5:05 Naruto didn’t randomly spawn Kurama's chakra. Naruto trained with Jiraiya to figure out how to tap into Kurama's power prior to him fighting Neji.
Ohh yeah. Wasn't that the training with summoning Gamabunta and using Kurama's chakra to not die from getting thrown off the mountain? I think I remember that. Naruto winning always just felt like a typical underdog victory but hard to be okay with since he had all of his chakra points severed.
Bro u just lied 😂. Yes the training was for him to tap into the power at will, but he was nowhere near able to do that at all. Hes never able to tap into kuruma's power at will until he befriends him. All the way up to the pain arc Naruto still couldn't tap into kuruma's chakra at will.
@@eyequeue1297 No, you just don't know what you're talking about. It still didn't come out of nowhere. The manga literally foreshadowed it. And how tf is it a lie when that is literally what happened? He did it against neji and was able to go it again against Gaara.
You know what we forget? Naruto is the reincarnation of *another* underdog. Asura didn’t inherit any of the swagger Hagoromo had, that was Indra’s bag. He only inherited Ninshu because he cooperated with people and created harmony among their people despite his lack of talents. Didn’t matter if he acquired it himself, because that’s Indra’s story. He *earned* that power, and that title.
I feel like the Kazekage Rescue is an underwhelming arc to return to. Naruto feels like an afterthought especially in hindsight as we realize that Naruto marginally got stronger between the timeskip. Sakura finding out Naruto is the nine tails Jinchuriki is underwhelming, the next arc actually plays with the concept better. You can literally change the Jinchuriki from Gaara to any other one, take Naruto out of that arc, and let the akatsuki win in the end. You can still have Sakura find out about Naruto and have her be determined to not allow the same thing to happen to him.
I don't think madara is too strong but i do think that Madara was too smart for the powers he had. We look at Kaguya and compare her to madara in terms of intelligence it's like comparing a toddler with CTE to light fucking yagami It's just not the same, Madara was leagues and bounds more intelligent than Kaguya was. The way he used his abilities and how he was using the six paths power was also just absolutely insane, Naruto and Sasuke probably could have beaten Madara if Madara didn't completely outsmart the two of them.
I myself actually thought Naruto and Sasuke were about to really go all out against Madara after the Infinite Tsukuyomi had been cast. He seemed tough, challenging, but not impossible to beat. A bit of strategy here and there should've done the trick...
@@danganmioda9713 the problem mainly was a matter of not if they could come up with a strategy but could they out stratigize Madara Uchiha. That's just something I don't see possible for naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi like how they did to kaguya. Kaguya was an easier opponent to beat because she was both insane and extremely stupid. She didn't know about Naruto's tricks or Sasukes ability to plan out attacks and she had extra factors like DMS Kakashi and Sakura basically sneaking her. Madara has Naruto's unpredictable trickery and planning ability that puts Sasuke to shame. On top of that he was already stronger than the two of them and had their abilities with his own and limbo. Give that moveset to Kaguya and she would have gotten folded in .2 seconds but Madara is a different story because he knows how to deal with certain things. He knows how to deal with shadow clones he knows how to completely counter the sealing technique Sasuke and Naruto were going to use on him, he basically knew their arsenal and just had to learn the newer sixpaths powers which he was doing in their fight. Kaguya was mentally handicapped, had no idea what anyone amongst the group of Shinobi were capable of, and the only thing she had going for her was that she was stronger than Madara. She doesn't even have taijutsu like that, she's a ninjutsu merchant.
@@indrainspace2601 I see your point (My bad if I made Madara seemed dumb/not tactical). Do wish that instead of Kaguya, like how Sage said it if I recall correctly, Naruto and Sasuke simply had been holding back a bit/needed time for learning their new powers as they went, much like how you mentioned Madara was essentially growing stronger as he figured things out.
When tf did Madara made a battle strategy that put Sasuke to shame? Like deidara vs Sasuke was like the best strategy in the entire series. How did you even get the idea that Madara was too smart for Sasuke. Madara got caught by five kage strategy that he had to use a perfect susanoo to breakout. All of the time Madara winning was just bcuz he was fcking op. Not fcking smart. Madara got got tricked by a simple wood substitution by hashimara and he had to use izanagi to revive. Also it is the complete opposite of what you said. It is not that Madara was countering naruto. Naruto was countering everything Madara has. His best hax limbo was getting countered by literal shadow colnes by naruto. And Naruto can make over a thousand of them. His best genjutsu was getting countered by Sasuke susanoo. And nothing else in Madara bag was doing anything to Naruto anymore. Susanoo clones? Naruto can do kurama clones that too. Probbaly better ones at that. Nature releases? Naruto has better nature releases from the nine beasts he got. Any other rinnegan abilities? Sasuke has them. On the other side Madara has no answer for boil release and ashura mode. Both of which should far outclass madara's power. Madara was about to get stomped by Naruto and Sasuke if kaguya didn't showed up.@@indrainspace2601
4:33 I don’t get the reincarnation take. Him being a reincarnation literally only means that he is destined to fight Sasuke. Nothing more. The power up they received in the war arc was from the Sage of six paths chakra, and last time I checked, Naruto wasn’t a reincarnation of the Sage of six paths. 5:27 Not to mention the village wanting Naruto to die for reasons outside of his control
6:57 I didn’t grow up watching Naruto I watched it like a few years ago and I’m not kidding that fight nearly made me drop the show by how many times it cut away and cut back to it just for them to have a single thought and cut away again
Madara isn't the corrupt version of Naruto but he represents a past "Naruto" in Hashirama who failed in saving his best friend. It was basically showing why Naruto didn't kill sasuke at the end. That act of true love that Madara felt like he didn't get. That said, it's still the same problem of every villain after sage mode literally existing to show "what would happen if Naruto wasn't the perfect version of himself that he is right now"
I consider Yusuke and Goku as underdogs tbh. Nothing about them screams prodigy. They always had to train to get stronger just to be on the level as the next villain whereas Naruto always had a complete asspull power up just because Kurama didn't want him losing fights Edit: Naruto was never an underdog main character. His only loss is against Sasuke at Final Valley the first time they fought. Other than that Naruto has never lost a fight
I fell like you're one of the few that realized this. I believe this show is about bonds but that wasn't written well because bad character logic, all it matter was drama set ups for fights and the Uchiha obsessive favoritism.
@@eyequeue1297I got a take that the Naruto/Shippuden split should’ve been after the Pain arc. Pain competed all of Naruto’s character arcs from the original series. The rest of Shippuden is the Uchiha/Biju/Space Alien show.
@@blank-vj1mc From a character stand point that makes sense, but I guess they didn't want him to fight pain that early cos there would be no way kid naruto would be able to best him.
Yeah he was an underdog with the potential of possibly the greatest prodigy Konoha had ever seen. In the first episode b4 he was even a Genin, he easily took out a Chunnin level ninja. He was very overpowered from the start when he stopped holding back. Then having a Kage level battle during the Chunnin Exams, b4 the 3rd Hokage was even dead. So yeah he wasn't as much of an underdog as the show tried to make us believe.
Filler wasn't to stretch it lmao it was to make sure the gap was enough so if the mangaka got sick or a sudden break the weekly anime wouldn't hace to suddenly super hard pivot like how fma did originally
I will always have the opinion that Kishimoto should have kept Itachi as a villain. And Sakura should've gotten over her obsession with Sasuke, or Kishimoto should have given Sasuke a redeeming quality that constitutes Sasuke and Sakura becoming a couple. Also the power creep is annoying. There's a couple of other things, but generally, I love the series for what it is.
I honestly wished he was never in a relationship at all until he got himself together. Sakura definitely should have moved on from sasuke. I still feel like most of the female characters were poorly written, and im still mad at kishimoto for ruined Sakura character. If Sakura had truly wanted a relationship, I felt like Rock Lee would have been perfect for her since he liked her just like Naruto did. Sasuke being with Sakura felt like a punishment, then a reward. Because he got off way too easy.
@@Kyonvtuber Yep. She married and had a kid by a guy who never cared for her and tried to kill at least once (I think twice) with the entire basis of her feelings literally being a shallow schoolgirl crush on the school cool guy.
Bro the earliest filler arc in one piece is the dragon island bs, and that shit is trash let's be honest here. The filler in loguetown for usopp was good, but the cooking contest shit was way too over the top with sanjis "rival" that bih is obnoxious.
I think the main issue when debating SSJ Rage is that by this point, only a niche group actually cares with the limited information that we have. With all luck, and I mean, ALL of it, maybe those what-if scenarios in Sparking ZERO could have something to say. Goku Black's arc had a story scene in the trailer. Considering how this has nothing to do with the video, I figured it should be separate from whatever I comment about Naruto.
Thr people that complain about "talk no jutsu" missed the purpose of naruto. The fact that naruto was able to befriend an enemy like gaara, haku, and zabuza on his own was the point.
No, not really. It's not that people misunderstand, the argument is that it's stupid how some dumb kid who knows nothing about how the world works can radically change the world views of the hardened ninja who've been through everything they've been through and have held these stong beliefs for years just through some empty platitudes. Add in just how frequently it's used, and it just becomes a bad joke.
Talk no jutsu is fine in concept and lots of scenes in Naruto and other shows make it work because they are characters who aren't irredeemable. However, Naruto goes above and beyond and makes characters who should be irredeemable, somehow redeemable. Either by Naruto forgiving them, when he really shouldn't like Obito who literally is why both his parents died and his whole life was shit up until ninja academy. Or by adding some dues ex machina, like Naruto going ape shit on Pain, reasonably so. Being willing to give himself into the nine tails, only for daddy chakra to save him and change his mind and forgive Nagato. AND made him redeemable by adding a trade in your life for all the mfs you just murdered jutsu, except for Jiraiya who just stays hoed. That's what makes talk no jutsu a meme.
people are just dumb thats all, talk no jutsu is the best answer naruto has to villains, the whole theme of naruto is peace and hatred, whenever you kill or punish someone the cycle of hatred continues and someone else takes theor place. an example is itachi, itachi suffered the consequences of something he was forced to do and thus shin uchiha was born to take his place and act as itachis vengeance, the same goes for yahiko, yahiko was punished and thus pain was born, there are more examples but thats just a few.
Love the consistency Sage. Started watching you from Solz and Sage then came over to your channel from lkiab. I need to catch the streams more as well but man slowly becoming my favorite bucker.
What I find funny as hell regarding fillers. Naruto was my first ever anime apart from Dragon Ball Z which I grew up with because of my dad watching it too. I watched every episode of OG Naruto without knowing what fillers were, to the point were after I finished episode 131 which is the last canon episode, I watched like 50+ episodes after being like "well there is 200 episodes, they must find Sasuke before Shippuden starts". Me being dumb ig
The idea that Naruto was socially an underdog is true. But as far as talent and power fuck no. Even as a child the moment he beat Haku using his little “inner demon” then did it to Neji and Garra. I as a child was like “he’s not an underdog he has a fucking get out of jail free card and that’s boring”
Kabuto was right about this story of Naruto - ppl wit no talent are nothing & implies ppl steal other ppl powers to matter (ppl are stealing eyes & more) & if you’re not Naruto or an Uchiha then you don’t matter 😂😂😂😂
Kishimoto not knowing how to kill Madara, was not a cop out. I believe he said this while Madara was still alive in the anime. As for Kaguya, yes she was stronger with raw power, but she was not experienced in fighting ninja like Madara was. Therefore she wasn't able to properly strategize and use her powers to defeat Team 7. In fact she didn't know what she was doing, so much to the point that Naruto and Sasuke still had enough energy to have their final fight. Madara as he was, was entirely too strong and too experienced to outright lose to both Naruto and Sasuke, he would have either won or at the very least killed or crippled one of them to where the final battle couldn't happen. Kishimoto genuinely didn't know how to kill Madara without a deus ex machina. Hence, Kaguya and the Otsoostski
"Kishimoto not knowing how to kill Madara, was not a cop out. I believe he said this while Madara was still alive in the anime." Kishimoto never said this btw also it makes like zero sense as Naruto & Sasuke were kind of beating Madara up before that point.
God I hate it when writers create these ultra powerful beings just to go "I think I did too much" yeah, you're letting one of the already strongest ninjas in the series get almost every single amp possible, you KNEW this was a possibility, but you somehow don't know how to get rid of them? You wanted this
If Kishi want Naruto&Sasuke to beat Madara, they will beat it. Jubito was beaten by 9 tail+Perfect Susanoo combo which was defeated by Hashirama (way weaker than Jubito) easily in Madara fight. Kishi gave 6 Paths power to Naruto&Sasuke from nowhere and we don't know how strong 6 Paths. after Madara's resurrection by Obito, Kishimoto threw power scale to trash bin. Blind Madara beat every character in 2 minutes, after he come Jinjuriki, somehow He lost his OPness instantly.
Yeah I agree on the filler take. A lot of people have stated that the dropped bleach during the bount arc and I can't blame them. Studio periot is awful when it comes to fillers
I still think people that say Naruto wasn't a prodigy or didn't know are in denial or are somehow crazy stupid. My mom just trying to chat about my interest, first thing she saw was the opening and saw the Minato head and asked is that his dad?
When it comes to Naruto vs Neji, yea, Neji realistically wins that fight. However, that actually ADDS to the point of Naruto being an underdog, if you really think on it. It's been stated throughout this time that the Nine Tails was evil, or against him, and that did in fact portray him as an underdog. I think this is what causes the error in peoples' interpretations: Naruto WAS an under dog. Being a reincarnate of Ashura MEANS you are the underdog, that was the entire point. If you want to say Naruto isn't the same because he's the reincarnation of someone who had to fight his way from the bottom, then you might just be insane. In terms of the life he lives, that's exactly what goes down. Him eventually becoming the strong guy is just finishing the underdog story. It's not only a hindsight take to say Naruto isn't an underdog, but incorrect.. Flat out wrong. And for that, I agree with you Sage. I don't think to any capacity that Naruto wasn't, and people just need to have better understanding of the source material rather than a better understanding of how to activate a Rasengan.
Funny how people say Naruto is so fucking stupid on the battlefield or he would get his own team killed if he was promoted, and now these guys wanna say Naruto is a prodigy all of a sudden. How ironic is that.
Way too much Filler and the slow pacing of the first arc are what killed Shipuuden...and Kaguya. She could've been such a scary character but didn't live up to the very abrupt hype especially after showing when we were already seeing the most foreshadowed character in Shonen live beyond the hype. Outside of that Naruto was extremely amazing. So much so I generally don't find new Anime's compelling
The disconnect is it doesn't matter if he's shown as an underdog because based off what we see at the end an even towards the end of naruto before shippuden he isn't actually it's the same disconnect as the last of us 2's message
@@2changJRPGmusicno but he has to be an actual underdog before he’s good. Naruto from the first episode was already very good just needed some honing of his skills
He IS an underdog bro he can't even control his chakra at the start and only survives because he has the nine tails rage boost. Bro would've died in land of waves without it, bro would've lost against kiba if it wasn't for the gag ending and kibas super sense of smell, bro would've lost against neji without his nine tail rage boost. He is set up to lose in almost every encounter in early Naruto and gets by on luck. He only really starts to really catch up in skill around the Tsunade arc. He isn't even that great at taijutsu at first and that shit doesn't even require much chakra like what are we talking about here???
@@2changJRPGmusic a nine tails rage boost is luck when it happens once. That shit was happening so often it made him much better than more than half his class. And it was happening so often he could damn near count on it to happen if he needed it.
@@2changJRPGmusic to me sakura was more of an underdog in her encounters then naruto because she was so bad no one expected her to win almost any. Naruto is the jinchiriki of the strongest tailed beast and that was overpowered from the start, literally ep 1
Can you imagine be a Bleach fan watching live and have to wait A HOLE YEAR of filler to see the Gotei 13 vs Arrancar??? Damn 60 episodes of fillers is CRAAAAAZY.
The second 4:28 I found out Kurama had niggas like the Kages shook he stopped being an underdog up until I saw Hidan and Kakzu off screen the two tails but even that didn’t last
People forget CONSTANTLY that until Naruto could intentionally tap into and control the nine tails chakra that KURAMA WAS NERFING HIM. Naruto’s chakra control when he was learning to walk on water was made harder by the fact that Orochimaru loosened the seal. Naruto’s chakra pool was a fraction of what it should’ve been because so much was being passively used to keep Kurama sealed inside him and in check. Not to mention the fact that if he lost control he would put all of his loved ones and friends in danger like when he went fourth tail on jiraiya. Can we stop fucking acting like Kurama didn’t have massive drawbacks to p1 and early shippuden Naruto and wasn’t just some “bs plot powerup” to help him win fights? The dude was an underdog plain and simple, let’s stop pushing that bullshit idea that he wasn’t
I guess I just did a good understanding that fillers weren't a part of the story and why it was not a problem to me.😂😂 I'm sorry yall find them a problem
I can say that I’ve seen some good filler episodes of Naruto and some of the best filler arcs I seen was my hero academia I actually enjoyed them and made me like the characters more
Naruto being a reincarnation contradicts of the plot of the story of hard work beats talent plus the “hard workers” in the series doesn’t even win or was forgotten Lee lost to gaara was an L.gai had 1 w.Naruto clan being op wasn’t mentioned until later shippuden then Naruto has 8 different clones of himself that had the same goal like konahamaru tsunade brother & her husband & they all never achieved the hard work beats talented goal. Naruto is a finished story that’s unfinished there’s so many sub plots that was dropped.
Naruto was never about hard work. Literally Talk No Jutsu contradicts that very concept. No person Naruto used Talk No Jutsu on was ever persuaded by his hard work. They were persuaded by his understanding of them. The true theme of Naruto is can two people understand each other despite not being the same person or going through the same things in life.
@@Menoman235 Naruto & Lee was build up to be the loser & surpass sasuke was talented gaara & neji & more but Naruto being an elite clan (uzamaki) contradicts the plot of Naruto character cuz his clan being op wasn’t mentioned until later shippuden then Naruto has 8 different clones of himself that had the same goal like konahamaru tsunade brother & husband & they all never achieved the hard work beats talented
@@Menoman235that’s cap it was his hard work going against them with his resolve and he wouldn’t have that if he didn’t train hard I’d be lying if i said there wasn’t any plot convenience at all but saying Naruto only used talk no jutstu and nothing else is a complete lie and is disingenuous to the world of Naruto and the nuance of the villains in the manga
I got a theory for all these canon gatekeeping nerds i know they have no answer for this. Garlic Jr. and the Makyo Star is the reason why the main timeline changes. Nobody can debate me on it
For me Shippuden>OG>boruto, only reason I don't have the 1st two tied is because part 1 over explains so much, as most anime does, and compared to shippudden which significantly does less of that imo, yeah, it's easy.
I'm so glad I slept on Naruto until way after it was out lol. I didn't start watching Naruto until late 2012 with Shippuden. I saw 50% of Naruto part I just in flashback and filler... I think Shippuden is fantastic but you can't deny that it does fall off after Pain. I will say the Kage Summit and Sasuke vs. Danzo is the very end and then it realllllly falls off. From great pacing to HORRIBLE
madara is way stronger and way more intelligent than kaguya... kaguya didn't have anything special exept her like "bones" that killed obito... madara had 2 rinnegans, crazy regeneration and crazy chakra... we didn't even see the true power of rinnesharingan, i mean yes the inf tsukuyomi is super strong but i think it has more abilityes... also shhonen jump forsed kishimoto to intruduse kaguya to continue the story and make more money
@@nebojsakostadinov8486 I mean she had Madaras chakra and all his abilities inevitably, being the mother of chakra, Intellect definitely goes to Madara. The only reason they didn't give her the same hax is because she needed to be beat. Same reason Madara got got 😂. I appreciate the thought out response tho
It always felt like they should've waited to do Kaguya and the alien chakra monsters for Boruto. Not even just on the basis of how Madara went out, it felt WAY too sudden and all that info. Goddamn. Not even counting the filler of her they had. Could've just been Madara needing to be stopped cause of the corrupting power of the fruit and how it's grown. Could've sealed him after getting the amp.
Probably doesn't read comments but: Madara WAS too powerful for them to actually beat, the only reason they sealed Kaguya. Was because she's downright stupid, Madara on the other hand was a genius. A prodigy, they attempted to seal him and he substituted with a clone in that instant, Right after getting his second Rinnegan they couldn't touch him Like imagine trying to beat someone, that has your level of skill, if not better. Same with your arsenal, but doubled. And invincible clones that can not die And in the storm games, THEY can use the susano'o
I say it to this day. All Naruto eeded was to Madara shkuld have been the final villain. Left the foreshadow pf Kaguya when the infinite tsukiyomi was cast. And saved her for boruto . Naruto and Boruto wouldve been way better off
I'm glad I'm not a part of your chat cause it seems like common sense doesn't exist in it. Edit: also glad I don't go for feelings. I still say Griffith wasn't wrong. It's what he wished when he was a kid. That was Griffith's dream
I would argue that one of the best arcs of Yugioh is filler. I'm not going to spoil anything if you want to watch It later, but there are multiple memes that spawned from that arc. I also believe that filler is no excuse to write a shit story.
Reason why Naruto would have been goated if it ended once he saved the village after defeating pain. kishimoto put himself in a corner with the war arc, with the lack of character development and plot holes 🤦🏽♂️
"Reason why Naruto would have been goated if it ended once he saved the village after defeating pain." It wouldn't have been would you really have been ok with no conclusion of Sasuke's arc or of learning about "Madara" like there's too much left after the Pain arc for it too end satisfyingly.
@@SRVaris sasuke already fought itachi and beat him which was his goal the whole time. His story ✅ Naruto saves the village. Which would have made him hokage later down the line. His story ✅ other than Madara making an appearance only for him to get completely shafted by kaguya and zetsu is completely bad writing and could have gone without tbh
@@SRVaris the ending of the pain arc was as satisfying as it gets. Sure final valley was satisfying but having to endure the war arc just to get that conclusion idk about all that lmaoo
I don’t understand how you came to the conclusion in Shippuden Naruto doesn’t inspire you anymore. Is he only inspiring if ppl are rooting against him or don’t believe in him?
Its more of the fact that a good chunk of the villains are literally just the inverse of "Im you" in some way. We see them do all this destruction, they've gotten this message in their heads that despite what they're doing, its for a cause that they think is better. Seeing Naruto talk them out of maybe years of resentment in a single conversation is really odd to me, and it gives you the impression that he's *so* good at talking people down that it becomes unrealistic. He treats terrorists and mass murderers like bullied kids who talk to their friends about their dark thoughts, the levels are too different but its not treated that way. After Madara I think the only reason he stopped was because the villains after dont think like he does, and he makes no attempt to bring them to his level, they just have to die because he can't empathize anymore.
Luffy is not a prodigy. Other than the fruit nothing is prodigal about him and he wasn’t born with that. If you want the argument emperors haiki makes it so than you’d have to say zoro is as well. With his lineage you could make the argument but with shown backstory he was no prodigy. He was weak and lost all the time he was just hard headed refused to give up and worked his ass off.
The Fruit is the only reason he is accomplishing anything. He has the Nika Fruit, thus making him very privileged. Without that Fruit, his hard work wouldn't have mattered. Zoro doesn't have a Fruit. He relies on skills and his own strength.
One of the other things that made OG Naruto better than Shippuden to a lot of people was is the fact that while both had fillers (a lot of terrible ones), OG Naruto waited til Nauro and Sasuke had concluded their final battle for part one before vomiting the majority of the filler we hated and didn't care about on us. So we had a certain lever of closure. All we were really waiting for at that point was Naruto and Team 7 to go get Sasuke, hopefully not before he got his revenge and for Naruto to eventually become Hokage. But with Shippuden; with it being over twice as long as OG Naruto and eps catching up to the Manga; fillers were literally littered all over the beginning middle and end of the show. Making a lot of the show feel way too slow especially the war arc. Something like 40% of all of Shippuden was filler. That's like 200 episodes of filler. WTAF!! And it's such a waste that those weren't the episodes used to tell us about the massive cast of characters we'd been introduced, some background stories that even almost a decade later haven't been explained. With such a deep roster, you'd think that would be the time to tell their stories on some One Piece backstory telling type shiz. I can tell u now had they done that most of us wouldn't have gotten as fatigued as we did with Shippuden and it would've possibly been much more beloved than OG Naruto by most of the fandom.
@@Jobin... Too late for me I think. Manga always has better pacing because no filler exists and just deals with the meat of the story (this is why Boruto Manga is regarded as great whilst the anime sucks) But as cool as the manga is, I never get to hear them speak and have to experience the whole thing in stills. Sountracks that often make sense hella emotional, the beloved fight scenes of the show are just stills in the Mangaka etc just aren't there. So while the Manga is good because it's the original source Material, the best way for me to XP a show especially as good as Naruto is the Anime.
Part 1 is mostly solid early shippuden was a slog hebi Sasuke to pain arc was top tier then the war was a slog again until itachi reenter it was overall too long. The war arc itself was longer than the rest of shippuden put together
My problem with naruto and it has always been in Shippuden. Naruto goes against what he wants to become the Hokage. The Hokage of the leaf is meant to protect its people but he constantly and blindly goes against what it means to be "A" Hokage of the leaf meaning what or how Hashirama, Tobirama, and his own father. Now did he become "the" Hokage meaning the one he wants yes most definitely. So now for the take this mf Naruto literally constantly puts the village in danger, he chases after a fugitive (sasuke) who left the village and allied with Orochimaru who just killed the third hokage which should of made he and the whole damn team 7 criminals according the laws of the ninja world which was stated before shippuden, not to mention naruto got the leaf damn near...wait nah all the way obliterated by Nagato and his Chakra rod puppets. When they stated Naruto was a nuckle head that was an understatment mans was literally the nuke bomb of his own story almost. With that being said it was still a great story an anime. Does not change the fact in my opinion that the story would have been even better if two things happen Madara gets defeated and not replaced and here is the kicker...SASUKE DIES. It would have had a better effect going forward and a hard lesson learn for Naruto. Because the talk no jutsu shit got completely ridiculous towards the end.
Madara is fucking horrible I would rather take 5 more Kinkaku and Ginkaku's than Madara. The war arc turned so bad when we got all that Hashirama and Madara stuff honestly.
@@AL7249 Madara was too arrogant and petty. One of 2 words is that I am strong, you are too pathetic, Hashirama can whoops everyone's ass whatever, his whole dialogue in the 5 Kage War consist of combination of these statement. On the other hand, Kinkaku and Ginkaku was worst characters in the series. I don't know how to compare them.
Nah man Naruto(whole series) is great, every arc is relevant in the story, the growth os Naruto from silly baka to the one who can stop the cycle of hatred, everything was Great and Anime just makes it more great by OST, FIGHT.....
Bro sage Naruto was never ever an underdog he’s literally the reincarnation of shinobi Jesus just accept it fam. Outside lookin in I guess you can say that even tho that would be micky asf. But it was pure facts that he wasn’t a underdog and it was his destiny to be the strongest outsiders just were ignorant to it
Lmao listen you got your opinion n I respect it but this to this day, I consider Naruto and Naruto Shippuden to be the greatest manga/anime story to date.
His dad was the fourth hokage and you would have to be a idiot if you clearly didn't realise it straight away he never was a underdog he was just a fumbling fool.
That’s a lie so you telling me that when you were watching Naruto you knew from the jump minato was his dad?????? That is the biggest hindsight take I have ever heard
@@roronoaDzoro1111It was obvious Minato was his dad, same eye colour, same hair colour. Also, Minato happened to die the day Naruto was born? There has to be a writing reason for what. Also more importantly, the reveal happened in the first volume of the manga. I think in the first 5 chapters. It’s not like there was an attempt at hiding it to begin with.
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Naruto didn’t randomly spawn Kurama's chakra. Naruto trained with Jiraiya to figure out how to tap into Kurama's power prior to him fighting Neji.
Exactly
Ohh yeah. Wasn't that the training with summoning Gamabunta and using Kurama's chakra to not die from getting thrown off the mountain? I think I remember that. Naruto winning always just felt like a typical underdog victory but hard to be okay with since he had all of his chakra points severed.
Bro u just lied 😂. Yes the training was for him to tap into the power at will, but he was nowhere near able to do that at all. Hes never able to tap into kuruma's power at will until he befriends him.
All the way up to the pain arc Naruto still couldn't tap into kuruma's chakra at will.
@@eyequeue1297 Did you forgot Neji vs Naruto, Gaara vs naruto?
sucker, Kurama always gave him his chakra so that seal can be loose
@@eyequeue1297 No, you just don't know what you're talking about.
It still didn't come out of nowhere. The manga literally foreshadowed it.
And how tf is it a lie when that is literally what happened?
He did it against neji and was able to go it again against Gaara.
OG Naruto clears, but Shippuden still got some heat here and there
Other way around
@@anonymousshade4568 cap
@@anonymousshade4568No, OG Naruto is fundamentally more solid and more consistent.
Og Naruto >>
pain arc is peak naruto @@nivnavion
You know what we forget?
Naruto is the reincarnation of *another* underdog. Asura didn’t inherit any of the swagger Hagoromo had, that was Indra’s bag. He only inherited Ninshu because he cooperated with people and created harmony among their people despite his lack of talents. Didn’t matter if he acquired it himself, because that’s Indra’s story. He *earned* that power, and that title.
I feel like the Kazekage Rescue is an underwhelming arc to return to. Naruto feels like an afterthought especially in hindsight as we realize that Naruto marginally got stronger between the timeskip. Sakura finding out Naruto is the nine tails Jinchuriki is underwhelming, the next arc actually plays with the concept better. You can literally change the Jinchuriki from Gaara to any other one, take Naruto out of that arc, and let the akatsuki win in the end. You can still have Sakura find out about Naruto and have her be determined to not allow the same thing to happen to him.
I thought that arc was really good
I don't think madara is too strong but i do think that Madara was too smart for the powers he had. We look at Kaguya and compare her to madara in terms of intelligence it's like comparing a toddler with CTE to light fucking yagami It's just not the same, Madara was leagues and bounds more intelligent than Kaguya was. The way he used his abilities and how he was using the six paths power was also just absolutely insane, Naruto and Sasuke probably could have beaten Madara if Madara didn't completely outsmart the two of them.
cte is crazy
I myself actually thought Naruto and Sasuke were about to really go all out against Madara after the Infinite Tsukuyomi had been cast. He seemed tough, challenging, but not impossible to beat. A bit of strategy here and there should've done the trick...
@@danganmioda9713 the problem mainly was a matter of not if they could come up with a strategy but could they out stratigize Madara Uchiha. That's just something I don't see possible for naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi like how they did to kaguya. Kaguya was an easier opponent to beat because she was both insane and extremely stupid. She didn't know about Naruto's tricks or Sasukes ability to plan out attacks and she had extra factors like DMS Kakashi and Sakura basically sneaking her.
Madara has Naruto's unpredictable trickery and planning ability that puts Sasuke to shame. On top of that he was already stronger than the two of them and had their abilities with his own and limbo. Give that moveset to Kaguya and she would have gotten folded in .2 seconds but Madara is a different story because he knows how to deal with certain things.
He knows how to deal with shadow clones he knows how to completely counter the sealing technique Sasuke and Naruto were going to use on him, he basically knew their arsenal and just had to learn the newer sixpaths powers which he was doing in their fight. Kaguya was mentally handicapped, had no idea what anyone amongst the group of Shinobi were capable of, and the only thing she had going for her was that she was stronger than Madara. She doesn't even have taijutsu like that, she's a ninjutsu merchant.
@@indrainspace2601 I see your point (My bad if I made Madara seemed dumb/not tactical). Do wish that instead of Kaguya, like how Sage said it if I recall correctly, Naruto and Sasuke simply had been holding back a bit/needed time for learning their new powers as they went, much like how you mentioned Madara was essentially growing stronger as he figured things out.
When tf did Madara made a battle strategy that put Sasuke to shame? Like deidara vs Sasuke was like the best strategy in the entire series. How did you even get the idea that Madara was too smart for Sasuke. Madara got caught by five kage strategy that he had to use a perfect susanoo to breakout. All of the time Madara winning was just bcuz he was fcking op. Not fcking smart. Madara got got tricked by a simple wood substitution by hashimara and he had to use izanagi to revive. Also it is the complete opposite of what you said. It is not that Madara was countering naruto. Naruto was countering everything Madara has. His best hax limbo was getting countered by literal shadow colnes by naruto. And Naruto can make over a thousand of them. His best genjutsu was getting countered by Sasuke susanoo. And nothing else in Madara bag was doing anything to Naruto anymore. Susanoo clones? Naruto can do kurama clones that too. Probbaly better ones at that. Nature releases? Naruto has better nature releases from the nine beasts he got. Any other rinnegan abilities? Sasuke has them. On the other side Madara has no answer for boil release and ashura mode. Both of which should far outclass madara's power. Madara was about to get stomped by Naruto and Sasuke if kaguya didn't showed up.@@indrainspace2601
4:33 I don’t get the reincarnation take. Him being a reincarnation literally only means that he is destined to fight Sasuke. Nothing more. The power up they received in the war arc was from the Sage of six paths chakra, and last time I checked, Naruto wasn’t a reincarnation of the Sage of six paths.
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Not to mention the village wanting Naruto to die for reasons outside of his control
6:57 I didn’t grow up watching Naruto I watched it like a few years ago and I’m not kidding that fight nearly made me drop the show by how many times it cut away and cut back to it just for them to have a single thought and cut away again
Bro can't escape Luffy 💀
Homie can't escape him 💀
Luffy is his biggest opp 😭
Well Naruto really isn't that great tbh. And besides, this tuber started with NBA videos
@@Darkside-bv2zhPeople who are into basketball can also be into anime, what is this take?😂
Madara isn't the corrupt version of Naruto but he represents a past "Naruto" in Hashirama who failed in saving his best friend. It was basically showing why Naruto didn't kill sasuke at the end. That act of true love that Madara felt like he didn't get. That said, it's still the same problem of every villain after sage mode literally existing to show "what would happen if Naruto wasn't the perfect version of himself that he is right now"
Naruto was an under dog until after the exams … once he beat gara I expected him to win every fight
I consider Yusuke and Goku as underdogs tbh. Nothing about them screams prodigy. They always had to train to get stronger just to be on the level as the next villain whereas Naruto always had a complete asspull power up just because Kurama didn't want him losing fights
Edit: Naruto was never an underdog main character. His only loss is against Sasuke at Final Valley the first time they fought. Other than that Naruto has never lost a fight
I fell like you're one of the few that realized this. I believe this show is about bonds but that wasn't written well because bad character logic, all it matter was drama set ups for fights and the Uchiha obsessive favoritism.
I’m glad that everyone now is combining both Naruto and Shippuden
thank u, I found it weird that everyone would seperate the 2 like they're not the same story.
@@eyequeue1297I got a take that the Naruto/Shippuden split should’ve been after the Pain arc. Pain competed all of Naruto’s character arcs from the original series. The rest of Shippuden is the Uchiha/Biju/Space Alien show.
@@blank-vj1mc lol that's kinda what it feels like. People call it Sasuke Shippuden for a reason lol
@@blank-vj1mc From a character stand point that makes sense, but I guess they didn't want him to fight pain that early cos there would be no way kid naruto would be able to best him.
@@eyequeue1297 no as in the timeline stays the same, they just don’t call it shippuden until after the pain arc.
I think Naruto is an underdog, but not as much of an underdog as people say, he is
Yeah he was an underdog with the potential of possibly the greatest prodigy Konoha had ever seen.
In the first episode b4 he was even a Genin, he easily took out a Chunnin level ninja. He was very overpowered from the start when he stopped holding back.
Then having a Kage level battle during the Chunnin Exams, b4 the 3rd Hokage was even dead.
So yeah he wasn't as much of an underdog as the show tried to make us believe.
Jiraiya death & Lee’s ninja career being over had me in tears 😢
when i used to watched naruto i didnt skipp the filler beacuse i didnt know what filler even was
Filler wasn't to stretch it lmao it was to make sure the gap was enough so if the mangaka got sick or a sudden break the weekly anime wouldn't hace to suddenly super hard pivot like how fma did originally
I will always have the opinion that Kishimoto should have kept Itachi as a villain.
And Sakura should've gotten over her obsession with Sasuke, or Kishimoto should have given Sasuke a redeeming quality that constitutes Sasuke and Sakura becoming a couple.
Also the power creep is annoying.
There's a couple of other things, but generally, I love the series for what it is.
I honestly wished he was never in a relationship at all until he got himself together. Sakura definitely should have moved on from sasuke. I still feel like most of the female characters were poorly written, and im still mad at kishimoto for ruined Sakura character. If Sakura had truly wanted a relationship, I felt like Rock Lee would have been perfect for her since he liked her just like Naruto did. Sasuke being with Sakura felt like a punishment, then a reward. Because he got off way too easy.
@@Kyonvtuber Yep. She married and had a kid by a guy who never cared for her and tried to kill at least once (I think twice) with the entire basis of her feelings literally being a shallow schoolgirl crush on the school cool guy.
@@s3studios597yeah twice, first at orochimarus hideout at the start of shippuden and on the samurai bridge after he killed danzo
I’m sorry that guy really trying to tell me Naruto was an underdog but Luffy isn’t he’s mentally challenged
Luffy never had real adversity. Everything goes his way in One Piece. Even decisions that should have gotten him killed.
Protagonist armor.
ill argue most early one piece fillers are top tier. because they are partially cannon
Bro the earliest filler arc in one piece is the dragon island bs, and that shit is trash let's be honest here. The filler in loguetown for usopp was good, but the cooking contest shit was way too over the top with sanjis "rival" that bih is obnoxious.
I think the main issue when debating SSJ Rage is that by this point, only a niche group actually cares with the limited information that we have. With all luck, and I mean, ALL of it, maybe those what-if scenarios in Sparking ZERO could have something to say. Goku Black's arc had a story scene in the trailer. Considering how this has nothing to do with the video, I figured it should be separate from whatever I comment about Naruto.
I'm in love with his takes like we have bar for bar the same takes every time I see a vid
Thr people that complain about "talk no jutsu" missed the purpose of naruto. The fact that naruto was able to befriend an enemy like gaara, haku, and zabuza on his own was the point.
To an extent i just don’t think that he should be able to change some people’s mind (pain for example) it just makes some villains look stupid.
No, not really. It's not that people misunderstand, the argument is that it's stupid how some dumb kid who knows nothing about how the world works can radically change the world views of the hardened ninja who've been through everything they've been through and have held these stong beliefs for years just through some empty platitudes. Add in just how frequently it's used, and it just becomes a bad joke.
Nah the purpose of Naruto was watching those sick ASL fight scenes I'm ngl.
Talk no jutsu is fine in concept and lots of scenes in Naruto and other shows make it work because they are characters who aren't irredeemable. However, Naruto goes above and beyond and makes characters who should be irredeemable, somehow redeemable. Either by Naruto forgiving them, when he really shouldn't like Obito who literally is why both his parents died and his whole life was shit up until ninja academy. Or by adding some dues ex machina, like Naruto going ape shit on Pain, reasonably so. Being willing to give himself into the nine tails, only for daddy chakra to save him and change his mind and forgive Nagato. AND made him redeemable by adding a trade in your life for all the mfs you just murdered jutsu, except for Jiraiya who just stays hoed. That's what makes talk no jutsu a meme.
people are just dumb thats all, talk no jutsu is the best answer naruto has to villains, the whole theme of naruto is peace and hatred, whenever you kill or punish someone the cycle of hatred continues and someone else takes theor place. an example is itachi, itachi suffered the consequences of something he was forced to do and thus shin uchiha was born to take his place and act as itachis vengeance, the same goes for yahiko, yahiko was punished and thus pain was born, there are more examples but thats just a few.
Love the consistency Sage. Started watching you from Solz and Sage then came over to your channel from lkiab. I need to catch the streams more as well but man slowly becoming my favorite bucker.
What I find funny as hell regarding fillers. Naruto was my first ever anime apart from Dragon Ball Z which I grew up with because of my dad watching it too. I watched every episode of OG Naruto without knowing what fillers were, to the point were after I finished episode 131 which is the last canon episode, I watched like 50+ episodes after being like "well there is 200 episodes, they must find Sasuke before Shippuden starts". Me being dumb ig
The idea that Naruto was socially an underdog is true. But as far as talent and power fuck no. Even as a child the moment he beat Haku using his little “inner demon” then did it to Neji and Garra. I as a child was like “he’s not an underdog he has a fucking get out of jail free card and that’s boring”
Kabuto was right about this story of Naruto - ppl wit no talent are nothing & implies ppl steal other ppl powers to matter (ppl are stealing eyes & more) & if you’re not Naruto or an Uchiha then you don’t matter 😂😂😂😂
Kishimoto not knowing how to kill Madara, was not a cop out. I believe he said this while Madara was still alive in the anime. As for Kaguya, yes she was stronger with raw power, but she was not experienced in fighting ninja like Madara was. Therefore she wasn't able to properly strategize and use her powers to defeat Team 7. In fact she didn't know what she was doing, so much to the point that Naruto and Sasuke still had enough energy to have their final fight. Madara as he was, was entirely too strong and too experienced to outright lose to both Naruto and Sasuke, he would have either won or at the very least killed or crippled one of them to where the final battle couldn't happen. Kishimoto genuinely didn't know how to kill Madara without a deus ex machina. Hence, Kaguya and the Otsoostski
"Kishimoto not knowing how to kill Madara, was not a cop out. I believe he said this while Madara was still alive in the anime."
Kishimoto never said this btw also it makes like zero sense as Naruto & Sasuke were kind of beating Madara up before that point.
God I hate it when writers create these ultra powerful beings just to go "I think I did too much" yeah, you're letting one of the already strongest ninjas in the series get almost every single amp possible, you KNEW this was a possibility, but you somehow don't know how to get rid of them? You wanted this
If Kishi want Naruto&Sasuke to beat Madara, they will beat it. Jubito was beaten by 9 tail+Perfect Susanoo combo which was defeated by Hashirama (way weaker than Jubito) easily in Madara fight. Kishi gave 6 Paths power to Naruto&Sasuke from nowhere and we don't know how strong 6 Paths. after Madara's resurrection by Obito, Kishimoto threw power scale to trash bin. Blind Madara beat every character in 2 minutes, after he come Jinjuriki, somehow He lost his OPness instantly.
Yeah I agree on the filler take. A lot of people have stated that the dropped bleach during the bount arc and I can't blame them. Studio periot is awful when it comes to fillers
Bro my problem with Naruto is seeing that swing set 1000 times during the series and Naruto’s talk no justu plot armor
The one-piece fans slander company seemed to have finally proven victorious it seems
I still think people that say Naruto wasn't a prodigy or didn't know are in denial or are somehow crazy stupid. My mom just trying to chat about my interest, first thing she saw was the opening and saw the Minato head and asked is that his dad?
When it comes to Naruto vs Neji, yea, Neji realistically wins that fight. However, that actually ADDS to the point of Naruto being an underdog, if you really think on it. It's been stated throughout this time that the Nine Tails was evil, or against him, and that did in fact portray him as an underdog. I think this is what causes the error in peoples' interpretations: Naruto WAS an under dog. Being a reincarnate of Ashura MEANS you are the underdog, that was the entire point. If you want to say Naruto isn't the same because he's the reincarnation of someone who had to fight his way from the bottom, then you might just be insane. In terms of the life he lives, that's exactly what goes down. Him eventually becoming the strong guy is just finishing the underdog story.
It's not only a hindsight take to say Naruto isn't an underdog, but incorrect.. Flat out wrong. And for that, I agree with you Sage. I don't think to any capacity that Naruto wasn't, and people just need to have better understanding of the source material rather than a better understanding of how to activate a Rasengan.
Funny how people say Naruto is so fucking stupid on the battlefield or he would get his own team killed if he was promoted, and now these guys wanna say Naruto is a prodigy all of a sudden. How ironic is that.
Definitely a underdog the 9 tails was sealed to the point it couldn't get out until he was in his teans
0:09 Singing Sage is peak Sage.
One thing that used to piss me off as a kid is repeat episodes after fillers episodes 😒
All villains was opposite to naruto. But itachi and madara was if Sasuke loved the village and if Sasuke continued to lose his way
Way too much Filler and the slow pacing of the first arc are what killed Shipuuden...and Kaguya. She could've been such a scary character but didn't live up to the very abrupt hype especially after showing when we were already seeing the most foreshadowed character in Shonen live beyond the hype.
Outside of that Naruto was extremely amazing. So much so I generally don't find new Anime's compelling
I hated how you’d see someone level up while fighting someone strong. Then STRUGGLE when they came across some random filler villain 👎
The disconnect is it doesn't matter if he's shown as an underdog because based off what we see at the end an even towards the end of naruto before shippuden he isn't actually it's the same disconnect as the last of us 2's message
Does a character need to be an underdog for 100% of the runtime for it to be valid??? Like what are we even talking about here bro
@@2changJRPGmusicno but he has to be an actual underdog before he’s good. Naruto from the first episode was already very good just needed some honing of his skills
He IS an underdog bro he can't even control his chakra at the start and only survives because he has the nine tails rage boost. Bro would've died in land of waves without it, bro would've lost against kiba if it wasn't for the gag ending and kibas super sense of smell, bro would've lost against neji without his nine tail rage boost. He is set up to lose in almost every encounter in early Naruto and gets by on luck. He only really starts to really catch up in skill around the Tsunade arc. He isn't even that great at taijutsu at first and that shit doesn't even require much chakra like what are we talking about here???
@@2changJRPGmusic a nine tails rage boost is luck when it happens once. That shit was happening so often it made him much better than more than half his class. And it was happening so often he could damn near count on it to happen if he needed it.
@@2changJRPGmusic to me sakura was more of an underdog in her encounters then naruto because she was so bad no one expected her to win almost any. Naruto is the jinchiriki of the strongest tailed beast and that was overpowered from the start, literally ep 1
Can you imagine be a Bleach fan watching live and have to wait A HOLE YEAR of filler to see the Gotei 13 vs Arrancar???
Damn 60 episodes of fillers is CRAAAAAZY.
Don't remind me that 😂
The second 4:28 I found out Kurama had niggas like the Kages shook he stopped being an underdog up until I saw Hidan and Kakzu off screen the two tails but even that didn’t last
People forget CONSTANTLY that until Naruto could intentionally tap into and control the nine tails chakra that KURAMA WAS NERFING HIM. Naruto’s chakra control when he was learning to walk on water was made harder by the fact that Orochimaru loosened the seal. Naruto’s chakra pool was a fraction of what it should’ve been because so much was being passively used to keep Kurama sealed inside him and in check. Not to mention the fact that if he lost control he would put all of his loved ones and friends in danger like when he went fourth tail on jiraiya. Can we stop fucking acting like Kurama didn’t have massive drawbacks to p1 and early shippuden Naruto and wasn’t just some “bs plot powerup” to help him win fights? The dude was an underdog plain and simple, let’s stop pushing that bullshit idea that he wasn’t
I guess I just did a good understanding that fillers weren't a part of the story and why it was not a problem to me.😂😂 I'm sorry yall find them a problem
What would you rather have. Sage mode or the rinnegan?
Where could i get access to the discord ?
I can say that I’ve seen some good filler episodes of Naruto and some of the best filler arcs I seen was my hero academia I actually enjoyed them and made me like the characters more
Kishimoto literally had to write obitos sharingan out of him because the fight between him and naruto wouldn't have been possible otherwise
How do one join Sage's discord? He mentions it but I don't know where to join tho
Naruto being a reincarnation contradicts of the plot of the story of hard work beats talent plus the “hard workers” in the series doesn’t even win or was forgotten Lee lost to gaara was an L.gai had 1 w.Naruto clan being op wasn’t mentioned until later shippuden then Naruto has 8 different clones of himself that had the same goal like konahamaru tsunade brother & her husband & they all never achieved the hard work beats talented goal.
Naruto is a finished story that’s unfinished there’s so many sub plots that was dropped.
Naruto was never about hard work. Literally Talk No Jutsu contradicts that very concept. No person Naruto used Talk No Jutsu on was ever persuaded by his hard work. They were persuaded by his understanding of them. The true theme of Naruto is can two people understand each other despite not being the same person or going through the same things in life.
@@Menoman235 Naruto & Lee was build up to be the loser & surpass sasuke was talented gaara & neji & more but Naruto being an elite clan (uzamaki) contradicts the plot of Naruto character cuz his clan being op wasn’t mentioned until later shippuden then Naruto has 8 different clones of himself that had the same goal like konahamaru tsunade brother & husband & they all never achieved the hard work beats talented
@@Kmarks_Naruto has both hard work and talent bro learned a good amount if not most of his move set by his innate talent and his tenacity
@@Menoman235that’s cap it was his hard work going against them with his resolve and he wouldn’t have that if he didn’t train hard I’d be lying if i said there wasn’t any plot convenience at all but saying Naruto only used talk no jutstu and nothing else is a complete lie and is disingenuous to the world of Naruto and the nuance of the villains in the manga
See naruto was never about hardwork
I got a theory for all these canon gatekeeping nerds i know they have no answer for this. Garlic Jr. and the Makyo Star is the reason why the main timeline changes. Nobody can debate me on it
For me Shippuden>OG>boruto, only reason I don't have the 1st two tied is because part 1 over explains so much, as most anime does, and compared to shippudden which significantly does less of that imo, yeah, it's easy.
wait whats the beef with luffy
I'm so glad I slept on Naruto until way after it was out lol. I didn't start watching Naruto until late 2012 with Shippuden. I saw 50% of Naruto part I just in flashback and filler... I think Shippuden is fantastic but you can't deny that it does fall off after Pain. I will say the Kage Summit and Sasuke vs. Danzo is the very end and then it realllllly falls off. From great pacing to HORRIBLE
Bro mans who you reacted to said boruto isnt naruto. Like no shiz bro boruto is boruto 😂😂😂
Mfers saying madara too strong but they could beat kaguya is wild 😂
madara is way stronger and way more intelligent than kaguya... kaguya didn't have anything special exept her like "bones" that killed obito... madara had 2 rinnegans, crazy regeneration and crazy chakra... we didn't even see the true power of rinnesharingan, i mean yes the inf tsukuyomi is super strong but i think it has more abilityes... also shhonen jump forsed kishimoto to intruduse kaguya to continue the story and make more money
@@nebojsakostadinov8486 I mean she had Madaras chakra and all his abilities inevitably, being the mother of chakra, Intellect definitely goes to Madara. The only reason they didn't give her the same hax is because she needed to be beat. Same reason Madara got got 😂. I appreciate the thought out response tho
@@yamother5913 i mean yeah but still... Madara should have been the final boss, i mean he was a perfect boss for the ending of the series
@@nebojsakostadinov8486 you spitting bro 😂 the way they did him was Mickey ASF
It always felt like they should've waited to do Kaguya and the alien chakra monsters for Boruto. Not even just on the basis of how Madara went out, it felt WAY too sudden and all that info. Goddamn. Not even counting the filler of her they had. Could've just been Madara needing to be stopped cause of the corrupting power of the fruit and how it's grown. Could've sealed him after getting the amp.
Probably doesn't read comments but:
Madara WAS too powerful for them to actually beat, the only reason they sealed Kaguya. Was because she's downright stupid, Madara on the other hand was a genius. A prodigy, they attempted to seal him and he substituted with a clone in that instant, Right after getting his second Rinnegan they couldn't touch him
Like imagine trying to beat someone, that has your level of skill, if not better. Same with your arsenal, but doubled. And invincible clones that can not die
And in the storm games, THEY can use the susano'o
I say it to this day. All Naruto eeded was to Madara shkuld have been the final villain. Left the foreshadow pf Kaguya when the infinite tsukiyomi was cast. And saved her for boruto . Naruto and Boruto wouldve been way better off
I'm glad I'm not a part of your chat cause it seems like common sense doesn't exist in it.
Edit: also glad I don't go for feelings. I still say Griffith wasn't wrong. It's what he wished when he was a kid. That was Griffith's dream
Whats the discord?
Naruto gets beat by every villain after pain
I would argue that one of the best arcs of Yugioh is filler. I'm not going to spoil anything if you want to watch It later, but there are multiple memes that spawned from that arc.
I also believe that filler is no excuse to write a shit story.
It’s interesting that Sasuke had the best fights in Naruto S.
Reason why Naruto would have been goated if it ended once he saved the village after defeating pain. kishimoto put himself in a corner with the war arc, with the lack of character development and plot holes 🤦🏽♂️
"Reason why Naruto would have been goated if it ended once he saved the village after defeating pain."
It wouldn't have been
would you really have been ok with no conclusion of Sasuke's arc or of learning about "Madara" like there's too much left after the Pain arc for it too end satisfyingly.
@@SRVaris sasuke already fought itachi and beat him which was his goal the whole time. His story ✅ Naruto saves the village. Which would have made him hokage later down the line. His story ✅ other than Madara making an appearance only for him to get completely shafted by kaguya and zetsu is completely bad writing and could have gone without tbh
@@SRVaris the ending of the pain arc was as satisfying as it gets. Sure final valley was satisfying but having to endure the war arc just to get that conclusion idk about all that lmaoo
I don’t understand how you came to the conclusion in Shippuden Naruto doesn’t inspire you anymore. Is he only inspiring if ppl are rooting against him or don’t believe in him?
Its more of the fact that a good chunk of the villains are literally just the inverse of "Im you" in some way. We see them do all this destruction, they've gotten this message in their heads that despite what they're doing, its for a cause that they think is better. Seeing Naruto talk them out of maybe years of resentment in a single conversation is really odd to me, and it gives you the impression that he's *so* good at talking people down that it becomes unrealistic. He treats terrorists and mass murderers like bullied kids who talk to their friends about their dark thoughts, the levels are too different but its not treated that way.
After Madara I think the only reason he stopped was because the villains after dont think like he does, and he makes no attempt to bring them to his level, they just have to die because he can't empathize anymore.
I'm dying on the hiruzen wasnt as bad as people make him seem to be and if anything prob the beter half of the hokages too
Luffy is not a prodigy. Other than the fruit nothing is prodigal about him and he wasn’t born with that. If you want the argument emperors haiki makes it so than you’d have to say zoro is as well. With his lineage you could make the argument but with shown backstory he was no prodigy. He was weak and lost all the time he was just hard headed refused to give up and worked his ass off.
The Fruit is the only reason he is accomplishing anything.
He has the Nika Fruit, thus making him very privileged. Without that Fruit, his hard work wouldn't have mattered.
Zoro doesn't have a Fruit. He relies on skills and his own strength.
This Clyde video and Clyde is always asf
One of the other things that made OG Naruto better than Shippuden to a lot of people was is the fact that while both had fillers (a lot of terrible ones), OG Naruto waited til Nauro and Sasuke had concluded their final battle for part one before vomiting the majority of the filler we hated and didn't care about on us. So we had a certain lever of closure. All we were really waiting for at that point was Naruto and Team 7 to go get Sasuke, hopefully not before he got his revenge and for Naruto to eventually become Hokage.
But with Shippuden; with it being over twice as long as OG Naruto and eps catching up to the Manga; fillers were literally littered all over the beginning middle and end of the show. Making a lot of the show feel way too slow especially the war arc. Something like 40% of all of Shippuden was filler. That's like 200 episodes of filler. WTAF!!
And it's such a waste that those weren't the episodes used to tell us about the massive cast of characters we'd been introduced, some background stories that even almost a decade later haven't been explained. With such a deep roster, you'd think that would be the time to tell their stories on some One Piece backstory telling type shiz. I can tell u now had they done that most of us wouldn't have gotten as fatigued as we did with Shippuden and it would've possibly been much more beloved than OG Naruto by most of the fandom.
Read the manga...
Is fast and much better
@@Jobin... Too late for me I think. Manga always has better pacing because no filler exists and just deals with the meat of the story (this is why Boruto Manga is regarded as great whilst the anime sucks)
But as cool as the manga is, I never get to hear them speak and have to experience the whole thing in stills. Sountracks that often make sense hella emotional, the beloved fight scenes of the show are just stills in the Mangaka etc just aren't there.
So while the Manga is good because it's the original source Material, the best way for me to XP a show especially as good as Naruto is the Anime.
i disagree with the kaguya being a bad vilian cause its random
Part 1 is mostly solid early shippuden was a slog hebi Sasuke to pain arc was top tier then the war was a slog again until itachi reenter it was overall too long. The war arc itself was longer than the rest of shippuden put together
Are you watching Neji??
Lol Little bro would have been fried if he fought Lee there.
Blech did filler episodes right, i feel.
Not bount arc though.
I disagree I still think shippuden Naruto is inspiring
My problem with naruto and it has always been in Shippuden. Naruto goes against what he wants to become the Hokage. The Hokage of the leaf is meant to protect its people but he constantly and blindly goes against what it means to be "A" Hokage of the leaf meaning what or how Hashirama, Tobirama, and his own father. Now did he become "the" Hokage meaning the one he wants yes most definitely. So now for the take this mf Naruto literally constantly puts the village in danger, he chases after a fugitive (sasuke) who left the village and allied with Orochimaru who just killed the third hokage which should of made he and the whole damn team 7 criminals according the laws of the ninja world which was stated before shippuden, not to mention naruto got the leaf damn near...wait nah all the way obliterated by Nagato and his Chakra rod puppets. When they stated Naruto was a nuckle head that was an understatment mans was literally the nuke bomb of his own story almost. With that being said it was still a great story an anime. Does not change the fact in my opinion that the story would have been even better if two things happen Madara gets defeated and not replaced and here is the kicker...SASUKE DIES. It would have had a better effect going forward and a hard lesson learn for Naruto. Because the talk no jutsu shit got completely ridiculous towards the end.
Bet leave the discord link imma join
you should also watch his other video which is in favour of naruto
Bro just hates on anime’s any chance he gets idek how he calls himself an anime fan
Y’all really need to go read the manga
12:04 no fucking lie detected
I- but- 😤 okay😂
Bro please react to more videos from six
Sage, you don't like one piece?
is jjk really a copy of other anime ?
Boruto as a series is better than OG naurto
Madara is fucking horrible I would rather take 5 more Kinkaku and Ginkaku's than Madara. The war arc turned so bad when we got all that Hashirama and Madara stuff honestly.
He's horrible? Honestly I'm kinda curious why you think that? Is it the stuff explaining his backstory?
@@AL7249 Madara was too arrogant and petty. One of 2 words is that I am strong, you are too pathetic, Hashirama can whoops everyone's ass whatever, his whole dialogue in the 5 Kage War consist of combination of these statement. On the other hand, Kinkaku and Ginkaku was worst characters in the series. I don't know how to compare them.
Bro how you gone skip a sponsor plug on a vid you reacting to lol
Nah man Naruto(whole series) is great, every arc is relevant in the story, the growth os Naruto from silly baka to the one who can stop the cycle of hatred, everything was Great and Anime just makes it more great by OST, FIGHT.....
Bro sage Naruto was never ever an underdog he’s literally the reincarnation of shinobi Jesus just accept it fam. Outside lookin in I guess you can say that even tho that would be micky asf. But it was pure facts that he wasn’t a underdog and it was his destiny to be the strongest outsiders just were ignorant to it
Just hating
Naruto > One Piece
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Lmao listen you got your opinion n I respect it but this to this day, I consider Naruto and Naruto Shippuden to be the greatest manga/anime story to date.
His dad was the fourth hokage and you would have to be a idiot if you clearly didn't realise it straight away he never was a underdog he was just a fumbling fool.
That’s a lie so you telling me that when you were watching Naruto you knew from the jump minato was his dad?????? That is the biggest hindsight take I have ever heard
@@roronoaDzoro1111It was obvious Minato was his dad, same eye colour, same hair colour. Also, Minato happened to die the day Naruto was born? There has to be a writing reason for what. Also more importantly, the reveal happened in the first volume of the manga. I think in the first 5 chapters. It’s not like there was an attempt at hiding it to begin with.
Being related to a Hokage doesn't suddenly make you a prodigy. See Konohamaru.
Bruh naruto been fighting evil versions of himself since gaara