i have 13 million koens right now, and i havent pay any money yet even the cases. frankly speaking the dev should keep the 2x1 case for free and unlockable
The phrase "They failed trying to make it pay 2 win" made me realize that is in fact what happened. No amount of money you buy by swiping a card can't guarantee the wins. Others would argue that since currency is "Pay 2 win", it still technically is but then to what point? People who buy in game currency with IRL money don't magically play better, and it's still free loot for anyone else better skilled. Thanks for the video man, hopefully it helps encourage more people to try the game first before giving their opinions :D
I agred with your opinion, but i still see this monetization model as pay to win, or close to it, i'm aware that yes, You can be equiped and get killed by dum dums or other type of meat ammo, but when we compare two same skill players, the one with better armor and bullets wins, and they option to spent real money to get it is there, even for new players.
@@angelmatzumoto7642 I agree too. It really is pay to win, but i just don't like how suddenly it becomes a gatekeep for everyone not to play the game if that makes sense. A lot of people like to spread so much hate and they haven't even played the game yet.
def wish more people would've took a look into this perspective, yes the person could 100% buy a whole kit, but you can also lose that whole kit in seconds, me personally i've only bought cases and they offer plenty of loot up for free for events and shit etc
Honestly watching this video bought me a new perspective on the idea of “p2w” and putting it into a different context. It allows me to use words and phrases to express how this game isn’t pay to win. Being an avid player of AB I gather large amounts of Koen within raids using T3 gear and sticking to maps I know extremely well. The only time where I spent money was for cases and that’s all. I manage to have a 50 Million storage value for just grinding and not skipping progress to get better.
Ngl, you've changed my mind on playing this to maybe trying it again. I've watched so many videos on people saying this game is PSW to the point where i got pushed away.
I hate it how the majority of these content creators who are shitting on the game play it for maybe 30 minutes (if that at all), don't even try to understand the game, then shit on it for being "P2W," even though it clearly isn't. And the majority of them don't even try to hide the fact that the good portion of their hate stems from the fact that the developers are Chinese and not from the game mechanics themselves (or the videos are just clickbait). Honestly, the only real P2W aspect of ABI is perhaps the secure containers, but they aren't all that useful anyways, so meh. Personally, I still prefer Tarkov over ABI, but it's an undeniable fact that Tarkov has far bigger P2W issues.
If people think a game like this is P2W cuz u can skip a bit of progress and just buy some armor instead of farming it but in Tarkov buying a better stash isn't idk what to say
id say its more paying for convenience. ive played arena breakout a lot on mobile and pc, and i do say i dont think its paying to win at all. good video sir
Most people understand that it's not technically pay to win, but pay to progress If you are good at the game and you pay for currency, then you are going to get richer then someone else who's good that didn't pay for more money I agree that this game isn't really pay to win though, cause even the best players die
1. Game isn't p2w. Those RUclipsrs just hate to hate 2. Game gives you so much for free. 3. The game isn't even out yet and once its officially out on steam they'll have more events that give free gear.
people give assmongold too much credit, hes main point of critic is that you can buy ingame currency with real money... wich is you know, true for a lot of games anyway, but if you are using your hard earned cash to buy koens, bro you need serious help, not only with your life but also for your gaming skills.
I think there is mechanics in the game that heavily incentivize players to spend money for koen, making money is rough even w a secure pouch and just how the economy is. A mid range kit usually runs 200k but yet most items sell for 10-20 k w the occasional gold I find in lockdown being 70-100k. But it’s def not p2w, killed a guy all t6, meta svd w snb, and I had mp5 dum dum. But I love the game and I have fun broke or not
Making money is very easy in this game, most days I set out to spend/use all the weapons I have stocked up and end up with more than I started. The only incentive to spend real money is if you want to sweat out the higher difficulty modes and focus on pvp only, between scav runs and naked runs with just a shotty or sniper you can make so much money so easily, also if you have friends you have the advantage vs a full kit solo player, and the game has skill based mm so you're not likely to be put up against fully geared squads unless you're very good already. I have met very mediocre players with 20-50 million koen saved up cause they just enjoy budget runs Also you can have 2 or 3 accounts and collect the free weekly rewards/quest multiple times, its an easy exploit to make more money, nobody does it cause its not necessary at all. I can see how the devs can tweak the numbers to make the economy way worse for F2P but so far this game is no more p2w than a card game where you can spend real money for new cards, or a fighting game where you can buy strong dlc characters.
Bro I just heard 10 secs of your video and I liked and subscribed 😂😂😂😂❤ definitely not pay to win good shit bro tired of hearing PC people crying over this topic if your decent at gaming u never need to buy Koen period I got 120 million storage value on mobile only bought battle pass and 2x2 case
The Battle pass gives You so much Boost, i got all of them and never really used most of the bundles it gives You. I have dozens of them and they don't take space from the Main storage, it's really good tho.
I started playing today. Got 2million Koen already. I can go into a zone with a barebone weapon and come back fully loaded very quickly. Certainly doesn't feel P2W to me.
I frequently do solo budget lockdown raids like basic mp5 and dumdums and t3 armor where mostly everyone is t5-t6. And get out with like ton of loot. I have never got any red items ever, so I thought I had to buy something to get good loot and I paid for a case but still never did for 5 month straight. So much for a pay to win. I mean my main income is just guns, gear and ammo which other people might have brought in the raids. So, get better at the game and don't cry because if I built a 18M inventory without even getting a red item and just doing PvP, you can too. Edit: And I play mobile too and PvP is harder on mobile than on PC, I know that because I play PC games too.
I do not think it is pay to win as you have to extract out of the raid alive. You can die in so many different ways where it helps you out a bit. Let us not mention that the forbidden and lockdown modes you have to have a equipment value that is 100k meaning, you are fighting players on equal footing. Most raids I go into on basic there are high levels but running the most timmy gear ever. I believe maybe the game modes should be adjusted: The lockdown mode should be at 100k equipment value entry but a cap of I'd say 250k for total gear equipment which you can have a nice gun, decent armor and not too juiced to slap other players. Forbidden mode should have a gear equipment entry of 300k and no cap as it is I believe the highest mode (if it is not then I mean lockdown). This way you're on a high tier mode, high tier loot and facing off against juicers at a level field. As it stands now, I like the game a lot but they do need to keep progressing as tarkov I heard isn't doing too well this wipe with cheaters and arena merging. The raids are fun, I get notifications on my reports, and the player base is relatively cool except there are a few degenerates and ignorant players who ruin the fun which is minimal but I have experienced it. Side note: Top your mags with high tier ammo and leave the other half decent, you'll still be able to compete.
Ok, one think that you didnt mention is, that the game is free. Tell me how the game developers should make money? They run servers that need to be payed, so they give players option, buy the cases, suport the game, cases are not overpowered... Do you like tarkov? ok, go pay 70€ meet cheaters unistall… If you dont want to pay, dont, you can grind it by youself.
bro just look at lol, they could sell secure container + keytool + cosmetics only. I would have bought the big secure container if they wouldnt sell koen
@@angelmatzumoto7642 idc dude, if u are good in lol, u can 1v9 against a full skin team. the champ is always the same. but in abi ur pmc is not always the same u can pay and get a crazy good kit, which will ofc help u to win fights.
I also thought this game is pay to win, but I still played it. Until I found the t7 thermal on the ground in armory basement. With GROUND loot like this how is it pay to win?
People that label this game as "pay to win" cus "you can buy meta gear in the first run with IRL money". Bruh, play the game. These youtubers don't even play the game enough to know the game itself and say it's pay to win. They don't even know, Arena breakout Mobile yet. If they saw what T6 players go through in mobile, T6 in pc will be a piece of cake to ya'll. T6? Dumdums in the legs. Nade spammers? Shoot them or Run. Broke? Naked runs. Basically the game is completely f2p friendly and these "RUclipsrs" see the game as pay to win because they can't play extraction shooters with bad gear cus they can't shoot for shit, absolute skill issue.
its not fully pay to win just pay to stay in there are some players feeling forced to buy that shit , more videos as the game grows will come out to prove they are pushing pay to win
You can't even try to cheese a extra couple of slots out of the case by putting a rig in it. But you can use real money in AB/ABI, so of course iTs pAY To WiN...
i quit after i went to armory twice both times spent long as hell there fighting looting etc then walking to the exit thres 4 people sitting quietly with no armor no helmet just backpack and sks and took all the loot i fought for. its like d2 extract every time. this is also why i quit tarkov i know i should just git gud and know where they are and allways have nades etc what ever copes people have about exit camping being totally fair and balanced and yeah i guess so but its still no fun. seemed promising for the few first matches but then it just baceme loot fight exit but instead of exit get killed by exit camper. so i ran out of money and loot and just decied to quit. if you dont mind this toxic behaviour thats present in all extraction shooters its not a bad game and since its free i get why people play it i just didnt have any fun in it.
Paying real money for advantage is clearly P2W,.... but this can be applied if the skill level of two players is very similar. Otherwise the skill level will be more important. I have some okay-ish gear and get killed by player scavs regularly. Even if I had the best gear in the game it would not make much difference for me,... especially not if I run into a Operator Player with also good gear. When I reach the 10 mil. Koen I will try it out and spend some money for good armor and stuff. I am pretty sure some player scav will be very lucky looting my dead body then hahahaha
bro is speaking facts, allowed his mind to change and actually changed also the guy trying killing a t6 with an AK is using t1 ammo is he dumb or something fr
@@Alex-vz2jz pay to win doesn't mean you get stuff others don't, it means you get stuff that gives you an advantage. If two players of the same skill fought 100times, the one who paid for an advantage may not win every duel, but will have a higher winrate overall.
@@fartinzilla u can buy ingame money with real money, this is the definition of p2w. with in game money u can always play full t6. and if there are 2 players fighting ech other one who doesnt pay money and plays t4 vs the other one who pays money with a t6 kit, the dude who pays will win 8/10 times. this game is the definition of p2w and ppl who try to defend this type monetization are betraying the real gamers and are dick riding the big companies, who dont care about the gamers and only want our money. So is this game fun? hell ya. Do I play it? hell ya. Is it p2w? hell ya. Will I give them my money for a case, as long as u can get ingame money with real money? hell no
What you're describing seems like a downgraded version of pay-to-win. It's more like "pay to pay, and maybe win." In other words, it's even worse than traditional pay-to-win systems !
and his argument is stupid, he's using tier 1 or 2 ammo but if he used tier 4-5 ammo (higher chance to penetrate and higher armor damage ), it would be much quicker, additionally, nobody brings tier 6 to a normal raid where tier 1-2 ammo would be used, only forbidden raids with high-level loot. You cant get much from a normal or lockdown raid (lower red and purple drop rates and bad gear)
What’s this nerd talking about????
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everyone gonna think it's p2w until they realize people died more to nade rats and rats with mp5 dumdum ammo ready to make their legs Swiss cheese
i have 13 million koens right now, and i havent pay any money yet even the cases. frankly speaking the dev should keep the 2x1 case for free and unlockable
Which they listened too. It’s now permanent free for all.
The phrase "They failed trying to make it pay 2 win" made me realize that is in fact what happened.
No amount of money you buy by swiping a card can't guarantee the wins. Others would argue that since currency is "Pay 2 win", it still technically is but then to what point? People who buy in game currency with IRL money don't magically play better, and it's still free loot for anyone else better skilled. Thanks for the video man, hopefully it helps encourage more people to try the game first before giving their opinions :D
You earned a sub from me! :D
I agred with your opinion, but i still see this monetization model as pay to win, or close to it, i'm aware that yes, You can be equiped and get killed by dum dums or other type of meat ammo, but when we compare two same skill players, the one with better armor and bullets wins, and they option to spent real money to get it is there, even for new players.
@@angelmatzumoto7642 I agree too. It really is pay to win, but i just don't like how suddenly it becomes a gatekeep for everyone not to play the game if that makes sense. A lot of people like to spread so much hate and they haven't even played the game yet.
@@iblank13 people spent more time writing essays whining about how you shouldn't even try the game than they actually spent playing it.
Very nice and honest review, this is very rare in the actual youtube/twitch trash.
def wish more people would've took a look into this perspective, yes the person could 100% buy a whole kit, but you can also lose that whole kit in seconds, me personally i've only bought cases and they offer plenty of loot up for free for events and shit etc
Honestly watching this video bought me a new perspective on the idea of “p2w” and putting it into a different context. It allows me to use words and phrases to express how this game isn’t pay to win. Being an avid player of AB I gather large amounts of Koen within raids using T3 gear and sticking to maps I know extremely well. The only time where I spent money was for cases and that’s all. I manage to have a 50 Million storage value for just grinding and not skipping progress to get better.
Thank you for giving an honest to god review noticed the rage bait vid since the beginning since i came from mobile i was aware of it
Ngl, you've changed my mind on playing this to maybe trying it again. I've watched so many videos on people saying this game is PSW to the point where i got pushed away.
Somehow he tank 49 shots yet I die with the most expensive armor and helmet to scavs in like 2 bullets
W take, great video bro
I hate it how the majority of these content creators who are shitting on the game play it for maybe 30 minutes (if that at all), don't even try to understand the game, then shit on it for being "P2W," even though it clearly isn't. And the majority of them don't even try to hide the fact that the good portion of their hate stems from the fact that the developers are Chinese and not from the game mechanics themselves (or the videos are just clickbait).
Honestly, the only real P2W aspect of ABI is perhaps the secure containers, but they aren't all that useful anyways, so meh.
Personally, I still prefer Tarkov over ABI, but it's an undeniable fact that Tarkov has far bigger P2W issues.
great video so far thanks for a great explanation
ngl you are the first one to give the game a fair chance then reviewing it everyone saw the buying currency and then shit on it
as a mobile player with almost 1k hour. the game doesn't feel pay to win as it sooo damn easy to make money in under a few matches
If people think a game like this is P2W cuz u can skip a bit of progress and just buy some armor instead of farming it but in Tarkov buying a better stash isn't idk what to say
id say its more paying for convenience. ive played arena breakout a lot on mobile and pc, and i do say i dont think its paying to win at all. good video sir
Most people understand that it's not technically pay to win, but pay to progress
If you are good at the game and you pay for currency, then you are going to get richer then someone else who's good that didn't pay for more money
I agree that this game isn't really pay to win though, cause even the best players die
That literally is pay to win, but I dont mind this game being pay to win because no case would protect a guy's spartan C Or Bt206 and even ind700
1. Game isn't p2w. Those RUclipsrs just hate to hate
2. Game gives you so much for free.
3. The game isn't even out yet and once its officially out on steam they'll have more events that give free gear.
people give assmongold too much credit, hes main point of critic is that you can buy ingame currency with real money... wich is you know, true for a lot of games anyway, but if you are using your hard earned cash to buy koens, bro you need serious help, not only with your life but also for your gaming skills.
I think there is mechanics in the game that heavily incentivize players to spend money for koen, making money is rough even w a secure pouch and just how the economy is. A mid range kit usually runs 200k but yet most items sell for 10-20 k w the occasional gold I find in lockdown being 70-100k. But it’s def not p2w, killed a guy all t6, meta svd w snb, and I had mp5 dum dum. But I love the game and I have fun broke or not
Making money is very easy in this game, most days I set out to spend/use all the weapons I have stocked up and end up with more than I started.
The only incentive to spend real money is if you want to sweat out the higher difficulty modes and focus on pvp only, between scav runs and naked runs with just a shotty or sniper you can make so much money so easily, also if you have friends you have the advantage vs a full kit solo player, and the game has skill based mm so you're not likely to be put up against fully geared squads unless you're very good already.
I have met very mediocre players with 20-50 million koen saved up cause they just enjoy budget runs
Also you can have 2 or 3 accounts and collect the free weekly rewards/quest multiple times, its an easy exploit to make more money, nobody does it cause its not necessary at all.
I can see how the devs can tweak the numbers to make the economy way worse for F2P but so far this game is no more p2w than a card game where you can spend real money for new cards, or a fighting game where you can buy strong dlc characters.
Bro I just heard 10 secs of your video and I liked and subscribed 😂😂😂😂❤ definitely not pay to win good shit bro tired of hearing PC people crying over this topic if your decent at gaming u never need to buy Koen period I got 120 million storage value on mobile only bought battle pass and 2x2 case
The Battle pass gives You so much Boost, i got all of them and never really used most of the bundles it gives You.
I have dozens of them and they don't take space from the Main storage, it's really good tho.
I started playing today. Got 2million Koen already. I can go into a zone with a barebone weapon and come back fully loaded very quickly. Certainly doesn't feel P2W to me.
I frequently do solo budget lockdown raids like basic mp5 and dumdums and t3 armor where mostly everyone is t5-t6. And get out with like ton of loot. I have never got any red items ever, so I thought I had to buy something to get good loot and I paid for a case but still never did for 5 month straight. So much for a pay to win. I mean my main income is just guns, gear and ammo which other people might have brought in the raids. So, get better at the game and don't cry because if I built a 18M inventory without even getting a red item and just doing PvP, you can too.
Edit: And I play mobile too and PvP is harder on mobile than on PC, I know that because I play PC games too.
I do not think it is pay to win as you have to extract out of the raid alive. You can die in so many different ways where it helps you out a bit. Let us not mention that the forbidden and lockdown modes you have to have a equipment value that is 100k meaning, you are fighting players on equal footing. Most raids I go into on basic there are high levels but running the most timmy gear ever. I believe maybe the game modes should be adjusted:
The lockdown mode should be at 100k equipment value entry but a cap of I'd say 250k for total gear equipment which you can have a nice gun, decent armor and not too juiced to slap other players.
Forbidden mode should have a gear equipment entry of 300k and no cap as it is I believe the highest mode (if it is not then I mean lockdown). This way you're on a high tier mode, high tier loot and facing off against juicers at a level field.
As it stands now, I like the game a lot but they do need to keep progressing as tarkov I heard isn't doing too well this wipe with cheaters and arena merging. The raids are fun, I get notifications on my reports, and the player base is relatively cool except there are a few degenerates and ignorant players who ruin the fun which is minimal but I have experienced it. Side note: Top your mags with high tier ammo and leave the other half decent, you'll still be able to compete.
in this era people yaps too much without even knowing what hes talking about
The really pay to win is good camo skin. You cant get it outside the season they release.
@@kaka09876543210 Is this a riddle or something
Ok, one think that you didnt mention is, that the game is free. Tell me how the game developers should make money? They run servers that need to be payed, so they give players option, buy the cases, suport the game, cases are not overpowered... Do you like tarkov? ok, go pay 70€ meet cheaters unistall… If you dont want to pay, dont, you can grind it by youself.
bro just look at lol, they could sell secure container + keytool + cosmetics only. I would have bought the big secure container if they wouldnt sell koen
They sell roullette skins that end up costing twice the price of a AAA Game, lol
@@angelmatzumoto7642 gotta milk the streamer nerds and rich Arab kids
@@angelmatzumoto7642 idc dude, if u are good in lol, u can 1v9 against a full skin team. the champ is always the same. but in abi ur pmc is not always the same u can pay and get a crazy good kit, which will ofc help u to win fights.
I also thought this game is pay to win, but I still played it. Until I found the t7 thermal on the ground in armory basement. With GROUND loot like this how is it pay to win?
the only people crying about pay to win are the people that are trash in game
its not pay 2 win, its pay 2 throw your gear away to a 1 hit headshot or leg meta
People that label this game as "pay to win" cus "you can buy meta gear in the first run with IRL money". Bruh, play the game.
These youtubers don't even play the game enough to know the game itself and say it's pay to win. They don't even know, Arena breakout Mobile yet. If they saw what T6 players go through in mobile, T6 in pc will be a piece of cake to ya'll.
T6?
Dumdums in the legs.
Nade spammers?
Shoot them or Run.
Broke?
Naked runs.
Basically the game is completely f2p friendly and these "RUclipsrs" see the game as pay to win because they can't play extraction shooters with bad gear cus they can't shoot for shit, absolute skill issue.
its not fully pay to win just pay to stay in there are some players feeling forced to buy that shit , more videos as the game grows will come out to prove they are pushing pay to win
You can't even try to cheese a extra couple of slots out of the case by putting a rig in it.
But you can use real money in AB/ABI, so of course iTs pAY To WiN...
i quit after i went to armory twice both times spent long as hell there fighting looting etc then walking to the exit thres 4 people sitting quietly with no armor no helmet just backpack and sks and took all the loot i fought for. its like d2 extract every time. this is also why i quit tarkov i know i should just git gud and know where they are and allways have nades etc what ever copes people have about exit camping being totally fair and balanced and yeah i guess so but its still no fun. seemed promising for the few first matches but then it just baceme loot fight exit but instead of exit get killed by exit camper. so i ran out of money and loot and just decied to quit. if you dont mind this toxic behaviour thats present in all extraction shooters its not a bad game and since its free i get why people play it i just didnt have any fun in it.
Paying real money for advantage is clearly P2W,.... but this can be applied if the skill level of two players is very similar. Otherwise the skill level will be more important. I have some okay-ish gear and get killed by player scavs regularly. Even if I had the best gear in the game it would not make much difference for me,... especially not if I run into a Operator Player with also good gear. When I reach the 10 mil. Koen I will try it out and spend some money for good armor and stuff. I am pretty sure some player scav will be very lucky looting my dead body then hahahaha
The games not pay to win but t5 and t6 face is ridiculous sometimes.
bro is speaking facts, allowed his mind to change and actually changed
also the guy trying killing a t6 with an AK is using t1 ammo is he dumb or something fr
not as if t5 ammo was exclusive to paid users
also if he shot him in the legs he would have died in like 5 shots
Good Video. Like Sub. 1x2Container needs to be perma obtainable.
You pay real money and increase your chance to win, for me its obvious pay to win
Money can't buy skill. Lmao skill issue
Its still "chance" idiot
@@Alex-vz2jz pay to win doesn't mean you get stuff others don't, it means you get stuff that gives you an advantage. If two players of the same skill fought 100times, the one who paid for an advantage may not win every duel, but will have a higher winrate overall.
It is and there is no other answer to this question
Amazing argument based on pure logic and outstanding evidence, thank you for the comment❤
@@fartinzilla u can buy ingame money with real money, this is the definition of p2w. with in game money u can always play full t6. and if there are 2 players fighting ech other one who doesnt pay money and plays t4 vs the other one who pays money with a t6 kit, the dude who pays will win 8/10 times. this game is the definition of p2w and ppl who try to defend this type monetization are betraying the real gamers and are dick riding the big companies, who dont care about the gamers and only want our money.
So is this game fun? hell ya.
Do I play it? hell ya.
Is it p2w? hell ya.
Will I give them my money for a case, as long as u can get ingame money with real money? hell no
What you're describing seems like a downgraded version of pay-to-win. It's more like "pay to pay, and maybe win." In other words, it's even worse than traditional pay-to-win systems !
yes
1:22 shoot the legs
Flesh damage is kind of broken in this game(in both pc and mobile)
and his argument is stupid, he's using tier 1 or 2 ammo but if he used tier 4-5 ammo (higher chance to penetrate and higher armor damage ), it would be much quicker, additionally, nobody brings tier 6 to a normal raid where tier 1-2 ammo would be used, only forbidden raids with high-level loot. You cant get much from a normal or lockdown raid (lower red and purple drop rates and bad gear)
@@PanCake-ks3gy yea m80(t4) take 5 to 6 shots kill t6
Can a lenovo ideapad 330 run it? B)