Korea is one of the countries where the population is not evenly distributed, but I was surprised to see their countryside. Even places with little population were well developed and clean: roads and facilities were well established.
@@lostthenfoundActually Korea was one of the top 10 gdp countries in the world until the early Joseon Dynasty. Silla, Goryeo, and Joseon were all stable dynastic countries that were hard to find in the world. It has only become increasingly messy since the late Joseon Dynasty. Korean politicians only talk about the Korean War and poverty because they want to emphasize their achievements, and because the people love dramas. In fact, Korea was one of the very rich countries considering its entire thousands of years of history.
@@lostthenfound All of Korea's facilities were destroyed during the three years of the Korean War 70 years ago. That's why those 10 years were difficult. Korea was not originally a poor country. You can tell by looking at the many types of food that you can't even count. And it was an advanced civilized country with high culture. Their IQ is the highest in the world.
My wife and I love the new city we moved to this year (Namyangju, Dasan-dong). It's a huge upgrade from where we lived prior. There's so much more space! We don't have to keep our head on a swivel worried about cars running over our dogs when we go for a walk. There are actual sidewalks and they are wide! There's a large park nearby and it's quiet at night. If we want to do something we take our bikes out to Seoul or the Han River trail. Living here is great for us. ^^
That's great you guys found a nice spot for you guys! Haven't been to Namyangju except when passing it on the freeway, so will have to check it out some day!
So fantastic to see you 2 back making such great videos! Hard to believe we live on the same planet sometimes! You are providing hope to many of us viewers! Thanks
I didn't even know well about the NewCities, even though I had been living in Seoul almost my entire life. It was interesting to listen to the foreigner's perspective on it. And!! Your new blogging style is so fantastic I think you should keep it up🥰🥰😀😀
Thanks so much @junkoreacanada! 😊 It could be fun to go check one out some day just as a day trip to see for yourself! We used to go to 송도 sometimes and they have some pretty good restaurants and parks there (tons of space if you enjoy biking too).
This lovely city will flourish as more people move here, bringing about exciting developments and reducing overcrowding in larger cities. Koreans are lucky that their government is working on this project, and the fast train will make it easy for people to travel to Seoul whenever they wish.
It's quite impressive what Korea is able to do in a short amount of time for sure! Transportation is top notch here, and it's very easy to get around overall.
Just found your channel and really enjoying it! This kind of video is exactly what I'm looking for...heading around to off-the-beat places, showing off the infrastructure, giving impressions and memories of how things were and how they've changed, great stuff and please keep it going!
@barcher thank you so much! I'd really recommend Dongtan because you can go to Dongtan 1 (around Seodongtan Station) which was finished over 10 years ago, and compare it to Dongtan 2 (around Dongtan Station in this video). It's just a short bus between the two and you can see a lot how Korea changed it's planning between the two.
Just discovered your channel & subscribed. I appreciate your choice of topics, angles, and what you bring as a couple! Haven't been back to Korea in a looong time but feel more in the loop on what would interest me now. Bravo!
It used to be grass field and waste land with some streams lined with sludge all along the entire concrete canal across Osan and Dongtan. It's incredible. It would nice as well to hear about what it's like to do things online in Korea, as you know, everything is digital and online in Korea.
You're right! Haha I remember biking in Osan at night and there were some really bad smells coming off the river. It has improved a lot since then. When it comes to things to do online, that's a great video topic that we could dive into someday because it's basically to the point where you never have to leave your house to spend money (just the way they like it! haha).
동탄은 아니지만 지방 신도시 2지역에서만 10년째 살고있는데 신도시에 대한 의견이 여러가지로 공감되는 부분이 많네요. 아이를 키우기에는 더할나위없이 좋지만 어른의 입장에서는 분위기에 따라서 좀 쳐지는 느낌이 있어요 . 여유로운 분위기를 좋아하시면 신도시가 살기에는 쾌적하고 좋긴하죠 ㅎㅎ그나저나 이채널 영어 리스닝하기 넘 좋네요 구독하고 갑니다 ^^
This is George from George's Travels! Haha! Welcome to My Hell! I know what you mean about long editing days. I do a travel channel that's produced, and then the more easier K-Blog, where you just point and shoot and try to film in sequence, and tell the story of my day that way! Haha! Just found your channel, and love the content! Keep it up! Sadly, I will leave Seoul in two days of this message, and go back to the USA. Hopefully be back next year!
Hi George! Haha yeah sometimes you think it'll take about 6-8 hours to edit something and then you get super carried away and the whole week is gone eh! 🤣 Hope you had a great time in Korea! Safe travels!
We stayed (I think) 1 month in 동탄1 during our 3 months trip in Korea (부산, 서귀포, 대구, 경주, 서울 (김포), 광주. The SRT was awesome! 동탄 is not crowded (from my canadian POV 😅) It was perfect to go to Seoul when we wanted, many restaurants and parks! Perfect for my daugther too! Many children vs other cities in Korea (a big shock, so many people, but noooo kids!!l) We even did a day trip to Gwangju to see my friends there, again, because we didn't know what to do that day 😂😂 And yes... you need an ARC... Alien 😅😅😅 registrstion card for Everything that needs an app 😂😂 like ordering food when your stuck inside because of covid 😂😂😂😂 Quite a shock! I'm now nostalgic because of your video 🤩 PS. If I remeber correctly, the bike lane was on the other side of the road 😅
동탄1 is amazing! I prefer it to 동탄2 to be honest. You're right though. You see kids in new cities and the suburbs, but there are fewer in Seoul unless you are right beside a school or something. Also you are right that a lot of the roads in 동탄2 have a separate bike path on only one side. Glad we could bring back some memories! Take care! 😁
You're right that Songdo is quite far away. It's a nice city overall, but I don't think I'd ever want to live there. Do you live in Seoul right now? If you want to stay in the city but want things a bit slower paced, I'd recommend checking out Yonggang-dong in Mapo-gu. We just lived there for two years, and it's really quiet, has great access to the Han River for walks, and also walkable distance to the Gyeonguiseonsup-gil (forest path in the middle of Seoul). It was just as relaxing as living in Dongtan for us, but still close enough to transportation and everything to be convenient.
Hi Matt and Yujin! Do you know if you can take a bike on the SRT? I tried on a Mugunghwa Train from Busan but took me like 5 hours (or more) to arrived at Seoul. Stay safe!
Hey Thoan! I think it's possible if you have a bike bag, and you take apart your bike to make it as small as possible like this blog: blog.naver.com/PostView.naver?blogId=jun0457&logNo=222229522113&categoryNo=6&parentCategoryNo=0 But I think taking the bus would be a lot less stressful for sure. Stay safe out there and enjoy the amazing weather these days!
The USA has fallen so far behind Asia in the infrastructure it will never catch up. Wish I could live in Korea or Japan, but will have to be satisfied with your videos.
I know what you mean as a Canadian. They really put so much effort into making things accessible and affordable here for everyone, and we could learn so much from them!
Hi Matt! Linus here! I’m just sane across your video and really enjoyed it. Funny coincidence.. during the pandemic,merryground came to me to offer a space in the garage ground mall. I really liked the concept and was only learning about the existence of the new city… like your video it did feel somewhat desolate and I had hard time deciding. but alas I had decline because of the distance and the manpower issues. I believe they asked a different bbq place to come in ㅋㅋ Oh well. Keep the vids going they’re very enjoyable!
Hey Linus! Great to hear from you and thanks so much! Haha what a coincidence that Merry Ground offered a space down there. Didn't even know about it until we looked up things to do in Dongtan 2. Your food would have been the best there by far! It was relatively empty though, so declining sounds like it was a good decision for you! Hope you are doing well and your back is doing better too!
Of course! The Four Rivers Trail is pretty smooth overall. There are a few older/bumpier sections here and there, but overall I'd say it's about 80% to the standard of the smooth Han River Bike Path.
Government is trying to attract overseas Koreans to comeback into new cities I’ve seen some advertisements on local Korean community newspapers and they want investments from Koreans living abroad when they developed new town near incheon now songdo.
Oh nice! Dongtan 2 is pretty insane how many tall buildings there are around for sure! Take the SRT next time. It makes it feel like a "trip" more than taking the bus there.
Hey there! It's fascinating to think that Canada prioritizes a solid pension and retirement system for its folks over high-speed trains that might be financed over decades. Given the swift population decline forecasted for Korea, I wonder how sustainable these massive infrastructure projects really are in the long run? Would love to hear your thoughts on this! 🤔
I'm sorry to hear that you feel parts of Canada are in a 'disaster' situation. I recognize that individuals all have their own experience and perspective to offer. If this is what you think of Canada's pension system I urge you not to look around the world. Canada's is actually planned in a very sound manner in comparison to others. @@garrusvakarian8709
Haha I'm not an expert or anything, but I don't think that these new cities will be sustainable with the population decline as you said. I've always thought that Korea should be focused on educating the elderly and giving them work as the nation continues to grow older. I don't know the implications economically or anything, but I'd love to see the elderly in Korea treated better overall.
You've hit the nail on the head. Members of the faculty I study under were just in South Korea last month for a summit on lifelong learning for the elderly. It's a noble endeavor, but let's not sugarcoat the facts. The rate at which South Korea's population is aging is unparalleled in recorded history-globally speaking. This isn't just a hiccup; it's a seismic shift. While educational initiatives are commendable, they can't single-handedly address the impending worker-to-retiree ratio imbalance. We're navigating uncharted territory, and it's cause for concern. Maybe robotics and AI will make up for the lost labor. That's what Japan is betting on now. @@lostthenfound
I think the S Korean govt is investing in new cities hoping to spur population growth. Part of the reason for stagnant population is the congestion in Seoul metro, which in turn increases competition for resources and prices.
You make an astute observation about the correlation between urbanization and dropping total fertility rate. Unfortunately, the planned new cities in Korea are also urban and will not directly impact fertility. They will not lower urbanization in Korea, but they may spread wealth through regulated real estate opportunity. There currently exists no ethical model to follow to boost fertility. It is an unchangeable depopulation - which isn't always a bad thing, but in Korea's case it is too extreme and will have massive financial repercussions for the inhabitants of Korea. The burden on the younger populations will likely be enormous and difficult to fathom due to the unprecedented nature of the situation.@@krnpowr
I left Korea back in 1971 and my wife in 1979 and lived in the U.S. Would you recommend a new city or traditional city for someone like us if we were to live there? We will not move there but are curious what the recommendation might be for a middle income elderly couple.
I think that new cities are good for elderly couples, because they are a lot quieter than cities like Seoul/Busan, with a lot more space to walk around in. I think it would be beneficial to have a car though, as it's a lot harder to get around than Seoul.
In Seoul, you can rent a studio apartment for about 500,000-600,000 KRW per month, or about 1,000,000 KRW for a two room villa apartment. Jobs are limited for foreigners. Native English speakers can teach english here for about 2.3 million KRW / month, and people from other countries can work in factories or on farms for about 2.5-3 million KRW / month.
There are so many so-called new city suburbs near Seoul that was supposed to bring down real-estate prices down. Ironically it made assets in Seoul more desirable. Such a pity that the Bank of Korea just does nothing to tackle this.
Things are getting out of hand eh? I used to dream about owning a place in Seoul some day, but I'm starting to think it'll never happen. Maybe once the population declines enough and the bubble bursts.
@dtown313 they are quite a bit different eh? Korea has a lot less space, so they have to come up with creative ways to use it. Just hoping they hold onto a lot of the beautiful traditions as well!
동탄이 안에서 살기는 좋은데 사실 교통 시스템이 아직 좋진 않음. 그게 가격에 다 반영이 되어있는거긴 함. 솔직히 사람이 가난할수록 인프라가 더 갖춰지고, 직장이 많은 곳으로 가야하는게 맞고 그것에 최적화된 도시가 바로 서울임. 결국 수요가 몰리니 서울이 점점 더 비싸지는건데 신도시와 서울에서는 각각의 장점이 있는 것 같음. 그래서 서울 내의 신축 아파트가 더욱 비싸지고 입지를 뛰어넘는 상품성을 갖게 됨.
I think living in Japan would definitely have some similarities for sure. The police here aren't all bad either. It's just hard when you need their help and they don't want to spend their time on you I think. Glad you have found a great place for yourself to live there!
That was really interesting. Reminded me a bit of the new areas being developed north of Toronto ... clean and pretty, but not a lot of character or interesting things to do. Like you said, primarly aimed at young families. It was nice to see all the green space though, especially compared to Seoul. Lastly, Yujin's sunglasses are very cool :-)
Thanks a lot @northice! It seems like more and more people want to live closer to big cities in this world which causes development like this (and population decrease in the countryside). Agree about the lack of character though. Hahaha Yujin's sunglasses are awesome eh! 😎
What do you want to see in Seoul? I'd love to see less lanes for cars, and more space for bikes and pedestrians, but I doubt that will happen as the car culture is so huge here.
It's a pretty rough "bike lane" eh @MrChaotio? Glad that all of this is improving every year, but you would think that new cities would be at the forefront of infrastructure. I use Samsung Pay to pay for everything on my phone. It should work for international cards too, but to ride the subway like that you might need a Korean ID. I'll look into it for the future and make a guide if it's something easy for tourists as well!
Narrow streets are the soul of a city. Wide streets will kill businesses and make pedestrians feel inconvenient and lack a sense of hiding. People not only live in the busy city, but also want to be invisible here.
This is an interesting take and I never really thought about it, but I think you are onto something. Seoul's tight alleyways with narrow sidewalks are bursting with life in comparison to Dongtan.
Korean new cities are souless and lack identity. All look similar with no unique scenery. They are like what you described on new city foods. Looks nice but lacks distintive soul.
On the buildings you mean or on RUclips? I don't control the ads on RUclips, but I keep them on because we are trying to make this our career and that's the only way we make money.
I agree @afaha2214. I don't know what Korea's plans are with the dwindling population, but that will be a major problem that the "New Cities" will be hit with hard.
Korea is one of the countries where the population is not evenly distributed, but I was surprised to see their countryside. Even places with little population were well developed and clean: roads and facilities were well established.
Korea is quite developed, especially considering it was one of the poorest countries in the world about 70 years ago.
@@lostthenfound due to Korean war
@@lostthenfoundActually Korea was one of the top 10 gdp countries in the world until the early Joseon Dynasty. Silla, Goryeo, and Joseon were all stable dynastic countries that were hard to find in the world. It has only become increasingly messy since the late Joseon Dynasty. Korean politicians only talk about the Korean War and poverty because they want to emphasize their achievements, and because the people love dramas. In fact, Korea was one of the very rich countries considering its entire thousands of years of history.
@@lostthenfound All of Korea's facilities were destroyed during the three years of the Korean War 70 years ago. That's why those 10 years were difficult. Korea was not originally a poor country. You can tell by looking at the many types of food that you can't even count. And it was an advanced civilized country with high culture.
Their IQ is the highest in the world.
@@lostthenfoundIf Koreans go to your country now, they will not be able to live there because it is uncomfortable and uncivilized.😂😂😂
Great show! I really like Korea a lot and never knew about a new city. One day I’m gonna get to visit Jeju island. 😍😃🇰🇷🇺🇸👌
Thanks so much! Hope you get the chance to make it to Jeju soon! It's a really fun place to travel! 😁
This is great Korean listening practice. You both speak clearly and use practical vocab. Thanks!
That's good to hear! Glad it was helpful! 😁
My wife and I love the new city we moved to this year (Namyangju, Dasan-dong). It's a huge upgrade from where we lived prior. There's so much more space! We don't have to keep our head on a swivel worried about cars running over our dogs when we go for a walk. There are actual sidewalks and they are wide! There's a large park nearby and it's quiet at night. If we want to do something we take our bikes out to Seoul or the Han River trail. Living here is great for us. ^^
That's great you guys found a nice spot for you guys! Haven't been to Namyangju except when passing it on the freeway, so will have to check it out some day!
So fantastic to see you 2 back making such great videos! Hard to believe we live on the same planet sometimes! You are providing hope to many of us viewers! Thanks
Thanks a lot Dad! Haha it's quite a bit different in Canada and Korea eh?
I didn't even know well about the NewCities, even though I had been living in Seoul almost my entire life. It was interesting to listen to the foreigner's perspective on it.
And!! Your new blogging style is so fantastic I think you should keep it up🥰🥰😀😀
Thanks so much @junkoreacanada! 😊 It could be fun to go check one out some day just as a day trip to see for yourself! We used to go to 송도 sometimes and they have some pretty good restaurants and parks there (tons of space if you enjoy biking too).
This lovely city will flourish as more people move here, bringing about exciting developments and reducing overcrowding in larger cities. Koreans are lucky that their government is working on this project, and the fast train will make it easy for people to travel to Seoul whenever they wish.
It's quite impressive what Korea is able to do in a short amount of time for sure! Transportation is top notch here, and it's very easy to get around overall.
Just found your channel and really enjoying it! This kind of video is exactly what I'm looking for...heading around to off-the-beat places, showing off the infrastructure, giving impressions and memories of how things were and how they've changed, great stuff and please keep it going!
Thank you so much @elblanco5!
Wow. Thanks for another amazing video! I definitely have to visit a New City now.
@barcher thank you so much! I'd really recommend Dongtan because you can go to Dongtan 1 (around Seodongtan Station) which was finished over 10 years ago, and compare it to Dongtan 2 (around Dongtan Station in this video). It's just a short bus between the two and you can see a lot how Korea changed it's planning between the two.
Just discovered your channel & subscribed. I appreciate your choice of topics, angles, and what you bring as a couple! Haven't been back to Korea in a looong time but feel more in the loop on what would interest me now. Bravo!
Thanks so much @firerose31! Recommend coming back to Korea some day if you haven't been in a while. A lot has changed here for sure!
I like the vlog style videos, especially if they are easier to make and more frequent 👍
Thanks so much @Zachary_danger! 😊
It used to be grass field and waste land with some streams lined with sludge all along the entire concrete canal across Osan and Dongtan. It's incredible. It would nice as well to hear about what it's like to do things online in Korea, as you know, everything is digital and online in Korea.
You're right! Haha I remember biking in Osan at night and there were some really bad smells coming off the river. It has improved a lot since then. When it comes to things to do online, that's a great video topic that we could dive into someday because it's basically to the point where you never have to leave your house to spend money (just the way they like it! haha).
I wish you every success with this style of video. Thank you for the show. Cool haircut Yugin! Regards
Thanks so much Howard! Yujin looks pretty cool eh? 😎 Haha. Have an amazing week!
동탄은 아니지만 지방 신도시 2지역에서만 10년째 살고있는데 신도시에 대한 의견이 여러가지로 공감되는 부분이 많네요.
아이를 키우기에는 더할나위없이 좋지만 어른의 입장에서는 분위기에 따라서 좀 쳐지는 느낌이 있어요 . 여유로운 분위기를 좋아하시면 신도시가 살기에는 쾌적하고 좋긴하죠 ㅎㅎ그나저나 이채널 영어 리스닝하기 넘 좋네요 구독하고 갑니다 ^^
@lucy-pw7iw님 감사합니다! ^^ 와, 10년동안 신도시에서 사셨네요! 저희보다 신도시에 대해서 많이 아실 것 같아요! 😁 ㅋㅋㅋ 즐거운 하루 되세요~
멋져요 구경 잘했어요❤
@yjkim8319님 감사합니다!
How interesting, this idea of "New Cities!" Thanks for creating such fascinating content.
Thanks a lot @lx425! It's pretty cool to see how things are developing for sure!
This is George from George's Travels! Haha! Welcome to My Hell! I know what you mean about long editing days. I do a travel channel that's produced, and then the more easier K-Blog, where you just point and shoot and try to film in sequence, and tell the story of my day that way! Haha! Just found your channel, and love the content! Keep it up! Sadly, I will leave Seoul in two days of this message, and go back to the USA. Hopefully be back next year!
Hi George! Haha yeah sometimes you think it'll take about 6-8 hours to edit something and then you get super carried away and the whole week is gone eh! 🤣 Hope you had a great time in Korea! Safe travels!
We stayed (I think) 1 month in 동탄1 during our 3 months trip in Korea (부산, 서귀포, 대구, 경주, 서울 (김포), 광주. The SRT was awesome! 동탄 is not crowded (from my canadian POV 😅) It was perfect to go to Seoul when we wanted, many restaurants and parks! Perfect for my daugther too! Many children vs other cities in Korea (a big shock, so many people, but noooo kids!!l)
We even did a day trip to Gwangju to see my friends there, again, because we didn't know what to do that day 😂😂
And yes... you need an ARC... Alien 😅😅😅 registrstion card for Everything that needs an app 😂😂 like ordering food when your stuck inside because of covid 😂😂😂😂 Quite a shock!
I'm now nostalgic because of your video 🤩
PS. If I remeber correctly, the bike lane was on the other side of the road 😅
동탄1 is amazing! I prefer it to 동탄2 to be honest. You're right though. You see kids in new cities and the suburbs, but there are fewer in Seoul unless you are right beside a school or something. Also you are right that a lot of the roads in 동탄2 have a separate bike path on only one side. Glad we could bring back some memories! Take care! 😁
I think its a good opportunity for them to not solely focus on living in Seoul as South Korea indeed has other beautiful places to live too
she hits the point right at 14:43.
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@@alejandramorales2485 😊👍
아내분 너무 매력적이고 예쁘시네 재밌는 부부네요 ❤
@user-sj8rl6rl6c님 감사합니다! 저는 운이 좋은 남자예요! ㅎㅎ 😁
dongtan is fantastic😊
It's a pretty interesting city for sure!
Thank you. As a retiree always looking for an alternative to Seoul. Songdo just seemed too far out the way.
You're right that Songdo is quite far away. It's a nice city overall, but I don't think I'd ever want to live there.
Do you live in Seoul right now? If you want to stay in the city but want things a bit slower paced, I'd recommend checking out Yonggang-dong in Mapo-gu. We just lived there for two years, and it's really quiet, has great access to the Han River for walks, and also walkable distance to the Gyeonguiseonsup-gil (forest path in the middle of Seoul). It was just as relaxing as living in Dongtan for us, but still close enough to transportation and everything to be convenient.
Not a good idea for Korea with a dwindling population…. I lived in Sejong in South Korea for two years, and there was absolutely nobody in the city.
Completely agree @kyshro. I was so surprised at how few people were in Sejong as well when I went there.
낳아서 채워라
That's right, huh. Very good, and it's also a pleasure to see cities like this, unlike cities here in Brazil
Thanks a lot @andandovou23! It's pretty interesting eh? We don't have cities like this in Canada either.
Really enjoying your videos
Thank you so much @marcomorales920!
Hi Matt and Yujin! Do you know if you can take a bike on the SRT? I tried on a Mugunghwa Train from Busan but took me like 5 hours (or more) to arrived at Seoul. Stay safe!
Hey Thoan! I think it's possible if you have a bike bag, and you take apart your bike to make it as small as possible like this blog: blog.naver.com/PostView.naver?blogId=jun0457&logNo=222229522113&categoryNo=6&parentCategoryNo=0
But I think taking the bus would be a lot less stressful for sure. Stay safe out there and enjoy the amazing weather these days!
The USA has fallen so far behind Asia in the infrastructure it will never catch up. Wish I could live in Korea or Japan, but will have to be satisfied with your videos.
I know what you mean as a Canadian. They really put so much effort into making things accessible and affordable here for everyone, and we could learn so much from them!
at least americans don't eat dogs and cats
@@Dr.Pancho.Tortillawow 😂😂😂
@@Dr.Pancho.Tortilla
No they just eat GMOs 😂😂😂
@@Dr.Pancho.TortillaKoreans do not eat cats and most do not eat dogs.
as a Korean, your video makes me comfortable somehow
Happy to hear that @triptravel3327! Thanks a lot!
That happens everywhere. Just natural progression.
Hi Matt! Linus here! I’m just sane across your video and really enjoyed it.
Funny coincidence.. during the pandemic,merryground came to me to offer a space in the garage ground mall. I really liked the concept and was only learning about the existence of the new city… like your video it did feel somewhat desolate and I had hard time deciding. but alas I had decline because of the distance and the manpower issues. I believe they asked a different bbq place to come in ㅋㅋ
Oh well. Keep the vids going they’re very enjoyable!
Hey Linus! Great to hear from you and thanks so much! Haha what a coincidence that Merry Ground offered a space down there. Didn't even know about it until we looked up things to do in Dongtan 2. Your food would have been the best there by far! It was relatively empty though, so declining sounds like it was a good decision for you! Hope you are doing well and your back is doing better too!
This trip looks great. Will definitely try it next time I'm out there. But can you clarify what location from seoul did you take the train to DT 2?
It's a fun day trip for sure! We left from Suseo Station (수서역), which is in the southern part of Seoul.
Thanks for mentioning the bumpiness! How would you compare the bumpiness of the Four Rivers Trail compared to the Han River bike path?
Of course! The Four Rivers Trail is pretty smooth overall. There are a few older/bumpier sections here and there, but overall I'd say it's about 80% to the standard of the smooth Han River Bike Path.
Amazing ❤ 😮
Thanks so much @bogdanrilakovic6854!
the place is beautiful i will visit dongtan2 soon
Definitely worth it for a visit once at least!
Myeongdong is the best !
Dongtan 🎉🎉🎉
Government is trying to attract overseas Koreans to comeback into new cities I’ve seen some advertisements on local Korean community newspapers and they want investments from Koreans living abroad when they developed new town near incheon now songdo.
Oh wow that's interesting. Thanks for sharing! I've definitely seen overseas Korean families in Dongtan speaking English to each other before.
My in-laws live right next to the Dongtan station. Such a beautiful city. One thing I want to do the next time that Im there is ride the train.
Oh nice! Dongtan 2 is pretty insane how many tall buildings there are around for sure! Take the SRT next time. It makes it feel like a "trip" more than taking the bus there.
Hey there! It's fascinating to think that Canada prioritizes a solid pension and retirement system for its folks over high-speed trains that might be financed over decades. Given the swift population decline forecasted for Korea, I wonder how sustainable these massive infrastructure projects really are in the long run? Would love to hear your thoughts on this! 🤔
I'm sorry to hear that you feel parts of Canada are in a 'disaster' situation. I recognize that individuals all have their own experience and perspective to offer. If this is what you think of Canada's pension system I urge you not to look around the world. Canada's is actually planned in a very sound manner in comparison to others. @@garrusvakarian8709
Haha I'm not an expert or anything, but I don't think that these new cities will be sustainable with the population decline as you said. I've always thought that Korea should be focused on educating the elderly and giving them work as the nation continues to grow older. I don't know the implications economically or anything, but I'd love to see the elderly in Korea treated better overall.
You've hit the nail on the head. Members of the faculty I study under were just in South Korea last month for a summit on lifelong learning for the elderly. It's a noble endeavor, but let's not sugarcoat the facts. The rate at which South Korea's population is aging is unparalleled in recorded history-globally speaking. This isn't just a hiccup; it's a seismic shift. While educational initiatives are commendable, they can't single-handedly address the impending worker-to-retiree ratio imbalance. We're navigating uncharted territory, and it's cause for concern. Maybe robotics and AI will make up for the lost labor. That's what Japan is betting on now. @@lostthenfound
I think the S Korean govt is investing in new cities hoping to spur population growth. Part of the reason for stagnant population is the congestion in Seoul metro, which in turn increases competition for resources and prices.
You make an astute observation about the correlation between urbanization and dropping total fertility rate. Unfortunately, the planned new cities in Korea are also urban and will not directly impact fertility. They will not lower urbanization in Korea, but they may spread wealth through regulated real estate opportunity. There currently exists no ethical model to follow to boost fertility. It is an unchangeable depopulation - which isn't always a bad thing, but in Korea's case it is too extreme and will have massive financial repercussions for the inhabitants of Korea. The burden on the younger populations will likely be enormous and difficult to fathom due to the unprecedented nature of the situation.@@krnpowr
I left Korea back in 1971 and my wife in 1979 and lived in the U.S. Would you recommend a new city or traditional city for someone like us if we were to live there? We will not move there but are curious what the recommendation might be for a middle income elderly couple.
I think that new cities are good for elderly couples, because they are a lot quieter than cities like Seoul/Busan, with a lot more space to walk around in. I think it would be beneficial to have a car though, as it's a lot harder to get around than Seoul.
@@lostthenfound Thank you for your advice.
building up a dystopian smart city eh
Will be interesting to see how it gets affected by the low birthrate and shrinking population for sure.
What is the rental/mortgage prices range? N the job market?
In Seoul, you can rent a studio apartment for about 500,000-600,000 KRW per month, or about 1,000,000 KRW for a two room villa apartment. Jobs are limited for foreigners. Native English speakers can teach english here for about 2.3 million KRW / month, and people from other countries can work in factories or on farms for about 2.5-3 million KRW / month.
I live in Osan, so I want run into you someday 😁
Oh nice! Say hello if we see each other some day! (I live in Seoul these days now though)
There are so many so-called new city suburbs near Seoul that was supposed to bring down real-estate prices down. Ironically it made assets in Seoul more desirable. Such a pity that the Bank of Korea just does nothing to tackle this.
Things are getting out of hand eh? I used to dream about owning a place in Seoul some day, but I'm starting to think it'll never happen. Maybe once the population declines enough and the bubble bursts.
여성분 말씀 하시는게, 구수하고 좋네요 ^^
헤헤 감사합니다! 그럼 이번 주도 활기차게 보내세요! 😆😁🙏
동탄 살기 좋습니다 ㅎㅎ
These new cities are a (better) Korean version of American suburbs.
@dtown313 they are quite a bit different eh? Korea has a lot less space, so they have to come up with creative ways to use it. Just hoping they hold onto a lot of the beautiful traditions as well!
동탄이 안에서 살기는 좋은데 사실 교통 시스템이 아직 좋진 않음. 그게 가격에 다 반영이 되어있는거긴 함. 솔직히 사람이 가난할수록 인프라가 더 갖춰지고, 직장이 많은 곳으로 가야하는게 맞고 그것에 최적화된 도시가 바로 서울임. 결국 수요가 몰리니 서울이 점점 더 비싸지는건데 신도시와 서울에서는 각각의 장점이 있는 것 같음. 그래서 서울 내의 신축 아파트가 더욱 비싸지고 입지를 뛰어넘는 상품성을 갖게 됨.
I think living in Japan would definitely have some similarities for sure. The police here aren't all bad either. It's just hard when you need their help and they don't want to spend their time on you I think. Glad you have found a great place for yourself to live there!
두분 케미 무엇?!! this is a great video showing one of our new cities 동탄:) 근데 동탄 사는 어떤 남자는 싫어요 ㅎㅎㅎ
@sotongsis님, 감사합니다! 아이 키우는 사람들한테는 동탄에서 사는게 괜찮은 것 같아요!
I hope you're documenting how they're tearing down all the interesting parts of Seoul?
It would be great to document a lot of this too, as there are so many amazing areas in Seoul being gentrified into massive apartments.
iniesta?
엊그제 처음으로 동탄에 갔는데..공기가 시흥보다 안좋던데요. 시흥은 공업도시인데.
동탄은 생각보다 공기가 안 좋더라고요. 왠지 잘 모르겠네요.
That was really interesting. Reminded me a bit of the new areas being developed north of Toronto ... clean and pretty, but not a lot of character or interesting things to do. Like you said, primarly aimed at young families. It was nice to see all the green space though, especially compared to Seoul. Lastly, Yujin's sunglasses are very cool :-)
Thanks a lot @northice! It seems like more and more people want to live closer to big cities in this world which causes development like this (and population decrease in the countryside). Agree about the lack of character though. Hahaha Yujin's sunglasses are awesome eh! 😎
Korea though a smaller country compared to Japan, its streets are so much wider, and building and city design give you much more space than Japan.
Wide streets kill businesses and make pedestrians uncomfortable.
Are the bike paths graded/textured for winter and icy conditions? Maybe?
I don't think it's intentional to be honest. The texture of the path varies a lot randomly.
Seoul needs redevelopment
What do you want to see in Seoul? I'd love to see less lanes for cars, and more space for bikes and pedestrians, but I doubt that will happen as the car culture is so huge here.
What a joke to call that sidewalk bike lane.
Btw how do you pay public transport with phone? Tutorial needed!
It's a pretty rough "bike lane" eh @MrChaotio? Glad that all of this is improving every year, but you would think that new cities would be at the forefront of infrastructure.
I use Samsung Pay to pay for everything on my phone. It should work for international cards too, but to ride the subway like that you might need a Korean ID. I'll look into it for the future and make a guide if it's something easy for tourists as well!
Narrow streets are the soul of a city. Wide streets will kill businesses and make pedestrians feel inconvenient and lack a sense of hiding. People not only live in the busy city, but also want to be invisible here.
This is an interesting take and I never really thought about it, but I think you are onto something. Seoul's tight alleyways with narrow sidewalks are bursting with life in comparison to Dongtan.
Dongtan, the city of Divorce
Haha is it known for people getting divorced? I've never heard of that.
Search the nick name of Dongtan like "퐁탄", "퐁퐁신도시"
@@chavandposh oh thanks! I'll check it out!
Korean new cities are souless and lack identity. All look similar with no unique scenery. They are like what you described on new city foods. Looks nice but lacks distintive soul.
Totally agree. It's interesting to go check out once just to see what's there, but get bored pretty quickly.
There have been so many new cities in Korea since 1980s, which is basically natural considering the country's fast speed system
Everything is built quickly rather than growing naturally. Lacking the precipitation of time.
Too many ads!
On the buildings you mean or on RUclips? I don't control the ads on RUclips, but I keep them on because we are trying to make this our career and that's the only way we make money.
@@lostthenfound on RUclips.
these ares are going to be hit hard with depopulation and proprty bubble implosion
I agree @afaha2214. I don't know what Korea's plans are with the dwindling population, but that will be a major problem that the "New Cities" will be hit with hard.
这个地方修房子的方式很像中国🤣
这里的新城市也让我想起了中国的一些地方！
(I just copy and pasted from a translate app, so hopefully this is okay haha)
저도 중국의 신도시들을 보고 그런 생각을 했어요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ