I was homeschooled, private schooled and public schooled. Public school was KEY in my straying from God. It was hard to be a Christian, I was not ready as a child to face the persecution. I graduated TEN years ago!! I can’t even imagine the difficulties now. Respectfully, Jens outlooks are outdated and not applicable anymore. Things have changed. As young Christian parents, we will not surrender or gamble the souls of our children.
But, on the other side, both my husband and I were Christian kids in public school, and we both stayed in the faith, but we knew many homeschooled kids near us, and every single one of them strayed and went in the complete opposite direction.
There is a study that the University of Notre Dame did called “Good Soil.” This study is based on the kinds of education that Christian children have had and the fruit of their education. The study shows that in their Christian commitment children that graduate from public school are in the negative in their outcome, while all the Christian education options were in the positive by at least 20 points, some with at least 40 points. I’m glad that you and your husband stayed in your faith. I also went to public school and I stayed in my faith, but we are not the rule. All subjects even English and math, are taught from a secular worldview that without even knowing that is happening we internalize. Like Allie said, the perfect kind of education doesn’t exists, but we are told in the Bible by Paul to bring up our children in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. 40 hours at a public school learning all subject from a worldview that is against the knowledge of God will not accomplishing this. The purpose of education is to teach children how to be men and women. What kind of men and women would be more beneficial for our society? The kind that believes that thereis no purpose to life, or the kind that has a standard for believing that all human beings have value because they were made in the image of God.
God bless you! It is not fair to sacrifice our kids on the front lines. They're not old enough. Their minds are still forming. Let young adults, maybe in college, but even then, they need to be unusually mature , to be able to combat the absolutely insane "teaching"
So well said! My parents were Christians and I went to the public school. They tried to train me but very little time did they have with me, especially by junior high and high school. By my senior year, I hated God. Any and everything in school lead me away from Christ. After much depression for many years, I finally turned my life back to Christ. 20 years down the road since my senior year, and I’m now a mom of 3. I can’t imagine putting my children through the school system. I homeschool and do all I can to point our life to God’s Word. He leads us!
@@vanessacolongarcia2464 the homeschoolers in our community socialize a lot both with peers and other ages of people. Do you have a church group? Could you volunteer somewhere? Join a sporting club or a book club? Activities at the local library? Lots of opportunities out there. Share your desires with your parents also!
The schools I went to was in a conservative area so most people “believed” in God. My mom just retired from the same district and I would never put my kids in them. The community in general is more secular and just different than 25 years ago.
We homeschool, and I've heard so many parents tell me they cant homeschool simply because they CANT STAND the though of having to be at home with their kids all day.... and it's one of the most heartbreaking things to hear...
And some moms just like to work and not be home with the children because it’s easier.. It’s very sad if you have the option to be the one who raises your children..
I agree 100, I hear that all the time and I also think is sad. Funny thing, that’s why I started homeschooling bc I wanted to be with my kids. The great things that came with it it’s a bonus! ☺️
I was a liberal Jewish career mom until 2020. Found Jesus, kept my kids home, and there's NO WAY I'm going back to hauling my kids off to Caesar daily. My youngest two will also be home with me until they go into dual enrollment in college courses in high school. There's absolutely no way you can compete with the influence given by an atheistic public school system. Homeschooling doesn't mean sitting alone all day every day - it's an incredible experience, rich with relationships and exploration. I refuse to let my children be institutionalized by the government.
God Bless you and your family. Remain faithful and hopeful....even on the days I wasn't sure our son would be qualified to push a broom at McDonald's! All worked out beautifully! 21 year old young man who loved God and is making his own way into adulthood. Best choice to hs him before 8th grade!
Do not send them to public school. I’m a former school teacher turned homeschool mom - then single mom. God made a way for me to continue to homeschooled them all the way through high school. You can do it! You should do it!
I was homeschooled myself, my mother was far from perfect, she suffered from mental health issues her whole life, but I am so grateful she homeschooled me and my siblings. We all graduated college before age 20 and we are all walking with God, healthy marriages, etc. I am now homeschooling my kids and I love it. They are already ahead of their peers, so worth it
Yes yes yes!! 👏👏👏 Homeschooling is NOT selfish, it’s the exact opposite. The sacrifices we have made (money, time, status, freedom, relationships) in order to homeschool are extensive. Homeschooling your kids is the least selfish thing you can do.
As a homeschool parent the "loving your community" part definitely made me roll my eyes. I can tell you 100% that if I did what I wanted to do it would be much much easier to send them off to public/private schools. But putting these little "others" before myself is much more important to me! God called me to it and I know that some teachers feel the same way about their jobs. Both can be true.
I agree. You can be in the public school setting and not reaching out to the community at all. You can be in the home school setting and reach out and impact your community. Just being in a public school doesn’t automatically make you intentional!
Truth!!! It would be easy to go after what I want in life and out my kids in school. Instead, I sacrifice myself and my wants to ensure my kids get the best upbringing with wonderful Christian values and that they know the Lord and have a great relationship with him.
No disrespect intended, but Jen doesn’t really have a dog in the fight. The world isn’t what it was even a decade ago. She can say whatever she wants, but she doesn’t have to worry about the school counselor offering her adult children puberty blockers. I’m not playing roulette with my kiddos. Even if they weren’t being indoctrinated by the curriculum/teachers, they would learn all sorts of garbage from their peers. They are still young and impressionable.
She does have a dog in the fight and I will tell you how. She gave herself away. She rattled off a list of family members that work for the public school. She knows every student they lose, The school will be out tens of thousands of dollars a year From the government.
As a mom of 4, my oldest will be graduating this year. The best thing I ever did was decide when she was 5 that I would homeschool. I didn't even have long term plans or thoroughly thought out reasons, just saw my little child and couldn't imagine sending her away from me all day. I stood my ground when she was begging to go to public school in her HS years. Her father was also siding with her. Now knowing what all is going on, the curriculum etc I am solid in my decision. I love just hanging out in bed in the AM reading with my 2 youngest. Those moments learning and bonding I'll always cherish and now my oldest says she will homeschool her kids too. I love being the matriarch of a new way of parenting, living out our Christian faith, taking back our God-given sovereignty, getting out of the system, teaching my kids about holistic health.
I went to Public school and private school. I am now homeschooling my 4 children. I find it interesting that she wants her kids to be in the community so she sends them to school but doesn’t get them involved in extra curricular activities so the family has time together. We are opposite. We have all day everyday with each other. The kids go shopping with me, play with neighborhood kids, have get togethers with other homeschoolers (we are on an area of many), and they are involved in sports, and church events. I don’t understand how going to school equates to being involved in the community? I would say my kids are more involved in community by having the time to participate in these different events and explore more things.
My son was going to a private Christian school. We moved in the middle of the year and I could not get him enrolled in another one until the Fall so I put him in public school. Today he said “They don’t teach us about God here. I miss learning about God.” It broke me. I’m strongly considering pulling him out and homeschooling him.
homeschooling is by FAR the best parenting decision i've ever ever made!! It's amazing, it's a miracle, it's hard, and it is SOOOOO worth every minute of hardship and prayer
Jen said, "I know what our school district is and isn't teaching." I'm guessing what she means is that she knows what curriculum they are using. I am a homeschool teacher. Do I only ever read from the curriculum? Do these teachers never share their opinions in class? Do they not supplement with their own resources? I do not think anyone can assert that they know what is taught and not taught in every single classroom.
Yes. She’s being extremely naive about this. Seen it time after time. They all say “but our public school isn’t like that!” They never are like that…until they are.
@@lauraandrews1676 Yes, you are right! There is no such thing as neutral education. It either glorifies man or God. I went to public school K-12th and now homeschool my children and it has been such a delight to relearn everything from a God-centered, instead of man-centered worldview. We are reading through the Bible together and discussing it every day, recognizing God's sovereignty and providence through history and testing man's actions against Scripture, seeing and recognizing God's handiwork and intricate design in science, etc. I love it and I believe it is so important for children to learn that this is truly their Father's world, like that hymn Allie referenced.
I don't think she realizes how difficult it is to be involved now. They aren't teaching from textbooks. They are teaching a lot online and you don't actually see a large chunk of it.
I was public schooled k-8 (in the 1980s and 90s) and I was not a strong enough Christian to come through that without major battle scars spiritually speaking. I started 9th grade in a Christian school which my parents sacrificed SO much for and within months I had rededicated my life to Jesus and started seeing the sanctification of the Holy Soirit in every aspect of my life. My husband and I have chosen homeschooling for our kids and it is a challenge worth taking on! Our elementary girls have been able to share their faith at the playground because of the rich biblical discipleship and opportunities they have recieved at home. What an honor to witness that! That is my testimony!
I had unexpected chill bumps as I listened to Ally’s testimony of her own education growing up. I was given the same gift for most of my years and I cherish that education. Like hers, mine was not perfect but I’m so grateful for the Christian teachers and curriculum. I apply that knowledge daily!! If at all possible, and in most cases it is possible, homeschool your kids!
I have several family members and family friends that are public school teachers. Most of them have encouraged me to homeschool. Many of them say that if they had children now, they would not put them in public school. That’s telling!!
I teach at a very conservative charter school. Almost every staff member is a Christian. We aren't allowed to teach the bible, but we teach the classics and so virtue, Truth goodness, etc. My youngest is with me at this school, but I watch everything very closely as we are still under the thumb of the government. One false move and she and I are out and I'll homeschool. I would absolutely never (unless called) teach at a public school nor place my child in one. 10-15 years ago they weren't great, and we never sent our older children to secular colleges because they were so depraved. But now it's k-12 that has become just as crazy and I think the time for allowing our children to be in those environments has long passed.
After being an educator for fifteen years, I can say that every school district teaches things that should not be taught to our children. I had so many concerns and I had to step down from education. Three years ago we decided to homeschool our children. Best decision we have made! We forget that all school districts are controlled by the government and funded by it. The funding controls everything! It controls the curriculum, salaries, board and so much more.
Allie, I was a public school teacher 30+ years ago and bc of my experience there, I decided to homeschool my kids (which turned out to be 6, including a son with Down’s). I’ve also tutored/coached kids and parents with kids who have learning disabilities of all levels. So, I can say I’d classify myself as a homeschool vet. 😉. This episode is one of your best! Well done!
Did you get push back from pediatricians and other people in similar positions to send you child to public school? I have a child with autism and i am currently homeschool and every therapist and pediatrician makes me feel like a horrible parents for not wanting my child in public school. I tried it for one year and it was aweful. Teacher and doctors were pushing for medication.
@@nj8215this makes me roll my eyes so hard. So sorry that you are going through that. And so ignorant of those doctors to not think that if you need to, you could hire someone who is specialized in special needs. And that could be even better! Because they ratio would be 1:1 and not 6:1, or however the school system lays it out. Stay strong, don't let them push you around!
Our daughter was homeschooled, public schooled and Christian schooled. I thought I knew what was going on in her public school, I was on the PTA, I volunteered in the school multiple times a week. I knew most of the teachers personally and all of them by name. I knew all of the parents (I had the ladies for coffee often, etc.) of the kids in her class. I talked with all of the staff often. I figured I was pretty informed..YIKES was I wrong. We (as a PTA) had a woman that wanted to come in and talk to all of the kids. She was a child specialist of some sort...all of the letters behind her name. She talked to any of the parents that wanted to hear what she was going to say, this impressed me. She seemed honest, a quiet little lady. Well, when she had the primary kids (all of us parents were there as well), she asked the kids to come and lay on mats in front of her and away from the parents...RED LIGHTS blaring at this point. Her talk was going to be on personal space, finding things in the playground or out for walks and to talk to parents before touching...and a bunch of other really good things, this is what she explained to us. I would also like to say this was OVER 30 YEARS AGO. She then showed how to put a condom on, what periods were about, what sex was about..etc....etc... Our daughter was so busy goofing off that she wasn't paying attention (I watched her closely and would have grabbed her if she was listening). None of the kids were listening, they were just playing around. Why did we stay? I wanted to have the info in case this became a big deal as we as the PTA had hired this woman, I also wanted to be prepared in case our daughter's friends brought things up with her. I questioned our daughter on the way home as well as for a few days afterwards, but she hadn't been listening. I thank God for this every time I think about this. Our daughter was in kindergarten. The next years was spent in a private school/homeschooled, where she stayed until grade 10 and then when I knew she was prepared, she went back to public school. Again...I did my research and her final 4 years were great. Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to point out that just because you are told something, just because you believe something...it doesn't necessarily mean that is what is actually happening.
I am wondering how a person who no longer has children in public school can speak with any authority? Schools have changed DRAMATICALLY in the past 5 years.
Attend any public events being held. Homecoming parades, graduations, food drives, football games, Christmas musicals, Spring festivals, dinners held to raise money, etc. Most things are visually obvious. Ask questions if you have the courage. You can still go to school board meetings. Even community and town meetings can give you an idea of what's going on. Just being involved in these community events once in a while gives you enough authority to speak out publicly.
@jacqulineard...I understand what you are saying - all good ideas - but I mean how can this mother still consider herself qualified to speak on benefits of public school as she has NO idea what is actually happening in classrooms.
I sent my oldest daughter to Christian School when she was younger. She met some of the most unloving, manipulative troubled children there who made her life a living Hell. I was so saddened by the event. I later found out that many parents whose children were problematic and bullies in the public schools were sending their children to the Christian schools in the hopes of bettering them, and those kids brought their issues with them. I also felt that some of the teachers snubbed parents like me who did not have the extra money and time to show our generosity. One of my daughters ended up getting assaulted during her time in public school. It was difficult navigating all the sexual moral trash coming their way. I have a granddaughter now, and with what's going on at the public schools, I would love for her to go to Christian school if it is affordable. However, having done it both ways, parents have to do their research. Church is not necessarily a morally safe place anymore, and that's sad.
100% agreed. The instituition itself may have good bases, however even some people that work in there may agree with 'progressive' ideals and likewise they bring it into the church, they also do it into christian schools, affecting kid and teens perceptions daily. I've seen Catholic school teacher mocking students that defend Creationism, I've also heard about many problematic scenarios inside Adventist Schools, simply because kids are out of control or because too many progressive artists and teachers get involved within the instituition and have simply dominated spaces. I had never admitted home schooling as a real thing until I entered adulthood and saw the hell the world is in.
:( I'm sorry you had tough [terrible, really] experiences with both experiences. Yeah, my dad said that happened when he was a kid too - problem kids from public schools were sent to private Christian schools. My parents opted to homeschool my siblings and me.
my sister went to a private christian high school and had a similar experience. some of the kids were just as bad as the public school kids. very disappointing because we thought they would be really good kids from good homes.
My kids go to a private school. They've had a great experience. Not a perfect one, but they're thriving and having fun. Long story short, homeschool just wasn't right for us. We tried it for 5 years and it ended up being more of a harm than an asset to our kids. My daughter was bullied by two HOMESCHOOL friends. Both in person and online. We had to cut ties with them. Their parents couldn't endure hearing that their christian-kids might be the bullies. For my daughter's sake, I just didn't have the luxury of allowing the toxic friendship to keep going.
I just finished selecting and buying the homeschool curriculum for next year, my daughter’s 11th grade; about $650. I think MOST of families in America can afford that. The money is not the biggest sacrifice for homeschooling; the time is. Sadly so many Christian parents don’t want to sacrifice their time..
Not to mention, there are TONS of free resources for curriculums. We are doing Ambleside Online and supplementing some purchased curriculum. I agree that money isn’t a barrier that some think it is
We spend about 1,000$ per child (I have 3 kids) and it's STILL worth every cent to me. You don't have to go this route you can homeschool for nearly free these days. Peace of mind is priceless to me 💗
If you have children in middle school or younger it also means one parent has to be home full time- which means sacrificing a second income. For our family that means we are giving up 60 and up 90k so that I can be home full time. It’s definitely worth it but it’s not cheap!
If your children grow up and don’t become believers, how is that helping anyone? We homeschooled and all of our kids are believers, went to college and have jobs where they are impacting their community. Especially when they are young, it is our job to protect them and bring them up in the training and instruction of the e Lord.
@@erikastanger7848 that is so true, my kids included. Yet it is not an excuse for parents to hand them over to the system. I will never regret sending our kids to Christian schools. It was a convicted and prayerful decision with much financial stress. Though not all our four children currently live for Christ, I trust in Gods providence and timing to call them to Himself.
We homeschool our kids ages 15,13,10,8 and 6. I cannot imagine any other way with my kids- they have never been in school. I feel so blessed to truly know them the way that only homeschool allows. When people send their kids away for the whole day, they are giving up so much. We have been given such a profoundly impactful role as parents and homeschool only deepens that.
I suffered bullying, criticism, and rejection from my peers (and some teachers!) in the public schools. As a sensitive child, I found the institutional setting soul killing. Boredom and lack of stimulation marked my days. My K-12 experience was like a sentence to be served. I am grateful that I got through it without a single thought of self-harm but many children in recent decades do not. Not only do they have thoughts of self-harm because of daily, unrelenting negative experiences in public school, they act upon them. When children today are bullied and ask for help, the adults around them seem impotent to help. When children realize that no one is going to rescue them, increasing numbers act with tragic, permanent outcomes! Parents deceive themselves if they think they know all that is going on in their children's hearts and minds as their children navigate their days through the public schools. Too, it is folly to think that a heart-to-heart conversation is somehow a cure-all for the things with which they are confronted and exposed. Parents are tasked with providing for their children's welfare in every way--body, soul, and spirit. Conscientious parents can provide for their children's needs, including a quality education that addresses every aspect of their children's beings, in their homes.
If Jen was talking about sending kids to a tuition-free classical charter school her points may be valid. I pulled my kids from a public school that is rated “excellent.” In second grade the counselor came to their classroom for a lesson about following your heart. My son said he thinks we should follow Jesus that our hearts are deceitful above all else. He was told they aren’t allowed to talk about that in school. He’s now in sixth grade at a classical school. The district public school now hands out LGBTQ flags to kindergartners on the welcome day. I’m so grateful I pulled them!
As great as homeschooling is, we must always remember that we can't give our kids a sinless, perfectly explained and exampled upbringing. We CAN give them a consistent, explicit theology of God, humanity, sin, and life. It will come out in little pieces as you diligently teach them at the dinner table, in the car, and at bedtime. And parents who do send their child to public school can still do that. God is merciful and just to all. These teaching moments come out most naturally when you personally prioritize seeking God's face. So whether God leads you to public, private, or homeschool, He can still work for good in the lives of those who love Him. I myself am a product of a public school education. My parents took me and my siblings out of a sound Christian private school because it got too expensive. However, they still made it a priority to integrate theology and biblical discipleship in everything. God gets great glory from making us prosper in a setting deemed unlikely. A successful, properly educated child isn’t made solely at homeschool or private school, but is a result of parents who diligently and consistently brought up their child in the Word of God, with love, on a daily basis.
But, statistically speaking, this model isn’t working out very well. More and more children are atheist, trans, and virulently anti-Christian. You are the exception. We need a system that works much much better so that our country isn’t just treading water: it’s succeeding. I am a public school graduate and even in a small conservative community it was miserable without God day in and day out, feeling hopeless and depressed, without being able to speak of God or pray. I vowed I wouldn’t put my children through this same torture and have been able to so far, avoid public school.
@@mrs.b3902 I completely understand what you’re saying! My point was that parents need to make discipleship apart of the child’s everyday life. School should not be the only place where God is emphasized. He needs to be in all parts of the child’s life. That’s how they will have an authentic faith and grow to be devout believers. Homeschool is not the only place where devout believers are formed. Wherever God leads you to place your kids, do it! Some parents have the means to homeschool, and some don’t. But school choice is not a sin issue. God gives us wisdom and discernment with how to move about it for our particular situation. It will look differently for everyone.
@@Coilyhairedgirly but, to push back a little, if we are failing so drastically, aren’t we called to provide a different model? I’m not saying it has to be homeschooling, I’m saying it could be a 3 day a week full time homeschool co op, a 5 day a week private low cost school, other options. I think we are called to change, and to share God each day, and not separate him out so the majority of our children’s formative years is without God (7 hours a day plus, five days a week, for 9 months a year). We can and should strive to do better and teach children in a way that connects God to education. There is a war, and we need all hands on deck. Certainly school is not the only place where God is emphasized but it is perhaps the biggest area of our children’s time and therefore, life all the way up through their early 20s. So, it should be the most important place where God is emphasized IMHO bc every thing, everything points to God.
@@mrs.b3902 I am by no means claiming that God should not be a part of school. Like I said before, He should be emphasized in ALL parts of life. But speaking in terms of biblical prophecy, we know that the world will continue to move further and further apart from God (Matthew 24:10-12). This IS going to happen as we are in the last days. So yes, we can strive towards a better way, but at the end of the day, we need to remember that God’s will is sovereign over our own desires. This battle isn’t against flesh and blood, but principalities and power (Ephesians 6:12) and we are in this world, but not of it (John 17:14-16). This is Satan’s world, so people in darkness are going to continue doing what they do and have no respect for God or the things of God. That’s why public schools are becoming increasingly worse and worse. For some families who literally cannot afford to homeschool their kids because they have to be outside the home to work and pay bills, homeschool is not an option. I come across of a lot of well-meaning believers who desire to homeschool or put their children in private school, but don’t have the means to do it. So for those families, their kids have to go to public school. And in this case, if the child is being properly discipled at home, imagine what a light they would be at school? Especially for other kids who don’t know God? God gets so much glory when a child of his shares and lives out the gospel in that type of worldly setting. Think of so many other people in the Bible who were used for God’s glory in a godless society: Daniel in Babylon, Joseph in Egypt, Paul in Roman prison, and so many more! God knows we all want to protect our kids, and He does too! I believe with all my heart, that He provides abundant grace, mercy, and protection for believers in this situation.
Thank you for not shying away from having the difficult discussions and debates. This is why I watch your channel. Please continue navigating these difficult topics with such tact, grace, and fact!
The thing is, I always hear Christian parents use the argument that their children will be salt and light and evangelize in schools. However, not only is this extremely rare (I only knew one girl who faithfully did this in high school out of the entire student body), but I almost never see parents out evangelizing with their children in ANY other sphere. And by almost never, I mean never, I’m just trying to give the benefit of the doubt. Why the push for evangelism from children inside these super worldly places, and yet little no no evangelism anywhere else, including the parents? In fact, I would go evangelizing and was consistently turned down when I invited others to go. Seems very inconsistent and just a smoke screen, in my opinion.
Sending children into war. It's not logical or okay. Prepare them to fight like lions when they are grown! That preparation happens at home, not at the battle front. You're so right
My friends all knew I was a Christian when I was in school. My mother brought many of them to Bible club and some of them were saved. But my brother was pretty much lost in the process
It's laziness, selfishness, and apathy mixed with a heaping helping of denial and willful ignorance. And yes, I will stand by that statement. You might as well throw your child into a sewage pit as send them to public school or secular private school (and most Christian schools are only marginally better).
Great job discussing this Allie! I completely agree with you. My two boys spent their first years in public school (oldest to grade 5, youngest grade 3) as I was pretty much a nominal Christian and didn’t give it much thought. Enter Covid…God used that to “wake me up” and I now have a robust faith that impacts every single area of my life. I’ve homeschooled for 2 years now and it’s been really great. My boys are happier than ever and everything we learn is steeped in God’s word. It’s been such a blessing to our family. I honestly think we need to dig deeper into “Christian” schools. I’m in Canada and they are 80% funded by the government. I’m sorry but that’s public school that you pay for out of pocket. I have not heard great things about our local Christian school and the children who attend there are just as worldly as the public school kids. They’re just better dressed and go to church most Sundays. I believe it’s homeschool or classical Christian school going forward. We can’t rely on Christian schools who take the State’s money to properly disciple our kids. They’re compromised.
Your testimony sounds almost exactly like mine!! Nominal/coasting/apathetic Christian…2 oldest kids in public school…me: ”I’ll NEVER homeschool”…cue Covid and everything changed. My eyes were opened, God shook me awake and spurred me on to a truer, deeper faith, and He changed my heart 180 about homeschooling. My positive “whys” were so much greater than my fears! We’re on our second year homeschooling and all of us couldn’t imagine it any other way. It’s the best 😭❤️
My husband and I both were in public education for all of school and we assumed we’d do the same for our kids. Over the past year God made it very obvious that we would be looking at other avenues for educating our kids. My special needs son is currently at public school for preschool but if God wills we will be pulling him out of there and either homeschooling him along with my daughter or we’ll enroll him in special needs private education. Leaning heavily on the Lord for His will to be done as every parent making this decision should! Thank you Allie for speaking on this.
I never dreamed I would be homeschooling.... my son will start kindergarten this year and we will be homeschooling. We're making sacrifices... my husband will be working part time and teaching the days he's off work. I'll be teaching the days I'm off work. We know in our hearts God wants us to protect our child's innocence and right now this is the best we can do for him! We're putting our child 1st. We will make a great effort and with the Lord's direction to make sure he is well rounded. I'm just not willing to put him in public school and just see what happens. Wait until an incident happens to pull him out and it maybe too late. It's irrelevant to me if it's in our local schools curriculum YET or not... it's only a matter of time. One of my friends have kids in Christian school and she says she's had several instances her kids have encountered LGBTQ ideas (by students not teachers) bc of parents sending to Christian schools that aren't christ centered bc parents want another option other than public school.... our child is once of our greatest gifts and responsibilities. We take that very seriously.
I'm a single mom with a homeschooler. She goes to an online Christian academy; Northstar Academy. Prior to that, I sent her to an in person private school.
I am having so much fun homeschooling my kids, I can't believe I am this blessed. ❤ I truly believe any mom who isn't is missing out on the best years of her life with her children.
I don’t care that this was a long episode because it had such good points. It helped put some things into perspective for me. And Voddie’s quote about Caesar, wow! That was convicting.
Everyone talks about not all parents being in a situation where they can send their kids to a Christian school. Honestly, I don’t have the time to send my kids to a public school. My husband and I are as involved as we can be, but we don’t have the time to helicopter over the curriculum, attend every school board meeting, & read between the lines of everything we know are purposefully being kept from parents in the public school system. Sending our kids to a well-researched Christian school allows us the time to maintain a reasonable overview of our kids’ curriculum with the added comfort of every teacher maintaining & teaching from the same Biblical worldview we have. Instead of school board meetings, we get to enjoy going to biblical programs put on by the students throughout the year, & grow in our relationships with fellow believers (parents of other children there, some who also attend our church). For an active Christian, a true believer & follower of Christ, having a Christian education environment for your kids should naturally fit into your life.
Wow, a lot of truth. I homeschooled my 5 children and am currently homeschooling 4 grandchildren, ages 4- 10. We open with a word of prayer, and the 2 oldest have memorized Psalm 1. They have memorized a lot of Bible songs and blessed our home fellowship with their talents. I'm so grateful that I have this opportunity as an older woman to speak into their lives each day that they are in our home. There are days that frustration is very present, but at the end of the school day , they give me a big hug and tell me they love me! It's a blessing that money can't buy! I often think of the verse that speaks about offending a little one. Also, putting a stumbling block in front of someone. We need to pray for each other. Thank you for this podcast! God Bless!
It is so wonderful what you are doing for your grandchildren! 💛 Have you heard of Josh Mulvihill and his books on Biblical grand-parenting? Sounds like you are living that out!
@@kimberlymurray304 Thank you. I count it a privilege to speak in their lives every school day. Their parents have a home business across the lawn. We are very close! I'm so grateful we see eye to eye on most matters. Thank you for your kind words!🥰
We have homeschooled our four children using a Christian curriculum from the beginning. Our oldest son graduates this year and our youngest son started this year. Absolutely no regrets!!
Your rant at the beginning is literally describing my step mom. It’s nearly impossible to have a Christian based conversation with her, or for that matter say anything at all. It’s like she had decided that whatever I say she must have an opposing opinion because we’re on ‘opposite political sides’. It’s so heartbreaking
I grew up in public school and while I was definitely a rocky experience, I do believe my generation had a great experience. We live in a small town in Alabama and the closest private school was about an hour away. My parents both worked and honestly neither of them would have been cut out to homeschool me. Public school was a great option and opportunity for me. I was president of my FCCLA chapter, a school rep, and my yearbook editor. My husband and I met in 10th grade and our school provided incredible opportunities for him. He graduated salutatorian, got a full ride for undergrad, and went on to medical school, etc. We had a wholesome childhood and are so grateful. But this was because we were in a small town. We went to church with most of our teachers and knew them like family outside of school. Now we live in a more populated town a few hours away and we are praying that our son gets into a private Christian school. We toured all the schools in our area and our public school was nothing like how we grew up. Nothing decorating the halls, no playground, no recess, no talking during lunch, no talking in the hallways, no family events… it felt like a cold, sterile environment. Not somewhere nurturing and inspiring. When we walked into the smaller Christian schools my husband and I looked at each other and immediately thought, “this feels just like our childhood”. My elementary teachers were amazing. I still remember their names, their fun classrooms, and how I always felt so welcomed and encouraged in their classrooms. Now it’s all about academics and testing. We need change in our public schools.
I agree completely with all you say here. I was raised in a Catholic family that included exactly ZERO bible study. Teens through early adult I was an agnostic. Not actually an atheist, I just never thought of God at all, whether He existed or not was not in my thoughts. Only at 30 something did I finally see the Truth, and was born again. The lack of a bible based home and school life was a terrible defect in my life, I believe. And I had no control over that, I was the child. Nothing is more important in family life than raising kids up in the faith. Public school in general is at the very least antithetical to that, and often virulently and hatefully opposed to it.
Don't apologize for how long this was. You kept it moving, and there was just SO much that it could have gone for another half hour and you would have kept my interest. Great job!
Public schools have gone down the drain in California. I have friends that tell me , these schools dont learn science, math or evolution!!!!!!! Yeah go figure. My kids learned it all including the fairy tale of evolution. We must learn about both sides of the theory of evolution which Darwin could never prove.
Thank you Allie Beth, you are spot on! I’ve been researching Jen Wilkin. From what I have seen, Jen Wilkin’s actual curriculum is biblically sound, but through her public comments, she is walking the line to enter into feminism. I believe that she writes curriculum that is used to teach men, so does that mean she is teaching men? Also, the pastor of her home church, Matt Chandler, is sympathetic to social Justice. She not only sits under his teaching, but holds a position in The Village Church. In my opinion, her comparison of a woman’s minstrel cycle to identifying with Christ’s blood on the cross, was a ridiculous stretch. I am a very long time Christian, and I’ve seen many things come and go. I believe that our responsibility, as followers of Christ, is to be discerning, to protect the integrity of the Gospel. My belief is that Social Justice, is not a biblical concept. It is just another false belief that is trying to be added to the gospel. The Word of God is truth, and it is sufficient. My personal decision is to not sit under the teaching of Jen Wilkin. I don’t respect her as an authority in matters of Christian living, in fact the more I hear Wilkin’s comments, the less I trust her. PS My children went to public school, private school, and were home schooled. When we started homeschooling it was because my child needed special attention, and we were concerned about the non- Christian environment of public schools. The public school environment of today, is generally far more toxic than it was in 1983. The general world view is secular to the core. I don’t believe that you send children into a war, if you have another choice. Parents be vigilant!
We have our children in the Messianic school in Jerusalem, and my husband is a HS Principal at a Christian school, and I like to encourage everyone to always check into financial options before ruling it out based on the bottom line. There's often a lot more avenues for assistance than you realize. We've seen the Lord provide for ours and for others too.
Yep. I think Christian school is the best option. Homeschooling has its ugly pitfalls, too. And boys don't need to be staying home with their mommies during adolescence.
@@rdnugent1 We've seen research that shows private schools actually have the best academic and social outcomes when compared to public school and homeschooling. The only place homeschooling edged above the rest is in passing down values, but the researching wasn't evaluating only Christian private schools. Our schools have very much supported our values, and it's been helpful to be part of a community that shares our beliefs.
@@rdnugent1 But homeschooling isn’t some one size fits all though. You choose what your son does in adolescence, but let’s not act as if a teenage boy running around with other teenage boys is somehow better than with his mother. The father must be present, and that can or cannot happen in both situations.
Sure, but my comment isn't simply an either-or. Obviously, a boy running around with ANY other boys isn't always going to be better than being with his mother, just as a present father is certainly better than no father. My point is that if our jobs as mothers is to raise MEN, we have to realize that we don't get there by having them cooped up in the home with only their siblings as their friends and their mommy as their teacher. All throughout history, there is a point in time when a boy is being geared toward becoming a man, but from so much of my own observation, homeschooling often stunts this process. And I've seen it A LOT. And part of the problem is the mothers have their identities completely wrapped up in their son and the thought of him taking on any risk whatsoever causes her to be the juggernaut in him actually embracing manhood.
7:05 - That is why I love you and your show so much Allie! I know that you will let your listeners know what is and is not right, according to God's word. This show is SO refreshing! Thank you for always being honest, and staying true to your beliefs, while having grace for those who disagree in good faith. God bless you!
I went to a private Christian school through 6th grade 7-12 were public schools. I typically put my perspective as like this: My foundation of Christian education sharpened my sword, but my public education taught me how to wield it. I’m incredibly grateful for the education I have. I really switched into public schools at the best possible time in my life. I made a lot of mistakes, but God always used it to His glory. I also do not believe there is a “one size fits all answer for this.” For my kids, as young as they are, we have them in private school. I’d prefer not to put them in public school if I can at all help it, but if God calls us to trust Him and put our kids in public schools, I will.
I made the choice to switch because my kids should be learning MORE Bible in the 8 hours away from home. I don’t teach them enough Bible. We love our small private Christian school ❤️ we would be in public school if BIBLE was a subject. It’s a single issue for me just like in voting.
I was a public school student, became a second generation public school teacher and then a parent of public school children. I’ve personally experienced every socioeconomic class through this “educational” lens and found that all public schools have the same philosophy. It was once a neutered (not neutral) one-size-fits-all education and now it’s a Marxist one. If a parent sends their children to public school they need to know that this is the agenda: to promote activism. Our children attended the top school district in our state of NJ where there was recently a drag show for kids and currently hosts a LGBTQ after school club. Several former classmates of my kids have changed their gender and a couple of them are furries. We homeschool and plan on Classical Christian School for high school. There are so many opportunities today-like pod schools, online high schools, clubs-for parents to think outside of the box. The factory model of public school is outdated and this radical philosophy is actually hurting our communities.
I totally agree with you Allie. Train up your children, not sacrifice them for the "greater good". And when they are adults then they can fill positions of teaching, school board etc. And that's where they make a difference. I loved " not old enough to hold up a shield". You go girl! from Cin, 62.
So much yes. SO much yes. Also, ya know how my homeschooling mom loved her neighbor? She homeschooled kids who were failing in public schools. FOR FREE. People in her community, her neighbors, who were struggling. She said, hey, you bring them here, I’ll see where they are, and we’ll go day by day and try to get them farther along. I saw kids in my community go from apathetic and barely able to read, to devouring book after book. And they memorized scripture, read the Bible together, discussed current worldview issues, all of that as well. These families were not all believers. They just needed something better for their kids. We were in rural NC where the teachers were under equipped and over worked. I get it. I’m not blaming teachers. But public school has limitations. I’m not saying every homeschool family should invite struggling kids into their homes. That’s not possible or desirable for everyone, but my point is that there are SO many ways to love your neighbors and to pour into your communities. And YES! The best way to build a brighter future for our kids is to give them a SOLID foundation of the word of God and love of Christ.
My oldest daughter was in highschool for her last 2 years of HS. She had been homeschooling for 3 years prior. In that 2 years she smoked weed, started vaping, started hanging out with a progressive gay crowd and fell into bi-sexual relationship at one point. I had no idea any of this was happening until my son shared with me. Praise God he led her out.
Beware of Christian schools though too. They have the same social issues, even if it’s not coming from the teachers. The best I can explain it is that they (at least in my area) have gangrene. And the leadership denies that there’s a problem. My friends just pulled their kids out of a Christian school because of the hidden culture that was destroying their daughter. The gay kids on color guard. The teacher that put himself against the parents for the sake of his sport. The “they/them” students that weren’t being addressed even if leadership said “oh we don’t allow that”. The open drinking in the parking lot. The open defiance against teachers. The cursing and rebellion. Even the Bible teacher homeschooled his kids instead of sending them to the very school he worked in. The confusion that comes from being in a supposed “Christian” environment, only to discover it’s not at all. But still pretending to be. So be aware that you can’t just send your kids to a christian school and think that everything will be fine. What killed me the most is that I personally know one of the admin at this school, and told her what was going on. She said the kid was lying. Wouldn’t even consider it. Because “not at my school”. So it’s left unchecked and being eaten from the inside out.
Yes! And truthfully it’s not only about what is taught by school systems and teachers, it’s also about what other kids are going to be teaching my kids too… maybe it’s through another child’s exposure to phones/computers/ticktock/porn, when my kids are away from me and not supervised I can only imagine how quickly their innocence can be taken away. It happened to me and I will do my best to protect my kids for as long as I can.
I enjoyed hearing your take on this. I watched the debate and was disappointed that homeschooling wasn't represented well. If anything, it was shown in a very negative light. Also, I felt it was unfair to compare the best of public school environments to the absolute worst of Christian schools/homeschools.
I agree with that! I was also disappointed to hear that her stance on Christian schools was tainted from growing up with a negative viewpoint from her mom at the Christian school, and that she carried that opinion on into her own life. Feels more like an outdated opinion, versus a valid argument!
"This is My Father's World" is my favorite hymn, too. I appreciate your sharing your point of view and opening up dialogue about many important topics. I think it's wonderful that we all have so many educational and religious choices, so we can each find what fits with our hearts. I was raised in a Presbyterian Church and attended public schools from kindergarten through 12th grade in the 1980s and 1990s. My husband was raised in Catholic Church and attended public school for kindergarten through 2nd grade, and then attended an Assemblies of God private school from 3rd-12th grade in the 1970s and 1980s. Our education had a lot of overlap in the subjects we studied, though some topics got more time or were taught differently altogether. Of course, in public school, your classmates come from all different religious and denominational backgrounds, and it was interesting to learn from them (as well as in my own church and working on projects alongside other congregations), about what we each celebrate and believe in. Each school is a bit different, even within a county, and knowing the differences can help families choose their best fit, whether it's a school to go to, or homeschooling.
Raised in the public schools, mom taught in the schools, and I was a speech language pathologist in the schools (10 years…loved it). My husband and I get to homeschool and I’m so very grateful. Wonderful video, Allie!!
Something lost in the Christian education conversation is that a "Christian education" is not a secular education with a Bible class. It's not even opening class with a Bible verse or checking off a mention of God before opening the textbook. Christians should be concerned with the restoration of Reality, seeing God's world as he created it and in which He invites our participation and flourishing within the bounds of what nourishes a whole person. I think if Christian parents understood the richness of Education (the wonder! the enchantment! the gift!), this conversation wouldn't be a conversation. Knowing that math is a thing of God and to do it well is to become a bit more like Him is a wildly different thing than "neutral math", and a gift to both teacher and student. Always enjoy your education episodes, Allie Beth! Thank you!
I went to Public school all my life. My father gave us a fantastic biblical foundation at home, and my mom always taught us to be independent and to think for ourselves, so it wasn’t the most difficult thing for me to face with opposing topics that were contrary to the Bible. I did the work and it didn’t sway me. Of course, like with any human experience, there are gaps with my parental teaching, and though the public school upbringing may have colored my thinking, when faced with the Biblical perspective, it was always righted. That said, I am so very thankful that the Lord has provided for my family enough to allow me to homeschool my children. Seeing what kind of secular track public school has continued on, and how blatantly unsafe it’s become, I don’t feel like they’re missing anything. I can give them a comprehensive education from both sides now. Does that mean I won’t have gaps in my education, no, and that’s not a realistic expectation to have. But their Christian education, combined with allowing my kids to see not only my faith, but that of my husband’s play out, having the hard conversations, and a heck of a lot of prayer… phew… we have faith that the Lord will fill those gaps in for us. The secular indoctrination of children has ramped up too much for me to feel comfortable sending them to public school. God-willing, we will homeschool throughout all their school years.
So we homeschool - any other homeschoolers out there thinking the whole loving your neighbor and being a light thing is actually already met through your local church? I don't know how involved we could be in the ministry of our local church if we didn't have the freedom to drop off meals, visit nursing homes, sit with the elderly during the day, etc. School hours feel so strapping now that we've been homeschooling for a few years 😂
The parents should be the ones being salt and light to their own children, not shoving them out the door and using the 'salt and light' thing as an excuse to not take responsibility for their children's education (including, most importantly, their moral education).
As a former public school special education teacher to now a homecoming mom of 3, I don't think Wilkin understands what is taught in public school verses a Christian education. There is so much difference in a Classical/Christian worldview of history & science that the public school will never even touch, or maybe just corrupt all together. The amount of information just from a truly historic perspective is astonishing and takes several years to learn. Public school education is not what people think it is. It is a worldview & I would be astonished if many "Christian" public school children are learning these things at home to counter what lies they learn at school. Not to mention that most of our children are not yet even Christians in their formidable years. It's like sacrificing them. I don't get it.
You should invite on the ladies from “A Delectable Education” podcast on to talk about Christian home education from a Charlotte Mason style, and compare to classical! I know you had the head of CC on at one point, and these ladies have so many wonderful things to say ❤❤❤. Charlotte Mason method is not the same kind of neoclassical that is most popular today, but they or Karen Glass would be excellent at showing how it is in the classical tradition and similarities/ differences and the beauty of the method.
I would love this! We adore our Charlotte Mason homeschool and it is highly underrated and not well known. Susan Shaeffer Macaulay (Simply Charlotte Mason) or Julie Ross (The Charlotte Mason Show podcast/A Gentle Feast) would be awesome to have on, too. I love how they all communicate the richness and beauty of a Charlotte Mason education and teaching the whole person! ❤️❤️❤️
Karen Glass says Charlotte Mason is classical except that the ancients did not believe education should be for everyone and Mason did! I have to agree- after reading The Liberal Arts Tradition and 3 of Mason’s volumes I don’t see any difference between classical and CM. But there is a big difference between CM and neo-classical.
This was so helpful. Thank you once again Allie. I have a hard time being open to Jen’s presentation when she includes gaslighting in likening discerning parents to fear mongers. This is a pretty tough pill to swallow.
You can say you know what your kids are learning in the classroom, but unless you are IN that classroom for the full day, you have no idea what your child is learning and being exposed to.
I never, ever thought I would advocate for homeschool but I’ve definitely changed my mind! In my case, I went to a small non denominational K-8 then spent the first half of 9th grade in a Catholic school where the majority of the kids came from wealthy families. It was a culture shock and not in a good way. I then went to a public school to finish high school, which was much calmer by comparison and I truly had excellent teachers. This was back in the 90s and things have definitely changed.
Thank you, Allie! I had watched this whole interview/debate and was left feeling judged by Jenn’s points and demeanor. They left out of the discussion that this choice is also different for each child! It is time to build each other up, not tear down.
"The Church needs more hashing out." "More division is caused by lack of vigorous debate than by the presence of it." 100%!!!! Thank you for challenging Christians! We need it! We need to THINK about all of these things and not just take other peoples' word for it. We need to figure it out for ourselves based on the WORD and our convictions. We do that through healthy debate and hearing all the sides. Yes. Yes. Yes. Amen, sister! I appreciate your willingness to speak these things out loud in public because you make people think and seek Truth! Love you!
I was a public school student in the 80's and 90's and always said I would never homeschool. Fastforward to now, with three kids and in our 10th year of homeschooling. I will never say never, but we have no intentions of ever putting our kids in public school with what they are teaching these days. I have never said that I loved homeschooling, I am not one of those moms. I love my kids and that is why I do it. It is a hard choice and doesn't get easier as you go, it changes. But again, I do it because I love my children and we want to be the ones speaking the most into their lives and helping them to navigate this world we are in.
We homeschool for the same reasons...not because I LOVE homeschooling and being together 24/7, but because we strongly feel we want the most time possible to influence our children with Gospel of Jesus.
I went to several public schools, Christian private schools, and homeschool. I homeschooled my children after first having them in public school. I am so glad we homeschooled, but I will say, it unfortunately did not stop them from being exposed to worldly issues, even sadly in a christian homeschool co-op that we attended for years because sin is everywhere and "christian" is used loosely. However, I still am so grateful that we homeschooled because they saw both sides. They had to use critical thinking and make their own decisions as to whether they wanted to make those same choices or not. We had wonderful conversations about the gospel and what the Bible says about life and how to live, as well as how the enemy works in the world and how to combat that with the word of God. I don't know that we would've had those long talks if we didn't have that time. No judgement to anyone in public school. My personal conviction and desire was to homeschool and I'm grateful to have had that choice.
Final comment: homeschooling is fun. Not every day - as with anything, there are good and bad days but the good far exceeds the challenging and the best benefit is a GREAT family culture.
I don't know anyone saying it's easy. Nothing worthwhile is easy. That's doubly true when it comes to training up children! But that's the job of a parent. The problem is many parents don't want to put forth that effort. It's "easier" to dump your kids with strangers for 6+ hours a day, 5 days a week.
We should tell people it's easy, but it's not as difficult as many think. We can teach in 3 to 4 hours/ day. So much depends on the personalities of the kids. I had kids of all different learning styles.
Having kids is hard. I actually have 5 kids, 2 of them teenagers and one is an infant, and yeah it’s hard but it’s not like it would be much easier if they were in school. A good parent would still be helping with homework and projects and keeping up with their work. Plus getting up at 5 am to catch the bus or sit in an car line for 2 hours is not at all appealing to me lol
Allie, thank you for this discussion and sharing your opinions. I have benefited from Jen Wilkins books in the past but I feel like she has completely jumped on the social justice bandwagon with this issue. The clips I saw of her were all about how our decisions should be made for the “good of others” completely ignoring the fact that our primary “others” as parents are our children, whom we must disciple! I know you mentioned this - such an important point. Also just want to say a hearty AMEN to the fact that NO ONE chooses to homeschool (or private Christian school) for their own benefit. I have been homeschooling my 4 kids for the past 5 years and if I didn’t believe it was what God had called me to do in this season I would have quit 5 years ago 😂 It’s a sacrifice - but one that I lay down willingly and happily, knowing that the early years of raising our children in the “greenhouse” of Christianity will better prepare them for the tumultuous years ahead of them. And on the note of “diversity” I think making an effort to be involved in a church that has outreach and hopefully a church body comprised of people from many backgrounds can do wonders in exposing our children to different cultures and ideas.
My hubs and I started homeschooling our oldest son when he entered his sixth grade year. We used heart of Dakota for his lessons. Great curriculum! But then we brought his younger sister home in her sixth grade year and I struggled to help them in math and English. We prayed and asked the lord to help us find something that they could do online maybe. The private Christian schools locally cost upwards of 15,000 per year per kid. We are a one income family and just could not afford that. Good gave us Enlightium Academy which is an online Christian private school. It has been an absolute God sent! I am so thankful for the teachers and the heart of all the staff. My oldest will be a senior next year and my daughter will be a junior. We have a 10 year old that we are using the heart of Dakota lessons for now. He will be enrolled his seventh grade year into Enlightium! We have saved so much money and the kids are getting a solid accredited Christian education. We praise God for it. With so many options, I would say ANY family can find a way to provide their kids with a Christian education. God bless you Allie and thank you for being so out spoken about this topic!
My husband and I recognize all the political/medical mandates issues being pushed on our kids. We have sacrificed so much on the surface, but its worth it to keep homeschooling. It's been enriching for us as a family. We homeschool through a public school program in which we choose the curriculum. We moved from California to a conservative state in order to continue protecting and guiding our kids in Christ. God has definitely provided avenues and support throughout our journey 🙏
Hi, I was homeschooled. I have an MA in English. My mom is and was a rockstar. She homeschooled all 5 of her children as a single mother. My dad gave her $1,300 a month from 1996-2009. His financial support never increased or decreased. She had cleaning jobs to help make ends meet. We shopped at the thrift store, and sometimes we went without because of her commitment to staying at home to homeschool . Homeschooling is not for everyone, but anyone can do it! My mom didn’t have a college education, but she educated future nurses, an engineer, a small business owner, and and English instructor who all know and love God. I will homeschool my children because it is not only the best educational option available to me, but it ensures that I and their father will be the primary influences in their young lives.
Beautiful comment. You are very lucky to have a great mother. I want to homeschool my kids too but everyone around me is telling me ‘no’. I don’t know what to do.
@@daisyx1002 After my dad left, everyone told my mom to put us in school and get a job. She had a clear directive from God, and she persevered. If God asks you to do something, He will be faithful in helping you to accomplish it!
As the mother of two public schooled children, I urge all Christians to pull their children out of the public sewer system otherwise known as the public education system. Your children are not being educated, they are being indoctrinated. My husband who is not a practicing Christian and was opposed to homeschooling and Christian education has completely changed his mind. He would disown our children if they were to put our grandchildren in public school.
I went to public schools and was never introduced to the gospel until long after graduating. I went to what is known in our county as the "high school for rich and snobby kids" where education and athletics were very highly regarded and worn as accolades. The Christian students were ostracized as weirdos and outcasts and "bible/Jesus freaks". Not only was that harmful to the Christian students but also to anyone (like myself) who was curious or misunderstood the gospel. I think children starting homeschooling in masses would better help to reform the public schools more than anything. The schools lose funding when they lose students. They will stop with the nonsense communist curriculum if we band together and take our children out of the filth.
54:24 Homeschooling is for the common good. Release them into the world with good values. 56:25 Difference in learning 1:04:31 the reason for education
Thank you Allie! I agree wholeheartedly that education is not neutral. When my husband and I were looking to sending our boys to school we knew public education was not an option because of the world view they taught. I picked up the book, A Biblical Home Education by Ruth Beechick. Game changer! We chose homeschooling for our boys for one simple reason, discipleship. It gave us more time to do just that. Now 10+ years later we are still homeschooling. What a blessing! I am so thankful day in and out that God has led us down this road. Oh the conversations we would have missed out on! To have this amount of time with our boys and the opportunity to raise them, by the grace of God, to know and love Jesus....and to stand for truth, even when those around them stand in opposition. They are not unique as their homeschooling peers are similar. A true blessing!
She says, she knows what is and isn't being taught in her kids public schools. Really? Is she listening in to all their classes? Certainly she must be aware that teachers and administrators have lied and covered up so parents were unaware of what they were teaching in public schools. I was public schooled in the 60s and 70s in a conservative state. As a child from a Christian home, I felt constantly bombarded with atheism. I knew the truth, but I was afraid to speak up. I was a shy person. I homeschooled my own five children in the 80s and 90s because I wanted them to have a Christian based education. There was a couple in our church that said they were committed to public schooling their children so that they could have an influence on others. She said this to me because I was often saying, "another good reason to homeschool" whenever there was a school shooting, molestation of a student by a teacher, etc. in the news. At one point she was requesting parents at her school get together to discuss safety issues to prevent school shootings. I wanted to quote to her the verse, (loosely quoted) "Don't fear the one who can kill the body, but fear the one who can destroy the soul in hell." Those who can destroy your kids' souls are a far worse threat in my opinion. I believe God brought about homeschooling just in a time when Christian parents needed an option other than public schools and maybe couldn't afford a Christian school.
You can never be absolutely sure whether bad/sexual things are being taught in your classroom unless you're sitting there all day long. If teachers don't want you to know what they're teaching, they're not going to teach it in front of you. I know SOME classrooms are not teaching it because my husband is a teacher and he refuses to teach that garbage so his classroom this year is safe from that, however, what about next year...whole new teacher. Do you personally know every teacher in your school and their testimony and all their beliefs? Another thing is that it doesn't matter if a school apologizes for something their kid was exposed to by accident or on purpose--once a kid sees or learns something it can't be unseen or unlearned. Thank you Allie for the point about God being taught daily...that is def not taught in public schools at least. That is something that will probably never be taught again in public schools so there's no convincing me to take my kids back. If you try to teach them Bible at the end of a very long tired day, it;s not going to go well. It's so good to be in the company of someone who understands how important a Biblical education is. As far as diversity...go outside...you live near the same people you'd be going to public school with.
We homeschooled our kids for 16 years and then put them into public school about 3 years ago. For us, it was one of the worst decisions we ever made. I'm sure our experience doesn't reflect all public schools, but it was disastrous for us. Kids there are sharing nude photos during school, paying for sexual favors in the bathrooms, and demonize Christianity as early as 4th grade. Kids are openly talking about their sexual experiences right in class. Young boys are sharing nude photos with everyone on Snapchat and it isn't traceable. So, nobody gets into trouble. My kids were bombarded daily above measure. My kids went in equipped, but it didn't matter
My children also are grown , all close to 30 yrs. I also would have held a very similar opinion as Jen were i not now working as a contracted therapist in a public school. My husband and i are now strongly urging our children ro send their children to a private or home school. - and if the LORD wills it, we will help them fund that choice. What i see and hear from elementary school children today is sad- and my job as a mental health therapist who is also a christian is becoming more difficult to reconcile each day.
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I was homeschooled, private schooled and public schooled. Public school was KEY in my straying from God. It was hard to be a Christian, I was not ready as a child to face the persecution. I graduated TEN years ago!! I can’t even imagine the difficulties now. Respectfully, Jens outlooks are outdated and not applicable anymore. Things have changed. As young Christian parents, we will not surrender or gamble the souls of our children.
AMEN!
Agree 💯💯💯💯💯
But, on the other side, both my husband and I were Christian kids in public school, and we both stayed in the faith, but we knew many homeschooled kids near us, and every single one of them strayed and went in the complete opposite direction.
There is a study that the University of Notre Dame did called “Good Soil.” This study is based on the kinds of education that Christian children have had and the fruit of their education. The study shows that in their Christian commitment children that graduate from public school are in the negative in their outcome, while all the Christian education options were in the positive by at least 20 points, some with at least 40 points.
I’m glad that you and your husband stayed in your faith. I also went to public school and I stayed in my faith, but we are not the rule. All subjects even English and math, are taught from a secular worldview that without even knowing that is happening we internalize.
Like Allie said, the perfect kind of education doesn’t exists, but we are told in the Bible by Paul to bring up our children in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. 40 hours at a public school learning all subject from a worldview that is against the knowledge of God will not accomplishing this.
The purpose of education is to teach children how to be men and women. What kind of men and women would be more beneficial for our society? The kind that believes that thereis no purpose to life, or the kind that has a standard for believing that all human beings have value because they were made in the image of God.
God bless you! It is not fair to sacrifice our kids on the front lines. They're not old enough. Their minds are still forming. Let young adults, maybe in college, but even then, they need to be unusually mature , to be able to combat the absolutely insane "teaching"
So well said! My parents were Christians and I went to the public school. They tried to train me but very little time did they have with me, especially by junior high and high school. By my senior year, I hated God. Any and everything in school lead me away from Christ. After much depression for many years, I finally turned my life back to Christ. 20 years down the road since my senior year, and I’m now a mom of 3. I can’t imagine putting my children through the school system. I homeschool and do all I can to point our life to God’s Word. He leads us!
Praise God!
i just want to socialize i feel alone at home just with my parents i think i’m some way it’s good to expand you just need to be a strong vessel
@@vanessacolongarcia2464 the homeschoolers in our community socialize a lot both with peers and other ages of people. Do you have a church group? Could you volunteer somewhere? Join a sporting club or a book club? Activities at the local library? Lots of opportunities out there. Share your desires with your parents also!
The schools I went to was in a conservative area so most people “believed” in God. My mom just retired from the same district and I would never put my kids in them. The community in general is more secular and just different than 25 years ago.
@@nparksntx I hear ya Nicole! It's sooo sad!!!!
We homeschool, and I've heard so many parents tell me they cant homeschool simply because they CANT STAND the though of having to be at home with their kids all day.... and it's one of the most heartbreaking things to hear...
I think this is going to depend on your kids. Some people have kids with intense physical needs, autism, adhd etc and the respite is necessary
And some moms just like to work and not be home with the children because it’s easier.. It’s very sad if you have the option to be the one who raises your children..
I’ve had relatives say the same things to me. I actually love being around my kids and being home with them.
I agree 100, I hear that all the time and I also think is sad. Funny thing, that’s why I started homeschooling bc I wanted to be with my kids. The great things that came with it it’s a bonus! ☺️
@Beastbombshell well WHY ? then, if it's not that reason
I was a liberal Jewish career mom until 2020. Found Jesus, kept my kids home, and there's NO WAY I'm going back to hauling my kids off to Caesar daily. My youngest two will also be home with me until they go into dual enrollment in college courses in high school. There's absolutely no way you can compete with the influence given by an atheistic public school system. Homeschooling doesn't mean sitting alone all day every day - it's an incredible experience, rich with relationships and exploration. I refuse to let my children be institutionalized by the government.
Amen, Sister! 👏🙏🙌
God Bless you and your family. Remain faithful and hopeful....even on the days I wasn't sure our son would be qualified to push a broom at McDonald's! All worked out beautifully! 21 year old young man who loved God and is making his own way into adulthood. Best choice to hs him before 8th grade!
May God bless you!! What an amazing testimony - Glory to God!
Praise God! That’s awesome
Amen
👏🏻 Thank you for standing up for homeschooling families, Allie!!! 👏🏻
Do not send them to public school. I’m a former school teacher turned homeschool mom - then single mom. God made a way for me to continue to homeschooled them all the way through high school. You can do it! You should do it!
i would NEVER homeschool my kids.... But im not a religious nut
I was homeschooled myself, my mother was far from perfect, she suffered from mental health issues her whole life, but I am so grateful she homeschooled me and my siblings. We all graduated college before age 20 and we are all walking with God, healthy marriages, etc. I am now homeschooling my kids and I love it. They are already ahead of their peers, so worth it
Hi my sister in Christ are you homeschooling with permission from public school, or just home schooling thanks
@@christinestumpf10 my state requires notification of the school district, but not permission, you cannot be denied, but you have to inform them.
Thank you Jesus. This gives me hope.
Yes yes yes!! 👏👏👏
Homeschooling is NOT selfish, it’s the exact opposite. The sacrifices we have made (money, time, status, freedom, relationships) in order to homeschool are extensive. Homeschooling your kids is the least selfish thing you can do.
As a homeschool parent the "loving your community" part definitely made me roll my eyes. I can tell you 100% that if I did what I wanted to do it would be much much easier to send them off to public/private schools. But putting these little "others" before myself is much more important to me! God called me to it and I know that some teachers feel the same way about their jobs. Both can be true.
Yes ma'am!
I agree. You can be in the public school setting and not reaching out to the community at all. You can be in the home school setting and reach out and impact your community. Just being in a public school doesn’t automatically make you intentional!
Truth!!! It would be easy to go after what I want in life and out my kids in school. Instead, I sacrifice myself and my wants to ensure my kids get the best upbringing with wonderful Christian values and that they know the Lord and have a great relationship with him.
Exactly! As a parent, I am called to Protect my little ones, not worry about not offending those around me
No disrespect intended, but Jen doesn’t really have a dog in the fight. The world isn’t what it was even a decade ago. She can say whatever she wants, but she doesn’t have to worry about the school counselor offering her adult children puberty blockers. I’m not playing roulette with my kiddos. Even if they weren’t being indoctrinated by the curriculum/teachers, they would learn all sorts of garbage from their peers. They are still young and impressionable.
My daughter was in public school for one semester. The amount of garbage is truly unbelievable.
Agreed! Her kids aren’t in the system anymore. It has drastically changed.
Exactly!
She does have a dog in the fight and I will tell you how. She gave herself away. She rattled off a list of family members that work for the public school. She knows every student they lose, The school will be out tens of thousands of dollars a year From the government.
As a mom of 4, my oldest will be graduating this year. The best thing I ever did was decide when she was 5 that I would homeschool. I didn't even have long term plans or thoroughly thought out reasons, just saw my little child and couldn't imagine sending her away from me all day. I stood my ground when she was begging to go to public school in her HS years. Her father was also siding with her. Now knowing what all is going on, the curriculum etc I am solid in my decision. I love just hanging out in bed in the AM reading with my 2 youngest. Those moments learning and bonding I'll always cherish and now my oldest says she will homeschool her kids too. I love being the matriarch of a new way of parenting, living out our Christian faith, taking back our God-given sovereignty, getting out of the system, teaching my kids about holistic health.
This!!! I'm welcoming my first in the next few weeks and we have already decided we will be homeschooling!
@@maisg3513 Congrats! Enjoy every moment. It does go by in a blink. 🥰
I went to Public school and private school. I am now homeschooling my 4 children. I find it interesting that she wants her kids to be in the community so she sends them to school but doesn’t get them involved in extra curricular activities so the family has time together. We are opposite. We have all day everyday with each other. The kids go shopping with me, play with neighborhood kids, have get togethers with other homeschoolers (we are on an area of many), and they are involved in sports, and church events. I don’t understand how going to school equates to being involved in the community? I would say my kids are more involved in community by having the time to participate in these different events and explore more things.
This is our experience as well. It's been great.
This is exactly what my sister-in-law is doing with her 5 children. We're planning on doing the same when our kids are of age.
My son was going to a private Christian school. We moved in the middle of the year and I could not get him enrolled in another one until the Fall so I put him in public school. Today he said “They don’t teach us about God here. I miss learning about God.” It broke me. I’m strongly considering pulling him out and homeschooling him.
homeschooling is by FAR the best parenting decision i've ever ever made!! It's amazing, it's a miracle, it's hard, and it is SOOOOO worth every minute of hardship and prayer
I was in a public high school (the best in our area and considered conservative) when I decided I was NOT going to put my children in one!
Jen said, "I know what our school district is and isn't teaching." I'm guessing what she means is that she knows what curriculum they are using. I am a homeschool teacher. Do I only ever read from the curriculum? Do these teachers never share their opinions in class? Do they not supplement with their own resources? I do not think anyone can assert that they know what is taught and not taught in every single classroom.
Yes. She’s being extremely naive about this. Seen it time after time. They all say “but our public school isn’t like that!” They never are like that…until they are.
@Bethany Peters
Not only that, but the entire curriculum is devoid of Christianity and actually all from an atheist, evolutionary worldview BY LAW.
@@lauraandrews1676 Yes, you are right! There is no such thing as neutral education. It either glorifies man or God. I went to public school K-12th and now homeschool my children and it has been such a delight to relearn everything from a God-centered, instead of man-centered worldview. We are reading through the Bible together and discussing it every day, recognizing God's sovereignty and providence through history and testing man's actions against Scripture, seeing and recognizing God's handiwork and intricate design in science, etc. I love it and I believe it is so important for children to learn that this is truly their Father's world, like that hymn Allie referenced.
Exactly, the curriculum at my high school was decent, but I was also introduced to R-rated movies in Social studies classes
I don't think she realizes how difficult it is to be involved now. They aren't teaching from textbooks. They are teaching a lot online and you don't actually see a large chunk of it.
I was public schooled k-8 (in the 1980s and 90s) and I was not a strong enough Christian to come through that without major battle scars spiritually speaking. I started 9th grade in a Christian school which my parents sacrificed SO much for and within months I had rededicated my life to Jesus and started seeing the sanctification of the Holy Soirit in every aspect of my life. My husband and I have chosen homeschooling for our kids and it is a challenge worth taking on! Our elementary girls have been able to share their faith at the playground because of the rich biblical discipleship and opportunities they have recieved at home. What an honor to witness that! That is my testimony!
I had unexpected chill bumps as I listened to Ally’s testimony of her own education growing up. I was given the same gift for most of my years and I cherish that education. Like hers, mine was not perfect but I’m so grateful for the Christian teachers and curriculum. I apply that knowledge daily!! If at all possible, and in most cases it is possible, homeschool your kids!
So they can believe that magic is real? So they can believe that the unicorns in the bible exist? 😒
Allie, I’m so embarrassed. I just realized I misspelled your name before. Clear as day. 🙄
I have several family members and family friends that are public school teachers. Most of them have encouraged me to homeschool. Many of them say that if they had children now, they would not put them in public school. That’s telling!!
I teach at a very conservative charter school. Almost every staff member is a Christian. We aren't allowed to teach the bible, but we teach the classics and so virtue, Truth goodness, etc. My youngest is with me at this school, but I watch everything very closely as we are still under the thumb of the government. One false move and she and I are out and I'll homeschool. I would absolutely never (unless called) teach at a public school nor place my child in one. 10-15 years ago they weren't great, and we never sent our older children to secular colleges because they were so depraved. But now it's k-12 that has become just as crazy and I think the time for allowing our children to be in those environments has long passed.
After being an educator for fifteen years, I can say that every school district teaches things that should not be taught to our children. I had so many concerns and I had to step down from education. Three years ago we decided to homeschool our children. Best decision we have made! We forget that all school districts are controlled by the government and funded by it. The funding controls everything! It controls the curriculum, salaries, board and so much more.
Allie, I was a public school teacher 30+ years ago and bc of my experience there, I decided to homeschool my kids (which turned out to be 6, including a son with Down’s). I’ve also tutored/coached kids and parents with kids who have learning disabilities of all levels. So, I can say I’d classify myself as a homeschool vet. 😉. This episode is one of your best! Well done!
Did you get push back from pediatricians and other people in similar positions to send you child to public school? I have a child with autism and i am currently homeschool and every therapist and pediatrician makes me feel like a horrible parents for not wanting my child in public school. I tried it for one year and it was aweful. Teacher and doctors were pushing for medication.
@@nj8215this makes me roll my eyes so hard. So sorry that you are going through that. And so ignorant of those doctors to not think that if you need to, you could hire someone who is specialized in special needs. And that could be even better! Because they ratio would be 1:1 and not 6:1, or however the school system lays it out. Stay strong, don't let them push you around!
Do you have advice for parents who are homeschooling children with disabilities
Our daughter was homeschooled, public schooled and Christian schooled. I thought I knew what was going on in her public school, I was on the PTA, I volunteered in the school multiple times a week. I knew most of the teachers personally and all of them by name. I knew all of the parents (I had the ladies for coffee often, etc.) of the kids in her class. I talked with all of the staff often. I figured I was pretty informed..YIKES was I wrong. We (as a PTA) had a woman that wanted to come in and talk to all of the kids. She was a child specialist of some sort...all of the letters behind her name. She talked to any of the parents that wanted to hear what she was going to say, this impressed me. She seemed honest, a quiet little lady. Well, when she had the primary kids (all of us parents were there as well), she asked the kids to come and lay on mats in front of her and away from the parents...RED LIGHTS blaring at this point. Her talk was going to be on personal space, finding things in the playground or out for walks and to talk to parents before touching...and a bunch of other really good things, this is what she explained to us. I would also like to say this was OVER 30 YEARS AGO. She then showed how to put a condom on, what periods were about, what sex was about..etc....etc... Our daughter was so busy goofing off that she wasn't paying attention (I watched her closely and would have grabbed her if she was listening). None of the kids were listening, they were just playing around. Why did we stay? I wanted to have the info in case this became a big deal as we as the PTA had hired this woman, I also wanted to be prepared in case our daughter's friends brought things up with her. I questioned our daughter on the way home as well as for a few days afterwards, but she hadn't been listening. I thank God for this every time I think about this. Our daughter was in kindergarten. The next years was spent in a private school/homeschooled, where she stayed until grade 10 and then when I knew she was prepared, she went back to public school. Again...I did my research and her final 4 years were great. Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to point out that just because you are told something, just because you believe something...it doesn't necessarily mean that is what is actually happening.
Oh my goodness, that is horrific. Thank you for sharing
I am wondering how a person who no longer has children in public school can speak with any authority? Schools have changed DRAMATICALLY in the past 5 years.
Attend any public events being held. Homecoming parades, graduations, food drives, football games, Christmas musicals, Spring festivals, dinners held to raise money, etc. Most things are visually obvious. Ask questions if you have the courage.
You can still go to school board meetings. Even community and town meetings can give you an idea of what's going on.
Just being involved in these community events once in a while gives you enough authority to speak out publicly.
@jacqulineard...I understand what you are saying - all good ideas - but I mean how can this mother still consider herself qualified to speak on benefits of public school as she has NO idea what is actually happening in classrooms.
A debate between Jen Wilkin and Heidi St John on this topic would be a good one. 🍿
I’d pay good money for that!
Yessssss!!! 🔥🙌
What a great idea!! 😍🎉
Yes!
I sent my oldest daughter to Christian School when she was younger. She met some of the most unloving, manipulative troubled children there who made her life a living Hell. I was so saddened by the event. I later found out that many parents whose children were problematic and bullies in the public schools were sending their children to the Christian schools in the hopes of bettering them, and those kids brought their issues with them. I also felt that some of the teachers snubbed parents like me who did not have the extra money and time to show our generosity. One of my daughters ended up getting assaulted during her time in public school. It was difficult navigating all the sexual moral trash coming their way. I have a granddaughter now, and with what's going on at the public schools, I would love for her to go to Christian school if it is affordable. However, having done it both ways, parents have to do their research. Church is not necessarily a morally safe place anymore, and that's sad.
100% agreed. The instituition itself may have good bases, however even some people that work in there may agree with 'progressive' ideals and likewise they bring it into the church, they also do it into christian schools, affecting kid and teens perceptions daily. I've seen Catholic school teacher mocking students that defend Creationism, I've also heard about many problematic scenarios inside Adventist Schools, simply because kids are out of control or because too many progressive artists and teachers get involved within the instituition and have simply dominated spaces. I had never admitted home schooling as a real thing until I entered adulthood and saw the hell the world is in.
:( I'm sorry you had tough [terrible, really] experiences with both experiences.
Yeah, my dad said that happened when he was a kid too - problem kids from public schools were sent to private Christian schools.
My parents opted to homeschool my siblings and me.
Yup! I can attest to this! We are going to homeschool for that reason
my sister went to a private christian high school and had a similar experience. some of the kids were just as bad as the public school kids. very disappointing because we thought they would be really good kids from good homes.
My kids go to a private school. They've had a great experience. Not a perfect one, but they're thriving and having fun.
Long story short, homeschool just wasn't right for us. We tried it for 5 years and it ended up being more of a harm than an asset to our kids.
My daughter was bullied by two HOMESCHOOL friends. Both in person and online. We had to cut ties with them. Their parents couldn't endure hearing that their christian-kids might be the bullies. For my daughter's sake, I just didn't have the luxury of allowing the toxic friendship to keep going.
I just finished selecting and buying the homeschool curriculum for next year, my daughter’s 11th grade; about $650. I think MOST of families in America can afford that.
The money is not the biggest sacrifice for homeschooling; the time is. Sadly so many Christian parents don’t want to sacrifice their time..
Not to mention, there are TONS of free resources for curriculums. We are doing Ambleside Online and supplementing some purchased curriculum. I agree that money isn’t a barrier that some think it is
It is a sacrifice to only have one income, but I would spend any sum of money to have this time with my kids!
We spend about 1,000$ per child (I have 3 kids) and it's STILL worth every cent to me. You don't have to go this route you can homeschool for nearly free these days. Peace of mind is priceless to me 💗
The Well Educated Heart is my FAVORITE free resource!! The Catch the Vision Course is so inspiring!!
If you have children in middle school or younger it also means one parent has to be home full time- which means sacrificing a second income. For our family that means we are giving up 60 and up 90k so that I can be home full time. It’s definitely worth it but it’s not cheap!
If your children grow up and don’t become believers, how is that helping anyone? We homeschooled and all of our kids are believers, went to college and have jobs where they are impacting their community. Especially when they are young, it is our job to protect them and bring them up in the training and instruction of the e Lord.
Homeschooling, of course, doesn't automatically ensure that any child will become a believer.
I know MANY homeschooled kids who grew up and went WAY in the other direction.
@@lowellheinrichs4697 I bet statistically the number of believers would be much higher in the home schooled population.
@@erikastanger7848 of course, but I’m sure the statistics would say a much higher number of believers over all.
@@erikastanger7848 that is so true, my kids included. Yet it is not an excuse for parents to hand them over to the system. I will never regret sending our kids to Christian schools. It was a convicted and prayerful decision with much financial stress. Though not all our four children currently live for Christ, I trust in Gods providence and timing to call them to Himself.
We homeschool our kids ages 15,13,10,8 and 6. I cannot imagine any other way with my kids- they have never been in school. I feel so blessed to truly know them the way that only homeschool allows. When people send their kids away for the whole day, they are giving up so much. We have been given such a profoundly impactful role as parents and homeschool only deepens that.
I suffered bullying, criticism, and rejection from my peers (and some teachers!) in the public schools. As a sensitive child, I found the institutional setting soul killing. Boredom and lack of stimulation marked my days. My K-12 experience was like a sentence to be served.
I am grateful that I got through it without a single thought of self-harm but many children in recent decades do not. Not only do they have thoughts of self-harm because of daily, unrelenting negative experiences in public school, they act upon them. When children today are bullied and ask for help, the adults around them seem impotent to help. When children realize that no one is going to rescue them, increasing numbers act with tragic, permanent outcomes!
Parents deceive themselves if they think they know all that is going on in their children's hearts and minds as their children navigate their days through the public schools. Too, it is folly to think that a heart-to-heart conversation is somehow a cure-all for the things with which they are confronted and exposed.
Parents are tasked with providing for their children's welfare in every way--body, soul, and spirit. Conscientious parents can provide for their children's needs, including a quality education that addresses every aspect of their children's beings, in their homes.
If Jen was talking about sending kids to a tuition-free classical charter school her points may be valid. I pulled my kids from a public school that is rated “excellent.” In second grade the counselor came to their classroom for a lesson about following your heart. My son said he thinks we should follow Jesus that our hearts are deceitful above all else. He was told they aren’t allowed to talk about that in school. He’s now in sixth grade at a classical school. The district public school now hands out LGBTQ flags to kindergartners on the welcome day. I’m so grateful I pulled them!
As great as homeschooling is, we must always remember that we can't give our kids a sinless, perfectly explained and exampled upbringing. We CAN give them a consistent, explicit theology of God, humanity, sin, and life. It will come out in little pieces as you diligently teach them at the dinner table, in the car, and at bedtime. And parents who do send their child to public school can still do that. God is merciful and just to all. These teaching moments come out most naturally when you personally prioritize seeking God's face. So whether God leads you to public, private, or homeschool, He can still work for good in the lives of those who love Him.
I myself am a product of a public school education. My parents took me and my siblings out of a sound Christian private school because it got too expensive. However, they still made it a priority to integrate theology and biblical discipleship in everything. God gets great glory from making us prosper in a setting deemed unlikely. A successful, properly educated child isn’t made solely at homeschool or private school, but is a result of parents who diligently and consistently brought up their child in the Word of God, with love, on a daily basis.
This!!!
But, statistically speaking, this model isn’t working out very well. More and more children are atheist, trans, and virulently anti-Christian. You are the exception. We need a system that works much much better so that our country isn’t just treading water: it’s succeeding. I am a public school graduate and even in a small conservative community it was miserable without God day in and day out, feeling hopeless and depressed, without being able to speak of God or pray. I vowed I wouldn’t put my children through this same torture and have been able to so far, avoid public school.
@@mrs.b3902 I completely understand what you’re saying! My point was that parents need to make discipleship apart of the child’s everyday life. School should not be the only place where God is emphasized. He needs to be in all parts of the child’s life. That’s how they will have an authentic faith and grow to be devout believers. Homeschool is not the only place where devout believers are formed. Wherever God leads you to place your kids, do it! Some parents have the means to homeschool, and some don’t. But school choice is not a sin issue. God gives us wisdom and discernment with how to move about it for our particular situation. It will look differently for everyone.
@@Coilyhairedgirly but, to push back a little, if we are failing so drastically, aren’t we called to provide a different model? I’m not saying it has to be homeschooling, I’m saying it could be a 3 day a week full time homeschool co op, a 5 day a week private low cost school, other options. I think we are called to change, and to share God each day, and not separate him out so the majority of our children’s formative years is without God (7 hours a day plus, five days a week, for 9 months a year). We can and should strive to do better and teach children in a way that connects God to education. There is a war, and we need all hands on deck. Certainly school is not the only place where God is emphasized but it is perhaps the biggest area of our children’s time and therefore, life all the way up through their early 20s. So, it should be the most important place where God is emphasized IMHO bc every thing, everything points to God.
@@mrs.b3902 I am by no means claiming that God should not be a part of school. Like I said before, He should be emphasized in ALL parts of life. But speaking in terms of biblical prophecy, we know that the world will continue to move further and further apart from God (Matthew 24:10-12). This IS going to happen as we are in the last days. So yes, we can strive towards a better way, but at the end of the day, we need to remember that God’s will is sovereign over our own desires. This battle isn’t against flesh and blood, but principalities and power (Ephesians 6:12) and we are in this world, but not of it (John 17:14-16). This is Satan’s world, so people in darkness are going to continue doing what they do and have no respect for God or the things of God. That’s why public schools are becoming increasingly worse and worse.
For some families who literally cannot afford to homeschool their kids because they have to be outside the home to work and pay bills, homeschool is not an option. I come across of a lot of well-meaning believers who desire to homeschool or put their children in private school, but don’t have the means to do it. So for those families, their kids have to go to public school. And in this case, if the child is being properly discipled at home, imagine what a light they would be at school? Especially for other kids who don’t know God? God gets so much glory when a child of his shares and lives out the gospel in that type of worldly setting. Think of so many other people in the Bible who were used for God’s glory in a godless society: Daniel in Babylon, Joseph in Egypt, Paul in Roman prison, and so many more! God knows we all want to protect our kids, and He does too! I believe with all my heart, that He provides abundant grace, mercy, and protection for believers in this situation.
Thank you for not shying away from having the difficult discussions and debates. This is why I watch your channel. Please continue navigating these difficult topics with such tact, grace, and fact!
The thing is, I always hear Christian parents use the argument that their children will be salt and light and evangelize in schools. However, not only is this extremely rare (I only knew one girl who faithfully did this in high school out of the entire student body), but I almost never see parents out evangelizing with their children in ANY other sphere. And by almost never, I mean never, I’m just trying to give the benefit of the doubt. Why the push for evangelism from children inside these super worldly places, and yet little no no evangelism anywhere else, including the parents? In fact, I would go evangelizing and was consistently turned down when I invited others to go. Seems very inconsistent and just a smoke screen, in my opinion.
Good point!
Sending children into war. It's not logical or okay. Prepare them to fight like lions when they are grown! That preparation happens at home, not at the battle front. You're so right
My friends all knew I was a Christian when I was in school. My mother brought many of them to Bible club and some of them were saved. But my brother was pretty much lost in the process
It's laziness, selfishness, and apathy mixed with a heaping helping of denial and willful ignorance.
And yes, I will stand by that statement.
You might as well throw your child into a sewage pit as send them to public school or secular private school (and most Christian schools are only marginally better).
It is worth nothing that Jen did not make that her point. She even spoke against that line of arguing. Just for clarification.
Great job discussing this Allie! I completely agree with you.
My two boys spent their first years in public school (oldest to grade 5, youngest grade 3) as I was pretty much a nominal Christian and didn’t give it much thought.
Enter Covid…God used that to “wake me up” and I now have a robust faith that impacts every single area of my life. I’ve homeschooled for 2 years now and it’s been really great. My boys are happier than ever and everything we learn is steeped in God’s word. It’s been such a blessing to our family.
I honestly think we need to dig deeper into “Christian” schools. I’m in Canada and they are 80% funded by the government. I’m sorry but that’s public school that you pay for out of pocket. I have not heard great things about our local Christian school and the children who attend there are just as worldly as the public school kids. They’re just better dressed and go to church most Sundays.
I believe it’s homeschool or classical Christian school going forward. We can’t rely on Christian schools who take the State’s money to properly disciple our kids. They’re compromised.
Your testimony sounds almost exactly like mine!! Nominal/coasting/apathetic Christian…2 oldest kids in public school…me: ”I’ll NEVER homeschool”…cue Covid and everything changed. My eyes were opened, God shook me awake and spurred me on to a truer, deeper faith, and He changed my heart 180 about homeschooling. My positive “whys” were so much greater than my fears! We’re on our second year homeschooling and all of us couldn’t imagine it any other way. It’s the best 😭❤️
@@kimberlymurray304 that’s amazing!! God bless 😄
My husband and I both were in public education for all of school and we assumed we’d do the same for our kids. Over the past year God made it very obvious that we would be looking at other avenues for educating our kids. My special needs son is currently at public school for preschool but if God wills we will be pulling him out of there and either homeschooling him along with my daughter or we’ll enroll him in special needs private education. Leaning heavily on the Lord for His will to be done as every parent making this decision should! Thank you Allie for speaking on this.
Philippians 2 is about esteeming _fellow Christians_ as better than self, not the secular community.
AMEN
I never dreamed I would be homeschooling.... my son will start kindergarten this year and we will be homeschooling. We're making sacrifices... my husband will be working part time and teaching the days he's off work. I'll be teaching the days I'm off work. We know in our hearts God wants us to protect our child's innocence and right now this is the best we can do for him! We're putting our child 1st. We will make a great effort and with the Lord's direction to make sure he is well rounded. I'm just not willing to put him in public school and just see what happens. Wait until an incident happens to pull him out and it maybe too late. It's irrelevant to me if it's in our local schools curriculum YET or not... it's only a matter of time. One of my friends have kids in Christian school and she says she's had several instances her kids have encountered LGBTQ ideas (by students not teachers) bc of parents sending to Christian schools that aren't christ centered bc parents want another option other than public school.... our child is once of our greatest gifts and responsibilities. We take that very seriously.
I'm a single mom with a homeschooler. She goes to an online Christian academy; Northstar Academy. Prior to that, I sent her to an in person private school.
I am having so much fun homeschooling my kids, I can't believe I am this blessed. ❤
I truly believe any mom who isn't is missing out on the best years of her life with her children.
I don’t care that this was a long episode because it had such good points. It helped put some things into perspective for me. And Voddie’s quote about Caesar, wow! That was convicting.
Everyone talks about not all parents being in a situation where they can send their kids to a Christian school. Honestly, I don’t have the time to send my kids to a public school. My husband and I are as involved as we can be, but we don’t have the time to helicopter over the curriculum, attend every school board meeting, & read between the lines of everything we know are purposefully being kept from parents in the public school system. Sending our kids to a well-researched Christian school allows us the time to maintain a reasonable overview of our kids’ curriculum with the added comfort of every teacher maintaining & teaching from the same Biblical worldview we have. Instead of school board meetings, we get to enjoy going to biblical programs put on by the students throughout the year, & grow in our relationships with fellow believers (parents of other children there, some who also attend our church). For an active Christian, a true believer & follower of Christ, having a Christian education environment for your kids should naturally fit into your life.
Wow, a lot of truth.
I homeschooled my 5 children and am currently homeschooling 4 grandchildren, ages 4- 10.
We open with a word of prayer, and the 2 oldest have memorized Psalm 1.
They have memorized a lot of Bible songs and blessed our home fellowship with their talents.
I'm so grateful that I have this opportunity as an older woman to speak into their lives each day that they are in our home.
There are days that frustration is very present, but at the end of the school day , they give me a big hug and tell me they love me!
It's a blessing that money can't buy!
I often think of the verse that speaks about offending a little one.
Also, putting a stumbling block in front of someone.
We need to pray for each other.
Thank you for this podcast!
God Bless!
It is so wonderful what you are doing for your grandchildren! 💛 Have you heard of Josh Mulvihill and his books on Biblical grand-parenting? Sounds like you are living that out!
@@kimberlymurray304 Thank you. I count it a privilege to speak in their lives every school day.
Their parents have a home business across the lawn.
We are very close!
I'm so grateful we see eye to eye on most matters.
Thank you for your kind words!🥰
'Your children ARE "others."' - Allie B. Stuckey
Yes. 🔥🔥🔥
Yes!!! That’s what I was thinking too!!
We have homeschooled our four children using a Christian curriculum from the beginning. Our oldest son graduates this year and our youngest son started this year. Absolutely no regrets!!
Which curriculum do you use?
@@heathermichelle377 we use a variety. I really like The Good and the Beautiful, MasterBooks, and Teaching Textbooks for math.
I love this so much! Thank you for NOT cutting this episode short!
Your rant at the beginning is literally describing my step mom. It’s nearly impossible to have a Christian based conversation with her, or for that matter say anything at all. It’s like she had decided that whatever I say she must have an opposing opinion because we’re on ‘opposite political sides’. It’s so heartbreaking
I grew up in public school and while I was definitely a rocky experience, I do believe my generation had a great experience. We live in a small town in Alabama and the closest private school was about an hour away. My parents both worked and honestly neither of them would have been cut out to homeschool me. Public school was a great option and opportunity for me. I was president of my FCCLA chapter, a school rep, and my yearbook editor. My husband and I met in 10th grade and our school provided incredible opportunities for him. He graduated salutatorian, got a full ride for undergrad, and went on to medical school, etc. We had a wholesome childhood and are so grateful. But this was because we were in a small town. We went to church with most of our teachers and knew them like family outside of school. Now we live in a more populated town a few hours away and we are praying that our son gets into a private Christian school. We toured all the schools in our area and our public school was nothing like how we grew up. Nothing decorating the halls, no playground, no recess, no talking during lunch, no talking in the hallways, no family events… it felt like a cold, sterile environment. Not somewhere nurturing and inspiring. When we walked into the smaller Christian schools my husband and I looked at each other and immediately thought, “this feels just like our childhood”. My elementary teachers were amazing. I still remember their names, their fun classrooms, and how I always felt so welcomed and encouraged in their classrooms. Now it’s all about academics and testing. We need change in our public schools.
I agree completely with all you say here. I was raised in a Catholic family that included exactly ZERO bible study. Teens through early adult I was an agnostic. Not actually an atheist, I just never thought of God at all, whether He existed or not was not in my thoughts. Only at 30 something did I finally see the Truth, and was born again. The lack of a bible based home and school life was a terrible defect in my life, I believe. And I had no control over that, I was the child. Nothing is more important in family life than raising kids up in the faith. Public school in general is at the very least antithetical to that, and often virulently and hatefully opposed to it.
This was great, thank you! We have homeschooled for over 20 years. It has been difficult but worth any sacrifice that it has required.
Any recommendation for home schoo I l 12 grade ,takes some 11th and 12 TH grade classes
Don't apologize for how long this was. You kept it moving, and there was just SO much that it could have gone for another half hour and you would have kept my interest. Great job!
I loved how you spoke on this issue. Churches are too afraid to talk about this.
No. Please, Christians, wake up. Public school is not an option for your kids.
I'm a Christian in public school. May I share my experience?
Are you a child or an adult?
@@mamimalista7924 Child
Public schools have gone down the drain in California. I have friends that tell me , these schools dont learn science, math or evolution!!!!!!! Yeah go figure. My kids learned it all including the fairy tale of evolution. We must learn about both sides of the theory of evolution which Darwin could never prove.
Yup unfortunately public schools are not safe or teaching anything worthwhile, unless your child is in an advanced program which all areas dont have
Thank you Allie Beth, you are spot on! I’ve been researching Jen Wilkin. From what I have seen, Jen Wilkin’s actual curriculum is biblically sound, but through her public comments, she is walking the line to enter into feminism. I believe that she writes curriculum that is used to teach men, so does that mean she is teaching men? Also, the pastor of her home church, Matt Chandler, is sympathetic to social Justice. She not only sits under his teaching, but holds a position in The Village Church. In my opinion, her comparison of a woman’s minstrel cycle to identifying with Christ’s blood on the cross, was a ridiculous stretch. I am a very long time Christian, and I’ve seen many things come and go. I believe that our responsibility, as followers of Christ, is to be discerning, to protect the integrity of the Gospel. My belief is that Social Justice, is not a biblical concept. It is just another false belief that is trying to be added to the gospel. The Word of God is truth, and it is sufficient. My personal decision is to not sit under the teaching of Jen Wilkin. I don’t respect her as an authority in matters of Christian living, in fact the more I hear Wilkin’s comments, the less I trust her.
PS My children went to public school, private school, and were home schooled. When we started homeschooling it was because my child needed special attention, and we were concerned about the non- Christian environment of public schools. The public school environment of today, is generally far more toxic than it was in 1983. The general world view is secular to the core. I don’t believe that you send children into a war, if you have another choice. Parents be vigilant!
We have our children in the Messianic school in Jerusalem, and my husband is a HS Principal at a Christian school, and I like to encourage everyone to always check into financial options before ruling it out based on the bottom line. There's often a lot more avenues for assistance than you realize. We've seen the Lord provide for ours and for others too.
Yep. I think Christian school is the best option. Homeschooling has its ugly pitfalls, too. And boys don't need to be staying home with their mommies during adolescence.
@@rdnugent1 We've seen research that shows private schools actually have the best academic and social outcomes when compared to public school and homeschooling. The only place homeschooling edged above the rest is in passing down values, but the researching wasn't evaluating only Christian private schools. Our schools have very much supported our values, and it's been helpful to be part of a community that shares our beliefs.
@@rdnugent1 But homeschooling isn’t some one size fits all though. You choose what your son does in adolescence, but let’s not act as if a teenage boy running around with other teenage boys is somehow better than with his mother. The father must be present, and that can or cannot happen in both situations.
Sure, but my comment isn't simply an either-or. Obviously, a boy running around with ANY other boys isn't always going to be better than being with his mother, just as a present father is certainly better than no father. My point is that if our jobs as mothers is to raise MEN, we have to realize that we don't get there by having them cooped up in the home with only their siblings as their friends and their mommy as their teacher. All throughout history, there is a point in time when a boy is being geared toward becoming a man, but from so much of my own observation, homeschooling often stunts this process. And I've seen it A LOT. And part of the problem is the mothers have their identities completely wrapped up in their son and the thought of him taking on any risk whatsoever causes her to be the juggernaut in him actually embracing manhood.
7:05 - That is why I love you and your show so much Allie! I know that you will let your listeners know what is and is not right, according to God's word. This show is SO refreshing! Thank you for always being honest, and staying true to your beliefs, while having grace for those who disagree in good faith. God bless you!
I went to a private Christian school through 6th grade 7-12 were public schools. I typically put my perspective as like this: My foundation of Christian education sharpened my sword, but my public education taught me how to wield it. I’m incredibly grateful for the education I have. I really switched into public schools at the best possible time in my life. I made a lot of mistakes, but God always used it to His glory. I also do not believe there is a “one size fits all answer for this.” For my kids, as young as they are, we have them in private school. I’d prefer not to put them in public school if I can at all help it, but if God calls us to trust Him and put our kids in public schools, I will.
I made the choice to switch because my kids should be learning MORE Bible in the 8 hours away from home. I don’t teach them enough Bible. We love our small private Christian school ❤️ we would be in public school if BIBLE was a subject. It’s a single issue for me just like in voting.
Amen! Shouldn’t Bible be our most important ‘subject’? Nothing else matters without Jesus!!
I was a public school student, became a second generation public school teacher and then a parent of public school children. I’ve personally experienced every socioeconomic class through this “educational” lens and found that all public schools have the same philosophy. It was once a neutered (not neutral) one-size-fits-all education and now it’s a Marxist one. If a parent sends their children to public school they need to know that this is the agenda: to promote activism. Our children attended the top school district in our state of NJ where there was recently a drag show for kids and currently hosts a LGBTQ after school club. Several former classmates of my kids have changed their gender and a couple of them are furries. We homeschool and plan on Classical Christian School for high school. There are so many opportunities today-like pod schools, online high schools, clubs-for parents to think outside of the box. The factory model of public school is outdated and this radical philosophy is actually hurting our communities.
I totally agree with you Allie. Train up your children, not sacrifice them for the "greater good". And when they are adults then they can fill positions of teaching, school board etc. And that's where they make a difference. I loved " not old enough to hold up a shield". You go girl! from Cin, 62.
28:30 is the start of the public school thing. Whew Allie can certainly talk…😂
So much yes. SO much yes.
Also, ya know how my homeschooling mom loved her neighbor? She homeschooled kids who were failing in public schools. FOR FREE. People in her community, her neighbors, who were struggling. She said, hey, you bring them here, I’ll see where they are, and we’ll go day by day and try to get them farther along.
I saw kids in my community go from apathetic and barely able to read, to devouring book after book.
And they memorized scripture, read the Bible together, discussed current worldview issues, all of that as well. These families were not all believers. They just needed something better for their kids.
We were in rural NC where the teachers were under equipped and over worked. I get it. I’m not blaming teachers. But public school has limitations.
I’m not saying every homeschool family should invite struggling kids into their homes. That’s not possible or desirable for everyone, but my point is that there are SO many ways to love your neighbors and to pour into your communities. And YES! The best way to build a brighter future for our kids is to give them a SOLID foundation of the word of God and love of Christ.
My oldest daughter was in highschool for her last 2 years of HS. She had been homeschooling for 3 years prior. In that 2 years she smoked weed, started vaping, started hanging out with a progressive gay crowd and fell into bi-sexual relationship at one point. I had no idea any of this was happening until my son shared with me.
Praise God he led her out.
Beware of Christian schools though too. They have the same social issues, even if it’s not coming from the teachers. The best I can explain it is that they (at least in my area) have gangrene. And the leadership denies that there’s a problem. My friends just pulled their kids out of a Christian school because of the hidden culture that was destroying their daughter. The gay kids on color guard. The teacher that put himself against the parents for the sake of his sport. The “they/them” students that weren’t being addressed even if leadership said “oh we don’t allow that”. The open drinking in the parking lot. The open defiance against teachers. The cursing and rebellion. Even the Bible teacher homeschooled his kids instead of sending them to the very school he worked in. The confusion that comes from being in a supposed “Christian” environment, only to discover it’s not at all. But still pretending to be. So be aware that you can’t just send your kids to a christian school and think that everything will be fine.
What killed me the most is that I personally know one of the admin at this school, and told her what was going on. She said the kid was lying. Wouldn’t even consider it. Because “not at my school”. So it’s left unchecked and being eaten from the inside out.
Every parent must be involved in their children's education no matter where they attend. Know what is going on. Good for you.
Probably a small percentage of kids in Christian school are actually Christians so it's not that surprising.
Yes! And truthfully it’s not only about what is taught by school systems and teachers, it’s also about what other kids are going to be teaching my kids too… maybe it’s through another child’s exposure to phones/computers/ticktock/porn, when my kids are away from me and not supervised I can only imagine how quickly their innocence can be taken away. It happened to me and I will do my best to protect my kids for as long as I can.
Yes, Jen Wilkin is either super naive or she's being disingenuous.
I enjoyed hearing your take on this. I watched the debate and was disappointed that homeschooling wasn't represented well. If anything, it was shown in a very negative light. Also, I felt it was unfair to compare the best of public school environments to the absolute worst of Christian schools/homeschools.
I agree with that! I was also disappointed to hear that her stance on Christian schools was tainted from growing up with a negative viewpoint from her mom at the Christian school, and that she carried that opinion on into her own life. Feels more like an outdated opinion, versus a valid argument!
"This is My Father's World" is my favorite hymn, too. I appreciate your sharing your point of view and opening up dialogue about many important topics. I think it's wonderful that we all have so many educational and religious choices, so we can each find what fits with our hearts. I was raised in a Presbyterian Church and attended public schools from kindergarten through 12th grade in the 1980s and 1990s. My husband was raised in Catholic Church and attended public school for kindergarten through 2nd grade, and then attended an Assemblies of God private school from 3rd-12th grade in the 1970s and 1980s. Our education had a lot of overlap in the subjects we studied, though some topics got more time or were taught differently altogether. Of course, in public school, your classmates come from all different religious and denominational backgrounds, and it was interesting to learn from them (as well as in my own church and working on projects alongside other congregations), about what we each celebrate and believe in. Each school is a bit different, even within a county, and knowing the differences can help families choose their best fit, whether it's a school to go to, or homeschooling.
Raised in the public schools, mom taught in the schools, and I was a speech language pathologist in the schools (10 years…loved it). My husband and I get to homeschool and I’m so very grateful.
Wonderful video, Allie!!
Something lost in the Christian education conversation is that a "Christian education" is not a secular education with a Bible class. It's not even opening class with a Bible verse or checking off a mention of God before opening the textbook. Christians should be concerned with the restoration of Reality, seeing God's world as he created it and in which He invites our participation and flourishing within the bounds of what nourishes a whole person. I think if Christian parents understood the richness of Education (the wonder! the enchantment! the gift!), this conversation wouldn't be a conversation. Knowing that math is a thing of God and to do it well is to become a bit more like Him is a wildly different thing than "neutral math", and a gift to both teacher and student.
Always enjoy your education episodes, Allie Beth! Thank you!
Well said!
TGC's "debates" are never vigorous.
I went to Public school all my life. My father gave us a fantastic biblical foundation at home, and my mom always taught us to be independent and to think for ourselves, so it wasn’t the most difficult thing for me to face with opposing topics that were contrary to the Bible. I did the work and it didn’t sway me. Of course, like with any human experience, there are gaps with my parental teaching, and though the public school upbringing may have colored my thinking, when faced with the Biblical perspective, it was always righted.
That said, I am so very thankful that the Lord has provided for my family enough to allow me to homeschool my children. Seeing what kind of secular track public school has continued on, and how blatantly unsafe it’s become, I don’t feel like they’re missing anything. I can give them a comprehensive education from both sides now. Does that mean I won’t have gaps in my education, no, and that’s not a realistic expectation to have. But their Christian education, combined with allowing my kids to see not only my faith, but that of my husband’s play out, having the hard conversations, and a heck of a lot of prayer… phew… we have faith that the Lord will fill those gaps in for us. The secular indoctrination of children has ramped up too much for me to feel comfortable sending them to public school. God-willing, we will homeschool throughout all their school years.
So we homeschool - any other homeschoolers out there thinking the whole loving your neighbor and being a light thing is actually already met through your local church? I don't know how involved we could be in the ministry of our local church if we didn't have the freedom to drop off meals, visit nursing homes, sit with the elderly during the day, etc. School hours feel so strapping now that we've been homeschooling for a few years 😂
The parents should be the ones being salt and light to their own children, not shoving them out the door and using the 'salt and light' thing as an excuse to not take responsibility for their children's education (including, most importantly, their moral education).
As a former public school special education teacher to now a homecoming mom of 3, I don't think Wilkin understands what is taught in public school verses a Christian education. There is so much difference in a Classical/Christian worldview of history & science that the public school will never even touch, or maybe just corrupt all together. The amount of information just from a truly historic perspective is astonishing and takes several years to learn. Public school education is not what people think it is. It is a worldview & I would be astonished if many "Christian" public school children are learning these things at home to counter what lies they learn at school. Not to mention that most of our children are not yet even Christians in their formidable years. It's like sacrificing them. I don't get it.
Every parent must be INVOLVED in their children's education no matter where they go to school. Too few are.
You should invite on the ladies from “A Delectable Education” podcast on to talk about Christian home education from a Charlotte Mason style, and compare to classical! I know you had the head of CC on at one point, and these ladies have so many wonderful things to say ❤❤❤.
Charlotte Mason method is not the same kind of neoclassical that is most popular today, but they or Karen Glass would be excellent at showing how it is in the classical tradition and similarities/ differences and the beauty of the method.
I would love this! We adore our Charlotte Mason homeschool and it is highly underrated and not well known. Susan Shaeffer Macaulay (Simply Charlotte Mason) or Julie Ross (The Charlotte Mason Show podcast/A Gentle Feast) would be awesome to have on, too. I love how they all communicate the richness and beauty of a Charlotte Mason education and teaching the whole person! ❤️❤️❤️
Would listen to that for sure!!!
Karen Glass says Charlotte Mason is classical except that the ancients did not believe education should be for everyone and Mason did! I have to agree- after reading The Liberal Arts Tradition and 3 of Mason’s volumes I don’t see any difference between classical and CM. But there is a big difference between CM and neo-classical.
Yes!
This was so helpful. Thank you once again Allie. I have a hard time being open to Jen’s presentation when she includes gaslighting in likening discerning parents to fear mongers. This is a pretty tough pill to swallow.
Allie does a fantastic job discussing & explaining how we parents MUST advocate for our gifts from God.
Keep them away from public school system!!
You can say you know what your kids are learning in the classroom, but unless you are IN that classroom for the full day, you have no idea what your child is learning and being exposed to.
Thank you for sticking up for Christian parents . Loving community can be volunteering and helping in many other ways.
I never, ever thought I would advocate for homeschool but I’ve definitely changed my mind! In my case, I went to a small non denominational K-8 then spent the first half of 9th grade in a Catholic school where the majority of the kids came from wealthy families. It was a culture shock and not in a good way. I then went to a public school to finish high school, which was much calmer by comparison and I truly had excellent teachers. This was back in the 90s and things have definitely changed.
Thank you, Allie! I had watched this whole interview/debate and was left feeling judged by Jenn’s points and demeanor. They left out of the discussion that this choice is also different for each child! It is time to build each other up, not tear down.
"The Church needs more hashing out." "More division is caused by lack of vigorous debate than by the presence of it." 100%!!!! Thank you for challenging Christians! We need it! We need to THINK about all of these things and not just take other peoples' word for it. We need to figure it out for ourselves based on the WORD and our convictions. We do that through healthy debate and hearing all the sides. Yes. Yes. Yes. Amen, sister! I appreciate your willingness to speak these things out loud in public because you make people think and seek Truth! Love you!
I was a public school student in the 80's and 90's and always said I would never homeschool. Fastforward to now, with three kids and in our 10th year of homeschooling. I will never say never, but we have no intentions of ever putting our kids in public school with what they are teaching these days. I have never said that I loved homeschooling, I am not one of those moms. I love my kids and that is why I do it. It is a hard choice and doesn't get easier as you go, it changes. But again, I do it because I love my children and we want to be the ones speaking the most into their lives and helping them to navigate this world we are in.
We homeschool for the same reasons...not because I LOVE homeschooling and being together 24/7, but because we strongly feel we want the most time possible to influence our children with Gospel of Jesus.
I went to several public schools, Christian private schools, and homeschool. I homeschooled my children after first having them in public school. I am so glad we homeschooled, but I will say, it unfortunately did not stop them from being exposed to worldly issues, even sadly in a christian homeschool co-op that we attended for years because sin is everywhere and "christian" is used loosely. However, I still am so grateful that we homeschooled because they saw both sides. They had to use critical thinking and make their own decisions as to whether they wanted to make those same choices or not. We had wonderful conversations about the gospel and what the Bible says about life and how to live, as well as how the enemy works in the world and how to combat that with the word of God. I don't know that we would've had those long talks if we didn't have that time. No judgement to anyone in public school. My personal conviction and desire was to homeschool and I'm grateful to have had that choice.
Final comment: homeschooling is fun. Not every day - as with anything, there are good and bad days but the good far exceeds the challenging and the best benefit is a GREAT family culture.
Homeschooling is freaking hard. Wait til you have 5 kids and some of them are teenagers 😂 yes, do it- but don’t downplay the difficulties
Right !? All I hear is how easy it is to homeschool 😳
I don't know anyone saying it's easy. Nothing worthwhile is easy. That's doubly true when it comes to training up children! But that's the job of a parent. The problem is many parents don't want to put forth that effort. It's "easier" to dump your kids with strangers for 6+ hours a day, 5 days a week.
Yes. It's a tough commitment but wouldn't change it for anything. I've graduated 3 out of 5 so far.
We should tell people it's easy, but it's not as difficult as many think. We can teach in 3 to 4 hours/ day. So much depends on the personalities of the kids. I had kids of all different learning styles.
Having kids is hard. I actually have 5 kids, 2 of them teenagers and one is an infant, and yeah it’s hard but it’s not like it would be much easier if they were in school. A good parent would still be helping with homework and projects and keeping up with their work. Plus getting up at 5 am to catch the bus or sit in an car line for 2 hours is not at all appealing to me lol
Allie, thank you for this discussion and sharing your opinions. I have benefited from Jen Wilkins books in the past but I feel like she has completely jumped on the social justice bandwagon with this issue. The clips I saw of her were all about how our decisions should be made for the “good of others” completely ignoring the fact that our primary “others” as parents are our children, whom we must disciple! I know you mentioned this - such an important point. Also just want to say a hearty AMEN to the fact that NO ONE chooses to homeschool (or private Christian school) for their own benefit. I have been homeschooling my 4 kids for the past 5 years and if I didn’t believe it was what God had called me to do in this season I would have quit 5 years ago 😂 It’s a sacrifice - but one that I lay down willingly and happily, knowing that the early years of raising our children in the “greenhouse” of Christianity will better prepare them for the tumultuous years ahead of them. And on the note of “diversity” I think making an effort to be involved in a church that has outreach and hopefully a church body comprised of people from many backgrounds can do wonders in exposing our children to different cultures and ideas.
My hubs and I started homeschooling our oldest son when he entered his sixth grade year. We used heart of Dakota for his lessons. Great curriculum! But then we brought his younger sister home in her sixth grade year and I struggled to help them in math and English. We prayed and asked the lord to help us find something that they could do online maybe. The private Christian schools locally cost upwards of 15,000 per year per kid. We are a one income family and just could not afford that. Good gave us Enlightium Academy which is an online Christian private school. It has been an absolute God sent! I am so thankful for the teachers and the heart of all the staff. My oldest will be a senior next year and my daughter will be a junior. We have a 10 year old that we are using the heart of Dakota lessons for now. He will be enrolled his seventh grade year into Enlightium! We have saved so much money and the kids are getting a solid accredited Christian education. We praise God for it. With so many options, I would say ANY family can find a way to provide their kids with a Christian education. God bless you Allie and thank you for being so out spoken about this topic!
My husband and I recognize all the political/medical mandates issues being pushed on our kids. We have sacrificed so much on the surface, but its worth it to keep homeschooling. It's been enriching for us as a family. We homeschool through a public school program in which we choose the curriculum. We moved from California to a conservative state in order to continue protecting and guiding our kids in Christ. God has definitely provided avenues and support throughout our journey 🙏
Hi, I was homeschooled. I have an MA in English. My mom is and was a rockstar. She homeschooled all 5 of her children as a single mother. My dad gave her $1,300 a month from 1996-2009. His financial support never increased or decreased. She had cleaning jobs to help make ends meet. We shopped at the thrift store, and sometimes we went without because of her commitment to staying at home to homeschool . Homeschooling is not for everyone, but anyone can do it! My mom didn’t have a college education, but she educated future nurses, an engineer, a small business owner, and and English instructor who all know and love God. I will homeschool my children because it is not only the best educational option available to me, but it ensures that I and their father will be the primary influences in their young lives.
Beautiful comment.
You are very lucky to have a great mother. I want to homeschool my kids too but everyone around me is telling me ‘no’.
I don’t know what to do.
@@daisyx1002 After my dad left, everyone told my mom to put us in school and get a job. She had a clear directive from God, and she persevered. If God asks you to do something, He will be faithful in helping you to accomplish it!
@@abigailconard2863 Amen, I believe God will help me if I choose to homeschool. Thank you for your wonderful testimony.
Thanks!
As the mother of two public schooled children, I urge all Christians to pull their children out of the public sewer system otherwise known as the public education system. Your children are not being educated, they are being indoctrinated. My husband who is not a practicing Christian and was opposed to homeschooling and Christian education has completely changed his mind. He would disown our children if they were to put our grandchildren in public school.
Don't apologize for the length of the video, Allie. This was great content and brought up many important points. 👏
I went to public schools and was never introduced to the gospel until long after graduating. I went to what is known in our county as the "high school for rich and snobby kids" where education and athletics were very highly regarded and worn as accolades. The Christian students were ostracized as weirdos and outcasts and "bible/Jesus freaks". Not only was that harmful to the Christian students but also to anyone (like myself) who was curious or misunderstood the gospel. I think children starting homeschooling in masses would better help to reform the public schools more than anything. The schools lose funding when they lose students. They will stop with the nonsense communist curriculum if we band together and take our children out of the filth.
Thank you for standing up for homeschoolers, Allie! Great points, as always. May God bless your channel! - Michelle
Total agree. Homeschooling is a wonderful choice. Best decision I made for our kids.
“ it’s loving your neighbor” to send your kids to public school 🤣🤣🤣 oh shut up with that mess!!!
54:24 Homeschooling is for the common good. Release them into the world with good values.
56:25 Difference in learning
1:04:31 the reason for education
Thank you Allie! I agree wholeheartedly that education is not neutral. When my husband and I were looking to sending our boys to school we knew public education was not an option because of the world view they taught. I picked up the book, A Biblical Home Education by Ruth Beechick. Game changer! We chose homeschooling for our boys for one simple reason, discipleship. It gave us more time to do just that. Now 10+ years later we are still homeschooling. What a blessing! I am so thankful day in and out that God has led us down this road. Oh the conversations we would have missed out on! To have this amount of time with our boys and the opportunity to raise them, by the grace of God, to know and love Jesus....and to stand for truth, even when those around them stand in opposition. They are not unique as their homeschooling peers are similar. A true blessing!
She says, she knows what is and isn't being taught in her kids public schools. Really? Is she listening in to all their classes? Certainly she must be aware that teachers and administrators have lied and covered up so parents were unaware of what they were teaching in public schools.
I was public schooled in the 60s and 70s in a conservative state. As a child from a Christian home, I felt constantly bombarded with atheism. I knew the truth, but I was afraid to speak up. I was a shy person. I homeschooled my own five children in the 80s and 90s because I wanted them to have a Christian based education.
There was a couple in our church that said they were committed to public schooling their children so that they could have an influence on others. She said this to me because I was often saying, "another good reason to homeschool" whenever there was a school shooting, molestation of a student by a teacher, etc. in the news. At one point she was requesting parents at her school get together to discuss safety issues to prevent school shootings. I wanted to quote to her the verse, (loosely quoted) "Don't fear the one who can kill the body, but fear the one who can destroy the soul in hell."
Those who can destroy your kids' souls are a far worse threat in my opinion. I believe God brought about homeschooling just in a time when Christian parents needed an option other than public schools and maybe couldn't afford a Christian school.
You can never be absolutely sure whether bad/sexual things are being taught in your classroom unless you're sitting there all day long. If teachers don't want you to know what they're teaching, they're not going to teach it in front of you. I know SOME classrooms are not teaching it because my husband is a teacher and he refuses to teach that garbage so his classroom this year is safe from that, however, what about next year...whole new teacher. Do you personally know every teacher in your school and their testimony and all their beliefs? Another thing is that it doesn't matter if a school apologizes for something their kid was exposed to by accident or on purpose--once a kid sees or learns something it can't be unseen or unlearned. Thank you Allie for the point about God being taught daily...that is def not taught in public schools at least. That is something that will probably never be taught again in public schools so there's no convincing me to take my kids back. If you try to teach them Bible at the end of a very long tired day, it;s not going to go well. It's so good to be in the company of someone who understands how important a Biblical education is. As far as diversity...go outside...you live near the same people you'd be going to public school with.
We homeschooled our kids for 16 years and then put them into public school about 3 years ago. For us, it was one of the worst decisions we ever made. I'm sure our experience doesn't reflect all public schools, but it was disastrous for us. Kids there are sharing nude photos during school, paying for sexual favors in the bathrooms, and demonize Christianity as early as 4th grade. Kids are openly talking about their sexual experiences right in class. Young boys are sharing nude photos with everyone on Snapchat and it isn't traceable. So, nobody gets into trouble. My kids were bombarded daily above measure. My kids went in equipped, but it didn't matter
My children also are grown , all close to 30 yrs. I also would have held a very similar opinion as Jen were i not now working as a contracted therapist in a public school. My husband and i are now strongly urging our children ro send their children to a private or home school. - and if the LORD wills it, we will help them fund that choice. What i see and hear from elementary school children today is sad- and my job as a mental health therapist who is also a christian is becoming more difficult to reconcile each day.