So, I got to play a bit with both Zap-Map and ABRP. Both configured for Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, real winter range of 115 miles, accepting Type2 (22kW) and CCS chargers, 15% SoC when reaching the charging stations. Max charge to 90% each time. I have to say, even in its free version ABPR does indeed offer more options to accurately tailor your journey to realistic stopping points (multiple chargers, etc). It even takes into account the load of the car that you can input in the settings. Quite impressive. So indeed, for long journeys ABRP seems the way to go, while Zap-Map could still be used locally. In all fairness to Zap-Map, in your example you could have opted for “Show all chargers” along your path to find out which one would suit your needs. But I agree, a bit of fiddling there. I also tried ChargeMap with similar settings and it worked very well, and gave similar results to ABRP, despite having less options. So, all three seem quite good. Thanks for the video 🙏🏻
I tend to head for Instavolt chargers where possible and, as we need to charge every 100 miles or so, I want to do it fast with their 120kWh chargers! It generally works for me where I want to go. The Instavolt app will route you to the charger using Google maps, ideal with Android Auto on the Ioniq. If I turn up and the place is busy (this is rare) I use Watts Up or Chargemap to find something suitable nearby checking with the charge point operators app to see if it's working and available before heading off to it. I filter out even 50kWh chargers where possible as they are too slow. I tend to arrive with sub 20% and can be off at 80% in about 15 minutes with a properly fast charger.
Interesting. Technically the Instavolt app would have been a fail on this test, as it does not have a routing/planning function. They have pretty good coverage though.
Interesting video thanks - I've tried most of these apps and, like you, find there are pros and cons for each. None is close to perfect. So far, I've not found that ABRP is better than the others, but I'll give it another go after seeing this! 🙂 Like some other comments below, I find GridServe or Instavolt are pretty good so this is my generally preferred option.
I think moving forward you may be able to just pick one or two networks you like (especially if you have decent range on your car) and stick to those, not needing an app. Would love to see more gridserve forecourts for instance in the UK
After doing a 213 miles trip with my “new” Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, I can now confirm that ABRP was a no brainer. Once on locations, Zap-Map was indeed sufficient, and handy with charging station reviews. But for the big road/motorway stops and planning, ABRP worked like a charm. In terms of planned range with respect to stops and destinations, the Hyundai on-board system was very conservative whereas ABRP was more optimistic while still being sufficiently conservative to avoid being stranded with a low battery. I only used the free app, would you recommend the paid version? And if so, why? Thanks.
I think the car seemed pessimistic because of previous usage. One thing you will see is the GOM tends to remember previous usage efficiency for a bit too long. I have tried the paid for option of ABRP last summer and didn't think it added too much tbh. I used an EVnotify + free ABRP combo setup on a 700 km trip over thr Christmas and that was very good.
@@trmbtwo thanks for your feedback. Interesting to know about the GOM’s memory. Probably true as I have not done any reset of any kind. I have noticed that the on-board system has been updated by Hyundai recently (end 2022).
ABRP isn't perfect, but it has been the most accurate in my testing so far. Zapmap is pretty good for locating chargers and rating them, but the route planning part leaves a lot to be desired. For example, I planned a round trip (all motorway) of 200 miles. Zapmap says my real world EV range is 236 miles and because the journey is 200 miles it says my car has enough range for the trip. At motorway speeds, or if it rains or it is cold, I am very unlikely to make it on one charge. Electroverse and ABRP both recommend a quick 5 min top up. The issue with ABRP is the app is quite buggy and navigation is not great, so I tend to use it as a guide and use something like Google Maps or Apple Maps for navigation.
@@mistymu8154 ABRP has improved a lot recently, but yes, they should just drop the navigation tool altogether and maintain the app just as a planner or partner with a company that knows how to create a decent GPS-based navigation tool. I too only use it for planning and either export the planning into Google Maps to use with CarPlay or I manually enter the journey’s plan in the on-board system that is pretty good (Hyundai).
Is there an app where I can plan a route without charging stops, but then during navigation there is a list of all upcoming chargers? (List should include infos about DC/AC, power, distance, distance from planned route, count of chargers, toilet and food available?, ideally price) I just want to set where I want to go and start driving. Then I can just pick a charger on the go. This way there is also not need for configuring consumption, SoC thresholds etc... I have not yet found an app that can do this although it should be easier then actually planning the stops.
Excellent question. I am not aware any do this though, it would take monitoring all key providers, adjusting for cards/subscriptions you own etc... but yeah that would make a lot of sense to offer.
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So, I got to play a bit with both Zap-Map and ABRP. Both configured for Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, real winter range of 115 miles, accepting Type2 (22kW) and CCS chargers, 15% SoC when reaching the charging stations. Max charge to 90% each time. I have to say, even in its free version ABPR does indeed offer more options to accurately tailor your journey to realistic stopping points (multiple chargers, etc). It even takes into account the load of the car that you can input in the settings. Quite impressive. So indeed, for long journeys ABRP seems the way to go, while Zap-Map could still be used locally. In all fairness to Zap-Map, in your example you could have opted for “Show all chargers” along your path to find out which one would suit your needs. But I agree, a bit of fiddling there. I also tried ChargeMap with similar settings and it worked very well, and gave similar results to ABRP, despite having less options. So, all three seem quite good. Thanks for the video 🙏🏻
I tend to head for Instavolt chargers where possible and, as we need to charge every 100 miles or so, I want to do it fast with their 120kWh chargers! It generally works for me where I want to go. The Instavolt app will route you to the charger using Google maps, ideal with Android Auto on the Ioniq.
If I turn up and the place is busy (this is rare) I use Watts Up or Chargemap to find something suitable nearby checking with the charge point operators app to see if it's working and available before heading off to it. I filter out even 50kWh chargers where possible as they are too slow. I tend to arrive with sub 20% and can be off at 80% in about 15 minutes with a properly fast charger.
Interesting. Technically the Instavolt app would have been a fail on this test, as it does not have a routing/planning function. They have pretty good coverage though.
Interesting video thanks - I've tried most of these apps and, like you, find there are pros and cons for each. None is close to perfect. So far, I've not found that ABRP is better than the others, but I'll give it another go after seeing this! 🙂 Like some other comments below, I find GridServe or Instavolt are pretty good so this is my generally preferred option.
I think moving forward you may be able to just pick one or two networks you like (especially if you have decent range on your car) and stick to those, not needing an app. Would love to see more gridserve forecourts for instance in the UK
Thanks
Gridserve Rugby has many chargers, a bit pricey
After doing a 213 miles trip with my “new” Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, I can now confirm that ABRP was a no brainer. Once on locations, Zap-Map was indeed sufficient, and handy with charging station reviews. But for the big road/motorway stops and planning, ABRP worked like a charm. In terms of planned range with respect to stops and destinations, the Hyundai on-board system was very conservative whereas ABRP was more optimistic while still being sufficiently conservative to avoid being stranded with a low battery. I only used the free app, would you recommend the paid version? And if so, why? Thanks.
I think the car seemed pessimistic because of previous usage. One thing you will see is the GOM tends to remember previous usage efficiency for a bit too long. I have tried the paid for option of ABRP last summer and didn't think it added too much tbh. I used an EVnotify + free ABRP combo setup on a 700 km trip over thr Christmas and that was very good.
You should be able to trial the paid for option of ABRP for 30 days for free. I have not used it much myself.
@@trmbtwo thanks for your feedback. Interesting to know about the GOM’s memory. Probably true as I have not done any reset of any kind. I have noticed that the on-board system has been updated by Hyundai recently (end 2022).
ABRP isn't perfect, but it has been the most accurate in my testing so far. Zapmap is pretty good for locating chargers and rating them, but the route planning part leaves a lot to be desired. For example, I planned a round trip (all motorway) of 200 miles. Zapmap says my real world EV range is 236 miles and because the journey is 200 miles it says my car has enough range for the trip. At motorway speeds, or if it rains or it is cold, I am very unlikely to make it on one charge. Electroverse and ABRP both recommend a quick 5 min top up. The issue with ABRP is the app is quite buggy and navigation is not great, so I tend to use it as a guide and use something like Google Maps or Apple Maps for navigation.
@@mistymu8154 ABRP has improved a lot recently, but yes, they should just drop the navigation tool altogether and maintain the app just as a planner or partner with a company that knows how to create a decent GPS-based navigation tool. I too only use it for planning and either export the planning into Google Maps to use with CarPlay or I manually enter the journey’s plan in the on-board system that is pretty good (Hyundai).
Zap-Map does allow you to filter on multiple chargers
OK thanks
Is there an app where I can plan a route without charging stops, but then during navigation there is a list of all upcoming chargers?
(List should include infos about DC/AC, power, distance, distance from planned route, count of chargers, toilet and food available?, ideally price)
I just want to set where I want to go and start driving. Then I can just pick a charger on the go.
This way there is also not need for configuring consumption, SoC thresholds etc...
I have not yet found an app that can do this although it should be easier then actually planning the stops.
Try plugshare, that should get you close to what you're describing
Which of these can route plan based on lowers price?
Excellent question. I am not aware any do this though, it would take monitoring all key providers, adjusting for cards/subscriptions you own etc... but yeah that would make a lot of sense to offer.
Where's the 700 mile trip video? I saw a reminder saying it was supposed to premiere yesterday at 730pm UK time
Thanks for the interest... needs re uploading but it s coming
@@evdabbler sure thanks