How Reddit Became the Enemy - w/ Apollo Developer Christian Selig
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2023
- Reddit done goofed. Reverting on 15 years of developer and community goodwill, the company is now charging unsustainable prices for API access with an unrealistic implementation period. Apollo, and many other iOS/Android Reddit clients are at jeopardy of ceasing to exist within just a few weeks. I speak with Christian Selig (former Apple intern turned star indie dev) on why and how Apollo's $20M API maintenance fees are a no-go and how Reddit's changes will make the site worse for everyone.
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Hi! First off, this video is very _my face_ heavy. Zoom is stupid and did not record dual video streams so I have half as many shots of Christian as I do of myself and so there’s not many side-by-side shots where we both talk cause Zoom would flip away from Christian to me 🤦♂️. Tried my best!
Second, I ain’t doing timestamps. Was up until 3AM editing this but timestamps are needed! Whoever does the nicest ones will receive my eternal love. Thanks, y’all!
I’ve noticed that in good interviews both the interviewer and interviewed individual are recording locally and then share videos with each other and edit it together. This is great when the connection is choppy over zoom because you still get high quality footage.
your sacrifice of getting this out as quickly as possible by editing until 3 am is appreciated! Thanks for bringing more attention to this!
This was a really good interview that got me interested in your channel. Great work.
Hello Quin, I have found using Riversive to record podcasts or interviews like works really well! Great video and awesome interview.
I will accept this task… brb in 48mins
0:00 Introduction to reddit cost cutting
1:31 Interview w Christian begins
3:04 History of Apollo and 3rd party apps
5:08 Christian’s relationship with Reddit
6:28 Reddit’s API announcements
8:19 Reddit’s early conversations with Christian
9:14 Discussing Reddit’s reasoning for API charges
11:08 Reddit’s announcement on developers abusing API limits
13:57 API and pricing explained
17:38 How many requests Apollo makes
18:47 Comparing to Imgur API costs
20:13 Justifying Reddit’s fees
21:43 What’s the problem with Reddit’s monetisation?
22:48 Christian breaks down Reddit’s revenue
24:48 Making national headlines
25:38 Reddit goes on the defensive
26:20 Apollo’s current charges
28:47 Reddit calls out Apollo
29:20 Explaining notification requests
31:21 Discussing Apollo’s efficiency
33:29 Discussing Reddit’s data
34:20 The Reddit app’s own API data
35:21 Similar story with Twitter
35:49 The problem with Reddit’s timeline
38:32 What will happen to Apollo and users
39:57 Reddit’s attitude changes
41:15 NSFW content restrictions
43:42 Shout out to r/chairsunderwater
44:37 Other missing API content ie Polls
45:26 Loosing trust with developers
47:13 Christian’s final plea
48:15 Wrap up
Don't forget 39:38 - Cat
@@graphicstrategist Can't have a video about Reddit without cat.
I’ve quit, can’t condone this behaviour at all.
Cheers, mate.
I listened to this interview because I was hoping there would be talk of switching to Lemmy or something. Keep your Apollo app. Support as much reddit content as you can afford and just have the reddit side of your app go dark with a popup explaining what's going on, then show the vast universe of federated communities via Lemmy instances. Lurking is allowed
Reddit disgraces their late co-founder Aaron Swartz, advocate for openness and accessibility of information... who literally wrote about why an API is so important.
God bless his soul.
Such a kind person.
Massive loss
Aaron Swartz was a genius and he'd be rolling in his grave if he saw the state of the internet today. he was persecuted for believing in freedom of information and open access to knowledge and i guess big corp learnt nothing from him, except that markdown is sick for writing technical documentation
his death was preventable, fuck the big cats. RIP a legend
@An Obscure Tenet that's like, your opinion man
Let's be real, it's not liek these 3rd party apps can't afford the costs, they rake in millions every month.
@@BoleDaPole majority of them are indie developers, i doubt that paying for api will ever leave them with personal savings, afaik most of them do it from their own pockets
The fact that Apollo is being killed by Reddit less than a month after Apollo was mentioned BY NAME (and shown on screen multiple times) during WWDC is insane.
Yes, movie theaters are killing movie goers by requiring they show tickets, jeez, how dumb do you have to be to think that
Not to mention that your Apple point is entirely nonsensical, like what is Reddit co supposed to do, come up with an exception because Apple showed a logo, omg
Christian used to work for Apple and Apollo originated during that time. So Apple love Apollo a bit extra for that reason.
@@madhavagrawal8303 eh, he was an intern almost a decade ago. I would be surprised if they had that much loyalty
Apple should buy Apollo, the have the money.
@@jdmontes2009 that would not help , the API would still belong to Reddit
"I hate all social media, but leave me RUclips and Reddit" well, that sentence gets two words less if I am forced to use the official client
I feel like I'm the only one on the planet who accesses everything through the browser instead of apps lol.
@@abadenoughdude300 well if old reddit is removed you won't even be able to do that!
Oh grow up. Just use the official client and stop whining.
@@danceyrselfkleen sure, when the bloody fix it.
@@danceyrselfkleen okay, as soon as it isn't absolute fucking ass to use. Third party apps make better use of screen space, have more features, and operate much more smoothly than the official reddit app. Just because it's "official" doesn't mean it's the best thing to use, and choice is important to a lot of people
This is literally EXACTLY what Twitter did. One day they're going to announce that all apps violate their TOS. Which TOS? The one they'll update the following day.
They’re allowed to change their policies, it is their app after all 😂
@simkitten but the content is given by users of their app
@@rahulpatil3942 that means nothing to me
@@rahulpatil3942 where would you put said content if there wasn’t an app? No where. So what I’m saying is, cope I guess.
@@simkitten166 damn, do you lick everybody's boots like that?
Hopefully Reddit will fix this price because I will quit Reddit if I can’t use Apollo
Same here. No Apollo, no Reddit
Same here. Without Apollo Reddit will become garbage like other social media services.
Reddit probably doesn't care about you quitting. If you aren't viewing ads you aren't making reddit money, just costing them money
Same I refuse to use the official app. It’s full of NFTs, ads and uses no gestures
I use stealth and if they axed it i just use my pc instead.
Apple themselves favor Apollo vs the official Reddit app, Apollo is on demo iPhones during presentations and advertising, and last years WWDC presentation by Craig Federighi had Apollo on the iPhone being showed off.
Good to see you interviewing Christian, seeing major news outlets cover this and the outpouring support for third party apps is wonderful to see. Hopefully Reddit backtracks when this is being universally despised by everyone.
It was on multiple screens during this year’s WWDC (WWDC23) 😁
I felt like Apple did as an intentional nudge to Reddit
It's also easy to see why, though. Apollo is a prime example of what an iOS app should be, at least in terms of design language. Plus, it's a very popular one.
Meanwhile the reddit app is just... there.
@@crn8 nah, Christian said those showcases have been created well in advance.
Apollo is one of the few apps on iOS that feel so consistent with the design guidelines that it almost feels like I’m using a native iOS app made by Apple. Really amazing stuff by the developer.
I called it. The second they announced they went public, I knew this would happen. Expect an NSFW ban too. Every time a company that makes a product that I use goes public, I go: _"It's over!"_ now...
They're being greedy and it will be the downfall of the platform.
It's Apollover :(
NSFW Ban? Reddit will cease to exist. Tumblr is like Montana right now. Who the hell even lives in Montana and what is there? No one knows and no one wants to know.
yeah the API botch is not even the tip of the ice-berg, NSFW is where the real crux of the situation is lol.
going public just means they finally found a way to shit on their users/ make bank of their loyal users.
As a day 1 Pro and Ultra lifetime subscriber, I can say that the £20 I dropped on it is the best value for money I've ever spent. Been on reddit 10 years but I'll leave if Apollo goes.
Christian has done continuously great work and been heavily involved in the community, and just a normal person about it all. He's a good face to represent and be an ambassador for all the affected third party apps.
Same, grabbed Ultra lifetime as soon as it was available. The beta run of this app convinced me it was easily worth it. It’s awesome, and I’ll be gone if Apollo goes.
No you won't leave
Oh no, what are we gonna do without jake james dougal, oh no 😪😪😪
Thanks for giving Christian a wider reach and hopefully Reddit changes their approach here.
Couldn’t even do a full two bucks dude?
@@danceyrselfkleen God, I hate society. You realize he didn’t have to give any money at all? People really need to learn to be grateful for things. Stop being entitled!
@@ajmrs entitlement has nothing to do with it. There’s literally no good reason to make it $1.99 vs. $2
@@danceyrselfkleenwhere is your donation ding-a-ling?
@@postf4de wow, playground insults? What are you, five?
Worth to mention, Apollo Ultra is $12.99 and not $20.00 as Quinn mentioned multiple times despite Christian corrections. Stay snazzy!
I have been using Apollo since he posted on r/Apple for beta testers. He’s been an amazingly polite, friendly, and community oriented developer who always listens to us and tries to give us what we want, if it’s good for Apollo. Whether that’s new icons, themes, the ability to upload to imgur in the comment box, and many other features. I used to use Alien Blue, then when Reddit bought it I switched. I’ve tried the official app, but it’s horrible. I won’t go back to it. I really hope they offer him a fair price for their API, because he should be paying for it IMO. But it needs to be fair.
I bought a Dino Spoon and Sloth T-shirt from his merch store, the shirts are such great quality lol.
The dev guy is so nice for being so royally screwed😭 hope this man can figure something out
By Reddit's argument, Reddit should be paying a majority of its revenue to end users, because ultimately Reddit is dependent on the community for all of its content, a large portion of the moderation, etc.
Yeah, they’re making money on scrapping bots to train ChatGTP and so on, so us the users would like to bill them per character.
Remember when Digg died due to greed? Seems like Reddit is about to have the same fate.
Reddit about to Digg their own grave
Reddit. RAR BG. General state of corporate gaming etc etc. Internet's prime, from those of us who view it as it's prime and didn't grow up with it being just another corporate tool is far and long gone
The difference is, when digg failed, Reddit was already very established and popular, poised to take their place. What's going to replace Reddit?
@@rpm10k. I couldn't say. I'd probably just not use something similar to it at all, as I haven't found a suitable replacement. Guess I'd just do more work or go outside more 😂
@@Rexxxed my manager is going to love it if they kill third party apps, because they're how I've used Reddit for well over a decade. I suspect old Reddit will be going away very soon as well, as my feelings are this is about tracking in addition to profiting of LLM training.
The best sponsor spot ever....but also great conversation and really hope all this attention will bring Reddit to reality.
Sadly their reality is VC reality: making more money than last quarter.
I was actually upset that Sponsorblock had not kicked in until I heard "Your Mom."
@@jmwilsoNDsame lmao
I was adamant on not usuing reddit for a long time because i had this weird loyalty to other user generated news/content sites. I was really bummed when reddit was known as the digg killer but digg made all the wrong choices right before the fall. It wasn't until the last few years i started using reddit more heavily to find info i needed to fix my car, honest reviews about very niche products and even news.
But digg was shit
I love Apollo, it has been my reddit app since I switched to iOS. I think the decision to charge ridiculous amounts for the API is a way for them to move everyone to their app, mine data on their users and serve the ads they want to. As much as I would like to believe this would be reversed I truly believe this is an intentional move to clear competition.
Though I use Readder as my Reddit client of choice, not Apollo, it's important to underline that the issues at hand affect us all as users, regardless of our preferred client.
A diverse, vibrant ecosystem of applications and interfaces is absolutely essential to Reddits original and ongoing success. Each client contributes a unique perspective and helps keep Reddit such a dynamic platform.
This is where the importance of a reasonable, accessible API comes into play. It forms the backbone of this ecosystem, enabling a variety of clients to interface effectively with Reddit's infrastructure. By ensuring that the API remains open, intuitive, and capable, Reddit can foster an environment that encourages innovation and keeps the platform fresh and engaging for all users.
Regardless of whether you're using Readder, Apollo, or any other client, we all have a vested interest in maintaining the vitality of this ecosystem. A robust and reasonable API isn't just good for Reddit or its developers, it's good for us, the users. It empowers us with choices and options that can tailor our Reddit experience to suit our individual needs and preferences. This diversity is something we should all champion.
Exactly. I'm an android user, so I had never even heard of Apollo until this whole situation, but we have a wealth of 3rd Party Apps. Every 3rd party app developer ive seen has said they will not be able to pay these api costs. This change kills it for all of us, regardless of platform or app.
Imagine if they also championed that diversity in ideas 🤣
I used Sync for years before switching to iOS, and have been using Apollo since. Reddit is just straight up evil for instantly killing these fantastic third party apps.
When Apple is the benchmark for fairness, you know there's something very messed up. But going further, as Apple is the middleman and this kind of things is unfortunately more common than it should be, App Store rules could protect this small devs that make the iOS App Store unique in first place, but also prevent their lost portion with something like: if you are a app store developer and your service gives APIs that other app store apps rely own, you must follow this rules of fair chance of terms in other to prevent refunds on OUR platform.
Great interview, Snazzy. Christian explained how APIs work really well and he’s totally right about this new policy: borderline ridiculous, at least from a consumer / developer side. It’s clearly revenue-focused ONLY. Waiting for him to make a Mastodon reader just as great as Apollo :)
If Ivory is anything to go by, Christian would have to charge through the nose if he made a Mastadon client (that, or Ivory is horribly overpriced)
I don’t think Ivory is overpriced, I just don’t really like it as much in terms of design as Apollo or a hypothetical Mastodon client which looks and feels like Apollo
@@spencercarruth9706. Why? He doesn’t have to charge any more than he does for Apollo, Mastodon’s API is fully open. The cost just covers his server costs, salary, and overhead.
Or a Lemmy client. Lemmy is a federated reddit alternative
Great interview! I really feel like this is simply a push to move users to the official Reddit app, and essentially remove all the third party apps. The short time-frame, the lack of thought to the execution(existing commitment to users from existing third party apps, lack of features such as polls to paying users, etc), combined with relatively higher pricing all point to an attempt to remove the third party ecosystem entirely, without actually coming out and removing the third party ecosystem. All to pad numbers for an IPO.
Also them removing all access to posts and subreddits marked NSFW is also really obviously a push to move users to the official app.
Nice birdy 😅
I wonder if this will be Reddit's Digg v4 moment
I've been using RIF for years. Without that I will not be using reddit anymore as the official app, and all that it brings, is an abomination.
Thank you for having this conversation! This was a great conversation and Apollo is the only reason I got hooked on reddit. Keep up the snazzy videos.
I don't understand how Reddit couldn't make a special license key and pricing tier specifically for third-party apps like Apollo that help popularize the site. But then again, that would require introspection and a deft hand, something silicon valley jackasses aren't known for...
Because they actually want to kill 3rd party apps
I’m hoping that Apollo will just make its own platform
If they had 20 million dollars a year, I’m sure they can come up with something and more than what Reddit can provide.
It might become a Lemmy client if they want to
Lemmy.
I never paid for Ultra, but I would pay Christian directly just to cover the costs that would put him in the red… i‘m sure many people would do that. Such an awful thing to do from Reddit, its really messed up.
But you’re not paying Christian: that money goes to Huffman.
@@halberdier25 what do you mean? if I knew christians paypal or gofundme, that goes to him
@@florianaigner9738 why not just buy ultra then as a one-time thing even if you know that it’ll be useless by the end of the month?
If anybody wants to support him, he opened a Tip Jar in the Apollo app. And yes, I would keep using the app and gladly pay extra on top of my lifetime subscription just to help him, if that was an option. Sadly, it seems Reddit just wants to kill all 3rd party apps so everybody will go to the official app, where user interaction can be monetized better.
I found out about Apollo through one of your older videos, and have used it for hours each day since. This is a really large blow if Reddit goes this route, and sadly it would mean I wouldn't use it bc the desktop version sucks, and the app somehow sucks even more. Apollo is the best :'(
What an awesome, nice guy. I'm paying for Apollo Pro, and maybe Ultra (unless Ultra puts you in a worse position), this month just because of this video even though I just use it like once a month (not a frequent reddit user at all 🙌
I bet reddit themselves were scrambling to make these changes due to an edict from up high that wanted this done in x number of days. That is probably why it makes so little sense.
This is doubly ironic since, at one time, their official app was actually a third-party client called Alien Blue that they bought in 2014.
He mentioned that near the start of the video...
@@kodeytheneko And judging by the likes, most people didn't hear it.
Really nice of my mother to sponsor Snazzy Labs
I sorta wonder if he added lemmy support quickly as a secondary thing, and then pushed ultra users to use that instead of his bill would be significantly smaller. Give the people a better option, and they’ll naturally want to use it. Not that lemmy is all so great right now, but with such an influx of users if he did that, it might be a feasible solution.
Redditor for 11 years, Mod for almost 7 years in a community that I grew from 4 to 6 figures.
The writing has been on the wall for a very long time, the reddit that we built is gone. The reddit that really was _the frontpage of the internet_ while still being a unique vibrant space for all types of users and communities. With an emphasis on uniqueness & individuality, as well as community and supporting each other, with an emphasis on quality content & conversation.
The death of 3rd party apps is the death of that reddit, all that remains is Reddit the social media company whose userbase only sees it as just another app for memes and general low-value internet stuff.
I'm not deleting my account, as I can still recognize there's no replacement for many of the things that are on the site. But I will most definitely stop browsing at all, the new experiences are crap but most importantly: encourage crap production and consumption. This has been an issue since New Reddit became the default, and removing 3rd party support is definitely killing that off for good.
Great work Quinn. Justice for Christian and Apollo.
Man, I don't use 3rd party apps as I'm a desktop user but this is really alarming writing on the wall. Which has been on the wall for years, it's just now Reddit has gone over the words with a blood and flame colored highlighter, to make it terribly obvious that RES and old reddit are also in the crosshairs.
I believe they’ve specifically said the next thing they will be working on removing is old-Reddit, for much the same reason
11:40 I'm pretty sure the service "pushshift" is/ was one of the "apps" on that graph.
Pushshift was a very neat thing that pretty much archived all of reddit, from posts to comments and made it easily searchable.
Pushshift was used in research and many moderation teams depended heavily on it. The normal Reddit API has a limit that only allows seeing the 1000 most recent posts or comments per query (so, if I want to see all comments a user has made, Reddit only allows me to see their 1000 most recent ones) and filtering out bad apples who did stuff in the past or finding out people who copy other posts or comments was made possible through pushshift.
Reddit tried to reach out to the dev behind it, but apparently he has some serious private issues at the moment and so Reddit just pulled the plug.
No Apollo - no Reddit. It's that simple.
Man, reddit app is trash.
Without third-party apps I can see many people will just leave the platform.
The website is buggy as hell, the app gets stuck all the time... There is really no good way to surf reddit with the official ways.
And I see no dev paying the crazy prices..
They either fall back or they’re going to lose a lot of users
And their admins are ESL speakers with no knowledge of the nuances of the English language.
FReddit.
I can’t believe my mom sponsored this video, totally not what I expected from her
im an android user and someone who adapts but I don't think I'd use reddit's official app. i love sync for reddit..
Appreciate the long video Mr. Snazzy! I was hoping there would be an interview somewhere, even better that it’s here
As a developer myself I'm HUGELY infuriated by that FlyingLaserTurtle comments about Apollo's inefficiency. Fist of all, who the fuck is him to say that? I've got to know many "tech leads" that give their wrong vision and say dumb shit due to the lack of knowledge on the field somebody else is working on (software development is an immense field with tons of ramifications). And is brutal to say it publicly, without ever giving any feedback to Christian. I took kinda took that personally and I'm impressed by how he's handling it.
Also by doing this their trust has shattered. I'm disgusted by this whole situation.
yeah, its like a teacher punishing their best student for the actions of few unruly students
I moderate a few indie band subreddits, they each only have a couple thousand users but i will absolutely drop reddit if third party apps get canned. I keep the main app around strictly for mod notifications and it feels like a completely different website that i would never use otherwise.
This is probably my favorite Snazzy video. And I don’t even use Apollo; but have been a Reddit user since the beginning. Thank you for how you handled this interview. Really well done.
Thank you so much for covering this, Quinn. Such an important issue for so many.
I pay for Apollo Ultra just to support Christian. I don’t even need the features.
These app devs for Apollo, rif, BaconReader etc need to band together and go all in on supporting Lemmy. Continue supporting Reddit through your app to your limited budget, and as soon as the Reddit functionality ends for the month or whatever just give the user a popup explaining why with links to contact Reddit admins to complain, as well as ushering them into the process of lurking for free in the Lemmy communities with tutorials on joining an instance. From what I can tell, lurking on Lemmy and across federated instances is free and requires zero account.
*Something that has not been talked about -- what about those of us that paid for the Lifetime Ultra license years ago? Definitely sucks* :/
Great interview. Absolutely love Apollo and Christian’s work. What a slap in the face of the people that make Reddit what it is today
Now I feel like the criminal since I paid for Apollo Ultra at launch for £19.99 in return for lifetime access 😅
Thank you Christian, Apollo was truly the best…
"How Reddit Became the Enemy".... it always has been.
I hate that Reddit wants an IPO. It's losing some of it's best parts because of that. Money sucks man.
Gotta love social media.
“Hey, lets create a hyper addictive platform.”
“Woah, you guys are using it too much!”
I will be deleting my 8 year old Reddit account at the end of the month. RIP Apollo.
I’m using Stellar on macOS. We’re in the same boat with all the 3rd party apps.
Hope they fix this or I am done with Reddit.
I paid for Apollo Ultra Lifetime, I expect Christian to go into bankruptcy for delivering me the Reddit experience I demand. /s
I’m convinced we need a SnazzyPodcast now. QuinnCast.
this interview was fantastic for understanding and at the same time it's depressing as fuck to see how reddit is treating these developers -- some of the language in these communications, the logical fallacies with the api request efficiency accusations, the attitude on Reddit's part just blows. it absolutely stinks. who in the hell will want to do business with a company like that??
I've been subscribed for a while now, and I realized today that I hadn't seen one of your videos in months! I looked you up to make sure you hadn't deleted your channel and saw you still upload regularly, despite RUclips not showing me your videos - has this happened with any other subscribers? You have over 1M subs so I'm surprised you're not popping up on my homepage at all 🤔
Hopefully after I catch up on some of your recent vids, youtube will see that I enjoy this channel and It'll keep me updated from now on lol
Thank you for creating this and platforming Christian and allowed him to speak directly to what’s going on. I’ve been an Apollo user for years and love it. If his planned cessation of service carries through, I’m going to be using the platform a lot less.
It’s a shame really. Alien blue was great. The native app is workable but buggy. Apollo was so slick and streamlined switching back to the native app feels like trying to prep dinner with a butter knife after you’ve been using a finely honed chef’s knife in a professional kitchen all day. Probably a bad analogy but it felt right to me.
I will not use Reddit without Apollo, period. I’ve been on Reddit for 10 years, and I will close my account and delete my posts if Reddit follows through with their announcement. I understand that running Reddit costs money, but the prices they announced are just obscene.
Downloaded Apollo based on recommendation in your last Mac apps video. Was really enjoying using it till its imminent death was announced merely 48 hours later.
I can’t help but feel responsible somehow 😅
I've read what he said on r/Apollo and I think your video gives a whole new insight into what happened, bravo!
REALLY enjoyed this video. Defenetly would want more of such interviews - Maybe with a slight better mic and less white noise, but was still hella fun to watch.
Is that a system76 Mira/Major/Mega in the background?
I don’t get why they came up with a flat fee. If you want to monetize access ok, but why not cut in on revenue streams like premium access and such with a percentage? Small platforms could continue for free and bigger ones could just slightly increase premium pricing and continue as usual.
There are lots of things that would have made more sense than what they did. For example, they could have limited API access to Reddit Premium users, so they’re assured a revenue stream, and it wouldn’t have killed 3rd party clients completely. But these changes are just completely tone deaf.
This is a f*** you pricing
- Louis Rossman -
Wonderfully conducted interview! Subscribed!
Reddit is by far the most unstable app I was using regularly. Screwing over third parties
Great to see Snazzy spreading the news
Thank you for bringing this out on your channel!
Thank you so much for this interview! It really brings a new perspective into the picture
Christian is so incredibly talented
This was an excellent rundown of the situation. Thank you!
Apollo is what got me into Reddit. The official app is hot garbage and I’ll just stop using it if this goes through.
I kinda agree on the "Reddit, do better". I am a user since it's early days and only peeked every now and then into the official app. I used Reeder, Slide, Apollo,... Most of the time one app to browse and another one that can filter searches by media type, because sometimes I am looking for a meme and all those video and text posts would be in the way. Hoppe Christian can figure out what to do next, his app is really god
this is the definition of "Bite the hand that feeds you"
This is your best video I’m years. Super interesting and something so important it needs a wider audience to know what’s going on.
Shout out to my mom for sponsoring this video!
Cool to see Seth Rogen sitting down to talk with the Apollo dev about this whole thing.
We need a new place that stays open and true to the community
The official reddit app on my iphone I used about 30-45 minutes a day at my old work where there was no wifi we were allowed to use. It would use about 23gb of my 25gb limit in less than 3 weeks and the last 2 would be used on other things like Spotify driving to and from work. Then I would have to buy extra data. I found Apollo because I found this ridiculous. It changed from reaching limit 18-20 days into the month to not even reaching half at the end of the month using Apollo.
I really wonder how Reddit is so slow on the website and is so damn inefficient and slow on their official app, but Apollo and other third party apps just do what they're supposed to do so much better. look. A 2 man team for Apollo, him and his friend that takes care of server creates a better app than Reddits 1800 employee team does. I know not all 1800 are developers, but still 1 developer makes a better app than reddit can.
Now they're destroying the third party apps, that just means there will be a big flood of users going to some form of alternative platform. It's like facebook after like 2013 or 2014 where the site slowly changed from being a network of communities that centers around the user and they can set it up to see what they want to see + a few adds to what it is today. 99% ads in form of direct ads, promoted posts, suggested content, reels you might like, people you don't know but has similar opinions and then 1% of the posts are from your network. Facebook was good to use when it wasn't such a disaster platform that it is now. Seems like reddit is going down the same route and is gonna destroy the platform.
im been using relay app for years, i dont think ill browse reddit anymore if alternate clients stop working.
I used to use Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Reddit and Instagram in 2016-2019 for hours a day (only had them because of family/friends) until I used it too much. Then in 2018 I got rid of Facebook, then Snapchat in 2019, Twitter in 2020 and Reddit in 2022. I only have RUclips and Instagram.
I never thought about apps and apis in that way, don't know appollo, but this video was very interesting! Thank you! I hope it works out for them somehow
Reddit is Fun was great when I was on Android. Once I switched to Apple I started using Apollo and don't think I could go back to anything else. If Apollo has to be shuttered I'm probably just not using Reddit on mobile any more.
Please use this opportunities to convert Apollo into reddit competition.
Really enjoyed this style of video. Hope you do more like it.
I'm paying for the Apollo Ultra option, mainly to support Christian and his continued development of the Apollo app. I usually select single developer or really small scale developed apps since it's often a way better deal with a much more user-responsive team behind them. I would not be paying the same amount just to line Reddits coffers!
Anybody else miss the days when there was no official Reddit or Twitter app
RIP Apollo. You'll be missed.
Awesome Vid Snazzy - Thanks for bringing in C. Selig 🙏 and the awesome conversation.
Time to join in the CJ Chorus 🤦 "Aaahhh, $**t Here we go again ☹️" Freedoms being bought off the internet 😮💨
im so glad your mom sponsored you!
I think there is one other thing to consider - even if Christian does figure out a way to raise prices, remove free users and pay the costs to reddit...there is no guarantee that 6 months from now they don't change their mind and bump the price again. Or introduce some new feature to the reddit app and not add it to the paid API. And if that happens, then each per-user subscription will be 2-3x what they originally were, and he could be on the hook for refunds for even higher amounts via Apple if he isn't able to continue service...So even playing by reddits rules everything becomes even higher stakes.
This is a great interview. Because of what Reddit did to Apollo though, I've already deleted their official app, the Apollo app and unsubscribe from their emails. I hope Reddit burns in hell.
good video, what did he say at the end? snazzy, DIY perks and who? curious about a potential new youtuber to watch.
and good video!
Xlya Foxlin. Don't worry, I didn't know who she was either.
@@jboomhauer thanks 🙏