could just be like late 90s early 2000s cars and pop up a snowflake when its freezing out. or a little tire with a thermometer next to it to indicate its cold and let your tires warm up first. i still find these redundant though as when i'm ridding i check the weather before i leave so i know what gear to wear and what to pack along. could be great in the morning but rain in the forecast, so i'll pack my rain suit. or cold in the morning so wear my warm gloves and extra outers, but warm on my way back from work so i should bring along my backpack to stuff it all in later. maybe its just me but part of riding in the first place is understanding the extra risks and issues that come with it and develop habits and systems to overcome those problems.
I do like the ambiant temp, on the 765 RS if it drops below 4.5c it will give you surface warning, makes you abit more cautious when dash shows warnings.
Since Yammi lives in Texas (hot for most of the year) he doesn't appreciate how knowing the temperature right there in our exact spot is super helpful when you live in a climate that can drastically vary not only through the year but also throughout the day.
Yup! I've been thinking about mounting one for the winter months. Plus, I might have dressed for "cold", and I'd like the option to cut a ride short if it starts dropping into "frozen" - *before* it really starts to get to me.
I ride year round, but have a limit down to about 25° at which my gear isn't as effective in keeping the chill away. Knowing just how cold it is where I'm riding helps with "bragging" about being the crazy guy who's out riding in that weather. LoL.
Hill start assist is something that make my ride much more accessible and I'm very happy that my bike have it. I'm after right leg amputation so having hsa or really expensive adaptation
Totally disagree on the ambient temp. I start noticing at what temps my gear works (like gloves and jacket liners, heated gear), and I am more able to know how to dress properly for next rides.
@@wlt3585 The temp changes throughout the ride and I keep noticing at what temp I need to use the heavy gloves versus heated gloves versus light gloves. I personally find it helpful to keep looking at the dash and note what the temp is. To each their own.
I used to know exactly how much to dress because of it back when i used to commute on bike, it was very convinient for me personally. Its already used by the ecu so why not display it. Dudes not the brightest and likely bisexual but whatever we still watch him.
Hi Yammie the ambient temperature is actually an essential feature, especially for those who travel from continents that have different temperatures and have to cross them. You can adjust many things according to the ambient temperature and make your trip safer.
@Drakelett Not all motorcyclists use their bike just for a highway shot or for hanging out with friends. There's people that do long trips they need to know which gear to wear, if the road will be iced and many other things.
Eco modes are fine, some of us commute on motorcycles and saving money is the name of the game. I also like the ambient temp gauge to let me know just how cautious I need to be in any particular area during fall/winter riding.
for people treats motorcycle as a tool and mode of transportation like in asia, it's useful feature, they don't treat motorcycle as a toy and thrill machine
As for the OAT, from my days as a pilot, I don't mind having an OAT. It gives you something to do on a long ride. Like, oh, hey, the temp went down 2deg C when I entered the national forest. Now its only 37deg C down from 39! I'm still about to pass out because it's over 130F in my jacket, but hey before I lose consciousness, that's pretty interesting!..
It's a constant drumbeat on this channel that the only reason to own a bike is to go fast. This is missing a whole segment of motorcyclists, of which I'm one. I just like to ride motorcycles, with no interest in going fast. I like being outside and exposed to the elements. I like a simpler transportation experience than what you can get in a car anymore. I do care about MPG. I like riding down twisty roads, but I'm totally OK doing it at the speed limit, I still find it fun. I go on two wheels ALWAYS unless I HAVE to take the truck for some reason (REALLY bad weather like ice, not just cold, or heavy rains, don't care about light rains, or I have to go buy lumber or tow a trailer or something). I had to take my truck in for service last month because I go weeks and weeks without driving it and the battery had died (still under warranty thus the "take for service")
I find an ambient temperature display to be a useful feature. The bike already has an ambient temperature sensor which the ECU uses to adjust fuel/air ratio. The bike already has a display. So allowing the ambient temperature to be displayed is just a matter of software. It adds no additional hardware.
@@Mikiszub Somewhat wrong answer. Intake air temp (engine air) and Ambient air temp (surrounding environment) are two completely different things. The Intake air temperature sensor (for ECU) on most bike takes the temp reading from inside the preheated air-filter box or manifold and is not ambient air temperature. Ambient air temp gauge is for your safety! It is important to know if it's at or below freezing where you actually are in your surroundings, and not just from somewhere else as reported on the local weather channel.
@@ajseusa1488 That will be true in cars where intake is in engine bay and air will have temp diferent than ambient, but I reckon on bikes its the same sensor
@@Mikiszub The Intake air temp (ECU sensor) for my 300L is up to 50°F+ higher than ambient air temperature after sitting in a hot soak condition. (Like after the 180°F+ engine & exhaust transfers loads of heat into the air-filter box while stationary+idling or after engine shut-down) Going down the road it is around 15-30°F higher than ambient. The IAT sensors temperature reading is far too different from the actual ambient air temperature to use for that function. Sorry, I tried to use it for that function, but it was way more different that I thought. It is correct though first thing in the morning before you start the engine, and then the IAT is good for ambient temperature too. 🙃
I enjoyed the lean angle tracker on the Z H2. How else am I supposed to measure my testicular fortitude after a ride? Not with the avg speed indicator since that maxed at 45mph for some reason.
Just like with cars, the tinkerers and the hotrodders will steer away from new, and the aftermarket will keep expanding. A 20 year old big four will give 90% of the fun, at 20 % of the price.
As someone who rides year round, ambient temp is very usefull. Sometimes i feel cold and swear it is freezing, but it actually is 5C so very little risk of ice. Other times i feel decently warm but it turns out it is actually close to freezing, so i adjust my riding to that. But it's also just 'nice to know'. I like knowing the temperature and seeing the difference in temperature in places where i ride.
02:38 air outside is needed, in Russia i can start ride at +7 and finish at +1 and if so, i know that i should be accurate to detect black ice it's possible. So, i use outside temperature and do not need compas
I think you may be missing the point a bit for three of these, the temp gauge, lean angle and hill assist. All are byproducts of either the "need" for ABS and traction control or to meet emissions regs. To start with the lean angle - this is used by the computer for various electronic saving of the rider who has bought a 200+ BHP bike but can't handle it. They will be saved by the electrickery, so why not have a display to show their heroism? Of course battered hero blobs or knee sliders are better. The temperature gauge is used in the fuel injection calculations, so again, why not have a display for it? The hill start assist has been around on cars for people that can't drive but on bikes as 'stall assist' due to the leaning off of the fuel-air mix when on tickover. Failure to put added fuel into the engine on pull off can result in a stall and dropped bike. Eco-mode or an indicator for the same may be a little pointless, but bikes of over 100 BHP can benefit from the mode when slow riding, like in lower limits. I will use mode 4 on my 2022 Tracer 9 if I am in a 30 MPH limit for extended periods [doesn't happen often] as it slows the throttle response. It's not a true eco mode though and seems to be a little less fuel efficient than 'full' power. Now I wants me a brake cooler...for my Himalayan 411! I would look so cool and fast as I funneled the dust, mud and grit when I ride off-road straight onto my brake pads and pistons requiring brake rebuilds with new pads and disks every five minutes - does anyone have a link to someone that sells them? Anyone?
Hill start is helpful for letting the bike idle in neutral when on a slight incline. It allows me to take both hands off the controls and accomplish a small and fast task without turning off the bike, putting it in grear, then restarting it just to switch screens on my phone or tighten my helmet strap.
You want that ambient temp gauge when you're riding through the mountains early in the morning! Temperature shifts can really catch you off guard. Bad juju 😗
I find the eco mode on CFMotos useful in bad weather. On most of their models, it just adjusts the throttle input percentage.
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I live in Sweden, and in the fall and spring, the ambient temperature is critical while riding. Above 5 degrees C, it cant freeze over. But temps can vary a lot... a compass would be VERY useful too. And regarding brake ducts. Doesn't the mighty Goldwing have that since the 80's?
The cosmetic stuff is pretty funny to see. A lot of what manufacturers are adding to their bikes, are just things people buy and install when spending too much time on Aliexpress. And to make it even funnier, you don’t need justification. They already explain for you 😂
I wish I had an ambient air temp indicator, it would save me from looking at my phone. Got a good laugh while talking about lean angle, watching you slide off the seat and hang out a knee while doing 40mph on a 40mph turn. I know you’re a track guy, but seeing guys do this unnecessarily makes me laugh. We’ve all done it for whatever reason, but still.
You're right, most of these "features" are just Gee-Wizz marketing features to differentiate this year's model from last year's. But the ambient temp readout is a freebie: your ECU is getting that data already for fuel mapping--it costs nothing to send that up to your bikes LCD display. Plus, for anyone who tours more than just the summer months, knowing when the road is approaching freezing, instead of riding in the low 40's, can be a true life saver. Way more helpful than brake ducts.
I see a use for the lean angle reading for novice riders. I'm not very confident at cornering my 275kg ZX-11 beast, but if I could see my leaning schematicly it aids in gaining confidence when I know how far (on the graph) I can lean in safely.
I like the ambient temp gauge, it was due to one of these gauges that I worked out that 44 Deg C is where the head wind fails to cool you, and 47C means your camel back will run out before your fuel.
I use the ambient temperature gauge a lot in the winter, because it's frequently hovering around freezing. If it drops from 34 to 30 degrees, I know to keep a watch out for ice. If it's way up at 40 or down below 30 all the time, it's not all that useful since there isn't any FORMING ice.
My old honda cb400f had some sort of little fender over the brake disc. Discovered in the rain, that the first 0,8 second nothing happens because of all the water it catches. Without the fender you only have about half a second of terror before they start to bite. You never forget your first emergency stop.
i like the temp gauge it lets me know there might be something happening,, here in the tropics, a rapid temp drop (with and increase in humidity) can be hard for most people to pick the temp change, cause it feels the same but it is a great sign there is a "find cover cause it is not going to be fun" level of storm on the way
My Tusk cooling fan kit, came with an LCD screen that has a coolant temp readout. When the bike is parked. I'd find myself checking it nearly everytime I'm near the bike. Also, when your starting a bike in all different seasons in NW Montana. It's good to know the temperature. This will determine what viscosity of oil you'll need. 5w40,10w40,10w50, 15w50. I run them all for different applications. Peace!
Air Temperature feature is really handy! Where I live. I ride all year round. Sometimes I watch the air temperature to figure out if I might come across ice in a particular area. Especially with mountains. But you live in Texas so what do you know! 😂
SOMETHING BACKWARDS: Sport bikes have lean angle readouts and doesn't need 'em & cruisers does not have a lean angle readouts and does need 'em. Anybody that's scraped floorboards in a turn can relate.
Yammie, bikes are not more fuel efficient than cars! My MT09 uses more fuel per mile than my 15 year old 2.2l turbo diesel which is moving over 1500kg of mass.
It depends on the speed. Motorcycles (usually nakeds) have crappy air resistance coefficient: when you ride up to 80-90kmph they could be very efficient (in comparison to cars), but above 120kmph they may suck more petrol than a typical car (air resistance force is proportional to the square of the speed).
I love my ambient temp guage. Yes, I look at weather and dress accordingly...but it;s nice to know if I'm out all day, what the temp is doing. I like it. I agree with all the rest of your points though
Wings & winglets : [roll-eyes] Look at a Formula One car. It has a 3 element rear wing, with a movable centre / DRS flap, and it has a huge under-body difuser. Ok. Now if you see a road-going econo-car, 4 cylinders, 60 hp or so, but sporting that arrangement, what can you presume about the driver? Oh ~ and a 6 inch exhaust tip, like a gun off a battle-ship. Would you think that lad was trying to compensate for something? That's what I think about wings on a road-bike. Brake ducts : I agree. I have terrified myself with massive brake fade, but almost never had that on a bike with perfectly normal brakes that were working in the way they should have. If (let's cite an example) you borrow a ZZR1100 from a friend, and find one of the front disks is so warped it's life threatening, so you unbolt the caliper and put a piece of flat steel in it so the pistons don't pop out, and ride the bike as single disk, and then kind of forget yourself and have a big thrash around your Sunday morning road ~ there's every chance you'll run into massive brake fade and white knuckles. But that's only because you are down to half the normal braking and yet riding it like a superbike race. Ambient temp : meh ~ like gear-position indicators, it's not technically real hard to do and it can perhaps be useful. Eco-Mode indicator : er, if the engine management system has an "Eco mode", which limits performance for the sake of fuel economy, then maybe there should be an indicator for that, in case it comes on, like the "Limp Mode". I think I'd want to know that. Lean Angle sensor : I can see a use for that, but only if the GoPro on my chin-piece was recording while I was having a thrash up the Sunday Morning road. In terms of looking at that while you're knee-down ~ who are you trying to kid!? Hill Start : again, meh. I can see the point, but if you can't keep your foot on the brake, or your fingers, then why are you riding such a big heavy bike? You're obviously not real competent. That said, it might possibly be very convenient. Don't know ~ never had one. Ok, a manual transmission car, I can see a point there. That really might be useful as you wait for the light to go green, especially if there's something a bit naff about the handbrake.
The air temp is useful for people like me who ride 24/7 and don’t use their phone as soon as they wake up. I generally like seeing if it’s under 20°f which means I’ll need to grab the heated gloves over the standard leathers.
There's a lean angle sensor on my bike and I found it depressing on the street, thinking I wasn't able to lean much when on occasion I would look at it in a turn. However, it has a track timer that records it on the track and was happy to see that I was getting good lean angle on a track day, and that wasn't the main thing holding my lap times back (I just need to open the throttle more apparently).
Only "convenience" feature on my 1980 Suzuki GS550L is a fuel gauge, which can only be considered advisory, because it's run out while showing a quarter of a tank before now (with no reserve position, either). I fill it up and count the miles instead, more reliable.
I remember the days when a couple of aggressive brake applications on twisty roads was enough to start brakes fading. Fortunately I haven't had this problem for quite a few decades.
The ambient temp guage could come in handy on long trips in winter. If you're wearing heated gear and the temp was mild when setting off, you might not realize how much it's dropped. Or you've raised or dropped in elevation and are passing through a vold belt. Would give you a heads-up for black ice. I think Yammie Noob is more used to desert riding.
I speak in defence of the ambient temperature gauge... I was a despatch rider ... riding around London for 10 or so hours a day. My benchmark was 10C - if I wore waterproofs for insulation below this - I was nice and warm - above this and I would end up as a soaking sweat ball. Admittedly my version was a stick on type from a garden centre.
Regarding ambient temp , when you start riding early in spring it might be +10C out there but once you ride it might drop to 4 or even 2 in some forest areas where sun is not so intensive due to forest and stuff , that why ambient temp gauge is very handy , you might drop some speed off if you see temp dropping and prepare for ice or smth.
I think the next steps for these high end bikes will active aero where the winglets move based on speed and lean angle. Edit..about ambient temp gauge..its a good thing because fully faired bikes in my expeirce keep a lot of the wind off you so I cant really tell HOW cold it actually is. Guess yam didnt think about the eco mode might be an emissions thing.
Suzuki's auto throttle (which also functions as hill assist) is pretty sweet on hills and stop and go traffic. I do find myself stalling my Yamaha a bit more these days because I did learn bad habits, but I'll still take the auto throttle. Interestingly, when I do stall my bike I stall it smoothly instead of with a jerk.
Brake ducts are basically splatter guards for brake rotors and abs sensors. Ambient temperature sensors are quite useful when temperatures drop to a single digit. Eco mode is again quite useful as a commuter who pays 2.40 euro per litre of 98E5. When you're spending a tenner a gallon, 40 miles isn't that far.
Ambient temperature is already on the bike, so the ECU can adjust the fuel mapping accordingly. They just show it, which is better than having the sensor and not viewing the data.
Boy, I wish my ZX12R or Vulcan1500 had an eco-mode! Both bikes I love to ride, but the 20mpg or less, means no long trips without excessive fuel stops.
3:45 you can tell the temp accurately by feel but you can't tell your heading?? Temp is a much more useful gauge than a compass (you have one on your phone anyway) when you can simply use the sun and road numbers to tell heading.
Another vote for ambient temperature gauges. I like to check it as I start out to be sure I'm not under- or over-estimating my sense of it coming straight out of my house. Also second the value of a compass when riding in unfamiliar territory, though everyone uses GPS now anyway.
Eco mode is not normally used by dct riders BUT it probably is useful for long tourers who realized they didn't stop for gas and are far from any known gas stations
Yam I like this stuff it’s looks cool and and makes the bike feel better every once in a while while your right probably not going to use this stuff but Martin has it on his bike and it looks cool so I say let it be talking about the winglets and brake ducts by the way
I look at ambient temps more than oil or water temp that's for sure... Those are pointless unless it's either particularly hot out (which you can tell from the ambient temp aside from feeling warm), or when you're waiting for the bike to warm up.
They put the ambient temp gauge on the dash because it is 100% free. They need the sensor to run the fueling system anyway. It's a feature for free, put it on.
I understand that a texas guy who doesnt know mountains and long downhill exist and is not willing to even rmotely push it downhill wouldnt see the vaule in brake ducts.
Ambient temp sensors is a great feature. It helps me know if I should wrap up a cold or hot ride or keep going. Compass idea is dumb, I agree with you on eco…complete waste.
Seems like most of the people who like the temp gauge are the ones who ride in crappy / cold weather and don’t live somewhere that’s 70° 95% of the year.
For a liter bike, I could see an Eco indicator being a little silly. For something that you're going to take on a long distance where MPG can matter, Eco indicators can be a crutch. On my bike, I've seen the mileage cut in half between riding what is considered Eco and constantly pushing the RPM's in lower gears. It's the difference between going 250 miles or 140 miles between fill-ups... over long distances that can give you a ton of flexibility To be fair, you can actually be riding in Eco territory at reeeeally high speeds and relatively high RPMs, and once you get a feel for your bike you know how to stretch the mileage and the Eco indicator becomes useless. It's like the flashing RPM indicator on some Kawasaki bikes: you can use it to get yourself a feel for certain limits on your bike, but once you get the feel the function becomes unnecessary.
Your bike already has an outside air sensor so the ECM can adjust fuel and air accordingly. They might as well give you a read out of it and let you decide if you want to use it or not.
If most riders were honest with themselves, most bike mods are done for looks. Most of the "highway drag" guys put $10K worth of useless stick on carbon fiber, but hey if it makes em happy! :D
I always add Air Temp Gauge to any rides I have. Be it a car or Bike just to be aware how to dress appropriately. I can't feel with my winter jackets on if it's already warm enough to ride without the outer layer. I don't wanna be stopping everytime I remove my jacket only to feel that it's still too cold without the outer.
I'm a fan of my bikes eco mode because i live in a rural area so sometimes getting to a gas station that has premium fuel involves getting awfully close to empty on thw gauge.
I find myself checking the ambient temperature gauge a lot. It’s not essential but it’s good info. I’m a traditionalist- I would put automatic transmissions on my list of useless features. They eliminate the great joy of choosing to ride a motorcycle. That’s just me. I know there’s the few riders with disabilities that might benefit- and for them I’m happy auto transmission exists. But it will make motorcycling a lot sadder if it becomes standard
No brake ducts, no HSA (or 3PT, manoeuvring and parking inhibitor) traditional Lean angle indicators only. no winglets, it has the Opposite of an eco mode light. (it comes on at 10000rpm!)
I'm whit you Yammi👍🏻 most of what you said. I also think of 1 other thing, clock for what gear your in? I'm sceptic, if you don't know what gear your in don't drive. Maybe it's just me?😅
In defense of the ambient temperature gauge. Knowing I'm cold isn't enough. I want to know just how close it is to the freezing point, and especially if it dips below that magic number. It really matters if the road is just wet and cold or if it's cold and icy.
I totally agree with winglets and brake ducts being useless and surely something pushed on the engineering team by the design team. Another feature that I hate to find on a motorcycle is adaptative cruise control. Cruise control is nice if you are doing highway for a long time and want to rest your right arm, but adaptative is just stupid and if you need it, maybe you shouldn't ride a bike and stay with a car. Because if you start to rely on technology, you start to be less aware and when that technology fails, you're in deep s***. The compass is a great idea, one that I haven't seen anyone implement yet.
You will never understand the importance of airducts majorly because you do short distance rides. Some of us do very long distance rides in a very hot environment with lots of brakes on the highway. You don't want any brake fades. Those airduct focuses the air thus even making it abit. For winglet, yeah, that one i can agree, not soo many will use, but air duct, that 50% majority will be of help to them
- Brake ducts: yeah, that´s useless when driving around on the streets. - Ambiente temperature: well, it´s information. It can be useful in winter, maybe. You have it?. Good. You don´t?. Good. - ECO Mode: pretty much bullshit in most bikes. When used in wet asphalt, on pretty powerfull bikes... well, OK then. _ Lean angle indicator: it´s information after all, but you won´t be looking at it when leaning, or you shouldn´t, so... again, if you have it OK, if not OK too. - Hill start assist: I had a heavy motorcicle and it was handy, sometimes. I used very few times, when I remembered that I have this thing. So have it or not, OK again.
I think most of these are excusable. ambiant temp? you cant really feel the difference between 5C and 0C, but in that range is where frost will hit, so if you see it around 0-2C you know to be cautious. yea sure you can check the weather before you go but not every trip is worth knowing if itll rain in 2 hours, a trip to the shops can usually be sorted by a glance out of the window, and that little number warning you of frost can be all you need. brake ducts? why not? theyre a simple piece of plastic, metal, or composite that is inexpensive and helps fight brake fade. in many places outside florida, there are these things called "hills" which will often have you trail braking most if not all of the way down, and even motorcycle brakes can start to feel the heat, lmao. scottish highlands, japanese mountain roads, the alps, some really well driven roads there that for most of the trip is just slow driving winding around roads on the brakes, why not have the 10 dollar part (that cannot break) thrown on there. eco mode on most bikes makes sense, they are a commuter vehicle for most of the world, even the sporty ones. id only say theyre dumb for track only bikes, but even then its not a difficult thing to add, and endurance motorcyle racing is a thing at high and low levels where fuel saving is important even when riding hard. (calling on the FIM EWC bois, i keep missing those races) hill start assist is a thing in cars, again they are commuter vehicles for a lot of places not just a luxury, people dont care they just wanna make whatever journey as painless as possible. Manual transmission cars are not difficult to drive, and yet ameicans prefer automatics, I dont think id ever use it and would always prefer this sort of thing to be opt-in, but manufacturers will trim down manufacturing and cut options to save money, and that can be enough to offset the cost difference of the bike/car.
I ride a 2006 triumph Tiger it has nothing extra it’s just me and the throttle and my skills no aids no nanny’s and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in the decade I’ve been riding. I’ve done a few basic upgrades to make it suitable for my weight and skill level but nothing electronic added except headed grips and a proper tune. It’s better than any new bike I’ve ridden and I certainly don’t miss anything from any of the several dozen other bikes I’ve ridden with the sole exception of cruise control
A slip on pipe is a waste of time and money, but people think they give you more power but it’s only a lot more noise. That gives them the impression of increased power. When a current litre sport bike has 200 horsepower and weighs around 450 pounds, what percentage of that power can you use? A lot less than you like to think. As far as fuel efficiency, a car is far more efficient relative to its weight and aerodynamic drag compared to any motorcycle.
Heres an obscure little pretty much useless feature - the right hand steering lock. Not all bikes but many can lock the steering to the RIGHT too. Bet you've never used that and would never need to
I find knowing the temperature handy. but a Compass I agree, especially if you don't know what time it is and can't judge the direction based on where the sun is... If only there was a device that could tell you the time! Sarcasm over. a Barometer could be handy. it may be affected by altitude, but it's about seeing a drop in pressure and knowing bad weather is on the way before you feel or see it (when it's too late) Old school tech is the best, and I don't mean from the 90's... nope I'm talking from twice as far back. with no electronics other than short wave radios. Lean angle AKA inclinometer is very useful in a 4WD. but bikes don't need an electronic display of one... they already have a hard mounted one that shows the bikes angle against the horizon... it's called the handle bars! you know what hill start assist does? it makes it impossible to turn a bike around when you have to so a 3 to 300 point turn in the middle of a trail! (it's the same as an electronic handbrake when you need to slightly alter the position of a car when putting it on a hoist to work on it, or even just do the roll back to get a reading on the wheel alignment machine!)
Wiglets are on all race bikes and aero testing has proven their effect to provide down force on front tire. Brake ducts provide cooling by circulating air around them. Again assuming all riders ride as slow as Yammie Noob. Because if you know the temp you know if bike going to overheat or not.
I like the ambient temperature gauge. Seeing it creep from 70 down to 50 lets me know I'm not just crazy and that it might be time to park soon.
I have one as well.....its called SKIN....lets me know when it is too bloody hot to ride, or too bloody cold.......and I can dress for the cold......
Ambient temperature is especially handy around the freezing point, for the rest I agree.
could just be like late 90s early 2000s cars and pop up a snowflake when its freezing out. or a little tire with a thermometer next to it to indicate its cold and let your tires warm up first.
i still find these redundant though as when i'm ridding i check the weather before i leave so i know what gear to wear and what to pack along. could be great in the morning but rain in the forecast, so i'll pack my rain suit. or cold in the morning so wear my warm gloves and extra outers, but warm on my way back from work so i should bring along my backpack to stuff it all in later.
maybe its just me but part of riding in the first place is understanding the extra risks and issues that come with it and develop habits and systems to overcome those problems.
I do like the ambiant temp, on the 765 RS if it drops below 4.5c it will give you surface warning, makes you abit more cautious when dash shows warnings.
The idea of ambient air temp is to know if ice can form on the bridges you're crossing.
Lots of reasons for all-weather riders. You can't just "feel" it accurately, especially after a while.
Since Yammi lives in Texas (hot for most of the year) he doesn't appreciate how knowing the temperature right there in our exact spot is super helpful when you live in a climate that can drastically vary not only through the year but also throughout the day.
Yup! I've been thinking about mounting one for the winter months. Plus, I might have dressed for "cold", and I'd like the option to cut a ride short if it starts dropping into "frozen" - *before* it really starts to get to me.
I ride year round, but have a limit down to about 25° at which my gear isn't as effective in keeping the chill away. Knowing just how cold it is where I'm riding helps with "bragging" about being the crazy guy who's out riding in that weather. LoL.
Y drive when it's icey? Don't drive motorcycle when it's cold outside, to big of danger, in many ways. I've been driving for 36 y. so...
Hill start assist is something that make my ride much more accessible and I'm very happy that my bike have it. I'm after right leg amputation so having hsa or really expensive adaptation
Totally disagree on the ambient temp. I start noticing at what temps my gear works (like gloves and jacket liners, heated gear), and I am more able to know how to dress properly for next rides.
Same here!
Just check the weather app on your phone????
@@wlt3585 The temp changes throughout the ride and I keep noticing at what temp I need to use the heavy gloves versus heated gloves versus light gloves. I personally find it helpful to keep looking at the dash and note what the temp is. To each their own.
Exactly! A texas guy that perhaps rides once a week wouldnt understand.
@@wlt3585 Just display it on the dash its already being used by the ecu anyway and its in real time and more accurate???
I like the ambient temp gauge.
I came to say this!!
The bike knows the air temp for efi. So why not display it?
Coolant temperature gauge is way more important than ambient temp gauge
I used to know exactly how much to dress because of it back when i used to commute on bike, it was very convinient for me personally. Its already used by the ecu so why not display it. Dudes not the brightest and likely bisexual but whatever we still watch him.
@@GAC8 no way bro
Hi Yammie the ambient temperature is actually an essential feature, especially for those who travel from continents that have different temperatures and have to cross them. You can adjust many things according to the ambient temperature and make your trip safer.
Such as?
@TaiPassionGP yeap its good to know the temp so you have some idea what your grip will be like if you punch it
Really - no bikes had ambient temperature gushes ten years ago. For most of my time riding bikes there were no electronics at all
@ogofog9120 My 2012 Concours 14 has an ambient temperature sensor and it's more useless than Yammie claims
@Drakelett Not all motorcyclists use their bike just for a highway shot or for hanging out with friends. There's people that do long trips they need to know which gear to wear, if the road will be iced and many other things.
Eco modes are fine, some of us commute on motorcycles and saving money is the name of the game. I also like the ambient temp gauge to let me know just how cautious I need to be in any particular area during fall/winter riding.
for people treats motorcycle as a tool and mode of transportation like in asia, it's useful feature, they don't treat motorcycle as a toy and thrill machine
That’s fine but remember manufacturers are charging more for every little feature if you’re okay with that then good.
Eco mode is great when highway patrol is around.
As for the OAT, from my days as a pilot, I don't mind having an OAT. It gives you something to do on a long ride. Like, oh, hey, the temp went down 2deg C when I entered the national forest. Now its only 37deg C down from 39! I'm still about to pass out because it's over 130F in my jacket, but hey before I lose consciousness, that's pretty interesting!..
It's a constant drumbeat on this channel that the only reason to own a bike is to go fast. This is missing a whole segment of motorcyclists, of which I'm one. I just like to ride motorcycles, with no interest in going fast. I like being outside and exposed to the elements. I like a simpler transportation experience than what you can get in a car anymore. I do care about MPG. I like riding down twisty roads, but I'm totally OK doing it at the speed limit, I still find it fun. I go on two wheels ALWAYS unless I HAVE to take the truck for some reason (REALLY bad weather like ice, not just cold, or heavy rains, don't care about light rains, or I have to go buy lumber or tow a trailer or something). I had to take my truck in for service last month because I go weeks and weeks without driving it and the battery had died (still under warranty thus the "take for service")
This!
I appreciate the ambient temperature gauge, as a new rider I was able to pay attention to what gear to wear going into fall.
I find an ambient temperature display to be a useful feature. The bike already has an ambient temperature sensor which the ECU uses to adjust fuel/air ratio. The bike already has a display. So allowing the ambient temperature to be displayed is just a matter of software. It adds no additional hardware.
Ambient temp sensor is mostly for ecu tho. Its just a bonus that they are showing it on screen.
Explain that to this lady
@kamn1 temp sensor along with preassure sensor is used to evaluate air density, and as a result, proper air/ fuel ratio. And ignition advance.
@@Mikiszub Somewhat wrong answer. Intake air temp (engine air) and Ambient air temp (surrounding environment) are two completely different things. The Intake air temperature sensor (for ECU) on most bike takes the temp reading from inside the preheated air-filter box or manifold and is not ambient air temperature. Ambient air temp gauge is for your safety! It is important to know if it's at or below freezing where you actually are in your surroundings, and not just from somewhere else as reported on the local weather channel.
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That will be true in cars where intake is in engine bay and air will have temp diferent than ambient, but I reckon on bikes its the same sensor
@@Mikiszub The Intake air temp (ECU sensor) for my 300L is up to 50°F+ higher than ambient air temperature after sitting in a hot soak condition. (Like after the 180°F+ engine & exhaust transfers loads of heat into the air-filter box while stationary+idling or after engine shut-down) Going down the road it is around 15-30°F higher than ambient. The IAT sensors temperature reading is far too different from the actual ambient air temperature to use for that function. Sorry, I tried to use it for that function, but it was way more different that I thought. It is correct though first thing in the morning before you start the engine, and then the IAT is good for ambient temperature too. 🙃
I like the ambient temp on my bike, I use it literally every time I ride just to see current temp out
I enjoyed the lean angle tracker on the Z H2. How else am I supposed to measure my testicular fortitude after a ride? Not with the avg speed indicator since that maxed at 45mph for some reason.
I like to set my ambient air temp to Celsius so that I have no idea what the temperature actually is.
Just like with cars, the tinkerers and the hotrodders will steer away from new, and the aftermarket will keep expanding. A 20 year old big four will give 90% of the fun, at 20 % of the price.
As someone who rides year round, ambient temp is very usefull.
Sometimes i feel cold and swear it is freezing, but it actually is 5C so very little risk of ice. Other times i feel decently warm but it turns out it is actually close to freezing, so i adjust my riding to that.
But it's also just 'nice to know'. I like knowing the temperature and seeing the difference in temperature in places where i ride.
The eco indicator is useful in a very small set of situations. Like a new rider, on a new bike still figuring the optimal speeds per gear.
02:38 air outside is needed, in Russia i can start ride at +7 and finish at +1 and if so, i know that i should be accurate to detect black ice it's possible. So, i use outside temperature and do not need compas
I think you may be missing the point a bit for three of these, the temp gauge, lean angle and hill assist. All are byproducts of either the "need" for ABS and traction control or to meet emissions regs. To start with the lean angle - this is used by the computer for various electronic saving of the rider who has bought a 200+ BHP bike but can't handle it. They will be saved by the electrickery, so why not have a display to show their heroism? Of course battered hero blobs or knee sliders are better. The temperature gauge is used in the fuel injection calculations, so again, why not have a display for it? The hill start assist has been around on cars for people that can't drive but on bikes as 'stall assist' due to the leaning off of the fuel-air mix when on tickover. Failure to put added fuel into the engine on pull off can result in a stall and dropped bike.
Eco-mode or an indicator for the same may be a little pointless, but bikes of over 100 BHP can benefit from the mode when slow riding, like in lower limits. I will use mode 4 on my 2022 Tracer 9 if I am in a 30 MPH limit for extended periods [doesn't happen often] as it slows the throttle response. It's not a true eco mode though and seems to be a little less fuel efficient than 'full' power.
Now I wants me a brake cooler...for my Himalayan 411! I would look so cool and fast as I funneled the dust, mud and grit when I ride off-road straight onto my brake pads and pistons requiring brake rebuilds with new pads and disks every five minutes - does anyone have a link to someone that sells them? Anyone?
Yeah when you got a blinking gas indicator on the freeway you'll wish you had eco mode
eco mode is fine I guess, especially on CVT scooters where the difference would be like 70mpg vs 130mpg.
So stupid we need more horsepower and not ECO mode
I haven’t been this early in awhile, what’s up yam hope you had a good holidays
Hill start is helpful for letting the bike idle in neutral when on a slight incline. It allows me to take both hands off the controls and accomplish a small and fast task without turning off the bike, putting it in grear, then restarting it just to switch screens on my phone or tighten my helmet strap.
You want that ambient temp gauge when you're riding through the mountains early in the morning! Temperature shifts can really catch you off guard. Bad juju 😗
I find the eco mode on CFMotos useful in bad weather. On most of their models, it just adjusts the throttle input percentage.
I live in Sweden, and in the fall and spring, the ambient temperature is critical while riding. Above 5 degrees C, it cant freeze over. But temps can vary a lot... a compass would be VERY useful too.
And regarding brake ducts. Doesn't the mighty Goldwing have that since the 80's?
Maybe.. But a goldwing wheys around 500kgs 😅
The cosmetic stuff is pretty funny to see. A lot of what manufacturers are adding to their bikes, are just things people buy and install when spending too much time on Aliexpress. And to make it even funnier, you don’t need justification. They already explain for you 😂
I wish I had an ambient air temp indicator, it would save me from looking at my phone.
Got a good laugh while talking about lean angle, watching you slide off the seat and hang out a knee while doing 40mph on a 40mph turn. I know you’re a track guy, but seeing guys do this unnecessarily makes me laugh. We’ve all done it for whatever reason, but still.
You're right, most of these "features" are just Gee-Wizz marketing features to differentiate this year's model from last year's. But the ambient temp readout is a freebie: your ECU is getting that data already for fuel mapping--it costs nothing to send that up to your bikes LCD display. Plus, for anyone who tours more than just the summer months, knowing when the road is approaching freezing, instead of riding in the low 40's, can be a true life saver. Way more helpful than brake ducts.
Hear me out... winglets on brake ducts. I rest my case.
Complete with brake temp indicator
I see a use for the lean angle reading for novice riders. I'm not very confident at cornering my 275kg ZX-11 beast, but if I could see my leaning schematicly it aids in gaining confidence when I know how far (on the graph) I can lean in safely.
If you need hill assist you shouldnt be riding
I like the ambient temp gauge, it was due to one of these gauges that I worked out that 44 Deg C is where the head wind fails to cool you, and 47C means your camel back will run out before your fuel.
I use the ambient temperature gauge a lot in the winter, because it's frequently hovering around freezing. If it drops from 34 to 30 degrees, I know to keep a watch out for ice. If it's way up at 40 or down below 30 all the time, it's not all that useful since there isn't any FORMING ice.
My old honda cb400f had some sort of little fender over the brake disc.
Discovered in the rain, that the first 0,8 second nothing happens because of all the water it catches.
Without the fender you only have about half a second of terror before they start to bite.
You never forget your first emergency stop.
i like the temp gauge it lets me know there might be something happening,, here in the tropics, a rapid temp drop (with and increase in humidity) can be hard for most people to pick the temp change, cause it feels the same
but it is a great sign there is a "find cover cause it is not going to be fun" level of storm on the way
My Tusk cooling fan kit, came with an LCD screen that has a coolant temp readout. When the bike is parked. I'd find myself checking it nearly everytime I'm near the bike. Also, when your starting a bike in all different seasons in NW Montana. It's good to know the temperature. This will determine what viscosity of oil you'll need. 5w40,10w40,10w50, 15w50. I run them all for different applications. Peace!
Air Temperature feature is really handy! Where I live. I ride all year round. Sometimes I watch the air temperature to figure out if I might come across ice in a particular area. Especially with mountains.
But you live in Texas so what do you know! 😂
SOMETHING BACKWARDS: Sport bikes have lean angle readouts and doesn't need 'em & cruisers does not have a lean angle readouts and does need 'em.
Anybody that's scraped floorboards in a turn can relate.
Yammie, bikes are not more fuel efficient than cars! My MT09 uses more fuel per mile than my 15 year old 2.2l turbo diesel which is moving over 1500kg of mass.
It depends on the speed. Motorcycles (usually nakeds) have crappy air resistance coefficient: when you ride up to 80-90kmph they could be very efficient (in comparison to cars), but above 120kmph they may suck more petrol than a typical car (air resistance force is
proportional to the square of the speed).
@piotrpilinko639 all motorcycles have bad aero compared to typical cars. Usually about double the drag coefficient
@@mandrakejake Although some are worse than another (like nakeds). Supersports are usually much better than typical motorcycles in this matter.
I love my ambient temp guage. Yes, I look at weather and dress accordingly...but it;s nice to know if I'm out all day, what the temp is doing. I like it. I agree with all the rest of your points though
Ambient temperature helped me a lot to be prepared for black-ice when I am going on a long ride with varying weather patterns
Wings & winglets : [roll-eyes] Look at a Formula One car. It has a 3 element rear wing, with a movable centre / DRS flap, and it has a huge under-body difuser. Ok. Now if you see a road-going econo-car, 4 cylinders, 60 hp or so, but sporting that arrangement, what can you presume about the driver? Oh ~ and a 6 inch exhaust tip, like a gun off a battle-ship. Would you think that lad was trying to compensate for something? That's what I think about wings on a road-bike.
Brake ducts : I agree. I have terrified myself with massive brake fade, but almost never had that on a bike with perfectly normal brakes that were working in the way they should have. If (let's cite an example) you borrow a ZZR1100 from a friend, and find one of the front disks is so warped it's life threatening, so you unbolt the caliper and put a piece of flat steel in it so the pistons don't pop out, and ride the bike as single disk, and then kind of forget yourself and have a big thrash around your Sunday morning road ~ there's every chance you'll run into massive brake fade and white knuckles. But that's only because you are down to half the normal braking and yet riding it like a superbike race.
Ambient temp : meh ~ like gear-position indicators, it's not technically real hard to do and it can perhaps be useful.
Eco-Mode indicator : er, if the engine management system has an "Eco mode", which limits performance for the sake of fuel economy, then maybe there should be an indicator for that, in case it comes on, like the "Limp Mode". I think I'd want to know that.
Lean Angle sensor : I can see a use for that, but only if the GoPro on my chin-piece was recording while I was having a thrash up the Sunday Morning road. In terms of looking at that while you're knee-down ~ who are you trying to kid!?
Hill Start : again, meh. I can see the point, but if you can't keep your foot on the brake, or your fingers, then why are you riding such a big heavy bike? You're obviously not real competent. That said, it might possibly be very convenient. Don't know ~ never had one. Ok, a manual transmission car, I can see a point there. That really might be useful as you wait for the light to go green, especially if there's something a bit naff about the handbrake.
The air temp is useful for people like me who ride 24/7 and don’t use their phone as soon as they wake up. I generally like seeing if it’s under 20°f which means I’ll need to grab the heated gloves over the standard leathers.
There's a lean angle sensor on my bike and I found it depressing on the street, thinking I wasn't able to lean much when on occasion I would look at it in a turn. However, it has a track timer that records it on the track and was happy to see that I was getting good lean angle on a track day, and that wasn't the main thing holding my lap times back (I just need to open the throttle more apparently).
Only "convenience" feature on my 1980 Suzuki GS550L is a fuel gauge, which can only be considered advisory, because it's run out while showing a quarter of a tank before now (with no reserve position, either). I fill it up and count the miles instead, more reliable.
I remember the days when a couple of aggressive brake applications on twisty roads was enough to start brakes fading. Fortunately I haven't had this problem for quite a few decades.
The ambient temp guage could come in handy on long trips in winter. If you're wearing heated gear and the temp was mild when setting off, you might not realize how much it's dropped. Or you've raised or dropped in elevation and are passing through a vold belt. Would give you a heads-up for black ice. I think Yammie Noob is more used to desert riding.
I speak in defence of the ambient temperature gauge... I was a despatch rider ... riding around London for 10 or so hours a day. My benchmark was 10C - if I wore waterproofs for insulation below this - I was nice and warm - above this and I would end up as a soaking sweat ball. Admittedly my version was a stick on type from a garden centre.
A compass would be cool
The Himalayan 411 had one
Regarding ambient temp , when you start riding early in spring it might be +10C out there but once you ride it might drop to 4 or even 2 in some forest areas where sun is not so intensive due to forest and stuff , that why ambient temp gauge is very handy , you might drop some speed off if you see temp dropping and prepare for ice or smth.
That’s why I picked a W800. No frills, just me and the bike.
I think the next steps for these high end bikes will active aero where the winglets move based on speed and lean angle.
Edit..about ambient temp gauge..its a good thing because fully faired bikes in my expeirce keep a lot of the wind off you so I cant really tell HOW cold it actually is. Guess yam didnt think about the eco mode might be an emissions thing.
Suzuki's auto throttle (which also functions as hill assist) is pretty sweet on hills and stop and go traffic. I do find myself stalling my Yamaha a bit more these days because I did learn bad habits, but I'll still take the auto throttle. Interestingly, when I do stall my bike I stall it smoothly instead of with a jerk.
Brake ducts are basically splatter guards for brake rotors and abs sensors. Ambient temperature sensors are quite useful when temperatures drop to a single digit. Eco mode is again quite useful as a commuter who pays 2.40 euro per litre of 98E5. When you're spending a tenner a gallon, 40 miles isn't that far.
Ambient temperature is already on the bike, so the ECU can adjust the fuel mapping accordingly. They just show it, which is better than having the sensor and not viewing the data.
Ambient temp gauge and lean angle readout are not useless. Especially if you’re on the track.
Boy, I wish my ZX12R or Vulcan1500 had an eco-mode!
Both bikes I love to ride, but the 20mpg or less, means no long trips without excessive fuel stops.
3:45 you can tell the temp accurately by feel but you can't tell your heading?? Temp is a much more useful gauge than a compass (you have one on your phone anyway) when you can simply use the sun and road numbers to tell heading.
Another vote for ambient temperature gauges. I like to check it as I start out to be sure I'm not under- or over-estimating my sense of it coming straight out of my house. Also second the value of a compass when riding in unfamiliar territory, though everyone uses GPS now anyway.
Eco mode is not normally used by dct riders BUT it probably is useful for long tourers who realized they didn't stop for gas and are far from any known gas stations
11:55 into the video, i realized why i subscribed
Yam I like this stuff it’s looks cool and and makes the bike feel better every once in a while while your right probably not going to use this stuff but Martin has it on his bike and it looks cool so I say let it be talking about the winglets and brake ducts by the way
I look at ambient temps more than oil or water temp that's for sure... Those are pointless unless it's either particularly hot out (which you can tell from the ambient temp aside from feeling warm), or when you're waiting for the bike to warm up.
I think hill start assist is a good feature for people like yammie honestly
They put the ambient temp gauge on the dash because it is 100% free. They need the sensor to run the fueling system anyway. It's a feature for free, put it on.
I understand that a texas guy who doesnt know mountains and long downhill exist and is not willing to even rmotely push it downhill wouldnt see the vaule in brake ducts.
Ambient temp sensors is a great feature. It helps me know if I should wrap up a cold or hot ride or keep going. Compass idea is dumb, I agree with you on eco…complete waste.
Seems like most of the people who like the temp gauge are the ones who ride in crappy / cold weather and don’t live somewhere that’s 70° 95% of the year.
For a liter bike, I could see an Eco indicator being a little silly. For something that you're going to take on a long distance where MPG can matter, Eco indicators can be a crutch. On my bike, I've seen the mileage cut in half between riding what is considered Eco and constantly pushing the RPM's in lower gears. It's the difference between going 250 miles or 140 miles between fill-ups... over long distances that can give you a ton of flexibility To be fair, you can actually be riding in Eco territory at reeeeally high speeds and relatively high RPMs, and once you get a feel for your bike you know how to stretch the mileage and the Eco indicator becomes useless. It's like the flashing RPM indicator on some Kawasaki bikes: you can use it to get yourself a feel for certain limits on your bike, but once you get the feel the function becomes unnecessary.
Your bike already has an outside air sensor so the ECM can adjust fuel and air accordingly. They might as well give you a read out of it and let you decide if you want to use it or not.
I think the hill start is vey useful as is the outside temperature gauge, especially on winter touring rides.
If most riders were honest with themselves, most bike mods are done for looks. Most of the "highway drag" guys put $10K worth of useless stick on carbon fiber, but hey if it makes em happy! :D
Eco indicator is actually pretty useful. I like to know when the engine is being used to the max instead of burning through fuel.
The give away bike still looks like an angry hornet......and I still like it.
I always add Air Temp Gauge to any rides I have. Be it a car or Bike just to be aware how to dress appropriately.
I can't feel with my winter jackets on if it's already warm enough to ride without the outer layer.
I don't wanna be stopping everytime I remove my jacket only to feel that it's still too cold without the outer.
I'm a fan of my bikes eco mode because i live in a rural area so sometimes getting to a gas station that has premium fuel involves getting awfully close to empty on thw gauge.
I find myself checking the ambient temperature gauge a lot. It’s not essential but it’s good info.
I’m a traditionalist- I would put automatic transmissions on my list of useless features. They eliminate the great joy of choosing to ride a motorcycle. That’s just me. I know there’s the few riders with disabilities that might benefit- and for them I’m happy auto transmission exists. But it will make motorcycling a lot sadder if it becomes standard
No brake ducts, no HSA (or 3PT, manoeuvring and parking inhibitor) traditional Lean angle indicators only. no winglets, it has the Opposite of an eco mode light. (it comes on at 10000rpm!)
I'm whit you Yammi👍🏻 most of what you said. I also think of 1 other thing, clock for what gear your in? I'm sceptic, if you don't know what gear your in don't drive.
Maybe it's just me?😅
Keep dropping such truths and you might move from papa Yam to Father Yam or just padre.
True video love from India ❤
In defense of the ambient temperature gauge. Knowing I'm cold isn't enough. I want to know just how close it is to the freezing point, and especially if it dips below that magic number. It really matters if the road is just wet and cold or if it's cold and icy.
Totally agree on hill start. I don't even like it on a car with a manual transmission.
I totally agree with winglets and brake ducts being useless and surely something pushed on the engineering team by the design team. Another feature that I hate to find on a motorcycle is adaptative cruise control. Cruise control is nice if you are doing highway for a long time and want to rest your right arm, but adaptative is just stupid and if you need it, maybe you shouldn't ride a bike and stay with a car. Because if you start to rely on technology, you start to be less aware and when that technology fails, you're in deep s***. The compass is a great idea, one that I haven't seen anyone implement yet.
You will never understand the importance of airducts majorly because you do short distance rides. Some of us do very long distance rides in a very hot environment with lots of brakes on the highway. You don't want any brake fades. Those airduct focuses the air thus even making it abit. For winglet, yeah, that one i can agree, not soo many will use, but air duct, that 50% majority will be of help to them
- Brake ducts: yeah, that´s useless when driving around on the streets.
- Ambiente temperature: well, it´s information. It can be useful in winter, maybe. You have it?. Good. You don´t?. Good.
- ECO Mode: pretty much bullshit in most bikes. When used in wet asphalt, on pretty powerfull bikes... well, OK then.
_ Lean angle indicator: it´s information after all, but you won´t be looking at it when leaning, or you shouldn´t, so... again, if you have it OK, if not OK too.
- Hill start assist: I had a heavy motorcicle and it was handy, sometimes. I used very few times, when I remembered that I have this thing. So have it or not, OK again.
I think most of these are excusable.
ambiant temp? you cant really feel the difference between 5C and 0C, but in that range is where frost will hit, so if you see it around 0-2C you know to be cautious. yea sure you can check the weather before you go but not every trip is worth knowing if itll rain in 2 hours, a trip to the shops can usually be sorted by a glance out of the window, and that little number warning you of frost can be all you need.
brake ducts? why not? theyre a simple piece of plastic, metal, or composite that is inexpensive and helps fight brake fade. in many places outside florida, there are these things called "hills" which will often have you trail braking most if not all of the way down, and even motorcycle brakes can start to feel the heat, lmao. scottish highlands, japanese mountain roads, the alps, some really well driven roads there that for most of the trip is just slow driving winding around roads on the brakes, why not have the 10 dollar part (that cannot break) thrown on there.
eco mode on most bikes makes sense, they are a commuter vehicle for most of the world, even the sporty ones. id only say theyre dumb for track only bikes, but even then its not a difficult thing to add, and endurance motorcyle racing is a thing at high and low levels where fuel saving is important even when riding hard. (calling on the FIM EWC bois, i keep missing those races)
hill start assist is a thing in cars, again they are commuter vehicles for a lot of places not just a luxury, people dont care they just wanna make whatever journey as painless as possible. Manual transmission cars are not difficult to drive, and yet ameicans prefer automatics, I dont think id ever use it and would always prefer this sort of thing to be opt-in, but manufacturers will trim down manufacturing and cut options to save money, and that can be enough to offset the cost difference of the bike/car.
I ride a 2006 triumph Tiger it has nothing extra it’s just me and the throttle and my skills no aids no nanny’s and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in the decade I’ve been riding. I’ve done a few basic upgrades to make it suitable for my weight and skill level but nothing electronic added except headed grips and a proper tune. It’s better than any new bike I’ve ridden and I certainly don’t miss anything from any of the several dozen other bikes I’ve ridden with the sole exception of cruise control
A slip on pipe is a waste of time and money, but people think they give you more power but it’s only a lot more noise. That gives them the impression of increased power.
When a current litre sport bike has 200 horsepower and weighs around 450 pounds, what percentage of that power can you use? A lot less than you like to think.
As far as fuel efficiency, a car is far more efficient relative to its weight and aerodynamic drag compared to any motorcycle.
Heres an obscure little pretty much useless feature - the right hand steering lock. Not all bikes but many can lock the steering to the RIGHT too. Bet you've never used that and would never need to
I like the ambient temperature gauge solely out of curiosity purposes. Even though my xsr700 always has an incorrect reading.
Time to go back to old school motorcycle with out the bells and Whistle
I find knowing the temperature handy. but a Compass I agree, especially if you don't know what time it is and can't judge the direction based on where the sun is... If only there was a device that could tell you the time!
Sarcasm over. a Barometer could be handy. it may be affected by altitude, but it's about seeing a drop in pressure and knowing bad weather is on the way before you feel or see it (when it's too late)
Old school tech is the best, and I don't mean from the 90's... nope I'm talking from twice as far back. with no electronics other than short wave radios.
Lean angle AKA inclinometer is very useful in a 4WD. but bikes don't need an electronic display of one... they already have a hard mounted one that shows the bikes angle against the horizon... it's called the handle bars!
you know what hill start assist does? it makes it impossible to turn a bike around when you have to so a 3 to 300 point turn in the middle of a trail! (it's the same as an electronic handbrake when you need to slightly alter the position of a car when putting it on a hoist to work on it, or even just do the roll back to get a reading on the wheel alignment machine!)
Wiglets are on all race bikes and aero testing has proven their effect to provide down force on front tire. Brake ducts provide cooling by circulating air around them. Again assuming all riders ride as slow as Yammie Noob. Because if you know the temp you know if bike going to overheat or not.
How about a 20 inch screen so you can watch netflix while youre riding? Oh... and a microwave.
winglets: when your other ride is a civic type R with a massive hooped trunk spoiler