kokomi eats away at your Hypercarries’ field time just to party heal in Furina teams.
@@championabovechampions5550 you literally just wrote Jean doesn't do anything besides healing, while VV is a non-neglectable buff for the whole team. Idk why you have to be so toxic, chill
Feel like Dori got shafted unfairly over a simple meme.
Realistically you can run Portable Power Saw which boosts her healing (+55.13%HP), lowers her ER requirements(6-12 energy particles), and grants her EM (+120-240EM), or Favonius Greatsword if your team is still suffering from ER despite Dori’s ult.
Furthermore her C4 grants: When their HP is lower than 50%, they gain 50% Incoming Healing Bonus.
·When their Energy is less than 50%, they gain 30% Energy Recharge. Which further increases healing efficiency and lowers ER requirements of various characters if swapped at right times. Then obviously her C6 heals basically 8-12% of her max HP. Which mind you can solve any given character’s ER requirements, especially with Fav if you swap to them appropriately. As for her artifacts you can put her on Noblesse(+20% team atk), Maiden (+15%HB +team20%HR), Exile (6 energy to team per burst), instructor (120 team EM), or even deepwood if you need someone else to hold it. Any of those sets to make up for any team deficiencies
Lastly Furina grants additional incoming healing bonus by 10-65% healing bonus (including maiden) further increasing every character’s healing potential on this list which may or may not make any given character on this list more viable than previously stated in terms of how much healing they offer.
Not going to argue dori is like the greatest character but I don’t think she should really be in D tier for everything she does. And certainly not in the over the meme no one has her C6, as if you play this game long enough you’ll have her C6. I think a little more thought should have been given based on artifacts, weapons that weren’t prototype amber, and Furina’s kit/artifact
the main problem with that is that your rotation is fucked up. you need to: Dori EQ swap - Furina EQ and by the end of animations you probably have to spend more time on furina (losing 4pc bonus) not doing anything for like 2 more seconds - swap to heal dori (a lot of base hp so like 2-4 seconds as well) - and then a 3rd character is okay (usually doing EQ she will already heal a characher like fishl or someone else with low base hp) - and only then you go back to which leaves you with a lower field time for your main on-fielder. (or if it's a quickswap team still you just waste time by sitting on furina and dori doing nothing while you loose time you could use a driver like surcose/heizou etc)
Plus, in coop she heals everyone
@@MrJavilink Didn't know that. Can i assume she gives energy to everyone as well?
Correct.
The only downside really is her gameplay, but if you are up for a rotation with her staying no more than 4 to 5 secs, then she's also a good option.
This is what I've been saying, SMH.
About kuki, I think there's missing that appart from healing she also loses her life quite fast when doing her skill, those are a few bunck of free stacks for furina actually, and on top of that, she also heals, that adds even more stacks... She's still being GOD even in these new teams!
Not exactly. She will be under 50% which prevents further HP drain past the rotation and nerf the pets' damaage.
@flamezforthegamez1056 of course I'd never intend to use her as the only sustain. She'll need a healer, but in terms of teams, she losing her hp that fast increase your stacks at the very beginning. That's very useful (30% in 1 second)
She's a bit like Benny. She can heal the on-fielder and has that headstart, but will probably want a Prototype Amber user in the mix, at the very least.
I think that a lot of people didn't play Jean for a long long period and forgot about her ER issues... she needs soooo much ER man
Just use amenoma
@@skyflakes145 yeah just use Amenoma or sapwood, or fav. since it's only two stats you need to focus on the most which is attack and ER. not to mention one of her ascencion passives also helps with some of her er reqs.
Baizhu only needs HP and ER so it's not like it's hard to get high er on him.
Hes just simping for Yao Yao this is why he is always talking shit about him💀
yeah, my Baizhu has 54k hp and 193 ER with PA.
@@Maria-.-KimValid reason too cuz a 5* healer (same element) shouldn't be just a side-grade to a 4* healer 💀
@@felipepoffohow much does his elemental skill heal for?. I’m considering getting him after furina
@@felipepoffoDamnn my Baizhu has 190% ER with 49k HP. Are you using two pieces of 2pc HP artifacts?
It's nice to see that this C5 Jean I've sitting around is gonna get some use.
I’m so jealous 😭 Jean is one of the only standard characters I want, but of course hoyo knows that so I get literally everyone else
Mines C5 Also and have been waiting to find a team for her to fit into :)
@@whyismynametaken123Everyone forgot Sunfire is a thing. 😢
kokomi addresses furina's ER requirements, double hydro res gives extra HP bonus, and is constantly healing the team (: she is definitely S tier
I have kokomi but I would never use her with furina. It’s definitely not ideal healing one person at a time on field or having to keep her on field to heal with her ult. Jean does a much better job.
@@KaydenHanselmain dps koko is the way
@@KaydenHansel Except Kokomi works really well with Furina teams (Mono Hydro and Taser). On field Kokomi actually does pretty good damage and not really a downside.
I can officially confirm that I watch too much ZaChef because I predicted that he was gonna say "Y'know what" at the start of the video
9:22 Also Kuki drains her own HP for healing the active character which in turn will lead to more Fanfare stacks
Her self hp draining isn’t much actually, only 20% of her current hp pool which means it will give less stacks over time. And she only heals on-field character for a small amount(2-3k) so the entire team won’t have enough hp for the next rotation
but she only heal on field
@@ayamPENYETZ Yes but that adds on to Furina's passive of Overhealing
@@Gaurang_Karande but its gonna be clunky to heal off field teammate, and idk if 2% of ally max hp per 2 second is gonna be enough
Her burst also heals no?
I'm a firm believer of full heal maidens bennett being underrated. You get his buff + over 10k heal ticks, which will overheal non HP scaling units. Should be more than enough to compensate for less damage on furina's E and less stacks.
Does that compensate noblesse though?
lmao people still trying to make bennett work after all this time
@@mandom5714 Will probably depend on the team. If you are using HP scalers like furina and yelan, noblesse is useless.
@@Stormtide Technically bennett can be the best option in some teams even with furina, his buff is so big that it ends up compensating for the loss from furina's stacks and E damage.
@@musicaddict9058i'm now confused, if you play him with hp scalers then what's the point of playing bennett
yea i agree with sayu being a tier but i think its a way more comfortable choice than jean because of jeans small circle
Jean’s circle doesn’t matter because you press the button and team is full healed, don’t have to care about the circle
@@MsPoopyinthepotty its nice for furinas A4 passive and just swirling for VV
tho and if you are running fav then fav proccs too
@@MsPoopyinthepotty You also need to heal the HP drained after the nuke heal, and thats not gonna suddenly give you max stacks, so yeah, the circle impact size still matters.
@@EliiKlee You need to be on field to proc vv and fav so it won't matter. You don't want to stay on Jean for that long.
@@flamezforthegamez1056 no circle doesnt matter, at least from 2nd rotation onward. Burst heal -> Pet drain HP -> burst heal again -> pet drain Hp -> repeat. Starting from 2nd rotation onward where most of your team member already lost ~50% HP, jean burst heal actually give you tons of free fanfare stack
My Baizhu has 54k hp and 193 ER with PA. So where is the big deal? He only needs HP and ER. Jesus man. And if I want, I can sacrifice 4k hp for more ER and continue the same buff.
he just hates baizhu for some reason and can't admit that he's good lmao
he doesnt "hate" anyone. god he even said few days ago that he thinks about pulling Baizhu. It's just that before furina yaoyao did all the work as good as Baizhu. Now faster healing means something so Baizhu has an upside. Also it's true that Baizu has ER problems. like 200 er is still a something you should get @@carolion2635
My only disagreement is Barbara, for one she can activat hydro resonance and she can hold thriling tales to massively boost anyone.
She is still below Baizhou and Komomi but the hydro resonance and thriling tales should put her in a or b tier.
Plus Furina does generate hydro orbs although slowly but that will lower her ER requirements.
Tbh, as long as there's no healers that gives interuption immunity buff for the party, all healers are D-tier. Why force yourself to make Furina's buff work when you can just use Bennett/Buffer+Shielder? It even takes time to gain stacks lol. Most people don't realise this now because they spent a whale into her C2 and copium mode. Give it a couple months, people realise it and go back to the more convenient option. Better hope Hoyoverse start releasing new healers with interuption immunity buffs or you waste money on Furina.
i have c6 dori. got her last 3 cons on wrios banner wishing for thoma cons (i didnt get any). shes actually pretty fun as a driver for single target fishl aggravate. now if shes better than like keqing for single target is another thing entirely, but fun regardless.
I would love to see what type of shenanigans C2 Furina will enable and is something not many talk about and is what I’m most excited about with her. With being able to stack her fanfare 3.5 times quicker I’d imagine that would allow teams that would have been copium with C0 and maybe even C1 furina to actually work. Since it’s 3.5 times more stacks and you start off with an instant 150 because of C1 you need even less than 100 fanfare to reach max which is insane and should allow teams that couldn’t be used before due to such small healing.
Same as other Archons like Raiden and Nahida, her role ups I'm with c2 and after that she changes her function as supporter to a hyper carry. AFAIK c1 is the one giving her more charges.
@@Syokool Well it’s not really the same per se imo. Nahida C2 just takes her current teams and makes them stronger but nothing else really changes. With C2 raiden she simply gets stronger and hyper raiden is no longer weaker than rational. Zhongli just becomes better in co-op at C2 and venti doesn’t really change much. C2 Furina feels like it could make completely new teams that wouldn’t have worked before.
C1 gives her an immediate 150 stacks when she pops her burst and increases the cap. C2 gives her stacks much quicker by multiplying them & any overflow increases her HP.
Saying Noelle needs to be the on field to work with furina and marking it as a downside is like saying hu tao or diluc needs to be on field to work with xinq, that's not a downside that's just how on field DPS works .- .
That is the biggest downside if you want to run another on-field DPS instead.
@@blindaim but noelle is not a downside if she is your invested on-field DPS. some people do like using Noelle, and they built her and invested in her.
@@froeloe The point is, it is not foolish or wrong to mark it as downside since not everyone want to use Noelle on-field. No one said the downside must always present in every team or cannot be work around. See 3:45.
@@blindaim Using Hu Tao with Xing is a downside because hu tao wants to be on field and you might want to use someone else on field.
you see how silly that sounds?
@@TFF_Onida why the hell you ever need Hu Tao if there is off-field Xianling? Why the hell you ever need an on-field Pyro if there is Xianling?
Everything is a downside comparing to Xianling.
Based and true
Bro is sleeping on on-field Barbara, btw Furina wont increase Elemental Reactions damage, no idea why he is coping so hard on that
Why do you mean she won't buff reactions?
I don't think Barbara's E healing is garbage. I have her on Maiden Set with Fav and ER Sands and her NAs after E are healing the whole team for like 800+ HP each. She's level 80/80 talent level 8/8. With Hydro res and Furina's healing bonus, that will go up a bit. I think it's totally viable to use burst when you can but otherwise use her E + few seconds of NA to quickly build some stacks. Obviously there are better options but she is definitely not Bennett tier by virtue of the fact that she can heal the whole team.
then it will become an issue with barbara and furina because furina is a very slow energy generation, barbara doesn't generate energy. both are energy hungry. what should you do? only mono hydro team viable? that is so niche considered most team need hydro for support. not considering wet stats on barbara on yourself is an L to cyro enemies.
@@franciswoo3268 Itto, Gorou, Furina, Barbara.
Gorou on Fav and Exile set.
Barbara on either Fav or Prototype Amber.
Furina on Fav.
I think this will work. It won't be a SMOOTH rotation and some energy funneling will be required but who cares when you will easily 36* abyss with this setup. I'm not talking about speed run here.
Problem is Barbara's intermittent healing is sluggish. it's every 5 seconds, and every 5 seconds is a chance that you will get frozen, vaporized, or stunned by electro charged. As a driver, she would be okay as a budget Kokomi. She will get much better with 4.3 artifact's set.
@@blackwaltz2363 Well, gorou himself also is a hungry er issue with low energy generation. That's why they have 3 geo team or mono geo team in the first place. character like albedo or geo mc will be providing alot of energy instead. Gorou without full 3 unit also have less geo bonus damage. Moreover Itto er with triple geo and fav + exile also personally requires about 120-135%. How much ER does he need when you only made up with only 2 geo which is especially lacking one of their biggest er supplier? this will scale his er requirement higher and made his stats lower instead. I'm pretty sure it should not have er issue fighting normal mobs or multiple enemies in abyss. But what about mini boss with high hp? I'm positive that the hardest content in abyss is vs boss enemies and not mobs. So you're focusing your stats build against easy mob instead of harder mobs? Duo geo unit and duo hydro unit all have er issue, 1 of each element dealing close to 0 dmg as well only leave up to furina and itto to deal dmg. Brilliant! Probably one the worst pairing for them. Funneling energy? All of them needed it lol. IF you really easily can defeat abyss easily with this setup (i'm talking about abyss after 4.4 or 4.5 because current and upcoming abyss buff is catering for banner character after all). Then you congratulation! You've over-farmed or min maxed out your character. Guides are mainly for under-farmed player especially new ones where they don't have stats like 70/180 crit above like yours.
@@franciswoo3268 I'm used to energy funneling xiangling. It's not that bad. If the team does enough damage, which this team will, then you can afford to spend some time funneling. This isn't spreadsheet impact. You don't need a perfect rotation and exact ER requirements. You just need to 36* abyss, which can be done with only 4* characters. Gorou is optimized for ER and CR. Furina is 60 cost burst. With three favs, Gorou and Furina will have their burst up. Only one with problems would be Barbara, but it doesn't matter because she can just E and NA for a few seconds and burst every other rotation. Her E will passively heal Barb, then Gorou, then Itto. Should be able to max out Furina by the time you get Itto burst up. Yes wet status is annoying but not a huge deal anyway. Theory crafters way over exaggerate stuff like this.
Barbara heals the whole team A LOT, can drive, use thrilling tales or favonius, she gives hydro res, everyone has a minimun of 1 copy of her and she's easy to build I don't see why she's so low
Semi-trash healing, requires burst for teamwide heal and requires on field time for more heals. Skill heals too little and too slow
@mabel2908 Her healing is above average, she heals the whole team with basic atks and/or charge atks which is good because she could also act as a driver on field . Her field time could be long or short depending on the team comp. She should at minimum be rated B because she can keep the whole team healthy giving Furina all she needs to buff the team, she's not complicated to play, she can either act as a white particular funnel with fav or an extra buff with thrilling tales. Hydro resonance also gives extra Hp to the team buffing her, furina and giving extra survivability to the team.
She not top tier but she has enough assets to make her good enough if that's what players have on hand or if that's who they want to invest and play with.
The problem with Barbara is she requires being on field to be useful and that's taking DPS time away from other characters. You never want to normal attack with Barbara except in Nilou teams, which basically makes her a trash healer for furina
@@jack5mikemotownthat's a lie, bc her elemental skill does indeed change to whatever character is active, and her ultimate is fine if you built her correctly.
@@mabel2908you haven't upgraded your Barbara yet right? There's no way someone says this when there are new sets of artifacts that up Barbara healing by a lot, and in terms of pure healing and speed of healing, she's easily top4 just behind Yaoyao.
The problem with Barbara is people that still can't build her right. Like they will try to make her work with tales, hydro damage, cr, etc. And not, nowadays she's better with prototype and 2x2 sets to up her role. Also relying on her ultimate was always no good.
Spot on on Kokomi lmao
I have the Koko on my furina team with R5 Prot Amber and yeah she *does full heal the team* with every burst + the jellyfish but like, mine definitely needs more ER, like 20% more or so. Her burst is always so close to ready 🤔
Noone has enough ER on Kokomi, noone has C6 Dori build.... here I am
fr my 170er kokomi with proto amber always has enough to burst whenever
@@mickysaifmines 145 and amber and it is enough
Yao Yao is S tier because she can heal the whole team and her raddishes actually do a good amount of damage AND she applies dendro. She’s pretty cracked
Welp. I guess it's time I use my 12 catalyst billets for something and make myself an r5 Prototype Amber or two 😂
True prototitype amber come from cope weapon to i need more catalyst billets in 1 nation
i have 16 catalyst billets. It’s time to use them.
I think you are underestimating baizhu . My baizhu have 200% er and he has always his burst recharged and he’s a better healer than Jean and kokomi for furina. Also I don’t know why you didn’t mention the fact that even Jean need an high investment in ER because her burst cost 80 + her continuous healing in her small ass circle is annoying af. It sounds a bit biased ngl
He can let you play kazuha with furina and neuvilette
is that solo dendro Baizhu? I have problems with mine specially if I'm not running Fav weapons
@@dillaver7767I use the prototype amber on him that can help him a bit with his the energy recharge and I have no problem with recharging his burst even when he’s the only dendro in squad
Jean having vv is a huge advantage
@@hachikuji_mayoi that’s it. Baizhu generally heals more than her, he has dendro app, can shield and buffs dendro reactions. And he can let you play kazuha in a team with neuvilette and furina. Neuvi, furina kazu and baizhu should be the best hypercarry neuvilette team
Tbh, I think Qiqi should be 1 rank higher, yes, she's not the best unit overall, but with Furina? She can max out the stacks easily, provides Cryo resonance, max out Clam set's dmg (~27k every 3s), heals A LOT, and can use Fav while keeping her healing at S tier.
Also, she's an insane on-field driver with Furina, her NAs are fast, her cryo application is consistent for Freeze and Superconduct, she heals A LOT with every hit, she can max out Clam's dmg(+ more with Superconduct), and she's quite tanky and needs low investment.
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Qiqi has been considered low tier unit because what she provides (overhealing) was not needed, just like pre-dendro Kokomi with her slow Hydro application, now the overhealing started to be more usefull, "heals but does nothing else" isn't a problem anymore!
if people uses proto amber r5, 2 skills and a burst on a normal rotation with 180 ER, i'm comfortable with 49k hp and his er and i ult every rotation if i met the requirements of 2 skills. A win is a win.
I'm just having shower thoughts that thinking it maybe obvious or not. Furina literally made everyone who heals be like Bennett without the help of noblesse and TTDS and she is more like Mona with better application.
Question: If you were to run Charlotte TTDS + Furina, it means that you want a character to get buffed with ATK%. Her nerf that sticks her to Fav removes TTDS from the question, but since you're running Furina on a character that benefits from ATK, couldn't you just ditch their dmg% goblet for an ATK% one to make up for the loss of TTDS?
that's not how that works. U still loose that 46% dmg and swap it to 46% atk. Yes, atk (def or EM) goblets are now VIABLE options close (but in general still worse but with furina the gap is a lot smaller to the point when it just depends on which goblet has better substats). But you don't make up for TTDS loss at all, because with TTDS it's external buff, not something that you have on your baseline.
@@chico_ua TTDS increases ATK as any other thing, wdym?
Base ATK is always only the innate atk value + weapon's base ATK of a character.
TTDS is an ATK% increase, just like a normal artifact piece.
@@incognitoman9420 You're confused, baseline isn't referring to base attack but to the total stat package of that character alone. Changing your goblet doesn't change the fact that you're losing an entire stat block (TTDS which is like having a 6th artifact's main stat) in exchange for the fav proc as a trade off.
@@emmanuel_40 oh yeah ik that, obviously not running ttds will always be worse than running ttds but what i meant is that you're not literally "losing" this atk, as running a dmg goblet wouldnt be optimal anyways
pretty sure double atk artifacts + ttds will already hit ayakas diminishin returns too lol
Im so glad jean is getting some attention, i love using her in c6 kazuha teams
I still can't believe the yao² meatriding
Baizhu is literally is the most comfortable and least field time requiring healer
His best weapon is prototype amber that not only will heal plus gives him energy
All he needs is hp and er while giving heals on skill and burst
Its so easy to get high hp and er with him
wow just like... yaoyao! all that is different is that u have to spend 4 seconds insdead of 2 (like baizho)
@@chico_ua you can say that about nahida and Dendro mc
Yelan and xingqui
Yae and fischl
Fr he’s so biased with yaoyao and for some reasons he has something against baizhu
Noelle does not have a downside of only being useful in noelle teams, because noelle is NOT a support. She is a hypercarry that heals. You ONLY play her when she is the focos of the team, therefore she is one of the best units with furina, on a tier oñabove all other tiers.
not really. U can go Furina Yelan Xingqiu Noelle. In this teams Noelle IS a driver running ER sands, Fav and a full piece Petra (for hydro dmg bonus for other 3 hydro's in your team). Her personal dmg is a lot lower but u focus on hydro dmg here. Will it be stronger than on-field kokomi instead or Jean as a healer and just on-field Yelan? Probably not, but not than far behind. So there will be a team where Noelle is a support
@@chico_ua Driving what? Reactions? Crystallize? If you want a driver then you would use Candace not Noelle. Noelle is a Geo Hypercarry and all she needs it damage buffs to make her shine.
@@Lumiphatomwhy tf would you want Candace in that team. The point of triple hydro+Noelle is that she is constantly healing while driving XQ+Yelan bursts.
@@squid3432 huh? I'm saying if you wanted to use a driver, then you would use Candace instead of Noelle. Noelle sucks as a driver, why use her as such. Noelle only real use in the late game as a mono geo hypercarry, not a driver.
@@Lumiphatomu can use Noelle as driver bcs of Petra set and Fav, u cant do that with Candace.35+ Bonus dmg is really" good. Xingqiu and Yelan can run Crit set.
was thinking about using her with mika. then I got enough standard summons for a 10 pull. it gave me c1 mika was like well guess the game really wants this mika furina combo.
“A Kokomi with enough ER doesn’t exist”
Me with my 200 ER Kokomi with HP/HP/HB main stat and TTDS
Surely it’s enough, right?
LOL!
I have a C4 Qiqi Atk/ Atk /Atk 2100 total Atk and 215% ER using a Festering Desire >. Heals 5.5k per elemental tic . As that weapon will pass to Furina . She will increase her ER and Atk a bit more , Around 230% ER after I put her on a Skyward weapon I have around .
my Kokopiu has 142 ER with Oathsword Eye - fits her aesthetics and color scheme
ruclips.net/video/xrg-RgF5F8o/видео.html
I have HP/hydro/HB with 180% ER on PA
3 years and I still don't have Jean. And now she's at the top of the tierlist of a unit I'm pulling for. Really cool hoyo
Must be the reason why I accidentally got my first jean not long ago in standard banner
I've gotten c9 Jean across 5 accounts... she won't leave me alone.
Barbara and Qiqi will be much higher because they can quickly swap and heal a ton. You don't have to burst every rotation on barbara, because you literally can heal a lot with 2-3 charged attacks + have additional energy from that. Qiqi can apply marks + burst which don't even require a lot of her presence on the field, but give a lot of healing.
Besides, Qiqi allows adding freeze, if we play on a mili character
And giving everyone favounious? Man cannothave enough er. In real life the content is managable if you dont burst every 3 seconds
They are not higher because this isn’t about just how much healing they do, it’s about what they provide the team. Barbara and qiqi ONLY heal, and Barbara doesn’t even make particles to charge herself up
@@MsPoopyinthepottyQiqi neither
@@lafeechloe6998 Yeah, I don't understand how Barbara is low cuz she doesn't generate energy then he talks about qiqi...who also doesn't. Plus qiqi is EVEN WORSE since she is cryo and gets LESS energy from for example Furina than Barbara.
He lost me here, lol.
@@Dubstep_Gun Qiqi's healing is TOO HIGH that you can use Favonius with her with +200% and +50% crit rate and still keeps her healing at S tier. So yeah, Fav Qiqi has almost no ER problems, and if you have her C1 that's an extra energy.
When we ever get something similar to Clam set that make use of the overhealing, she will easly go to A or even S tier, her healing is THAT good.
@@Dubstep_Gun Qiqi heals a ton more throughout though, plus you have to remember the hydro aaura spell Barbara puts on you, so you can intermittently get stuck in a frozen state, which is terrible for healing when you are pushed to half your health.
Both characters can use Fav. Both characters have a constellation to reduce energy needs, BUT Qiqi's skill has faster healing within their pasive healing. Barbara skill heals 4 times, each every 5 seconds, which isnt' great for quick stacking buffs. Qiqi has the freedom to swap in and out plus Ocean Hued is just more synergistic with her. Barbara will become more meta than Qiqi with the 4.3 artifact set since Barbara is one of the few to teamwide nuke heal.
Barbara C6 is pretty good in furina teams imo, for the first time
She always was. The downside of Barbara was being a catalyst user and the speed of her attacks.
8:24 false. My kokomi has 174 er and 44k hp with hp/hp/hb
This "no one builds enough er on kokomi" is just a zajeff skill issue. With r5 prototype amber my kokomi has never had any issues with energy ever,
Can't wait to make C6 hyper Dori quickbloom a realty.
Disagree with mona's placement on principle. You're running a healer to heal for furina and Mona doesn't do that. Prototype amber strikes me as a good supplement to your team but not the main healer role.
I mean, he is ranking them looking at everything the can support with, and with that weapon + set combination mona is as good as bennet for furina teams.
I see her in a decent ranking (if he was only ranking the amount of healing she would be in a different place, but not for much)
Ah nice, my c1 baizhu is gonna be perfect then
It's interesting that out of 17 "healers" only 3 are male
4:13 he took their joke very seriously 😭
Yu can swap out and back with Noelle easily without loosing her Burst, but agree that still be stuck with Noelle teams, also new set may work interesting on her with Furina, I think...
I think a lot of people are overlooking that if Bennet only heals you up to 70%, almost immediately one of furinas pets will drain you by a few percent and then Bennet will just heal you to full on pretty much most characters
Also to max stack Furina and also utilise his burst buff together is difficult, it becomes pointless..
Bennet only heals on-field character. Combine that with Furina's HP drain ... Well, good luck on swapping chars AND not ruin your rotation
@quarlie1086 I hear what your saying but for my Bennet I heal for around 7k per tick which on most characters is more than 30% of their hp, and you don't have to stay on one character for a whole rotation, you can literally quick swap between all 4 and get 120% in healed hp in a couple seconds so that in itself is great, I'm not arguing she's better than Jean or kokomi just that people are over estimating the impact of the 70% restriction when in actual combat if you play quick swap teams where your not on one character for 60% of your rotation Bennet will be really good for those teams and swap into your main dps at the tail-end of your buffs
@@surreabel depends on the team and rotation. That is the case for teams where you spend a lot of on field time with one or two characters but on teams where you swap often it won't be as big of an issue
@@FLG_NEO_but Bennett only heals onfield characters, that's why he is lower in this tier, because you see all other healers in higher tier has team wide healing
12:12 *raise my hand slightly... I didn't even realize till recently that I already had a C6 Dori...
If he's going to specify that Noelle is going to be run exclusively in Noelle teams then he should've also taken in mind c4 Gorou being in the team and adding into the healing as well. If he's built as healer he can heal about 1,5k ticks at best, which adds up with Noelle's if we're being fair.
noelle really doesn't need the extra healing of a gorou, i don't think it'd change her ranking
i was looking for this video, thanks
Yeah, if you're running Noelle with Furina, the rest of the team needs to be off fielders. You're not running Noelle with another on field unit. C6 Noelle's burst as a large duration, which would likely eat all of Furina's burst duration, leaving none for a second on fielder. You could maybe squeeze a Raiden burst in there, which would be a great battery for Noelle. But off the top of my head I can't think of an on fielder that would benefit a Noelle Furina combo.
use yelan and xq
Noelle is a Hypercarry/Driver, not a support, more like Neuvilette or Wriothesly than the other healers.
use albedo ,his E ,burst and leaves with barbara.
I am thinking 2team
1team with furina ,barbara, noelle,albedo, and
Kuki,Mc(dendro),Xingqiu,Sucrose.
@@zaysama3681 Not sure about the Barbara part. Yes she does a big heal, but she's also fighting Noelle for particles.
@@5h0ckblock if only i had kokomi
Built Jean for the wolves in 12-3-3 many patches ago. Didn't know she would become this busted with Furina.
I think Noelle should be treated more like wrio and neuvillette, she's a dps first and a healer second, so she should be higher.
Can’t wait for people to take this tierlist out of context
still feels like zajef is really undervaluing qiqi and noelle, at least bump both up 1 tier
Agree! Noelle is more like Wriothesley and Neuvilette since she's a Hypercarry/Driver and not a support.
For Qiqi her healing is insanely good, she can max out Furina's stacks pretty easily, provides cryo res, max out Clam set's dmg (around 30k AoE off-field dmg every 3s), and use Fav while keeping her healing at S tier. "Can only overheal" isn't a problem anymore! Overhealing IS usefull now!
And he didn't talk about their potential as drivers, Noelle, Qiqi, Kokomi, and Barbara are all top tier drivers with Furina since they can heal with every hit, Qiqi hyperfridge is gonna be something else with Furina.
On-field DPS Qiqi with Chungus 1Qiqillion damage incoming BasedMan
Jean mains never looked more dapper.
This tierlist without any context looks more cursed with A-Mika and C-Bennet and Nahida being in same tier as Qiqi (my favourite cryo battery) than famous 1.0 tier list
I'm sorry, but in what world is Kuki a better healer than Bennet? Is he aware of how much time does Kuki need to heal even a slighly similar amount than Bennett? Her healing ticks are not as fast as his. And she will have a similar issue as Noelle and Kokomi, in that she needs field time, at least to stay alive.
My guess is that it's because Kuki can trigger Furina's overhealing passive (which gives her some AOE healing) but Bennett can't because he can't cap anyone's HP.
I still think Kuki is a bit cope for Furina, but that's probably the overall idea as to why Kuki > Bennett.
Furina was like the release of Dendro, a game changer, im fcking glad she didnt work well with Bennett, cause Bennett in another team would be annoying as fuck
if you have C6 sayu you wont need healing bonus, her heals are solid enough and i run her with skyward
As a Sayu aficionado she feels awesome with Furina. I use them in a Dehya burgeon comp and its a ton of fun
Idk if charolette's burst work the same way as yaoyao burst but if it is, then she's gonna be a good addition to furina with ttds (even if ttds doesn't work on her)
Charlotte's burst seems to be better, since it provides an instant team-wide heal plus short off-field healing for the active character.
TTDS :) (bro doesn't know that Charlotte has massive ER problems Sadge)
Ngl I'm looking forward to try Eula with the new crit set, Mika, Furina and Raiden
Keep in mind, that Dehya's specialty has the 2nd highest HP buff on the game(30%)
wdym by hp buff?
@xr_c5516 the dish give 30% HP to the whole party
@@4_rol4 oh it’s a food
@@xr_c5516 yeeah
who cares about overworld buffs
furina single handedly carrying the entire healer meta.
kokomi is definiely not better than Baizhu for Furina
Kokomi if you can on field her can do actual dmg and she benefits from Furina's buff. Also with on-field kokomi u can go 4 dps team with last two characters like Fishl, Nahida, Beidou, XQ, XL, Yelan, Albedo etc. But if we are talking about dendro teams when you can not on field kokomi then yes. Baizhu will give more stacks
@@chico_ua Kokomi is good with Furina, but Nuevillette is just flat out stronger and Baizhu fits with that team for Nuevillette stacks and Kokomi doesn't.
You mean "onfield" Kokomi bcs Baizhu is literally the best strictly off field healer (no circle impact or longer onfield time just to heal effectively)
@@Elrog3 Neuvillette Furina teams lack interruption resistance and the damage it has in sheets assume he's gonna have good A4 uptime (80% HP passive). Against agressive enemies, you'll get staggered (Baizhu shield against multi hitting attacks won't protect you from stagger) and will be below 50% HP fairly often due to his drain which will hurt not only hius, but Furina's personal damage as well. Also when better Anemo/Electro/Pyro healers release Baizhu is getting kicked out of Neuv teams, while Kokomi will still have her on field teams with Nahida where the selling point would be much higher comfort (you'll be on fielding an immortal 50k HP unit rather than squishy units) while doing relatively close damage.
@@tera9439 Nuevillette's c1 gives him substantial interruption resistance during his charged attack along side the stack it gives for the first ascension passive (which you want to get the most out of Furina being with him). Nuevillette's hp being lower does lower the damage of himself and Furina some, but it will still way ahead of Kokomi, especially in AoE situations. Nuevillette builds hp too, he isn't squishy. I don't think you are giving Baizhu enough credit. Baizhu is a pretty strong healer and gives some interruption resistance on top of it. His healing can come in a large amount all at once, especially with c1, making him able to cap out Furina's passive early on in the rotation, meaning you have the max dmg% boost amount for a longer period of time. Kokomi will have an edge in tankiness. Personally, I like Kokomi and not Furina, so I'll be being especially tanky with on field Kokomi without having any hp draining going on. But just numbers wise, she isn't going to compete with other dps and Baizhu fits well with Furina in the off field healer role.
also hilarious you put Barbara: THE best healer for Furina on c tier lmfao, one Barb burst can give insane amount of fanfare for Furina, not to mention elem skill
He Practically did that because All Barbara does is just Heal.
She can't provide any kind of Decent Damage just Heal only.
Other Healer Characters even though they don't have the Same level of Healing Capability as Barbara Atleast they can Provide some Decent Damage too.
I hate to be that person but I don't agree with Kokomi being in S tier, what does she provide in this team other than healing?!? Her main utility is her hydro application, which you don't even need with Furina. Energy? Fav provides more, Hydro res? good but not enough for S tier. Clam dmg? Qiqi can get higher even with Fav.
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Kinda unbelievable but Qiqi is most likely at the same tier or even higher than Kokomi for Furina, and both should be at A tier.
Both only provide high healing, Qiqi will provide more energy for the whole team with fav, and some Cryo application and Cryo res if needed, while Kokomi will provide Hydro resonanse.
Meta character =/= Always the best, remember why she's even meta, hydro application is not needed in this team, Kokomi with Furina is the pre-dendro Kokomi, she's still great, but not S tier.
Zajef doesn't seem to comprehend sarcasm sometimes 🤦♂️
Fatties don’t understand anything
Ningguang + Proto Amber is good, since she can easily pick cristalize particles to activate Petra
This is actually a great idea.
Baizhu is literally the best healer for furina because he doesn't need ER for teamwide healing, unlike Jean Kokomi and Xianyun. And he heals big numbers. Mine could easily heal 11k per skill, and he's on R5 Sacrificial so I basically have two counts of skills. I'm planning to get his C1 and then I could give him an HP weapon for even more healing.
Jean has ER issues and only heals with burst. Kokomi needs to be on-field to heal team-wide. To date, Baizhu is the only teamwide healer who does all of his job off-field AND heals with both skill and burst.
What will be Jean's main stats and artifacts with Furina?
Normal build, VV er sands, atk/anemo cup, crit/atk circlet
Just the same normal jean build as said by the first guy. Her heals are based on atk and she already has a high burst team wide heal. Jean is just a heal bot and elemental shred if your using VV which is a must anyway.
@@captjp140 I'd say ER sands, ATK cup, and HB/Crit circlet
ATK cup to increase healing and make up for ER sands, probably more valuable in most scenarios than Anemo DMG because her personal damage doesn't matter all that much
HB circlet would give more healing than ATK, and Crit for fav
1:23 "all she does is heal" you say? no, Barb can hold the TTDL or prototype amber, her clam set can do tons of dmg if you use her on field, if you don't want her on field her c2 gives the on-field character a 15% hydro dmg buff when her e is active, and hydro resonance. Her healing scales off hp so it's more efficient to use her over someone like Qiqi and Jean whose healing scales off atk. Another plus is that her e follows you wherever you go, so you won't lose healing when your enemies are too far to hit from a circle (and octopus). A properly built, full HP clam set all lvl20, will let her heal a lot. Mine does 5k per tick, and i've heard 10k from others. She also heals the whole team with her whole kit. The only problem of her that you mentioned is ER, which is fixable with an ER sand and some hydro team mates, and the thing is, you don't have to use her burst every rotation, because her e heals a lot already, and you can insert a few auto atks here and there to heal the whole team. It's easy to assume Barb not doing enough when you don't use her. I use her regugarly, which is why i know. That being said, wether she actually heals enough for Furina specifically depends on your build and actual test with her after you get Furina.
Finally going to be getting optimal output from my donut Kokomi.
I just realize how often i use kuki+nahida. Not even counting abyss. At this poin hoyo should give them in game interaction
OKAY REAL QUESTION: Jean with Furina: Fav or Amenoma ? ‘Cause fav is better for energy but ameno is more heal and you can use an atk% circlet for even more heal but fav you almost have to have a crit rate circlet and so amenoma you can focus more on energy substat? THO Fav is so much energy and also it’s for the team too. I just want to know if the energy difference is huge and if the gain in heal is valuable enough to justify the lost of ER. thanks :)
In the average team, you can expect your characters to have no more than ~40k hp. Since Furina drains hp to 50%, you’d want your Jean to heal 20k max.
While Amenoma massively boosts Jean’s healing, Furina gives an effective 30% healing bonus with 300 fanfare stacks, so that means that it’s easier to get sufficient healing on a Fav Jean.
I had the same dilemma myself, but eventually settled on fav because the energy was that valuable to my teams. Hope you can find what works best for you
(Also I prefer to run atk/atk/heal, but that’s just me)
@@ladygrey7707 okay okay thxxx I had fav on Jean but seeing the video I hesitated to put Amenoma on her. I have to stay on crit raté circlet ‘cause I don’t have good enough VV pieces lmao
you dont benefit from 300 stacks moslty cuz you rotations are longer than 15 sec and more like 20 sec. So you will use Jean burst with like 20 stacks at the start of it's rotation@@ladygrey7707
i did a little calc for you.
r5 amenoma if u do 2 jean E's per rotation
-her ER needs are like 115-130 ER (depending on the team). Can go ATK sands
-Furina ER needs as a solo hydro on fav (r3-r5) are 180-200%
-Jean heals on cast 17.5k (atk atk hb) each member
r5 amenoma with only 1 E per rotation:
-Jean's ER = 180-200% (ER sands is a need)
-Furina ER = 200% (more or less) same weapon and solo hydro
-Jean heals on cast 15.5k (ER atk hb)
Fav (r3-r5) 2 E's:
-Jean 160-170 ER (basically means that you can go ATK sands and get few ER substats overall)
-Furina 150-160 ER (same. fav. solo hydro)
-Jean heals 11.2k (Atk atk crit) OR 15k (Atk atk hb if you already have cr from substats)
Fav (r1 or r5 doesn't really matter here) but only 1 E
- Jean needs 210-230 ER (so probaly ER sands? cuz you need 50-70 more ER outsude of Fav's baseline 60 ER)
-Furina 170-190 same everything as before.
-Jean heals 10k (er atk crit) or 13k (er atk hb)
If you use Festering on Furina Jean's ER needs jump up (in teams with only 1 E difference is actualy noticeable to like 250 ER).
If you go fav you need CR which means probably a CR circlet instead of healing bonus
So in conclusion - anemona is much better in teams where you can do 2 jean E's and you actually need that much healing (Naviletter, Yelan, Hutao (if has over 30k hp) etc). As for 1 E per rotation also nice, maybe a lillte overkill since i can't think of hp scaler that can't do 2 jean E per rotation). Note: r1-2 amenona's might have to run ER sands even with 2 E's anyway so less healing. - -- - - -- - as for fav it helps a lot your Furina so Furina can focus more on her personal dmg. Healing with fav in most cases might be enough cuz most characters have like 18k-23k hp and even lowest (10k heals) will only mean that only your furina might be not fully healed but the rest of the party will be. So make a choice depending on your artefacts and team. Hope that helped
@@chico_ua oh my god ily! Thanks sooo much that was actually helpful like a lot🫶
Cracked build idea: Charlotte with Favonius Codex and 4p Marechaussee Hunter set on Furina's team. Easy crit for easy Favonius procs.
i disagree with his noelle argument. By virtue of her being an onfielder she ia just as "restrictive" as any other on field unit therefore it shouldnt be considered a character limitation. Its like saying the weakness to Hu Tao is that she only works in Hu Tao Teams.
Get a load of this guy
It is. She is basically Ayaka but worse. Hutao has access to Melt and Overload ( they haven't got Cyro Xingqiu for a reason). Noelle works with Furina but not the other way around. She should not be in a healer tier list, more in the DPS tier list like Xiao/Neuv
@@nonamepasserbya6658 Its fair if you do not want to put her on the healer list(and probably shouldn't of) but since she is on it you should talk about synergies because if you are counting limitations than the only healer that should be in S is Jean and MAYBE kokomi because the others in S definitely have comp limitations.
@@MalixFarwin You mean Sayu, Mika and Baizhu. Kokomi heal is on field only (off field is single target + Circle Impact). Jean Skill is anti grouping and can't heal like Sayu Skill
My current build active healer characters > Baizhu, Noelle, Barb and Diona, damn Jean S tier? my jean still Lv 1 lol ... I have C6 Mika but never use same goes to Sayu, Qiqi and Yaoyao.. I know Yaoyao good but after got Baizhu more prefer to build him and he actually amazing , in future I will try to get Kokomi and Kuki
Sac frag on offield Baizhu and 187er and never run out of energy as solo dendro lol what 300er are you talking about
I can feel the descend onto the madness
You forgot to include the part at the end where he said "Zajeff daily, if you're watching this, don't put this on youtube." 😔
Take note that most of the healers become good with Furina when you enter Co-oP for Domains or Bosses ;)
Hey, I have a c6 Dori, I don’t remember getting it, but I do.
c6 dori is a social construct
my man didnt include Archaic Petra Prototype Amber (APPA) Ning, and i take that personally.