It didn’t feel generic to me and to me, the subversion was where the film lost me and I personally fucking hated it. It ruined how magical it was and Orion’s DAUGHTER going back in time by changing a story THEY CLAIMED HAPPENED TO HIM but also act like it isn’t a real story?? So, what’s the point??
I also struggle with some of the themes of the film and it was such a breath of fresh air. Made me feel seen in a way that I wish I could have experienced it as a child.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I just finished watching. I am scared of the dark and yes Orion is so relatable but Dark just tugs my heart. His entire arc just makes me cry. Once the deus ex machina started I do admit i got baffled and it took me out of it a bit. But perhaps that’s just bc i’m don’t see a lot of stories that make use of it a lot, but i did see it work in the movie. I’d love to hear a deep dive from you!!! (pls do explain the deus ex machina more bc i’d really love to learn!)
I thought you were overselling it but the twists regarding the framing device took me by surprise. I'm so glad they kept that hidden, it turns what would normally be a pretty straightforward and generic kids movie into something more complex.
Watched this movie with my little brother, and you were very much right with the framing device. I was very much taken an aback from it but by the end, I thought it was pretty sweet. I had horrible anxiety as a kid I overthought a lot, if this movie dropped 10 years ago, I would’ve been obsessed. I was very much expecting a standard “pixar-esce” story, but I was very pleasantly surprised by framing of the message and themes.
@@Mannof1000Thoughts Dude, nothing you could have said could have ruined the spin this movie took, and I'm so happy you kept it as vague as you did while still expressing how you felt about it. You're doing aces!
Im only about 10 minutes in but I love the whole Infinite Jest bit (the "If I was able to, I would tell you that..." thing is very reminiscent of the first chapter, and the bedtime story Orion wants to read is a big book by David Foster Wallace with a Jester's cap on it). Edit: Thank you for the recommendation, I don't know whether I would have sat down for this otherwise. This was really nice, and I agree the framing device really elevated the movie. I enjoyed it a lot, probably gonna have to think about it some more for the next few days.
@@AlanaArtDream The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D I think Orion putting his head in the water is intentionally jarring, he even gets a jellyfish stuck on his face and it doesn't sting. He also speaks Japanese with Insomnia even though it's very unlikely a white american kid knows perfect japanese. The daughter later points out how it's unrealistic for him to suddenly overcome all his fears
@@DORAisD34D Im sorry, but you have to watch it again, the movie does have a message beyond just “overcoming your fears” it gives more meaning to it in fact.
Yep, definitely watched the film myself (and in the dark no less to add to the ambiance, but only as soon as it got literally dark in the movie), and I was NOT expecting how this story would go, wasn't expecting a Princess Bride type of movie and the deus ex machina made me laugh over how silly it was (which coming from who added that in-universe, I wouldn't be surprised)
That was a really cute movie. I thought it was pretty clear in its delivery and the 'second plot' ending ties in with the initially presented dilemma in a very satisfying way. Thanks for the recommendation.
At your recommendations I have now seen this film and I'm just floored. I don't want to add any spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it yet but I relate to Orion so much. The whole team was able to really capture the overwhelming feelings of anxiety that some people feel. This just feels like one of those movies I'll want to make sure my own child gets to see one day. I would love to see a video of all your thoughts when you find it appropriate for posting! Thank you again for always recommending such fantastic films and shows. This one is really soul soothing.
I just finished the movie. I thought it was just going to be another 'distract the kids for 90 minutes movie' but then it just blew me away. It was funny, clever, tackled serious issues with tact, and most importantly, it was hopeful. If you're seeing this, pause the video, watch the movie, and come back. This is one you want to go in blind for.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D Spoilers: 1. This is all Orion telling his daughter a story so things aren't going to be 100% realistic. It's there to be exciting and fun for kids and you just gotta role with it. 2. It wasn't only about light. It was about systems growing too powerful and leaving no options for change, leaving people feeling trapped. This is done through the metaphor of how light pollution is a serious problem and has serious effects on peoples' mental health, but it can mean more than just that.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I literally just watched this film, and I went to find out if other people were losing their minds as much as I was and I'm glad someone else is also feeling that. I couldn't figure out if this movie was generic and dumb, or brilliant, because the framing device makes the "dumb" parts make so much sense, and also just enhances everything?! Mind blown! Glad I'm not the only one haha!
wow! I was thinking about this video when I watched the movie and wow! loved the ending... very confusing and was like "wtf?" but then it all came together. was so adorable. loved the movie. the beginning reminded me of 'Perks of Being a Wallflower' in a way (how the main characters lives in his head) haha .
I'm gonna be completely honest, that framing device was not focused on enough. I think it did surprise and makes the story unique, but it did not go full-in, making the plot holes, while intentional, feel weird. I see potential in the basic premise and the twist both, and imo they only went half-way by not focusing more on the actual premise and message. I think they should've made the story way more around the framing device and distract the marketing with the original plot. It's an okay basic plot with an insane concept of a twist that while i do feel has potential and ends up being good, it doesn't reach the level i imagined. So yeah, cool movie with an amazing gimmick that was half-done, so still pretty good. Maybe on rewatch it connects better idk, but i'd still recommend it anyways
After a rewatch and further analysis and considerarion i regret this statement The movie wasn't half-assed it is just a bit complex for a basic viewing since it has many layers to it. I think the framing device has actually way more weight than i thought and the symbolism was sincere and intentional, aswell as more well-written than i thought I think this movie gets a bit confusing, but now i see the potential was already reached and i appreciate it much more. It's a great film about not only overcoming fear but loving and learning from it, for yourself and for generations to come via stories. Jumped from a 6/10 to a 9/10
@@Pau-sp9yp I love that you reworked your original commentary on it 🩷 I also felt they could've gone harder with the framing devices, but I think they pulled it off in a really clever way
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
This movie blew my freaking mind. By the time I got to the end I was like: WAIT! WAIT WHAT?! Had my mind doing front flips and I didn’t think a kids movie could leave me feeling that way. Like this man is saying, I thought it would be a fun, generic romp about facing fears but the storytelling is unlike anything I’ve witnessed in children’s media. It’s really awesome and worth a rewatch.
I watched it with my sister last night. The movie wasn't a mindblow for me but it was definitely a nice surprise. The first time it jumped to the future I thought it was cute and a great element to the storytelling, and then when they kept doing it up to the point of showing Orion's grandkid it made me really happy. My heart also melted when Hypatia said, "I think I would be friends with you as a kid" (or something like that). I could not stop "aww"ing at the screen. This movie was a great example for healthy parent-child relationships.
I do have mixed feelings on this movie overall personally. I felt like the character of light was very under-utilised and they could’ve done so much more with him. Also the whole thing about Orion telling the story to his daughter and then her own daughter which I found very confusing overall. The movie also reminded me of rise of the guardians except a little less ambitious too. That’s just me anyway.
The way this movie tries to make the main story realistic but it makes sense considering the framing device and the way it even has a whole scene about plot holes is great.
I really enjoyed the movie, but I think the whole movie could work (better even) without the bedtime story and time travel thing. For the poem thing, one of his parents (or preferably him) could be a poet. He’ll always bring his poem filled books, maybe read 1 or 2 poems to Dark and his friends (one of the poem would be the one Hypatia read), and then, when he’s stranded on the beach (idk why there’s a turtle but maybe it’s a day entity), he’ll start to read his poem (the entities [except dark cuz he’s dead] will recognize his poem), and continue the movie normally (but with no bedtime story) Side note: for the scene with Hypatia saying “they cover the stars and built fake stars” thing, it could be Orion saying it to Dark when they started to be closer
Great video and keep up the great work. Also sorry if this come out of left field but i find it kinda funny how people are saying dreamworld and even illumination (like just because they release the Mario movie. Which was MID. Doesn’t mean they’re a good company for amazing movies) are destroying Disney and while that’s true. Since btw I’m not that interested in their recent line up especially Wish. It’s kinda funny when those companies than put out mediocre movies people are suddenly suprise. I think the different between Disney and Dreamworks and other companies (except for Illumination) is that they are willing to take risk and try. That’s why you’ll get a 10/10 movie one moment and a 1/10 movie the next. Compare to Disney that is just 6/10 (expect for Encanto that was a 20/10). Also I’m kinda a Disney fan and kinda not. It’s hard to explain. Sorry if this came out of no where and doesn’t make any sense. Keep up the amazing work. And Luv your channel. Also I’m not saying this movie is mediocre I actually haven’t seen it yet. But your video just brought this thought up in my mind
Last night I had a horrible migraine. I usually banish myself to the couch at night so I don't keep my partner awake. I had Netflix on and wanted a film to fall asleep to. I didn't know this film existed. Yeah I didn't fall asleep. It was so cute and wholesome. The storytelling actually caught me off guard. And the biggest thing for me.... I always said that if I ever had a daughter. I'd name her Hypatia. THE LOOK ON MY FACE!
I watched it today, and this was the first review I watched. I highly recommend this movie to anyone who hasn't seen it yet. It will absolutely subvert your expectations. You are completely right about everything!! I would love to see a full analysis of this movie with spoilers included! You have a lot of good insights and commentary about it, and include a lot of points I didn't consider.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I personally give this movie a 6/10, maybe a 6.5. I'm sorry but I am just not a fan of the animation style at all. Dreamworks animated The Prince of Egypt and the How to Train Your Dragon trilogy for Pete's sake, some of the most visually stunning animated films there are. This art style is cute I guess, but it's PAINFULLY boring to look at compared to even some of the lowest budget Dreamworks films. BUT, the reason why I still consider this an above average film is because the writing ABSOLUTELY deserves to be praised. The framing device is so clever, and honestly makes up for a lot of the problems I had when I first started watching. Like for example, I thought the pacing was way too fast, but then one of the characters breaks the 4th wall and LITERALLY comments on how the pacing is too fast and Orion shouldn't have overcome his fear so quickly. And I had to just sit there for a moment like, "Oh...wow. I have to take back what I said". And furthermore, I know that "first realistic panic attack in animation" has become a meme because of Puss in Boots and the overall prevalence of mental health as a big topic of discussion in current media . But with 100% seriousness, Orion is one of the most realistic depiction of childhood anxiety I have ever seen in a film. Like, something I've seen a lot of people comment on is how some of his fears seem really silly and childish (like his fear of clowns), but then how some of his other fears seem a little too dark, like getting cancer from telephone radiation, or getting chloroformed, or dying and being stuck in empty nothingness forever rather than a going to an afterlife or being reincarnated. But as someone who was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder as a kid, that's EXACTLY what it's like. Some of our fears are silly and childish and what you'd probably expect from a kid, but others are just as dark and terrifying as any adult's fears might be. I love that they don't shy away from that in this film. I also love how he struggles with wanting to get rid of his anxiety but ultimately he learns to accept it, because I think that there is a big implication that Orion has an anxiety disorder rather than just ordinary fear. His anxiety isn't something he can ever completely get rid of, but he can at least improve slowly over time. Even as an adult he is still a little afraid of the dark, but rather than taking away from the film's message about overcoming your fears, this actually makes those themes stronger. Because overcoming your fears doesn't always mean not being scared at all. It means facing your fears EVEN IF you're scared. So yeah. 6-6.5/10 film. Disappointing animation, but very VERY good writing.
I'm back after seeing it: I was very ambivalent at the beginning (it didn't have a strong start), but there was a lot to love as you went through the film. I genuinely wish I'd watched it with family. The later animation was on point, the framing device was clever & in the middle of the film I had a pretty hard laugh 😊
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I had to stop watching the movie and stop and stop because I was cleaning while watching the tv, I was questioning what the heck they were doing and at the end I was so confused, this movie was questionable but good it made me confused and curious and surprised it was fun and weird and that was the best part.
Oké ❗SPOILER❗ I wathed it yesterday. I feel it was very well executed. I would have preferred if they show how the Night Enteties fit in the day, and than how do they become absolite, like Unexplained noises can be seen, so not unexplained, nobody can Sleep, because of Light, and Sweet dreams can't really enter to peaple, because they are vide awake and such, but it's a minor thing. The big thing what I would like to see/hear, the message "Anything can happen in the dark"... It feels very scarry, what is "Anything?" but also inspiraing, because "Anything!" is a good thing... Therefor, I would have given the unknow a bit bigger representation, not necescarry as an entity, just make it appear more. The story's ending was a bit force with the time machine, but it was fitting, being a little kid's fantasy, and the very end was sweet💜 +Note; I would have love to see Day Enteties, tho, I understand it would been too much and unnecescary to the story... Also, I can't put Unexplained voices anywhere, oke, she wasn't bad, but I also doesn't felt inspirair or usefull, and doesn't feel really as an individual thing... So, I'm puzzled with her....
@@kattyani I do not, possibly, but I'll be honest, I did not checked what I wrote, and I'm not native english speaker, so I could have made some mistakes😅
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
HOLY SHIT! NEW FAVORITE MOVIE! Handily beat spiderverse! HOW?! CAN’T FUCKIN TELL YOU BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IM A SINGLE SCENE COMMUNICATED MY ENTIRE WORLD VIEW ON MEDIA! Holy hell! Seriously dude, thank you for getting me to check this out. I can see why you didn’t wanna spoil this. It was a phenomenal experience to go in completely blind. GAH! I NEED TO WATCH IT AGAIN! WATCH THIS MOVIE! GO! NOW!
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D your name is Dora explora in the name references, so you got school class tomorrow, that you got exam correctly in the name of the or my name is Mr bad boy to you delinquent?, it's about 50 months ago you showed up
Personally I thought it was cool to see that he was telling the story to his daughter and I expected this scene to be revisited after the story ended. But instead they kept coming back to the future, each time feeling less interesting and more unnecessary, to the point that the daughter inserted herself into the plot and it felt really awkward and bad, like if I was suddenly watching a fanfic, not an actual well made story. How can I be invested in the story if in the movie itself they let you know again and again that the story is not even real in their world, that its just a bedtime story, full of plot holes. It had a great begging, okay middle story and mediocre ending for me.
It was awkward, but that was the point. It's a father bonding with his daughter and having fun. It didn't matter if the story was full of plot holes. What mattered was Orion helping Hypatia make sense of the big, confusing things in life.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had been waiting for this film for months and wow, it's worth the wait In the sea of kids animations, I must say the writing is truly brilliant. Unfortunately, the framing device and the ambitious writing itself are the ones that polarize the public opinions between "Clever writing" and "Messy/Overcomplicated writing". I'm definitely on the "Clever writing" side, and I really wish more people appreaciated this film in that regard
Random click of the day well-rewarded. . . . . . . But lemme guess, the big thing you're dancing around has something to do with Cancer, Treatments that could induce Out-Of-Body Experiences, and Greater Existential Fears of Death. I know it's the cliche, but I'm super-curious now.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
Dreamworks does it again, loved the movie! Yeah i was questioning it at first but as it it kept going i fell in love with it more. It reminded me of what Pixar used to be, great storytelling and smart writing
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I watch the movie and it's good but there's problems with it I don't like the part when the dark just literally kills himself and the world doesn't have Darkness anymore and it gets even more confusing apparently it's a story by Orion and was story true or was it just a dream and it was false advertising i thought the story would be Orion would overcome his fears and it's not even a great adaptation to book
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
At least the movie has a subtle commentary on the natural balance between light and darkness, and believable animosity between the personified Dark and Light. Somehow, Adult Orion reminded me of Ryan Reynolds.
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It didn’t feel generic to me and to me, the subversion was where the film lost me and I personally fucking hated it. It ruined how magical it was and Orion’s DAUGHTER going back in time by changing a story THEY CLAIMED HAPPENED TO HIM but also act like it isn’t a real story?? So, what’s the point??
Because it isn't a real story, it's a movie about stories and metaphors
I'm really interested in this movie now, especially since I struggle with severe OCD and insomnia. The themes resonate.
Same 😅 I feel like my mind is racing, especially before sleep. ❤
I also struggle with some of the themes of the film and it was such a breath of fresh air. Made me feel seen in a way that I wish I could have experienced it as a child.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I just finished watching. I am scared of the dark and yes Orion is so relatable but Dark just tugs my heart. His entire arc just makes me cry. Once the deus ex machina started I do admit i got baffled and it took me out of it a bit. But perhaps that’s just bc i’m don’t see a lot of stories that make use of it a lot, but i did see it work in the movie. I’d love to hear a deep dive from you!!! (pls do explain the deus ex machina more bc i’d really love to learn!)
I thought you were overselling it but the twists regarding the framing device took me by surprise. I'm so glad they kept that hidden, it turns what would normally be a pretty straightforward and generic kids movie into something more complex.
I don't think that was necessarily for the better though.
Watched this movie with my little brother, and you were very much right with the framing device. I was very much taken an aback from it but by the end, I thought it was pretty sweet. I had horrible anxiety as a kid I overthought a lot, if this movie dropped 10 years ago, I would’ve been obsessed. I was very much expecting a standard “pixar-esce” story, but I was very pleasantly surprised by framing of the message and themes.
Just saw the movie and omg you weren't lying!!!! I was knocked out how the movie did its storytelling
Y’all just don’t know how these type of comments give me relief. I was so stressed I was overhyping it lol.
@@Mannof1000Thoughts Dude, nothing you could have said could have ruined the spin this movie took, and I'm so happy you kept it as vague as you did while still expressing how you felt about it. You're doing aces!
Im only about 10 minutes in but I love the whole Infinite Jest bit (the "If I was able to, I would tell you that..." thing is very reminiscent of the first chapter, and the bedtime story Orion wants to read is a big book by David Foster Wallace with a Jester's cap on it).
Edit: Thank you for the recommendation, I don't know whether I would have sat down for this otherwise. This was really nice, and I agree the framing device really elevated the movie. I enjoyed it a lot, probably gonna have to think about it some more for the next few days.
Oh and then the Werner Herzog thing, I think I'll enjoy this.
Orion and the Dark was so unexpected for me. I genuinely want to know what you all think of the movie if you’ve seen the twists in it.
It was pretty good movie (and I can’t say anything in case I spoil this good movie)
@@AlanaArtDream The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D I think Orion putting his head in the water is intentionally jarring, he even gets a jellyfish stuck on his face and it doesn't sting. He also speaks Japanese with Insomnia even though it's very unlikely a white american kid knows perfect japanese. The daughter later points out how it's unrealistic for him to suddenly overcome all his fears
Tbh that movie was the most uncle grandpa-est movie I had ever came across and never expected it’s twists
@@DORAisD34D Im sorry, but you have to watch it again, the movie does have a message beyond just “overcoming your fears” it gives more meaning to it in fact.
Yep, definitely watched the film myself (and in the dark no less to add to the ambiance, but only as soon as it got literally dark in the movie), and I was NOT expecting how this story would go, wasn't expecting a Princess Bride type of movie and the deus ex machina made me laugh over how silly it was (which coming from who added that in-universe, I wouldn't be surprised)
That was a really cute movie. I thought it was pretty clear in its delivery and the 'second plot' ending ties in with the initially presented dilemma in a very satisfying way. Thanks for the recommendation.
love the brave little toaster easter egg with the recyling advert on the TV
The s**c**de scene was insane tho, like damn😃
At your recommendations I have now seen this film and I'm just floored. I don't want to add any spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it yet but I relate to Orion so much. The whole team was able to really capture the overwhelming feelings of anxiety that some people feel. This just feels like one of those movies I'll want to make sure my own child gets to see one day.
I would love to see a video of all your thoughts when you find it appropriate for posting! Thank you again for always recommending such fantastic films and shows. This one is really soul soothing.
Orion design looks like Luca Paguro from Pixar's Luca and sounds like him!!!
They are both voiced by the same actor so you got that part right uwu
@kingkazaLUCA IS GAY?
I'm very excited to watch this new film from Dreamworks Animation tomorrow!!!!!
I just finished the movie. I thought it was just going to be another 'distract the kids for 90 minutes movie' but then it just blew me away. It was funny, clever, tackled serious issues with tact, and most importantly, it was hopeful.
If you're seeing this, pause the video, watch the movie, and come back. This is one you want to go in blind for.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D Spoilers:
1. This is all Orion telling his daughter a story so things aren't going to be 100% realistic. It's there to be exciting and fun for kids and you just gotta role with it.
2. It wasn't only about light. It was about systems growing too powerful and leaving no options for change, leaving people feeling trapped. This is done through the metaphor of how light pollution is a serious problem and has serious effects on peoples' mental health, but it can mean more than just that.
I love the subversions and the meta-interpretations. It's genius
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I literally just watched this film, and I went to find out if other people were losing their minds as much as I was and I'm glad someone else is also feeling that. I couldn't figure out if this movie was generic and dumb, or brilliant, because the framing device makes the "dumb" parts make so much sense, and also just enhances everything?! Mind blown! Glad I'm not the only one haha!
wow! I was thinking about this video when I watched the movie and wow! loved the ending... very confusing and was like "wtf?" but then it all came together. was so adorable.
loved the movie. the beginning reminded me of 'Perks of Being a Wallflower' in a way (how the main characters lives in his head) haha .
Is it just me or does quiet get louder overtime? Like i only can really hear her when she quits
I'm gonna be completely honest, that framing device was not focused on enough.
I think it did surprise and makes the story unique, but it did not go full-in, making the plot holes, while intentional, feel weird.
I see potential in the basic premise and the twist both, and imo they only went half-way by not focusing more on the actual premise and message. I think they should've made the story way more around the framing device and distract the marketing with the original plot.
It's an okay basic plot with an insane concept of a twist that while i do feel has potential and ends up being good, it doesn't reach the level i imagined.
So yeah, cool movie with an amazing gimmick that was half-done, so still pretty good.
Maybe on rewatch it connects better idk, but i'd still recommend it anyways
After a rewatch and further analysis and considerarion i regret this statement
The movie wasn't half-assed it is just a bit complex for a basic viewing since it has many layers to it.
I think the framing device has actually way more weight than i thought and the symbolism was sincere and intentional, aswell as more well-written than i thought
I think this movie gets a bit confusing, but now i see the potential was already reached and i appreciate it much more.
It's a great film about not only overcoming fear but loving and learning from it, for yourself and for generations to come via stories.
Jumped from a 6/10 to a 9/10
@@Pau-sp9yp I love that you reworked your original commentary on it 🩷 I also felt they could've gone harder with the framing devices, but I think they pulled it off in a really clever way
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
This movie blew my freaking mind. By the time I got to the end I was like: WAIT! WAIT WHAT?! Had my mind doing front flips and I didn’t think a kids movie could leave me feeling that way. Like this man is saying, I thought it would be a fun, generic romp about facing fears but the storytelling is unlike anything I’ve witnessed in children’s media. It’s really awesome and worth a rewatch.
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I can't explain it, but the framing device felt like they were trying to "fix" what rhey did with "The Boss Baby"
Why is it Adult Orion looks like Luigi without a Mustache?
I watched it with my sister last night. The movie wasn't a mindblow for me but it was definitely a nice surprise. The first time it jumped to the future I thought it was cute and a great element to the storytelling, and then when they kept doing it up to the point of showing Orion's grandkid it made me really happy. My heart also melted when Hypatia said, "I think I would be friends with you as a kid" (or something like that). I could not stop "aww"ing at the screen. This movie was a great example for healthy parent-child relationships.
You had fun with that Kh meme, didn't ya? XD
Maybe 😏
I do have mixed feelings on this movie overall personally. I felt like the character of light was very under-utilised and they could’ve done so much more with him. Also the whole thing about Orion telling the story to his daughter and then her own daughter which I found very confusing overall. The movie also reminded me of rise of the guardians except a little less ambitious too. That’s just me anyway.
The way this movie tries to make the main story realistic but it makes sense considering the framing device and the way it even has a whole scene about plot holes is great.
I'm very curious about this movie.
I really enjoyed the movie, but I think the whole movie could work (better even) without the bedtime story and time travel thing. For the poem thing, one of his parents (or preferably him) could be a poet. He’ll always bring his poem filled books, maybe read 1 or 2 poems to Dark and his friends (one of the poem would be the one Hypatia read), and then, when he’s stranded on the beach (idk why there’s a turtle but maybe it’s a day entity), he’ll start to read his poem (the entities [except dark cuz he’s dead] will recognize his poem), and continue the movie normally (but with no bedtime story)
Side note: for the scene with Hypatia saying “they cover the stars and built fake stars” thing, it could be Orion saying it to Dark when they started to be closer
The story was so complex I can’t even
My first thought of this film was Pajama Sam 1 and that got me seriously anticipated for it, ashamed it got stuck on streaming.
Great video and keep up the great work.
Also sorry if this come out of left field but i find it kinda funny how people are saying dreamworld and even illumination (like just because they release the Mario movie. Which was MID. Doesn’t mean they’re a good company for amazing movies) are destroying Disney and while that’s true. Since btw I’m not that interested in their recent line up especially Wish. It’s kinda funny when those companies than put out mediocre movies people are suddenly suprise. I think the different between Disney and Dreamworks and other companies (except for Illumination) is that they are willing to take risk and try. That’s why you’ll get a 10/10 movie one moment and a 1/10 movie the next. Compare to Disney that is just 6/10 (expect for Encanto that was a 20/10). Also I’m kinda a Disney fan and kinda not. It’s hard to explain. Sorry if this came out of no where and doesn’t make any sense. Keep up the amazing work. And Luv your channel. Also I’m not saying this movie is mediocre I actually haven’t seen it yet. But your video just brought this thought up in my mind
Yeah that's true
Charlie Kaufman is my favorite screenwriter for a reason
the movie was great over all didn't know it came from a book but its not surprising
Quiet would be an awesome pokemon
I watched the movie and the ending was unexpecting
Last night I had a horrible migraine.
I usually banish myself to the couch at night so I don't keep my partner awake.
I had Netflix on and wanted a film to fall asleep to. I didn't know this film existed.
Yeah I didn't fall asleep. It was so cute and wholesome.
The storytelling actually caught me off guard.
And the biggest thing for me....
I always said that if I ever had a daughter. I'd name her Hypatia.
THE LOOK ON MY FACE!
two lines really hit me hard and make me instantly burst into tears
I watched it today, and this was the first review I watched.
I highly recommend this movie to anyone who hasn't seen it yet. It will absolutely subvert your expectations.
You are completely right about everything!! I would love to see a full analysis of this movie with spoilers included! You have a lot of good insights and commentary about it, and include a lot of points I didn't consider.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
Charlie Kaufman
I personally give this movie a 6/10, maybe a 6.5. I'm sorry but I am just not a fan of the animation style at all. Dreamworks animated The Prince of Egypt and the How to Train Your Dragon trilogy for Pete's sake, some of the most visually stunning animated films there are. This art style is cute I guess, but it's PAINFULLY boring to look at compared to even some of the lowest budget Dreamworks films. BUT, the reason why I still consider this an above average film is because the writing ABSOLUTELY deserves to be praised. The framing device is so clever, and honestly makes up for a lot of the problems I had when I first started watching. Like for example, I thought the pacing was way too fast, but then one of the characters breaks the 4th wall and LITERALLY comments on how the pacing is too fast and Orion shouldn't have overcome his fear so quickly. And I had to just sit there for a moment like, "Oh...wow. I have to take back what I said". And furthermore, I know that "first realistic panic attack in animation" has become a meme because of Puss in Boots and the overall prevalence of mental health as a big topic of discussion in current media . But with 100% seriousness, Orion is one of the most realistic depiction of childhood anxiety I have ever seen in a film. Like, something I've seen a lot of people comment on is how some of his fears seem really silly and childish (like his fear of clowns), but then how some of his other fears seem a little too dark, like getting cancer from telephone radiation, or getting chloroformed, or dying and being stuck in empty nothingness forever rather than a going to an afterlife or being reincarnated. But as someone who was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder as a kid, that's EXACTLY what it's like. Some of our fears are silly and childish and what you'd probably expect from a kid, but others are just as dark and terrifying as any adult's fears might be. I love that they don't shy away from that in this film. I also love how he struggles with wanting to get rid of his anxiety but ultimately he learns to accept it, because I think that there is a big implication that Orion has an anxiety disorder rather than just ordinary fear. His anxiety isn't something he can ever completely get rid of, but he can at least improve slowly over time. Even as an adult he is still a little afraid of the dark, but rather than taking away from the film's message about overcoming your fears, this actually makes those themes stronger. Because overcoming your fears doesn't always mean not being scared at all. It means facing your fears EVEN IF you're scared. So yeah. 6-6.5/10 film. Disappointing animation, but very VERY good writing.
I'm back after seeing it: I was very ambivalent at the beginning (it didn't have a strong start), but there was a lot to love as you went through the film. I genuinely wish I'd watched it with family. The later animation was on point, the framing device was clever & in the middle of the film I had a pretty hard laugh 😊
WTF ITS SOO GOOD!!!! IM LITERALLY GOING TO SHOW MY FUTURE CHILDREN THIS MOVIE.
i’ll never be first
So far, you might be!🎉
Dawg, do you think I count my comments!?
This movie made me happy in long time.
Can someone explain the ending? like i dont get the whole time travel thing? Where as her daughter changed the past so eouldnt also change the future
Yep I’m so totally watching this!
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I've never seen this but now i want to (i haven't watched the video yet)
I had to stop watching the movie and stop and stop because I was cleaning while watching the tv, I was questioning what the heck they were doing and at the end I was so confused, this movie was questionable but good it made me confused and curious and surprised it was fun and weird and that was the best part.
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I wathed it yesterday. I feel it was very well executed. I would have preferred if they show how the Night Enteties fit in the day, and than how do they become absolite, like Unexplained noises can be seen, so not unexplained, nobody can Sleep, because of Light, and Sweet dreams can't really enter to peaple, because they are vide awake and such, but it's a minor thing. The big thing what I would like to see/hear, the message "Anything can happen in the dark"... It feels very scarry, what is "Anything?" but also inspiraing, because "Anything!" is a good thing... Therefor, I would have given the unknow a bit bigger representation, not necescarry as an entity, just make it appear more. The story's ending was a bit force with the time machine, but it was fitting, being a little kid's fantasy, and the very end was sweet💜
+Note; I would have love to see Day Enteties, tho, I understand it would been too much and unnecescary to the story... Also, I can't put Unexplained voices anywhere, oke, she wasn't bad, but I also doesn't felt inspirair or usefull, and doesn't feel really as an individual thing... So, I'm puzzled with her....
do you have dyslexia because i see a few mispellings-
@@kattyani I do not, possibly, but I'll be honest, I did not checked what I wrote, and I'm not native english speaker, so I could have made some mistakes😅
@@benceszilagyi8442 oh its ok i didnt know and i also forgot that non english speakers cant speak proper english either 😭
started crying when i saw the ending. the best written dreamworks movie
I didn't understand the ending😭
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
HOLY SHIT! NEW FAVORITE MOVIE! Handily beat spiderverse! HOW?! CAN’T FUCKIN TELL YOU BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IM A SINGLE SCENE COMMUNICATED MY ENTIRE WORLD VIEW ON MEDIA! Holy hell!
Seriously dude, thank you for getting me to check this out. I can see why you didn’t wanna spoil this. It was a phenomenal experience to go in completely blind.
GAH! I NEED TO WATCH IT AGAIN!
WATCH THIS MOVIE! GO! NOW!
OH Now I see why I havent heard of it aha! You've got me excited for this movie now omg!! 🥳🥳
Just saw it and I can only say two things about it. It was good and what the hell was that?
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
Dreamworks will never FAIL!
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D your name is Dora explora in the name references, so you got school class tomorrow, that you got exam correctly in the name of the or my name is Mr bad boy to you delinquent?, it's about 50 months ago you showed up
This movie is my fave to watch this year in netflix
for me that is a good movie
While the movie wasn't bad and the plot twist very unique, the moment Hypatia self inserts herself into the story took me out from it.
Personally I thought it was cool to see that he was telling the story to his daughter and I expected this scene to be revisited after the story ended. But instead they kept coming back to the future, each time feeling less interesting and more unnecessary, to the point that the daughter inserted herself into the plot and it felt really awkward and bad, like if I was suddenly watching a fanfic, not an actual well made story. How can I be invested in the story if in the movie itself they let you know again and again that the story is not even real in their world, that its just a bedtime story, full of plot holes. It had a great begging, okay middle story and mediocre ending for me.
It was awkward, but that was the point. It's a father bonding with his daughter and having fun. It didn't matter if the story was full of plot holes. What mattered was Orion helping Hypatia make sense of the big, confusing things in life.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I had been waiting for this film for months and wow, it's worth the wait
In the sea of kids animations, I must say the writing is truly brilliant. Unfortunately, the framing device and the ambitious writing itself are the ones that polarize the public opinions between "Clever writing" and "Messy/Overcomplicated writing".
I'm definitely on the "Clever writing" side, and I really wish more people appreaciated this film in that regard
I want to watch cartoons to have fun not stress
This movie was amazing.
Random click of the day well-rewarded.
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But lemme guess, the big thing you're dancing around has something to do with Cancer, Treatments that could induce Out-Of-Body Experiences, and Greater Existential Fears of Death. I know it's the cliche, but I'm super-curious now.
there's no way this was made for the generation's kids 😭
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I appreciate this movie a lot
i miss pajama sam.
I watched this movie today and I loved it
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
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Another Dreamworks classic
It's not a classic
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
just saw the movie amazing once again dreamworks and netflix out does disney
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
What the hell was that messily cut and random intro
Dreamworks does it again, loved the movie! Yeah i was questioning it at first but as it it kept going i fell in love with it more. It reminded me of what Pixar used to be, great storytelling and smart writing
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
@@DORAisD34D Holy Shit stop fucking spamming.
It’s really good
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
I'm watching this movie right now and I think it's genuinely awful, haven't watched your video yet
I watch the movie and it's good but there's problems with it I don't like the part when the dark just literally kills himself and the world doesn't have Darkness anymore and it gets even more confusing apparently it's a story by Orion and was story true or was it just a dream and it was false advertising i thought the story would be Orion would overcome his fears and it's not even a great adaptation to book
The movie sucked cause they never did anything with the sally plot and the end was so booty
I liked Orion and the Dark despite its confused, convoluted and complicated plot.
The only part of the movie i enjoyed was when hypatia said “quiet is for people to be heard” or something like that during her poem. That, and a few funny scenes. Other than that, the movie was trying to say something, but literally said nothing. Does it want us to be walking alone at night?! It turns night and suddenly everyone stops fighting, making noise, and no traffic? He’s scared of touching the water because there may be sharks (which is a valid reason to be scared), and then he STICKS HIS ENTIRE HEAD IN MOVING WATER?!! That’s stupid
At least the movie has a subtle commentary on the natural balance between light and darkness, and believable animosity between the personified Dark and Light. Somehow, Adult Orion reminded me of Ryan Reynolds.
Dreamworks is not better than disney
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I'm not lying
Have you seen it.@@gablit-gt8kk
@@gablit-gt8kkyour bluffing right?
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