This gen for red and blue hasnt been very good, but efficiency is a necessary step in the right direction. Hopefully the engineers learned something and will deliver higher pref at or just a little above the wattage limit of now (AMD did great with effiency) Not upgrading from my i5-2410M, it does things fine (Im actually just broke)
I can see it being disappointing in our niche of the market.... But for laptops, mobile gaming systems with discrete graphics, business laptops, etc., the lower power consumption is actually huge and Intel has been working on software support for the NPU, so I don't think it's fair to call that a nothing burger either. Again for DESKTOP GAMERS it may not matter, but all these improvements are huge for the mobile space which is where most of these companies make their money. DIY desktop sales are miniscule in the grand scheme of Intel and AMD client revenue. I'll wait to see the usual suspects get their FULL reviews out. This looks like a winner in everything but gaming and even then I"ll wait for the final reviews. Cheers!
The fact is the 14900K and certainly 14900KS should have never existed maybe mot even the 13900K those were just so pushed and power hungry and hot. I had a 14900K that was cooked AF after only a few months of use, rather have a CPU that can do almost the same performance but doesn’t kill itself, and as a plus having gen 5 SSD without losing GPU PCIE lanes so yeah J ordered the 285K. Am hoping to get to the same performance by unlocking the power limit and doing a small auto overclock combined with 8000MT/s DDR5 CUDIMM.
@@SiliconSteak pre ordered it with my local electronics store. Don’t know when I’ll get it, I was very quick to order it so if they follow the order in which people ordered I might get it on the 24th already I hope but It depends I guess. Just bought myself a T705 Gen 5 SSD for this new platform, curious to see if it helps in my specific use case.
@@SiliconSteakProbably not but my use case is a little different from the usual game and uses 100% of the CPU during loading and so reads the NVME SSD as fast as it will go and the as fast as the CPU can keep up with, so I do think I will see a small difference there which will become bigger and bigger the faster CPU’s get (unless direct storage gets implemented of course). I wanted to wait for the samsung replacement for the 990Pro but I think the T705 is gonna be the same thing. The T700 wasn’t interesting enough but 14,5 Gigabytes per second read speed that I gotta see. I won’t be able to give u an a objective result because I don’t have a decent gen 4 drive to compare it with anymore but I might get another 4TB 990 Pro to connect to the x4 PCIE to CPU slot and then I could move the games from drive to drive and test the speeds improvements if there are any, I will update here if I get one in the future.
Not to the average gamer apparently. Seems they would take a risk of their house burning down just to gain a few FPS in performance then have a cooler chip.
Yes, for mobile chips. Like I would love if my intel laptop got better battery life. Intel is focusing hard on improving low power and mid power efficiency with the new architectures. Efficiency matters a lot there. It's the difference between 4 hours of battery and 7 hours. That's a significant improvement. As for desktop, my desktop is located in a different room. It doesn't matter how outrageous the cooling requirements get, I'll manage. Raptorlake required direct die with the power density it required to hit peak performance.
I just ordered 3 140x140x30mm 175cfm 3000rpm industrial fans for my air cooler, and 2 200x200x60mm 120v AC 425cfm 3200rpm industrial cooling fans for my case. All together my fans alone will be drawing 220 watts, and cycling all the cubic air volume in my room every minute. >_> I'll put Linus's "blowy matron" video to shame, and make Heavy from TF2 proud! Redneck ingenuity!
That's funny how Intel and AMD can't demonstrate any kind of meaningful progress in price/performance so they advertise efficiency which is nothing burger for desktops/servers. I will stick with my i7-12700K with 8+4 cores and 20 threads for $320
Upgrading depends on where you come from. If you come from an alder lake/ raptor lake then arrow lake makes no sense. But if you come from older hardware like Zen 2 / rocket lake or such then these new cpus are a valid choice. I would take arrow lake any day of the week before I would pick a 13th / 14th gen intel cpu. Having said that I sport a 5950x and I am in a bit of a gray zone whether I should upgrade my platform or not. My gaming is a bit lackluster as I am cpu limited in Rust as well as some other games.
@@oysterhead5150 CPU has minimal impact on GPU performance. If you are looking at REBAR or PCI 5.0 direct lane to CPU then you want INTEL combo. Other than that any 5 year old CPU is capable.
@@paulboyce8537 A Ryzen 5600X will not hold its own against 14900K or 7800X3D in gaming, its been proven many times in so many benchmarks, and is only 4 years old. So no a 5 year old CPU is barely capable lol.
@@oysterhead5150 You failed the point where just changing the CPU makes only a small difference. Yet we make a huge deal out of it. But if you are using REBAR and E Cores the story is very different. For AMD/Nvidia GPU's this is +-5% so in reality nothing making my point obvious that these GPU do not rely on CPU performance.
Did not cook Itself should be the title. But for real why are gamers such cry babies? You want another CPU to cook popcorn on for a whooping extra 5 FPS over last gen lmao. Like your really gonna be CPU bound on these chips with any midrange GPU out these days anyways. The efficiency gains at the same or a little less performance is a huge W for ARL. Raptor lake was too powerful for its own good hence why it could not keep stable power. Do you really want them to keep pushing more power for what? I don't get it. Maybe you should stick with X3D. Content creators on the other hand will be amazed by these chips. Gamers never ever seem pleased and always want more more more!
I actually prefer Intel if I had to upgrade (just equal gaming or 10% more multi for a whole new platform sucks) I was hoping arrow lake would have done better is all
This thing has the performance of a 14900k, with insanely better power consumption, begging to be oc’d on a great mobo, with soon to be ridiculously fast ram speed capabilities. How tf is this not light years better than zen 5? wtf are we even talking about here? The ONLY thing u can knock this cpu on is gaming performance…which I just stated can be alleviated.
@@SiliconSteakalso, go ahead, buy a 7800x3d, u can only play games on it, how useful. U think 9800x3d is any different. X3d chips have always been lower tier chips with 3D vcache which at some point (maybe now, maybe not) will at some point be at diminishing returns. 285k is by far the best all around, all purpose, cpu, period. I’ll wait for u or anyone to explain to me how I’m wrong.
You are so not informed. Arrow Lake is so under powered yet on bar. Maybe grow a bit. The extreme for 285k is 295W. You have so limited view that you miss the big picture. CPU has next to no effect to the GPU performance for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. Overall system performance will bring the level up but that is different. You can go from 1080p to 4k and the CPU usage won't change hovering around 50%. It will still do the most basic tasks regardless of resolution/GPU load. Personally if you have any top CPU from last 5 plus year you are good. Only point is if you are using REBAR. Again just like E Cores the gain with REBAR for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. +-5%. But for INTEL ARC architecture things start to change. Alchemist almost doubles it performance with REBAR on enabling the CPU to pair with ARC GPU to configure a two silicon architecture. It worked on AMD CPU but on INTEL CPU we are seeing 20% lift and with every driver update the gap is widening exposing the real potential of the Alchemist optimizing the pairing to INTEL CPU. So lets take a step forward. X870 and Z890 boards will give direct lane PCI 5.0 to the CPU that you might want to call "REBAR on steroids". Now you can call this as true dual silicon performance/architecture for INTEL ARC. Hence the early launch for the X870 even that the CPU's are maybe coming 2025 if not at all. In real life this means no queuing or waiting. This means no stutter or broken frames. Comparing performance it means ARC 60FPS is better than 120FPS from AMD/Nvidia for gaming experience without stutter at high resolution/demand. In Wattage it means Arrow Lake 250-295W + Battlemage 250-275W = 500-570W combined power. Wattage in general = performance. AMD CPU would give you 170W max and loose 125W of performance in the worse case. Add to that no queuing and no waiting where every frame is good. 5080 for example 400W standalone card. Then we have the price. 5080 $1200-1500 predicted + Ryzen 9 9950X $650 + X870/Ram $600 = $2450- 2750. Arrow Lake 285K $600 + Battlemage $500 + Z890 board/Ram $600 = $1700. Plus I predict the ARC all INTEL combo will wipe the floor with AMD/Nvidia combo.
Interesting take. In case you are new to the channel, I encourage my viewers to challenge my takes, I find other people’s opinions valuable. This is just my reaction to Arrow Lake off the rip. I have been looking forward to arrow lake since it was announced when alder lake came out, I always thought it would be a huge performance leap, I just got very disappointed with these numbers tbh
@@SiliconSteak Not worried about Arrow Lake. It is very much under powered for obvious problems that were caused by ASUS (China) for 13th and 14th gens. It was deliberate. I have no doubt about that. W680 board almost brought the internet down with 100% fail. It was a clear attack on West. Security reasons INTEL pulled out from China hence 15k jobs lost.
@@SiliconSteak Not worried about Arrow Lake. It is very much under powered for obvious problems that were caused by ASUS (China) for 13th and 14th gens. It was deliberate. I have no doubt about that. W680 board almost brought the internet down with 100% CPU fail for servers. It was a clear attack on West. Security reasons INTEL pulled out from China hence 15k jobs lost. China/Taiwan has 100% monopoly on motherboards. West has 100% monopoly on CPU's. That's the point no one is talking about. You as a creator can't put any of this up without it been pulled down.
@@paulboyce8537The 285k TDP is 250w. This is considered max turbo. You are welcome to exceed TDP, I hope you have RMA if you are dumping ~300w through the power delivery.
@@direct34 295W is reference from leaked L2 power. I acknowledge the released BIOS's has limits. It was paper launch mostly. So when we have new BIOS's, micro code and win11 update to actually support the Arrow Lake we might see more Wattage. It is the flagship so you would think if you are after power savings you get the 245k/265k instead. I hope the early specs are the real specs that are going to be coming. I also understand underpowering because 13th/14th was destroyed by ASUS. Again with ASUS it extreme was frying the CPU without performance boost. So I think the low limit was valid for exposing what happened before and the limited release with ASUS boards for the reviewers. This also politics going very deep.
This gen for red and blue hasnt been very good, but efficiency is a necessary step in the right direction. Hopefully the engineers learned something and will deliver higher pref at or just a little above the wattage limit of now (AMD did great with effiency)
Not upgrading from my i5-2410M, it does things fine (Im actually just broke)
Respect for holding your hardware that long 🫡
@@SiliconSteak lmao, I also have a i5 8250.
Wish I could get the 5 5600G and maybe A750, my projects are too shallow tho
I can see it being disappointing in our niche of the market....
But for laptops, mobile gaming systems with discrete graphics, business laptops, etc., the lower power consumption is actually huge and Intel has been working on software support for the NPU, so I don't think it's fair to call that a nothing burger either. Again for DESKTOP GAMERS it may not matter, but all these improvements are huge for the mobile space which is where most of these companies make their money. DIY desktop sales are miniscule in the grand scheme of Intel and AMD client revenue.
I'll wait to see the usual suspects get their FULL reviews out. This looks like a winner in everything but gaming and even then I"ll wait for the final reviews. Cheers!
@@MrHav1k I’m just disappointed is all. It will slay in laptop
The fact is the 14900K and certainly 14900KS should have never existed maybe mot even the 13900K those were just so pushed and power hungry and hot. I had a 14900K that was cooked AF after only a few months of use, rather have a CPU that can do almost the same performance but doesn’t kill itself, and as a plus having gen 5 SSD without losing GPU PCIE lanes so yeah J ordered the 285K. Am hoping to get to the same performance by unlocking the power limit and doing a small auto overclock combined with 8000MT/s DDR5 CUDIMM.
I saw that the 285k is sold out on Newegg
@@SiliconSteak pre ordered it with my local electronics store. Don’t know when I’ll get it, I was very quick to order it so if they follow the order in which people ordered I might get it on the 24th already I hope but It depends I guess.
Just bought myself a T705 Gen 5 SSD for this new platform, curious to see if it helps in my specific use case.
Let me know how the gen5 ssd turns out. I don’t think past gen 4 is worth it but I could be wrong
@@SiliconSteakProbably not but my use case is a little different from the usual game and uses 100% of the CPU during loading and so reads the NVME SSD as fast as it will go and the as fast as the CPU can keep up with, so I do think I will see a small difference there which will become bigger and bigger the faster CPU’s get (unless direct storage gets implemented of course). I wanted to wait for the samsung replacement for the 990Pro but I think the T705 is gonna be the same thing. The T700 wasn’t interesting enough but 14,5 Gigabytes per second read speed that I gotta see.
I won’t be able to give u an a objective result because I don’t have a decent gen 4 drive to compare it with anymore but I might get another 4TB 990 Pro to connect to the x4 PCIE to CPU slot and then I could move the games from drive to drive and test the speeds improvements if there are any, I will update here if I get one in the future.
Latency is a big question, since 10900k latency just went higher
I disagree.. efficiency improvements are huge.
Not to the average gamer apparently. Seems they would take a risk of their house burning down just to gain a few FPS in performance then have a cooler chip.
Yes, for mobile chips.
Like I would love if my intel laptop got better battery life. Intel is focusing hard on improving low power and mid power efficiency with the new architectures. Efficiency matters a lot there. It's the difference between 4 hours of battery and 7 hours. That's a significant improvement.
As for desktop, my desktop is located in a different room. It doesn't matter how outrageous the cooling requirements get, I'll manage. Raptorlake required direct die with the power density it required to hit peak performance.
@@thetheoryguy5544 lmao!
I just ordered 3 140x140x30mm 175cfm 3000rpm industrial fans for my air cooler, and 2 200x200x60mm 120v AC 425cfm 3200rpm industrial cooling fans for my case.
All together my fans alone will be drawing 220 watts, and cycling all the cubic air volume in my room every minute. >_>
I'll put Linus's "blowy matron" video to shame, and make Heavy from TF2 proud! Redneck ingenuity!
That's funny how Intel and AMD can't demonstrate any kind of meaningful progress in price/performance so they advertise efficiency which is nothing burger for desktops/servers. I will stick with my i7-12700K with 8+4 cores and 20 threads for $320
With limited resources you can only focus on one thing at a time. Efficiency it is now and mobile users will probably love these!
Upgrading depends on where you come from. If you come from an alder lake/ raptor lake then arrow lake makes no sense. But if you come from older hardware like Zen 2 / rocket lake or such then these new cpus are a valid choice. I would take arrow lake any day of the week before I would pick a 13th / 14th gen intel cpu. Having said that I sport a 5950x and I am in a bit of a gray zone whether I should upgrade my platform or not. My gaming is a bit lackluster as I am cpu limited in Rust as well as some other games.
I just got a 12th gen last year
Most people are waiting for the 9800X3D, not Arrow Lake
Why?
@@paulboyce8537 Because it will most likely perform better in gaming.
@@oysterhead5150 CPU has minimal impact on GPU performance. If you are looking at REBAR or PCI 5.0 direct lane to CPU then you want INTEL combo. Other than that any 5 year old CPU is capable.
@@paulboyce8537 A Ryzen 5600X will not hold its own against 14900K or 7800X3D in gaming, its been proven many times in so many benchmarks, and is only 4 years old. So no a 5 year old CPU is barely capable lol.
@@oysterhead5150 You failed the point where just changing the CPU makes only a small difference. Yet we make a huge deal out of it. But if you are using REBAR and E Cores the story is very different. For AMD/Nvidia GPU's this is +-5% so in reality nothing making my point obvious that these GPU do not rely on CPU performance.
Arrow lake got cooked 🔥
Did not cook Itself should be the title. But for real why are gamers such cry babies? You want another CPU to cook popcorn on for a whooping extra 5 FPS over last gen lmao. Like your really gonna be CPU bound on these chips with any midrange GPU out these days anyways. The efficiency gains at the same or a little less performance is a huge W for ARL. Raptor lake was too powerful for its own good hence why it could not keep stable power. Do you really want them to keep pushing more power for what? I don't get it. Maybe you should stick with X3D. Content creators on the other hand will be amazed by these chips. Gamers never ever seem pleased and always want more more more!
For certain content creators it is a W. Other than that, it doesn’t offer the rest of us much
I like that title idea…
Ur an AMD fanboy, u ignore all aspects that matter and magnify everything that fits ur narrative.
I actually prefer Intel if I had to upgrade (just equal gaming or 10% more multi for a whole new platform sucks) I was hoping arrow lake would have done better is all
This thing has the performance of a 14900k, with insanely better power consumption, begging to be oc’d on a great mobo, with soon to be ridiculously fast ram speed capabilities. How tf is this not light years better than zen 5? wtf are we even talking about here? The ONLY thing u can knock this cpu on is gaming performance…which I just stated can be alleviated.
It seems like we agree, watch the video that’s what I say. Gamers have a x3d solution, everyone else can do team blue for production/gaming mix
@@SiliconSteakalso, go ahead, buy a 7800x3d, u can only play games on it, how useful. U think 9800x3d is any different. X3d chips have always been lower tier chips with 3D vcache which at some point (maybe now, maybe not) will at some point be at diminishing returns. 285k is by far the best all around, all purpose, cpu, period. I’ll wait for u or anyone to explain to me how I’m wrong.
I have a 13700k, because I need multicore (I am a creator) and I won’t be upgrading because I would like much more perf for upgrading
great!! now i can start to build AMD fk intel
You are miss informed.
@@paulboyce8537 ULTRA 285k 5% less than a i9 14900k but cooler wow
You are so not informed. Arrow Lake is so under powered yet on bar. Maybe grow a bit. The extreme for 285k is 295W. You have so limited view that you miss the big picture.
CPU has next to no effect to the GPU performance for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. Overall system performance will bring the level up but that is different. You can go from 1080p to 4k and the CPU usage won't change hovering around 50%. It will still do the most basic tasks regardless of resolution/GPU load. Personally if you have any top CPU from last 5 plus year you are good.
Only point is if you are using REBAR. Again just like E Cores the gain with REBAR for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. +-5%. But for INTEL ARC architecture things start to change. Alchemist almost doubles it performance with REBAR on enabling the CPU to pair with ARC GPU to configure a two silicon architecture. It worked on AMD CPU but on INTEL CPU we are seeing 20% lift and with every driver update the gap is widening exposing the real potential of the Alchemist optimizing the pairing to INTEL CPU.
So lets take a step forward. X870 and Z890 boards will give direct lane PCI 5.0 to the CPU that you might want to call "REBAR on steroids". Now you can call this as true dual silicon performance/architecture for INTEL ARC. Hence the early launch for the X870 even that the CPU's are maybe coming 2025 if not at all. In real life this means no queuing or waiting. This means no stutter or broken frames. Comparing performance it means ARC 60FPS is better than 120FPS from AMD/Nvidia for gaming experience without stutter at high resolution/demand. In Wattage it means Arrow Lake 250-295W + Battlemage 250-275W = 500-570W combined power. Wattage in general = performance. AMD CPU would give you 170W max and loose 125W of performance in the worse case. Add to that no queuing and no waiting where every frame is good. 5080 for example 400W standalone card.
Then we have the price.
5080 $1200-1500 predicted + Ryzen 9 9950X $650 + X870/Ram $600 = $2450- 2750.
Arrow Lake 285K $600 + Battlemage $500 + Z890 board/Ram $600 = $1700.
Plus I predict the ARC all INTEL combo will wipe the floor with AMD/Nvidia combo.
Interesting take. In case you are new to the channel, I encourage my viewers to challenge my takes, I find other people’s opinions valuable. This is just my reaction to Arrow Lake off the rip. I have been looking forward to arrow lake since it was announced when alder lake came out, I always thought it would be a huge performance leap, I just got very disappointed with these numbers tbh
@@SiliconSteak Not worried about Arrow Lake. It is very much under powered for obvious problems that were caused by ASUS (China) for 13th and 14th gens. It was deliberate. I have no doubt about that. W680 board almost brought the internet down with 100% fail. It was a clear attack on West. Security reasons INTEL pulled out from China hence 15k jobs lost.
@@SiliconSteak Not worried about Arrow Lake. It is very much under powered for obvious problems that were caused by ASUS (China) for 13th and 14th gens. It was deliberate. I have no doubt about that. W680 board almost brought the internet down with 100% CPU fail for servers. It was a clear attack on West. Security reasons INTEL pulled out from China hence 15k jobs lost. China/Taiwan has 100% monopoly on motherboards. West has 100% monopoly on CPU's. That's the point no one is talking about. You as a creator can't put any of this up without it been pulled down.
@@paulboyce8537The 285k TDP is 250w. This is considered max turbo. You are welcome to exceed TDP, I hope you have RMA if you are dumping ~300w through the power delivery.
@@direct34 295W is reference from leaked L2 power. I acknowledge the released BIOS's has limits. It was paper launch mostly. So when we have new BIOS's, micro code and win11 update to actually support the Arrow Lake we might see more Wattage. It is the flagship so you would think if you are after power savings you get the 245k/265k instead. I hope the early specs are the real specs that are going to be coming. I also understand underpowering because 13th/14th was destroyed by ASUS. Again with ASUS it extreme was frying the CPU without performance boost. So I think the low limit was valid for exposing what happened before and the limited release with ASUS boards for the reviewers. This also politics going very deep.
I call BULLSHIT.
Wait for 16th GEN Intel and skip Arrow Lake if you are gaming. Give us 24 P core chip please. Get rid of e-cores.
i like e cores
@@SiliconSteak They are great on my 14900KS for doing some rendering work. I'm a gamer and want all the P-core POWER lol.