I travel frequently 400km in about -2 degrees in germany. I observed high consumption at start of 27kwh no matter if 90 or 140 kmh. But if I drive a while 150-170 kmh consumption goes down to 23 kwh /100km when driving 130kmh. I always speed up to 160kmh bevor charging on this route to have 75kw charging speed even in -5 degrees. I drive the e-Soul 64kwh battery about 5000km / month. Yes there is some cold gating and still I need only 2h for those 200km up in the Mountains one way and arrive with 20%. So cool car, love it! Long distance of 550km take me about 6h compared to 5.30 in summer.
This kia cost 46,000 here in the u.s. with heated seats ,sun roof ,heated steering wheel 😵 . Today I test drove a tesla model y in Boston . The Tesla employee I dealt with knew all your channel and enjoyed your test 👌. The performance y I drove was the most capable car I have driven. I worked as a Car mechanic as a young man ,mostly german cars ,some exotics ,even muscle cars up to the year 2000. Driving a Tesla being a recovering ice mechanic Was a life changing experience ...... Not because it was the fastest ,safest , most sophisticated automobiles I have ever driven ..... All those attributes were astounding , but the lack of mechanical operations of a ice engine and all its internal parts and subsystems are not present in a vehicle I'm driving 🤔 Previously when driving ice cars I was listening and appreciating it's seamless engine management and transmission functions and the sound of all that complexity that Ice industry I had studied learned and worked in wasn't in my mind or under the hood of a tesla ! It's great to experience such a monumental change in cars and energy systems , . I don't have to worry about internal engine wear in winter, clean fuel ,filters, belts, block heaters ,head gasket , variable valve timing mechanisms ,and of course timing belts and spark plug ,.on at infinitem . Auto pilot was unusual at first but is amazing , driving the future of transportation , . I ordered a cyber truck a while back , I may have to get a model y In the interim . Keep up the best ev testing videos on youtube coning 👍✌️
A few efficiencies built in the Niro include the use of seat warmers (more efficient than cabin heaters), "Driver Only" mode (heats only the driver side), and there are a few more efficiencies gained if you move to ECO mode (maybe better regeneration of brakes and smarter use of the heat pump, which I assume is included in your vehicle). In the US, the "Winter Package" is an add-on package which comes with three items (battery heater, heat pump, and heated steering wheel).
One thing I did find out is the few sellers in the west coast don’t have or advertise any winter package or heat pump which leads to allot of confusion when you try to purchase online. In my case I can’t find any near me in the jersey shore.
This is excellent timing. About to get my Kia eniro within next few weeks so can't wait. Really want to try out the camping mode. I hope this video doesn't make me regret my choice. Thanks for the excellent content again.
Me too! Mine is on order and is due at the end of the month. I keep having doubts but when I actually look at the alternatives I see the following issues. 1) The ID3 and model 3 are not really comparable due to size and more expensive even the Kona is a little smaller. 2) Although the ID4 and Skoda Enyaq base prices are similar by the time you start adding all the bells and whistles you get on the Kia they cost thousands more and are not available yet. 3) Many of the cheaper cars are either smaller, don't have the range or do not come with the premium features of the E-niro (Zoe, MG etc). 4) Kia warranty. The only real drawback I see with the E-niro over some of the other cars is the charging speed but I don't intend to use the DC charging much if at all. Just my opinion though.
Just received my e-Niro and really happy with it (coming from a Volkswagen Passat GTE). At the moment the heated steering wheel is gold. Range approximately 350 km just above 0 degrees Celsius with 100% and 100 km/h driving most of the time. Distance reported by the car needs a correction of 7% in my case.
@@JoopHbR Honestly. Can't wait for it to arrive and can't wait to see what it's like to sleep in as well. That's why I'm dying to see the next chapter of the video.
@@ukmidnighter Sleeping in the e-Niro is amazing. I do it all the time when I have the chance. What you have to make sure is to fill up the space between the front seats and the rear seats with bags or something to have some support. Also use an inflatable air matress for car use. I think its the best option.
Edit: I see similar results from initial tests here in Göteborg. Was around -3 C but for some reason the car was spending close to 1.7 kW on climate. Thank you, Björn. I took delivery of my e-Niro Advance+ and Tech just a few days ago. Great timing of this video 👍
the low battery warning on your first stop was for the 12v battery. It is not charged by the main battery when its status is below 15%. You should put it into utility mode perhaps or shut the car down.
I would suggest that the condenser is losing airflow due to continuous cold operation. This would explain why it is struggling. Normally air type heat pumps would have a back up element (PTC in automotive) to assist or replace the heat pump at lower temps due to frosting exceeding the reverse cycle defrost & the COP value going negative.
Doubt it, air at minus 25 has only a small amount of moisture that could freeze on contact with the cold condenser. If it is even a air cooled condenser at all, the Model 3 has a liquid cool condenser while the coolant takes the heat from the drive unit, battery and radiator.
Even in my old gas truck, I used to turn the temperature in the cab right down to about 10 C and then turn on the heated seat. I was dressed in my normal jacket and winter shoes when driving and it improved my attention and I was very comfy. By the way, that is a huge cabin to heat. I am not surprised by the energy usage.
Wish the Polestar 2 had a similiar "Energy Consumption" tab in the center display. I think the heater is the big energy spender in the PS2 aswell, big difference turning the climate off during my tests. :)
If you start with a full bottle of Coke you can supercool it to below freezing and it will stay liquid because pressure. Then you open the bottle and the whole thing turns to slush.
5:25 that train can easily do 160km/h on that specific track if it wanted to, more efficient than your car (comparing weight, passengers aso) Though trains have strict time tables to follow, missing them implies consequences for everyone else. Time tables are made by commity once per year. Train drivers are incentivised to use as little w/km as possible. Can regen by wire
It's a Stadler FLIRT and the norwegian ones can go 200km/h max. But this should be the older non-highspeed line, where the speed is restricted in this section.
The real problem with Kia eNiro is the price: in Romania it cost 52.000 Euros and Hyndai eKona is around 35.000 Euros - we have 11.000Euro BEV incentives but only if the manufacturer and the buyer pays taxes in Romania, that means that eNiro is 41.000Euro and eKona is 24.000 Euros = shame on Kia. Big like for your work Bjorn.
It's expensive in Sweden too, starting at 485k SEK. After incentives, that's 425k SEK, roughly 42k€. Lightly used ones, less than a year old, cost around 36k€ which is pretty expensive, too.
@@patreekotime4578 it depends on the importers: how much market share they want to have in different car segments. Kia is very bad managed in Romania. I was a Kia dealer for many years but gave up, FCA and Toyota are not great but better. Ford, Hyndai, VAG and Renault are the best managed car brands in Romania.
The koreans have some real coldgate issues. It would be great if there was a way to turn on the battery heater before the charger is reached. The climate consumption is really high. I wonder if the heat pump has trouble running at very low temp.
@@zbyszanna according to some presentation Kia gave last year, their heat pump should scavenge heat from the battery pack: "The heat pump system has now been developed further for new EVs from Hyundai and Kia. The new system scavenges significantly more energy by recycling additional waste heat not only from power electrics (PE) modules (such as drive motors, on-board chargers, and inverters), but also from the battery pack and slow charger." Source: www.greencarcongress.com/2020/06/20200610-hyundaikia.html
On my own (lease) E-Niro model year 2019 the battery needs to be around 25 degrees before you can charge at the maximum speed. In winter weather you won't get that temperature with just driving around 100KM/h. During charging the battery heats up a bit and you will get there. It would be nice for sure if you could heat it up before the charging session.
It would be great if all EVs could be heated on route to a fast charger. Even Tesla, if I understand correctly, does this only for Superchargers, why not any fast charger? Faster winter charging (a major concern for me and probably lots of others) is a simple software fix away, not sure why the manufacturers won't clue in to this.
Björn just to let you know that the dashed out GOM in your video is only due to the fact you had a destination set that was active in your nav. If you cancel the route before you get to your destination, the GOM will come back and display almost down to 0 KM without dashes. Something I learned with my e-niro. Interesting test of the heat pump, it seems below -16, it's almost non existent including scavenging. Not impressed with Kia. Thank god we do not have to many -25 days here.
My e-niro is a 2019 model with heat pump and LED head light. When in high beam the low beam light is also on. It spreads the light perfect to se animals along the road.
I know it is cold in Norway. went to school near Jarpen in Sweden where it was -40°C for a week. I drive a 2019 Niro in Vermont at 0°c to -15°c and look at the heater output every now and then. I have seen numbers like 2.5 Kw, but normal is more like 1.5 Kw and after things get warm .7 Kw. I drive with gloves and heating driver only heating, but I set heating at 22 Ç. anyway another great video. liked the model 3 video. One thing I would like to see is comparison between rear wheel drive and front wheel drive on snow and also on ice You do the most educational videos in real world conditions. hope new skateboard kia will improve efficiency and still be less expensive
Björn the e-niro should have auto Hi beam switch to low beam with on coming traffic, no need to keep switching it off when a car comes, that is how my e-niro works and that feature really works well. Check it out.
The auto high-beam will switch down from the reflection from road signs when you get close to them. Pretty sensitive and work well. (overhead street lights too) the only time it didn't work was when the windshield was fogged up.
Got my Niro 2020 out after watching your video. Currently -7 here in Mirabel,Québec,Canada. Climate set to 21 in cabin. I have the SX premium trim that comes with a heat pump and averaged .80kW on climate. Are you sure the trim you tested had a heat pump?
The high consumption must be because of the extra drag coefficient compared to the model 3. After all, it looks like you're doing about 94km/h average - and when it is that cold, the air is dense like syrup. 🙂
@@AsadKhan-yz9be it’s a brilliant car, I’m glad we went for it. And in comparison, much better than the Kona as far as the interior is concerned. Plenty of range, comfortable, great car overall.
@@AsadKhan-yz9be not sure about the 80% range but when fully charged, it easily does 430+ kms with only city and around city driving (based on our driving habits) Motorway range is more like 360km-ish on average if you drive at the speed limit of 120km/h. (Today in OK weather did around 200 kms on motorway and average consumption was 17.3kw/100km). So 80% charge would give you a nice range overall
e-NIRO has High Beam Assist High Beam Assist (HBA) detects the lights from oncoming traffic and automatically turns off the high beam. HBA also turns off the high beam if you are behind a car in the same lane.
It's useless like in most other cars. It won't detect oncoming trucks over a hill so they flash the lights at me. That's why I never use auto high beams.
2019 Kona doesn't nag about low battery while connected to fastcharger. Surprised the e-Niro does that :o Also the battery heater turns on when in "winter mode" below -10°c below a certain charge
When I was a poor student, my car wouldn't start well when it got cold due to a poor battery. Solution: I took the battery inside every night when it was predicted to get cold. No matter how cold the car would always start strait away without fail.
Heat pumps have problems in extreme cold. Tesla includes a tiny resistance heating unit for such cases. Just a few degrees temperature difference is all the heat pump needs to operate efficiently.
I wonder if the E-Niro heat pump was reaching its limit and was using a backup heater to supplement the heating. I suspect most heat pumps really start to struggle below -10 as the COP ratios are probably awful that cold.
Looking forward to you getting your hands on a Model Y with HP/Octovalve. The coldest I have driven ours is -8c and it was nice and warm and very efficient.
Almost bought a Kia e-Niro, but now I'm looking at the ID.4. Slow charging seems to be the Achilles' Heel of the e-Niro, and the boot is a bit too small for us. Nevertheless, it is a very interesting proposition. The MY21 now also has the ability to tow (up to 300 Kg). The charging has also been improved (up to 80 kW instead of 77 kW before), so perhaps they've improved some algorithms.
When I test drove an ENero.. hard acceleration required Lewis Hamilton type arm movements to keep the car on the road. It also under steered worse than any car I have ever driven. It just wanted to go straight on. I assumed it had been damaged either by a test driver or not set up right? What is your opinion Bjorn?
i have a Kia E-niro MY19 and when I change from auto thats shows heating to my feet and manually set it to my feet, it use much less power, I think they have screwed something up in the software actually and not utilizing the heatpump efficiently in auto mode. I have not tested in less then -10 degrees.
I realized with AUTO mode blows warm air through the windshield even when showing it is blowing air to the feet in the screen, probably to avoid condensation. That may be the reason for higher consumption.
That is not advisable. Turtle mode exists in order to limit the amount of discharge current and voltage sag at low SOC to avoid over-discharging the battery pack. Over-discharging results in battery damage.
I wonder if the car woulb be more efficient without a heatpump on this very cold temperatures. My e-Niro does not have a heat pump because it is a Spanish version.
@Björn: Do you know why Edition7 of e-Niro (no UVO), its not possible to preheat the car manually? the settings screen there is the scheduled heating greyed out.
Tesla (at least the non-performance models) definitely have the edge in cold weather driving with their new heat pump system. I have to wonder if the condenser at the front of the car was starting to ice up in that cold weather since the hvac consumption kept going up and up as you continued to drive. It's not an excuse or a pass for Hyundai/Kia, their system did not perform as well. At least it didn't try to crap out and severely limit power because it over-cooled the battery. :-) The LG battery in the Hyundai/Kia (Chevy Bolt is similar) runs at lower overall temp than the Tesla/Panasonic packs. You can see this even in the newer Tesla/LG packs. 25c is where it gets maximum charging speed, so no need to heat it beyond that temperature. It's also more effective at discharge at lower temperature, especially compared to the Tesla/Panasonic pack. As you saw, it is still functional at temps below freezing. I have to hope that the next-generation EVs that GM, Hyundai/Kia an other manufacturers are coming out with will at least be comparable to Tesla in regards to the little details, like making efforts to reduce cold weather charge speed throttling and on-board route planning (or even through a Carplay/AA app like the myChevrolet app attempts to do), as well as some of the bigger points like charging speed and efficiency. The charging network is already rapidly improving, so that is not as much of a selling point for Tesla anymore, at least in my area, and many other manufacturers are already blowing Tesla out of the water for things like material and build quality, not to mention reliability and service.
This thread is the best place on the net to learn what winter mode does: www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/kona-ev-winter-mode-defined-and-condensed.7977/
Looking forward to more fast chargers making 100 kW standard in USA. The Niro does 100 kW speeds, right? Why is the charging speed so slow? Is it because of the cold weather?
Apparently the 12V doesn't get charged below 15% SOC so that might be the cause of the warning at 10:35. Personally I think this is bad behaviour because a dead 12V is a dead car. Can you (or anyone) confirm this is the case?
The heat scavenging must be working because the battery inlet was in the negative degrees. The Tesla battery is a bit bigger and more performance oriented, so the water channels for cooling and heating needs to be more effective at transfering heat to and from the battery.
Not really that much bigger. We're talking about 76 kWh vs 70 kWh. That's about 10 % only. I'm guessing that Tesla's octovalve and some magic makes it way more efficient.
@@bjornnyland As mentioned before, the Tesla is more performance oriented. If it is able to deliver twice as much power it needs twice as much cooling. More cooling channels means more scavenging heat or faster precharge heat.
Performance has nothing to do with this. Tesla must have done something great with the octovalve. Sandy Munro was praising it big time. And this is the result of Tesla's engineering.
@@bjornnyland There is nothing magical about a Tesla and the octo valve, it only directs water around in the car, just like any household heating system has done for 100 years. The better cooling allows the heat pump to work less, 2 liters of water heated 5 degrees is the same energy as 1 liter heated 10 degrees. The Tesla flows more water through the battery so the temperature difference between in and out, does not need to be as high as the Kia to harvest the same heat. The Kia has less battery cooling and also less resistance heating available in the EV motors, so the heatpump needs to work harder. Sandy Munro has personal interest in praising Tesla, he praised the cooling system in the Tesla and 2 minutes later he asked for Tesla´s help and finance for some of his projects.
I suspect the high climate budget is due to the car using the PTC heater in combination with AC/heatpump. Ioniq 28 has a button to turn off the PTC (heat button) and by only having AC on it will force the use of only the heatpump. The car will use less power but take a lot longer to heat up(but its sufficient to maintain heat down to -10) and the air coming out of the vents will feel slightly cold (when the PTC on its warmer than the surrounding air as the PTC heats the air the heatpump already heated). I would imagine KIA uses the same setup. Theres probably more to it than that, including heat scavaging, I think my Ioniq28 will pull up to 7kW for heat the first 5 min when it's similar very cold temps. (it should need about 4kW to maintain heat at -20 with +20c cabin temp: about 100W(heatloss, will differ by size of car and insulation ofc) per 1c difference cabin and outside temp, 40c*100W/c=4kW. The heat power can be provided by HP, PTC or scavanging)
@@bjornnyland I think it's optimized for comfort(and fast heat), using the app ioniqinfo(guessing Kia has a similar or same design as my Ioniq) it separates the power use of ptc and heatpump, it will use both at the same time. If it was using just ptc the consumption would be even higher, in auto it uses a lot of ptc at startup and then it goes down to almost nothing when the cabin is warm so I think auto is best for most but for hypermiling it should be better to let only the heatpump work but then again it probably can't cope with greater than -10c alone. :)
www.speakev.com/threads/tech-article-how-does-a-heat-pump-work.127412/ here is an article describing how it works (if you have some downtime while charging) on the e-golf, but the theory is pretty much universal with some cars having the battery on the (water) coolant loop too. Not sure how the octovalve works, but I assume it's an effectivisation of the loops allowing more precise regulation(like sucking the battery cold on demand). :)
If you turn off recirculation, you shouldn’t have any fogging problems with A/C turned off. In the 2021 M3, when climate is set to auto in the winter, it turns off A/C and recirculation, so I’d assume that’s the most efficient setup. I would think it probably is the most efficient for older model 3’s without the heat pump too.
Heat pumps have a compression ratio. If the outside temperature gets too cold for the particular design of the heat pump's compressor, the efficiency drops drastically to the point where there is no benefit in using heat pump vs. simple opd school electrical heater. Could it be the case with Hyundai in these wintery temperatures?
Bjorn, what about total "real" energy charged in to the car (from all chargings). Tesla use the battery heat to heat the cabin but after all the car also use energy to heat up the battery. Is this strategy better or worse in terms of energy efficiency? (I know that Tesla strategy is way better for charging speed and so one, but my question is about real energy efficiency from plug)
It's better because even if you don't scavenge the heat from the battery, it will cool down during driving. And the heat lost is greater when the delta is greater. So by sucking the heat out of the battery like Tesla does, it will make use of the heat inside the cabin rather than letting it escape out. And heating it up right before supercharging is the best deal.
@@bjornnyland I completely agree with you. But I love numbers (like you I assume) and it's good to know what car spends more energy from A to B with this freezing temperatures. Just for fun, because in the end with that large difference in charge speed and consumption the Tesla is for sure much faster (and this is very important of course)
Tesla is the top ev you can not deny that, your opinion maybe of that. But the fact and truth is Tesla is the main ev nothing even comes close to competing
I've had some issues with ABRP lately. I did a 180km trip yesterday with my BMW i3S 120Ah and ABRP estimated 11% at arrival, but I arrived with 28%... Luckily it was not the other way around!
Interesting, I had a similar problem today (BMW i3S 94Ah). It wanted me to go 100km/h top to get to the destination (101km) from 96%, but I arrived with 29% while doing 120-125 most of the time.
Watching videos like this really make me appreciate the BMW i3 Rex! Even though it coldgates I can just turn on the Rex and drive to the next charger and in 50/60 kms it’s warm enough for full 50 kw. The Rex allows me maintain 120-130 km/hr too in any weather, it’s fantastic. Rex gives so many options and amazing freedom from all this charging nonsense shame BMW stopped selling the Rex because of this I won’t get the 120 ah and the fact the didn’t increase the charging power either.
It wouldn't make much difference with the current equipment. You can get up to 76 kW on a warm battery in the summer for a portion of the charge cycle. Never will see that much in winter. Happy to get 52 kW. I charge at home so level 3 charging doesn't matter to me. I test it just to check that it charges ok. Wait for the new Kia/Hyundai models with 800 volt charging systems.
Hey. I wonder why you do not write how many Km / Miles you drive in the headline more? Had perhaps added more clicks and useful for serere (?) Otherwise awesome video work Bjorn🙌👌
Interesting I live in Vancouver Canada and have had my niro since September. I do a lot of mountain driving. For the month of December I averaged 20kwh/100 km. Even went as low as 18kwh/100 km. My guess is you don't gave 1 pedal driving set up properly with level 3 regen. It works even when coasting.... not sure. But it's interesting to see your results.
You're just above us on the Pacific coast, similar weather I'd imagine. We see fantastic efficiency results between 10C down to -4C in the e-Niro. But those temperatures are quite mild when compared to his test of -15C and below.
@@wzDH106 good point. Though I do get to -10 or colder on my road trips. I did figure a few more things. He is in Normal Mode. You can see on his dashboard it doesn't show ECO. So that would make a huge difference. Also looking at the roads his tires have to be better than mine. No way my tires could handle those roads.....
@@wzDH106 Interesting, sounds like you have a somewhat moderate climate. I was assuming Vancouver, BC would get temps similar to the middle of the US Midwest (i.e. Kansas/Iowa/Illinois). Depending on time of year, it varies from approx. -29C to 1C in Winter, while Summers can vary from approx. 38C to 32C in the day and 16C to 18C at night. Records have hit as high as about 48C and as low as about -44C. Interesting thing about that part of the Midwest is the high humidity in the summer (usually around 82%, but sometimes as high as 93%, due heavily to the large amount farming).
@@helstromh Practically see Vancouver from the North coast of Washington, fairly similar I'd imagine. Any elevation change and the temperatures will drop. I've had my fair share of winter experiences in Quebec, Manitoba, Ontario and Saskatchewan. I'd take southern BC any day of the week for winters.
Nice! Perfect timing. I just did not find anything interesting on youtube. And bam here is the Video i waited for xD
Same here XD
Good to see not only tesla content on your channel, I like the variety!
8:37 I really like that you mention other test results directly in a video so we don't have to look it up ourselves. Keep up the goood shieet ! :D
I travel frequently 400km in about -2 degrees in germany. I observed high consumption at start of 27kwh no matter if 90 or 140 kmh. But if I drive a while 150-170 kmh consumption goes down to 23 kwh /100km when driving 130kmh. I always speed up to 160kmh bevor charging on this route to have 75kw charging speed even in -5 degrees. I drive the e-Soul 64kwh battery about 5000km / month. Yes there is some cold gating and still I need only 2h for those 200km up in the Mountains one way and arrive with 20%. So cool car, love it! Long distance of 550km take me about 6h compared to 5.30 in summer.
How many minutes do you have to drive at 160 km/h to get the 73 kW charging speed?
Kia Björn for the win 😍
This kia cost 46,000 here in the u.s. with heated seats ,sun roof ,heated steering wheel 😵 .
Today I test drove a tesla model y in Boston . The Tesla employee I dealt with knew all your channel and enjoyed your test 👌.
The performance y I drove was the most capable car I have driven.
I worked as a Car mechanic as a young man ,mostly german cars ,some exotics ,even muscle cars up to the year 2000.
Driving a Tesla
being a recovering ice mechanic
Was a life changing experience ......
Not because it was the fastest ,safest , most sophisticated automobiles I have ever driven .....
All those attributes were astounding , but the lack of mechanical operations of a ice engine and all its internal parts and subsystems are not present in a vehicle I'm driving 🤔
Previously when driving ice cars
I was listening and appreciating it's seamless engine management and transmission functions and the sound of all that complexity that Ice industry I had studied learned and worked in wasn't in my mind or under the hood of a tesla !
It's great to experience such a monumental change in cars and energy systems , .
I don't have to worry about internal engine wear in winter, clean fuel ,filters, belts, block heaters ,head gasket , variable valve timing mechanisms ,and of course timing belts and spark plug ,.on at infinitem .
Auto pilot was unusual at first but is amazing , driving the future of transportation , .
I ordered a cyber truck a while back , I may have to get a model y In the interim .
Keep up the best ev testing videos on youtube coning 👍✌️
A few efficiencies built in the Niro include the use of seat warmers (more efficient than cabin heaters), "Driver Only" mode (heats only the driver side), and there are a few more efficiencies gained if you move to ECO mode (maybe better regeneration of brakes and smarter use of the heat pump, which I assume is included in your vehicle). In the US, the "Winter Package" is an add-on package which comes with three items (battery heater, heat pump, and heated steering wheel).
One thing I did find out is the few sellers in the west coast don’t have or advertise any winter package or heat pump which leads to allot of confusion when you try to purchase online. In my case I can’t find any near me in the jersey shore.
Thanks a million Bjørn for your help with EV reviews. Today I bought Kia e-niro exclusive👍
Have you been happy with your purchase?
This is excellent timing. About to get my Kia eniro within next few weeks so can't wait. Really want to try out the camping mode. I hope this video doesn't make me regret my choice. Thanks for the excellent content again.
Me too! Mine is on order and is due at the end of the month.
I keep having doubts but when I actually look at the alternatives I see the following issues.
1) The ID3 and model 3 are not really comparable due to size and more expensive even the Kona is a little smaller.
2) Although the ID4 and Skoda Enyaq base prices are similar by the time you start adding all the bells and whistles you get on the Kia they cost thousands more and are not available yet.
3) Many of the cheaper cars are either smaller, don't have the range or do not come with the premium features of the E-niro (Zoe, MG etc).
4) Kia warranty.
The only real drawback I see with the E-niro over some of the other cars is the charging speed but I don't intend to use the DC charging much if at all.
Just my opinion though.
Just received my e-Niro and really happy with it (coming from a Volkswagen Passat GTE). At the moment the heated steering wheel is gold. Range approximately 350 km just above 0 degrees Celsius with 100% and 100 km/h driving most of the time. Distance reported by the car needs a correction of 7% in my case.
@@JoopHbR Honestly. Can't wait for it to arrive and can't wait to see what it's like to sleep in as well. That's why I'm dying to see the next chapter of the video.
@@nervousfrog101 let me know how you get on with it.
@@ukmidnighter Sleeping in the e-Niro is amazing. I do it all the time when I have the chance. What you have to make sure is to fill up the space between the front seats and the rear seats with bags or something to have some support. Also use an inflatable air matress for car use. I think its the best option.
Edit: I see similar results from initial tests here in Göteborg. Was around -3 C but for some reason the car was spending close to 1.7 kW on climate.
Thank you, Björn. I took delivery of my e-Niro Advance+ and Tech just a few days ago. Great timing of this video 👍
Björn, your channel is the best. It's da sheeeeeet
I love these winter videos because your weather is almost exactly the same as Montana here in the states. I really appreciate all of your videos!
I know if I ever get to travel Norway one day, I'll be able to pronounce Alvdal like a native ... Thanks.
There's like 5 + ways to pronounce Alvdal.... natively. XD
@@utavtakt9361 of so, I can do nearly nothing wrong pronouncing Alvdal natively.👍
@@utavtakt9361 I'll know the "Norwegian who's watched too much Hollywood movies" way to pronounce it, then ;-)
not even most natives master it
Took me 2 years, now I am a native... Alex.
Loved the night-time roadtrip feeling! Looking forward to getting my e-niro which is on order. Thanks for a fun video Björn!
the low battery warning on your first stop was for the 12v battery. It is not charged by the main battery when its status is below 15%. You should put it into utility mode perhaps or shut the car down.
I would suggest that the condenser is losing airflow due to continuous cold operation.
This would explain why it is struggling.
Normally air type heat pumps would have a back up element (PTC in automotive) to assist or replace the heat pump at lower temps due to frosting exceeding the reverse cycle defrost & the COP value going negative.
Doubt it, air at minus 25 has only a small amount of moisture that could freeze on contact with the cold condenser. If it is even a air cooled condenser at all, the Model 3 has a liquid cool condenser while the coolant takes the heat from the drive unit, battery and radiator.
very good result especially for SUV
"We are Schnellladen!" I love your "Denglish" (German-English). :-D
Even in my old gas truck, I used to turn the temperature in the cab right down to about 10 C and then turn on the heated seat. I was dressed in my normal jacket and winter shoes when driving and it improved my attention and I was very comfy. By the way, that is a huge cabin to heat. I am not surprised by the energy usage.
Wish the Polestar 2 had a similiar "Energy Consumption" tab in the center display.
I think the heater is the big energy spender in the PS2 aswell, big difference turning the climate off during my tests. :)
If you start with a full bottle of Coke you can supercool it to below freezing and it will stay liquid because pressure. Then you open the bottle and the whole thing turns to slush.
Robert Kirchner even with plastic bottle?
Love the colored power distribution info screen. Wish Tesla would have that!
5:25 that train can easily do 160km/h on that specific track if it wanted to, more efficient than your car (comparing weight, passengers aso)
Though trains have strict time tables to follow, missing them implies consequences for everyone else. Time tables are made by commity once per year.
Train drivers are incentivised to use as little w/km as possible.
Can regen by wire
It's a Stadler FLIRT and the norwegian ones can go 200km/h max. But this should be the older non-highspeed line, where the speed is restricted in this section.
The speed limit on that spesific track is actually 130 km/h... However that train (Stadler Flirt, Bm 75) has a top speed of 200 km/h.
You are a beast! The best!
I've said it a million times, the e-Niro is pound for pound the best EV you can buy. Provided you can actually buy one.
Agreed! Kia always seemed like the best EV, while Tesla is of course the best next level far above and beyond!!
I've heard it so often, I'm dreaming from Avldal now...^^
This car has probably the same tech as the future Ioniq 5. Can’t wait to see the production model now
The real problem with Kia eNiro is the price: in Romania it cost 52.000 Euros and Hyndai eKona is around 35.000 Euros - we have 11.000Euro BEV incentives but only if the manufacturer and the buyer pays taxes in Romania, that means that eNiro is 41.000Euro and eKona is 24.000 Euros = shame on Kia. Big like for your work Bjorn.
Here in Malta, the smaller battery version is €39,000 although you can get about €7,000 back from the government
In Bulgaria the prices are the same, but the government gives you 0 :)
It's expensive in Sweden too, starting at 485k SEK. After incentives, that's 425k SEK, roughly 42k€. Lightly used ones, less than a year old, cost around 36k€ which is pretty expensive, too.
You need compare specs carefully between Kona and Niro, do both have heat pump , same battery etc
@@patreekotime4578 it depends on the importers: how much market share they want to have in different car segments. Kia is very bad managed in Romania. I was a Kia dealer for many years but gave up, FCA and Toyota are not great but better. Ford, Hyndai, VAG and Renault are the best managed car brands in Romania.
The koreans have some real coldgate issues. It would be great if there was a way to turn on the battery heater before the charger is reached. The climate consumption is really high. I wonder if the heat pump has trouble running at very low temp.
That's true. Heat pump are not efficient on hard cold weather.
I also find it strange how quickly the battery cools down. Maybe this can be modded by blocking some of the air intake.
@@zbyszanna according to some presentation Kia gave last year, their heat pump should scavenge heat from the battery pack:
"The heat pump system has now been developed further for new EVs from Hyundai and Kia. The new system scavenges significantly more energy by recycling additional waste heat not only from power electrics (PE) modules (such as drive motors, on-board chargers, and inverters), but also from the battery pack and slow charger."
Source: www.greencarcongress.com/2020/06/20200610-hyundaikia.html
On my own (lease) E-Niro model year 2019 the battery needs to be around 25 degrees before you can charge at the maximum speed. In winter weather you won't get that temperature with just driving around 100KM/h. During charging the battery heats up a bit and you will get there. It would be nice for sure if you could heat it up before the charging session.
It would be great if all EVs could be heated on route to a fast charger. Even Tesla, if I understand correctly, does this only for Superchargers, why not any fast charger? Faster winter charging (a major concern for me and probably lots of others) is a simple software fix away, not sure why the manufacturers won't clue in to this.
Björn just to let you know that the dashed out GOM in your video is only due to the fact you had a destination set that was active in your nav. If you cancel the route before you get to your destination, the GOM will come back and display almost down to 0 KM without dashes. Something I learned with my e-niro. Interesting test of the heat pump, it seems below -16, it's almost non existent including scavenging. Not impressed with Kia. Thank god we do not have to many -25 days here.
Bjorn, is this MY21 with that improved heat pump?
Yes the winter mode is on. Nice one :) about lights new model have led and Im not sure that you got the version with heat pump ;)
I think all E-Niros in scandinavia comes with a heatpump. Correct me If i'm wrong.
My e-niro is a 2019 model with heat pump and LED head light. When in high beam the low beam light is also on. It spreads the light perfect to se animals along the road.
@@asaha7547 i didn't know this :)
@@skyfox77 not in Denmark (for the 2019 models at least) might have changed now.
Also Use Kia UVO app to pre-heat the cabin while you’re charging it without power on.
Of course. I know about it.
I know it is cold in Norway. went to school near Jarpen in Sweden where it was -40°C for a week.
I drive a 2019 Niro in Vermont at 0°c to -15°c and look at the heater output every now and then. I have seen numbers like 2.5 Kw, but normal is more like 1.5 Kw and after things get warm .7 Kw. I drive with gloves and heating driver only heating, but I set heating at 22 Ç. anyway another great video. liked the model 3 video.
One thing I would like to see is comparison between rear wheel drive and front wheel drive on snow and also on ice You do the most educational videos in real world conditions. hope new skateboard kia will improve efficiency and still be less expensive
Björn the e-niro should have auto Hi beam switch to low beam with on coming traffic, no need to keep switching it off when a car comes, that is how my e-niro works and that feature really works well. Check it out.
I agree with you. Mine is also very efficient in auto high/low beam.
I don't like it on any car I test because it tends to misinterpet oncoming trucks. And then they flash at me. Not cool.
The auto high-beam will switch down from the reflection from road signs when you get close to them. Pretty sensitive and work well. (overhead street lights too) the only time it didn't work was when the windshield was fogged up.
Got my Niro 2020 out after watching your video. Currently -7 here in Mirabel,Québec,Canada. Climate set to 21 in cabin. I have the SX premium trim that comes with a heat pump and averaged .80kW on climate. Are you sure the trim you tested had a heat pump?
All e-Niros in Norway comes with heat pump as standard.
The high consumption must be because of the extra drag coefficient compared to the model 3. After all, it looks like you're doing about 94km/h average - and when it is that cold, the air is dense like syrup. 🙂
After very.... VERY long debating, we decided to go for the eNiro..... I hope we won`t regret it :)
How was decision came out?
How is niro doing?
@@AsadKhan-yz9be it’s a brilliant car, I’m glad we went for it. And in comparison, much better than the Kona as far as the interior is concerned. Plenty of range, comfortable, great car overall.
@@doncsicso81 thats good to hear mate,how many miles it gives in 80% charge in real world? As i am also thinking to buy it this year
@@AsadKhan-yz9be not sure about the 80% range but when fully charged, it easily does 430+ kms with only city and around city driving (based on our driving habits) Motorway range is more like 360km-ish on average if you drive at the speed limit of 120km/h. (Today in OK weather did around 200 kms on motorway and average consumption was 17.3kw/100km). So 80% charge would give you a nice range overall
e-NIRO has High Beam Assist
High Beam Assist (HBA) detects the lights from oncoming traffic and automatically turns off the high beam. HBA also turns off the high beam if you are behind a car in the same lane.
It's useless like in most other cars. It won't detect oncoming trucks over a hill so they flash the lights at me. That's why I never use auto high beams.
2019 Kona doesn't nag about low battery while connected to fastcharger. Surprised the e-Niro does that :o
Also the battery heater turns on when in "winter mode" below -10°c below a certain charge
That Tesla heat pump is sheer genius!
@UCN-FADasyo5FBLoDoXs08tw thank you for the clarification
Tesla heat pump uses same physics as all heat pumps. Using the battery as a heat reservoir is smart programming.
Thanks for the excellent content !! Best electric car channel !! What car to choose between MG zs ev and Xpeng G3 ? Cheers
When I was a poor student, my car wouldn't start well when it got cold due to a poor battery. Solution: I took the battery inside every night when it was predicted to get cold. No matter how cold the car would always start strait away without fail.
I understand it's cold but should climate take over 4kW and over 20% as in 26:55 would think it woild be lower with the heat pump?
Heat pumps have problems in extreme cold. Tesla includes a tiny resistance heating unit for such cases. Just a few degrees temperature difference is all the heat pump needs to operate efficiently.
I wonder if the E-Niro heat pump was reaching its limit and was using a backup heater to supplement the heating. I suspect most heat pumps really start to struggle below -10 as the COP ratios are probably awful that cold.
The inner coupe is a bit bigger on the E-Niro vs the Model 3?
-23 wow bro is very impressive
Sorry if this has been asked before but what do I need to buy to read out data from the app Car scanner? I have Kona EV.
My entire house at - 23C takes ~5kw for heating, so it's reallllly strange to see :D
I was going to ask if winter mode was on... watched till the end and got my answer. 😁
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Looking forward to you getting your hands on a Model Y with HP/Octovalve. The coldest I have driven ours is -8c and it was nice and warm and very efficient.
Thanks for the info about the App
Almost bought a Kia e-Niro, but now I'm looking at the ID.4. Slow charging seems to be the Achilles' Heel of the e-Niro, and the boot is a bit too small for us. Nevertheless, it is a very interesting proposition. The MY21 now also has the ability to tow (up to 300 Kg). The charging has also been improved (up to 80 kW instead of 77 kW before), so perhaps they've improved some algorithms.
When I test drove an ENero.. hard acceleration required Lewis Hamilton type arm movements to keep the car on the road. It also under steered worse than any car I have ever driven. It just wanted to go straight on. I assumed it had been damaged either by a test driver or not set up right?
What is your opinion Bjorn?
11:45 does it sound familiar.
Is this the version with the heat pump? I’m guessing yes since it has the battery heater.
Yes
Hey B. Have you got the new Kia e-niro oppgrade for the 2020 model? Thanks
i have a Kia E-niro MY19 and when I change from auto thats shows heating to my feet and manually set it to my feet, it use much less power, I think they have screwed something up in the software actually and not utilizing the heatpump efficiently in auto mode. I have not tested in less then -10 degrees.
Good to know. Thank you
@@patreekotime4578 Maybe, I havent tested this too much, so there might be some drawbacks using my method.
I realized with AUTO mode blows warm air through the windshield even when showing it is blowing air to the feet in the screen, probably to avoid condensation. That may be the reason for higher consumption.
How do you activate the lane assist? Idont see it on the steering wheel? Does all niros hsve it?
4:30 The Kia display colours look like loot of various rarity in an RPG
The colours are way different when you film that monitor. For example state of charge and range are turquoise so completely different
@@Marbellous ah ok I’ve never seen one in person. I quite like the interface, it has lots of good info and I like the design too.
In IONIQ you can override turtle mode with cruise control. Maybe it is the same with kia
That is not advisable. Turtle mode exists in order to limit the amount of discharge current and voltage sag at low SOC to avoid over-discharging the battery pack. Over-discharging results in battery damage.
How can u disable turtle mode etc,?? Teach plz
I spray my charge ports on my Leaf and Bolt with Krown spray and I've never had an issue with opening the charge ports
Do you mean one of these? shop.krown.com/collections/krown-aerosol-products
Hvilken obd plugg bruker du sammens med denne appen?
The screen/infotainment feels like 2011, but with touch...
I wonder if the car woulb be more efficient without a heatpump on this very cold temperatures. My e-Niro does not have a heat pump because it is a Spanish version.
270Wh/km "The consumption is kinda high...". Cries in E-tron
@Björn: Do you know why Edition7 of e-Niro (no UVO), its not possible to preheat the car manually? the settings screen there is the scheduled heating greyed out.
Tesla (at least the non-performance models) definitely have the edge in cold weather driving with their new heat pump system. I have to wonder if the condenser at the front of the car was starting to ice up in that cold weather since the hvac consumption kept going up and up as you continued to drive. It's not an excuse or a pass for Hyundai/Kia, their system did not perform as well. At least it didn't try to crap out and severely limit power because it over-cooled the battery. :-)
The LG battery in the Hyundai/Kia (Chevy Bolt is similar) runs at lower overall temp than the Tesla/Panasonic packs. You can see this even in the newer Tesla/LG packs. 25c is where it gets maximum charging speed, so no need to heat it beyond that temperature. It's also more effective at discharge at lower temperature, especially compared to the Tesla/Panasonic pack. As you saw, it is still functional at temps below freezing.
I have to hope that the next-generation EVs that GM, Hyundai/Kia an other manufacturers are coming out with will at least be comparable to Tesla in regards to the little details, like making efforts to reduce cold weather charge speed throttling and on-board route planning (or even through a Carplay/AA app like the myChevrolet app attempts to do), as well as some of the bigger points like charging speed and efficiency. The charging network is already rapidly improving, so that is not as much of a selling point for Tesla anymore, at least in my area, and many other manufacturers are already blowing Tesla out of the water for things like material and build quality, not to mention reliability and service.
I believe Kia gets it's batteries from SK Innovation rather than LG Chem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Niro#Kia_Niro_EV_(electric_version)
Oh, this Car Scanner looks great! Anybody knows if it works with the e-Golf (2019 model)? I would love to see all those SHtats :-D
As far as I know, you need OBDEleven for VAG.
Yes, Car Scanner works with e-Golf and e-UP. You can even program functions (VW coding and long coding) just like OBD11. But way cheaper :)
Great! Thank you! I’ll try it out with my e-Golf, maybe I’ll finally be able to see more detailed SHtats 😄👍
What does winter mode do again? Not sure i have in enabled on my e-Niro actually...
This thread is the best place on the net to learn what winter mode does: www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/kona-ev-winter-mode-defined-and-condensed.7977/
Looking forward to more fast chargers making 100 kW standard in USA. The Niro does 100 kW speeds, right? Why is the charging speed so slow? Is it because of the cold weather?
20:44 Please use Desktop Version of Google Maps for decimal places.
That only applies for distances below 100 km. Didn't you know it?
Can't wait for the Nio ET7.... 🤪
how many cars does Bjørn got?
Regarding ABRP, it wasn´t way off. At Koppang you made a little mistake. ABRP screen shows 100% and 73%. You said 37% but t is only 27%
Shieeeeet, noob mistake by me.
Apparently the 12V doesn't get charged below 15% SOC so that might be the cause of the warning at 10:35.
Personally I think this is bad behaviour because a dead 12V is a dead car.
Can you (or anyone) confirm this is the case?
If that's true, that's a really really bad design decision
According to the diagnostic tool car scanner the voltage is still 14.6V when he has 6% SOC.
Incorrect assumption. Look at 8:50. 12 V battery was at 14.6 V at 6 % SoC on main battery.
The heat scavenging must be working because the battery inlet was in the negative degrees.
The Tesla battery is a bit bigger and more performance oriented, so the water channels for cooling and heating needs to be more effective at transfering heat to and from the battery.
Not really that much bigger. We're talking about 76 kWh vs 70 kWh. That's about 10 % only. I'm guessing that Tesla's octovalve and some magic makes it way more efficient.
@@bjornnyland As mentioned before, the Tesla is more performance oriented. If it is able to deliver twice as much power it needs twice as much cooling. More cooling channels means more scavenging heat or faster precharge heat.
Performance has nothing to do with this. Tesla must have done something great with the octovalve. Sandy Munro was praising it big time. And this is the result of Tesla's engineering.
@@bjornnyland There is nothing magical about a Tesla and the octo valve, it only directs water around in the car, just like any household heating system has done for 100 years.
The better cooling allows the heat pump to work less, 2 liters of water heated 5 degrees is the same energy as 1 liter heated 10 degrees.
The Tesla flows more water through the battery so the temperature difference between in and out, does not need to be as high as the Kia to harvest the same heat.
The Kia has less battery cooling and also less resistance heating available in the EV motors, so the heatpump needs to work harder.
Sandy Munro has personal interest in praising Tesla, he praised the cooling system in the Tesla and 2 minutes later he asked for Tesla´s help and finance for some of his projects.
Would be interesting to see what results EQC or etron would get on this test
Got a E-niro 2019, capped at 25 kW at Ionity. Was only 0 degrees outside. Been driving for 1 hour before charging.
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@@bjornnyland Oh! I messed up xD 25 kW of course. Ty for pointing that out!
is this version having the heatpump?
Yes, it's standard in Norway.
When are you going to test the MG5 Bjorn? Really interested in what you make of it. Love your Vids. Keep up the good work.
I suspect the high climate budget is due to the car using the PTC heater in combination with AC/heatpump. Ioniq 28 has a button to turn off the PTC (heat button) and by only having AC on it will force the use of only the heatpump. The car will use less power but take a lot longer to heat up(but its sufficient to maintain heat down to -10) and the air coming out of the vents will feel slightly cold (when the PTC on its warmer than the surrounding air as the PTC heats the air the heatpump already heated). I would imagine KIA uses the same setup. Theres probably more to it than that, including heat scavaging, I think my Ioniq28 will pull up to 7kW for heat the first 5 min when it's similar very cold temps. (it should need about 4kW to maintain heat at -20 with +20c cabin temp: about 100W(heatloss, will differ by size of car and insulation ofc) per 1c difference cabin and outside temp, 40c*100W/c=4kW. The heat power can be provided by HP, PTC or scavanging)
That's sounds like bad design. Wouldn't you think that Kia has already optimized it in auto mode?
@@bjornnyland I think it's optimized for comfort(and fast heat), using the app ioniqinfo(guessing Kia has a similar or same design as my Ioniq) it separates the power use of ptc and heatpump, it will use both at the same time. If it was using just ptc the consumption would be even higher, in auto it uses a lot of ptc at startup and then it goes down to almost nothing when the cabin is warm so I think auto is best for most but for hypermiling it should be better to let only the heatpump work but then again it probably can't cope with greater than -10c alone. :)
www.speakev.com/threads/tech-article-how-does-a-heat-pump-work.127412/ here is an article describing how it works (if you have some downtime while charging) on the e-golf, but the theory is pretty much universal with some cars having the battery on the (water) coolant loop too. Not sure how the octovalve works, but I assume it's an effectivisation of the loops allowing more precise regulation(like sucking the battery cold on demand). :)
What’s with the form & heat shield in the windows?
I have got model 3 performance 2019 and e niro and I had 400w per mile in tesla in -4c and 300w per mile in eniro . So for me eniro more efficient.
I hope you test the Mercedes EQV
what is that app? I can only see garage fault code readers
Can you recommend any other apps for this car?
Hei du snakker colgate in your videos what it means?
Bjorn, should i use AC in cold weather with model 3 (no heatpump) or heat without AC, just consumption wise? Thanks!
If you turn off recirculation, you shouldn’t have any fogging problems with A/C turned off. In the 2021 M3, when climate is set to auto in the winter, it turns off A/C and recirculation, so I’d assume that’s the most efficient setup. I would think it probably is the most efficient for older model 3’s without the heat pump too.
Back button at 12.11 is top left, the circle with the arrow up?
12:11 No, that's home button.
Heat pumps have a compression ratio. If the outside temperature gets too cold for the particular design of the heat pump's compressor, the efficiency drops drastically to the point where there is no benefit in using heat pump vs. simple opd school electrical heater. Could it be the case with Hyundai in these wintery temperatures?
You have to get to -10F to -20F before that's the case.
Bjorn, what about total "real" energy charged in to the car (from all chargings).
Tesla use the battery heat to heat the cabin but after all the car also use energy to heat up the battery.
Is this strategy better or worse in terms of energy efficiency?
(I know that Tesla strategy is way better for charging speed and so one, but my question is about real energy efficiency from plug)
It's better because even if you don't scavenge the heat from the battery, it will cool down during driving. And the heat lost is greater when the delta is greater. So by sucking the heat out of the battery like Tesla does, it will make use of the heat inside the cabin rather than letting it escape out. And heating it up right before supercharging is the best deal.
@@bjornnyland I completely agree with you. But I love numbers (like you I assume) and it's good to know what car spends more energy from A to B with this freezing temperatures. Just for fun, because in the end with that large difference in charge speed and consumption the Tesla is for sure much faster (and this is very important of course)
Tesla is the top ev you can not deny that, your opinion maybe of that. But the fact and truth is Tesla is the main ev nothing even comes close to competing
I've had some issues with ABRP lately. I did a 180km trip yesterday with my BMW i3S 120Ah and ABRP estimated 11% at arrival, but I arrived with 28%... Luckily it was not the other way around!
Interesting, I had a similar problem today (BMW i3S 94Ah). It wanted me to go 100km/h top to get to the destination (101km) from 96%, but I arrived with 29% while doing 120-125 most of the time.
Maybe the difference is between the KIA 2019 and 2020 model? I thing the 2019 model is more efficient.
Watching videos like this really make me appreciate the BMW i3 Rex! Even though it coldgates I can just turn on the Rex and drive to the next charger and in 50/60 kms it’s warm enough for full 50 kw.
The Rex allows me maintain 120-130 km/hr too in any weather, it’s fantastic.
Rex gives so many options and amazing freedom from all this charging nonsense shame BMW stopped selling the Rex because of this I won’t get the 120 ah and the fact the didn’t increase the charging power either.
Witch version is this? No chrome strip around windows? Chrome deleted car? Led lights or halogen bulbs? Good trip video as allways!👍
Thanks for your video @teslabjorn do you know if Kia intend to let e-niro charge at 100kw through an ota update ? If it's technically possible ?
It wouldn't make much difference with the current equipment. You can get up to 76 kW on a warm battery in the summer for a portion of the charge cycle. Never will see that much in winter. Happy to get 52 kW. I charge at home so level 3 charging doesn't matter to me. I test it just to check that it charges ok. Wait for the new Kia/Hyundai models with 800 volt charging systems.
Hey. I wonder why you do not write how many Km / Miles you drive in the headline more? Had perhaps added more clicks and useful for serere (?) Otherwise awesome video work Bjorn🙌👌
Not useful. It was useful back in 2013 but not in 2021.
Interesting I live in Vancouver Canada and have had my niro since September. I do a lot of mountain driving. For the month of December I averaged 20kwh/100 km. Even went as low as 18kwh/100 km. My guess is you don't gave 1 pedal driving set up properly with level 3 regen. It works even when coasting.... not sure. But it's interesting to see your results.
You're just above us on the Pacific coast, similar weather I'd imagine. We see fantastic efficiency results between 10C down to -4C in the e-Niro. But those temperatures are quite mild when compared to his test of -15C and below.
@@wzDH106 good point. Though I do get to -10 or colder on my road trips. I did figure a few more things. He is in Normal Mode. You can see on his dashboard it doesn't show ECO. So that would make a huge difference. Also looking at the roads his tires have to be better than mine. No way my tires could handle those roads.....
@@wzDH106 Interesting, sounds like you have a somewhat moderate climate. I was assuming Vancouver, BC would get temps similar to the middle of the US Midwest (i.e. Kansas/Iowa/Illinois). Depending on time of year, it varies from approx. -29C to 1C in Winter, while Summers can vary from approx. 38C to 32C in the day and 16C to 18C at night. Records have hit as high as about 48C and as low as about -44C. Interesting thing about that part of the Midwest is the high humidity in the summer (usually around 82%, but sometimes as high as 93%, due heavily to the large amount farming).
@@helstromh
Practically see Vancouver from the North coast of Washington, fairly similar I'd imagine. Any elevation change and the temperatures will drop.
I've had my fair share of winter experiences in Quebec, Manitoba, Ontario and Saskatchewan. I'd take southern BC any day of the week for winters.