Whether you agree or disagree with all this. I personally prefer teachers like this that put thought, experience, and theory at the forefront of their lectures. Instead of telling people to regurgitate information from books. Tjis way you can form your own thoughts from a wider perspective
How does someone talk so fluently and cohesively for so long! An astounding pleasure to listen to, the students are privileged to have heard this first hand.
It starts with thinking. He’s simply communicating stuff that he’s thought and thought about... You can do the very same thing. Everything Is Music; Always Be Listening...
How weird is the realization of nihilism and the effect it has on body and mind. I was furloughed due to lockdown and had this realization. I went from a cocky personal trainer to a depressed anxious individual that can barely function. Can't stop thinking about the universe and everything. Went to a therapist who told me that people eventually emerge from this realization different, stronger for sure but different. Thanks life🙏 I don't remember seeing nihilism on the menu 😂
Don't be scared of nihilism. It's just that you don't understand it.Use it to be a better person and use the knowledge in life. Knowing your insignificance will make you a less self centered human.
You should have spendt more time to understand what is happening around you. What is up with this difuse threat of a virus, what are these vaccines about. Because you understanding barely anything will make you impotent and this is what Nietzsche is talking about, while the belief in god is replaced by a health cult right hear right now. With realization and deeper insight of what is going on, the feel of despair and weakness will dramaticly drop, the dowside is it can come along with anger and weltschmerz too.
As he says, find yourself in the middle, last I checked, those seeking liberty (freedom, responsibility, truth, and industriousness) straddle the middle, seeking neither too much control nor too much chaos. They find ways to shoulder the responsibly of life. Accept that suffering is a part of humanity. Take blame for your weakness/corruption and move foreword to improve your life and those around you. Today and next week, and next year.
@@thusspokezarathustra5179 wait how can you be anti PC and be a zionist shill? i feel they both can exist without the other? and how does fixing your life make you a zionist shill? because that's what Jordan is talking about here. I didn't see any stars of David's being flexed my man loool
ive yet to find nihilism exhausting. i can use an abstraction of the world, that's what belief systems are. there are probibly people more nihilistic than myself that go to church every sunday trying to blend in with the other zebras. athiests just use science as their belief system even if they dont partake in it themselves, they don't even read science papers. i wonder how many christians actually read their bibles. my mom' s a bible thumper and i know the bible better than she does. thats what i define as a safe space, needing an abstraction to separate themselves for chaos and then not questioning it too hard. pull the strings and it unravels so you don't touch the strings. but i love chaos. i pull strings to see what will happen. i dismantle order and find beauty. most people run in terror.
I feel everyone would benefit from this video. Especially so for those who have reached a nihilistic outlook. But also for those who have an open mind to absorb this information. At the very least, every parent would benefit from this lecture.
This man is putting the efforts to identify and determine the right world or place between the deep dark abyss of the nihilistic fate and a blind faith , which was comfortable one day and had strong defense mechanism against the chaos of being just human . People who lost their blind faith and ended up nihilistic and are eaten by the meaninglessness find it difficult to form a new value system or restore an old one. This man knows the pain. May Allah rewards you Dr Jordan Peterson . Thank you
I think that part doesn’t get talked about enough. Since there’s really not an answer most just wave it off saying “make your own meaning” but in a meaningless world it just keeps eating at you as you realize it’s all just fictions. For me to function better I’ve had to start taking on some blind faith that the answers of the universe are not certain yet and there’s still a chance for a higher purpose that can reflect in a life of responsibility.
I've never listened to a lecture by J. Peterson that wasn't moving and inspirational. He's helped me get through life the way a hot knife helps me get through cold butter.
I turn 30 years old in a month and looking back on the course of my 20s I noticed how unhappy I have become. Things I used to like or were indifferent to I now have a strong disapproving opinion on. Even my basic day-to-day interactions with people often result in me thinking about lots of things. I get irate about making small mistakes in public like being asked to step back from something if I am getting too close, this is because I get mad at myself for not being aware enough and for it taking somebody else to spot something that I was too blind to notice. I really rip into myself afterwards because I feel like I am the only person in the world who makes that mistake. I have been trying for years to change my job but it feels like nothing much is out there that has better pay than my job, I always feel like 'what are the options?' or 'where do I go from here?' kind of thing. That's why I've been stuck in the same miserable job for the past 6 years. If I don't do something soon I feel like I am going to go out of my mind.
Have a good belief system dude, there's no problem believing in a higher power and afterlife. And get the help of a psychotherapist to help you. Sending hugs your way 🤗❤️
@@goodwillambassador4102 thank you Luke I'd like to watch it, but is it helpful in overcoming nihilism? Part of the problem is searching for information which gets you ticking again.. I want to find some solutions or help. I know enough about it, living with it and searching... Ehhhh
Imagine a world where we all have a clear purpose and share our gifts with each other to better each other. This is what I want to create while I'm still here.
I'd say Good Luck but luck has nothing to do with it. Your "imagined world" is an IMPOSSIBLE fiction. You as an individual CAN have that exact experience for some finite amount of time, but the entire species on this planet will never be that.
I became a nihilist as i was experiencing my existential crisis and it was such a hard time for me.. I attempted suicide due to my detachment/depressive episodes and every day was a challenge to me rethinking my whole life .. But there is positive things from it.. Still working on embracing it but hearing from other ppl who have experience gives me hope to see the good in it
I think this discussion should always lead to existentialism. I have incorporated some existentialist themes into my worldview. Which many will confuse with nihilism. Existentialism is mostly about conquering nihilism, and not falling into it's clutches. I'm hesitant to claim that there is a universal purpose to human life. And if there is one, it's will to power. This is one of the things I thought Nietzsche got right. Being an existentialist is all about creating your own meaning, values and purpose. It's anti-herd mentality in the most extreme sense. It acknowledges the fact that there is no universal purpose to life, but it also acknowledges that humans can't just believe in nothing, and to be a nihilist is weak. But, my break with the rest of existentialism is that I don't think most people are capable of being existentialists without falling into nihilism. And that I think there is a human nature. Many existentialist thinkers say there isn't, but I think this is unfounded. The herd mentality is very much a part of human nature, and only a select amount of people are capable of prying themselves out of it. These are typically the people who make up the elite, or become philosophers. I honestly don't think herd mentality is inherently a bad thing, nor do I think extreme individualism is inherently a good thing. Imagine if the entirety of civilization suddenly declared themselves existentialists, society would collapse into utter chaos. I can't even conceive of a society where everyone was a free-thinking individual. So this is why I'm not a full on existentialist. I think it fails to account for human nature, much like liberalism does as well. But the things I think existentialism gets right, is that humans are not rational beings, and while objective truths like the hard sciences are important, they will never be capable of fully understanding the human experience.
I think that you seperate Existentialism from Nihilism too much. Because what Nietzsche essentialy said is by accepting that god is dead and confronting yourself with the abyss of mortality, infinity and seemingly meaninglessness, you will be able to rise from this by accepting that the hear and now and with it you, yourself become the meaning and that you do not need any salvation in the afterlife and stop being basicly a sheep. However, this comes to a price which all excistentalists had: Weltschmerz, since nearly everyone elses around you lives a life mundane.
best take I've seen here. if everything gets sucked into a black hole in a million years it's all meaningless anyway. but we were given a light from the void. whatever you believe in, GOD, the void, or nothing and we are just pure coincidence. might as well enjoy that light that we're thrusted into while we have it. before we return from whence we came. rather spend time growing or have fun before the inevitable death. I think spending the next xx years staring at a wall cuz it's all meaningless seems kinda lame. when you can win at stuff, read stuff, or pig out and die from heart failure. even enjoy nature because it is what it is. not what it think it is. my take on it all. going out with a smile. I can ponder meaninglessness with GOD or the void after death. not during it.
"Every man gives his life for what he believes. Every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing, and so they give their lives to little or nothing. One life is all we have, and we live it as we believe in living it…and then it’s gone. But to surrender who you are and to live without belief is more terrible than dying - even more terrible than dying young. Joan of Arc"
Exposure to your fears is the only cure. I had bad jobs because I had problems with calling. I decided I was anxious because of a lack of experience, and I got a job where I called 100% of the time and I did great.
I’ve been lost in Nihilism since I was genuinely conscious. I understood I just couldn’t agree. As I do not believe there’s anything in the end I believe you should practice good morals or being a decent human in the meantime. My only goal is to make enough to be happy and consistent in life all while keeping it minimal. I don’t require much. And try to be the absolute best person I can be while I’m here. Don’t know if that sounds contradicting.
@euclid of alexandria that’s what is hard about nihilism the very concepts of good, evil, and moral fall on there faces. The mean nothing they are all constructs
When I became completely free of a believe in a god, I found myself in a new, unknown mental space, I then had to fill up this new space with content I wanted. It worked for me, no longer do I struggle or wrestle with belief in a god. I also have no issue entering a religious home, place of worship or engaging with religious people etc. I have also been able to accept the finality of death and also knowing that our species will cease to exist, because immortality for our species is not a right. It's not a given. We shall become extinct and then new evolved species shall appear.
A true nihilist knows that there is no negative and positive, no good or bad, no right or wrong. Everything exist within the void. Nothing has a value outside of our mind.
Exactly, they reject moral principles or any principles/standard or authority outside themselves. A true nihilist goes insane (just like Nieztche did later on in his life).
@@thecarlitosshow7687 I wonder why he went insane. My lens is that nihilism is just the way things are and have always been (no meaning, no morals, and no purpose). Ppl have gotten by this far with these faulty belief systems. That means that whether we freak out or not is just a matter of perspective. I won’t take my ideas so seriously that they cause me to go insane. We have a pretty tragic existence (having no purpose and all that), but the freedom to literally do whatever we want (with the consideration of physical limitations) with no universal rules or limitations is pretty beautiful/incredible. It makes me want to stick around and see what more I can learn and do.
For me it isn't exactly character alignment, as much as it teaches the importance of balance between chaos and order. Meaning which ever u feel is opposing you, to accept it as part of the answer instead of removing it to be replaced with the opposite. To clarify, accept both chaos and order in your conclusion/solution as it would be unwise to seek an absolute answer in one or the other.
The way i view life is as a nihilist, to put it simply i do not believe life has a meaning and everything i say or do does not matter in the long run as 50 to 150 years after i die i will be forgotten, no one will remember my voice or my loves or my interests. Even after that the world will eventually end and after that our solar system will collapse and nothing will remain, thus there are no meaningful, tangible and everlasting consequences for our actions. Our emotions are simply chemicals running through our brains and it can be beneficial for our own sakes to ignore or transform them. I also believe that belief systems themselves take control away from individuals. There are many, many reasons people may believe a religion or vote for a party such as the area you were born and raised. I was born into a Christian family however if i was born in the middle east i would have been a muslim when i was growing up. Belief systems can change due to a multitude of factors such as new information or a challenge to your existing belief. Even my nihilism has come about from environmental factors and my personal experiences. The only thing i know for certain is that i will never know everything which is the case for everyone who ever lived or will live. Because no one can do this objectivity can never be truly achieved which means there will always be new information to challenge and discredit every belief system, meaning no beliefs have meaning to them, no truth. The best we can do, as humans is go with systems that have been shown to work better than others. If i get I'll i will go to a hospital and use modern medicine, i won't use the theories of galen or hippocrates as modern medicine has been proved to work better, however in the future there are likely to be people who think that we were idiots for believing modern medicine was the best choice when their healthcare is better. I've just started reading beyond good and evil so my opinions may change within the next few weeks but this is what i believe and think going into it
This is exactly correct and I've had the exact same realizations as you. It's the most logical truth that we as humans can formulate together and anything else created around it were most likely forms of control or to keep us civil from our animalistic nature.
If emotions were mere "chemicals running through our brains" then you couldn't ignore them. A group of chemicals has no will, no identity, no ability to do anything other than what it does. When I dissolve salt in water the salt doesn't have a choice in the matter. Iron doesn't get a vote about whether it wants to rust or not. In a purely physical sense, not getting into spirituality or anything of the sort, you are a chunk of the universe that it aware of itself. A group of atoms that is capable of doing something other that what it is supposed to do. Chemicals with a choice. Every time you make any decision, no matter how trivial, you are showing just what an amazing thing life and sentience is. We humans may be trivially small in the grand scheme of things, but we have a capacity the greatest objects in the universe don't have. The sun is a tremendous ball of nuclear fusion far larger than our planet, and it is merely one of hundreds of billions in our galaxy, which is one of countless trillions... but a sun will never do anything other than what it does. It will use up its hydrogen, begin "burning" helium, and eventually burn out and collapse. If there was no life this universe would follow the path it was always going to, and eventually end in heat death or collapse. You are far greater than the sun in that regard. You have CHOICES. Life is change in an otherwise static universe. Sentience is the ability to WILLINGLY change the universe. You don't have to know everything. If you did, you'd be God. What you do matters, as you show when you write of modern medicine. If the scientists and doctors were nihilists you wouldn't have access to it, because they never would have bothered to study or learn. And Galen and Hippocrates and all of those who came before are the foundation of that. Modern medicine did not spring into existence whole. It is a process of learning and experimentation that started with people trying treatments and coming up with theories. Ultimately you've already provided your own refutation of nihilism.
@@Evil0tto the point of life is to live. As you said we are a chunk of the universe that is aware of itself and that leads me to believe that we serve no purpose other than making the most out of our life.
Cure=religion and/or objective philosophies centered on family and duty to society like Stoicism. I trust my ancestors more than self-righteous academics and narcissists who want to justify their lack of concern for anything outside of their selfish sphere through philosophical means
It is difficult to ignore the fact that we have to create values from our asses and believe them like crazy in order to keep moving. It is astonishingly frightening and withering, and this can be an obvious sign that something is fucked up here.
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard believing in a god is a simple coping technique for curious thoughts that make us question reality. No truth to any of it, simply a coping mechanism for those incapable of accepting the infinite obliviousness following life. The point and meaning of life is to live, you get it once and need to enjoy it. If heaven were eternal how would you be motivated to do anything? The small amount of time we have on this planet is to do everything you want to do.
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard I’ve read dozens of things about it and was raised Baptist Christian my whole life, went to a private school.. around freshman year of highschool I realized it was complete bogus. Modern Christian practitioners essentially resort to: “because we don’t know god is the answer” on all questions. Tell me how old is our planet in your mind?
I'm pretty much a nihilist and a cynic. I don't think there is purpose to life. I don't think anything we do or can rationally as objectively moral, but I do think the feelings we were given as humans such as empathy, compassion, cruelty, selfishness, etc is what defines morality of the day. That's the point though right, "I think." There has always been different laws, morals and just ways of doing things in general that hurt or benefited humans. That is always subject to change. Is there a universal morality? I say no. Should there be and should humans defend it to the death, yes. For the longest time humans have been inventing creative ways to punish and kill each other through torture for example. The main purpose was to maim, inflict suffering, and to make examples of people for the longest time. We also have the evolutionary side of trying to pass on our genes (accompanies our nurturing spirit for our blood but not anyone else in general). At the end of the day, I think the golden rule applies in terms of quality of life, because things like that can be measured. The common element is that we all want to live how we want to live, right or wrong, it's the closest discussion that can be made to how we as humans should organize.
I attended one of JP's Beyond Order tour events and during the talk I thought very hard about what question I needed to ask in order to start taking action towards fixing up my life and the person I would like to be. I had also booked the Meet & Greet that was planned afterwards so I could ask him personally. But as I thought harder and harder while I heard him speak about the right way of perceiving the world, suffering, meaning and responsibility etc. possible questions came up in my mind, but for every question almost immediately an answer came up. I realized I already had all the freaking answers from studying JPs teachings. And I could only came up with that conclusion when I was forced to think of a question that was really worth asking to someone I truly admired. There were no questions to ask anymore so I kept my mouth quiet.
I've been having existential despair/panic and its been giving me anxiety, I feel like Dr. Peterson is helping out 😁😁abstract thinking is fun and scary
Nihilism is the way out. The structure needs to be created with open eyes and cold facts, structures based on fictions like God or race or nations, structures created by forcing people to pretend to believe ridiculous drivel are always going to collapse. Nihilism acknowledges that there's no inherent meaning or purpose, but that allows the creation of meaning and purpose for it's own sake.
@@extremophile7123 I wouldn't agree nihilism is good, but rather is the cause for good. Like how the darkness highlights light. Nihilism may make us realize we can create our meaning, yet nihilism itself isn't a good thing. The notion that everything is meaningless can be changed if the person perceving it changes their perception. What I'm saying is that nihilism is like being stuck in a cage, yet once we realize that freedom exists, then we will brake out of the cage. If you want to know how I view the notion of optimism and nihilism is this: Nihilism is basically giving up. Optimism is like driving with a blindfold. Obviously we can't give up, but we can't trust in hope either. Since we live in a world where both exists, we have to optimistic enough to not let deprrssion or constant set backs keeps us weak, yet not nihilistic enough to just call it quits and throw away that life is meaningless. We must remember, life CAN go good, life CAN go bad. But does it mean you'll always win or in the end fail? No. The point is to become someone wiser because the optimist sits down and waits for fortune, the nihilist sits down and waits for nothing. Instead have faith. Put meaning in your life. Nothing is truly meaningless, just because life is hard doesn't mean its useless. But that doesn't mean life is a dream where we can breeze through.
joybuzzarD x Before there were these structures you speak of, like god and race and nations, there was nihilism. Nihilism comes before meaning. You contradict yourself by saying nihilism is the way out at the beginning and end it by saying it allows us to create new meaning. And of course you’re correct that there’s no inherent purpose or meaning, but don’t stop there, take that new wisdom and then believe in something. However we don’t exactly know if there really is no inherent meaning or purpose. Maybe there’s a puppet master behind all it all and our purpose is to produce an apex perfect human. What is scientifically true, is that humans need certain things to stay alive, and likewise we need certain things to motivate us and get us to participate in life outside of breeding. A belief system is as much psychologically necessary to stay healthy as insurance and responsible credit card usage is to financial health.
I agree with race and nations ...but GOD variates with people ..we all think of the same thing when you say race and nations ..but God is totally différent ..for an exemple there are who sees God as this bearded Guy living in the sky ..and there are those who sees God as this energetic and creative source ...that's why God would never collapse and would never be ended ..since the begenning of times till now ...God does exist ...some of us belive in his presense in the natural world and some believes his presense in only the minds ...but what ever you believe in ...God surely would never perishes .
Though I see no intrinsic meaning I know in the eyes of my wife, sisters, mother and father I represent meaning to them. This is in part sufficient for me to have 'meaning'
My former friend is a nihilist. She is now on her 8th year of undergrad with a 2.1 GPA, doesn't try to excel at anything, constantly moves cities and realizes she hates them not even 5 months living there, gets stoned off her ass using various substances, and fucks anything that moves. Her other friends were the same way. She really was depressing.
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 I dont think Nihilism is an excuse and it was never intended to be used in that manner. Reading the works of Nietzsche shows that Nihilism manifests itself in two ways. Passive and active. The Passive individual concludes that there is neither objective nor subjective meaning in life. Concludes this in a depressing manner and often leads to physical harm. Active Nihilists find no objective meaning in life yet intend to continue searching the subjective experience to find meaning that makes their life worth living. Nihilism as written by Nietzsche is more of a transitioning phase than it is a stagnant belief system. Two prominent answers to Nihilism is Existentialism and Absurdism. I feel Absurdism places three well defined outcomes to objective meaningingless found in Nihilism. Philosophical suicide or turning to faith in the divine and the abandonment of logical reasoning. Physical suicide, surrendering to meaningless and finding no means that justify an extended existence. Acceptance, concluding that yes the objective reality appears to be logically meaningingless however subjective experiences certainly exist that give reason and joy to life and that these experiences should take precedence as a reason to continue living. That the subjective reality you create for yourself, unique to you can become your own psychological coping structure that makes sense. Life as it is can and should be enjoyed. Interestingly enough these ideas derive from Nihilism. So Nihilism is not absolute in its nature as a pessimistic and depressing sentiment, but a trivial opportunity for growth and finding a purpose true to self that can end poorly for some.
@@zacharymilton8120 there is no such thing as philosophical suicide, people simply hold different world views. Some people just don't care about meaning of life and stuff and thus don't bother it. As we know reality (which is unknown) is unchanging despite our believes, weather athiest or theist. Nihilism is subjective, no matter how you twist the defination. Life is simply life, it's not limited by meaning or meaninglessness, it's driven by our desires and other emotions. Life is Just life. Weather you'll have another or not. Weather there is a higher power or not.
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 It's not a twisted definition. That comes directly from Nietzsches writings. You said Nihilism is an excuse used by depressed people to cope with reality in response to somebody saying their Nihilist friend is depressed. Seems you somewhat defined it then followed that by saying it's subjective, which would have no absolute definition and that would make your idea that its an excuse a twisted use of it. Nietzsche despised systems, and Nihilism isn't meant to be systematic. Hence his presentation of it as a transitionary stage. Have you read any of his works by chance? Camus defined philosophical suicide on the basis that philosophy is a study of general and fundamental questions and the questions are posed as problems to be studied or solved. He calls religious belief a philosophical suicide because it requires abandonment of logical reasoning. It no longer intends to study, resolve or seek answers, instead it places faith in extreme divine where all has been answered. Nihilism is often misunderstood and thus misrepresented.
@@zacharymilton8120 religious beliefs are philosophical Suicide? Maybe christanity, but all religions especially the eastern once work differently. They actually have texts which are thought provoking. Also, what I meant by my first comment was about most nihilists. It wasn't a definition. Also, nihilism with whatever defination it has, it is subjective. As life isn't bound by meaning or meaninglessness irrespective of the existence of God and afterlife.
One thing I'd like to point out is that nihilism will always be weak and will never be too much of a concern for humanity to worry about, at least in the long term of human history. You can see this in how modern nihilism in the West has only been prevalent for a few decades, and now people are already getting sick of it and converting to religion or some belief system centered on objective moral values, going back to faith, society and family. One thing about a philosophy that states nothing matters, is that it does not try to defend itself from external belief systems that are superior or more aggressive, which means it gets killed off long-term. Very good news!
Kind of. Rick is a cosmic nihilist. Peterson describes it. He takes from it too. Idk but yea. Its funny tho you can def see things in RaM that are greatly described by Peterson.
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This is what you get by having a strongly normative concept of enlightenment. Jordan Peterson adapts it in a conservative way. People pointing out that nihilism is pointless, or trying to explain what a nihilist thinks like haven't understood this world. Obviously it is not nihilistic to write something in the comment section, to make that clear. Jordan Peterson tries to deduct values from something that has happened by chance: the human evolution, one does not have to believe in determinism to realize that, what he is attempting is just a way to point out the complexity of human coexisting and the so called human nature to create a coherent idea of values, which is however maybe coherent but never true in an analytical way. In other words: there can not be any empirical normative truth. This being pointless has been mentioned, BUT the goal has to be, to embrace some parts of, what we as a weird creature in this universe have been given. Which is first and foremost a) the feeling of freedom of thought, b) the ability of empathy and c) most importantly the desire to live, which we cannot counteract.
Causality or determinism surely exists. There fire truth exists. Truth is that the same as meaning. There isn’t a higher moral imperative than your own desires for the world. That doesn’t eliminate truth though.
I believe in Solipsism. I also believe in the belief in no meaning is also meaning (just different meaning). A defense mechanism is any meaning that defends ourself from negative emotions. Choosing to believe that nothing means anything gives comfort. Also, believing that nothing is valued outside of our own minds is also a comfort thing.
9:19 "Could we make the world a place where no one is suffering more than necessary..." Yep just kill everyone 9:22 "...and still allow the world to exist" Oh shit he's onto me
0:32 OMFG I'm here guys I'm exactly at this point right now! BANG I'm in chaos.. So glad someone is giving the monster a name, thought I was going crazy.
@@freedomtownn yes it happened to me when I get out of my religion, people who have this problem have something to do with disappointment, untrustworthy and resentment
@@freedomtownn yes you feel disappointment by the truth , and a strange untrustworthiness for nearly all belief systems, you feel numb and apathy. I hope everyone can heal from it, it is so destroying to the human potential specially if you are young enough
Merely the fact that the universe will go on whether you are alive or not should be pretty common sense that it all doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as to what you do as long as you are productive and not hurting others. Nihilism is not about being "lazy" or being "depressed and hopeless" all of the time. It's embracing the idea that there is no objective meaning in this world or any kind of higher purpose given the scientific evidence that we have available to us. Even if there were some "higher purpose" or a "god," you would be living your life as a pawn and just blame everything that happens to you based on fate on not owning up to any of your decisions, which is psychologically unhealthy. Also, religion is often times used as a crutch for people who don't understand science or are so disillusioned and can't accept the fact that there is nothing after your death, that they cling on some religion to make themselves feel better and not accept the possibility that there might be nothing after death. Religion is a coping mechanism essentially and I guess one could say it's also a way for someone to connect with their peers by forming groups, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a way of rejecting reality and not looking at things rationally in order to cope with life. Also, saying that nihilism makes people "lazy," that cannot be further from the truth because nihilism doesn't say you should use it as an excuse to not do anything. It simply allows you to not worry about things that shouldn't be worried about in the first place. Oh and another thing, how is he going to tell someone else that a philosophy that they hold is making them unhappy? As if he fucking knows them? Please, that Peterson guy is preaching his own hidden agenda on to others in order to make everyone else believe the same way that he does. Everyone is different and if what they think is making them happy then it's making them happy. This is a philosophy, not a science, he needs to stop treating it like it's objective because it's as relative and subjective as it gets.
This guy is clearly an idealist who is using the term 'nihilism'for his own purpose as a motivational speaker. I nihilist is simply a person who doesn't believe in anything. He questions every everything, every belief that is presented to him to be accepted. He rejects the illusive ideas that have no real base in order to create a space for new ideas.
Exactly. I've never been more positive and happy once I learned that life has no purpose and that there's no God. It's not hopeless it's freedom. And nihilists are lazy? Oh please, I could say the same about religious people because they stop asking questions and accept whatever their religion tells them, that's lazy.
@@ZERO-rj1xv But that's because you don't have to do anything. You're useless. Nothing matters. You have no responsibility. See how long that works out ya, pal.
Nihilism: We're cursed that we evolved way too much to realize everything is pointless. The Right, Natural, Normal and Healthy Thinking: We received a gift of life to constantly improve different areas in our lives and create appropriate meaningful relationships.
That's totally meaningless, dummy. Go study some physics, some math as well. The deterministic nature of sizeable life undeniably makes your existence truly meaningless. Because meaning is a concept that doesn't really exist. Keep lying to yourself but it can't change the truth. Never can, never will be.
Wow. I’ve watched a lot of his videos mainly because I want to understand the phenomena of his popularity and to hopefully learn something despite me disagreeing with him on a lot of fundament principles. But I’m saving this one, and I think he needs to return to this. Dare I say it, it smacks of the moderate and majority lefts if we want to categorise that way.
I have been trapped by nihilism myself. Because of the solidity of its consistency and flawless nature, it seems to me impossible to break. Recently i have likened it to a painting that i cannot look away from, trying and failing to fault it. What led me to nihilism was this: 1) Human behaviour is encompassed by only two factors: Genetics, and Environment 2) you do not get to choose your genetics, you don't choose your environment either (example: country you were born in, parents, people you meet, which form your experiences). 3) this leads to free will being an illusion, smoke and mirrors. A hollow concept 4) this leads to moral nihilism, that all perceived evil and good people are simply victims of their genetics and experiences of which they had no free will, so morality does not really exist. Therefore there is no inherently "good" or "bad" actions. My degree is biochemistry did not help. It had the opposite of the "paley's watch" argument, for me all the elegant intricate biochemical pathways are cold, mechanical and determined. This furthered the consistency of truth for nihilism. These absolute truths to me means believing in any god concerning morality is incompatible,
I've always thought of Nihilism as the 'red pill' of perspectives, and it was honestly relieving. Its just nice to know this doesnt matter. It doesn't HAVE to matter. Can you imagine the sheer pressure and anxiety it would be for every single moment to matter and be important? We aren't important, even religion supports this if thats your thing. Overcoming how unimportant you are is a key concept to being truly satisfied with life imo.
You thought WRONG in typical 20-something dumbshit 101v to rebel against everything. BS is BS--NIHILISM is uber BS that is criminally UNsafe and should not be tolerated by society.
I somehow quite like Nihilism though. It gives me relief from anxiety and tells me that as life itself has no purpose or meanings, I can become anyone without worrying about wasting my life.
Cyrus' guitar and lift i truly believe this, it’s the fact that nothing has inherent meaning, your pursue for a meaning or finding of makes a life as a being with a conscious
So should one just believe in there own belief system?, Being that the power in belief itself above all else is what actually makes things work for individuals.
What if you are in a society where they dont allow you to confront the bully? If they control the money, they can circumvent the charter of rights, they control the information, they control your ability to unite how can you face or stand up to a force that is far more powerful than you could ever hope to be?
Any system collapses if it does not have faith in or does not give importance to individual differences and capabiities. People will take up belief systems or discard those as and when they truly need those, ignoring that will just create problems not solve any.
Nihilism is just a more sofisticated way to say Yolo with a bit freedom and other stuff, just because there is no meaning to anything you can say there is no reason to live and be happy but also there is no reason to die and be sad, do what you fell to do, on a universe where nothing matters neither logic does, you can do what you want, unjustified or stupid that is, you can feel free to let out your emotions , no matter how irrational those can be. You can do whatever you want, idk what goes on some people that think this is the way to chaos and depression, but what's better than the idea that nothing you do matters,you can take it easy.
"You can do whatever you want, idk what goes on some people that think this is the way to chaos and depression, but what's better than the idea that nothing you do matters,you can take it easy." And other people can do whatever THEY want. So when a group of bandits show up at your home and decide to kill you, rape your family's women, and take your stuff they're just living in freedom too. Taking your freedom and your life is *their* freedom. But then, where did that hypothetical house even come from? Where did your food come from? Doing whatever you want doesn't grow a single potato. It doesn't build a home. It doesn't provide clothing. Someone had to make and grow all of that... and if everyone is doing what they want that person is YOU. Whether you like it or not life requires effort, and that effort is a refutation of nihilism.
@@nate.rrrrrr No. Nihilism means nothing matters. That's its definition. Look it up... "the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless." In nihilism your choices quite literally DON'T matter because nothing does.
We give meaning to things. That doesn't mean life is meaningless neither is there a reason to give meaning to anything. Something completely antecedent to nihilism and religion.
Didn't help in the end, I'm responsible for the terrible things that happened, sure but for most it's too late to do anything about it, and regret is useless, so what about my actual problems that are also my fault, well I lack the motivation to deal with it, simply because all I see around is fucking chaos, I tried my best to believe in something higher, in god, in the logos and even if I like the ideas, the whole surnatural part that there's gonna be a better world to be in after dealing with this awful one seems fictional and I can't convince myself of that. Nihilism sticks on my ass and my self awareness of it isn't sufficient to end it and idk why.
When we say nothing matters it means that doing something is as meaningless as doing nothing since doing nothing is also an action This is why i think you can't be a nihilist in action but can believe in nihilism from a universal perspective like me
i dont know why people hate him lol hes tellin like it is, its a shame he got cut off near the end. He was really starting to make a good point, does anyone know if there is a continuation of this same chat?
Because he's a dispassionate asshole who only has compassion for the well. He interjects his politics into his work and he's an unethical therapist and academic.
My solution was to pause for a second then say fuck it who cares, life's to short to worry about shit, whatever will be will be, it is what it is... And 5 minutes later Ive generally forgotten what I was worried about. The system works 😋
11:00+ wow hes kind of *terrifyingly brilliant* here (specifically not everything hes done just here) because hes mapping out the incredible lives and work on behalf of others time space nature cosmology of so many no ones even heard of and thats many many of us
You know i been listening to jordan for a while now,. Must be a burden to have all this information. I think I just enjoy listening to him because its fine art.
My thoughts as a optimistic nihilist. There is some Leeway in being one, and that there will always be responsibility’s in your life that you cannot say “fuck it” to but, there’s is tragedy’s that are out of control to an extent that you have to learn to say “fuck it” to. And you aren’t really on earth to live a meaningless life, but rather to find your own happiness learn that being contempt, happy, under control of your actions and thoughts while understanding that you and everyone else on the planet doesn’t know anything is better to me then following a endless possibility of religions and joining the herd. I feel as though if the whole world came across a wave of optimistic nihilism it would put life’s back on track to a more unified goal to save humanity because in the end we are here together to figure out our purpose and none of know what will happen after death or even after 100 years beyond your life so why waste it just don’t worry abt it and find your happiness while, The rest of the world fights in controversy you are at peace knowing that the end is the same and it’s a shame that most people will never realize how much time as a species we wasted not all having a end goal for our planet regardless on how we got here. Idk I just started getting into nihilistic beliefs about a few days ago so still a lot I’m trying to figure out myself
same. every time i encounter anxious or depressing emotions i realize how absurd and weird it is to be bothered by thoughts that don’t really matter. many optimists are riddled with stress. they apply meaning into something without actually evaluating and questioning whether or not it’s actually relevant to them, something often seen in abusive or unhealthy relationships and unsatisfying employment. my thoughts on nihilism: nihilism is often viewed as depressing and dangerous when personally i think it’s the complete opposite. hypothetically an optimist with anxiety would ignore it thinking “it’s okay” or “nothing is really wrong” completely ignoring what’s actually occurring no matter how obvious and damaging it is while a more nihilistic person would acknowledge how absurd and weird it is to be bothered by these thoughts that (in their eyes) don’t really matter. optimistic people subconsciously place unrealistic expectations that may never be reached while nihilistic people actually participate in evaluating how significant these expectations really are. it’s the more optimistic people who realize themselves in abusive and unhealthy relationships, unsatisfying jobs, and riddled with anxiety and depression while the more nihilistic people realize how absurd and meaningless these thoughts are and yearn for something that will give them meaning. i honestly wish people can acknowledge how absurd everything is, come together and search the best way to exist without ruining others existence, and continue as a stepping stone towards more generations.
You are pre-supposing in your statement. How if you are in a delusional mindset, you can't know if your reality is a delusion or not, the same can be said with nihilism. Nihilism presupposes that there are no objectivity, but how can you know that for a fact? Our limits of what we can presceive is clouding of judgment either way. We can only be certain of the "cogito", the rest seems to be out of our depths. It's harder to even prove something to be a Truth, rather than saying it's a lie.
SejSaaChannel dude, thanks for making the effort to share these ideas. It’s thought candy that will take me some time to digest. Once I’ve considered your ideas, I’ll make a response. Good job.
@@mr.jamesdavidrobert2115 The philosophers have done most of the thinking already for us. I am only giving the thoughts of Descartes and Nietzche on just this topic. Hopefully we will be just as wise in our thinking as them in the future.
@@obedientdrone1179 I wish i was this philosophical in my young days. Started reading and watching alot now in my 20's, but i feel like it's better to seek knowledge late than never like many people now a days. Poundering about life and philosophical questions should be a thing for all of us. Many people in the world go through their life without even trying to seek knowledge of these kinds of things, when this should be their priority in life. Ps. I live in Norway, so my english might be bad sry in advance.
nihilism isn't inherently bad, it's just not belonging to a belief/s which is okay. A lot of people in this comment section are confusing pessimism and apathy with nihilism. I for example am an optimistic nihilist. A glass may be half full or half empty, who cares, just throw the whole thing away and live life in whatever way you enjoy. believe in religion or good and evil are just things people have made to cope with life. The stars weren't made for us at the end of the day, it's just luck that we're here today. However if you want to believe in a god, morality, ect that's okay. I don't need to believe in it but I'll respect your beliefs because fundamentally i'm not an arsehole.
I was on a site which I thought I would get an answer to the meaning of life, Nihilism etc and then I saw an option to see Jordan Peterson and immediately opted for his site because I knew I would get "the answer" and, naturally, I got what I wanted, "the answer"
Kurzgesagt has described the more positive side of Nihilism pretty well: "Since nothing matters, you're free to assign value to whatever you want. So you don't have to feel like you've wasted your life playing video games and reading comic books. It made you happy. So it mattered. And if it mattered to you, you mattered too."
Seeking transcendence is clearly ingrained deeply within human beings. That is transcendence away from one's self, in connecting with or integrating greater symbolism beyond one's ego. It can also be one's personal connection to the natural world, to a group/tribe, within a religious/psycho-spiritual narrative etc. Some struggle to find what we identify socio-culturally as 'healthy' transcendence- that is addiction to drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling. These palpable phenomena distinguish us from animals and other more basic organisms. The following are some questions raised from the above (possible/likely) universal assumptions- why do we seek transcendence/why is the self not enough? Do we seek transcendence as a means to connect to the source - if so what is the source - God? Why do we crave this extension of ourselves so much if the root of all existence is not transcendent itself? Conversely, but similarly, some may argue that while transcendence is reflected through cosmology and the rest of the universe- this does not mean it is rooted in ultimate meaning (telos) and therefore the First Cause hypothesis is not required, and metaphysical and moral relativism can be considered. However, does that also undo the First Mover hypothesis- surely existence cannot be eternal as this posits an absurdity? Why are we so dissatisfied when we just sit with ourselves- however imaginative or constructive our minds are? Does transcendence point to the objective reality of a lived reality for the human consciousness beyond death? Or perhaps it just points to the hopeful, optimistic longing for the continuation of the self, ego and the 'soul'- for some this may be reduced to just consciousness- but that essence of what makes me, me, and not you, or him/her? How can one understand transcendence through raw biology and reproduction- what is the connection with dopamine and the seeking of the other, of the expanse, of 'everything else'? Is transcendence morally neutral? i.e. Stalin and Hitler arguably found transcendence in war, genocide and totalitarianism. Rousseau said that 'man is free yet everywhere he is in chains'- what chains was Rousseau referring to? Our existence can be articulated as slavish but why is it so? Other Western philosophers showed not just with the logical conclusions of their philosophy but also with their own psycho-spiritual/mental decline (Nietszche, Schopenhauer, Kafka etc) that going inwards into the mind and consciousness rather than outwards is a recipe for disaster in the form of nihilism, or of being 'existentially locked in', or of suicide. Ultimately, it appears palpable that the study of anthropological meaning, of history, of war, of culture, of psychedelics etc can all be rooted in the human being's necessity to escape the confines of the inner self and reach out into the world and grasp on to something within the varying abundance of opportunity- so then the concluding question is- what is the most beneficial, or most worthy thing (object/concept/narrative/being/life project/activity) for us to grasp on to?
I don’t know why nihilism has such a stigma. Nihilists aren't necessarily lazy, amoralist, hopeless, or anything like that. A lot of us just follow our hearts and remind ourselves how lucky we all are to be alive. Enjoying life for life’s sake.
Because, like with a lot of philosophies and ideas, most peoples introduction to it comes in the form of the dickhead who uses it as an excuse to shit on everyone else. No different than Heavy Metal. A person may not like the music, but tell them they have shit taste because of it enough times, and they're just going to hate it on principle.
"The rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless." That's the definition if nihilism. It's not some cool "YOLO" philosophy, it's a rejection of any meaning in life. If you are reminding yourself "how lucky we all are to be alive. Enjoying life for life’s sake" then you're not a nihilist.
Nihilism is just an assumption that life has no meaning. It’s a strong argument for nihilism but the mindset is limited to that assumption. We don’t really know everything yet about the universe or have any clue why we exist. But that doesn’t automatically equals “life is PROBABLY meaningless”
I'm a nihilist. I think it's irrational on a grand scale but can't quite get beyond it due to a left-brained imbalance that causes a deductive outlook. I'm glad that most people are not like me, because the world would be ugly and chaotic without value systems.
“on a grand scale” like what? 2000 years? 1000 years? From the perspective of the universe? You can't look through the grand scale as the grand scale isnt concious i.e the universe. What matters to you, in the matters. You can chose to be delusional through nihilism and don't assert real values on anything. But in the end, what matters to you, matters. Even if you aren't religious or are religious, this is the case for both.
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 universe being conscious or not is not the point here.our existence is insignificant and has no effect on the universe. Whether we exist or not the universe will keep going and extending
@@Silentguy_78 that doesnt mean you sit around doing nothing. Being a nihilists and doing nothing is what I've experienced. It sucks. It's not rational or scientific in any way. World is pretty much like minecraft. It doesn't have a strict goal, but there are a billion things you can do to have fun. Even if there isn't an afterlife or even if there is. We do have to create things which matter to us.
@@Silentguy_78 the trillions of stars don't matter. There's no one there, even if there was, they dont matter to us. So this concept of “our universe” if reduced to the city or even local area you live in. Because that's what matters
Hahaha. It's because he feels like he's the only one who can see clearly and popular opinion teaches people the opposite. He's shouting out of frustration of having to constantly speak out against participation trophy culture.
Morality is a practical guide to reality. Nothing more or less. Arguments to the contrary are relativistic nonsense from those who deny their responsibilities and refuse to confront their own stupidity, and nihilism, regardless of ones perspective of life, is useless. It’s not about if it matters, nihilists are like ants without a Queen, they can’t go on without that calling of external forces guiding them. Nihilism is moral and intellectual apathy. They can’t rely on themselves to believe in anything else unless it were constituted by some all powerful god, which is an unrealistic standard, and ‘justifies’ there excuses to descend to the level existence worse than death. Existential nihilism, the most common reference, is believing that all things are without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. This is wrong. It’s not about what matters. What matters to you and do you believe it? If your answer is no because nothing matters, then you are similar to the slave that is said for not having a master to rule you. You cannot live without a master, and instead of being your own master, you wait endlessly for a master you know will never come. The excuse that all things are baseless hides a deeper truth, nihilists need a based set of ideas to exist properly, and because they set a bar so impossibly high they rarely return from it. I believe in things because I believe them, not because some god or organisation indoctrinated me into believing in them. I’m only certain of my own string of consciousness, I think, therefore, I am alive.
Nihilism is just extreme rationalism, the idea that there is very little if any objectivity to the universe, that morality alongside every other value that people have, is just a matter of perspective and has zero basis in objectivity. There is no universal meaning to life, that’s the way it is, but yes it isn’t helpful to your life to be entirely nihilistic. It’s fine to accept nihilism, but it would be more helpful if you accepted subjectivity as valid on top of your realization of nihilism. If there is no right and wrong, then there is nothing wrong with having your own subjective beliefs and values, so if you want to be happy at all, don’t just focus on objectivity, focus also on subjectivity
The Oedipus situation which he alludes to around 6 mins shows great similarities to the old Chinese proverb of give a man a fish you can feed him for a day teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime!
I escaped Nihilism by discovering and submitting to Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He is the Truth and the Light that we all search for! As a nihilist I would always think about the universe and how insignificant I am as a human being, and the randomness of it all. But by reading the gospels, I still left as a nihilist. That’s when it got bad when even the alleged word of God couldn’t move my heart and sway my mind. God couldn’t fit in my worldview, there wasn’t any space for a creator. Years passed, and loved ones died, goals were met, but I was still empty. But, I decided to try to believe, and started to pray. I felt fake, but still I tried. I read the gospels, and the words began to make since, but not in my worldview but in a different one that I was separated from. The seeds of the Kingdom of Heaven grew, and I began to believe and know, that Jesus is the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. Just like the parable of the farmer sowing his seed, the word of God grows in you and you begin to see. Now I know a lot of this sounds like Mumbo Jumbo to most people, I’m self aware. But Jesus tells us the Word works in this way because “He who has ears to hear, let him hear." When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. Jesus replied “I do this so they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven,” the truth grows in you when you follow Christ. As a nihilist I was trying to make God fit in how I saw the world and I felt, I had no room for him. However after becoming born again, I realize that I need to fit Gods plan, and if I don’t trust in the word and repent of my sins, then he will reject me like I’ve rejected him all my life. But Jesus is mercy, and is God, which is the truth that we are all searching for.
Yeah, but which Christianity? There are a lot of denomination: catholich, orthodox, coptic, protestant? They can't all be right, and christians believe that if u are in the wrong one u go to hell anyway. Not convincing😕
Whether you agree or disagree with all this. I personally prefer teachers like this that put thought, experience, and theory at the forefront of their lectures. Instead of telling people to regurgitate information from books. Tjis way you can form your own thoughts from a wider perspective
Who tf cares what u prefer
@@manavbal4666 you're being a dick, how about just shutting the fuck up?
@@manavbal4666 Fuck off you tosser
People can’t have a conversation with more than 1 reply without the conversation going straight to hell.
@@manavbal4666 by commenting that you imply that someone would care about your opinion on the original comment.
How does someone talk so fluently and cohesively for so long! An astounding pleasure to listen to, the students are privileged to have heard this first hand.
It starts with thinking. He’s simply communicating stuff that he’s thought and thought about... You can do the very same thing.
Everything Is Music; Always Be Listening...
How weird is the realization of nihilism and the effect it has on body and mind. I was furloughed due to lockdown and had this realization. I went from a cocky personal trainer to a depressed anxious individual that can barely function. Can't stop thinking about the universe and everything. Went to a therapist who told me that people eventually emerge from this realization different, stronger for sure but different. Thanks life🙏 I don't remember seeing nihilism on the menu 😂
'Whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger.' - Nietzsche
Don't be scared of nihilism. It's just that you don't understand it.Use it to be a better person and use the knowledge in life. Knowing your insignificance will make you a less self centered human.
@Stratos I How can Nihilism be complete?
You should have spendt more time to understand what is happening around you. What is up with this difuse threat of a virus, what are these vaccines about. Because you understanding barely anything will make you impotent and this is what Nietzsche is talking about, while the belief in god is replaced by a health cult right hear right now. With realization and deeper insight of what is going on, the feel of despair and weakness will dramaticly drop, the dowside is it can come along with anger and weltschmerz too.
So I walk into the therapist office and I see three people sitting in the waiting room a nihilist a cynic and a pessimist lol
As he says, find yourself in the middle, last I checked, those seeking liberty (freedom, responsibility, truth, and industriousness) straddle the middle, seeking neither too much control nor too much chaos. They find ways to shoulder the responsibly of life. Accept that suffering is a part of humanity. Take blame for your weakness/corruption and move foreword to improve your life and those around you. Today and next week, and next year.
Yeah be PC. Go to the Center (Middle).
I though Jewrdan is the new hope of a intellectual conservative.
Peterson is a Zionist shill.
Well said my friend! You are truly wrothy! The God's watch over u! SKÅL
@@thusspokezarathustra5179 wait how can you be anti PC and be a zionist shill? i feel they both can exist without the other? and how does fixing your life make you a zionist shill? because that's what Jordan is talking about here. I didn't see any stars of David's being flexed my man loool
Hey bud did the Rona get you
Do not pray for an easy life.
Pray for the ability to face a difficult one.
Indeed. Better ability is more desirable than better situation. Kinda like "teach me to fish" instead of "giving me a fish to eat"
Prayer never helps. Thoughtful action beats begging god.
This is a good quote
Good grant us faith that when some ill, unwonted, comes our way, deep in our heats thy Spirit will give power to win the day. (Unitarian hymn)
You don't need to pray for either. You're doomed either way. Nature will gradually if not quickly stomp your useless little life the fuck out.
This is actually life saving advice for me.
How's it going?
Wonderful, Evan! Yes, life-affirming and purpose-affirming! Keep up the good fight!!! 😊
The Dude "He's a nihilist. Oh, that must be exhausting."
The Big Lebowski
Demian Hammock Hahaha!
@Kevin Diehl ow the edge
You can't unsee it; that's th eproblem
@@Gallowglass7 its like when you learn Santa isn't real
ive yet to find nihilism exhausting. i can use an abstraction of the world, that's what belief systems are. there are probibly people more nihilistic than myself that go to church every sunday trying to blend in with the other zebras. athiests just use science as their belief system even if they dont partake in it themselves, they don't even read science papers. i wonder how many christians actually read their bibles. my mom' s a bible thumper and i know the bible better than she does. thats what i define as a safe space, needing an abstraction to separate themselves for chaos and then not questioning it too hard. pull the strings and it unravels so you don't touch the strings. but i love chaos. i pull strings to see what will happen. i dismantle order and find beauty. most people run in terror.
We as humans are fortunate that videos like this are freely available. More of us need to educate ourselves to the best of our ability.
I feel everyone would benefit from this video. Especially so for those who have reached a nihilistic outlook. But also for those who have an open mind to absorb this information. At the very least, every parent would benefit from this lecture.
This man is putting the efforts to identify and determine the right world or place between the deep dark abyss of the nihilistic fate and a blind faith , which was comfortable one day and had strong defense mechanism against the chaos of being just human . People who lost their blind faith and ended up nihilistic and are eaten by the meaninglessness find it difficult to form a new value system or restore an old one. This man knows the pain. May Allah rewards you Dr Jordan Peterson . Thank you
Bander Winston you’re talking about absurdism
where did allah come from if you are not talking about blind faith
I value being stimulated. And I value laughing at it all. I value watching the rise and fall of all this phenomena.
@@laramiemonroe6892 maybe his faith is not blind for him he has found meaning some people dont find much meaning and thats "blind faith"
I think that part doesn’t get talked about enough. Since there’s really not an answer most just wave it off saying “make your own meaning” but in a meaningless world it just keeps eating at you as you realize it’s all just fictions. For me to function better I’ve had to start taking on some blind faith that the answers of the universe are not certain yet and there’s still a chance for a higher purpose that can reflect in a life of responsibility.
I've never listened to a lecture by J. Peterson that wasn't moving and inspirational. He's helped me get through life the way a hot knife helps me get through cold butter.
I turn 30 years old in a month and looking back on the course of my 20s I noticed how unhappy I have become. Things I used to like or were indifferent to I now have a strong disapproving opinion on. Even my basic day-to-day interactions with people often result in me thinking about lots of things. I get irate about making small mistakes in public like being asked to step back from something if I am getting too close, this is because I get mad at myself for not being aware enough and for it taking somebody else to spot something that I was too blind to notice. I really rip into myself afterwards because I feel like I am the only person in the world who makes that mistake. I have been trying for years to change my job but it feels like nothing much is out there that has better pay than my job, I always feel like 'what are the options?' or 'where do I go from here?' kind of thing. That's why I've been stuck in the same miserable job for the past 6 years. If I don't do something soon I feel like I am going to go out of my mind.
Have a good belief system dude, there's no problem believing in a higher power and afterlife. And get the help of a psychotherapist to help you. Sending hugs your way 🤗❤️
Nihilism almost ruined my entire life.
I didn't even know this "ism" existed.
Almost, till some help came along at the last moment.
Same until I found out it’s an actual belief last night. Thanks logic
I bet it would if you lack a certain dark sense of humor. Grab some popcorn and observe the end of all things.
I just found out a few minutes ago. Apparently I’m a nihilist
So what is the treatment for nihilism?
@@goodwillambassador4102 thank you Luke I'd like to watch it, but is it helpful in overcoming nihilism? Part of the problem is searching for information which gets you ticking again.. I want to find some solutions or help. I know enough about it, living with it and searching... Ehhhh
Imagine a world where we all have a clear purpose and share our gifts with each other to better each other. This is what I want to create while I'm still here.
A moral, stoical baseline of civilized behavior is needed for this--start with the last 5x of the 10x Commandments for the Israel experiment.
I'd say Good Luck but luck has nothing to do with it. Your "imagined world" is an IMPOSSIBLE fiction. You as an individual CAN have that exact experience for some finite amount of time, but the entire species on this planet will never be that.
I became a nihilist as i was experiencing my existential crisis and it was such a hard time for me.. I attempted suicide due to my detachment/depressive episodes and every day was a challenge to me rethinking my whole life .. But there is positive things from it.. Still working on embracing it but hearing from other ppl who have experience gives me hope to see the good in it
There is no meaning. Just eat . Sleep. Have sex. Like animals. Animals are happy. No concept of money
How are you doing right now with that? I'm in the same situation
@@carlose8268 still struggling man , glad to know im not the only one
@@ghoste_girll actually, this whole generation is struggling with existencial crisis more than ever in history, we're not all one at all.
@@ghoste_girll why did your crisis started?
I think this discussion should always lead to existentialism. I have incorporated some existentialist themes into my worldview. Which many will confuse with nihilism. Existentialism is mostly about conquering nihilism, and not falling into it's clutches. I'm hesitant to claim that there is a universal purpose to human life. And if there is one, it's will to power. This is one of the things I thought Nietzsche got right. Being an existentialist is all about creating your own meaning, values and purpose. It's anti-herd mentality in the most extreme sense. It acknowledges the fact that there is no universal purpose to life, but it also acknowledges that humans can't just believe in nothing, and to be a nihilist is weak. But, my break with the rest of existentialism is that I don't think most people are capable of being existentialists without falling into nihilism. And that I think there is a human nature. Many existentialist thinkers say there isn't, but I think this is unfounded. The herd mentality is very much a part of human nature, and only a select amount of people are capable of prying themselves out of it. These are typically the people who make up the elite, or become philosophers. I honestly don't think herd mentality is inherently a bad thing, nor do I think extreme individualism is inherently a good thing. Imagine if the entirety of civilization suddenly declared themselves existentialists, society would collapse into utter chaos. I can't even conceive of a society where everyone was a free-thinking individual. So this is why I'm not a full on existentialist. I think it fails to account for human nature, much like liberalism does as well. But the things I think existentialism gets right, is that humans are not rational beings, and while objective truths like the hard sciences are important, they will never be capable of fully understanding the human experience.
I think that you seperate Existentialism from Nihilism too much. Because what Nietzsche essentialy said is by accepting that god is dead and confronting yourself with the abyss of mortality, infinity and seemingly meaninglessness, you will be able to rise from this by accepting that the hear and now and with it you, yourself become the meaning and that you do not need any salvation in the afterlife and stop being basicly a sheep. However, this comes to a price which all excistentalists had: Weltschmerz, since nearly everyone elses around you lives a life mundane.
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best take I've seen here. if everything gets sucked into a black hole in a million years it's all meaningless anyway. but we were given a light from the void. whatever you believe in, GOD, the void, or nothing and we are just pure coincidence. might as well enjoy that light that we're thrusted into while we have it. before we return from whence we came. rather spend time growing or have fun before the inevitable death. I think spending the next xx years staring at a wall cuz it's all meaningless seems kinda lame. when you can win at stuff, read stuff, or pig out and die from heart failure. even enjoy nature because it is what it is. not what it think it is.
my take on it all. going out with a smile. I can ponder meaninglessness with GOD or the void after death. not during it.
Brilliant comment, you're on a higher leval of thinking :)
You won't existentially define ANYTHING when BURNING IN HELL FOREVER.
"Every man gives his life for what he believes. Every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing, and so they give their lives to little or nothing. One life is all we have, and we live it as we believe in living it…and then it’s gone.
But to surrender who you are and to live without belief is more terrible than dying - even more terrible than dying young.
Joan of Arc"
Exposure to your fears is the only cure. I had bad jobs because I had problems with calling. I decided I was anxious because of a lack of experience, and I got a job where I called 100% of the time and I did great.
I’ve been lost in Nihilism since I was genuinely conscious. I understood I just couldn’t agree. As I do not believe there’s anything in the end I believe you should practice good morals or being a decent human in the meantime. My only goal is to make enough to be happy and consistent in life all while keeping it minimal. I don’t require much. And try to be the absolute best person I can be while I’m here. Don’t know if that sounds contradicting.
@euclid of alexandria whatever is the right path. Out of the way of others. Not judging.
@euclid of alexandria that’s what is hard about nihilism the very concepts of good, evil, and moral fall on there faces. The mean nothing they are all constructs
NO. There is no basis for being moral/stoical if you think everything is BS. Everything is NOT BS--but NIHILISM is evil BS. Got it?
Nihilism is pointless.
I see what you did there 😉
Ba dum tssh 😉
Pointlessness is pointless
it's pointless, but you know it's easy. It's an easy way out, nothing matters, fuck everything. Merry Christmas.
+Richard Richard
Dont hate the player, hate the game, but dont hate the game either, you have a lifetime to learn my friend.
i read this book and now im a nihilist.. i dont want to be.. but here we are.. and now i dont know what to do..
Are you still one
same same same
Did you clean your room?
It's a test from the God's! Prove your wroth! U got this! I believe in u! SKÅL my friend! 💪😎👍
blatantly exist and have faith in the odds, we ain't here "forever"
When I became completely free of a believe in a god, I found myself in a new, unknown mental space, I then had to fill up this new space with content I wanted. It worked for me, no longer do I struggle or wrestle with belief in a god. I also have no issue entering a religious home, place of worship or engaging with religious people etc. I have also been able to accept the finality of death and also knowing that our species will cease to exist, because immortality for our species is not a right. It's not a given. We shall become extinct and then new evolved species shall appear.
A true nihilist knows that there is no negative and positive, no good or bad, no right or wrong. Everything exist within the void. Nothing has a value outside of our mind.
Yet if given the choice between a bar of chocolate or a fist in the chin people overwhelmingly opt for the chocolate.
Eerie
Exactly, they reject moral principles or any principles/standard or authority outside themselves. A true nihilist goes insane (just like Nieztche did later on in his life).
@@marcelozerbini5411 that everything is meaningless doesn't mean that we can't give it our own meaning
@@cerostymc yeah then if you give your own meaning to something meaningless, then you're not true nihilist
@@thecarlitosshow7687 I wonder why he went insane. My lens is that nihilism is just the way things are and have always been (no meaning, no morals, and no purpose). Ppl have gotten by this far with these faulty belief systems. That means that whether we freak out or not is just a matter of perspective. I won’t take my ideas so seriously that they cause me to go insane. We have a pretty tragic existence (having no purpose and all that), but the freedom to literally do whatever we want (with the consideration of physical limitations) with no universal rules or limitations is pretty beautiful/incredible. It makes me want to stick around and see what more I can learn and do.
I can actually feel my character aligning when I listen to Jordan Peterson... Not joking.
What is your alignment these days? And what was it like before you delved into his works? (I realize this is an old comment hope you see it!)
For me it isn't exactly character alignment, as much as it teaches the importance of balance between chaos and order. Meaning which ever u feel is opposing you, to accept it as part of the answer instead of removing it to be replaced with the opposite.
To clarify, accept both chaos and order in your conclusion/solution as it would be unwise to seek an absolute answer in one or the other.
Life is about taking satisfying poops
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Most underrated sensations
its been awhile
The way i view life is as a nihilist, to put it simply i do not believe life has a meaning and everything i say or do does not matter in the long run as 50 to 150 years after i die i will be forgotten, no one will remember my voice or my loves or my interests. Even after that the world will eventually end and after that our solar system will collapse and nothing will remain, thus there are no meaningful, tangible and everlasting consequences for our actions. Our emotions are simply chemicals running through our brains and it can be beneficial for our own sakes to ignore or transform them.
I also believe that belief systems themselves take control away from individuals. There are many, many reasons people may believe a religion or vote for a party such as the area you were born and raised. I was born into a Christian family however if i was born in the middle east i would have been a muslim when i was growing up. Belief systems can change due to a multitude of factors such as new information or a challenge to your existing belief. Even my nihilism has come about from environmental factors and my personal experiences.
The only thing i know for certain is that i will never know everything which is the case for everyone who ever lived or will live. Because no one can do this objectivity can never be truly achieved which means there will always be new information to challenge and discredit every belief system, meaning no beliefs have meaning to them, no truth. The best we can do, as humans is go with systems that have been shown to work better than others. If i get I'll i will go to a hospital and use modern medicine, i won't use the theories of galen or hippocrates as modern medicine has been proved to work better, however in the future there are likely to be people who think that we were idiots for believing modern medicine was the best choice when their healthcare is better.
I've just started reading beyond good and evil so my opinions may change within the next few weeks but this is what i believe and think going into it
Can u share ur beliefs now??
This is exactly correct and I've had the exact same realizations as you. It's the most logical truth that we as humans can formulate together and anything else created around it were most likely forms of control or to keep us civil from our animalistic nature.
If emotions were mere "chemicals running through our brains" then you couldn't ignore them. A group of chemicals has no will, no identity, no ability to do anything other than what it does. When I dissolve salt in water the salt doesn't have a choice in the matter. Iron doesn't get a vote about whether it wants to rust or not.
In a purely physical sense, not getting into spirituality or anything of the sort, you are a chunk of the universe that it aware of itself. A group of atoms that is capable of doing something other that what it is supposed to do. Chemicals with a choice. Every time you make any decision, no matter how trivial, you are showing just what an amazing thing life and sentience is. We humans may be trivially small in the grand scheme of things, but we have a capacity the greatest objects in the universe don't have. The sun is a tremendous ball of nuclear fusion far larger than our planet, and it is merely one of hundreds of billions in our galaxy, which is one of countless trillions... but a sun will never do anything other than what it does. It will use up its hydrogen, begin "burning" helium, and eventually burn out and collapse. If there was no life this universe would follow the path it was always going to, and eventually end in heat death or collapse. You are far greater than the sun in that regard. You have CHOICES.
Life is change in an otherwise static universe. Sentience is the ability to WILLINGLY change the universe. You don't have to know everything. If you did, you'd be God. What you do matters, as you show when you write of modern medicine. If the scientists and doctors were nihilists you wouldn't have access to it, because they never would have bothered to study or learn. And Galen and Hippocrates and all of those who came before are the foundation of that. Modern medicine did not spring into existence whole. It is a process of learning and experimentation that started with people trying treatments and coming up with theories.
Ultimately you've already provided your own refutation of nihilism.
@@Evil0tto the point of life is to live. As you said we are a chunk of the universe that is aware of itself and that leads me to believe that we serve no purpose other than making the most out of our life.
@@stephenasmith273 but there’s nothing to make out of nothing
God Bless you Dr. Peterson. There should be a little of you in every human being.
Jesus Christ no
Yeah, he's a great messenger for hypocrisy.
(hard) determinism --> nihilism --> cure = existentialism
Cure=religion and/or objective philosophies centered on family and duty to society like Stoicism. I trust my ancestors more than self-righteous academics and narcissists who want to justify their lack of concern for anything outside of their selfish sphere through philosophical means
It is difficult to ignore the fact that we have to create values from our asses and believe them like crazy in order to keep moving. It is astonishingly frightening and withering, and this can be an obvious sign that something is fucked up here.
Well said
Your problem is not believing in God.
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard believing in a god is a simple coping technique for curious thoughts that make us question reality. No truth to any of it, simply a coping mechanism for those incapable of accepting the infinite obliviousness following life. The point and meaning of life is to live, you get it once and need to enjoy it. If heaven were eternal how would you be motivated to do anything? The small amount of time we have on this planet is to do everything you want to do.
@@stephenasmith273 Have you read any serious christian apologetics? I don't thi k so, judging by your comment.
@@Catholic-Redpilled-Spaniard I’ve read dozens of things about it and was raised Baptist Christian my whole life, went to a private school.. around freshman year of highschool I realized it was complete bogus. Modern Christian practitioners essentially resort to: “because we don’t know god is the answer” on all questions. Tell me how old is our planet in your mind?
I'm pretty much a nihilist and a cynic. I don't think there is purpose to life. I don't think anything we do or can rationally as objectively moral, but I do think the feelings we were given as humans such as empathy, compassion, cruelty, selfishness, etc is what defines morality of the day. That's the point though right, "I think." There has always been different laws, morals and just ways of doing things in general that hurt or benefited humans. That is always subject to change. Is there a universal morality? I say no. Should there be and should humans defend it to the death, yes. For the longest time humans have been inventing creative ways to punish and kill each other through torture for example. The main purpose was to maim, inflict suffering, and to make examples of people for the longest time. We also have the evolutionary side of trying to pass on our genes (accompanies our nurturing spirit for our blood but not anyone else in general). At the end of the day, I think the golden rule applies in terms of quality of life, because things like that can be measured. The common element is that we all want to live how we want to live, right or wrong, it's the closest discussion that can be made to how we as humans should organize.
Just let's be witnesses of pervasive nothingness.
I attended one of JP's Beyond Order tour events and during the talk I thought very hard about what question I needed to ask in order to start taking action towards fixing up my life and the person I would like to be. I had also booked the Meet & Greet that was planned afterwards so I could ask him personally. But as I thought harder and harder while I heard him speak about the right way of perceiving the world, suffering, meaning and responsibility etc. possible questions came up in my mind, but for every question almost immediately an answer came up. I realized I already had all the freaking answers from studying JPs teachings. And I could only came up with that conclusion when I was forced to think of a question that was really worth asking to someone I truly admired. There were no questions to ask anymore so I kept my mouth quiet.
JP is a MORAL STOIC--not a John 3:16 pardoned, Christian. On the right track--YES.
I've been having existential despair/panic and its been giving me anxiety, I feel like Dr. Peterson is helping out 😁😁abstract thinking is fun and scary
It sure is. How're you now?
How are you doing?
@HIRO - (016) how are all of YOU doing now
Nihilism is the way out.
The structure needs to be created with open eyes and cold facts, structures based on fictions like God or race or nations, structures created by forcing people to pretend to believe ridiculous drivel are always going to collapse.
Nihilism acknowledges that there's no inherent meaning or purpose, but that allows the creation of meaning and purpose for it's own sake.
So if you are saying that nihilism is good then I agree
@@extremophile7123 I wouldn't agree nihilism is good, but rather is the cause for good.
Like how the darkness highlights light.
Nihilism may make us realize we can create our meaning, yet nihilism itself isn't a good thing. The notion that everything is meaningless can be changed if the person perceving it changes their perception.
What I'm saying is that nihilism is like being stuck in a cage, yet once we realize that freedom exists, then we will brake out of the cage.
If you want to know how I view the notion of optimism and nihilism is this:
Nihilism is basically giving up. Optimism is like driving with a blindfold.
Obviously we can't give up, but we can't trust in hope either. Since we live in a world where both exists, we have to optimistic enough to not let deprrssion or constant set backs keeps us weak, yet not nihilistic enough to just call it quits and throw away that life is meaningless.
We must remember, life CAN go good, life CAN go bad.
But does it mean you'll always win or in the end fail?
No. The point is to become someone wiser because the optimist sits down and waits for fortune, the nihilist sits down and waits for nothing.
Instead have faith. Put meaning in your life. Nothing is truly meaningless, just because life is hard doesn't mean its useless. But that doesn't mean life is a dream where we can breeze through.
joybuzzarD x Before there were these structures you speak of, like god and race and nations, there was nihilism. Nihilism comes before meaning. You contradict yourself by saying nihilism is the way out at the beginning and end it by saying it allows us to create new meaning. And of course you’re correct that there’s no inherent purpose or meaning, but don’t stop there, take that new wisdom and then believe in something. However we don’t exactly know if there really is no inherent meaning or purpose. Maybe there’s a puppet master behind all it all and our purpose is to produce an apex perfect human. What is scientifically true, is that humans need certain things to stay alive, and likewise we need certain things to motivate us and get us to participate in life outside of breeding. A belief system is as much psychologically necessary to stay healthy as insurance and responsible credit card usage is to financial health.
I agree with race and nations ...but GOD variates with people ..we all think of the same thing when you say race and nations ..but God is totally différent ..for an exemple there are who sees God as this bearded Guy living in the sky ..and there are those who sees God as this energetic and creative source ...that's why God would never collapse and would never be ended ..since the begenning of times till now ...God does exist ...some of us belive in his presense in the natural world and some believes his presense in only the minds ...but what ever you believe in ...God surely would never perishes .
Once again that’s existentialism an actual philosophical nihilism true to definition would realize there’s no meaning to create
Though I see no intrinsic meaning I know in the eyes of my wife, sisters, mother and father I represent meaning to them. This is in part sufficient for me to have 'meaning'
That's very brave and profound. Thanks for sharing brother. God bless you.
@@themarkofl1649 You too my friend
My former friend is a nihilist. She is now on her 8th year of undergrad with a 2.1 GPA, doesn't try to excel at anything, constantly moves cities and realizes she hates them not even 5 months living there, gets stoned off her ass using various substances, and fucks anything that moves. Her other friends were the same way. She really was depressing.
This is the point, ideas like nihilism were made during depressing times, and depressed people to cope with reality use nihilism as an excuse.
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 I dont think Nihilism is an excuse and it was never intended to be used in that manner. Reading the works of Nietzsche shows that Nihilism manifests itself in two ways. Passive and active. The Passive individual concludes that there is neither objective nor subjective meaning in life. Concludes this in a depressing manner and often leads to physical harm. Active Nihilists find no objective meaning in life yet intend to continue searching the subjective experience to find meaning that makes their life worth living. Nihilism as written by Nietzsche is more of a transitioning phase than it is a stagnant belief system. Two prominent answers to Nihilism is Existentialism and Absurdism. I feel Absurdism places three well defined outcomes to objective meaningingless found in Nihilism. Philosophical suicide or turning to faith in the divine and the abandonment of logical reasoning. Physical suicide, surrendering to meaningless and finding no means that justify an extended existence. Acceptance, concluding that yes the objective reality appears to be logically meaningingless however subjective experiences certainly exist that give reason and joy to life and that these experiences should take precedence as a reason to continue living. That the subjective reality you create for yourself, unique to you can become your own psychological coping structure that makes sense. Life as it is can and should be enjoyed. Interestingly enough these ideas derive from Nihilism. So Nihilism is not absolute in its nature as a pessimistic and depressing sentiment, but a trivial opportunity for growth and finding a purpose true to self that can end poorly for some.
@@zacharymilton8120 there is no such thing as philosophical suicide, people simply hold different world views. Some people just don't care about meaning of life and stuff and thus don't bother it. As we know reality (which is unknown) is unchanging despite our believes, weather athiest or theist. Nihilism is subjective, no matter how you twist the defination. Life is simply life, it's not limited by meaning or meaninglessness, it's driven by our desires and other emotions. Life is Just life. Weather you'll have another or not. Weather there is a higher power or not.
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 It's not a twisted definition. That comes directly from Nietzsches writings. You said Nihilism is an excuse used by depressed people to cope with reality in response to somebody saying their Nihilist friend is depressed. Seems you somewhat defined it then followed that by saying it's subjective, which would have no absolute definition and that would make your idea that its an excuse a twisted use of it. Nietzsche despised systems, and Nihilism isn't meant to be systematic. Hence his presentation of it as a transitionary stage. Have you read any of his works by chance? Camus defined philosophical suicide on the basis that philosophy is a study of general and fundamental questions and the questions are posed as problems to be studied or solved. He calls religious belief a philosophical suicide because it requires abandonment of logical reasoning. It no longer intends to study, resolve or seek answers, instead it places faith in extreme divine where all has been answered. Nihilism is often misunderstood and thus misrepresented.
@@zacharymilton8120 religious beliefs are philosophical Suicide? Maybe christanity, but all religions especially the eastern once work differently. They actually have texts which are thought provoking. Also, what I meant by my first comment was about most nihilists. It wasn't a definition. Also, nihilism with whatever defination it has, it is subjective. As life isn't bound by meaning or meaninglessness irrespective of the existence of God and afterlife.
I wonder how many students are completely lost??
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@@fsfaludi jesus christ, i understood, how the hell can you guys not?
FRANCIS FALUDI this is a snippet from one of his many lectures on a subject. Watch the entire lecture and maybe you can follow him lol.
@@fsfaludi har har
One thing I'd like to point out is that nihilism will always be weak and will never be too much of a concern for humanity to worry about, at least in the long term of human history. You can see this in how modern nihilism in the West has only been prevalent for a few decades, and now people are already getting sick of it and converting to religion or some belief system centered on objective moral values, going back to faith, society and family. One thing about a philosophy that states nothing matters, is that it does not try to defend itself from external belief systems that are superior or more aggressive, which means it gets killed off long-term. Very good news!
Basically, don’t fight for people if they don’t need you to; teach them how to fight well.
Peterson is some kind of inverted Rick Sanchez
Thankyou for this. You commented what I didn't even know I was thinking
Oh my God you're right
Kind of. Rick is a cosmic nihilist. Peterson describes it. He takes from it too. Idk but yea. Its funny tho you can def see things in RaM that are greatly described by Peterson.
@@Boogaloo_Baloo that's because the show is based on nihilism
He ia the rick of our universe one's who's quite good
He says so much in 12 mins I have to watch a couple of times. His thinking is so far ahead and brilliant, well explained and perfectly tied together.
To the incredible person that's seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤
Don't over blame yourself, accept things and go forward.
Don't let others define what “success” is for you.
Get up, learn the skills needed and get after it, all the keys to a happy life is in your hands.
He. Just. Cant. Stop. He could philosophize the entire world.
This is what you get by having a strongly normative concept of enlightenment. Jordan Peterson adapts it in a conservative way. People pointing out that nihilism is pointless, or trying to explain what a nihilist thinks like haven't understood this world. Obviously it is not nihilistic to write something in the comment section, to make that clear. Jordan Peterson tries to deduct values from something that has happened by chance: the human evolution, one does not have to believe in determinism to realize that, what he is attempting is just a way to point out the complexity of human coexisting and the so called human nature to create a coherent idea of values, which is however maybe coherent but never true in an analytical way. In other words: there can not be any empirical normative truth. This being pointless has been mentioned, BUT the goal has to be, to embrace some parts of, what we as a weird creature in this universe have been given. Which is first and foremost a) the feeling of freedom of thought, b) the ability of empathy and c) most importantly the desire to live, which we cannot counteract.
Causality or determinism surely exists. There fire truth exists. Truth is that the same as meaning. There isn’t a higher moral imperative than your own desires for the world. That doesn’t eliminate truth though.
He just explained why I like Dolstoevsky and the Old Testament so much. That is interesting.
Wow how i would love to be that guy who walks in and sees Jordan Peterson lecturing the class.
A great master once said, "There are no isolated acts".
I believe in Solipsism. I also believe in the belief in no meaning is also meaning (just different meaning). A defense mechanism is any meaning that defends ourself from negative emotions. Choosing to believe that nothing means anything gives comfort. Also, believing that nothing is valued outside of our own minds is also a comfort thing.
Jordan Peterson is the dad you never had
Everything under the sun is vanity, a generation comes and a generation goes and all are striving after the wind.
Ecclesiastes 1:14
@MRL Shakespeare. Macbeth. It's okay, you can cite it! Haha
9:19 "Could we make the world a place where no one is suffering more than necessary..."
Yep just kill everyone
9:22 "...and still allow the world to exist"
Oh shit he's onto me
He fuckin’ nailed the stolen problem argument. That is the best he’s ever articulated that point
0:32 OMFG I'm here guys I'm exactly at this point right now! BANG I'm in chaos.. So glad someone is giving the monster a name, thought I was going crazy.
How'd it work out because SAME.
@@freedomtownn yes it happened to me when I get out of my religion, people who have this problem have something to do with disappointment, untrustworthy and resentment
@@senmonkashonen5875 I got out and over it. Required a lot of soul searching, I think mine was to do with disappointment as well.
@@freedomtownn yes you feel disappointment by the truth , and a strange untrustworthiness for nearly all belief systems, you feel numb and apathy.
I hope everyone can heal from it, it is so destroying to the human potential specially if you are young enough
Yeah, it perfectly explained the situation, most expertly.
6:19 "I'll protect you at the cost of your ability to protect yourself. NO. WRONG"
Every over protective person can relate
Merely the fact that the universe will go on whether you are alive or not should be pretty common sense that it all doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as to what you do as long as you are productive and not hurting others. Nihilism is not about being "lazy" or being "depressed and hopeless" all of the time. It's embracing the idea that there is no objective meaning in this world or any kind of higher purpose given the scientific evidence that we have available to us. Even if there were some "higher purpose" or a "god," you would be living your life as a pawn and just blame everything that happens to you based on fate on not owning up to any of your decisions, which is psychologically unhealthy. Also, religion is often times used as a crutch for people who don't understand science or are so disillusioned and can't accept the fact that there is nothing after your death, that they cling on some religion to make themselves feel better and not accept the possibility that there might be nothing after death. Religion is a coping mechanism essentially and I guess one could say it's also a way for someone to connect with their peers by forming groups, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a way of rejecting reality and not looking at things rationally in order to cope with life. Also, saying that nihilism makes people "lazy," that cannot be further from the truth because nihilism doesn't say you should use it as an excuse to not do anything. It simply allows you to not worry about things that shouldn't be worried about in the first place. Oh and another thing, how is he going to tell someone else that a philosophy that they hold is making them unhappy? As if he fucking knows them? Please, that Peterson guy is preaching his own hidden agenda on to others in order to make everyone else believe the same way that he does. Everyone is different and if what they think is making them happy then it's making them happy. This is a philosophy, not a science, he needs to stop treating it like it's objective because it's as relative and subjective as it gets.
This guy is clearly an idealist who is using the term 'nihilism'for his own purpose as a motivational speaker.
I nihilist is simply a person who doesn't believe in anything. He questions every everything, every belief that is presented to him to be accepted. He rejects the illusive ideas that have no real base in order to create a space for new ideas.
Exactly. I've never been more positive and happy once I learned that life has no purpose and that there's no God. It's not hopeless it's freedom. And nihilists are lazy? Oh please, I could say the same about religious people because they stop asking questions and accept whatever their religion tells them, that's lazy.
@@ZERO-rj1xv But that's because you don't have to do anything. You're useless. Nothing matters. You have no responsibility. See how long that works out ya, pal.
@@jpve76 You are projecting pal.
You don't sound very happy :(
Nihilism:
We're cursed that we evolved way too much to realize everything is pointless.
The Right, Natural, Normal and Healthy Thinking:
We received a gift of life to constantly improve different areas in our lives and create appropriate meaningful relationships.
That's totally meaningless, dummy. Go study some physics, some math as well. The deterministic nature of sizeable life undeniably makes your existence truly meaningless. Because meaning is a concept that doesn't really exist.
Keep lying to yourself but it can't change the truth. Never can, never will be.
@@markarmage3776 “meaning doesn’t exist” is true nihilism. Life has no meaning, and can’t possibly have one because there is no such thing as meaning
The solution to the problem of tragedy and malevolence is the WILLINGNESS to face them
Wow. I’ve watched a lot of his videos mainly because I want to understand the phenomena of his popularity and to hopefully learn something despite me disagreeing with him on a lot of fundament principles. But I’m saving this one, and I think he needs to return to this. Dare I say it, it smacks of the moderate and majority lefts if we want to categorise that way.
I have been trapped by nihilism myself. Because of the solidity of its consistency and flawless nature, it seems to me impossible to break.
Recently i have likened it to a painting that i cannot look away from, trying and failing to fault it.
What led me to nihilism was this:
1) Human behaviour is encompassed by only two factors: Genetics, and Environment
2) you do not get to choose your genetics, you don't choose your environment either (example: country you were born in, parents, people you meet, which form your experiences).
3) this leads to free will being an illusion, smoke and mirrors. A hollow concept
4) this leads to moral nihilism, that all perceived evil and good people are simply victims of their genetics and experiences of which they had no free will, so morality does not really exist. Therefore there is no inherently "good" or "bad" actions.
My degree is biochemistry did not help. It had the opposite of the "paley's watch" argument, for me all the elegant intricate biochemical pathways are cold, mechanical and determined. This furthered the consistency of truth for nihilism.
These absolute truths to me means believing in any god concerning morality is incompatible,
I've always thought of Nihilism as the 'red pill' of perspectives, and it was honestly relieving. Its just nice to know this doesnt matter. It doesn't HAVE to matter.
Can you imagine the sheer pressure and anxiety it would be for every single moment to matter and be important?
We aren't important, even religion supports this if thats your thing. Overcoming how unimportant you are is a key concept to being truly satisfied with life imo.
You thought WRONG in typical 20-something dumbshit 101v to rebel against everything. BS is BS--NIHILISM is uber BS that is criminally UNsafe and should not be tolerated by society.
I somehow quite like Nihilism though. It gives me relief from anxiety and tells me that as life itself has no purpose or meanings, I can become anyone without worrying about wasting my life.
Life is not about having meaning, it's about finding your own ways to have meaning in life.
Replace ways with illusions.
Cyrus' guitar and lift i truly believe this, it’s the fact that nothing has inherent meaning, your pursue for a meaning or finding of makes a life as a being with a conscious
@@sarte_ideas529 that's existentialism
Cyrus' guitar and lift life is about nothing
Cyrus' guitar and lift this gives me hope.
This is incredibly awesome
Brilliant and spot on!
How people could just take this class in real time is beyond me
So should one just believe in there own belief system?, Being that the power in belief itself above all else is what actually makes things work for individuals.
What if you are in a society where they dont allow you to confront the bully? If they control the money, they can circumvent the charter of rights, they control the information, they control your ability to unite how can you face or stand up to a force that is far more powerful than you could ever hope to be?
So insightful. One of the best by him that I've listened to. Thanks for this
Any system collapses if it does not have faith in or does not give importance to individual differences and capabiities.
People will take up belief systems or discard those as and when they truly need those, ignoring that will just create problems not solve any.
Nihilism is just a more sofisticated way to say Yolo with a bit freedom and other stuff, just because there is no meaning to anything you can say there is no reason to live and be happy but also there is no reason to die and be sad, do what you fell to do, on a universe where nothing matters neither logic does, you can do what you want, unjustified or stupid that is, you can feel free to let out your emotions , no matter how irrational those can be.
You can do whatever you want, idk what goes on some people that think this is the way to chaos and depression, but what's better than the idea that nothing you do matters,you can take it easy.
Struggling nihilist:
Because I want it to matter
Because people around you probably believe strongly in some sort of meaning and will set boundaries to your freedom to do whatever the hell you want.
Nihilism doesn't mean nothing matters, it means what you choose does.
"You can do whatever you want, idk what goes on some people that think this is the way to chaos and depression, but what's better than the idea that nothing you do matters,you can take it easy."
And other people can do whatever THEY want. So when a group of bandits show up at your home and decide to kill you, rape your family's women, and take your stuff they're just living in freedom too. Taking your freedom and your life is *their* freedom.
But then, where did that hypothetical house even come from? Where did your food come from? Doing whatever you want doesn't grow a single potato. It doesn't build a home. It doesn't provide clothing. Someone had to make and grow all of that... and if everyone is doing what they want that person is YOU. Whether you like it or not life requires effort, and that effort is a refutation of nihilism.
@@nate.rrrrrr No. Nihilism means nothing matters. That's its definition. Look it up... "the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless." In nihilism your choices quite literally DON'T matter because nothing does.
We give meaning to things. That doesn't mean life is meaningless neither is there a reason to give meaning to anything. Something completely antecedent to nihilism and religion.
Didn't help in the end, I'm responsible for the terrible things that happened, sure but for most it's too late to do anything about it, and regret is useless, so what about my actual problems that are also my fault, well I lack the motivation to deal with it, simply because all I see around is fucking chaos, I tried my best to believe in something higher, in god, in the logos and even if I like the ideas, the whole surnatural part that there's gonna be a better world to be in after dealing with this awful one seems fictional and I can't convince myself of that. Nihilism sticks on my ass and my self awareness of it isn't sufficient to end it and idk why.
When we say nothing matters it means that doing something is as meaningless as doing nothing since doing nothing is also an action
This is why i think you can't be a nihilist in action but can believe in nihilism from a universal perspective like me
i dont know why people hate him lol hes tellin like it is, its a shame he got cut off near the end. He was really starting to make a good point, does anyone know if there is a continuation of this same chat?
Because he's a dispassionate asshole who only has compassion for the well. He interjects his politics into his work and he's an unethical therapist and academic.
Ending the belief systems is proper!
My solution was to pause for a second then say fuck it who cares, life's to short to worry about shit, whatever will be will be, it is what it is... And 5 minutes later Ive generally forgotten what I was worried about. The system works 😋
11:00+ wow hes kind of *terrifyingly brilliant* here (specifically not everything hes done just here) because hes mapping out the incredible lives and work on behalf of others time space nature cosmology of so many no ones even heard of and thats many many of us
Brilliant. Thank you for your process.
Anybody knows what lecture was that or have a link to the full lecture?
7:57 oh, hey preofessor peterson. Don't mind me, just gonna go sit down now. XD
The only thing that makes humans different than animals is the obsession to be unique or special. You aren't, I am not, no human is.
Well said.
You know i been listening to jordan for a while now,. Must be a burden to have all this information. I think I just enjoy listening to him because its fine art.
My thoughts as a optimistic nihilist.
There is some Leeway in being one, and that there will always be responsibility’s in your life that you cannot say “fuck it” to but, there’s is tragedy’s that are out of control to an extent that you have to learn to say “fuck it” to. And you aren’t really on earth to live a meaningless life, but rather to find your own happiness learn that being contempt, happy, under control of your actions and thoughts while understanding that you and everyone else on the planet doesn’t know anything is better to me then following a endless possibility of religions and joining the herd.
I feel as though if the whole world came across a wave of optimistic nihilism it would put life’s back on track to a more unified goal to save humanity because in the end we are here together to figure out our purpose and none of know what will happen after death or even after 100 years beyond your life so why waste it just don’t worry abt it and find your happiness while,
The rest of the world fights in controversy you are at peace knowing that the end is the same and it’s a shame that most people will never realize how much time as a species we wasted not all having a end goal for our planet regardless on how we got here. Idk I just started getting into nihilistic beliefs about a few days ago so still a lot I’m trying to figure out myself
same. every time i encounter anxious or depressing emotions i realize how absurd and weird it is to be bothered by thoughts that don’t really matter. many optimists are riddled with stress. they apply meaning into something without actually evaluating and questioning whether or not it’s actually relevant to them, something often seen in abusive or unhealthy relationships and unsatisfying employment.
my thoughts on nihilism:
nihilism is often viewed as depressing and dangerous when personally i think it’s the complete opposite. hypothetically an optimist with anxiety would ignore it thinking “it’s okay” or “nothing is really wrong” completely ignoring what’s actually occurring no matter how obvious and damaging it is while a more nihilistic person would acknowledge how absurd and weird it is to be bothered by these thoughts that (in their eyes) don’t really matter. optimistic people subconsciously place unrealistic expectations that may never be reached while nihilistic people actually participate in evaluating how significant these expectations really are. it’s the more optimistic people who realize themselves in abusive and unhealthy relationships, unsatisfying jobs, and riddled with anxiety and depression while the more nihilistic people realize how absurd and meaningless these thoughts are and yearn for something that will give them meaning.
i honestly wish people can acknowledge how absurd everything is, come together and search the best way to exist without ruining others existence, and continue as a stepping stone towards more generations.
This man is genius.
There are only two choices:
Nihilism, or
Delusion
Damn... I was thinking no one would get this...
You are pre-supposing in your statement. How if you are in a delusional mindset, you can't know if your reality is a delusion or not, the same can be said with nihilism. Nihilism presupposes that there are no objectivity, but how can you know that for a fact? Our limits of what we can presceive is clouding of judgment either way. We can only be certain of the "cogito", the rest seems to be out of our depths. It's harder to even prove something to be a Truth, rather than saying it's a lie.
SejSaaChannel dude, thanks for making the effort to share these ideas. It’s thought candy that will take me some time to digest.
Once I’ve considered your ideas, I’ll make a response. Good job.
@@mr.jamesdavidrobert2115 The philosophers have done most of the thinking already for us. I am only giving the thoughts of Descartes and Nietzche on just this topic. Hopefully we will be just as wise in our thinking as them in the future.
@@obedientdrone1179 I wish i was this philosophical in my young days. Started reading and watching alot now in my 20's, but i feel like it's better to seek knowledge late than never like many people now a days. Poundering about life and philosophical questions should be a thing for all of us. Many people in the world go through their life without even trying to seek knowledge of these kinds of things, when this should be their priority in life. Ps. I live in Norway, so my english might be bad sry in advance.
nihilism isn't inherently bad, it's just not belonging to a belief/s which is okay. A lot of people in this comment section are confusing pessimism and apathy with nihilism.
I for example am an optimistic nihilist. A glass may be half full or half empty, who cares, just throw the whole thing away and live life in whatever way you enjoy. believe in religion or good and evil are just things people have made to cope with life. The stars weren't made for us at the end of the day, it's just luck that we're here today.
However if you want to believe in a god, morality, ect that's okay. I don't need to believe in it but I'll respect your beliefs because fundamentally i'm not an arsehole.
I was on a site which I thought I would get an answer to the meaning of life, Nihilism etc and then I saw an option to see Jordan Peterson and immediately opted for his site because I knew I would get "the answer" and, naturally, I got what I wanted, "the answer"
What was the answer im susuffering from nihilism
I do think it's possible to foster strength in safe spaces, in fact I think it's the best way, at least for me, to do so.
@@cgxf2188you're probably right, you seem like you've got it figured out
Kurzgesagt has described the more positive side of Nihilism pretty well:
"Since nothing matters, you're free to assign value to whatever you want. So you don't have to feel like you've wasted your life playing video games and reading comic books. It made you happy. So it mattered. And if it mattered to you, you mattered too."
CRT bro yin and yang
EVIL degenerate BS. So eating poop is aok, too? Or raping kids?
Seeking transcendence is clearly ingrained deeply within human beings. That is transcendence away from one's self, in connecting with or integrating greater symbolism beyond one's ego. It can also be one's personal connection to the natural world, to a group/tribe, within a religious/psycho-spiritual narrative etc. Some struggle to find what we identify socio-culturally as 'healthy' transcendence- that is addiction to drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling. These palpable phenomena distinguish us from animals and other more basic organisms. The following are some questions raised from the above (possible/likely) universal assumptions- why do we seek transcendence/why is the self not enough? Do we seek transcendence as a means to connect to the source - if so what is the source - God? Why do we crave this extension of ourselves so much if the root of all existence is not transcendent itself? Conversely, but similarly, some may argue that while transcendence is reflected through cosmology and the rest of the universe- this does not mean it is rooted in ultimate meaning (telos) and therefore the First Cause hypothesis is not required, and metaphysical and moral relativism can be considered. However, does that also undo the First Mover hypothesis- surely existence cannot be eternal as this posits an absurdity? Why are we so dissatisfied when we just sit with ourselves- however imaginative or constructive our minds are? Does transcendence point to the objective reality of a lived reality for the human consciousness beyond death? Or perhaps it just points to the hopeful, optimistic longing for the continuation of the self, ego and the 'soul'- for some this may be reduced to just consciousness- but that essence of what makes me, me, and not you, or him/her? How can one understand transcendence through raw biology and reproduction- what is the connection with dopamine and the seeking of the other, of the expanse, of 'everything else'? Is transcendence morally neutral? i.e. Stalin and Hitler arguably found transcendence in war, genocide and totalitarianism. Rousseau said that 'man is free yet everywhere he is in chains'- what chains was Rousseau referring to? Our existence can be articulated as slavish but why is it so? Other Western philosophers showed not just with the logical conclusions of their philosophy but also with their own psycho-spiritual/mental decline (Nietszche, Schopenhauer, Kafka etc) that going inwards into the mind and consciousness rather than outwards is a recipe for disaster in the form of nihilism, or of being 'existentially locked in', or of suicide. Ultimately, it appears palpable that the study of anthropological meaning, of history, of war, of culture, of psychedelics etc can all be rooted in the human being's necessity to escape the confines of the inner self and reach out into the world and grasp on to something within the varying abundance of opportunity- so then the concluding question is- what is the most beneficial, or most worthy thing (object/concept/narrative/being/life project/activity) for us to grasp on to?
I don’t know why nihilism has such a stigma. Nihilists aren't necessarily lazy, amoralist, hopeless, or anything like that. A lot of us just follow our hearts and remind ourselves how lucky we all are to be alive. Enjoying life for life’s sake.
Right
Because, like with a lot of philosophies and ideas, most peoples introduction to it comes in the form of the dickhead who uses it as an excuse to shit on everyone else.
No different than Heavy Metal. A person may not like the music, but tell them they have shit taste because of it enough times, and they're just going to hate it on principle.
"The rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless." That's the definition if nihilism. It's not some cool "YOLO" philosophy, it's a rejection of any meaning in life. If you are reminding yourself "how lucky we all are to be alive. Enjoying life for life’s sake" then you're not a nihilist.
That’s existentialism, with nihilism there’s not heart to “follow” that just sounds like some new age metaphysical bullshit
Nihilism is just an assumption that life has no meaning.
It’s a strong argument for nihilism but the mindset is limited to that assumption.
We don’t really know everything yet about the universe or have any clue why we exist.
But that doesn’t automatically equals
“life is PROBABLY meaningless”
I'm a nihilist. I think it's irrational on a grand scale but can't quite get beyond it due to a left-brained imbalance that causes a deductive outlook. I'm glad that most people are not like me, because the world would be ugly and chaotic without value systems.
Oh, woe is me. Were you diagnosed with this imbalance or have you deduced it?
“on a grand scale” like what? 2000 years? 1000 years? From the perspective of the universe? You can't look through the grand scale as the grand scale isnt concious i.e the universe. What matters to you, in the matters. You can chose to be delusional through nihilism and don't assert real values on anything. But in the end, what matters to you, matters. Even if you aren't religious or are religious, this is the case for both.
@@sigmachadtrillioniare6372 universe being conscious or not is not the point here.our existence is insignificant and has no effect on the universe. Whether we exist or not the universe will keep going and extending
@@Silentguy_78 that doesnt mean you sit around doing nothing. Being a nihilists and doing nothing is what I've experienced. It sucks. It's not rational or scientific in any way. World is pretty much like minecraft. It doesn't have a strict goal, but there are a billion things you can do to have fun. Even if there isn't an afterlife or even if there is. We do have to create things which matter to us.
@@Silentguy_78 the trillions of stars don't matter. There's no one there, even if there was, they dont matter to us. So this concept of “our universe” if reduced to the city or even local area you live in. Because that's what matters
Order is a tool to reach goals.
Chaos is a tool to experience the new.
I choose to use them like tools.
I enjoyed the passion, but I found myself thinking "why is this man screaming at me" 😂
The only way to get ur attention
Hahaha. It's because he feels like he's the only one who can see clearly and popular opinion teaches people the opposite. He's shouting out of frustration of having to constantly speak out against participation trophy culture.
Don’t know our limitations 🤔 That’s a good thing about reality to keep life from getting boring
Morality is a practical guide to reality. Nothing more or less. Arguments to the contrary are relativistic nonsense from those who deny their responsibilities and refuse to confront their own stupidity, and nihilism, regardless of ones perspective of life, is useless. It’s not about if it matters, nihilists are like ants without a Queen, they can’t go on without that calling of external forces guiding them. Nihilism is moral and intellectual apathy. They can’t rely on themselves to believe in anything else unless it were constituted by some all powerful god, which is an unrealistic standard, and ‘justifies’ there excuses to descend to the level existence worse than death.
Existential nihilism, the most common reference, is believing that all things are without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. This is wrong. It’s not about what matters. What matters to you and do you believe it? If your answer is no because nothing matters, then you are similar to the slave that is said for not having a master to rule you. You cannot live without a master, and instead of being your own master, you wait endlessly for a master you know will never come. The excuse that all things are baseless hides a deeper truth, nihilists need a based set of ideas to exist properly, and because they set a bar so impossibly high they rarely return from it.
I believe in things because I believe them, not because some god or organisation indoctrinated me into believing in them. I’m only certain of my own string of consciousness, I think, therefore, I am alive.
I'm gonna memorize this and it will be my prayer from now on
Nihilism is just extreme rationalism, the idea that there is very little if any objectivity to the universe, that morality alongside every other value that people have, is just a matter of perspective and has zero basis in objectivity. There is no universal meaning to life, that’s the way it is, but yes it isn’t helpful to your life to be entirely nihilistic. It’s fine to accept nihilism, but it would be more helpful if you accepted subjectivity as valid on top of your realization of nihilism. If there is no right and wrong, then there is nothing wrong with having your own subjective beliefs and values, so if you want to be happy at all, don’t just focus on objectivity, focus also on subjectivity
The Oedipus situation which he alludes to around 6 mins shows great similarities to the old Chinese proverb of give a man a fish you can feed him for a day teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime!
I'm in constant battle with 'what's the point?'.
I escaped Nihilism by discovering and submitting to Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He is the Truth and the Light that we all search for! As a nihilist I would always think about the universe and how insignificant I am as a human being, and the randomness of it all. But by reading the gospels, I still left as a nihilist. That’s when it got bad when even the alleged word of God couldn’t move my heart and sway my mind. God couldn’t fit in my worldview, there wasn’t any space for a creator. Years passed, and loved ones died, goals were met, but I was still empty. But, I decided to try to believe, and started to pray. I felt fake, but still I tried. I read the gospels, and the words began to make since, but not in my worldview but in a different one that I was separated from. The seeds of the Kingdom of Heaven grew, and I began to believe and know, that Jesus is the Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. Just like the parable of the farmer sowing his seed, the word of God grows in you and you begin to see. Now I know a lot of this sounds like Mumbo Jumbo to most people, I’m self aware. But Jesus tells us the Word works in this way because “He who has ears to hear, let him hear." When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. Jesus replied “I do this so they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven,” the truth grows in you when you follow Christ. As a nihilist I was trying to make God fit in how I saw the world and I felt, I had no room for him. However after becoming born again, I realize that I need to fit Gods plan, and if I don’t trust in the word and repent of my sins, then he will reject me like I’ve rejected him all my life. But Jesus is mercy, and is God, which is the truth that we are all searching for.
Yeah, but which Christianity? There are a lot of denomination: catholich, orthodox, coptic, protestant? They can't all be right, and christians believe that if u are in the wrong one u go to hell anyway. Not convincing😕