"A notable feature available in this generation was the automatic four wheel drive option called Quadra-Drive, which employed the New Venture Gear NV247 transfer case. This two-speed chain-driven transfer case uses a gerotor, a clutch pack coupled to a hydraulic pump, to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. The transfer case contains three modes, 4-All Time, Neutral, and 4-Lo. In 4-All Time, 100% of torque is sent to the rear axle in normal conditions. If the rear axle starts spinning at a higher rate than the front axle, hydraulic pressure builds up in the gerotor and causes the clutch pack to progressively transfer torque to the front axle until both axles return to the same speed. Neutral mode is intended for towing the vehicle. In 4-Lo, the front and rear axles are locked together through a 2.72 reduction gear ratio. The NV247 transfer case is mated to front and rear axles containing Jeep's Vari-Lok differentials. Vari-Lok differentials also use a gerotor to transfer torque between the wheels on either side of the axle. The major advantage of Quadra-Drive was that the combined transfer case and progressive locking differentials in each axle could automatically control traction between all four wheels. However, only the center differential could be permanently locked, and only in 4Lo. The Quadra-Trac II system included the NV247 transfer case with the standard open front and rear differentials." - Wikipedia But not all WJ's had the Quadra-Drive, but it doesn't even look like this driver engaged 4x4 move, he was jus tin the 1 wheel mode called 4x4 hi whch is just when one rear wheel turns until it spins then one front wheel spins to help out... in the 4x4 lo one wheel in the front and back are spinning at all times... then if you push the brakes all 4 wheels will spin for a short time... then if you have quadra-drive then you start with 1 wheel in the back and 1 in the front and if any wheels spins then wheel on the other side will spin to try to help out... it's complicated but again this driver didn't even turn on 4x4. In the snow the lighter vehicle has the advantage, but the Jeep WJ here isn't very heavy, but is heavier than the subaru.
Just to be clear cause quite a few of you are confused. The Jeep as stated is 4x4 meaning either "selectrac" ( 242 transfer case, brake locking diffs), or "Quadra trac 2" ( 247 TC BLD). Now if that jeep had Quadra Drive (247 TC hydra-lok axles), like my wj does, it would have walked all over that and been wondering where's the challenge. Especially with the proper tires. Gotta love that Subaru though. And another note Subaru symmetrical awd is essentially QD. Slightly different though, QD is normally rwd and the fronts kick in when needed, Subaru is opposite. One thing that makes QD unique is the gerotor couplers in the diffs and one in the 247, as oppose to viscous couplers normally used in such applications. Look it up if you don't know. Not sure which system came first, but both seem to be great I can only attest to one. If you notice, pretty much any good electronically controlled awd system theses days or at least for a good 10yrs after QD was scrapped for QD 2 on the wk, is pretty much mimicking these two systems.
This one is all about traction in the snow - not much of a test of 4WD or AWD ability. The biggest contributing factor are tyres. The Jeep definitely had wide thread tyres favouring mud and sand. They would by abysmal in snow, on any car.
William Todd at 9:00 the Subaru driver stopped at the bottom and made it up the hill without momentum. The Subaru is just a better vehicle in the snow. This video is proof
summary: jackass in jeep using the wrong drive setting and crappy tires gets high-centered repeatedly until a mound getting compacted down and dug out enough that a random scooby with a better driver rolls over it like nothing. Conclusion; if you don't know what you're doing the best 4wd system on earth isn't going to save you in a heavy suv that you didn't prepare for the conditions.
Had quadra-track jeep some time ago and got stuck in the middle of Lake District on Old Coach road - a guy in Landie gave me a helping hand :-) On a lookout for Subaru now :-)
William Todd then give credit to the Subaru driver. Stop making excuses as to why the Jeep didn't make it..good grief. Everyone says 4WD is better until an AWD beats it then it's driver error and bad tires, Excuses excuses...number 1, the Subaru just did better due to the driver hitting it at a better angle, which the Jeep driver couldn't even get over there and was clear when he was spinning and moving sideways, and number 2, a better AWD system...I've seen several videos of a Subaru doing better in the snow than a lot of GC's. It is what it is...my parents had A 95 and good tires and still didn't do better pushing snow to our mid bumper than my friggin RAV4! That's no joke at all. I've made a lot of people a believer in my two RAV4'S. Their 08 Sequoia puts the Jeep to shame in the snow! Absolutely night and day difference. I don't care what your reply is because my mind is made up and I've witnessed all of this firsthand 😄😄😄
No need to give credit to someone who'd driving the right way. When you know how to drive that means you are doing your job as a driver. Wondered about the newer Rav4's. Was going to buy one but didn't know how they'd do in deep snow...say like 2'+ for months on end.
@@stephenmartin5766No, that Jeep is either 1) AWD fulltime or 2) 4x4 without lockers 3) 1 or 2 with a traction control ... in this video the Jeep doesn't 4x4 lo engaged, but the subaru is much lighter with the awd with traction control, so that makes it better until there is actually deep snow or where articulation is needed, then the jeep wins, you can watch an old XJ walk in awd high vs the new AWD subaru when articulation is needed on the TFL channels
This was not a Jeep with QUADRA-TRAC II® 4x4 SYSTEM or the driver kept using 4x4 HIGH and not low like he should have in snow (wheels were going WAY to fast). THE COMPUTER system in the low mode detects slip and provides power to those with most traction and would have equal or bested the Subaru. GO TO THE PRO sites and check it out. Not some easy to fake video like this. THE difference??? Subaru comes standard with a great awd system on most of its cars. You have to pay for the top 2 systems in the Cherokee (There are 4 offered).
You must mean Quadra-Drive. Quadra-Trac is just full time 4WD with low range, Quadra-Drive gives you limited slip differentials...at least in the earlier models it did, newer models only give you limited slip rear differential. This is a Jeep Grand Cherokee late 90's early 00's model before the major overhaul by Fiat. So the GC in this video would have either had quadra-trac, quadra-drive, or selec-trac. By this time they had dropped command-trac. I just printed off the list of 4WD systems that Jeep has had over the years, they've had 16 different systems LOL...no wonder people get confused. Subaru went AWD because it is an extremely simple system since the driver does nothing at all the sensors do all the work no levers, buttons, switches, knobs, etc. Just get in and drive. The Quadra-Drive option is great, if you can find one that hasn't been beat to hell which is the case most of the time unfortunately people just don't take care of stuff. I spent a year looking for my current 98 GC with selec-trac 4WD and its in excellent condition almost show room condition with the exception of 2 rock chips in the hood and scratches in the rear bumper. I'm not as familiar with the new Subarus other than they're all AWD now, the only Subaru I've ever driven was an 88 4x4 Wagon, back when Subaru used a real 4WD system with both high and low range dang those things would go anywhere, course they also had more ground clearance than today's vehicles do :(. Don't get me wrong Subarus are good...well their automatic/CVT transmissions are garbage but their manual transmission equipped cars are great.
@@wildbill23c "A notable feature available in this generation was the automatic four wheel drive option called Quadra-Drive, which employed the New Venture Gear NV247 transfer case. This two-speed chain-driven transfer case uses a gerotor, a clutch pack coupled to a hydraulic pump, to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. The transfer case contains three modes, 4-All Time, Neutral, and 4-Lo. In 4-All Time, 100% of torque is sent to the rear axle in normal conditions. If the rear axle starts spinning at a higher rate than the front axle, hydraulic pressure builds up in the gerotor and causes the clutch pack to progressively transfer torque to the front axle until both axles return to the same speed. Neutral mode is intended for towing the vehicle. In 4-Lo, the front and rear axles are locked together through a 2.72 reduction gear ratio. The NV247 transfer case is mated to front and rear axles containing Jeep's Vari-Lok differentials. Vari-Lok differentials also use a gerotor to transfer torque between the wheels on either side of the axle. The major advantage of Quadra-Drive was that the combined transfer case and progressive locking differentials in each axle could automatically control traction between all four wheels. However, only the center differential could be permanently locked, and only in 4Lo. The Quadra-Trac II system included the NV247 transfer case with the standard open front and rear differentials." - Wikipedia But not all WJ's had the Quadra-Drive, but it doesn't even look like this driver engaged 4x4 move, he was jus tin the 1 wheel mode called 4x4 hi whch is just when one rear wheel turns until it spins then one front wheel spins to help out... in the 4x4 lo one wheel in the front and back are spinning at all times... then if you push the brakes all 4 wheels will spin for a short time... then if you have quadra-drive then you start with 1 wheel in the back and 1 in the front and if any wheels spins then wheel on the other side will spin to try to help out... it's complicated but again this driver didn't even turn on 4x4. In the snow the lighter vehicle has the advantage, but the Jeep WJ here isn't very heavy, but is heavier than the subaru.
Still Waiting on that Subaru to show up....That Suzuki Vitara/Sidekick/grandwhatever did amazingly though! Jeep needs meatier tires to support the almost 2x wait it has on the Suzuki beastlet. Please give credit where its due. Suzuki for the win!
jeep didnt engage 4x4, it was running in the awd hi setting, with the 4x4 lo engaged the drive can press the brake to emulate lockers, that model jeep also came with a traction control which is one of the best
Based on what i just watched in this video, it is not a subaru vs anything. Its a jeep tranching around with the gas pedal floored not knowing how to use the 4wd system even in the least bit.a suzuki do some random stuff and then a subaru do all the same stuff the other 2 cars did.
That was not a forester... it was a Suzuki Grand Vitara :) Bullshit Video And yes my Suzuki would beat a forester. easily Then the superboob showed up at the end of the video
claudepgh look asswipe if you don't know what your own vehicle looks like you're beyond help. Go back to sleep and keep dreaming about your Suzuki trying to make it up that hill!
sTinker1148: AKA dumba$$ :) Im coming by with the shortbus for your drooling helmet wearing a$$. You are dumber than a bag of hammers in a glass house. Pull your underware off your head long enough to take a look and leave the stain in the back not where you have to look through it :) The Suzuki showed up at about 1:50 in that video driving around. Suzuki Vitara 2000ish Euro model. The Subaru showed up at 7:30 in the video all sliver. Notice how much longer it is than the Vitara? At 8:40 the Forester was spinning around where the Jeep and Vitara beat down the snow. The reason for the spinning was no winter tires on the subaru. Subaru clutch system is good at directing power to certain wheels... but not a very heavy duty setup... you could not do this every day. Yes they are a really road manorly AWD with few bad habits... but you haven't driven many 4x4 vehicles or know how to recognize them out doing their thing or you would have not thought a suzuki was a forester. Subaru is a light duty every day grocery getter and nothing more. Good on gas and good in snow on roads. If you are doing anything else, you need a real truck for pulling hauling and real work. Yes I own quite a few 4x4's and was in the auto service business for many years. Have fun driving your mothers subaru... but when you break it... you will have to get a real job at the convenience store to pay for the repairs :)
quadra-drive ის გარეშე პარკეტის ჯიპივით იქცევა ყველა jeep , ნუ საბურავების ბრლიც არის . მე მყავს wj quadra-drive ით და ამაზე უარეს სიტუაციაში ბევრად კარგად იქცეოდა .
Yeah i dare anyone to pull that off in a new Subaru. Your Evap system will chug and start causing a slew of problems. Deep enough snow, salty roads will cause the Evap problems all over the place and thats a $400 fix. Its where they put the stupid thing that is really the problem also
The Subaru obviously didn't go up the hill from the same location the others were trying to, it came up from another direction, otherwise it would have had the same issue...99% of the time the driver is the problem not the vehicle, the other 1% is the wrong tires for the application...This time they needed someone in the vehicles that knew how to drive otherwise they wouldn't have had that issue. Whoever was driving the Subaru obviously has been driving in snow for a few years, the others well probably came from southern California where snow is pretty rare.
The idiots in the video have no business driving anywhere in snow...I've had my Jeep in far worse conditions than that and didn't have any trouble at all with all season tires. Typical city kids that have no business driving anything period.
The Jeep is the original... although I really like the transfer case in many of the jeeps. It will do AWD called full time and locked called part time as well as low range. Really great setup... I liked the Subaru for the woman... its easy for her to drive and handle in anything. Keep making good videos.
Not if you don't know how to drive...the vehicle has nothing to do with it, lack of driving skill and terrible tires for the conditions is what causes the problems LOL. The Rubicons are quite fun, not worth what Fiat charges for them, but they are fun.
jeep cars arent that good, they just have powerfull engines, nice looks and a luxury inside, but mechanics are poor, that is why they depreciate so fast. any japanesse brand has better mechanics than any jeep (or other american car), and specially the best japanesse car makers like subaru and mitsubishi
Jose Ignacio Salamanca lol. u ever owned a 4.0 4x4 Jeep Grand Cherokee? the engines arent powerful by any means but produce alot of torque and with the right driver this Jeep could've probably equaled the Subi. plus this Jeep is Selec-Trac, the ones with Quadra-Track could've fairly easily equaled or beat the Subi, mind u that the Jeep is just under 4k pounds...
Never owned, but drived a couple of times. May be im wrong, but I hardly believe it, and well japanesse mechanics and specially subarus tend to have enormous reliability. You see a Jeep and in 5 years its like in half the price, and a Subaru will be in half the price in 8-10 years. Quality controls are in general much better in Japan than in any other place.
Jose Ignacio Salamanca they are great don't get me wrong and yes the Subi probably would outlast the Jeep. i was just saying both are great despite depreciation. BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and Volvo all also depreciate quickly. the 4.0 is very reliable. both are great cars but this video does not accurately reflect the Jeeps true capabilities
Jeeps still hold their resale value very well. I bought my Wrangler brand new for 33,000 and 4 years later sold it for 19000 considering I had to replace the engine at 65000 miles because it burned oil like crazy then blew up. I bought a Subaru after 😁 great car and honestly handles snow much better than my jeep did.
The Subaru may last as long as a Jeep if you didn't get the automatic transmission in the Subaru their automatic transmissions are not that good ask any transmission shop...although they love seeing them come in for repairs LOL. The Jeep isn't exactly powerful, the engines are made to work, not for racing, therefore they have a lot of low end torque to easily and quickly get them moving from a stop but if you take care of them they'll run for many hundreds of thousands of miles...my 96 JGC 4x4 is still running around the valley with over 500k on it, and only thing somewhat major was the transfer case was rebuilt 2 years ago. I can't say much for the newer Jeeps though, I haven't owned one newer than my current 98 JGC 4x4. Quality has gone downhill for sure on them since 2004 when Fiat got their hands in them. If I had to buy a new vehicle today though, it would most likely be the new Subaru Ascent. Although brand new vehicle in the Subaru lineup, it sounds like it may be a good competitor to the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ford Explorer but at about 1/2 the cost...yikes!! The same equipped Jeep Grand Cherokee that I have now would be over $55k today if I were to buy a new one ouch!!!! and to think that in a couple years you could pick one up for probably $20k or less.
My only comment is I have pulled many a Subaru from the mud, sand, snow etc with my WJ Jeep, but have never had my Jeep pulled from anything by a Subaru, mainly because a Subaru could not make it back to where I go.
Show me one Subaru in Rubicon, Moab, any rocky trail in Arizona or anywhere for that matter and I will concede. Hell, show me ONE with bigger tires then 29". Until then I stand by what I claim, that a Subaru cannot and will not go to where I do regularly with my Jeep.
@@charliedee9276 there are only a million you tube videos that prove you wrong. There are Subaru's out there that put jeeps and other "real" 4x4's to shame. I've seen plenty of videos with Subaru pulling out stuck jeeps as well.
@@jamesmeadrs9309 A million? Really? Wow, that's a lot. Of those million show me ONE where there is a Subaru on a real trail, a front and rear locker required 35" minimum tire trail. Of those million finding one should be easy, right?
@@charliedee9276 (this accounts daughter) bro you realize it's a figure of speech? Although there might not be a million you never know, I'm only 11 and it sounds like YOU need to grow up, not me.
How would you know that? And...Quadra-Trac and Quadra-Drive aren't AWD...they are full time 4WD with low range which the Subarus lack. The difference between Quadra-Drive and Quadra-Trac is the Quadra-Drive (not a very common option) gives you front and rear limited slip differentials otherwise the transfer cases are internally the same. Selec-Trac is a totally different system and gives you 2WD, 4WD Part Time high range, and 4WD Full Time high range, and Low Range....and all 3 systems give you neutral so you can flat tow them behind another vehicle something that many vehicles aren't capable of including Subaru.
Not a forester at all. Its absolutely a suzuki grand vitara. I am and have been a subaru owner for almost 20 years. I love subaru dont get me wrong but, change your title. If the jeep was in 4 low and driving/maneuvering correctly, he would likely do just as well or better.
So funny how all these guys are making excuses for the Jeep . Hate to burst your bubble but the Forester had no hood scoop which means it wasn’t turbo just a plain old 2.5L 4 cylinder which also means it was the lower end model. So if you need a top of the line Jeep to compete with a base model Subaru I feel bad for you. The second most used excuse seems to be tires . It seems fair to assume the Subaru is probably running the stock all seasons they come with based on the stock rims. So to clarify a base model Subaru with a 4 cylinder is out performing a v6 Jeep with 4x4 , off road tires , better ground clearance ...... ha ha ha
Bad driver, pretty simple explanation. A friend of mine had an 87 Subaru GL 4x4 Wagon we took hunting one year, we were pushing snow over the hood of it and had 4 donut spare tires on it because my friend was too cheap to go buy tires LOL. They're pretty capable. Jeeps are great too, but like any vehicle you have to have the right driver in it, otherwise it'll get stuck pretty easily. Doesn't matter what badge if you have a horrible driver they'll get nowhere fast in snow.
if you know anything about jeeps, you would say the driver is to blame for not knowing how to use the jeeps system, otherwise you know nothing about them
this is so fake test; this jeep is not locking its diffs; must be base model ; dont see quadra drive here; also its the tires that fail on the jeep not the drive train system.
it's a shame that Jeep needs to have 15 different drive systems to get one that actually works in snow. most people expect to have that capability when they buy an AWD vehicle.
Gregarious Solitudinist jeep isn't awd dumbass. 4x4 big difference. Jeep with Quadra-Trac is what this guy needed, that's the AWD ones like the overland. and Jeep has 1 4x4 and 1 awd system at any time....not 15. learn a bit more next time before u start talking about shit u dont know
tiredrummertube butthurt jeep won’t accept its the suv in the video is a Jeep. Doesn’t matter what model. Take the base model Subaru and base model Jeep. Don’t cry jeep guy. It happened.
lmberish first off that's not a forester dumbass. Second of all I own a WJ and haven't had problems with it at all. Where I live all you see is jeeps in the winter snow. Please watch what you say before you get your ass handed to you.
@@mamukachkuaselidze2083 M+S ნაგავია ზამთარში, ზამთრისები უნდა ეყენოს , ბლიზაკები ან ნოკიანი ხაკაპოლიტა. ასევე სუბარუ მსუბუქია გრანდზე და ეგეც გასათვალისწინებელია .
well, the Grand loosened the snow for the wimpy subipoo.. lol. i could hear the jeep shifting. he had it in high. need low for that. also that sub has limited slip as that jeep has a dana 35 axle w a nv242 transfer case. jeep could have done better with wheelbase as the cherokee is too long for a 4wd carrying the jeep legacy. now a limited slip differential set up like quadradrive would have gone up the hill. driver didnt seem to know what to do either. im no expert but that subapoo driver did a better drive job.
i have a wj with good winter tires(and quadradrive good condition) and a crapy suzuki vitara with mud tires. Tested on a similar condition like in this clip and suzi managed better without digging to mud wich supprised me. I gues was the 1tone weigth difference since jeep is about 2t and vitara is almost 1t.
I've been through far worse with a 96 GC and Quadra-Trac, its all in knowing how to drive and having a good set of tires. If you can't drive worth shit it don't matter what vehicle you have or what tires you have.
Not buying all this, had 1997 Grand Cherokee with select trac and it would plow tough with all 4 wheels truning, was that a V8 or a jeep with qurdro track, that's for soccer moms, junk.
Dennis Mutuma yes you do know Subaru is the best damn car. And you also know people should know how to speak and write English correctly before making insulting comments.
Subaru quit making good cars in the late 80's when they got rid of the real 4WD system. Never saw a Subaru all winter 2 winters ago because the snow was too deep, unless you had a real 4WD you weren't going anywhere, those cute little AWD systems are useless in anything but a few inches of snow significantly related to the idiot driver and the lack of ground clearance in today's vehicles.
Subaru didn't even go up the same spot the idiot was trying to go in the Jeep, the Subaru came in from a different angle across the hill instead of trying to drive straight up the hill. It would help if they had people that knew how to drive.
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The jeep wj is a better offroad vichel. thats a fact. this vidoe proves nothing. it is all about grip, something the jeep didnt have because it was using mud tiers. and the jeep didnt even use low gear ( quadra drive ) + the driver is useless
That was not a Subaru... it was a Suzuki Grand Vitara. Bullshit Video And yes my Suzuki would beat a forester. easily Then the superboob showed up at the end of the video
"A notable feature available in this generation was the automatic four wheel drive option called Quadra-Drive, which employed the New Venture Gear NV247 transfer case. This two-speed chain-driven transfer case uses a gerotor, a clutch pack coupled to a hydraulic pump, to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. The transfer case contains three modes, 4-All Time, Neutral, and 4-Lo. In 4-All Time, 100% of torque is sent to the rear axle in normal conditions. If the rear axle starts spinning at a higher rate than the front axle, hydraulic pressure builds up in the gerotor and causes the clutch pack to progressively transfer torque to the front axle until both axles return to the same speed. Neutral mode is intended for towing the vehicle. In 4-Lo, the front and rear axles are locked together through a 2.72 reduction gear ratio. The NV247 transfer case is mated to front and rear axles containing Jeep's Vari-Lok differentials. Vari-Lok differentials also use a gerotor to transfer torque between the wheels on either side of the axle. The major advantage of Quadra-Drive was that the combined transfer case and progressive locking differentials in each axle could automatically control traction between all four wheels. However, only the center differential could be permanently locked, and only in 4Lo. The Quadra-Trac II system included the NV247 transfer case with the standard open front and rear differentials." - Wikipedia
But not all WJ's had the Quadra-Drive, but it doesn't even look like this driver engaged 4x4 move, he was jus tin the 1 wheel mode called 4x4 hi whch is just when one rear wheel turns until it spins then one front wheel spins to help out... in the 4x4 lo one wheel in the front and back are spinning at all times... then if you push the brakes all 4 wheels will spin for a short time... then if you have quadra-drive then you start with 1 wheel in the back and 1 in the front and if any wheels spins then wheel on the other side will spin to try to help out... it's complicated but again this driver didn't even turn on 4x4. In the snow the lighter vehicle has the advantage, but the Jeep WJ here isn't very heavy, but is heavier than the subaru.
It helps that the jeep goes into the hole and the subarat goes around. But I think the point was to get stuck and get out not to avoid getting stuck.
I have my Subaru Forester and is really good car for everything
Just to be clear cause quite a few of you are confused. The Jeep as stated is 4x4 meaning either "selectrac" ( 242 transfer case, brake locking diffs), or "Quadra trac 2" ( 247 TC BLD). Now if that jeep had Quadra Drive (247 TC hydra-lok axles), like my wj does, it would have walked all over that and been wondering where's the challenge. Especially with the proper tires. Gotta love that Subaru though. And another note Subaru symmetrical awd is essentially QD. Slightly different though, QD is normally rwd and the fronts kick in when needed, Subaru is opposite. One thing that makes QD unique is the gerotor couplers in the diffs and one in the 247, as oppose to viscous couplers normally used in such applications. Look it up if you don't know. Not sure which system came first, but both seem to be great I can only attest to one. If you notice, pretty much any good electronically controlled awd system theses days or at least for a good 10yrs after QD was scrapped for QD 2 on the wk, is pretty much mimicking these two systems.
This one is all about traction in the snow - not much of a test of 4WD or AWD ability. The biggest contributing factor are tyres. The Jeep definitely had wide thread tyres favouring mud and sand. They would by abysmal in snow, on any car.
I think the center diff lock in the Jeep was not working
The driver is 99% of the problem in all cases.
The driver was the problem.
William Todd at 9:00 the Subaru driver stopped at the bottom and made it up the hill without momentum. The Subaru is just a better vehicle in the snow. This video is proof
summary: jackass in jeep using the wrong drive setting and crappy tires gets high-centered repeatedly until a mound getting compacted down and dug out enough that a random scooby with a better driver rolls over it like nothing. Conclusion; if you don't know what you're doing the best 4wd system on earth isn't going to save you in a heavy suv that you didn't prepare for the conditions.
I like how the little Suzuki crawled threw with no drama !
*through
Well... how to compare jeep to subaru if 90% of video is focusing on the gc
Had quadra-track jeep some time ago and got stuck in the middle of Lake District on Old Coach road - a guy in Landie gave me a helping hand :-) On a lookout for Subaru now :-)
Once again, a Sub' never lose.
Субару лёгкий , а этому танку..чероки... гусеницы нужны
Две тонны WJ , Субару сколь? Да походу там резина лето.
Did the Jeep have AWD & snow tires
mehine2 nope on the first for sure lol. Jeep was 4x4 and Subi was AWD
4WD and a moron driver.
William Todd then give credit to the Subaru driver. Stop making excuses as to why the Jeep didn't make it..good grief. Everyone says 4WD is better until an AWD beats it then it's driver error and bad tires, Excuses excuses...number 1, the Subaru just did better due to the driver hitting it at a better angle, which the Jeep driver couldn't even get over there and was clear when he was spinning and moving sideways, and number 2, a better AWD system...I've seen several videos of a Subaru doing better in the snow than a lot of GC's. It is what it is...my parents had A 95 and good tires and still didn't do better pushing snow to our mid bumper than my friggin RAV4! That's no joke at all. I've made a lot of people a believer in my two RAV4'S. Their 08 Sequoia puts the Jeep to shame in the snow! Absolutely night and day difference. I don't care what your reply is because my mind is made up and I've witnessed all of this firsthand 😄😄😄
No need to give credit to someone who'd driving the right way. When you know how to drive that means you are doing your job as a driver.
Wondered about the newer Rav4's. Was going to buy one but didn't know how they'd do in deep snow...say like 2'+ for months on end.
@@stephenmartin5766No, that Jeep is either 1) AWD fulltime or 2) 4x4 without lockers 3) 1 or 2 with a traction control ... in this video the Jeep doesn't 4x4 lo engaged, but the subaru is much lighter with the awd with traction control, so that makes it better until there is actually deep snow or where articulation is needed, then the jeep wins, you can watch an old XJ walk in awd high vs the new AWD subaru when articulation is needed on the TFL channels
One of those cars has better tires. I wonder which one?
Need to compare with same driver and same tires. As is this means nothing. Fun to watch though :)
Better driver in the Subaru. Got to keep momentum.
The tires they are using are not for snow... mine travels real good in snow and ice.
This was not a Jeep with QUADRA-TRAC II® 4x4 SYSTEM or the driver kept using 4x4 HIGH and not low like he should have in snow (wheels were going WAY to fast). THE COMPUTER system in the low mode detects slip and provides power to those with most traction and would have equal or bested the Subaru. GO TO THE PRO sites and check it out. Not some easy to fake video like this. THE difference??? Subaru comes standard with a great awd system on most of its cars. You have to pay for the top 2 systems in the Cherokee (There are 4 offered).
You must mean Quadra-Drive. Quadra-Trac is just full time 4WD with low range, Quadra-Drive gives you limited slip differentials...at least in the earlier models it did, newer models only give you limited slip rear differential.
This is a Jeep Grand Cherokee late 90's early 00's model before the major overhaul by Fiat. So the GC in this video would have either had quadra-trac, quadra-drive, or selec-trac. By this time they had dropped command-trac. I just printed off the list of 4WD systems that Jeep has had over the years, they've had 16 different systems LOL...no wonder people get confused. Subaru went AWD because it is an extremely simple system since the driver does nothing at all the sensors do all the work no levers, buttons, switches, knobs, etc. Just get in and drive.
The Quadra-Drive option is great, if you can find one that hasn't been beat to hell which is the case most of the time unfortunately people just don't take care of stuff. I spent a year looking for my current 98 GC with selec-trac 4WD and its in excellent condition almost show room condition with the exception of 2 rock chips in the hood and scratches in the rear bumper.
I'm not as familiar with the new Subarus other than they're all AWD now, the only Subaru I've ever driven was an 88 4x4 Wagon, back when Subaru used a real 4WD system with both high and low range dang those things would go anywhere, course they also had more ground clearance than today's vehicles do :(. Don't get me wrong Subarus are good...well their automatic/CVT transmissions are garbage but their manual transmission equipped cars are great.
i know right..something is fishy here..that jeep is better than the subaru yet the dummy behind the wheel doesnt know how to use it
@@wildbill23c "A notable feature available in this generation was the automatic four wheel drive option called Quadra-Drive, which employed the New Venture Gear NV247 transfer case. This two-speed chain-driven transfer case uses a gerotor, a clutch pack coupled to a hydraulic pump, to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. The transfer case contains three modes, 4-All Time, Neutral, and 4-Lo. In 4-All Time, 100% of torque is sent to the rear axle in normal conditions. If the rear axle starts spinning at a higher rate than the front axle, hydraulic pressure builds up in the gerotor and causes the clutch pack to progressively transfer torque to the front axle until both axles return to the same speed. Neutral mode is intended for towing the vehicle. In 4-Lo, the front and rear axles are locked together through a 2.72 reduction gear ratio. The NV247 transfer case is mated to front and rear axles containing Jeep's Vari-Lok differentials. Vari-Lok differentials also use a gerotor to transfer torque between the wheels on either side of the axle. The major advantage of Quadra-Drive was that the combined transfer case and progressive locking differentials in each axle could automatically control traction between all four wheels. However, only the center differential could be permanently locked, and only in 4Lo. The Quadra-Trac II system included the NV247 transfer case with the standard open front and rear differentials." - Wikipedia
But not all WJ's had the Quadra-Drive, but it doesn't even look like this driver engaged 4x4 move, he was jus tin the 1 wheel mode called 4x4 hi whch is just when one rear wheel turns until it spins then one front wheel spins to help out... in the 4x4 lo one wheel in the front and back are spinning at all times... then if you push the brakes all 4 wheels will spin for a short time... then if you have quadra-drive then you start with 1 wheel in the back and 1 in the front and if any wheels spins then wheel on the other side will spin to try to help out... it's complicated but again this driver didn't even turn on 4x4. In the snow the lighter vehicle has the advantage, but the Jeep WJ here isn't very heavy, but is heavier than the subaru.
Still Waiting on that Subaru to show up....That Suzuki Vitara/Sidekick/grandwhatever did amazingly though! Jeep needs meatier tires to support the almost 2x wait it has on the Suzuki beastlet. Please give credit where its due. Suzuki for the win!
James Grandone the Subaru showed up near the end. Didn't you watch or don't you know what a Subaru Forester looks like?
jeep didnt engage 4x4, it was running in the awd hi setting, with the 4x4 lo engaged the drive can press the brake to emulate lockers, that model jeep also came with a traction control which is one of the best
The Jeep is great if you are willing to drive backwards.
Based on what i just watched in this video, it is not a subaru vs anything. Its a jeep tranching around with the gas pedal floored not knowing how to use the 4wd system even in the least bit.a suzuki do some random stuff and then a subaru do all the same stuff the other 2 cars did.
The Subaru soon got tired of playing with this Jeep FOOL. LOL
Yah, the first car was a Suzuki.
That's awesome! Forester FTW!!!
That was not a forester... it was a Suzuki Grand Vitara :)
Bullshit Video
And yes my Suzuki would beat a forester. easily
Then the superboob showed up at the end of the video
You are obviously blind. That is clearly a Forester and they are awesome!
claudepgh look asswipe if you don't know what your own vehicle looks like you're beyond help. Go back to sleep and keep dreaming about your Suzuki trying to make it up that hill!
sTinker1148: AKA dumba$$ :) Im coming by with the shortbus for your drooling helmet wearing a$$. You are dumber than a bag of hammers in a glass house. Pull your underware off your head long enough to take a look and leave the stain in the back not where you have to look through it :)
The Suzuki showed up at about 1:50 in that video driving around. Suzuki Vitara 2000ish Euro model.
The Subaru showed up at 7:30 in the video all sliver. Notice how much longer it is than the Vitara?
At 8:40 the Forester was spinning around where the Jeep and Vitara beat down the snow.
The reason for the spinning was no winter tires on the subaru. Subaru clutch system is good at directing power to certain wheels... but not a very heavy duty setup... you could not do this every day.
Yes they are a really road manorly AWD with few bad habits... but you haven't driven many 4x4 vehicles or know how to recognize them out doing their thing or you would have not thought a suzuki was a forester.
Subaru is a light duty every day grocery getter and nothing more. Good on gas and good in snow on roads.
If you are doing anything else, you need a real truck for pulling hauling and real work.
Yes I own quite a few 4x4's and was in the auto service business for many years.
Have fun driving your mothers subaru... but when you break it... you will have to get a real job at the convenience store to pay for the repairs :)
And the Forester made it up the hill and the Suzuki didn't even try. You are a waste of time, space, and oxygen. Last reply. Bye bye.
This was all about the tires, nothing more.
Actually all about the driver.
quadra-drive ის გარეშე პარკეტის ჯიპივით იქცევა ყველა jeep , ნუ საბურავების ბრლიც არის . მე მყავს wj quadra-drive ით და ამაზე უარეს სიტუაციაში ბევრად კარგად იქცეოდა .
This means absolutely nothing. The Subaru could have been wearing snow tires and the Jeep was probably on worn out street tires...
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Yeah i dare anyone to pull that off in a new Subaru. Your Evap system will chug and start causing a slew of problems. Deep enough snow, salty roads will cause the Evap problems all over the place and thats a $400 fix. Its where they put the stupid thing that is really the problem also
Where's the Subaru? I see a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Suzuki Grand Vitara.
finally! Thank you
The Subaru doesn't show up until after 7:40 in the video. Around 8:30 in the video it goes up the hill that the Jeep keeps getting stuck at.
The Subaru obviously didn't go up the hill from the same location the others were trying to, it came up from another direction, otherwise it would have had the same issue...99% of the time the driver is the problem not the vehicle, the other 1% is the wrong tires for the application...This time they needed someone in the vehicles that knew how to drive otherwise they wouldn't have had that issue. Whoever was driving the Subaru obviously has been driving in snow for a few years, the others well probably came from southern California where snow is pretty rare.
The idiots in the video have no business driving anywhere in snow...I've had my Jeep in far worse conditions than that and didn't have any trouble at all with all season tires. Typical city kids that have no business driving anything period.
The Subaru came from a different direction, and the idiot driving the Jeep doesn't know how to drive.
its all about driver not car
In this case both
don't forget the TIRES
jeep is 4x4 not avd a Subaru is a mechanical amplification
The Jeep is the original...
although I really like the transfer case in many of the jeeps.
It will do AWD called full time and locked called part time as well as low range.
Really great setup...
I liked the Subaru for the woman... its easy for her to drive and handle in anything.
Keep making good videos.
mamuka chkuaselidze e
this is like top gear going out of their way to stage an event to make american cars look bad.
I'll put my jeep Rubicon up against both of those, I'll bet I'll win
Kevin Wilson only 35000
Not if you don't know how to drive...the vehicle has nothing to do with it, lack of driving skill and terrible tires for the conditions is what causes the problems LOL. The Rubicons are quite fun, not worth what Fiat charges for them, but they are fun.
Really? Because I just saw a you tube video of a jeep Rubicon getting stuck and a Subaru flying past him.
that Jeep would of easily got up there bad driver
jeep cars arent that good, they just have powerfull engines, nice looks and a luxury inside, but mechanics are poor, that is why they depreciate so fast. any japanesse brand has better mechanics than any jeep (or other american car), and specially the best japanesse car makers like subaru and mitsubishi
Jose Ignacio Salamanca lol. u ever owned a 4.0 4x4 Jeep Grand Cherokee? the engines arent powerful by any means but produce alot of torque and with the right driver this Jeep could've probably equaled the Subi. plus this Jeep is Selec-Trac, the ones with Quadra-Track could've fairly easily equaled or beat the Subi, mind u that the Jeep is just under 4k pounds...
Never owned, but drived a couple of times. May be im wrong, but I hardly believe it, and well japanesse mechanics and specially subarus tend to have enormous reliability. You see a Jeep and in 5 years its like in half the price, and a Subaru will be in half the price in 8-10 years. Quality controls are in general much better in Japan than in any other place.
Jose Ignacio Salamanca they are great don't get me wrong and yes the Subi probably would outlast the Jeep. i was just saying both are great despite depreciation. BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and Volvo all also depreciate quickly. the 4.0 is very reliable. both are great cars but this video does not accurately reflect the Jeeps true capabilities
Jeeps still hold their resale value very well. I bought my Wrangler brand new for 33,000 and 4 years later sold it for 19000 considering I had to replace the engine at 65000 miles because it burned oil like crazy then blew up. I bought a Subaru after 😁 great car and honestly handles snow much better than my jeep did.
The Subaru may last as long as a Jeep if you didn't get the automatic transmission in the Subaru their automatic transmissions are not that good ask any transmission shop...although they love seeing them come in for repairs LOL.
The Jeep isn't exactly powerful, the engines are made to work, not for racing, therefore they have a lot of low end torque to easily and quickly get them moving from a stop but if you take care of them they'll run for many hundreds of thousands of miles...my 96 JGC 4x4 is still running around the valley with over 500k on it, and only thing somewhat major was the transfer case was rebuilt 2 years ago.
I can't say much for the newer Jeeps though, I haven't owned one newer than my current 98 JGC 4x4. Quality has gone downhill for sure on them since 2004 when Fiat got their hands in them.
If I had to buy a new vehicle today though, it would most likely be the new Subaru Ascent. Although brand new vehicle in the Subaru lineup, it sounds like it may be a good competitor to the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ford Explorer but at about 1/2 the cost...yikes!! The same equipped Jeep Grand Cherokee that I have now would be over $55k today if I were to buy a new one ouch!!!! and to think that in a couple years you could pick one up for probably $20k or less.
Jesus, How cold was there?
Subaru very like
+1 for the subaru
Wrong tires ...OBVIOUS !!!
My only comment is I have pulled many a Subaru from the mud, sand, snow etc with my WJ Jeep, but have never had my Jeep pulled from anything by a Subaru, mainly because a Subaru could not make it back to where I go.
charlie dee lies
Show me one Subaru in Rubicon, Moab, any rocky trail in Arizona or anywhere for that matter and I will concede. Hell, show me ONE with bigger tires then 29". Until then I stand by what I claim, that a Subaru cannot and will not go to where I do regularly with my Jeep.
@@charliedee9276 there are only a million you tube videos that prove you wrong. There are Subaru's out there that put jeeps and other "real" 4x4's to shame. I've seen plenty of videos with Subaru pulling out stuck jeeps as well.
@@jamesmeadrs9309 A million? Really? Wow, that's a lot. Of those million show me ONE where there is a Subaru on a real trail, a front and rear locker required 35" minimum tire trail. Of those million finding one should be easy, right?
@@charliedee9276 (this accounts daughter) bro you realize it's a figure of speech? Although there might not be a million you never know, I'm only 11 and it sounds like YOU need to grow up, not me.
This should be titled, snow tires vs all season tires.
Subaru went around not taking same path
Suzuki samurai, and my subie will do donuts round that Jeep.
This must be QuadraTrac not QuadraDrive.
Borislav Stoikov no. the Jeep in this video is Selec-Track. 4x4 not AWD
How would you know that? And...Quadra-Trac and Quadra-Drive aren't AWD...they are full time 4WD with low range which the Subarus lack. The difference between Quadra-Drive and Quadra-Trac is the Quadra-Drive (not a very common option) gives you front and rear limited slip differentials otherwise the transfer cases are internally the same. Selec-Trac is a totally different system and gives you 2WD, 4WD Part Time high range, and 4WD Full Time high range, and Low Range....and all 3 systems give you neutral so you can flat tow them behind another vehicle something that many vehicles aren't capable of including Subaru.
Before you can compare a Subaru to a Jeep, you have to use a Subaru
Forester showed up at 7:30
hold on with these tight tires if that subaru hits me 255/70 r18 rims wrangler jk
Not a forester at all. Its absolutely a suzuki grand vitara. I am and have been a subaru owner for almost 20 years. I love subaru dont get me wrong but, change your title. If the jeep was in 4 low and driving/maneuvering correctly, he would likely do just as well or better.
There are 3 vehicles Jeep, Suzuki and a Subaru!
So funny how all these guys are making excuses for the Jeep . Hate to burst your bubble but the Forester had no hood scoop which means it wasn’t turbo just a plain old 2.5L 4 cylinder which also means it was the lower end model. So if you need a top of the line Jeep to compete with a base model Subaru I feel bad for you. The second most used excuse seems to be tires . It seems fair to assume the Subaru is probably running the stock all seasons they come with based on the stock rims. So to clarify a base model Subaru with a 4 cylinder is out performing a v6 Jeep with 4x4 , off road tires , better ground clearance ...... ha ha ha
Bad driver, pretty simple explanation. A friend of mine had an 87 Subaru GL 4x4 Wagon we took hunting one year, we were pushing snow over the hood of it and had 4 donut spare tires on it because my friend was too cheap to go buy tires LOL. They're pretty capable. Jeeps are great too, but like any vehicle you have to have the right driver in it, otherwise it'll get stuck pretty easily. Doesn't matter what badge if you have a horrible driver they'll get nowhere fast in snow.
As stated not a Subaru, but that just makes it more embarrassing
Turbo has nothing to do with it, terrible driver in the Jeep is the problem....and the Jeep is a straight 6 not a V6.
if you know anything about jeeps, you would say the driver is to blame for not knowing how to use the jeeps system, otherwise you know nothing about them
Full time aq chartuli da imito, an par time an lo chartet cherokze da.... Full time mofsmulzec ibuqsavebs :D
kvelaferi scada
mamuka chkuaselidze aba mashin saburavebi ki chans rac aq :D
Какой же это субару,витара бл биджо
Jeep owners = Bought on hype, not substance. Caveat Emptor.
Actuall jeep owner here, i bought it because of what it is and what it does, the tires, the lift, the rock solid motor and the amazing overall jeep
not even a forester or subaru pfff 😑
Skifte av register på Fiat diesel 75 HK.mod 1991
Need better tires on Jeep
Change the title this is a suzuki
subaru is best ever
Чироки не эго машина, пусть на део Матиз эздит
At the end is Subaru
a 30s video could show the same.
This is not Subaru but Suzuki Grand Vitara :-))))
xj ax15it unda da es ra chemi fexi tovlia )
SUBARU WIN！
this is so fake test; this jeep is not locking its diffs; must be base model ; dont see quadra drive here; also its the tires that fail on the jeep not the drive train system.
tiredrummertube it is, it's Selec-Track and the driver couldn't drive it for shit lol. The Jeep appears to be a Laredo from what i can tell.
it's a shame that Jeep needs to have 15 different drive systems to get one that actually works in snow. most people expect to have that capability when they buy an AWD vehicle.
Gregarious Solitudinist jeep isn't awd dumbass. 4x4 big difference. Jeep with Quadra-Trac is what this guy needed, that's the AWD ones like the overland. and Jeep has 1 4x4 and 1 awd system at any time....not 15. learn a bit more next time before u start talking about shit u dont know
tiredrummertube butthurt jeep won’t accept its the suv in the video is a Jeep. Doesn’t matter what model. Take the base model Subaru and base model Jeep. Don’t cry jeep guy. It happened.
So, you need a top of the line jeep in order to best a base model Subaru?
That's not a Subaru
Nhan Le nope it sure isn't. Looks like a Suzuki Grand Vitera or a Geo Tracker to me
One is a Suzuki Grand Vitera, crawls right on threw, bet its in low range!
Only 35000
Very scientific comparison. Mmmmmmm not
Subi Lyfe! Love em!
SUBARU FOR THE WIN~
That forester kicked that POS jeep's ass!!!!!
lmberish first off that's not a forester dumbass. Second of all I own a WJ and haven't had problems with it at all. Where I live all you see is jeeps in the winter snow. Please watch what you say before you get your ass handed to you.
Dakota Jaegle What do you call the vehicle at 7:36 dumbass
A rust-bucket. That's how I call it.
Stefan Stoilov What brand of vehicle do you drive?
I had a Subaru Legacy, sold it , bought an Audi A4 quattro.
Subarus are not bad cars, but the rust is a big issue
This is furreners made movie so it doesn't count
Amoorikans vs. furreners !
Furrerners suck at driving is what hes saying
Stop gunning it 😒
ok :D
grancheroks zafxulis pakrishkebi aqvs da magito ver qachavs
saburavebi sul axlebi ukenia M+S
@@mamukachkuaselidze2083 M+S ნაგავია ზამთარში, ზამთრისები უნდა ეყენოს , ბლიზაკები ან ნოკიანი ხაკაპოლიტა. ასევე სუბარუ მსუბუქია გრანდზე და ეგეც გასათვალისწინებელია .
That Cherokee was 2WD
That's what I've been hearing about the Forester, it wins!
JEEP on AT tyres ))) lol )) no comments///
Slavonmmx ATs work great in deep snow and on both jeep and crosstrek.cuz I've driven both.
well, the Grand loosened the snow for the wimpy subipoo.. lol. i could hear the jeep shifting. he had it in high. need low for that. also that sub has limited slip as that jeep has a dana 35 axle w a nv242 transfer case. jeep could have done better with wheelbase as the cherokee is too long for a 4wd carrying the jeep legacy. now a limited slip differential set up like quadradrive would have gone up the hill. driver didnt seem to know what to do either. im no expert but that subapoo driver did a better drive job.
big ass dude But muh Jeep wrangler
i have a wj with good winter tires(and quadradrive good condition) and a crapy suzuki vitara with mud tires. Tested on a similar condition like in this clip and suzi managed better without digging to mud wich supprised me. I gues was the 1tone weigth difference since jeep is about 2t and vitara is almost 1t.
I've been through far worse with a 96 GC and Quadra-Trac, its all in knowing how to drive and having a good set of tires. If you can't drive worth shit it don't matter what vehicle you have or what tires you have.
Suzuki best.
jeeps ar shit.... we all know this.........................??????????????
bad tires for gc
Nedaryk gėdos Jeep su savo ubagu be varilok
Not buying all this, had 1997 Grand Cherokee with select trac and it would plow tough with all 4 wheels truning, was that a V8 or a jeep with qurdro track, that's for soccer moms, junk.
American cars suck! Subaru's symmetrical AWD system is the best in the market. #JapaneseReliability
Dennis Mutuma hahahA! You know nothing about 4wd
Dennis Mutuma yes you do know Subaru is the best damn car. And you also know people should know how to speak and write English correctly before making insulting comments.
TheRedRaven Subaru doesn’t need a low selection and blah blah. It just awd and nuff said.
Subaru quit making good cars in the late 80's when they got rid of the real 4WD system. Never saw a Subaru all winter 2 winters ago because the snow was too deep, unless you had a real 4WD you weren't going anywhere, those cute little AWD systems are useless in anything but a few inches of snow significantly related to the idiot driver and the lack of ground clearance in today's vehicles.
Subaru didn't even go up the same spot the idiot was trying to go in the Jeep, the Subaru came in from a different angle across the hill instead of trying to drive straight up the hill. It would help if they had people that knew how to drive.
Jeep overrated. shame...
karoche orive myavda ufro swored subaru exlac myavs magram grandit ro gavdiodi adgilebshi subaruti iq ver vifiqreb gasvlas :D nu pakrishka mdzgoli eg bevrs wyvetavs am shemtxvevashi,tovlshi da talaxshi ro razatka ar unda chartos ar icis sheileba da erti sityvit ra exla myavs 2.0 turbiniani magram grandis mere gasvlashi da off roadshi es araferia
The jeep wj is a better offroad vichel. thats a fact. this vidoe proves nothing. it is all about grip, something the jeep didnt have because it was using mud tiers. and the jeep didnt even use low gear ( quadra drive ) + the driver is useless
That was not a Subaru... it was a Suzuki Grand Vitara.
Bullshit Video
And yes my Suzuki would beat a forester. easily
Then the superboob showed up at the end of the video
claudepgh Just to let you know, the Forester was actually shown near the end of the video. But yes, the Vitara would do better off road, definitely.