I would love to see an in depth video on the full roller style, and drilling options. I definitely roll full roller, with the ball tracking in between the fingers and thumb, and really have only found that the pin to the left of my thumb hole works well...
Check out my youtube channel which is dedicated to the Classic Full Roller style. I have a lot of videos there of many Full Rollers and videos of my own retro Full Roller style.
Nice! This video might have just solved my one-handed release issue. The explaination of the "modern" release and how it is similar to a full-roller release might be the key for me. I can roll two-handed without a problem, but the "contemporary" 3/4 roller release--the way I try to do it--causes all kinds of trouble for me. Need to try the "modern" release. I've seen the motion in slow motion videos of bowlers like Sean Rash and Mike Fagan. (The little bit of experimenting I just did at home is encouraging. Hard to tell by how the ball rolls on carpet though!)
shuumai I have recently tried slowing my speed down with no good results. I have to be myself. My normal ball speed is 14.4- 16.0 With this being said, staying in the oil, my ball speed is slower. Hitting the 1board and smokin back to the pocket, my ball really gains speed and power. I can't explain this...
It’s just about the feel of the person bowling, one handed or two bowling is all about the feel. If u feel bad with your performance fitting for your ball your never gonna Throw it well
Hmm.. I don't throw like this at all, but my 10 game average is 176, with a strike rate of 45% (as in 10 consecutive games). I don't use the thumb at all, and throw a 16lb ball... I wonder if they will do a more up to date video that covers more throwing styles. My style is far from "normal" but works quite well and is fairly consistent, though after about the 6th game my accuracy starts to suffer from fatigue.
When you think of the "figure eight" hand turn for the full roller you think Bill Allen. The king of the full roller release is the legendary Billy Hardwick.
Amen! Billy Hardwick is my favorite bowler of all time. I have some videos of him on my youtube channel which is dedicated to the classic Full Roller style.
And I have seen all of them. Thanks for your contribution. In fact, even though the full roller is discouraged to roll, I'm considering throwing it when I get back into bowling. Hopefully soon.
I've always understood a full roller as *only* tracking between the thumb and finger holes and nowhere else. What is being described here must be a track that covers the full circumference of the ball but with its axis shifted such that the track is moved outside of the thumb/finger hole space. Interesting. Maybe this type of roll could be called something else, e.g., "circle roller", "shifted-axis full roller", etc...???
Yeah, that has confused me for quite a while, and this vid finally made me understand. You're right --- there should almost be a different name for this delivery. EDIT (2.1.17): Maybe they could call the original full-roller the "Classic full-roller" and the other one the "Modern full-roller". I'm glad I watched this vid, it answered a question I'd long had.
Hi guys 💥 I'm a new subscriber to your channel 😋 I have been told recently that I throw a "heavy ball". Is this good for me? My release is definitely like Shannon's. I have been bowling about a year and my avg. 189. Both of my bowling balls are drilled the same. Code Red and storm Intense are PIN-up and 1 inch right of ring finger. I have watched Lil Kim on ESPN many times. Always was smiling on the outside, but don't know what was churning Inside..If you can help me, it's very much appreciated....🐸
Hi Alan. Heavy ball” can mean several things: 1) the ball is actually too heavy for you, 2) the ball impacts the pins with a lot of force, 3) the balls tendency is to get through the skid/hook/roll phases of ball motion quickly. Lets look at each description to see if they’re good for a bowler.1. If the ball is too heavy for your physical game you will want to find the proper weight for your technique. Too heavy of a ball can lead to poor mechanics and therefore bad habits or limited versatility and accuracy. The Bowling Academy has several videos to help:a. What Bowling Ball Weight Should I Use? (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/what-bowling-ball-weight-should-i-use-007636/)b. Ball Weight in Bowling Stance - USBC Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/ball-weight-in-bowling-stance-005846/)c. Choosing a Bowling Ball That is Right for Your Arsenal (www.google.com/url?q=www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/choosing-a-bowling-ball-thats-right-for-your-arsenal-008630/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi6nvvSz8fdAhUGLa0KHYU_CgoQFggVMAg&client=internal-uds-cse&cx=partner-pub-9803348624097437:9753022016&usg=AOvVaw0SM5_mUoTHWJjvSpQIXayY)1. If the ball impacts the pins with a lot of speed and force the results can be beneficial for pin fall. It’s as important to know where the balls impacting the pocket for a “heavy roll” so here are a couple videos about the strike pocket.a. Facts About the Bowling Strike Pocket | USBC Bowling Academy (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-strike-pocket-013734/)b. How to Get Strikes in Bowling: Entry Angle Techniques - USBC Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/how-to-get-strikes-in-bowling-entry-angle-techniques-005804/)c. Bowling Pocket and Strike Percentages (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-pocket-and-strike-percentages-007641/)1. If the ball motion leaves the skid phase and enters the hook and roll phases quickly the ball can be identified as a “heavy rolling” hook motion. This can be good for heavy oil or long length lane conditions but may need adjusting for short or low volume patterns. Here are videos on ball motion.a. Understanding Bowling Ball Motion (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/understanding-bowling-ball-motion-008618/)b. Breaking Down Ball Motion - Bowling Training Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/breaking-down-ball-motion-005548/)c. Bowling Lane Play | USBC Bowling Academy (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/videos/lane-play/page/6/)It may be easier to have a certified coach on hand to help with your specific needs. Look for one to help work with your game. Visit www.bowl.com and use the “Find a…” tab (top right of the page) to locate a coach. Enter your zip code and a radius then click “search.” It may also help to locate a certified pro shop operator in your area by using the IBPSIA website and searching your zip code. Here’s their address www.ibpsia.com/go/find_shop/type/shop/by_state.Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
I only bowl once or twice a year so I'm not very good (average around 140). I straight bowl mostly and I think I release the ball evenly from my fingers and connect very smooth with the lane. Also, I end up very low when releasing able to palm the floor. I wonder if this is not a suggested technique or it's whatever works best for you?
Well three years later, here’s your answer. To have the best chance of striking you have to generate 11 degrees of entry angle. The length and narrowness of a bowling lane will not let you get far enough left or right to get that throwing it straight, so you have to learn to hook it to strike the most and advance your game. However if you just go out a couple times a year and have fun, throw it however you want and have a good time.
Hello,This video will help you with your question.www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-ball-types-track-identification-005790/ We’ve produced some of our content at Margate Lanes in Ft. Lauderdale and would highly recommend bowling there!Thanks for watching!
I noticed that at the end of this video the bowler doesn't slide she just plants her foot. I've not noticed this before. Is there a reason why she does this? Is one easier to do or does it depend, more of a bowler preference?
for slide or no slide it is bowlers preference. some like to plant and throw and get more of a slingshot effect or rubber band. Some slide and that is just for wen ur releasing ur going with the ball on ur release. I throw 2 fingers and slide, but i also throw with 3 fingers and plant my foot.
i swear dude these people hating on two hand bowlers, they are just trying to get comments and attention. Makes me laugh how two hand haters blame on the lamest point in bowling, saying how its lame, ruins the sport etc... Yea I've seen two hand bowlers gutter every shot, so what. I see them don't hit their marks as consistent as one hand bowlers,and not getting their 10pin spare shots, but its all practice. SO STOP CRYING, its making bowling cool again, for real.
Pyerex I think people complaining about two handed bowlers don't understand that it's purely a two handed *APPROACH* , not a two handed release, meaning that they are basically doing the same thing as a one handed bowler, just with a different approach.
its pretty sad how my coach was mad because he needed to get re certified from USBC because of the two hand approach. I see why he is mad cuz he needs to pay money to fly there and get re certified, but its for the players dude. yi k e s. oh yea btw, lets hope bowling becomes a Olympic sport :^)
I honestly wouldn’t even be bowling if not for the two handed style. It’s made me love the game again. I enjoy watching it too and seeing all the variety and different styles today’s players have.
The only problem with a 2 hander is they have to trow the ball at a constant speed they can not trow the ball slow.or they will lose it On the down swing.wjen I was about 14 we use to use a 10lb ball with 2 hands way b4 it was popular.iam 72 now and have bowled in the scratch leagues for many years.i love 2 watch bowling on TV 2 hands or 1 it doesn't matter Belmo is the man .I used 1 hand.
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE My entire Junior League team is 2 handed, there are 5 of us and 4 (including me) average over 200. None of us track between the finger and thumb holes.
I bowl more "conventionally" as you said. My hand is never behind the ball. It's always on the side and I get a lot of revs because I'm basically just pulling up.
Sort of like cheating if you think about it. Two handed bowling isn't really bowling and they should have their own League if at all. To generate Twice The Rev rate as well as speed... I just think two handed bowling is ridiculous... About like playing frisbee, or they call it disc golf... Which in itself has not one thing to do with golf either
They release with one hand just like anyone else and use the other arm for support. They still have to make the shots and their rev rate is NOT twice as much as a one hander. You can practice and get the same rev rate with the modern release. Here is a video of what that looks like it’s instant rev rate with or without a thumb it’s just basic bowling knowledge of the modern day yo yo release. ruclips.net/video/quWlkdRyrJc/видео.html
Shannon Pluhowski does not throw a full roller. I don't know why they are saying she does. She doesn't have zero tilt either. She has less than average tilt amongst professionals and a higher than average track but absolutely NOT a full roller.
Amen! Finally someone with courage to call a "#2hands" bowler what it is... A one handed bowler that is to weak and under educated to hold a 13-16 lbs ball with one hand... Drop the bumpers, lose the ramp and bowl like a big girl....
They said nothing of the sort, and it has nothing to do with strength or anything like that, most people that bowl 2 handed do so because they find it more enjoyable, more comfortable or are better suited to a higher rev rate that bowling 2 handed allows them to do. Let me guess, you've had your ass kicked by 2 handers in league and now you're upset?
@@Providenza Those people you refer to that "enjoy it' are because they "learned" you they could throw it that way using a much heavier ball for more pop. Fact, very, very few 1 handers can get near the rev rate of a 2 hander as they by nature can keep their fingers farther below the equator at release thus imparting more RPM, simple physics. Compare the top 2 handers and the top 1 handers and with few exceptions (EJ Tacket) they are between 100 and 150 RPM greater in RPM generated. The 2 handed style also allows the off hand to help guide the ball on target more easily, I don't care much either way, but you've heard the term on the PBA of the "Belmo effect" where he can destroy a pattern for a 1 hander in just 1 game.
I would love to see an in depth video on the full roller style, and drilling options. I definitely roll full roller, with the ball tracking in between the fingers and thumb, and really have only found that the pin to the left of my thumb hole works well...
Check out my youtube channel which is dedicated to the Classic Full Roller style. I have a lot of videos there of many Full Rollers and videos of my own retro Full Roller style.
Kim Terrell .. love her. Learned a lot from her personally in my junior gold days
Miss you Kim. It's wayne from Serrabowl
Nice! This video might have just solved my one-handed release issue. The explaination of the "modern" release and how it is similar to a full-roller release might be the key for me. I can roll two-handed without a problem, but the "contemporary" 3/4 roller release--the way I try to do it--causes all kinds of trouble for me. Need to try the "modern" release. I've seen the motion in slow motion videos of bowlers like Sean Rash and Mike Fagan. (The little bit of experimenting I just did at home is encouraging. Hard to tell by how the ball rolls on carpet though!)
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Yeah, and none of that really helped. heh Being more sutble with my hand, relaxing, and temporarily slowing my speed down did help.
shuumai I have recently tried slowing my speed down with no good results. I have to be myself. My normal ball speed is 14.4- 16.0 With this being said, staying in the oil, my ball speed is slower. Hitting the 1board and smokin back to the pocket, my ball really gains speed and power. I can't explain this...
Though if your thumb is out in the two handed style, it creates both comfort and a more consistent release
It’s just about the feel of the person bowling, one handed or two bowling is all about the feel. If u feel bad with your performance fitting for your ball your never gonna Throw it well
Hmm.. I don't throw like this at all, but my 10 game average is 176, with a strike rate of 45% (as in 10 consecutive games). I don't use the thumb at all, and throw a 16lb ball... I wonder if they will do a more up to date video that covers more throwing styles. My style is far from "normal" but works quite well and is fairly consistent, though after about the 6th game my accuracy starts to suffer from fatigue.
When you think of the "figure eight" hand turn for the full roller you think Bill Allen. The king of the full roller release is the legendary Billy Hardwick.
Amen! Billy Hardwick is my favorite bowler of all time. I have some videos of him on my youtube channel which is dedicated to the classic Full Roller style.
And I have seen all of them. Thanks for your contribution. In fact, even though the full roller is discouraged to roll, I'm considering throwing it when I get back into bowling. Hopefully soon.
I've always understood a full roller as *only* tracking between the thumb and finger holes and nowhere else. What is being described here must be a track that covers the full circumference of the ball but with its axis shifted such that the track is moved outside of the thumb/finger hole space. Interesting. Maybe this type of roll could be called something else, e.g., "circle roller", "shifted-axis full roller", etc...???
Yeah, that has confused me for quite a while, and this vid finally made me understand. You're right --- there should almost be a different name for this delivery.
EDIT (2.1.17): Maybe they could call the original full-roller the "Classic full-roller" and the other one the "Modern full-roller". I'm glad I watched this vid, it answered a question I'd long had.
Hi guys 💥 I'm a new subscriber to your channel 😋 I have been told recently that I throw a "heavy ball". Is this good for me? My release is definitely like Shannon's. I have been bowling about a year and my avg. 189. Both of my bowling balls are drilled the same. Code Red and storm Intense are PIN-up and 1 inch right of ring finger. I have watched Lil Kim on ESPN many times. Always was smiling on the outside, but don't know what was churning Inside..If you can help me, it's very much appreciated....🐸
Hi Alan. Heavy ball” can mean several things: 1) the ball is actually too heavy for you, 2) the ball impacts the pins with a lot of force, 3) the balls tendency is to get through the skid/hook/roll phases of ball motion quickly. Lets look at each description to see if they’re good for a bowler.1. If the ball is too heavy for your physical game you will want to find the proper weight for your technique. Too heavy of a ball can lead to poor mechanics and therefore bad habits or limited versatility and accuracy. The Bowling Academy has several videos to help:a. What Bowling Ball Weight Should I Use? (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/what-bowling-ball-weight-should-i-use-007636/)b. Ball Weight in Bowling Stance - USBC Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/ball-weight-in-bowling-stance-005846/)c. Choosing a Bowling Ball That is Right for Your Arsenal (www.google.com/url?q=www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/choosing-a-bowling-ball-thats-right-for-your-arsenal-008630/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi6nvvSz8fdAhUGLa0KHYU_CgoQFggVMAg&client=internal-uds-cse&cx=partner-pub-9803348624097437:9753022016&usg=AOvVaw0SM5_mUoTHWJjvSpQIXayY)1. If the ball impacts the pins with a lot of speed and force the results can be beneficial for pin fall. It’s as important to know where the balls impacting the pocket for a “heavy roll” so here are a couple videos about the strike pocket.a. Facts About the Bowling Strike Pocket | USBC Bowling Academy (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-strike-pocket-013734/)b. How to Get Strikes in Bowling: Entry Angle Techniques - USBC Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/how-to-get-strikes-in-bowling-entry-angle-techniques-005804/)c. Bowling Pocket and Strike Percentages (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-pocket-and-strike-percentages-007641/)1. If the ball motion leaves the skid phase and enters the hook and roll phases quickly the ball can be identified as a “heavy rolling” hook motion. This can be good for heavy oil or long length lane conditions but may need adjusting for short or low volume patterns. Here are videos on ball motion.a. Understanding Bowling Ball Motion (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/understanding-bowling-ball-motion-008618/)b. Breaking Down Ball Motion - Bowling Training Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/breaking-down-ball-motion-005548/)c. Bowling Lane Play | USBC Bowling Academy (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/videos/lane-play/page/6/)It may be easier to have a certified coach on hand to help with your specific needs. Look for one to help work with your game. Visit www.bowl.com and use the “Find a…” tab (top right of the page) to locate a coach. Enter your zip code and a radius then click “search.” It may also help to locate a certified pro shop operator in your area by using the IBPSIA website and searching your zip code. Here’s their address www.ibpsia.com/go/find_shop/type/shop/by_state.Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
I only bowl once or twice a year so I'm not very good (average around 140). I straight bowl mostly and I think I release the ball evenly from my fingers and connect very smooth with the lane. Also, I end up very low when releasing able to palm the floor. I wonder if this is not a suggested technique or it's whatever works best for you?
Well three years later, here’s your answer. To have the best chance of striking you have to generate 11 degrees of entry angle. The length and narrowness of a bowling lane will not let you get far enough left or right to get that throwing it straight, so you have to learn to hook it to strike the most and advance your game. However if you just go out a couple times a year and have fun, throw it however you want and have a good time.
@@CurtisL8.3066 thanks for the tip. Next time I go I will give it a try.
How about the UFO Spinner release
That's an Asian thing
@@robbyking8756 hahaha true
im full roller, should i change to semi? pros and cons?
Hello,This video will help you with your question.www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/bowling-ball-types-track-identification-005790/ We’ve produced some of our content at Margate Lanes in Ft. Lauderdale and would highly recommend bowling there!Thanks for watching!
Is the 2 handed release a traditional release?
Dumb, no. actually two handed style but releases one hand at the release point. Not two handed release, it is two handed style
i cant swing the ball straight and it end up behind my back help pls
Aggelos Peros think of it like shaking hands with someone a straight forward motion
Aggelos Peros You can "shake hands with the head pin"
How about the UFO release?
I noticed that at the end of this video the bowler doesn't slide she just plants her foot. I've not noticed this before. Is there a reason why she does this? Is one easier to do or does it depend, more of a bowler preference?
I believe it is more of a bowler preference like a bowler chooses to use the thumb inside the thumb hole or not.
for slide or no slide it is bowlers preference. some like to plant and throw and get more of a slingshot effect or rubber band. Some slide and that is just for wen ur releasing ur going with the ball on ur release. I throw 2 fingers and slide, but i also throw with 3 fingers and plant my foot.
I ment full roller not mid roller
i swear dude these people hating on two hand bowlers, they are just trying to get comments and attention. Makes me laugh how two hand haters blame on the lamest point in bowling, saying how its lame, ruins the sport etc... Yea I've seen two hand bowlers gutter every shot, so what. I see them don't hit their marks as consistent as one hand bowlers,and not getting their 10pin spare shots, but its all practice. SO STOP CRYING, its making bowling cool again, for real.
Pyerex I think people complaining about two handed bowlers don't understand that it's purely a two handed *APPROACH* , not a two handed release, meaning that they are basically doing the same thing as a one handed bowler, just with a different approach.
@@coltyn2003yup!
its pretty sad how my coach was mad because he needed to get re certified from USBC because of the two hand approach. I see why he is mad cuz he needs to pay money to fly there and get re certified, but its for the players dude. yi k e s. oh yea btw, lets hope bowling becomes a Olympic sport :^)
I honestly wouldn’t even be bowling if not for the two handed style. It’s made me love the game again. I enjoy watching it too and seeing all the variety and different styles today’s players have.
The only problem with a 2 hander is they have to trow the ball at a constant speed they can not trow the ball slow.or they will lose it
On the down swing.wjen I was about 14 we use to use a 10lb ball with 2 hands way b4 it was popular.iam 72 now and have bowled in the scratch leagues for many years.i love 2 watch bowling on TV 2 hands or 1 it doesn't matter Belmo is the man .I used 1 hand.
I kinda noticed that the slide is disappearing
I love slideing
My bowling style is more of a Stroker.
tell statistic 2022 PBA bowlers using spinner, semi roller, mid roller release in prosents
i am a two handed full roller
then you're a really shitty two handed bowler
ari neiman most two handers are full roller because most of them track betwen the fingers and thumb
ari neiman between*
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE My entire Junior League team is 2 handed, there are 5 of us and 4 (including me) average over 200. None of us track between the finger and thumb holes.
@@djdjsjdhbd8092 he said most
Forgot about 2 finger release
I bowl more "conventionally" as you said. My hand is never behind the ball. It's always on the side and I get a lot of revs because I'm basically just pulling up.
You don’t get alot of revs pulling up that’s so old school and totally inaccurate as far as shot making is concerned.
I’ve seen so many people attempt the 2 handed and 90% of the time they suck
Sort of like cheating if you think about it. Two handed bowling isn't really bowling and they should have their own League if at all. To generate Twice The Rev rate as well as speed... I just think two handed bowling is ridiculous... About like playing frisbee, or they call it disc golf... Which in itself has not one thing to do with golf either
They release with one hand just like anyone else and use the other arm for support. They still have to make the shots and their rev rate is NOT twice as much as a one hander. You can practice and get the same rev rate with the modern release. Here is a video of what that looks like it’s instant rev rate with or without a thumb it’s just basic bowling knowledge of the modern day yo yo release.
ruclips.net/video/quWlkdRyrJc/видео.html
Shannon Pluhowski does not throw a full roller. I don't know why they are saying she does. She doesn't have zero tilt either. She has less than average tilt amongst professionals and a higher than average track but absolutely NOT a full roller.
The two hand release should be outlawed. Just like the belly putter was in golf.
There is 69 comments so don't reply goddammit!
The two handed thing is just a fad to me.
She is actually a grown and sexy woman
The two-handed release IS INCREDIBLY LAME!
Yea, it really is. It's almost ruining bowling. It's too easy to strike.
CIRESEMAHT It also brings a very childish element into it...It's almost like playing with bumpers to me.
+nin6246 I never looked at it that way, but that's a good point. I find it childish as well now lol.
CIRESEMAHT Haha
how does it bring a childish element?
Amen! Finally someone with courage to call a "#2hands" bowler what it is... A one handed bowler that is to weak and under educated to hold a 13-16 lbs ball with one hand... Drop the bumpers, lose the ramp and bowl like a big girl....
I agree looks naff, but it does create more revs.
They said nothing of the sort, and it has nothing to do with strength or anything like that, most people that bowl 2 handed do so because they find it more enjoyable, more comfortable or are better suited to a higher rev rate that bowling 2 handed allows them to do. Let me guess, you've had your ass kicked by 2 handers in league and now you're upset?
@@Providenza Those people you refer to that "enjoy it' are because they "learned" you they could throw it that way using a much heavier ball for more pop. Fact, very, very few 1 handers can get near the rev rate of a 2 hander as they by nature can keep their fingers farther below the equator at release thus imparting more RPM, simple physics. Compare the top 2 handers and the top 1 handers and with few exceptions (EJ Tacket) they are between 100 and 150 RPM greater in RPM generated. The 2 handed style also allows the off hand to help guide the ball on target more easily, I don't care much either way, but you've heard the term on the PBA of the "Belmo effect" where he can destroy a pattern for a 1 hander in just 1 game.