Jordan Peterson ~ Do You Really Have Free Will?
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- Jordan Peterson ~ Do You Really Have Free Will?
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With "free will" comes responsibility.
With voluntary action comes accountability.
@@whynottalklikeapirat So when I'm acting under the illusion of free will, and actually believe that I'm doing X because I want to, then I'm accountable, even though everything I do, think and feel is determined by all the various processes in my brain? So even though it would've been impossible for me to act otherwise, there are moral grounds for punishing me because I felt like I wanted to do X?
@@whynottalklikeapirat Also, how does accountability differ from responsibility?
@@manafro2714 I am not sure all of your comment is available to me this happens sometimes the first one ends with "..." so if I missed out let me know.
Anyhow this all comes down to what your operative understanding of free will is. It's not just one single dichotomous discussion. How do you understand free will in your question?
As for accountability and responsibility - to me they suggest different fundamental assumptions about the world, which may in turnr imply different types of foundational arguments for subsequent valuation.
"Responsibility" to me implies more of an "ought" of some kind, which when derived from positive claims about the nature of reality, comes with some burden of proof. (There is a difference between you and I agreeing about who is "responsible" for buying the coffee, and responsibility being considered intrinsic, and universal such as "thou shalt not kill".).
"Accountability" to me is simpler and more practical it simply means accounting for what "is" and deciding what to do about it and for what reason. Such reasons may be wholly socially constructed and less reliant on claims about the ultimate nature of reality as such. But I stress the element of "reasoning" in this case because valuation comes with some sort of rationale, it's just that it can be wholly humanistic.
Nothing generally definitional here, just how I think I thought about it at the time.
@@manafro2714 Actually, when I think about it I don't think that free will/voluntary action INHERENTLY implies some intrinsic responsibility or accountability. Both of the latter, I personally consider purely human constructs .
I read this as: “Do you really have free WiFi?”
I pondered that thought for a moment until I reread the title.
Free wifi, lol. 😂 What a question to ponder.
du you have free wifi?
l did exactly that with this comment though
thanks for the good laugh lol
that depends on what you mean by 'wi fi'
Christopher HItchens when asked if he has free will...“Yes, I have free will. I have no choice but to have it.”
Jonny Psilocybe we always have limited choices...
@@zabelicious free action is not the same as free will. having limited choices has no bearing on what your will is. And yet i would argue that hitchens comment is also wrong. Free will is real, but is not automatic. You must attain it through effort. The vast majority of humanity is not free willed, but all have the option to strive for that state of consciousness, and if done correctly, freedom of the will can be attained. Read Rudolf Steiner.
ancientwisdom2012 Nonthank you, I know Steiner and some of his ideas are fine admittedly but I don’t think you understand that not everyone is starting from the same place. When their is trauma in childhood, things narrow in a big way because the brain is high jacked by other functions, survival ones. Very complicated but sure we are free to think what we want, just not do what we want. Lots of crazies out there, basing their decision on false beliefs.
@@zabelicious Well we have the ability to think what we want and do what we want, only because our wants are something we have no control over. And if you change your want, that's only another result of something you also can't control.
I Love Cats You talk as if everyone was a rational human being.. surely you have noticed that emotions and early experiences can get in the way of sanity.
Your DNA determines your character. Your character influences the tipe of decisions you make in life. It is a kind of predetermind free will.
And about epigenetic?
That's just determinism with extra steps.
You are free to chase what you want, but you do not choose what to want.
If only.
So, what can we conclude knowing this about the existence of free will?
As far as I can understand, it props up both of the sides of the argument
@@vladislavstezhko1864 Exactly, people on one side of the argument are focused on the fact that you are free to do what you want. The other, that forces beyond our control shape our wants. They're both incomplete views of the reality, which is that both are true at different levels.
Weird to the core. That is certainly the humanity that I know. It's also what makes us so wonderful.
great video! :)
The question of free will is not an all-or-nothing situation, as it is often framed conceptually. Free will is attainable in the deepest and most profound sense, but is anything but automatic. Most people are not free will beings, but that is not the same as saying that free will cannot be attained in every sense. It certainly can be. read "The Philosophy of Freedom", by Rudolf Steiner.
“free will can be attained in the deepest and most profound sense” directly answers Yes or No to the question: do we have freewill or not(which you answered yes). It is still not clear why Yes.
You stated statement A (unclear of wether it’s true or not) and then went on talking about B which is logical to A.
B being logical to A doesn’t make A and B true
He is brilliant
1:00+ "the best thing you can do is follow the right" YES it is also extremely difficult and impossible for many supposedly capable people to map out as a perspective mostly because we have an epidemic of untreated mental illnesses in individuals (men women lgbt) that make them abusive & commit crimes (inevitably) which makes the problem even scarier & worse You have not opinion you like others are surrounded by lethal people at any given moment & in most cases you cannot tell them what to do and eventually they tell you what to do even if it is totally meaningless or never supposed to be seen or read by other human eyes Like I said you have to be really intelligent & work really hard & understand a lot to set an example where you have followed the right ethical decisions.. that is science of art & law too the shared following of the right
I am good with weird/different.
With free will comes haters? Why?
Wait..
So, if the channel host used the click bait title knowing (full well) we wouldn't be able to resist...
Did we still have a choice?
Very interesting. I think we did. I certainly felt like I did.
Dolf Dervish they didn’t know.
Hell. That's very simple yet profound argument. It is a great hit
Free will at its essence has to do with are you going to use your works for egoistic purposes or for the Good of all
I’ve been thinking about this a lot and Yes it is possible to have free will but you must not be a coward
You've been thinking a lot about this and came up with this bullshit not making any sense ?
@@bambomango9427 LMAO
But do we have any will over not being a coward?
Guys look, I'm exercising my free will to compose this comment right now. Did I have to? No. Was I forced to agaisnt my free will? No. There you have it ig..🤟🏼 (Don't mean or nasty if you disagree, that will get us no where. If you DO disagree, BE RESPECTFUL when responding to this comment if you choose to do so...)
Meant to say, "don't BE* mean" Lol.
Hello, biological determinisits would argue that your genetic make-up would determine if you would be likely to respond verbally or rather not share your opinion and keep it to yourself.
This video had nothing to do with free will directly. This lecture is at best tangential to the issue of free will and at worst wholly separated
Everything is ordered for the best it' s because of the chaotic process by virtue of position or relation, whatever comes at a particular time God always make way......God bless Professor Jordan Peterson and more power
Free Willy? Yeah sure... whatteva!
I wish that one day, Jordan Peterson will answer the question without being too complicated to understand.
what if there is a tree falls in the forest and there is nothing there to observere it?
Does that mean that what we experience is real, and everything else isn't real?
Or perhaps does that mean in order to that to happen, everything has to be out there?
@@feltuzok i always found that question ridiculous, even as a kid. If a tree falls in a forest and there is no observer of course it still makes sound. The trees are organic life matters too, they are just as alive as you are, it's ego centric to assume what you observe as a human to be the only reality that matters.
He did in a new video and the answer is « I believe strongly in free will »
this is a HARD question from a Christian perspective. there are verses that support BOTH sides of this argument. but at the end of the day... those that ARE NOT IN POWER(government,heads of church,military/police ect..) are to simply pray for those people AND the people around us.... we are just sheep of the flock and we will be judged accordingly
.[Ecc 12:13 KJV] 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
Yes, fearing God is the duty of man, but one can still decide to not do it. Cleaning my room is my duty and it's what I'm expected to do and it's what I'm intended to do, but I can always choose to not do it, even though it would be way better if I did. The fact that God made us to fear and follow Him doesn't mean we're destined to do it, we can still choose, and you can see it everywhere because not everyone chooses to follow Him. Fearing Him is part of our testing, and we cannot be tested if we're just puppets, we must think for ourselves and make decisions for ourselves in order for testing to be possible.
If you have free will then you should be able to do what you don’t want to do. Can you really do this though?
Free Will isn't free.
Chris Lagos for the price of your will you get it for free
Free will doesn't just not exist. Its impossible to have free will.
That's true
Can you you explain how consciousness occurs? I guess not. It's impossible from what we know but it's still there. How can you answer a question without knowing the first thing about it's central element? That's pathetic.
@@MrJamesC So I loathe the Sam Harris Daniel Bennette athiest four horsemen ideology to the core (I'm not religious). There's still so much about the universe we don't understand, and I definitely don't think consciousness is an illusion like their reductionist philosophy assumes.
THAT SAID. It literally is impossible to have free will. Think about it this way. OK, so you have a consciousness, a soul, whatever.
How does the soul decide on an action? Is it based on prior knowledge/experiences? I.e is there a pattern to how it decides things? Yes? OK, so that means it doesn't have "free will", because it's decisions are deterministic; i.e it's decisions have patterns based on prior knowledge/experience and therefore you can replicate it and if things happened the exact same way again, you'd get the exact same result.
OK, so you say well, it isn't deterministic. Your "soul" doesn't always make the same choices, even if given exactly identical conditions. OK. But then, how does it make its choice? Well, again, either there's a pattern to it, or there isn't. If there is a pattern to it, we go back to the previous conclusion that it is deterministic and therefore not free will.
If there isn't a pattern to it, then that essentially means that its decisions are completely arbitrary and random, by definition. So in that case, your soul, or consciousness doesn't have free will either. It just makes completely random choices like the roll of a dice or the flip of a coin. It doesn't have control.
So either way, that's not free will.
We absolutely have free will.
@@YSFmemories the idea that just because an agent doesn't exist in maximal autonomy (ie deciding your own past, your owm nature, etc) that it has no free will is an illogical jump.
It assumes lack of any agency, which you have no reason to rule out, and furthermore have reason to actually assume exists.
All that having a lack of maximal autonomy does is mean you dont exist under infinite possibilities, but that is not the same as only existing within 1 possibility.
Just because you dont get to "choose your choices" doesnt mean there is lack of choice all together.
It's like playing chess. Theres constraints to the game. You cant move any piece however you want. Your contrained by the rules of the game, just like we are contrained by the conditions that come before us.
But there are choices within those constraints. There isnt 1 set of moves you are only allowed to make. And there isnt only 1 path for your choices in life. And the argument for lack of free will hinges on there only being one true possible outcome. Which is actually contradicted by the bit of empiracle evidence that we humans have managed to collect on free will.
I believe people who are trying to argue free will here are just confused about the topic. You need to separate the fact that you have a consciousness, subconsciousness, and an unconsciousness
Sometimes mr. Paterson beat around the bushes.
nope, sometimes the title just doesn't get answered. what do you think came first, the title of the video or his lecture?
@@ABagOfLag to get to the other side
There's no free will. If you know you know.