I’m not trying to spread hate btw. I’m just expressing my ideas about this topic. I know people are tired of hearing about it, but I just wanted to break it down for people who didn’t understand why there’s so much hate. Also if you would like to join the discord: discord.com/invite/the-portex-space-station-849750171243249694
2:05, Same, they for sure are and is likely, as they were, and probably still are, good friends. They are probably trying to grow both there games together and maybe the copy/hate comments were wanted from them as it spreads more awareness to the TD community and people might find their games that way. But I'm probably overthinking it - lvl 120 in TDX and 280 in TDS
I was gonna just leave a meme comment but this is actually a very nuanced take on the whole situation. The fact that the audience of both these games are generally very young really hurts the discussion around them. It feels like the discussion of copying kind of just turned into "TDS vs TDX" with fans on both sides trashing the other for no real reason, and being toxic and arguing about arguments. When the drama was at its peak with the power-up stuff it should've been pretty obvious that TDS didn't copy, because they physically couldn't have. If memory serves correctly they posted their first power-up leak like, a few hours after TDX posted theirs. There is literally no way they could've seen the TDX leak, and made their own power-up system within a few hours. That is just straight up impossible. Not to mention that would just be an incredibly stupid plan LOL as shown by the amount of backlash they got. I genuinely just think that some of the admittedly similar updates came out near to each other through pure, weird coincidence. Anyways the two games are chill now so hopefully the communities can calm down a bit too. Although I admit I'm surprised you didn't mention how both TDS and TDX clearly copied Furry Tower Defense in this video, I guess you must've ran out of script-time?
When looking for comments about this for the video, I realize that they were very few long essay comments but instead they were mostly just small replies and one sentence comments that started the whole argument, which is kind of interesting to see because I’m assuming people just wrote the sentence without thinking and let it be kind of interesting and I do agree that I think both communities will chill out Also, I didn’t want to drag furry tower defense into it because the community is ferocious, can’t be messing with them 🤯
They had patient zero concepted way before predator. I'm not kidding, after i posted the image to prove it, the people in the server got me falsely muted 💀💀
I dont really know the devs of the both games but isnt john left liek the development team of the tds? No wait he wasnt even a developer who am i kidding
Unironically, the brawler just gives the feeling of pat fusty. High damage slow attacking on early levels. High damage fast attacking on the later levels with stunning.
@@Denomrix just because BTD6 isn’t a roblox game or somewhat. Doesn’t mean that it heavily inspired said Roblox games in the video. A better example to this would be the Roblox games entrenched and centaura. Who took inspiration from BF1.
Because it would invalidate them, they want to believe that TDX is completely original. I remember pointing out how it’s similar to TDS’s sledger, they said that John took inspiration and that below and John are still friends. Keep in mind, these are the same people who said that John and below had a falling out and called everything tds for copying everything from TDX
Slammer and sledger are different, starting from the hammer equipment and wha they do, slammer use electric huge hammer in the path 2 and a huge hammer in path one with less stun but op ability that can burn and stun bosses or anything for3 seconds, slammer does not contantly burn,unlike sledger@@Atmxx1002
I don't complain about towers being copied anymore, but the one thing I still find myself complaining about is that in my opinion, tds is overrated while tdx and doomspire defense are both underrated I loved the doomspire defense stream, Counter!
i've always found the discussion "tds is copying tdx" extremely stupid, especially considering the fact that there is evidence proving otherwise. for example, back in 2020, tds dev team hinted at a potential consumable system. i also find it annoying that the majority of people that spark these types of arguements are extremely young children that obviously do not know how hard it is to maintain relevancy on a video game platform like roblox, or maintaining a game in general.
you had one single extremely weak example and it wasn't even really hinted and nothing was known about it and it was literally four years ago and they just had to release it days after TDX did
@@MaoZedowner bro 💀tdx released a leak of the consumables, and then 3 hours later tds did YOU CANT FUCKING MAKE A WHOLE ASS CONSUMABLES SYSTEM IN 3 HOURS
Great video! As a td game developer it’s really stressful trying to “think outside the box” with ideas that may result in people from another game trashtalking or harshly criticizing you for “copying”. But that is unfortunately what we the td game community have to deal with because these people think of copy, more than inspiration.
Woah a dev on Evolution Evade and EE2 (at least that what it looks like based off of your channel). I would think you have a good perspective on this because I am 99% sure you have had at least a couple people say “uh you copied this mechanic from this TD game”. I must ask, if you have come across the above issue, do you or did you become bothered by those comments? Did you contemplate on if you would have to completely change a feature? I guess I was wondering perhaps the amount of stress TD devs with games of the size of Evolution Evade have. Don’t answer if you don’t have time because I would figure you are probably busy working on Evolution Evade 2 or catching up on sleep. Anyways hope you have a great day!
i have idea 4 u because yes u can add perks which are mostly original if you do it right but unless you already added them i dont think a td on roblox game has made a aircraft carrier because maybe its in the later eras
i think another thing is how unoriginal and unique games (not just tb based ones) are often the ones who end up dying and rotting at the bottom of the discovery page "if it aint broke dont fix it" works in a sense that you are simply going for efficiency. But when you make a game, you take a unique spin on an already well-made game idea.
Fun fact:i first play tds in 2020 frost invasion,and so 2021 eclipse event,from there i start playing more the game,until the people who says "TDS is trash","TDS copy TDX",and more,that makes me so angry of how people are influensed by strangers or toxic people,but people like you,corso,elite,and like that are very calm of this. I just want people from TD games to don't fight each other😔
TTD? Do you mean that slop that barely even works? Yep i wonder why the hell it even exists in the first place.. It just makes the whole TD community look bad..
If you didnt know who i was talking about, the guy i was replying to who’s comment was deleted are the bots whom of which says something along the lines as “MY CHANNEL IS BETTER THAN {whatever channel they are commenting on}”
I mean In my opinion at some point a game can become the baseline for what's expected. I mean like If your making a TD game you will inevitably copy BTD but at that point BTD has just become the golden standard, the baseline, the groundwork for what a TD game should be.
Im gonna settle this, they didn’t copy eachother, its almost impossible for td games to make original stuff, so to sum it up, they just remix each other’s ideas
As a guy who switched from Tower Battles to TDS, Commander isn't the guy who gives firerate to towers. It's DJ giving discounts and firerate buff meanwhile Commander gives range buff. Yes designs might look almost same but they are not same at all. So we can't say TDS completly copied Tower Battle's commander. And endportex, thanks for knowing difference between copying and being inspired.
@@SavasciAga1 Base commander gave a range boost Lvl 2 gave a fire rate boost After that, the next levels gives the following abilities: (From lvl3 to lvl5) COA APC Airstrike
Really solid video, only thing that id correct is Below and John being friends. There is evidence to suggest that a few weeks ago, they were definitely unhappy with each other about the "copying situation". The two things that suggest this is John slandering TDS and (indirectly) encouraging his fans to hate the game by calling it out for copying TB. Also, a dev said "John and Below have now settled their differences" so at some point recently they were not friends. But yeah this situation is absurd, and so ironic how fans whine when the other one takes inspiration but denies how their game has done the same thing.
If we are talking about games that was inspired by other games, I'd say doomspire defense was inspired by tds and tdx, doomspire defense has an advisor like tdx and the spawn tower in doomspire defense is like the elf camp tower in tds as both towers can spawn a boss, the spawn in doomspire defense spawns in the sword master boss at max level while the elf camp in tds spawns in the ripped elf boss at max level, doomspire defense was inspired by tds and tdx
@thecashier7074 doomspire defense is a very good game, also I played doomspire defense with counter a tdx content creator who is gonna play different tower defense games, also I met Veen the dev of doomspire defense and it was on a stream too
The problem is that at first it was just going to be a one time project, below wasn't serious about it. But after that he began updating it more and more with stuff from tb to generate revenue, which planet did not gave permission. But I do think tds is trying to replace all the stuff that they copied from tb with reworks (except for the commander reworks which is questionable)
I love this video for how in-depth it goes and how it isn't very biased. The fact that there are still some people making informative videos without the anger or aggression to one side. I was clicking on this starting with an opinion, and was NOT expecting it to be changed. Thank you for genuinely making a great video. Love your vids!
heyyyyy I'm a long time TDS player and consumables have been leaked in like 2019 - 2020 way before TDX came into existence but this video is very interesting and I never noticed the war between communities
(sips coffee) to me, its cool to see tds and tdx have similiar updates, its not stealing to me, its nice cause i like to see an idea of a nuke or an airstrike in two type of styles, tds is more cartoony, and tdx is more realistic, and i like both games, however, tds could make stuff less laggy 😭
As a fellow player of TDS and having played almost 3 - 4 months and being rank 92 i understand that both games are indeed inspired by each other as the TDX creator actually used to be in TDS trailers and in the beginning a youtuber doing content about TDS, so we can guess the TDS devs are really close to TDX devs because of the past and if it was copied the Devs can claim that the other game copied them and cause a lot of out spark but they never did, and i am not being bias either since I played both games and I found TDX and TDS are very fun and also since these games are made for entertainment and to have fun , it doesn't matter because people have different playstyles and Devs try to make their game for everyone to enjoy , so arguing and claiming that TD games copy each other is ruining others experiences of players who find no fault but TBH both games are awesome and deserve popularity with no backlash and we also have to remember that we falsely claim TD games copy each other not realizing these Devs are spending hours and days making updates that their players would enjoy and the fact we hold backlash against the Devs of the TD games are very disgusting. Especially since we play the game for enjoyment not to judge the games and the similarities
I feel like it’s mostly the TDX side instigating the fighting. They don’t even mention updates like brawler because it would invalidate their point of tds copying everything from TDX
I agree, this fight made me hate TDX for personal reasons. In a video from gazz that talks about TDS leaks, he posted a video about star wars/Tyler talking about a 100 wave mode in TDS in the future, in the comments there were some people saying it was a copy because it had 100 and damn it 4, but the slammer, which is a copy or inspiration (I don't know what it is) was not called a copy by the community of all, which is much larger
As someone who has played tons of different tower defense games, you start to see so many similar ideas with little differences thrown into it. Hell i've seen lots of obscure tower defense games that had unique tower mechanics that got added to the bigger ones months to years after the smaller one had it. Nobody talks about these though because nobody cares about the smaller games as they don't play it. The real problem is the formula the td genre follows. While some may put a spin on it with a unique mechanic (Good examples being Pixel gun TD, World TD, and Another Tower Defense Game just to name a few) most just follow the normal place and upgrade tower to stop enemies following a set path. If more TD devs jus tried to spice up the generic game formula they could make something that really stands out. That's just my opinion as a TD nerd
But, as another TD nerd I must say, there are many possibilities with the standard formula. Evolution Evade, Tower Adventure, Critical Tower Defense, hell even Arena Tower Defense all feel like they show the potential of what is possible with TD games on Roblox and while maybe seeming a bit standard at first, you can see the layers and how deep you can go even with the common TD formula of placing a tower to protect a base.
@Blackfedoraowner Other than tower adventure, I have played all of those, and I will mostly agree. They definitely spice up the standard formula of the genre. However, Arena TD just feels like a roblox version of bloons so it doesn't stand out as much to me. But it's still a step up from the rest.
@QuiltedGinger I've seen it a few times, and it definitely has some pretty good gameplay. I'll probably never play it myself, though, as I find those anime mobile games to be pretty cash grabby.
Thank you so much for making this video! So many people have been going at tds, now everyone knows that both tds and tdx did not copy each other, they got ideas from btt6, which other games such as tb got ideas from. Now the cycle can stop, no one copies each other, they get idea from each other, and show how much they like the ideas that they make it part of their game.
video games are an artform themselfs. they are a mashup of a ton of different artstyles such as music, architecture, gameplay design, ect. it takes a ton of skill to make a video game due to the amount of other skills you need. its hard, yet so worth it if you can pull it off. it could be an engaging, fun masterpeice that moves and inspires you, and stays with you for the rest of time. or that videogame is escape running head like no seriously did that game even exist or was i on acid.
I think it was weird that they both released at the same time with pretty similar content updates but in the end they’re both really fun, and I think nobody should have hard feelings over it
Regarding consumables, I also feel like TDS already had a basis for what it wanted to do regarding those, and I do believe they discuss updates with each other, hence why TDS took a different take on consumables than it originally was, a more TDX approach, which I think is good, because both games can provide ideas to another, which means they can implement better ideas more common!
Is understandable that everyone points out TDS as the ones copying, mostly because of their historial of copying TB since their release. TDS wasn't a planned game, and was a school project 100% based in TB (Or this was the argument back on TDS-TB drama). But on their release the game was almost a copy paste of tower battles with a reskin. Nowadays is a totally different game even if it stills takes inspiration from other games, as you said, 100% originality is impossible to reach.
Hell no,that would just be a flat out stupid idea,its just going to be like ' hey let me gamble 5000 coins away for a chance of getting a mid tower' instead of 'man i saved up 1000 coins for the tower i can buy'
Those communities are cry babies, both communities, bias crap, both games are fantastic I am a tds fan, but tds and tdx are great games, comparing them and saying the other is shit
Sometimes they have to share common ideas together, overall happening in video game industry. It's not like battlefield copied counter strike because they have guns or something🫡that one game is a successor of an old td game and another one is a brand new td game, it's that simple.
I agree with so many things in this video, it’s actually heartwarming to see and feel I’m not the only person who thinks this way about TD games. From the copying vs. heavy/light inspiration argument, the impracticality and impossibility of making a whole new feature 2-3 days after another TD game does the same thing, the connection to art, the lack of appreciation from impulsive kids who don’t understand how hard it is to satisfy thousands upon thousands of people, the debating vs. arguing concept, and so many things in between. Having a more respected person express similar thoughts as mine on a more noticeable canvas than just RUclips comments is so refreshing. I’m no old tower defense player, but I love it so much. It’s my favorite kind of game on any platform. But to see the most prominent figures of the RTD genre in a community vs. community state like this is just disappointed. Almost depressing. The worst part about it is how petty the cause is and how it’s between people who play/have played both games. I truly hope for more attention on this subject in a manner like this. In the end, we all just want an escape from reality, time to spend with loved ones and friends, something to keep us occupied, or something to let us experience a stressless sense of progression. Arguing and creating petty conflicts is drawing away from those things; we’re supposed to be spending our time in this “safe haven” wisely and using it for those things, not arguing on RUclips and in Reddit threads about who’s favorite game “copied” who. We should be playing these games to avoid the same conflicts in the real world. *”Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent." - Carl Sandburg.*
brawler is in wtd (world tower defense) but I doubt that they even played the game wtd long enough to get the tower. So the tds brawler probably wasnt even based on the wtd one.
@@endportex no. wtd is a completely different game from tds, tdx, btd6, or tb, as its map is more open. its more like a zombie/wave survival game with td aspects than a td game. brawler runs to the nearest enemy trying to pick a fight with it. it is futile but cheap. its mad op when at max.
@@moyaiman6491 yeah that's why I said that they probably didn't really even get inspiration from wtd. I can't explain why but for some reason my reply feels rude.
In the worst case of somebody did copy another, at the end of the day who cares both have different gameplay styles and are very different games. it’s like saying skyrim is assassins creeds because “oh well they both story action games that takes place before modern day.” If anything I like they are taking inspiration like this as it leads to light competition and drives devs to make better content.
I honestly like both games, they are unique in some way. I dont mind the "copying" vise versa because they are all free good games with high quality updates and great game design
1:44 John and Below arent really friends anymore. John refers to tds as “the game that keeps copying” and Below has removed john’s avatar from a map (it was an easter egg).
This video helped me understand the issue with tds and tdx, and indeed we should be grateful for such an amazing game the devs of tds and tdx have given us! So the lesson learnt is be grateful, be patient, give your ideas and don't start fights👍
i don't understand why people are mad at games with quality. i love playing both games and i'm pretty sure john only decided to make his game bc he was inspired in some way.
People forgot that the friendship between TDX and TDS, was displayed in each games, I haven't played TDX, I'm just guessing, what I am sure about though, is the fact that Below made an entirely new skin for his so called 'rival'.
i never really cared about tds or tdx making the same updates or similar updates and i still don't. Its truly just whatever you like more , like you said if someone likes tds over tdx their are obviously going to fight for tds vice versa. Just be happy they are releasing updates in the first place (can't wait for tdx collab with tower battles tho)
1:53 This is a rework, but the armored factory in TDX was planned a month ago. I’m generally silent about the concept, the concept came out a year ago.
People also forget to mention the fact that both games are copying the us military 💀. Both games’s vehicles are based off real us military tanks and humvees, such as the m1 Abraham’s tank
It genially makes me sad to see everyone pointlessly bicker over these kinds of updates, the Devs really are trying their best to keep their game afloat, and inspiration is a large contributing factor. As a book author, I sometimes take inspiration from other books and put my own spin on it, and I know for a fact I'm not the only author to do so. So why its suddenly such an issue when TDS or TDX do the same with each other, beats me. My point is that those who pointlessly argue over these updates, needs to realize that inspiration is in everything in the modern world. And even if one copies the other to some degree, I don't see the issue. Since John and Below are good friends, they should be allowed to bounce ideas between each other, and add their own personal ideas as well. My friend will sometimes give me suggestions for my books, and I'll either use them or add them with my own creative spin. Either way, everyone just needs to calm down and let the Devs cook.
Wow, really good video oncthe subject, we all heard smth like "copy !" Or "unoriginal !". As an og tds player (i have swarmer) i grew up with that game, and now seeing arguments of new td games that i enjoy (TDX or back then TBZ) about copying makes me loose my mind, i hope one day the community will be on a same ground and accept idea variants and other insignificant things
I think the entire argument is dumb, I just got recommended this video now and I still see this go on. I prefer TDS as it’s the first one I’ve ever played, but all the other tower defense games I have tried are good in their own ways, and have their own unique quirks and features. There’s only so many ideas you can use that other people haven’t already. We really need to just appreciate all the games for what they are, even if we have one we like to play the most.
You know as a person who plays btd6 tds and tdx this was very interesting because I never thought any of them copied each other because the art style the actually gameplay the towers and the zombies, or bloons
im making a td game that has a lot of things heavily inspired off of TDX features, but the thing is im too worried about people calling it a copy just because i thought a feature was cool so i wanted to add it to my game with a little bit of a twist because i thought it would be fun for the players examples are a powerup system similar to TDX where you buy them in the menu and use them in game, and even gamemodes like endless i worry so much about making my game original that i start getting discouraged to even work on it because of how many of the features in the game are so similar to things that have already been done before in TD games
I personally found it very odd that TDS was updated like 3 days after TDX was updated but I never called TDS copying since it’s ok to be inspired to make a balancing change to a tower or make a new tower in general. Personally a little inspiration is what gets everyone motivated to add a little change with their own twist just like how you said it about Art and RUclips
While it’s true that below and John are both friends, I saw a post on John’s discord revealing that commander from tower battles will be in TDX. At the end, he said something like “im sure hope no other game steals this and claims this as their own” it’s edited to something different now, but in that case he could possibly be joking around
@@PresentYes a tds discord staff talked about below and john talking things out when they released their commander rework, although i can’t really find it anymore
@@yangliu6901 well I kinda just find it weird that none of the 2 confirmed themselves that they are like “yeah we are cool” I feel like John would talk abt it in a video
Honestly both games are different regardless, on the surface they look the Samey but when you think about all the little details, they are different. Like currently TDX is more beginner friendly with the juicy 80% map reward, now less grindy because of the map reward, and speed boost in solo, towers that are good in their own ways and serve their purpose, even featuring 2 paths if you want to improve the other aspect of it promoting some experimentation, smaller difficulty curve splitting it all up in 4, more like 5 game modes having some kind of twist compared to the others, like "you need a lot of splash damage here!" as opposed to "splash damage could be good, but you will probably be fine anyway lol" in TDS, + Way better music lol, unironically makes the game feel "cooler". TDS is just TDS, different art style, higher difficulty curve, more grindy compared to TDX, even high level's don't have any high level game mode for them to grind, just Fallen or "Pizza Party Strat" I have heard about, and the high end towers aren't that op, unless golden skins. (Couldn't find anything more special to say about it.)
this is straight up fax and if there's is any copying its meaningless stuff (example: the map selection skip button called veto in tds and tb) and sure, I did stop playing tds because I think the game got ruined, it doesn't mean they are copying anyone
It really did just boil down to “the updates and leaks were just at the same time, comedically” In terms of Tdx and Tds. It’s fair to have suspicions about it, since literally John had his, but it probably was just timing as again, TDS would’ve had the idea figured in a similar development time as Tdx, not right after they announced it.
few more things to adress: TDX was made because john loved TDS and simply was inspired to make one on its own meaning TDX is technically an fangame making possible "copies" tolarable. after all there is no more "original content" anymore given its all used making something unique way more dificult given they are probably allready made
I also really hate the guy who made that document about everything tds has copied. Did tds take a lot of stuff from tower battles yes. However they aren’t the exact same and tds has been expanding on these ideas and becoming more original. Does commando have a windup like Minigunner no it dosent. Ranger deals splash damage at max level while railgunner dosent. Accelerator has charge up and overcharge while phaser dosent. Does the military base from tb have railgun tanks and an airstrike ability like the military base from tds, no. The dj from tds has yoi switch between multiple different tracks each giving a different buff and also having an ability that does something different based on the buff while the tb dj’s only ability is to temporarily halt enemies. Also not to mention the other original towers from tds such as crook boss, mercenary base, turret and engineer and the other countless event towers. That document I feel was only made to spark another war and was made out of spite against tds. To whoever made that document, move on, that war is over and everyone else has moved on. Anyways thanks for joining me on my little rant.
i agree with this,but there are still a LOT of ideas for a game they haven't taken account for. Like tower perks, most td games don't have those and either or both can make them, the system isn't very complicated to work out, because there are still a few games with perks like critical td.
I feel like the point you made where the definition of copy means that it has to be almost exact is going a bit over the top. if you were to copy something, then then it would be so similar to the original that its completely noticeable, but not to the point where its literally a copy and paste. inspiration is where you can only notice the similarity if you looked into it deeply. people barely talk about tower battles taking inspo from bloons td battles because it has a loose enough connection to it to the point where you dont ever think about it. people talk about tds copying tdx's updates because they are similar to the point where it IS noticeable. its the noticeability that defines whether its a copy or an inspiration. i will say though... your points about John being friends with Below and it being kinda hard to make your own original ideas for updates are quite valid, and i stick with you for those ones. I feel like people shouldn't be beefing if John and Below aren't with themselves. and like you said: "debate, dont argue"
You’re right the copying definition might’ve been a little bit much but I see you kinda get what I’m getting at, I also think that people accused TDX of “copying” TDS more than tower battles, “copying” balloons, tower defense just because the updates come around the same time It’s also possible that the updates just happen to come around the same time is a pure coincidence which I didn’t touch on in the video but it is a possibility.
@@endportex I don’t think the updates are a coincidence, I’d guess that John and Below are actively talking to each other about updates, and when John or below come up with an idea, the other just does the same thing cuz they don’t have anything else to do. The whole idea of making original concepts for updates might tie into this, as below and John may work together on making updates as mutuals who don’t care about their own mate copying. Heck, maybe it’s even a marketing practice for them, so then people hear about the controversy and try to see what the drama is really all about. I could be wrong, but hey, it’s just a theory.
I’m not trying to spread hate btw. I’m just expressing my ideas about this topic. I know people are tired of hearing about it, but I just wanted to break it down for people who didn’t understand why there’s so much hate.
Also if you would like to join the discord: discord.com/invite/the-portex-space-station-849750171243249694
2:05, Same, they for sure are and is likely, as they were, and probably still are, good friends. They are probably trying to grow both there games together and maybe the copy/hate comments were wanted from them as it spreads more awareness to the TD community and people might find their games that way. But I'm probably overthinking it
- lvl 120 in TDX and 280 in TDS
thats all cool but wheres my money for taking the longest time to freeze grave digger?
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I was gonna just leave a meme comment but this is actually a very nuanced take on the whole situation. The fact that the audience of both these games are generally very young really hurts the discussion around them. It feels like the discussion of copying kind of just turned into "TDS vs TDX" with fans on both sides trashing the other for no real reason, and being toxic and arguing about arguments. When the drama was at its peak with the power-up stuff it should've been pretty obvious that TDS didn't copy, because they physically couldn't have. If memory serves correctly they posted their first power-up leak like, a few hours after TDX posted theirs. There is literally no way they could've seen the TDX leak, and made their own power-up system within a few hours. That is just straight up impossible. Not to mention that would just be an incredibly stupid plan LOL as shown by the amount of backlash they got. I genuinely just think that some of the admittedly similar updates came out near to each other through pure, weird coincidence. Anyways the two games are chill now so hopefully the communities can calm down a bit too.
Although I admit I'm surprised you didn't mention how both TDS and TDX clearly copied Furry Tower Defense in this video, I guess you must've ran out of script-time?
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Agree with Properllas, we all know Furry tower Defense was the Original, Tower battles wasnt, All hail the Og Furry tower defense!!
When looking for comments about this for the video, I realize that they were very few long essay comments but instead they were mostly just small replies and one sentence comments that started the whole argument, which is kind of interesting to see because I’m assuming people just wrote the sentence without thinking and let it be kind of interesting and I do agree that I think both communities will chill out
Also, I didn’t want to drag furry tower defense into it because the community is ferocious, can’t be messing with them 🤯
@@NzNoob909im not a big fan of your existence
I will never forget that one guy on reddit saying patient zero was a predator copy because they had a cannon arm...
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They had patient zero concepted way before predator. I'm not kidding, after i posted the image to prove it, the people in the server got me falsely muted 💀💀
gnome? That was a joke video lol
@@Solo_VIIit was reddit bro
@@DangBao-ic1wf alright
y'all ever thought that.. the same developers work behind the scene?
You'd be surprised by how little people acknowledge that
@@linusblindfoldreal ?!#!?
I dont really know the devs of the both games but isnt john left liek the development team of the tds? No wait he wasnt even a developer who am i kidding
@@talhayigitcelik1868he was a contributor
John and below competing
Unironically, the brawler just gives the feeling of pat fusty. High damage slow attacking on early levels. High damage fast attacking on the later levels with stunning.
btd6 is the godmother of all tower defense games after all
its squashing time!!! 😎😎😎
Don't forget the knockback, the knockback is what makes pat fusty
The ability is also like saudas level 3 ability as they both jump to the enemies and deal damage, though the rest is very different
@@takebacktheholyland9306 I said stunning at the end
People who are saying “tds copied tdx!!!” Havent even watched the video /: [i just finished it]
@@endportex did you reply to the wrong comment gng
@@Samihoyep lol
tower battle and tds all over again
@Spongebobfan12101 me + no + imagine rage baiting
Video about taking a break and to stop arguing about which TD game copied another
Then you have the comments
I hate how both communities fight like they’re the original ones, many other games are more original
Ex: Tower Battles and BTD6
Why didn’t you put ttd as an ex?
BTD6 is not even on roblox 💀
@@Denomrix he wasnt talking about roblox tower defenses💀
Tower battles is just the grandad of tds and tdx passing along knowledge and what works
@@Denomrix just because BTD6 isn’t a roblox game or somewhat. Doesn’t mean that it heavily inspired said Roblox games in the video.
A better example to this would be the Roblox games entrenched and centaura. Who took inspiration from BF1.
I love how now most tdx fans just ignore sledger 💀
Because it would invalidate them, they want to believe that TDX is completely original. I remember pointing out how it’s similar to TDS’s sledger, they said that John took inspiration and that below and John are still friends. Keep in mind, these are the same people who said that John and below had a falling out and called everything tds for copying everything from TDX
@@Atmxx1002tdx is not hivemind, not all of them would think the same thing.
Slammer and sledger are different, starting from the hammer equipment and wha they do, slammer use electric huge hammer in the path 2 and a huge hammer in path one with less stun but op ability that can burn and stun bosses or anything for3 seconds, slammer does not contantly burn,unlike sledger@@Atmxx1002
@@Atmxx1002 everyone in tdx server ignore sledger and brawler bc they are original, it's not like everyone in tdx server make everything as a problem
Sadly if tds added sledger after slammer was added they probably think they would've copied them
Yeah, I agree.
If any idea isn’t original than what is Original
grass, water, air. Fire is not original because its just air but hot. So fire copied air!
@@onemsizbirvarlk5318 but wait... everything copied God since God made everything!!!
@@noobicusprimegood ending
@@onemsizbirvarlk5318GRASS COPIED LEAVE!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!
I don't complain about towers being copied anymore, but the one thing I still find myself complaining about is that in my opinion, tds is overrated while tdx and doomspire defense are both underrated
I loved the doomspire defense stream, Counter!
i've always found the discussion "tds is copying tdx" extremely stupid, especially considering the fact that there is evidence proving otherwise. for example, back in 2020, tds dev team hinted at a potential consumable system. i also find it annoying that the majority of people that spark these types of arguements are extremely young children that obviously do not know how hard it is to maintain relevancy on a video game platform like roblox, or maintaining a game in general.
@Spongebobfan12101bro still use that 2022 Twitter ahh roast 💀 it's been 2 years
you had one single extremely weak example and it wasn't even really hinted and nothing was known about it and it was literally four years ago and they just had to release it days after TDX did
@@MaoZedowner bro 💀tdx released a leak of the consumables, and then 3 hours later tds did
YOU CANT FUCKING MAKE A WHOLE ASS CONSUMABLES SYSTEM IN 3 HOURS
one thing we can agree on tho, they copied btd6. there is no going about it.
@@KevinTheOkay I mean sure but its not even close in the way how similar tds' ones are to tdx
Great video! As a td game developer it’s really stressful trying to “think outside the box” with ideas that may result in people from another game trashtalking or harshly criticizing you for “copying”.
But that is unfortunately what we the td game community have to deal with because these people think of copy, more than inspiration.
Woah a dev on Evolution Evade and EE2 (at least that what it looks like based off of your channel). I would think you have a good perspective on this because I am 99% sure you have had at least a couple people say “uh you copied this mechanic from this TD game”. I must ask, if you have come across the above issue, do you or did you become bothered by those comments? Did you contemplate on if you would have to completely change a feature? I guess I was wondering perhaps the amount of stress TD devs with games of the size of Evolution Evade have. Don’t answer if you don’t have time because I would figure you are probably busy working on Evolution Evade 2 or catching up on sleep. Anyways hope you have a great day!
i have idea 4 u because yes u can add perks which are mostly original if you do it right but unless you already added them i dont think a td on roblox game has made a aircraft carrier because maybe its in the later eras
AND EVEN IF YOU ARE ORIGINAL...
...they'll prolly find some way to slander / hate because of said originality lmao
i think another thing is how unoriginal and unique games (not just tb based ones) are often the ones who end up dying and rotting at the bottom of the discovery page
"if it aint broke dont fix it" works in a sense that you are simply going for efficiency. But when you make a game, you take a unique spin on an already well-made game idea.
Fun fact:i first play tds in 2020 frost invasion,and so 2021 eclipse event,from there i start playing more the game,until the people who says "TDS is trash","TDS copy TDX",and more,that makes me so angry of how people are influensed by strangers or toxic people,but people like you,corso,elite,and like that are very calm of this.
I just want people from TD games to don't fight each other😔
I hope you see this comment
It all copied toilet TD duh, wait does that mean it all started by half life ?
Beta people, acknowledge that Tdx and Tds copied Toilet tower defense.
Get sledger from frost invasion?
@Spongebobfan12101Your ragebait is trash. Put more effort into it kiddo.
*"let's just stop and vibe"*
Aside TTD, that game doesn't deserve love for a reason
It should not exist thanks
Ttd is amazing! (The 8 yo kids have barged in my house and are forcing me)
Ttd sucks ass. Even i like skibidi toilets eats shit
TTD? Do you mean that slop that barely even works? Yep i wonder why the hell it even exists in the first place.. It just makes the whole TD community look bad..
@@SirSunThe2nd yeah lol
If games weren't allowed to take ideas from other games, then the amount of games we would have would be VERY, VERY low.
actually i think more like the amount of content i- oh wait shit there would only be 1 td game
@@Jay-qd7ibtb is not original ether
I think below and John are in a chat laughing at a chaos when they come up with a update.
Definitely
@Spongebobfan12101 drink liquid nitrogen
@Spongebobfan12101nuh uh
“Uh oh, Anyways”
-both John and below natural
If you didnt know who i was talking about, the guy i was replying to who’s comment was deleted are the bots whom of which says something along the lines as “MY CHANNEL IS BETTER THAN {whatever channel they are commenting on}”
I mean In my opinion at some point a game can become the baseline for what's expected. I mean like If your making a TD game you will inevitably copy BTD but at that point BTD has just become the golden standard, the baseline, the groundwork for what a TD game should be.
Im gonna settle this, they didn’t copy eachother, its almost impossible for td games to make original stuff, so to sum it up, they just remix each other’s ideas
hello jacob
@@mooncyster32 He's not jacob
well what about when towers are almost exact replicas
As a guy who switched from Tower Battles to TDS, Commander isn't the guy who gives firerate to towers. It's DJ giving discounts and firerate buff meanwhile Commander gives range buff. Yes designs might look almost same but they are not same at all. So we can't say TDS completly copied Tower Battle's commander.
And endportex, thanks for knowing difference between copying and being inspired.
Except both towers give fire rate buffs . Infact, commander gives more with call of arms
They copied half their towers tho
@@dansmith6300 Uh I only remembering Tower Battle Commander's ability gives firerate. It gives range buff normally. (I remember like that)
@@SavasciAga1 Base commander gave a range boost
Lvl 2 gave a fire rate boost
After that, the next levels gives the following abilities: (From lvl3 to lvl5)
COA
APC
Airstrike
@@Erased_UnityXDX oh thanks I havent played TB for a while but I remember the abilites
1:39 the bacon on the left makes a good point
Oh fr?
@@endportexyeah he make a really good points, i tried one now im on my deathbed
@@endportex oh yeah, tdx is better now I'm smellier than a discord mod
@Spongebobfan12101 i thought it was bot until I check its channel...interesting worm
@@BlueBloxRobloxnone other than less, report him.
Really solid video, only thing that id correct is Below and John being friends. There is evidence to suggest that a few weeks ago, they were definitely unhappy with each other about the "copying situation". The two things that suggest this is John slandering TDS and (indirectly) encouraging his fans to hate the game by calling it out for copying TB. Also, a dev said "John and Below have now settled their differences" so at some point recently they were not friends.
But yeah this situation is absurd, and so ironic how fans whine when the other one takes inspiration but denies how their game has done the same thing.
I think the argument "copying tb" works for the first days of tds, when everything except the final bosses were named exactly the way they were in tb.
1:39:
"TDX copied TDS"
"go drink liquid nitrogen"
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As a fan of both games, I agree, although it’s a pain grinding both games
He said the reason why I don’t like td games, they’re grindy as shit 🗣️🗣️🗣️
If we are talking about games that was inspired by other games, I'd say doomspire defense was inspired by tds and tdx, doomspire defense has an advisor like tdx and the spawn tower in doomspire defense is like the elf camp tower in tds as both towers can spawn a boss, the spawn in doomspire defense spawns in the sword master boss at max level while the elf camp in tds spawns in the ripped elf boss at max level, doomspire defense was inspired by tds and tdx
ok
bro changed his opinion after watching the video💀
@thecashier7074 doomspire defense is a very good game, also I played doomspire defense with counter a tdx content creator who is gonna play different tower defense games, also I met Veen the dev of doomspire defense and it was on a stream too
@@thecashier7074 Doomspire Defense literally says that their game is inspired from TDS in the game description dawg.
My ass enjoying tower defense games while i see TDS vs TDX war everywhere
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Oh my GOD I have been waiting for something like this! you explained it perfectly in ONE sentence being “nobody owns idea’s”
One thing I’d like to add is that people claim tds copied tower battles, but below literally got permission from planet3arth to make his game.
Finally a person who brings that up
Cringe profile
The problem is that at first it was just going to be a one time project, below wasn't serious about it. But after that he began updating it more and more with stuff from tb to generate revenue, which planet did not gave permission.
But I do think tds is trying to replace all the stuff that they copied from tb with reworks (except for the commander reworks which is questionable)
@@RANDOM-GUY0987u cant be talking
Also it was a school project it’s not bellow’s fault it got popular
I love this video for how in-depth it goes and how it isn't very biased. The fact that there are still some people making informative videos without the anger or aggression to one side. I was clicking on this starting with an opinion, and was NOT expecting it to be changed. Thank you for genuinely making a great video. Love your vids!
1:39 That’s crazy 💀
Best video on all of this drama. Taking as little bias as possible while also making sure you aren't blaming one or the other. Couldn't agree more! :D
It’s crazy how TDS: Modded slipped though the cracks with this drama
i literally spawned the awakened fallen king in one of those goofy games
heyyyyy I'm a long time TDS player and consumables have been leaked in like 2019 - 2020 way before TDX came into existence but this video is very interesting and I never noticed the war between communities
(sips coffee) to me, its cool to see tds and tdx have similiar updates, its not stealing to me, its nice cause i like to see an idea of a nuke or an airstrike in two type of styles, tds is more cartoony, and tdx is more realistic, and i like both games, however, tds could make stuff less laggy 😭
Why tf is tdx nuke as expensive as a leg
@Brazil0987 can one-shot most bosses. there are like 3 or 4 enemies the nuke cannot kill
i agree that 2d nuke is realistic
@DangBao-ic1wf 2D? Bro, which game are you even referring to because they both got 3d models for the nukes
@@RANDOM-GUY0987 real
As a fellow player of TDS and having played almost 3 - 4 months and being rank 92 i understand that both games are indeed inspired by each other as the TDX creator actually used to be in TDS trailers and in the beginning a youtuber doing content about TDS, so we can guess the TDS devs are really close to TDX devs because of the past and if it was copied the Devs can claim that the other game copied them and cause a lot of out spark but they never did, and i am not being bias either since I played both games and I found TDX and TDS are very fun and also since these games are made for entertainment and to have fun , it doesn't matter because people have different playstyles and Devs try to make their game for everyone to enjoy , so arguing and claiming that TD games copy each other is ruining others experiences of players who find no fault but TBH both games are awesome and deserve popularity with no backlash and we also have to remember that we falsely claim TD games copy each other not realizing these Devs are spending hours and days making updates that their players would enjoy and the fact we hold backlash against the Devs of the TD games are very disgusting. Especially since we play the game for enjoyment not to judge the games and the similarities
I feel like it’s mostly the TDX side instigating the fighting. They don’t even mention updates like brawler because it would invalidate their point of tds copying everything from TDX
ngl that is kinda true
I agree, this fight made me hate TDX for personal reasons. In a video from gazz that talks about TDS leaks, he posted a video about star wars/Tyler talking about a 100 wave mode in TDS in the future, in the comments there were some people saying it was a copy because it had 100 and damn it 4, but the slammer, which is a copy or inspiration (I don't know what it is) was not called a copy by the community of all, which is much larger
isn't the point of this video is that we stop fighting, not starting another one.
Some examples may include:
Crook Boss rework update
Tower Pets addition
Classic Event
Hunt event
Etc
@miguelromanodecosta not to mention tds was mentioning a potential endless mode long before tdx did.
The only thing i hate about consumables is that you cant use them on events and hardcore mode making them mostly pointless
As someone who has played tons of different tower defense games, you start to see so many similar ideas with little differences thrown into it.
Hell i've seen lots of obscure tower defense games that had unique tower mechanics that got added to the bigger ones months to years after the smaller one had it. Nobody talks about these though because nobody cares about the smaller games as they don't play it.
The real problem is the formula the td genre follows. While some may put a spin on it with a unique mechanic (Good examples being Pixel gun TD, World TD, and Another Tower Defense Game just to name a few) most just follow the normal place and upgrade tower to stop enemies following a set path.
If more TD devs jus tried to spice up the generic game formula they could make something that really stands out. That's just my opinion as a TD nerd
But, as another TD nerd I must say, there are many possibilities with the standard formula. Evolution Evade, Tower Adventure, Critical Tower Defense, hell even Arena Tower Defense all feel like they show the potential of what is possible with TD games on Roblox and while maybe seeming a bit standard at first, you can see the layers and how deep you can go even with the common TD formula of placing a tower to protect a base.
@Blackfedoraowner Other than tower adventure, I have played all of those, and I will mostly agree. They definitely spice up the standard formula of the genre. However, Arena TD just feels like a roblox version of bloons so it doesn't stand out as much to me. But it's still a step up from the rest.
Not nerd but Idk if people have talk about arknight but what are your opinion about it's quite a unique tower defense
@QuiltedGinger I've seen it a few times, and it definitely has some pretty good gameplay. I'll probably never play it myself, though, as I find those anime mobile games to be pretty cash grabby.
try world tower defense
Thank you so much for making this video! So many people have been going at tds, now everyone knows that both tds and tdx did not copy each other, they got ideas from btt6, which other games such as tb got ideas from. Now the cycle can stop, no one copies each other, they get idea from each other, and show how much they like the ideas that they make it part of their game.
video games are an artform themselfs. they are a mashup of a ton of different artstyles such as music, architecture, gameplay design, ect. it takes a ton of skill to make a video game due to the amount of other skills you need. its hard, yet so worth it if you can pull it off. it could be an engaging, fun masterpeice that moves and inspires you, and stays with you for the rest of time.
or that videogame is escape running head like no seriously did that game even exist or was i on acid.
This is why I don’t really interact with both communities, they are just toxic wastelands in general at some points.
Literally polluted wasteland
4:10 uhh i dont think tb was made in 2011, it was more around 2017 and maybe it was a different game beforehand
I think it was weird that they both released at the same time with pretty similar content updates but in the end they’re both really fun, and I think nobody should have hard feelings over it
TDS and TDX are both great
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Regarding consumables, I also feel like TDS already had a basis for what it wanted to do regarding those, and I do believe they discuss updates with each other, hence why TDS took a different take on consumables than it originally was, a more TDX approach, which I think is good, because both games can provide ideas to another, which means they can implement better ideas more common!
woah guys i will act like otherfs do 0 views in 1 minute wow he fell off wow wow its so over these types of comments sucks and i just cringed myself
im mean it is a joke but an unfunny and unoriginal one.
finally somebody gets it but please even its its ironic don't post these kinds of comments the drive me insane.
I had a stroke reading this...
@@Instinct23-uf1rk it is meant to make people have a stroke lmao (specially the ones who do this) and i was right there was a comment like this
Is understandable that everyone points out TDS as the ones copying, mostly because of their historial of copying TB since their release. TDS wasn't a planned game, and was a school project 100% based in TB (Or this was the argument back on TDS-TB drama). But on their release the game was almost a copy paste of tower battles with a reskin. Nowadays is a totally different game even if it stills takes inspiration from other games, as you said, 100% originality is impossible to reach.
I wish tdx and tds copied toilet tower defense
spending 20k gems for 50 militants with gambling should be fun!
Spending 85K gold to get 100 rangers and 25 operators and 1 edj is a fantastic idea 😁
Hell no,that would just be a flat out stupid idea,its just going to be like ' hey let me gamble 5000 coins away for a chance of getting a mid tower' instead of 'man i saved up 1000 coins for the tower i can buy'
@@HeavyOnMethenamine I think this was a joke
@@wayneyourname7749 i know but i might as well give my view on this
I’m so glad that you made this video,
It’s spreading light on this predicament!
I hope people take this video seriously.
Those communities are cry babies, both communities, bias crap, both games are fantastic
I am a tds fan, but tds and tdx are great games, comparing them and saying the other is shit
Sometimes they have to share common ideas together, overall happening in video game industry. It's not like battlefield copied counter strike because they have guns or something🫡that one game is a successor of an old td game and another one is a brand new td game, it's that simple.
Oh hey that's my post at 0:27
The jigsaw one, not the rant
@@person15342 hell naw yo ass trekking jigsaw
Nobody.
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@@RANDOM-GUY0987 thanks goat 🙏
I agree with so many things in this video, it’s actually heartwarming to see and feel I’m not the only person who thinks this way about TD games. From the copying vs. heavy/light inspiration argument, the impracticality and impossibility of making a whole new feature 2-3 days after another TD game does the same thing, the connection to art, the lack of appreciation from impulsive kids who don’t understand how hard it is to satisfy thousands upon thousands of people, the debating vs. arguing concept, and so many things in between. Having a more respected person express similar thoughts as mine on a more noticeable canvas than just RUclips comments is so refreshing.
I’m no old tower defense player, but I love it so much. It’s my favorite kind of game on any platform. But to see the most prominent figures of the RTD genre in a community vs. community state like this is just disappointed. Almost depressing. The worst part about it is how petty the cause is and how it’s between people who play/have played both games. I truly hope for more attention on this subject in a manner like this.
In the end, we all just want an escape from reality, time to spend with loved ones and friends, something to keep us occupied, or something to let us experience a stressless sense of progression. Arguing and creating petty conflicts is drawing away from those things; we’re supposed to be spending our time in this “safe haven” wisely and using it for those things, not arguing on RUclips and in Reddit threads about who’s favorite game “copied” who. We should be playing these games to avoid the same conflicts in the real world.
*”Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent." - Carl Sandburg.*
brawler is in wtd (world tower defense) but I doubt that they even played the game wtd long enough to get the tower. So the tds brawler probably wasnt even based on the wtd one.
I was going to say that (striker is the tower)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen that tower before. Is it basically the same mechanics?
@@endportexnah. Wtd brawler is a starter tower thats supposed to be a tanky and weak unit.
@@endportex no. wtd is a completely different game from tds, tdx, btd6, or tb, as its map is more open. its more like a zombie/wave survival game with td aspects than a td game. brawler runs to the nearest enemy trying to pick a fight with it. it is futile but cheap. its mad op when at max.
@@moyaiman6491 yeah that's why I said that they probably didn't really even get inspiration from wtd. I can't explain why but for some reason my reply feels rude.
In the worst case of somebody did copy another, at the end of the day who cares both have different gameplay styles and are very different games. it’s like saying skyrim is assassins creeds because “oh well they both story action games that takes place before modern day.” If anything I like they are taking inspiration like this as it leads to light competition and drives devs to make better content.
Lets all make up and kiss eachother
I think itll make things better 😍😍😍
I honestly like both games, they are unique in some way. I dont mind the "copying" vise versa because they are all free good games with high quality updates and great game design
1:44 John and Below arent really friends anymore. John refers to tds as “the game that keeps copying” and Below has removed john’s avatar from a map (it was an easter egg).
You can see john referring to tds as that in some livestreams
Also i think the tds admin was trying to get rid of the backlash. Idk why john would still be mad if they were friends
@@gunpowder777he isn’t mad. he deleted most of the “tds copying” posts, as well as not saying tds is a copying game anymore
What live streams and what time
Check itsqueaking's post about john and below
not only he solved most td game arguments, he solved my anxiety of someone calling my work "stolen" too 😅
Call mr krabs
errm is brawler that one thing from that one game from that one thing
What are you trying to say?🤨
@@odgenanimation546 6:39
@@Shades_D ok
This video helped me understand the issue with tds and tdx, and indeed we should be grateful for such an amazing game the devs of tds and tdx have given us! So the lesson learnt is be grateful, be patient, give your ideas and don't start fights👍
Drink liquid nitrogen is crazy💀 love you daddy portex❤
Send a therapist to me pls
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With every video, your comments just keep getting worse
@@endportex let's keep it this way, but if you just put a picture of Umbra or mention her, oh boy, my comment is about to get hella devious😈😈😈
Now way whe are coming back to those times when everyone was yapping about TDS always copied TB 💀
Based ass video
i don't understand why people are mad at games with quality. i love playing both games and i'm pretty sure john only decided to make his game bc he was inspired in some way.
Tds didnt copied tdx
Everyone saids ever
Why don't we just agree that both of the devs are maybe just sharing their stuff together? I mean, they're friends, right?
2:27 inspirations ye ye ( just copying all tb )
Btd1*
Bro just ignored the point of the video
How? @@taufikrigo
People forgot that the friendship between TDX and TDS, was displayed in each games, I haven't played TDX, I'm just guessing, what I am sure about though, is the fact that Below made an entirely new skin for his so called 'rival'.
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i never really cared about tds or tdx making the same updates or similar updates and i still don't. Its truly just whatever you like more , like you said if someone likes tds over tdx their are obviously going to fight for tds vice versa. Just be happy they are releasing updates in the first place
(can't wait for tdx collab with tower battles tho)
TDS did copy TDX, there I said it and that's why TDX is dead!
There's a difference between copying and inspiration
You are being stupid
tdx is dead are you ok it did fall off a bit but dead NO ITS NOT DEAD
@@Solo_VIIbro your sentence is contradicting itself
did you see it?
1:53 This is a rework, but the armored factory in TDX was planned a month ago. I’m generally silent about the concept, the concept came out a year ago.
Armored factory vehicles were leaked like 8-9 months ago or something? Idk i forgor
People also forget to mention the fact that both games are copying the us military 💀. Both games’s vehicles are based off real us military tanks and humvees, such as the m1 Abraham’s tank
It genially makes me sad to see everyone pointlessly bicker over these kinds of updates, the Devs really are trying their best to keep their game afloat, and inspiration is a large contributing factor. As a book author, I sometimes take inspiration from other books and put my own spin on it, and I know for a fact I'm not the only author to do so. So why its suddenly such an issue when TDS or TDX do the same with each other, beats me. My point is that those who pointlessly argue over these updates, needs to realize that inspiration is in everything in the modern world. And even if one copies the other to some degree, I don't see the issue. Since John and Below are good friends, they should be allowed to bounce ideas between each other, and add their own personal ideas as well. My friend will sometimes give me suggestions for my books, and I'll either use them or add them with my own creative spin. Either way, everyone just needs to calm down and let the Devs cook.
Wow, really good video oncthe subject, we all heard smth like "copy !" Or "unoriginal !". As an og tds player (i have swarmer) i grew up with that game, and now seeing arguments of new td games that i enjoy (TDX or back then TBZ) about copying makes me loose my mind, i hope one day the community will be on a same ground and accept idea variants and other insignificant things
I get what you're saying but i still have this feeling of me to protect tdx when i'm good at tds too, i just don't know why.
I think the entire argument is dumb, I just got recommended this video now and I still see this go on. I prefer TDS as it’s the first one I’ve ever played, but all the other tower defense games I have tried are good in their own ways, and have their own unique quirks and features. There’s only so many ideas you can use that other people haven’t already. We really need to just appreciate all the games for what they are, even if we have one we like to play the most.
You know as a person who plays btd6 tds and tdx this was very interesting because I never thought any of them copied each other because the art style the actually gameplay the towers and the zombies, or bloons
Finally someone said it!! I absolutely hate it how erratic TDX/TDS fans can be when it comes to debating about personal opinions..
They shouldn’t even be compared both games are beloved by their own communities and isn’t better to have more tower defense varieties?
Love how these two games are going at each others neck while tower blitz and other tower defense game is just chilling
im making a td game that has a lot of things heavily inspired off of TDX features, but the thing is im too worried about people calling it a copy just because i thought a feature was cool so i wanted to add it to my game with a little bit of a twist because i thought it would be fun for the players
examples are a powerup system similar to TDX where you buy them in the menu and use them in game, and even gamemodes like endless
i worry so much about making my game original that i start getting discouraged to even work on it because of how many of the features in the game are so similar to things that have already been done before in TD games
You are right, it's like the same thing in each game but with different features. And it is not easy to come up with totally original concepts either.
I personally found it very odd that TDS was updated like 3 days after TDX was updated but I never called TDS copying since it’s ok to be inspired to make a balancing change to a tower or make a new tower in general. Personally a little inspiration is what gets everyone motivated to add a little change with their own twist just like how you said it about Art and RUclips
“TDS copied TDX” nah bro it’s just a tower defense game 💀
If devs release an update without testing all would be disaster because too much bug to fixed
While it’s true that below and John are both friends, I saw a post on John’s discord revealing that commander from tower battles will be in TDX. At the end, he said something like “im sure hope no other game steals this and claims this as their own” it’s edited to something different now, but in that case he could possibly be joking around
it’s because below and john talked things out after the consumables update, he edited that post because john doesn’t feel that way anymore
@@yangliu6901 do you know where? I can’t rlly find information abt any of this
@@PresentYes a tds discord staff talked about below and john talking things out when they released their commander rework, although i can’t really find it anymore
@@yangliu6901 well I kinda just find it weird that none of the 2 confirmed themselves that they are like “yeah we are cool” I feel like John would talk abt it in a video
Honestly both games are different regardless, on the surface they look the Samey but when you think about all the little details, they are different.
Like currently TDX is more beginner friendly with the juicy 80% map reward, now less grindy because of the map reward, and speed boost in solo, towers that are good in their own ways and serve their purpose, even featuring 2 paths if you want to improve the other aspect of it promoting some experimentation, smaller difficulty curve splitting it all up in 4, more like 5 game modes having some kind of twist compared to the others, like "you need a lot of splash damage here!" as opposed to "splash damage could be good, but you will probably be fine anyway lol" in TDS, + Way better music lol, unironically makes the game feel "cooler".
TDS is just TDS, different art style, higher difficulty curve, more grindy compared to TDX, even high level's don't have any high level game mode for them to grind, just Fallen or "Pizza Party Strat" I have heard about, and the high end towers aren't that op, unless golden skins. (Couldn't find anything more special to say about it.)
Damn I can’t believe two games in the same genre on the same platform utilizing the same concept of zombies invade are similar 😐
this video is really help full for those who said "tds copied tdx" "tds copied TB" and in the end they have their own version of their game
this is straight up fax and if there's is any copying its meaningless stuff (example: the map selection skip button called veto in tds and tb) and sure, I did stop playing tds because I think the game got ruined, it doesn't mean they are copying anyone
It really did just boil down to “the updates and leaks were just at the same time, comedically” In terms of Tdx and Tds. It’s fair to have suspicions about it, since literally John had his, but it probably was just timing as again, TDS would’ve had the idea figured in a similar development time as Tdx, not right after they announced it.
Why did this get so philosophical for no reason (its super cool but doesn’t happen often…)
few more things to adress:
TDX was made because john loved TDS and simply was inspired to make one on its own meaning TDX is technically an fangame making possible "copies" tolarable. after all there is no more "original content" anymore given its all used making something unique way more dificult given they are probably allready made
Really? I thought Tdx was inspired by tb because of all the little Easter egg within Tdx.
@@wikisans9403both... john started to makr TDX during the solar eclipse event since TDS gotten boring.
@@Finnn69 i dont think it was because it was boring, i think that was just rather a click-baitey title to promote his game
@@Finnn69 solar eclipse event wasn't boring bro
@@Instinct23-uf1rk if you finished everything then yeah. Plus he's an admin in TDS meaning he pretty much dond anything.
I also really hate the guy who made that document about everything tds has copied. Did tds take a lot of stuff from tower battles yes. However they aren’t the exact same and tds has been expanding on these ideas and becoming more original. Does commando have a windup like Minigunner no it dosent. Ranger deals splash damage at max level while railgunner dosent. Accelerator has charge up and overcharge while phaser dosent. Does the military base from tb have railgun tanks and an airstrike ability like the military base from tds, no. The dj from tds has yoi switch between multiple different tracks each giving a different buff and also having an ability that does something different based on the buff while the tb dj’s only ability is to temporarily halt enemies. Also not to mention the other original towers from tds such as crook boss, mercenary base, turret and engineer and the other countless event towers. That document I feel was only made to spark another war and was made out of spite against tds. To whoever made that document, move on, that war is over and everyone else has moved on. Anyways thanks for joining me on my little rant.
How many videos are going to be about this...
John and Below are an example of healthy rivalry
I like how people said TDS copied TB when TDS is kinda like a Tb remake back in the day before overhaul
Tds wasn't even a remake there was litterally a whole drama with tds copying graveyard design
@@CooIStuffz idk I just think old tds looks too much like tb
@@Vexetharius it def did
i agree with this,but there are still a LOT of ideas for a game they haven't taken account for. Like tower perks, most td games don't have those and either or both can make them, the system isn't very complicated to work out, because there are still a few games with perks like critical td.
I feel like the point you made where the definition of copy means that it has to be almost exact is going a bit over the top. if you were to copy something, then then it would be so similar to the original that its completely noticeable, but not to the point where its literally a copy and paste. inspiration is where you can only notice the similarity if you looked into it deeply. people barely talk about tower battles taking inspo from bloons td battles because it has a loose enough connection to it to the point where you dont ever think about it. people talk about tds copying tdx's updates because they are similar to the point where it IS noticeable. its the noticeability that defines whether its a copy or an inspiration.
i will say though... your points about John being friends with Below and it being kinda hard to make your own original ideas for updates are quite valid, and i stick with you for those ones. I feel like people shouldn't be beefing if John and Below aren't with themselves.
and like you said: "debate, dont argue"
You’re right the copying definition might’ve been a little bit much but I see you kinda get what I’m getting at, I also think that people accused TDX of “copying” TDS more than tower battles, “copying” balloons, tower defense just because the updates come around the same time
It’s also possible that the updates just happen to come around the same time is a pure coincidence which I didn’t touch on in the video but it is a possibility.
@@endportex I don’t think the updates are a coincidence, I’d guess that John and Below are actively talking to each other about updates, and when John or below come up with an idea, the other just does the same thing cuz they don’t have anything else to do. The whole idea of making original concepts for updates might tie into this, as below and John may work together on making updates as mutuals who don’t care about their own mate copying. Heck, maybe it’s even a marketing practice for them, so then people hear about the controversy and try to see what the drama is really all about.
I could be wrong, but hey, it’s just a theory.
Cope
If more td games got made, Roblox community will wild and arguing 24/7 hours Lol