The Left Armpit of Indiana: Terre Haute
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Is it fair to call Terre Haute the Left armpit of Indiana? Or should a different city be given this title instead? The criteria behind the crazy idea of calling a city the armpit of a state or a region can be quite subjective. Some people would associate the “armpit” of a state as being it’s the worst city in the state. In my opinion, an armpit of a state isn’t necessarily the WORST city in the state… but it’s a city that is run down, boring, kind of trashy, kind of ugly, kind of isolated, sluggish to declining economy, maybe the town smells because of a towering factory. An armpit city of a state to me is a pretty sizable place, yet a place that is somewhat forgotten about as a place of importance. Some states have multiple armpits and Indiana is definitely a state that has quite a few. Anyway throughout this video, I’ll discuss why I gave this Western Indiana city the title of being the Left Armpit of Indiana, as the video goes along.
0:00 - 1:35 Intro
1:35 - 5:56 It's Terre Haute, Indiana!
5:56 - 19:14 Worst part of town?
19:14 - 30:35 Downtown Terre Haute/Sin City History
30:35 - 41:15 East side of town/More Sin City History
41:15 - 45:52 Indiana State University
45:52 - 51:01 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
51:01 - 52:26 Terre Haute North & South Vigo High Schools
52:26 - 58:19 Chris Livability Score and Final Thoughts
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A friend of mine who is also a native Hautian recommended this video to me he said it was " funny " and after watching it ; his comment kinda leaves me scratching my head. First for context ,both he and I grew up in Vigo county him on the south side me one the north end . Both of us graduated high school there and both got our bachelor degrees from ISU in the 80's . Overall I would give this video a B grade for accuracy. I feel from a historical perspective it was pretty solid but some important details were either minimized or glossed over. The importance of the Hulman family in Terre Haute history cant be underestimated, besides renaming of Rose Poly to its current name their imprints are all over the early part of Terre Haute, especially in terms of how the city developed , at one time I believe they owned almost 1/3 of eastern Vigo county and were the richest family in Indiana for decades before the Simon brothers. I also believe they migrated from Cincinnati in the early 1800's to set up their business and who can forget Clabber girl baking powder. I am not sure how you can do a video on Terre haute and forget Eugene V Debbs one of the most important figures in US labor history, you drove about 8 blocks away from his house which is a museum and gives a great glimpse into Terre Haute's rich labor past . Memorial Stadium used to be a horse racing track with the farm and stables on the south side of Wabash ave.
Now on to the more modern era , sadly the areas that you drove through look 10x better than they did 20 or 30 yrs ago. Terre Haute has done a good job trying to demolish and renovate but with dwindling tax base from the loss of the factories and tax revenues there is only so much they can do. For context when I went to high school you could not fit all 4 grades in the high schools and 9th graders were in the Jr highs , with separate sports teams. Prostitution got clamped down on in the 1960's by mayor Tucker ( near the end of his long tenure ) but was still going as my great Uncle worked for one of the madams and had my dad drove the girls between Terre Haute and Joliet, Ill. If you would have driven a a mile or 2 north you would have seen many of the abandoned factories that stated getting down sized or completely shut down in the 90's, like JI Case or Columbia House/ Sony the later employing , I believe , at its peak over 2,000 people. At one time Terre Haute had 420 or so functioning bars/taverns , which was great for shift workers who had a place to drink after work. Strip joints in town have always been few and crap . The horrible smell from the Weston paper factory is gone ( Smelly Haute ) but the tons of railroad tracks remain, though not as busy. Its said Dillinger never robbed a bank in town because he was afraid of getting railroaded on his getaway attempt.
Sadly , I disagree with you on the ability on my hometown being able to fully recover. Its just to easy for large corporations to set up shop in the Indianapolis metro given the interstate system, great airport and miles of farmland that can easily be converted to factories and warehouses. Yes, you are correct, ISU is underrated and many of the guys and gals I graduated with went on to become lawyers, engineers , business men and women .
I learned more from you than from the entire video.
Very well rounded account. I appreciate that, thanks.
Terry hot...terry hut...terre haute has a large population of gypsys but we are not to talk about them...they are the drug mafia of the midwest..lost of drugs. Sex trafficing..high crime rate.dirty water and air.its still sin city.
I mean, the "bad" parts of this town looked not so bad. It appeared that the old, abandoned homes were removed in those neighborhoods. This town looked like a new community vs. East Cleveland, Detroit, Gary Indiana, and other rust belt cities with the gazzilions of abandoned, run downed homes, and commercial buildings.
Yup. Just looked empty and run down in a lot of areas.
Give the city credit for knocking down the abandoned homes and empty commercial buildings. As your other videos show so nicely; Most cities who've lost a large portion of thier population and tax base don't have the funds to do the clean up on isle 9. I saw someone else's video on a part of Cleveland. Just wow! I felt sorry for the folks who are too poor to leave.@@ChrisHarden
@@warbirdwf even much of Detroit is actually the same now just mostly empty looking but fairly well kept up. The neighborhoods full of abandoned buildings are there too but are now a minority. Terre Haute is just the exception in having now cleaned up most of the ruins nearly throughout the city but many others have made substantial progress. Smaller size is an advantage in that regard.
You obviously haven’t been too many parts of Detroit now, they don’t look anything like this whatsoever, you might want to educate yourself
Back in the 80's, we would travel to Terre Haute to see rock bands play at the Hulman Center in downtown. Van Halen, Foreigner, Journey, Boston, etc. Good times.
wow those bands actually played there. crazy.
I remember receiving a lot of packages from Terre Haute when I was young. They had a Columbia House record distribution place. Ten records or tapes for a penny. Then they'd mail you the record of the month for 14.99 unless you sent the card back. I'm sure it's gone now, but I wonder if the building still stands.
Columbia House shut down its Terre Haute facility in 2009 - the year the parent company shut down music mail-order operations. The building stands vacant today.
Though this town has seen better days, one thing that stands out as you are traveling through the town. PEOPLE SHOW RESPECT BY PICKING UP TRASH❤️. It’s wonderful to see most areas were TRASH FREE. Compared to Atlanta, Georgia where people stop at a drive thru for lunch. 10 minutes later while at a stop light they roll their windows down and throw out all their trash with no regard to who is going to pick up the trash they were too lazy to dispose of properly themselves.
As a local now in the county to its north - trash is a big issue all over this region. I literally gather trash everywhere I go.
Too many people are lazy and inconsiderate. They take NO pride in their surroundings. If they do, it's for the interior of their vehicle and not wanting their trash to mess it up.
Without a doubt, routes heavily used to get to school are the WORSE in rural areas! That is, when school is in session.
It's an uphill battle. Not even getting into dumped tvs mattresses furniture paint and general trash on every mile of any county road with woods alongside it.
I really enjoyed this video. I've heard of Terre Haute, but knew nothing about it. I'm looking forward to part 2.😊❤
The World's largest chemical company desired to construct a large OEM automotive coating facility in Terra Haute in 1987 - 1989. Local wealthy residents and union activists fought to keep them out - the chemical company was not unionized in the US and the high proposed wages for employees would have upset the lower prevailing wage in Terra Haute/Vigo County. That chemical company gave up and moved to the cornfields of Ohio and built the plant, hired and trained locals there, and pay them to this day more than double that local prevailing wage. An golden opportunity missed by Terra Haute some 35+ years ago.
A guy carried his portable meth lab into a White Castle hamburger joint located in Hobart Indiana. The NW corner of the state. Seemed he just wanted to use the restroom and forgot it in there. He came back looking for it and it went from there. Police, newspaper so forth.
Nice work! I grew up in West Lafayette--a little island of prosperity and excellence in a sea of drab despair. Hey, Vincennes has a really interesting history and would make a nice video.
One day I'll make a video on Vincennes
Only thing to see in Vincennes is crackheads.
That place looks so well manicured without trees.
The mall is almost non-existent
Mega bravo Chris!!! Outstanding filming puts one there and your thorough detailed narration explains why the there looks as it does.
Mom & Dad met at & graduated from ISU. Mom's relatives lived & some succeeding gens still live there, so when I was younger we visited fairly often. Dad hated the town... the headache-inducing odors and the RR tracks everywhere that would delay you any time & direction you were going. 5:56 - I remember being stopped at this RR crossing on 41 on our way home, in a time before this overpass was put in.
I think you drastically understated the stench that permeated the *entire town* on hot summer evenings.
The paper mill on the west side must have been where they buried all the leftovers from the red-light district.
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There used to be a creosote plant there also, producing treated railroad ties. This was a VERY smelly operation too.
Very enjoyable, one correction, we did have a Grand Theater but it was downtown, Harmony Hall in Twelve Points used to be the Village (Theater or Cinema, or just The Village)
Hmm. What I see when double checking is that Harmony Hall used to be called Garfield Theater. Not sure if I mentioned Grand Theater in the video. Thanks and glad you enjoyed
The Grand is the Scottish Rite, I believe (I could be wrong, it's been a bit since I've been there).
Great drone shots! I think one of the best things about the city is the colleges. The city should figure out a way to keep those engineers once they graduate. On the postive tip, Terre Haute does have potential and can only go up.
I agree, both of the main colleges in Terre Haute are doing really well despite the cities struggles
The reson for the city's downfall rests squarely on the fact that they werent told that the letter "H" is silent in French.
"Nothing but the dead and dying back in my little town..."
Great job buddy 👍
As a frequent driver of I-70 - from Ohio to Missouri, I have probably gone through Terre Haute over a hundred times in my life and have stopped there a few dozen times. Any time that I have stopped in the town for more than a few minutes - usually for Popeyes and gas, some kinda BS always goes down:
1. My grandpa’s car was totaled as it was set on fire
2. My dad thought that he lost his wallet, so we had to search across downtown until, after 30 minutes, we found it in some weird compartment of our rental car
3. Upon getting kicked out of a bar advertised as a restaurant - I was a kid and was not allowed inside, Siri navigated me and my family to a corn field and told us to “leave the vehicle” while navigating to a different restaurant
4. I nearly became involved in a three way collision car crash at an intersection
5. Generally, THIS TOWN IS BAD LUCK!!!
Wow... yeah that's some bad luck
The Oklahoma City bomber (Timothy McVeigh) was executed at USP Terre Haute.
Im currently a terre haute resident 😅and i can tell you the 6th ave dancers bar is dead as in its closed down the terre haute police took over it for training
Another nice one Chris. As a transplanted Hoosier I'm not gonna lie, I paused the video a 1:04 to see if any of the armpits were too close to where I am!
Where is it that you are?
Bloomington. Fortunately a safe distance from most armpits (but of course we do have our issues).
We called it the armpit back in the '70s when it was bustling. At least they haven't permitted burned out homes to accumulate since then, like in Detroit or Gary. It would help if people in Terre Haute would vote for candidates that promote policies of job growth.
There's always a smelly factory... 😒
From what I was told, Terre Haute is the "crossroad" capital in regard to the railways.
The city of West Allis,Wisconsin a suburb of Milwaukee was the original home of the company Allis Chambers.
Today the original complex has been converted to stores and renovated apartments. Google map it on S 70th and W Greedield av.
Wow. Looking at google satellite it's clear the majority of Terre Haute neighborhoods are in large part composed of vacant lots. The city may have lost less then 20% from it's peak but most of it' clearly lost far more, which means the city also anexed and/or sprawled out massively yet still lost residents...
While I will agree that a lot of this city is old, and could use a facelift, I will also say that you didn't even come close to showing a lot of the newer, cleaner parts of the area. You can go to just about any city and point out all of the negative issues, or lower income areas.
Chris really enjoyed your commentary on the left and right armpit of Terre Haute you’re the only channel I’ve seen that does a deep dive on historical events which I enjoy just as much more than the scenery Terre Haute didn’t seem too bad to me being retired I wouldn’t give a crap about the workforce looks like quite easy living place and get some Bang for your buck seems like most small American towns are on the shit list these days
The bad North end neighborhood you show at the beginning , was my old mail route. I carried from 2000 to 2010 and yes it is almost non existing now. Most houses tore down and bought up by Union Hospital or ISU . More decay than growth . Sad for the upcoming generations. I hope the casino and the new mayor can help this place out a little.
What is the right arm pit Gary?
The one of few strip clubs, 6th Ave just sold out to Union Hospital. Shut the doors for good last year.
I just have to say, your "poorest" zip code area, looked as nice as, what I would consider, our upper middle class area here in S. Alabama. Poverty here is generational and runs deep and wide. Great video content. Thank you.
More info to add about Terre Haute and having to do with the klan- railroad st from N 13th to 8th Ave was ku klux klan ave before being renamed. I believe the road went from 13th to Ash st at one time which ran along the tracks and at Ash st would be at 15th st and makes sense being at around that time the head quarters for the klan was at 1501 n 15th st
Meth is an upper, like cocane. Opioids are downers, like heroin or fentanyl. Both are big problems in Indiana and many people even use both... Very interesting tour!
In the early 2000s, Terre Haute was the meth capital in the U.S. Thats what a few local police officers that I worked with told me.
As a hotel front desk clerk at the time, we were trained on how to recognize signs of meth users and makers (ie. shake and bakers/ cooks).
*We were also trained on how to watch for bombs and suspicious mail when the McVeigh execution was taking place.
All the jobs left and the rest is history.
Very interesting!
Many of the small cities in Central Indiana look alot like Terre Haute - Anderson Muncie, New Castle, Richmond, Marion, and Kokomo. They've all took a hard hit when so many of the factories closed and no jobs to replace them. They made a good enough living in the factories, there was no need to go to college. I think Terre Haute and Muncie are a little nicer than the others mainly because of Indiana State and Ball State, which went from small teacher's colleges to mid-major universitys.
This is sad. It looks like it was once a nice place. 💔
I never had any bad experiences in terre haute. There is a racetrack south of town.
Thanks for visiting Terre Haute!
The decline began when I-70 was built.
The "armpit of America" belongs to places like Camden NJ, Jackson MS, or Newark NJ.
If you think terre haute is bad now you should have seen it 20 or 30 years ago. It is so much better now and the attitude of the residents has changed towards it. Now there is pride in the city and hope for more prosperity in the future.
its kinda weird watching a video of the same roads i drive daily
They have Boot City.
I grew up in the area! A lot of locals and other people who live nearby call it “Turd Haute!”
Terre Haute: The city with a thousand nicknames.
Did you really label Evansville as an armpit on the map in the beginning? It’s far from an armpit.
Bicknell, Indiana should be considered.
Looked it up. Seems like a good place to do a video on honestly.
We call it terrible haute.but the king is still Gary.
I was born there and lived and worked at union hospital nice vibes
i really wish you gave west terre haute a visit, its just as important to the economy and even managed by terre haute. besdies, it makes the 807 look comfy
Terre Haute: The Flint of Indiana. It's just not run down enough to be an equal yet. I went to Kettering University and the part about Rose Hulman sounded similar.
Guess you should do more research before you put erroneous information on RUclips, dude... We had ONE strip club in the city, that is now closed. I didn't even bother watching the rest, because if you can't get that correct, then the rest of your retoric is questionable at best. The people who live here may or may not be proud of this city, but you are really pushing it by calling cities you DON'T live in the armpit of the state.
Sammy-Terry was made in Terre Haute
Kudos to btrull 6018 for responding to this blogger that doesn’t appreciate some of the Country’s Universities in Indiana! But these bloggers are uneducated and cannot comprehend how the whole Country is looking like Third World because of NAFTA etc.
It just seems like so many American towns have been ruined by the conversion of main streets into really wide highways. I imagine the original intention was to make places you want to go along these routes more accessible, but it’s clearly just made these areas really unpleasant, uninviting places to be. The result is that there’s now very few places along these routes you’d want to go, negating the need for all that road space.
Are you talking about the 6 lane US-41/3rd street that slightly bypasses the core of Downtown to the west?
@@ChrisHarden You may be right. I just recall the couple of times I’ve been to the US that a lot of the commercial areas look that way. Don’t get me wrong; the US is often very beautiful. But not the towns and cities.
The Eisenhower Interstate System to facilitate commercial faster and the movement of weapons systems in case of war. The affect being it bombed out most small towns in the US culturally. Bad trade off
I lived in terre haute during school… the town has one strip club and it’s closing. West Terre Haute has one as well. No idea where he got the “more per capita than anywhere in America”.
Born and raised in Indiana. Indiana is all the same. Wether the towns big or small. There will be tweakers and a Dollar general.. very boring state but also very easy to live in.
Ah, Terre Haute: A Level Above (West Terre Haute)! My ex-wife is a native Hooter, and we rented two houses there when we first got married. I recognized the empty lot one house was at (it burned down after we moved out) at around the 9:55 mark. That area of Terre Haute is called the Avenues.
Terre Haute, I think, is at its own crossroads. It can either crumble further or rise slowly. Clamping down on the drugs and crime while bringing in decent paying jobs, manufacturing in particular, are key. The problem is that historically, Terre Haute has a bad record on both those issues.
I have always heard it called Trailer Haute.
NAFTA happened
I would like to see clay city.
i think you are misguided in your thoughts, there is no garbage in the streets and very little graffiti on the buildings, very rare in this day and age, I would not call it a armpit of anything, it looks like a clean city to me.
Ok.
I've done business in Terre Haute. It's been years ago. 1970s. Columbia House Record Club at 1 Music Lane in Terre Haute. I might still owe them money. It might be partially my fault Terre Haute isn't doing well. I am sorry. :(
lol I don't think anyone paid them actually have no clue how they made it aslong as they did honestly
just go a few miles up US 41 and you'll be in chicago--the armpit of america. in fact both armpits of americs.
This place is one that is NOT on my bucket list, but like most places it has a French history:
Terra Haut literally means 'Hot Land' although you wouldn't know by visiting the town's famous Adult Bars. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You like to play around with the French translations don’t you
@@ChrisHarden My wife didn't just marry me for my handsomeness. I also dabble in languages and history.
Oooohhh Terrible Haute!
Oh, and you thought it would get better after making it through Illinois
Born and raised and still live in Terre Haute! I love my little home town..if you don't live here, you know NOTHING about us so don't speak on us!!!
I was on a Greyhound and it stopped in Terre Haute. The city was gross-looking.
Oh yeah? Where were you headed to on the Greyhound and where did you come from?
@@ChrisHarden Toledo to Cleveland to Dayton to Indianapolis to St. Louis to Kansas City to Denver to Greeley
@@jag92949 were _any_ of the Greyhound stations in a non-gross looking part of those towns?
@@YouveBeenMiddled Actually, Denver had the best bus station. All the others were terrible. For Dayton, the station was closed and I waited outside for 20 minutes.
Well explained not a bad place to live
Hey Chris! Nice work on another one. Here I was thinking outside the big names such as. Chicago Gary and Detroit maybe Benton Harbor or E Cleveland E St Louis that these medium sized midwestern cities large towns were all sunshine cornfields and the Word of God. I guess the decline is hitting everyone. Almost everywhere. And where it isn’t the rich migrants are displacing the paycheck to paycheck locals. I’m going to say as a civilization we need to do more to preserve our country as it is (no politics or blah blah blah intended). We need to take care of our S*** is what I mean.
There's a lot of Terre Haute's throughout Indiana, Ohio and Illinois. Other states too I'm sure. Any small to mid-sized city that once relied on a large factory that once provided thousands of jobs. A lot of the towns had a GM, Ford or Chrysler assembly plant or another auto parts related factory.
i live in ohio and many of our smaller cities are the same. springfield, mansfield, zanesville, etc. the big difference between indiana and ohio is our drug of choice… instead of meth it’s heroin.
@@UserName-ts3sp well all I can say, is as someone who feels trapped by the neverending onslaught of q-tips in Mercedes and Lexus and their kids who don’t look like people around here taking over everything and the price of houses and rent skyrocketing and watching everyone I know suffer, while the low income are shoved aside for continental African non English to receive all the help - Michigan Ohio and W NY look good. I don’t know much about Indiana or Minnesota or Illinois. My families plan is to move to the Detroit area this year, thanks to in part information from Chris.
@@AlexanderWaylon detroit is a good place to start. good luck
It has flaws but it could always be worse, The locals seem to hate it here, I moved to Terre Haute from Orlando like ten years ago, that place is an armpit makes Terre Haute look like Paris in comparison.
I’ve lived in 4 different cities in Indiana. Everyone in those 4 cities complained about their hometown equally. Went to a college in Indiana for 4 years where the student body was made up of students who enrolled mostly from small towns spread throughout the state. Everyone always complained about their hometown equally. Maybe it’s an Indiana thing.
I agree that Orlando is mostly a dump.
Did you realize Vermillion county Indiana borders Vermilion county Illinois? Yes you have been to both now. Remember Danville?
drove around Indiana last summer....interesting state
You misspelled Indianapolis in your map at 2:57.
Oh well. I guess that's karma for making fun of the misspelling on the Vigo County School sign.
@@ChrisHarden It just shows you're no better. (just kidding, I jest, it's all good) :)
… I do have an Indiana public school education!
They tore down Bandanas BBQ
Holy shit. I grew up here. I had no clue it had gotten that bad. People in miami where I live wonder where MAGA came from. They should see this video. When I was a kid in the 50's, it was a nice place.
Proceeds to drive down 25th, fruitridge, and 13th street 🤣🤣😮💨😮💨😮💨
Think one of the meth dealers arrested was my sister's ex? Had to be.
South Bend has been declining for 60 years. In fact much of the US is becomming 2nd world with some areas more like 3rd world countries.
Comes down to subjectivity, opinion.
Scheudke for this week?
Late like usual but it's up now
Terre Haute? Forget that, I'm heading to Grosse Point!
Lol = low on liquor LOL!!
New Jersey is the armpit of America.
New Jersey is nicer then it looks.
Have you driven through the rural parts of WV. That state made me want to take up an addiction just to cope with how sad it felt.
@@toothsweet5839 Yes, I have and I agree it's depressing AF.
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Terre is earth haute is skin. I think.
Could it be any worse under Russian rule?
You should head over to NE Ohio. Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Lorain, Youngstown, Ashtabula. Terre Haute has nothing on these cities..........
One day
Bullshit. The town has a great little race track facility right on the main drag w/a Chic Filet attached. What could be better?
Who would live here??
People
I couldn't give a thumbs up...?
6th ave no longer exsist bud
Looks like a ghost town of meth. Thanks for the info, was going to move there with my kids not no more.
I've lived in terre haute most of my life and it's definitely mucchhhh better than when i was a teenager
Im from Houston i didn't realize we were the strip club capital