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Aether and Lumine Are Lucifer [Genshin Impact Theory]
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2021
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Welcome to Why Aether and Lumine are Lucifer, where Aster is back at it again with the questionable Genshin Impact theories and the internet search history ready to warrant my FBI to question my safety. I'm safe, Mr. FBI man, don't worry.
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I wanna say something real quick but you might not see this but before I say this
‼️LEAK WARNINGS FOR SUMERU‼️
There is speculations and leaks about Sumeru’s storyline - apparently so we are supposed to learn about Khan’eriah and know about it, and as the god of wisdom for Sumeru what knowledge can they contain when they are only 500 years old? Idk I’m not really trying to say much here but I thought you might would like to know this
albedo: traveler.. i have something to tell you... im a homunculus
traveler: oh cool im satan
albedo: what?
depending on catholic base
lucifer is the morning star and the first sin pride
the angel in chains in the deepest depths of hell
while satan is the red dragon ruler over hell
and the devil walks among men making deals and tricking us to sin
just as we have the trinity of holy beings
we also have a trinity of sin
@@quietguyjosh4643 true, Satan has more in line with Samael than he is anything even remotely close to Lucifer. I don't know why people make the association between them
@@quietguyjosh4643 Red dragon ruler... reminds me of Rhinedottir/Gold and Durin. I also think Rhinedottir could be the princess in the Gnosic Chorus cutscene from the Battle Pass since she was good before and then lost herself and created the armies of horrible monsters. She also disappeared after she found the heart of Naberius, that might be a (lost) gnosis or the genesis pearl. There are theories that think Dainsleif is the Prince in the Battle Pass cutscene and this combination would fit well if it's not portraying both travellers.
Lucifer was when he was good
When lucifer didn't obey by paying respect to adam
God expelled him from the heaven
But he still argue
As it came to a bet
God curse lucifer with immortality so that he can witness the end of this world but it changed his appearance
That's how he became satan
Aether and albedo actually have many common points
They both have twins
They are good and there twin are evil
Albedo consider aether capable enough to stop his twin if he happen to die
He also notice that aether has something in common when he did experiments on aether
Even if he kept it secret
Albedo might be abel
And his twin could be caïn
Just like his twin is trying to take his place because he wants to have his life
Caïn is jealous of abel
And killed him for that
We also saw that albedo hides his power
When we saw that a defective clone of his can do
Having a 4 vs 1
Eula,amber,bennett and aether
And that fakelbedo was still on the offensive
@@heroeus8173 I'm not sure he was given immortality tho, or are you saying in the genshin storyline?
3:09 fun fact! when datamining, the twins' wings are indeed called "SeraphWings" so its likely intentional that they resemble seraphim
Those wings are a part of why I say that they're effectively angels since 6 wings is almost exclusively the domain of angelic beings, seraphim in particular. The fact that they're actually called "SeraphWings" internally just makes me laugh so hard. Fire and light are closely linked, and while the seraphim are more associated with fire, they do sometimes extend to light.
I just love it when they put these tons of references from different religions and myths in games, makes the lore more alive❤️
Religions/myths are a fascinating story to add.
yea, I don't think a lot of people know that and they should.
no they are evil on purpose to deceive you waste your time and brainwash you and condition you. they are not your friends
I told my sister I wanted to name a dog Paimon and she told me , isn’t that a demon ? And I looked it up and Paimon is indeed a demon and it’s said to be one of Lucifer’s most loyal demons.
The more you know...
How did she know this?
@@d.ritzer Probably Christian Lecture
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Yooo
9th king of hell to be specific
Maybe lumine already ascended to celestia but when she knew the truth, she tried to do something that the heavenly bodies deemed unnecessary, then the heavenly bodies tried to shut her down but couldn't because she was too "powerful"? and instead they sent lumine back to teyvat again.
That would be awesomeee
Aether and Lumine already tried to ascend. The sustainer of heavenly principals stopped them after the destruction of Khaenri'ah.
@@AuthorityCat well that makes sense :>
@@AuthorityCat They weren't ascending. They were trying to leave teyvat. They had the power to travel between worlds.
@@raurisaurus5057 well true but we don't know that they weren't trying to ascend...
*flashbacks to the among us stream where zack said sarah was satan*
its kinda funny to think that people used to think pokemon games is about worshipping satan and now we have genshin impact a game that heavily take lore from biblical and satanic lore
"genshin doesn't have devils!"
barbatos, morax, baal, and paimon: : |
Yeah... having the names of actual demons. And not accidentally by any chance. I tend to not play games like these.. the bad side about this is that these supposed to be satanic symbols are masked by cute anime looking characters.
I am guilty from playing this game for long periods of time.. and sadly, I am still playing. But in my mind, I do not play it to serve satan, but just because of how beautiful the game looks.
@Cookehs don't feel bad. It's just a video game. You can play as whoever you want. It doesn't make you a satan worshipper by any means. I don't see anything bad but it might be so because I'm an atheist. I don't believe in these kinds of things.
@@Dudik28 I am religious after all, but like I said, I still play it with the knowledge from whence these characters came from.
However.. at the very least, with only the intention to enjoy and partake of the wonderful sceneries and storyline the game has to offer. The intention matters after all. And for sure my intentions are not to worship any Gods or Devils in this game xD
@@kukki2107 bro what 💀
And Paimon was Lucifer’s servant. Paimon is our companion. It’s all coming together…
traveler: I'm Satan
The whole teyvat: what
traveler: what
After watching this fully I can't help but have chills and goosebumps especially with the mentions of Biblical passages, as someone who has read the Scriptures I can fully say Genshin and not only Genshin but other games such as Fate and Honkai do take their inspiration from different sources whether it be from myths or the Bible. But for most of the time (in my observation of past games they would always mention tid bits about the Bible or God in general, and for some weird reason the devil is always viewed in a much lesser critical or sometimes more glorified light. Funny how much it sounds like the Travelers...) due to the literary structure and imagery the book of Revelation holds, and can be interpreted in many ways. This sounds so plausible to the point where looking not only at the twins but the game in general has so many dark secrets. (Wth Mihoyo?!!) Again it is a theory but there could be connections to it that could be true. Thank you for the video Aster. Not sleeping allegedly again tonight.
Didn’t read that all but I agree
Well the Lucifer in earlier bible passages is not seen as evil, it’s pretty clear it’s human influence that forced Lucifer into the role of being the evil character in the book. Lucifer in the bible is more characterised as a tempter or tester. If Lucifer was evil, I don’t think the book of Job would start off with the devil and God having a chat.
@@cyruswang9354
Please do not create your own interpretation of the Bible. The only true interpretation of the Bible stays with the Catholic Church as the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church.
Lucifer/Satan/the Devil is an evil entity. But that does not mean he can’t talk with God
@@lehuynguyen8400 Everybody has their own interpretation of the Bible and many other religions which we don’t even know are real 💀💀. It’s really interesting to learn about though and see how well mihoyo adds such information into the game.
@@lehuynguyen8400
I really don't know if your parodying a dumbass or not.
either way, I don't particularly trust a 2 trillion dollar company, that lies, colluded with the nazis, sold indulgences, begs for donations, owns a bank for Europeans to launder money, edited the bible, covered up child predators, invested in arms production companies, stole the life insurance of holocaust jews, to tell me how I must think of a book
I'd rather just read it, after all that's what you do with books
Awesome theory! Something that also struck me while doing the inazuma archon quest was how the traveler didn't really want to be involved in the vision hunt decree even though Ayaka asked them (a sign of selfishness). If I remember correctly, they only wanted an audience with the Shogun to find information and move on. They only became involved themselves when they saw the shogun stripping away the aspirations of the people (rebellion, fighting against godly authority)
Selfish? They’re *one person* and this war isn’t theirs to fight- they just want their sibling.
@@thetea4093 THIS ^^^ a traveler does not have any obligations to help solve or involve themselves in a civil war of any country they're not a part of
Lmao not wanting any shit to do with some foreign civil war ain't selfish, it just a logical thing to do.
I think it's selfish for someone who has done it twice already
I think it would be selfish to expect them to solve other people's problems, just because they did it twice already.
Tbh this makes a lot of sense! Especially bc paimon is so close to MC. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is all but confirmed later on. Though maybe not so much in America just knowing the history of localization
As for that Lucifer as a liberator part it reminds me of that one game series called Shin Megami where Lucifer was once Yaldabaoth's right hand man until he discovered the existence of the Aeons and the Monad prompting him to initiate the War in Heaven to liberate his Angelic brothers and sisters and all of creation from Yaldabaoth's tyranny which sadly he failed.
YES I LOVE THAT SERIES SO MUCH
Im getting Persona 5 warflashbacks
@@ChillwithAster
Eh getting a hot highschool boy to summon satan to kill god is a norm these days 🤣
@@ChillwithAster They’re part of the same series so that explains it
But the Demiurge is a separate demon from YHVH in mainline SMT and most spinoffs.
For the people who've only played Persona, Persona!Yaldaboath is not YHVH either! He is Humanity's want of control, like how Persona!Nyarlathotep is Humanity's Collective Shadow, not the literal elder god (very sadly).
YHVH has the same sort of Gnostic dichotomy with the Axiom/Great Will (though in Nocturne I'm not sure if they're using that term to refer to YHVH directly or not) however. But, the Demiurge is just a fragment of YHVH himself
There aren't a lot of games in which I can say that I was friends with a school shooter who eventually fused with my strongest demon (god fucking damn it), the Messiah except not really, and the reincarnation of Japan's female creator god. Oh and that I fused my pet dog with a demon and it became Cerberus. Funny how that works
now this theory is what i always thinking about, except for the part where the twins are lucifer which make this much more interesting. many people are actually speculating that the archons are "evil" because they have devil names and they're just putting an act, like that doesn't make sense at all.
Honestly, i dont think they're evil at all, but rather that they're seen as "lesser" than the other gods of Celestia. (well, assuming they're named after angels that is)
@@ChillwithAster maybe not most of them, but Baal is a selfish c**t that has shown no sign of remorse for a war she caused
@@thetea4093 I think in the end, only tsar will help traveller on his cause. She's the only one showing sign of fighting back against celestia. We probably won't cross path again with Baal cause she the type that don't give a fvck, but will meet again with zhongli because even after he quit being an archon, his contract bind with celestia remain. He will come to celestia side if war broke out between traveller and celestia, and that's gonna be epic.
@@backpackpepelon3867 or not, the deal with giving away the Gnosis was the contract to end ALL contract. What if this was the main reason for Zhongli to accept Tssaritsas deal, to be freed from Celestias claws? I think that would be worth as much as a Gnosis.
@@backpackpepelon3867 surprise surprise, we got to cross path with raiden again. Herrscher raiden to be exact
Imagine if in 2.4 we also get another development to Aether/Lumine story with abyss and/or Dain.
Then the .4 updates would be the most important Updates relating to the MC
i hears somewhere that the number 4 in china and japan is a unlucky number because it sound similar to the word ''death''
him being called dain is so wrong, since dainsleif = dain's heirloom which was hognis sword created by the dwarves
What do you think would happen if someone with a vision awakened a dead vision like how kazuha and Ninguwang did and it stayed? Would their original one disappear because their motivations changed? Would they just have 2? And if you could have 2 visions by awakening one could you have more? 3, 4 or all of them
It can vary from different allogene to allogene...my response would be they would have 2 visions. As desires that are powerful enough are key to earn a vision...so with that said, there may not be a override in power (like Kazuha tho it is a brief moment since the desire to stop the Vision Hunt Decree is only temporary).
A vision is the materialization of one's ambition. Ningguang's geo vision reawakened with her ambition to climb above her status. Kazuha's anemo vision was given to him when he realized his desires to live freely.
The electro vision, however, was awakened with the ambition of Kazuha's friend, to stand against the Musou no Hitotachi. After Kazuha successfully repelled the attack, the vision died once more because the ambition that fueled life into it was fulfilled.
Itto is a character who managed to stay lively despite having his vision taken away, unlike the npcs we met during the archon quest. This was because he gained a new ambition after losing his vision; Fight (and win) against Kujou Sara. Perhaps, had he been on contact with another vision, Itto would have gained a new vision, though unlikely and would soon also die once he defeats Sara.
Wait ninguan did? When
@@usa_py0n I'm not sure sure. Ei hints at a certain "x factor" which combined with an ambition grants a vision.
Itto not gaining a new vision upon obtaining his new ambition suggests that he lost this "x factor."
The simplest conclusion it's that it's stored in the vision. Aligned Ambitions just seem to be the "key to the ignition" so to speak.
Speculation based on that conclusion this "x factor" is likely stolen away by the vision they receive(probably as a way of controlling the people [Celestia is Evil] or sealing away something dangerous [Celestia is Good].)
@@ino4757 she found a dead vision and planned to sell it then it awakened she was pissed 🤣
Ok I was looking at different in game voice-lines and I found those things after looking back on both events and archon quests.
Kazuha: “You two not only give off the scent of wind and earth but also the stars
Abledo: You give off the aura of the stars
Mona: I see the Ascension of the “morning star
Tartaglia: You’re like the stars in the night sky comrade
The one that I think backs this theory up the most is Mona’s voice-line about the morning stars Ascension and also the speculation that for whatever reasons the traveler will ascend to Celestia
SPOILERS!!
So do you guys remember the "loom of fate" abyss order plan in the " we will be reunited" quest to "topple the thrones of celestia" ? appearently that'll be a huge plot point later in the story because in the traveler's story, theres a part named "loom of fate" and every story we have seen so far from the traveler is related to the archon quests. this one will be probably be relevant in the khaenri'ah chapter. so here's the general plan: they are gonna replace the "inverted statue of the seven"s orb with the eye of the first field tiller, then attach osial (overlord of the vortex)'s limbs to it, and appearently they say that "it can topple the thrones of celestia". Paimon also says that: "Is this some kind of... Fate-weaving machine?" In the travail trailer as well, dain says: "Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than i to rescue her.Then, the threads of all fate will be yours to re-weave." The second line stating the "loom of fate" project. I don't know if this is important in anything theory related, but i thought it'd be good for other people know this.
where can we see that trailer?
@@ilysheriff ruclips.net/video/TAlKhARUcoY/видео.html
I wonder if the loom of fate operation revolves around the Traveller-
Hear me out.
This was one abyss herald, who could get away from dain easily by summoning backup. This is literally the princess of the abyss why would she come to only help the herald?
Perhaps she came to indirectly lure Aether further into the abyss so he'd see the truth- or at least part of it.
Lumines words put us on an entirely new journey with new questions.
Maybe during the khaenriah arc the Traveller, will be important to the loom of fate operation
I think I also remember Ashikai mentioning something before as well. Its interesting seeing the potential? references Genshin uses and so on
They use a lot of references from the really shrewd religious stuff (and also the more old theatrical stuff i.e. commedia dellarte) so yep it is fascinating !
@@ChillwithAster agreed
@Lilly Ngo omg you have the best pfp ever :0
@@yvian3662 You have a cute pfp as well ^-^
Sometimes i do really wonder how many deep research holes and books do you go into when it comes to methodology
with blood
@@ChillwithAster I respect that, no questions asked
@@ChillwithAster but aster aether didn't drink blood tho
@@ChillwithAster
So......Blood for the Blood God and Skulls for the Skull Throne? 😅
She goes to forums and tells you about the things other people have dug up.
The thing I find really interesting about some Genshin theories, is that given the similarities between the games, I could take some aspects of this theory and add them to my theories about Honkai. I mean, Honkai wears its biblical inspirations as openly as Genshin. The current arc is named pre-revelation, our protagonist is the former strongest servant of the Will of Honkai (who frequently is referred to as a god) who went against her former master but then again Kiana might also have a Jesus allegory going for her, and it starts to become jumbled and this is why I don't really draw a direct connection between any of Mihoyo's story and their mythological inspirations.
I mean...Ei and Paimon are a bit underwhelming for Beelzebub and....Paimon.
so is humanity doomed in honkai ??
it's most likely because genshin and honkai have literary overlap, though i cant really say much cause i dont know much about honkai's story
@@-Blue-_ Well yes and no. There is a previous world that was completely wiped out by the WoH and the 13th herrscher so in that case all of the different universes and doomed to die, but in APHO it seems that the world we're spectating has lived on and (mostly) stopped the honkai
Sorry if you understand none of this
Its actually surprising there arent more theories like this since most of the fandoms knows many characters and some God's are named after demon. I personally do believe Venti and Paimon are connected with the God of wind and God of time once working together.
🌸😹It must be yielded to earnest confession. that the title has baited the gaze (but in a good way)😹🌸
Something I thought was interesting is that Mona says "In the reflection of the water, I see the ascension of the morning star." in her "Feelings About Ascension: Conclusion"
This actually makes sense !
I hope we actually dont get a cliche happy ending and actually get something that will make us think... and feel emotions... like Nier automata..
With mihoyo track record (look at mihoyo past game)
They will not hesitate to give a dark or depressing ending
Yeah i dont think genshin comes anywhere near neir automata but i also dont really see genshin havong a depressing ending cuz the theme so far even in inazuma is still pretty light
@@icantthinkofagoodnameso1954 have you complete the doctor odyssey, neko quest, the samurai in the broken ship quest, and the gazing two thousand mile quest, the pirate note, the outsider shrine quest (all of them connected by the way and spoiler the docter implied got kidnaped and left to die in the vilage chief basement) or the yashiori timeloop quest. And read the lore book about inazuma?
Inazuma is cursed i tell you
And the blood mentioned in the thunderfurry goblet, its implied as ruu blood since he become a life sacrifice
@@frederikrana2075 yeah and too bad literally everything happens off camera or before all of this. And i think mihoyo needs to learn that just unnecessary dark and edgy lore doesnt = good writing also, having lore doesnt compensate for story or writing. Same with honkai, i barely know the characters and im supposed to feel sad or be emotionally impacted when they are just killing off people who i have the least attachment to. Same with the side quests, maybe its just their way of story telling but it isnt very captivating nor do i have any attachment or emotion towards these characters so i dont even give a shit about them. I think people overhype mihoyo games too much. I like genshin but the fact ppl say "ouhh so sad. Im crying" just makes me feel like they've never played any other games nevermind watch a show with better writing.
Maybe im just too disensitized to this stuff that stuff like kidnappings and blood sacrifices dont even get a reaction out of me now and unless it actually makes me care about whats going on besides basic shock value of "oh no, how terrible" that i will forget in 5 minutes. Then i'll be intrigued and impressed.
@@frederikrana2075 not to mention inazuma is supposed to be one of the more serious nations as its whole theme is war and stuff so i think the only potential for actually ingaging story (not lore) is the pyro nation or khanri'ah if we get ther
I love the detail that, within the Ars Goetia, Paimon (Despite being a King) is loyal only to Lucifer and Lucifer alone. And who is the game Paimon always around? Huh? HUH?
Traveller lore is the more interesting lore of Genshin, I want to know where they came from and how their world got destroyed, what power they possessed.
My crazy theory is that the abyss is celestia's power source and when humanity grows it learns of the abyss and draw on its power this then provokes celestia who crush the group anf that perhaps the visions are gifts to appease those who may otherwise turn to the abyss
This theory is so cool. I also think they're getting most of Mihoyo's ideas are from Ars Goetia, but I also think some of them are from TV shows like His Dark Materials.
Let's say Dust for example from His Dark Materials. In Genshin I think Dust are the Visions that the Allogenes get.
They're ambitions comes alive, turns into a visions and becomes apart of them.
Dust in His Dark Materials once condensed created Angels. The first angel was Authority.
"Dust was an elementary particle which was conscious, and which conferred consciousness upon certain species, such as humans and mulefa."
What if visions are not granted by the archons, but has a consciousness of it's own?
In, His Dark Materials there was a knife that could cut through the fabric of the multiverse creating windows where Dust leaked to other universes. The flow of Dust worsened when a bomb created a massive window into the Abyss. The Angels closed the windows between worlds to stem the flow of Dust. Aurora was a phenomenon caused by storms of charged particles and solar rays interacting with the atmosphere. The charged particles in the Aurora make the matter in one world thin, allowing one to see through it, to other worlds.
I'm guessing the Abyss had something to do with Celestia, attacking Khaenri'ah in Teyvat. If Celestia attacked Khaen'riah who guarded Celestia? No one. The Abyss can travel via portals what if they took something from Celestia that very day?
The destruction of Khaenri'ah worsened something, and the Unknown God stopped the Twins because they can't travel away and needed their help to fix things.
Scaramouche, said the Sky was a lie. What if it is? Celestia, might not be part of Teyvat but we can see it through the sky. It might be part of an entirely different world.
I bet Mihoyo is going to create the biggest game connecting everyone from Honkai, Genshin, Star Rail. Different Worlds. Different Branches of the World Tree.
When you start reading: ´´How have you fallen from heaven, morning star´´ ♡ my gosh that part was outstanding.
Going off of this, the Primordial One could be seen as God. Its 4 shining shades the PO made could also be symbolic of how God spent 7 day create Earth, each day bring new life on the land.
The 4 shining shades and the Primoridial One can be represented by the different artifact category (ie, plume of death, etc).
The goblet of eon = Eonothem is a rock formation so the land, water bodies etc. The icon for it may represent the unknown god as one of its shades.
The sands of eonothem = is time or the god of time, Istaroth.
The circlet of logos = looks like a crown therefore befitting of the owner/creator Teyvat, the PO
And the plume of death and flower of life are the other 2 UNKOWN shades.
There's a strict contrast between each shades and death and life are balancing eachother out. And how time is eroding and changing the land. This can also be seen on how Zhongli calls his and other gods forgetfulness (etc), 'corrison' instead of something else. Time corrides at the land, death and life.
The PO and his 4 shining shades made 3 realms, the light realm, human realm (Teyvat) and the abyssal void realm. The abyssal void realm represents Hell then it feeds into Lucifer (the Traveller) and the other gods.
This was called the Old World before the PO and its shining shades create humanity, then it was called the 'New World' free from the Vishap rule. Then ties in with the theory of the Abyss orders of plans of engulfing the throne aka changing the order, destroying it.
In addition, The Jester in the recently dropped trailer tells how Signoras final resting place will be the entirety of the New World. This suggest on how the Fatui are going to do the same as the Primordial One with gnosis's a D free Teyvat from 'threats' = the Heavenly Principles.
There's some plot holes, but it ties in nicely with a lots of running theory that co-exist with each other along with my own thoughts.
You said it so I'll it. At some point, me and a friend of mine, Krisa, discussed that the game is going down a spiral in terms of storytelling. Not to mean that it's going bad, instead following a progression like the Divine Comedy. So what if Genshin's story is actually following the 9 Circles' progression? With each element/region as a circle of Inferno? But then there are only 7 elements right so we'll be 2 circles short. But what if the 8th Circle is the 8th element many crafters have theorized towards AKA the Twins' actual element before they "fell from Grace"? And the 9th is actually Celestia? Honestly, would the story end at Khaenri'ah when Celestia is still another whole new realm itself? As a writer myself, stopping there seems an incomplete thing. There should be a 9th region to explore where everything comes full circle.
Everyone gansta until Aster’s family find out about her search history
This... Oh no Aether and Lumine are no Cinammon buns... but little gremlins...
So this is the theory i never knew i needed
Personally i think that the travelers are based of Hesperus and Vesper of the Greek myth, they're both from the Mesopotamian origin similar to baal, morax and barbatos. they're both a reinterpretation of isaiah 14:12 where he write "how have you fallen from the sky helel ben shahar" the god shahar and his brother shalim were later adapt by the greek in Hesperus and Vesper and then by the Romans in Lucifer a single entity. the quote was later RI-formulated in "how have you fallen from the sky Lucifer" by the Romans empire.
imagine if teyvat is actually hell and the archons are the demons that are guarding the realm
They are demons
Morax who is zhongli is a demon the same for Baal
EVERYONE HYPE UP ASTER’S VIDEOS OMGG IMEFIRFJICECJE THIS IS SO GOOOD!!!!!!
I love the references in Genshin! The passages do make a lot of sense in terms of the lore.
I do wonder, with the thought of Sumeru in mind, do you think the Land of Knowledge would also connect to biblical sources, such as the concept of Forbidden knowledge.
I wonder if they’ll have demonic forms with six black wings, one being feathery and the other being bat like.
They already have 6 wings as seen in the opening, all of which are metallic extending to a translucent sheet. Whether or not they look the same in the eventual boss battle remains to be seen.
@@angeldude101 Yeah but that’s not the point.
I actually had the thought of Aether and Lumine being fallen angels, but I thought lucifer was a different entity, but couldn't figure out who. This makes more sense that they are two entities as one. As for forbidden knowledge, I thought a while back maybe abyssal power is honkai energy, and maybe Celestia is trying to protect the world from corruption (rather haphazardly).
I really think that mihoyo really did put a heavy reference on demonology,
I like to believe that the abyss traveler is lucifer, lucifer being the lord of the underworld = abyss, and we're playing as michael demiurgos(lucifer's twin), it is said that "michael led the angels during the war in heaven",
and paimon, mhm this is that part that really messes up this theory, so paimon(paimonia, paymon), one of the kings of hell, very obedient to lucifer,. so that does mean that paimon is some kind of secret agent floating thing that our twin sent to guide us?
I’m really interested what importance Lucifer might have in Genshin, if he does have a relation. I wonder how it’ll play out.
Also, maybe Teyvat has some relation to the traveler’s homeworld
the first thing this reminded me of is that paimon in ars goetia is described as being very loyal to lucifer!!
I read this theory once in a youtube comment (and reddit I think) months ago and I had the feeling that they hit the nail on the head. It's nice to see a video with more fleshed-out ideas that expand this theory.
I wonder if we'll get a nation we don't save
In the reflection of the water I see the ascention of the morning star - Mona, Final Ascention dialogue
I REMEMBER THINKING OF THIS RIGHT AFTER YOUR ARCHON NAMES VIDEO-
as someone who has always found the idea of Luciferianism and Gnosticism compelling, i really appreciate the way you cover this topic without feeding into weird moralisms and “satanic panic” type rhetoric. this stuff is fascinating and it makes for super interesting game lore!
in the new Realm of Light event, the last trial is called Lightbringer, which is another nickname as you mentioned. nice timing!
Now we do have some kind of direct in-game reference ro khaenri’ah being inspired by hell. If you go to the cave near tunigi hollow SotS in the desert, you’ll get an achievement „Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here." It’s a reference to Dante Alighieri’s „Divine Comedy”
That really comes together very well, also props for a genuine reaserch on the lucifer matter
"But it's just a theory..........A GAME THEORY!"
-MatPat, probably
People view Genshin as some dumb gacha for weebs, but it's SO much more than that tbh. I absolutely love its lore. Phrases like "the stars are a lie" have literally stuck in my head constantly since I heard them and I was absolutely mind blown when I realized the Archons were named based on the Ars Goetia.
Though it's not a game I play anymore, this theory is amazing. You've earned a sub.
So, I went into google do some research, the name Lumine doesn't exactly come from the word luminosity, it's actually an obsolete verb that means to iluminate, it has it's origins on the Latin verb lūmine. Thought this was an interesting fun fact.
I was always so confused what the actual greek or latin et of Lumine was cause i was thinking of Lux but im sure there was something deeper so thank u!
Ultimately most words starting with "Lu" and relating to light tend to come from the Latin "lux." This includes both Lumine and Lucifer.
Lucifer is not in Jewish mythology. We have a concept of "the Satan," who is an angel that serves as a sort of prosecutor that tries to convince G-d that humans are bad, but he's very distinct from the Christian Lucifer. We don't even have the concepts of fallen angels, or a Hell for him to rule/be condemned to.
In fact, the very name "Lucifer" comes from that very "you have been cast down to earth, you who once laid low the nations" passage from the Hebrew Bible that was taken out of context, as the "light-bringing morning star who fell from heaven" was referring to a Babylonian king who the prophet Isaiah was condemning. "Morning star" was a common title used by kings in the region, referring to the planet Venus, which appeared to the ancients as the last star visible in the morning and thus the bringer of the dawn.
Taken out of context?
@@beashemmad.sayson545 In context, this is part of a taunt that the prophet Isaiah tells the Hebrew people to take up on the day the King of Babylon, who was oppressing them at the time, died. The larger passage begins "On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the King of Babylon:"
It continues for several lines talking about how the oppressor is dead, how the Lord has struck him down, how he is now a powerless ghost in the land of the dead, etc. before arriving at the lines from which early Christians took the concept of Lucifer.
"How you are fallen from heaven, o shining one, son of the dawn! How you are felled to Earth, o vanquisher of nations! Once you thought in your heart, "I will climb to the sky; higher than the stars of God I will set my throne. I will sit in the mount of assembly, on the summit of Mt. Zaphon: I will mount the back of a cloud--I will match the Most High." Instead you are brought down to the land of the dead, to the bottom of the pit." In the context of taunting the King of Babylon, it pretty clearly reads as "you, a mighty and arrogant king who had conquered nations and thought yourself as mighty as a god, are now dead, and all your pride and power is worth nothing." But, to early Christians, this passage became evidence that there was a literal shining, light-bringing being who had arrogantly tried to overcome G-d before being cast down to Hell. Then, this concept was conflated with Satan, the accuser of humanity mentioned in my previous comment, and thus the Lucifer we now know, who is lord of Hell and tempts mankind to sin for his own evil purposes, came to be.
I heard that jews was moving/kick from one country to another, just wanna ask, from 1 to 10 how much would you rate God?
@@cassandrawasright1481 ohh
Man! theories like this is the reason why i fear to know the real story behind Teyvat 😬😭
Wow this theory is really fascinating.I enjoy it so much.Would love to see more theory videos from you.
Just go kick some forums and read theories there, that's where she gets all her info from.
@@My_Master_Waves I prefer watching videos about theories rather than going into some random forum for it.I did do research at times though
@@syahrulvengers720 What ever feels better for you man. But if you do decide to kick some forums you'll know some things from her videos long before she posts them, this Lumine & Aether theory of them being Lucifer is like 5 month old now and all the info is more compressed and understandable in text format.
@@My_Master_Waves Ok thanks for info then.
In the Traveller's story, it mentions an entity called "The Creator". And of course the first being that came to mind is GOD, and seeing how both the travellers have the classic depiction of heaven's color scheme of White and Gold, I actually already have a feeling that they might be angels. But I somehow never connected them with the fallen angel himself.
True, and the colors white could represent how they're "pure" or "good". I recall
Lucif. wanted to prove he was better than God/same level as god and the travelers are placed in a posit. light.
Are you thinking of how Lumine and Aether are the real God's 'messenger' or something in Gnosticism? I find that theory pretty plausible. oh and remember timr where zach (aether's va) called sarah (lumi's va) satan? Foreshadowing maybe...
Well in the Gnostic story, Jesus Christ is depicted as one of the Aeons sent by Monad aka the True God to bestow the Knowledge of Gnostic to Humanity and warn them about the machinations of the Demiurge Yaldabaoth aka the False God and his followers the Archons. So yeah maybe this is the role that Aether and Lumine might be playing.
Sarah/Lumine
Satan/Lucifer
🤨 Something seems fishy.
I loved this theory, I wonder if it truly goes deeper than just motifs. Normally I would have more to say, however this is so well done that I'm left spechless. It's always fun to theorize about this stuff, if it turns out to be true in lore than that's just an added bonus! Haha. Keep up the great work, Aster
Man, this lore is really making my head spin. I don't even know what's the truth and what's a lie anymore...
just read this theory in the comments while binging your other vids lol!! nice to see it was noticed!
I believe that the twins are angels that travel through worlds and they happen to have been drop through teyvat
I don't believe they are lucifer tho
I also notice that Aether and Albedo have many things in common
And albedo kind of consider aether his equal
As he believes that aether can save monsadt if he happen to die by the hand of that other albedo
Both have a twins
they are good
And their siblings are evil
I also see albedo being abel
And his twin is caïn
Who jealous abel(albedo) and wants to take his place
We saw a fragment of albedo's power via this fake whopple flower
Taking aether,Ambet,eula&Bennett on
Until the real albedo came to change the course of the battle
also in Albedo's first story quest, he says we an similarity to gold.
what if.. traveler is man made??
@@ryu246 no i don't think so
Albedo was actually created to be a substitute for aether
Aether and lumine faced that goddess 500 yrs ago
But after the battle lumine managed to awake but aether didn't and he stayed dormant for 500 yrs and/or it is a bit blur but aether had brief memories of kaenri'ah
So may be he did awaken after lumine ofcourse but during the battle of kaenri'ah something put him to sleep again
In kaenri'ah lumine explore the world while aether was still in his slumber and the kaenrien try to replicate aether for a reason we don't know yet
We can suppose that the twins have the power to take on the seven archons
Gold is the pinacle of alchemist
It is supposingly a very strong ingredient
Albedo's master(mother)
Used gold with other element
She tried to use soil and gold as base material and we got the first albedo
But he was defect
And i suppose that they aren't even the first
The fakebedo was dispose he was eaten by durin or something like this
And yrs later
Being in durin's belly he got resurrected
And for the albedo we know
His mother used chalk&gold
As chalk is a purer material than soil
So albedo was not a complete failure
But he still couldn't have aether's unique abilities
As albedo needs a vision and he can't resonate with other elements
Okay if this is the case. This makes it feel like the final boss will be all of Celestia. Because the Archons are technically the demons that are on Lucifer's side, even though they're classified as gods. But Celestia seems like a higher power even above the Archons themselves, so they're probably behind everything horrible that the abyss sibling saw
Everytime you mention Seraph, I have war flashbacks of Seraph of The End specially now that I know the Twins really have SeraphWings. XD
Aster listen to Mona's final level up line 👀
aaaaa I've been waiting for this! It's understandable if you made this long since I would've carried away as well- anyways, this was well scripted and said! Thanks for sharing your theories with us! 🙈💖
Nice piece of theory....
A nice piece of food for the brain.... but it does make sense, after all the first cutscene were the twin is accused of having broken the heavenly principle and another side of the story it feels like the twin are the heart of rebellion against the heavenly principle. Aiding or having incontact with those who discard connection to celestia....
Not sure if this is just a coincidence or if I'm reaching and looking too much into it, but both Aether and Lumine's english localized names can be seen as having portions of the name "Lucifer"
"Lu"mine and Aeth"er"
If it *is* intentional, I wonder if Lumine being in the beginning of the name while Aether has the ending portion is symbolic in any way
HOLY SH-
I believe the reason why it's HUGELY symbolic is because Lumine was first to wake up and travel Teyvat, starting from Khaenriah to Mondstadt (?)
Meanwhile, Aether travels THE OPPOSITE WAY his twin did, starting in Mondstadt and eventually ending in Khaenriah (and possibly Celestia?))
"I see the ascension of the morning star"
- Mona I just ascended too
Oh yeah, This was in mind since like the 1.5 Update nice to see it covered here
Thank you for making this video!! I’m not sure if you saw my rq for this specific topic but thank you nonetheless ^^
That Lucifer quote is very close to Jesus quote
I think its importamt to note that at 11:48 when lumine says shes at war with destiny, in the dialogue from 1.4 quest, shes actually says shes at war with the heavenly principals (天理), it was a mistranslation.
天理 often gets translated into the devine, destiny etc despite it referring to one being. Its very possible that EN translators dont play the game and thats why there are so many errors
Ah yes, the good ol classic "mistranslations" that throw dozens of theories off its head. Duly noted
@@ChillwithAster same mistranslations piss people off sometimes, like dendro archon suddenly being female, same with gold, chinese/japanese lack pronouns so the translators probably assumed its a he. Dendro archon was intended to be female since closed beta ^
When I read Angel and Demons by Dan Brown, the way he described connection between lumination and morning star, I was thinking Istaroth might be in reference of morning star, as he was the only one helping underground civilization (underworld?). But man this makes more sense, Lumine matches with lumination more. 😅
the Unknown God also has a demon name which is Asmoday.
Could
Aether trying to learn the truth of the world, Lumine rebelling against the devine and the fruits of the Irminsul Tree
have something to do with Adam and Eve eating the fruits from God's tree of knowledge?
And that would mean the first ancient civilization could be like the descendants of Adam and Eve…
Oh fuck
@@Samchanne21 that...if that turns out to be true it would be crazy. If you think about it Seelies' description of their original form pretty much resembles the Travellers. Also they are guides and bring light just like Aether and Lumine. Even their little gardens have little wings as if they resemble little angels and the Travellers have elements of design that are common of Angels depictions
came back here after a new 4.7 dain quest. oh lord, have mercy, why is it all coming together...
I mean...at this point I just hit "like" after I hit play. I know I'm getting quality for the next 8 to 20 mins.
Came for the Lore
stayed for the Storytelling voice
Aster, stop summoning demons in my room!
also many of these demons are deities from other religions, such as baal and beezlebub being from the caananite religion, lucifer being a minor greek god, and paimon from a mesopotamian religion which makes them being gods in genshin even more fascinating
never thought id see the day where theyd have to be a "bt dubs im not worshiping the devil" disclaimer lmao
By all means, please do get carried away more often and longer 😂💗
This is very out of topic, but... Your voice is lovely 😳💕
Twins are the most interesting characters in the game
It's actually funny how I never refer to the devil as Lucifer but just Devil since I know that there would always be two sides to as same coin just like how Gods can seemingly do questionable things
It's very likely the trees in domains and the ley lines are connected to the Imaginary Tree from Honkai Impact as it was stated that Genshin Impact is part of the Honkai Universe. Someone made a theory on that but I can't remember who.
@Ashikai I believe
Ang ganda nanaman ng theory mo, kakakilabot yung pagkakapareho
Mapapaisip ka na lang, paano nga kung si Lucifer talagang katulad ni Aether na nikalaban yung mga nasa taas para sa alam nyang tama, tapos nipalabas na mali o masama sya katulad ng mga nituturo ngayon
Well here is a thing po kapatid.
Marami pong bagay sa biblya na hindi po ipinapakita ng simbahan sa kanilang mga sermon. 🙃😅
I love this! So interesting and definitely makes a lot of sense
I mean ancient Mesopotamia did believe that there were 7 malicious demons in play. That's the first known sign of demonology in history.
Amazing work!
I also have another speculation although it's mainly based on slight hints and mostly assumptions.
I think in one of the next few patches, Paimon will die or be replaced by a new mascot - and it may be related to Enkanomiya.
In the Ninja dog event, Paimon kept saying that she'll always be with the traveller or even if she isn't she'll still worry about traveller as if they're gonna be separated soon.
Now Enkanomiya is in the whirlpool in the middle of watatsumi island. It maybe a reference of the Bermuda triangle and may hold similarities. (Like maybe time travel)
In the event of travelling into Enkanomiya maybe paimon will be trapped and sent into a different time and in the future they'll meet again.
Another hint is that in sereniteapot, paimon has been added in a separate section than normal companions, indicating that she may be replaced.
I just feel bad about Paimon going away though, if it's real.
I like your theory but I don't think paimon will die or replaced, yes she will die but in the end (maybe) not so soon i 99.9% sure that paimon have divine powers so she can't die like that! And I also don't think that mihoyo keep killing characters one by one. Inazuma was already dark enough (2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3) so Im not thinking that mihoyo will kill paimon, especially not so soon
@@Penguin472 thanks 😊
And i hope so too that nothing like that happens to paimon
Dang, I didn't know it's out now
Demonology with Aster
Lucifer in the hebrew bible was a cherubim he was probably one one of the most beautiful angels in heaven at that time he had gem stones and stuff he also led worship in heaven but he was blinded by his beauty and pride and wanted to be worshipped like GOD The Father in heaven and had an ambition to sit on a higher throne than GOD(Literally the one who made him and his outward “beauty”) and he also convinced 1/3 of the angels in heaven to rebel against GOD he probably backstabbed GOD and made gossip literally lies to make a bad image of GOD to those angels and GOD wasn’t able to destroy them immediately because if He will destroy them then the other angels who are standing beside the throne of GOD will fear or be terrified of GOD and doubt him and He doesn’t want that because GOD wants to be worshipped for his beauty as in kindness all the inner beauty for who HE is not only for what He has (richness and power and all) or what He has done but for who He is a loving father and all.. because He created those angels for his own pleasure and loved them and he also gave them free will.. freewill to choose to love and serve him and not forced to love and obey him like robots.. so He let them go and banished them from heaven.. God also told them not to touch or mess with His new creation the humans but they were hard headed(of course) and they tempted eve by using lies and making them doubt GOD like GOD is hiding something from them even though humans are already made in the image of GOD as said by GOD himself when he created humans in that garden.. lucifer or satan told them that if they eat the fruit they will be “like God” even though we as humans are already made into the image and “likeness of God” so the devil again made them doubt GOD and made a bad image of GOD by his lies and gossip or backstabbing…then we as humans got corrupted and because of them people die,get sick, grow old etc.. but God made away to reconcile us to Him to be together forever with Him in Heaven which is through Jesus Christ by accepting Him as our Lord and savior because he paid the price for our sins basically He took God’s punishment for us on our behalf and suffered on the cross for us to be with Him forever in Heaven.. but someday God will throw those fallen angels and his demons to the lake of fire and end them for good for all the evil things they’ve caused on earth and God’s creation.
I suggest to watch this short movie or documentary about the origin of conflict or the fall of the fallen angels i watched this 3 years ago and it gives you insight and understanding on what really happened that time - ruclips.net/video/JqLIndMA9Ks/видео.html
if the opulunt husk is scaramouche, then domains dont only give knowledge of the past but present aswell.
As someone to goes to church on a weekly basis, this was an interesting watch.