The "souvenir Jacques Goddet" is always awarded at the top of the Tourmalet, or the highest point in the Pyrenees if the Tourmalet is not part of the race. Similarly, the "souvenir Henry Desgrange" is always awarded at the top of the Galibier, except when it's not part of the race and is then awarded at the highest point in the whole tour.
Funny, this year the Cime de la Bonette is the highest point in the Alps, so I guess the souvenir will be awarded there. If not then that is really strange and inconsistent.
@@edwin.jansen if the Galibier is part of the race, it will be the Galibier. The souvenirs are there to celebrate the legendary status of these cols, the highest point rule is only used to find a substitute
Regarding stage 19: Iseran is 2770 Stelvio is 2757 Agnello is 2744 But the road in Sierra Nevada goes almost all the way up the peak of Pico Veleta at 3398 meters. For the adventurous, there's actually an unpaved south side; Capileira is the final village and quite soon the road turns to gravel. I'd guess the pass is somewhere in the 3000-3100 meter range. Highly recommended, I had the pleasure of climbing it from the south many years ago.
Fun Fact: Jelle Vanendert was the first winner up Plateau de Beille who didn't end up winning the Tour GC. Before him Pantani*, Armstrong* (2x) and Contador. After him Rodriguez won without winning GC as well. So, really only Legends win on Plateau de Beille! :D
@@adrianbuck8772 Roglic was nowhere near 100% in the Vuelta. They didn't even decide he was racing it until roughly the week before because of injuries he suffered in the Tour. And he was taking time on Remco with a couple of tough mountain stages to go. He may have overtaken him had he not crashed himself out of the race. Remco has not shown to be on the same level in Grand Tours as Jonas, Pogacar or a healthy Roglic.
@@Enigma71559 Was he at 100% at this years Vuelta Catalunia? Because he won by a few seconds against Remco. Or at the Giro 2023? Because it wasnt an dominant win either.
I was on holidays in les Cabannes (foot of Plateau de Beille) like a dozen times. Plateau is a very steady climb, that gets easier at the end, comparable to Alpe, but a bit longer. Jonas has to attack with 5-6 k to go, there it has about 9 % for a good amount of time. What i wanna add, Agnes, the climb before, is brutal in the sun, in the first few kilometers, sun shines right on your head and in the afternoon, it can feel like 40 degrees there, with no wind at all. Might really fatigue the riders. Even though, it's often raining there, but then there would be spice aswell, wouldn't it;)... All in all, i'm really loking forward to this stage!!!
I got so used to LR posting so much content over the season (actually I thought you were overworking yourself) that I have been going through a sort of a withdrawal period. I had a tendency to check if there is a new podcast in my regular cycling podcast time (yes, late in the night). It is better now. Anyway, thanks for this. Enjoy the calmer post-season time, improve your ftp.
The Valloire stage can be really tricky. Wind can be a factor on these less steep but very high altitude climbs. Also the last section of the Galibier is steep (from Lautaret) so not just high altitude. It was very tricky back in 2011 when they finished the stage on the top of the Galibier. If Visma smells blood it can be very similar what they did this year on the Tourmalet but more room for big tempo with high watts on the less steep slopes until the Lautaret
Im with Lanterne on the Parcours. Its a 7 or 8. If the unknown stages give a few more opportunities for the punchers, it is better. What makes me much more excited is the potentially stacked Startlist.
Stage 4 Montgenevre profile is probably a bug, there's a long tunnel, a steep one but never over 8-9% gradient. Maybe the software used for profile tracking did not take into account the tunnel
The obvious breakaway stage will be stage 18 Gap > Barcelonette. Other than that maybe the two stages in between Massif Central and Pyrenees. I think a strong breakaway like Le Creusot 2021 could somehow form on stage 1 to be honest, we will see lol. Puy Mary according to the TDF website the final km averages 14%... Key thing about that Bonette climb is the final kilometre, you are going up to 2800m and its 10% and higher. If Pogacar cracks then we saw how quickly a gap to Vingegaard can open on Ventoux / Marie Blanque / Granon in just a short amount of time. And it gets more concerning for Pog because I think Vingegaard can take time on that descent too, before we even reach Isola 2000. Re preparation for Tour: Dauphine almost always does a stage that replicates in some part one of the Tour de France stages (in 2022 they did Vaujany which followed the route of the Alpe d'Huez stage for the Tour, in 2021 they did Roselend via Col du Pre which was part of the Tignes stage, in 2020 they did parts of the Lyon stage of the TDF as well as climbed Madeleine which was before Loze that year.) Given this, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Dauphine stage that finished in SuperDevoluy or finished in Valloire after Galibier.
Wondering what Geoghegan Hart is going to do, obviously depending on what level he'll return. But him making his move to Lidl is interesting. Both him and Evenepoel looked better I think than Roglic&Thomas. Without the crash I think he probably would've gotten his second Giro. Questionable what he could do in the Tour though.
@finiteautomata3888 Every year is different. It all depends on who is in superform. Pogi wasn't this year. So, I don't think Jonas will bulldoze Pogi again. It would be nice to see them all in superform and that no GC rider crashes or has very bad luck (beware for the gravel stage). But what are the chances?
Good evening! it's a very tough tour, I don't agree with this new way of making the first stages immediately hard, much less the last one. the first and last should be a prize for sprinters, but it is a category that is now gradually disappearing because it is no longer possible to be pure sprinters today. let's get to the route now, the Galibier in the fourth stage will do damage even if it is on the easy side. but when you climb above 2600m nothing is easy. I predict that the jumbos will start strong to have a buffer for the dirt stage where I consider Pogacar clearly superior to Vingegard. the weekend in the Pyrenees will be very tough, the two uphill finishes are real climbs. the central massif won't do much, the usual escapes and little else. the final weekend will be very tough. the isola 2000 stage will be entirely at altitude and I repeat there is no need for large slopes to create selection. Saturday's stage will be breathless and the final time trial will depend on what's left in the tank. I see Vingegard as the favorite as he always has a third week higher than Pogi, who will have to prepare specifically also because in the two time trials to date he is inferior and not by a little (great to increase the km of the tt after years of nothing) final opinion, pogacar should definitely do the tour of Italy which would give him depth, long climbs and high altitude, he would come out with a great leg and it would benefit the tour, I am against the bullshit that today it would no longer be possible to do the double, it's impossible if you start full throttle in February and have an intense spring. but if one plans the tour well it is feasible, for a great champion obviously.
No prediction of which stage Cav will win his record stage win? (Or if he even will? There's no way he marks a DNF until after the last sprint stage unless he misses a time limit in one of the tough moutain stages. I think Le Tour is conspiring against Cavendish...
In certain scenarios the Organisation can let guys in the race even if they finished below the time cut. All sprinters missing time cut would certainly have circumstances which make that reasonable.
Vingegaard might win the last three stages. Stage 19 are just so very attritional that Vingegaard is favorite because he is the best uphill. Stage 20 follows stage 19 so people might have blown up legs. Here Vingegård will follow until the last 2 km and he takes ½ a minute. 2023 showed that Vingegaard is a top 3 on a hilly TT in the last week just like like stage 21. So my shout is 3 win in row meaning another Tour win for Vingegaard.
“One time trail nit enough” it only took one to end TdF2023. Not great if it come down to who does the best TT after all those other efforts. Why even look at the long stages if the last 20 min of each TT decided the matter?
Stage #1 Pidcock - Ayuso, Stage #19 Vingegaard, they have ⛰️⛰️⛰️ over 2k 🤯 beautiful day to crash and lose a lot of time (love to see Cav surviving that day 😂) very hard Tour and I hope to see all the big name for the GCN battle 💛
Question is, will he do the giro before. I don‘t think he beats jonas. So doing and probably easily winbing the giro and then doing the tour after, to win it if jonas sonehow crashes out could be smart. But it would likely mean no classics except for maybe liege. And i think he likes the classics
@@HkFinn83Came back here randomly six months later. It really should be the highest mountain pass. Only Veleta and the Ötztaler Gletscherstrasse should be higher paved roads and both aren’t mountain passes but deadends. I don’t know though, maybe I’m missing something.
Stage 1 is clearly for Roglic. ;-) Unless Pogacar rides away solo. Remco. We will see. Could be, but if he wants to win the Tour somebody needs to tell him what 3 weeks are. ;-)
Almeida is doing the Tour, that's almost a certainty (at least according to portuguese media), so it'll be interesting to see who UAE takes besides him and Pogi. Is Yates going again? I honestly don't think so. Pogi will be leader, Almeida will basically replace Yates (although a podium seems impossible imo), Majka seems likely, Politt and Bjerg for the flat... and Vine? Mcnulty? Soler? Sivakov? Fisher-Black?
Bjerg/Hirschi, Pollitt, Wellens, Soler, Sivakov/Yates, Almeida, Ayuso, Pogacar would be really strong and interesting team. Almeida pure domestique, while Ayuso would start as a shadowleader/2nd threat but if he loses some time early has to turn into a domestique rider. For UAE it can be interesting to for once be the one in the TdF to have a dual threat initially (even if it is unlikely to hold). Both Almeida and Ayuso indicated that they want to do that tour. Ayuso already did vuelta twice, so either Tour or Giro for him and Tour might be better (also longterm regarding experience)?
I'm having a tired day at work and I just want to say it PISSES ME OFF that they don't give all the profiles right away. Like what the fuck is the point of a route announcement and then asking for riders and teams reactions if they aren't sure how half these stages are going to play out ?? It's just idiotic.
Kinda sad that they didn't go back to Col de Portet instead of the Plat d'Adet... Maybe they thought they already featured it twice in a few years, and they already had hard enough stages, but the Pla d'Adet is a bit underwhelming in comparison
The problem with predicting breakaways this next year isn't just the short, difficult mountain stages, but that with FOUR teams having SERIOUS contenders for the Yellow Jersey in Nice (or at least the podium), I think they're all going to be watching each other but also wanting as many stage wins as possible.
Not sure how it will turn out. Does Bora, UAE, QuickStep really have an incentive to make the race really hard? I dont see it. And given that Roglic, Pogi and Remco are similar punchy i wouldnt be shocked if they let guys go in breakaways.
@@adrianbuck8772 Hey, Chris Horner is calling both UAE and Visma "knuckleheads" every year because they both CONSTANTLY make Le Tour more difficult than it needs to be. I do think Pog has matured in the last year or two, but he still gets his team to pace for him when it doesnt' really seem to benefit him, or because he wants to win early stages to prove his dominance, despite Jonas proving again and again that he is patient and waits to do the proving in Week Three after the other teams (and Pog) are more worn out than Visma/Jonas.
@@kjaime7030 If Jumbo dont make the Tour difficult Jonas doesnt win it. And if Jumbo doesnt care about Van Arts results hes not riding for them. Horner loves to think in his old school way and every time somebody doesnt ride like it would have been riden in his era he calls them knuckleheads without any difference between tactical mistake,new approach or things you have to do to keep your Superstar (Van Art...) happy. If Remco, Roglic or Pogi feel confident to win the stage their Team are gonna make it hard. Maybe Jonas still takes time on them. Thats life. If you think you have the upper Hand you go for it. Maybe your right, maybe your wrong. You have to try it.
@@adrianbuck8772 You know, I've seen that complaint about Horner before, about his old-school ways. But for the most part, I don't have a problem with his nitpicking. I mean, I have no trouble seeing Visma (they won't be Jumbo next year) as knuckleheads if tehy are totally okay with Van Aert going SOLO for 150k, which did NOTHING for him and NOTHING for anyone else on the team. Well, other than the Combativity prize, which is 20,000 Euros (and they're paying him 110 times that). It made ZERO sense. Old school, "new" school, whatever. And Pogacar up until this year did that sort of thing a LOT, and even the first week of the Tour this year, because he's full of himself (for good reason, but I think it hurts him in the long run), where he'll go for a stage win because he knows he can, not worrying about what it might mean for his legs--or, more importantly, his team's legs--two days later. And rules Horner has, like not leaving your leaders alone, make complete sense to me. Please explain to me how that no longer makes any sense because team tactics somehow are different now than they were a decade ago. (He's old, but it hasn't been as long since he won a Grand Tour as you might think from looking at him.)
@@adrianbuck8772 Jonas said before the Tour even started that the third week looks good for Jumbo and that's what the team was focused on. After Pog won early stages and picked up a couple of minutes, Jonas wasn't fazed one iota and said again that he and the team would have better legs than the others in week three, exactly what had happened the year before. UAE's DS should have been paying attention and not letting Pog dictate things so much. I mean, if they want to win. But they won the UCI points "race" this year, so they're okay. But if I were Pog, I wouldn't be okay. I'd want to be chasing that record that Armstrong got and was stripped of... He's maturing though, and racing a bit smarter. We'll see. Then again, Roglic is as well. Vingegaard has since day one. Van Aert does what he does. I hope he gets wins this year after being more worried about his expecting wife than the race last year. A wee bit distracted, I think. What he did in 2022 was as phenomenal as what Cavendish did the year before...
Kuss wont ride the Giro. Already said that he wants to defend the Vuelta GC and will ride for Jonas at the Tour. Even if he does ride the Giro and Remco does too Remco has an huge ITT advantage and Kuss wont get the 3+minutes advantage as the sole leader of his Team from an breakaway. So Remco should be the big favorite compare to Kuss.
@@philipb.1950 ? Both have won 1 Grand Tour. Both dont have any top 5 GC result outside of their win. Kuss has 1 more Grand Tour GC top 10 result than Remco but with way more Grand Tour Starts. Kuss has way more Grand Tour stages which high level performances but Remco has also an good track record on that.
@@philipb.1950 And Kuss' numbers would be even better if he weren't completely wearing himself out as a domestique all the time. That's why I was impressed with UAE getting someone on the podium with Pog at the Tour this year. I think Evenepoel said he wants to do fewer Classics and focus on 3-week training next year, and do the one-week high altitude preps like le Critérium du Dauphiné or the Tour de Suisse. I think Vingegaard did the former and Pogačar the latter this year.
I think we need to factor in olympics… the likes of pogi, mvdp and wva may skip tdf to focus on olympics… the only confirmed gc riders are Jonas and Roglic for me.
Love it guys, but please don’t encourage sprinters to diss the world’s premier bike race by deliberately abandoning once they’ve taken what they can from it. 😖🤷♂️
Reason ASO doesn't want to go back to Brittany is because they are scared of the Omi Opi woman 😂
You're thinking of the woman who tore down the peloton while doing her stupid selfie?
The berret screams crosswind chaos.
Berret?
@@epincionwore a Berret, up till around 7'54"..
that's the new POC helmet prototype
😂
LRCP do another GT preview creates happy brain chemicals
Patrick's headwear game is so strong.
The hat 😂🔥🔥🔥
Somehow disappointed that there was not an extreme hair cut reveal when he took it off…
The "souvenir Jacques Goddet" is always awarded at the top of the Tourmalet, or the highest point in the Pyrenees if the Tourmalet is not part of the race. Similarly, the "souvenir Henry Desgrange" is always awarded at the top of the Galibier, except when it's not part of the race and is then awarded at the highest point in the whole tour.
Thank you for the explanation. I was rioting about Desgrange not being on Bonette!
Funny, this year the Cime de la Bonette is the highest point in the Alps, so I guess the souvenir will be awarded there. If not then that is really strange and inconsistent.
@@edwin.jansen if the Galibier is part of the race, it will be the Galibier. The souvenirs are there to celebrate the legendary status of these cols, the highest point rule is only used to find a substitute
I still remember my dad crying when Jelle Vanendert won that iconic stage. A true belgian hero (for a day)
Regarding stage 19:
Iseran is 2770
Stelvio is 2757
Agnello is 2744
But the road in Sierra Nevada goes almost all the way up the peak of Pico Veleta at 3398 meters. For the adventurous, there's actually an unpaved south side; Capileira is the final village and quite soon the road turns to gravel. I'd guess the pass is somewhere in the 3000-3100 meter range. Highly recommended, I had the pleasure of climbing it from the south many years ago.
How much harder was the climb due to less oxygen?
Tour of Utah 2018, stage 1 went to 3170m, stage 2 went to 2850m (Mt. Nebo), and stage 5 went to 2962m (Guardsman pass)
There is nothing better than checking your phone and seeing a LRCP GT Preview. Always makes my day keep it up boys great preview
Why is Benji talking to Nile Rodgers about the TdF
Loool
Chic
Fun Fact: Jelle Vanendert was the first winner up Plateau de Beille who didn't end up winning the Tour GC. Before him Pantani*, Armstrong* (2x) and Contador. After him Rodriguez won without winning GC as well. So, really only Legends win on Plateau de Beille! :D
This has Jonas written all over it. Tadej, Remco, and Primoz better bring there A+ game to have any shot.
Especially final TT is very very hard
Don't you mean Tadej and Primoz need to bring the A game. Remco needs to hope the other three crash.
@@Enigma71559 Remco was up over 90 seconds on Roglic the moment Roglic decided to crash out of the Vuelta 2022...
@@adrianbuck8772 Roglic was nowhere near 100% in the Vuelta. They didn't even decide he was racing it until roughly the week before because of injuries he suffered in the Tour. And he was taking time on Remco with a couple of tough mountain stages to go. He may have overtaken him had he not crashed himself out of the race. Remco has not shown to be on the same level in Grand Tours as Jonas, Pogacar or a healthy Roglic.
@@Enigma71559 Was he at 100% at this years Vuelta Catalunia?
Because he won by a few seconds against Remco.
Or at the Giro 2023?
Because it wasnt an dominant win either.
I was on holidays in les Cabannes (foot of Plateau de Beille) like a dozen times. Plateau is a very steady climb, that gets easier at the end, comparable to Alpe, but a bit longer. Jonas has to attack with 5-6 k to go, there it has about 9 % for a good amount of time.
What i wanna add, Agnes, the climb before, is brutal in the sun, in the first few kilometers, sun shines right on your head and in the afternoon, it can feel like 40 degrees there, with no wind at all. Might really fatigue the riders. Even though, it's often raining there, but then there would be spice aswell, wouldn't it;)...
All in all, i'm really loking forward to this stage!!!
I can see Pog taking green on this route, Jasper will need to find the breaks in last 10 days
Actually a decent take
Day 3 of asking for a Wout Van Aert interview. He's a pretty knowledgeable guy and interesting to talk to if he's enjoying it.
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I got so used to LR posting so much content over the season (actually I thought you were overworking yourself) that I have been going through a sort of a withdrawal period. I had a tendency to check if there is a new podcast in my regular cycling podcast time (yes, late in the night). It is better now. Anyway, thanks for this. Enjoy the calmer post-season time, improve your ftp.
The Valloire stage can be really tricky. Wind can be a factor on these less steep but very high altitude climbs. Also the last section of the Galibier is steep (from Lautaret) so not just high altitude. It was very tricky back in 2011 when they finished the stage on the top of the Galibier. If Visma smells blood it can be very similar what they did this year on the Tourmalet but more room for big tempo with high watts on the less steep slopes until the Lautaret
Pogi and Remco need to collaborate on the punchy stages and ride away from Jonas and gain Time cause there is a lot of Jonas Stages at the end
I think the weird profile on the climb to Montgenevre on stage 4 is due to a tunnel.
Patrick’s beret - straight off Jack Nicholson’s Joker in Batman 89 😂😂😂
You are absolutely right!
Looking dashing Patrick!
You look like Catherine Hepburn in her twenties. Lovely with earrings too🥰
I hope for Felix Gall to return as a GC rider with an improved TT setup
Nah, let him cook in the Giro, actually has a chance to podium there. He would be a great addition for the Giro (remember his attacks in Suisse?)
Literally LOLed before the first second was done
If Pidcock goes to the Tour, I hope he gets the chance to send that descent into Valloire
Im with Lanterne on the Parcours. Its a 7 or 8. If the unknown stages give a few more opportunities for the punchers, it is better. What makes me much more excited is the potentially stacked Startlist.
Yeah I agree, it has plenty of material for GC action. But I need more rolling terrain to see some nice breakaway tactics, action, drama.
Lanterne going full Simon le Bon! :-) 👍Yes, I am making an 80s reference for those who do not understand what I am referring to.
The sting in the tail of the Cime is painful, I've done it 2 years ago and it was painful, beautiful, yet painful
Stage 4 Montgenevre profile is probably a bug, there's a long tunnel, a steep one but never over 8-9% gradient. Maybe the software used for profile tracking did not take into account the tunnel
The obvious breakaway stage will be stage 18 Gap > Barcelonette. Other than that maybe the two stages in between Massif Central and Pyrenees. I think a strong breakaway like Le Creusot 2021 could somehow form on stage 1 to be honest, we will see lol.
Puy Mary according to the TDF website the final km averages 14%...
Key thing about that Bonette climb is the final kilometre, you are going up to 2800m and its 10% and higher. If Pogacar cracks then we saw how quickly a gap to Vingegaard can open on Ventoux / Marie Blanque / Granon in just a short amount of time. And it gets more concerning for Pog because I think Vingegaard can take time on that descent too, before we even reach Isola 2000.
Re preparation for Tour: Dauphine almost always does a stage that replicates in some part one of the Tour de France stages (in 2022 they did Vaujany which followed the route of the Alpe d'Huez stage for the Tour, in 2021 they did Roselend via Col du Pre which was part of the Tignes stage, in 2020 they did parts of the Lyon stage of the TDF as well as climbed Madeleine which was before Loze that year.) Given this, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Dauphine stage that finished in SuperDevoluy or finished in Valloire after Galibier.
Needed a TTT for this to be a 9/10
Love your analysis! Can't wait to see how it all plays out! Cheers!!!
Has LR also put on some makeup to go with that fetching beret?
Wondering what Geoghegan Hart is going to do, obviously depending on what level he'll return. But him making his move to Lidl is interesting. Both him and Evenepoel looked better I think than Roglic&Thomas. Without the crash I think he probably would've gotten his second Giro. Questionable what he could do in the Tour though.
The things I’d do to see rog v Pog v jonas v remco v nairo all fully fit
Nairo?
Even a doped nairo won't be good enough in the TTs
@@thomasbeasley3271 not even top 15
@finiteautomata3888 Every year is different. It all depends on who is in superform. Pogi wasn't this year. So, I don't think Jonas will bulldoze Pogi again. It would be nice to see them all in superform and that no GC rider crashes or has very bad luck (beware for the gravel stage). But what are the chances?
You are a great duo; Thanks for the video!
LR - sure you noticed but looks like your camera often focuses on the microphone, rather than your pretty new hat.
It's the bitrate dropping due to his poor hotel connection :)
Real ciclismo is so here
Stage 19 is almost identical to the infamous Giro 2016 stage where Nibali won the GC
2014
@@marko5876 No it was right. It was stage 20 in the 2016 Giro when Nibali dropped Chaves on Isola to take the pink jersey.
Great route
Hope for a great fight with all the curent monsters Vingo Rogla and Pogi, i don't see Remco able to fight with em with a such hard route
Good evening! it's a very tough tour, I don't agree with this new way of making the first stages immediately hard, much less the last one. the first and last should be a prize for sprinters, but it is a category that is now gradually disappearing because it is no longer possible to be pure sprinters today.
let's get to the route now, the Galibier in the fourth stage will do damage even if it is on the easy side. but when you climb above 2600m nothing is easy. I predict that the jumbos will start strong to have a buffer for the dirt stage where I consider Pogacar clearly superior to Vingegard. the weekend in the Pyrenees will be very tough, the two uphill finishes are real climbs. the central massif won't do much, the usual escapes and little else. the final weekend will be very tough. the isola 2000 stage will be entirely at altitude and I repeat there is no need for large slopes to create selection. Saturday's stage will be breathless and the final time trial will depend on what's left in the tank. I see Vingegard as the favorite as he always has a third week higher than Pogi, who will have to prepare specifically also because in the two time trials to date he is inferior and not by a little (great to increase the km of the tt after years of nothing)
final opinion, pogacar should definitely do the tour of Italy which would give him depth, long climbs and high altitude, he would come out with a great leg and it would benefit the tour, I am against the bullshit that today it would no longer be possible to do the double, it's impossible if you start full throttle in February and have an intense spring. but if one plans the tour well it is feasible, for a great champion obviously.
Well, maybe. Sepp Kuss did 3 GT, but didn't rode almost anything else. But will UAE let Pogi ride only the Giro and Tour? I doubt it.
... and so entertaining! Ha, Ha, Ha!
Great hat trick 🤩
With those ITT kms in the Giro and the Tour, GC Carapaz will have to wait until the Vuelta.
So are BOTH of you discounting Roglic's chances next year? The only time you mentioned him as a likely winner was Stage 21.
No prediction of which stage Cav will win his record stage win? (Or if he even will? There's no way he marks a DNF until after the last sprint stage unless he misses a time limit in one of the tough moutain stages. I think Le Tour is conspiring against Cavendish...
TT stage 21 means no “gentleman’s agreement” - potential fireworks finish?
Stage 4 is taylor made for Pidcock! 😉
What happens when all the sprinters miss the time cut on stage 1?
Cav won't
Aranburu will be there to mop up 8 free victories
In certain scenarios the Organisation can let guys in the race even if they finished below the time cut.
All sprinters missing time cut would certainly have circumstances which make that reasonable.
Stage 7 nailed on Remco.
If i were Evenepoel I'd focus on the Giro (and a parcous that suits him) and do the TdF as an aside for exploration and stage wins.
Yes, and leave it to 2030 to make his Tour debut where he'll smoke them all.
Don't know about the whole route, but Nice finish, that's for sure.
LR’s reaction at 1:19:00 hahahaha
We will see the biggest pizza plates ever in Stage 21…65 tooth?
Vingegaard might win the last three stages. Stage 19 are just so very attritional that Vingegaard is favorite because he is the best uphill. Stage 20 follows stage 19 so people might have blown up legs. Here Vingegård will follow until the last 2 km and he takes ½ a minute. 2023 showed that Vingegaard is a top 3 on a hilly TT in the last week just like like stage 21. So my shout is 3 win in row meaning another Tour win for Vingegaard.
Spot on
“One time trail nit enough” it only took one to end TdF2023. Not great if it come down to who does the best TT after all those other efforts. Why even look at the long stages if the last 20 min of each TT decided the matter?
Egan Bernal? Lots over 2000m.
To me it looked like the alpe d'huez stage wthout alpe d'huez.
Next level beret
Stage #1 Pidcock - Ayuso, Stage #19 Vingegaard, they have ⛰️⛰️⛰️ over 2k 🤯 beautiful day to crash and lose a lot of time (love to see Cav surviving that day 😂) very hard Tour and I hope to see all the big name for the GCN battle 💛
I'm surprised you guys aren't mentionning Arnaud De Lie. He'll be there and I'd rate him at least as much as Pedersen in a hardish sprint finish.
I really like the parcour
is lr wearing concealer under his eyes or a sunglass tan
Whoooooo caresssss
Guys what about our american boy, eagle from durango GC KUSS!!
Pogacar is not a question mark, of course he will do the tour come on
Question is, will he do the giro before. I don‘t think he beats jonas. So doing and probably easily winbing the giro and then doing the tour after, to win it if jonas sonehow crashes out could be smart. But it would likely mean no classics except for maybe liege. And i think he likes the classics
Will Jumbo go dual-leader with Vuelta champ GC Kuss?
To be on the podium of this race , TDF would have to be the sole focus for the year
Hm, I don't know. Seems like the Giro route this year, where everyone was just waiting for the last brutal week and nothing happened before🤔
Isn’t Cime de la Bonette the highest mountain pass in Europe?
No but it’s one of the highest used in cycling
@@HkFinn83Came back here randomly six months later. It really should be the highest mountain pass. Only Veleta and the Ötztaler Gletscherstrasse should be higher paved roads and both aren’t mountain passes but deadends. I don’t know though, maybe I’m missing something.
Stage 19 ist where jonas puts the tour to rest. Noone can comped with him on this hard stages with this high altitude
Especially because Pogi is struggling at high altitudes.
If we get close competition all the way to stage 19 then I'll be more than happy.
Ah, I remember the good ole days - when I suggested to LR that perhaps a 30 minute video was the outside limit - and he agreed.
Turn up the playback speed- they talk too slow anyways
Stage 1 is clearly for Roglic. ;-) Unless Pogacar rides away solo. Remco. We will see. Could be, but if he wants to win the Tour somebody needs to tell him what 3 weeks are. ;-)
Stage 2 was designed for peak Jala. I believe 🤫
Almeida is doing the Tour, that's almost a certainty (at least according to portuguese media), so it'll be interesting to see who UAE takes besides him and Pogi. Is Yates going again? I honestly don't think so. Pogi will be leader, Almeida will basically replace Yates (although a podium seems impossible imo), Majka seems likely, Politt and Bjerg for the flat... and Vine? Mcnulty? Soler? Sivakov? Fisher-Black?
Sivakov and Fisher-Black should be there, and I'd add Majka as well. Pog needs his domestiques for the high mountains...
Bjerg/Hirschi, Pollitt, Wellens, Soler, Sivakov/Yates, Almeida, Ayuso, Pogacar would be really strong and interesting team.
Almeida pure domestique, while Ayuso would start as a shadowleader/2nd threat but if he loses some time early has to turn into a domestique rider. For UAE it can be interesting to for once be the one in the TdF to have a dual threat initially (even if it is unlikely to hold).
Both Almeida and Ayuso indicated that they want to do that tour. Ayuso already did vuelta twice, so either Tour or Giro for him and Tour might be better (also longterm regarding experience)?
@@MDP1702 Wellens is changing teams.
I'm having a tired day at work and I just want to say it PISSES ME OFF that they don't give all the profiles right away. Like what the fuck is the point of a route announcement and then asking for riders and teams reactions if they aren't sure how half these stages are going to play out ?? It's just idiotic.
Kämna will win 17, his name is written all over that one
Newest Comment by 3 months. Viva le Tour 🇨🇵
I think the gravel stage will be targeted by Matej Mohoric as he is the gravel world champion.
Oh please, barring injury there’s no way Pogi misses the Tour
Kinda sad that they didn't go back to Col de Portet instead of the Plat d'Adet... Maybe they thought they already featured it twice in a few years, and they already had hard enough stages, but the Pla d'Adet is a bit underwhelming in comparison
Nah, it's good. They want to celebrate 50 years after the first finish on Pla d'Adet.
I recon you said Poggie to win every stage
Pidcock for Stage 4, IMHO. It’s the same descent that he ripped it down in 2021.
He will get dropped off the pace of Kuss or Yates big time
I'll predict a unwanted winner next year
finally once again the boucle is A LOOP
michael woods stage 2 winner. He loves very steep climb
A vino route, only caveat if it is poor weather on stages 19 and 20 Pog
Tell me I'm wrong: Better Italian stages than the Giro
Felix gull can podium this tour
lol remco is not beating pogi in a flat sprint
If only you guys enjoyed your job and laughed sometimes 😂
The problem with predicting breakaways this next year isn't just the short, difficult mountain stages, but that with FOUR teams having SERIOUS contenders for the Yellow Jersey in Nice (or at least the podium), I think they're all going to be watching each other but also wanting as many stage wins as possible.
Not sure how it will turn out.
Does Bora, UAE, QuickStep really have an incentive to make the race really hard?
I dont see it. And given that Roglic, Pogi and Remco are similar punchy i wouldnt be shocked if they let guys go in breakaways.
@@adrianbuck8772 Hey, Chris Horner is calling both UAE and Visma "knuckleheads" every year because they both CONSTANTLY make Le Tour more difficult than it needs to be. I do think Pog has matured in the last year or two, but he still gets his team to pace for him when it doesnt' really seem to benefit him, or because he wants to win early stages to prove his dominance, despite Jonas proving again and again that he is patient and waits to do the proving in Week Three after the other teams (and Pog) are more worn out than Visma/Jonas.
@@kjaime7030 If Jumbo dont make the Tour difficult Jonas doesnt win it.
And if Jumbo doesnt care about Van Arts results hes not riding for them.
Horner loves to think in his old school way and every time somebody doesnt ride like it would have been riden in his era he calls them knuckleheads without any difference between tactical mistake,new approach or things you have to do to keep your Superstar (Van Art...) happy.
If Remco, Roglic or Pogi feel confident to win the stage their Team are gonna make it hard. Maybe Jonas still takes time on them. Thats life. If you think you have the upper Hand you go for it. Maybe your right, maybe your wrong. You have to try it.
@@adrianbuck8772 You know, I've seen that complaint about Horner before, about his old-school ways. But for the most part, I don't have a problem with his nitpicking. I mean, I have no trouble seeing Visma (they won't be Jumbo next year) as knuckleheads if tehy are totally okay with Van Aert going SOLO for 150k, which did NOTHING for him and NOTHING for anyone else on the team. Well, other than the Combativity prize, which is 20,000 Euros (and they're paying him 110 times that). It made ZERO sense. Old school, "new" school, whatever. And Pogacar up until this year did that sort of thing a LOT, and even the first week of the Tour this year, because he's full of himself (for good reason, but I think it hurts him in the long run), where he'll go for a stage win because he knows he can, not worrying about what it might mean for his legs--or, more importantly, his team's legs--two days later. And rules Horner has, like not leaving your leaders alone, make complete sense to me. Please explain to me how that no longer makes any sense because team tactics somehow are different now than they were a decade ago. (He's old, but it hasn't been as long since he won a Grand Tour as you might think from looking at him.)
@@adrianbuck8772 Jonas said before the Tour even started that the third week looks good for Jumbo and that's what the team was focused on. After Pog won early stages and picked up a couple of minutes, Jonas wasn't fazed one iota and said again that he and the team would have better legs than the others in week three, exactly what had happened the year before. UAE's DS should have been paying attention and not letting Pog dictate things so much. I mean, if they want to win. But they won the UCI points "race" this year, so they're okay. But if I were Pog, I wouldn't be okay. I'd want to be chasing that record that Armstrong got and was stripped of... He's maturing though, and racing a bit smarter. We'll see. Then again, Roglic is as well. Vingegaard has since day one. Van Aert does what he does. I hope he gets wins this year after being more worried about his expecting wife than the race last year. A wee bit distracted, I think. What he did in 2022 was as phenomenal as what Cavendish did the year before...
not a big fan of stage 9. but gravel is still better than cobbles but this stage could ruin the tour. And yeah I really don't like roubaix :D
Eighty minutes and not one mention of GC Kuss. How quickly they forget.
If Remco goes to the Giro, do you think it's possible Kuss can beat him?
Kuss wont ride the Giro. Already said that he wants to defend the Vuelta GC and will ride for Jonas at the Tour.
Even if he does ride the Giro and Remco does too Remco has an huge ITT advantage and Kuss wont get the 3+minutes advantage as the sole leader of his Team from an breakaway.
So Remco should be the big favorite compare to Kuss.
I mean Kuss has much better results in grand tours then remco to be honest
@@philipb.1950 ?
Both have won 1 Grand Tour. Both dont have any top 5 GC result outside of their win. Kuss has 1 more Grand Tour GC top 10 result than Remco but with way more Grand Tour Starts. Kuss has way more Grand Tour stages which high level performances but Remco has also an good track record on that.
@@adrianbuck8772 just saying remco doesn’t have a good track record at finish grand tours
@@philipb.1950 And Kuss' numbers would be even better if he weren't completely wearing himself out as a domestique all the time. That's why I was impressed with UAE getting someone on the podium with Pog at the Tour this year. I think Evenepoel said he wants to do fewer Classics and focus on 3-week training next year, and do the one-week high altitude preps like le Critérium du Dauphiné or the Tour de Suisse. I think Vingegaard did the former and Pogačar the latter this year.
Benji should do L'Etape...
I think we need to factor in olympics… the likes of pogi, mvdp and wva may skip tdf to focus on olympics… the only confirmed gc riders are Jonas and Roglic for me.
I think Pog skips the tour …. And does Giro / Olympics / Vuelta
Arkea will now sign Qintana seeing stage 19
I propose a 10 seconds ban for Benji on the next podcast for putting "legends" and Jelle vanendert in the same sentence
Love it guys, but please don’t encourage sprinters to diss the world’s premier bike race by deliberately abandoning once they’ve taken what they can from it. 😖🤷♂️