FPV Video Low Band Is Illegal
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- If you are using the L-band for FPV video in the United States and Europe (and probably many other places), you are probably breaking the law. And not just a little "look the other way" violation like flying FPV without a HAM license.
NOTE: Throughout this video, I refer to the ISM band as ending at 5825 MHz. This is incorrect. It ends at 5875 MHz. I don't know what I was thinking.
much respect josh b. I for one GREATLY appreciate you making this video, even if it is unpopular and some pilots wont like it. I thank you for looking out for us and the hobby. Happy and safe flying. PS congrats on the 30k subs.
In 99$ kwad build you use this reciever UAVfutures
a receiver doe's not transmit
Of course we like it. We are all adults here and know about consequences.
I bought the VTX03 because the $99 build video, that video should be updated with a warning note.
Now it's not illegal to own the VTX03 in the US, you just can't use those channels in the US.
The weather channel just said their expecting 70mph quadcopters coming from the north
More climate change!
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Great video. I'm a newbie to FPV, a ham, and also work in the RF space for a portion of my job. Frequency coordination and playing by the rules - well it's kind of baked in my DNA. Thanks for all your great content and support and education of the FPV industry. Oh, and congrats for growing you following to be able to go full time FPV.
Thanks for clarifying the difference between being illegal but within typical operating parameter and being illegal in a way that would bring a lot more heat to the hobby.
Fantastic video. It was so hard for me to find out exactly what the legal issues with FPV flying when I was getting into the hobby. Also, it's very important to not only understand the law, but understand why it exists. This video did a great job of explaining exactly that. We need more informational videos like this, and we need more FPVers who understand the law and its purpose. I learned something today!
"Get off my frequency!"
- Joshua Bardwell
LOL
He should a re-enactment of Kramer on Seinfeld with the "Serenity now" stuff :D
Don't feel silly. All it takes is one bad incident and our hobby that we love can be in real jeopardy. We all need to share some level of responsibility in being good ambassadors for FPV because the government never does things in these situations on an individual level (they will if the transgression is big enough) but rather uses laws as a blanket to cover the whole group with regulation. Now I'm off to dive the air traffic control tower at the airport over groups of children (won't someone please think of the children!!!) starting my dive at 1500 feet for the most epic of epic footage while flying in the L band without a spotter. That last sentence is a joke for those who don't understand humor or sarcasm. ;)
That's absolutely right. We all have Remote ID on the way *because* a few people were irresponsible. I flew RC planes and helicopters for decades with almost no regulation because almost all flyers pretty much followed AMA guidelines- we were safe an responsible.
If you aren't following common sense rules, Remote ID is your fault.
@@senseisecurityschool9337 i agree , that's why now we are all having to deal with this Remote ID stuff
Then problem is the goverment, not some people with hobbies, you know. Becose punishing people for things, that they MAYBE can do - it's a antiutopia show, nothing more. Let's ban kitchen knifes, let's ban hammers, let's ban nails, rope, let's ban welding machines scissors - that's all dangerous to. Everything is dangerous, and some bunch of f***** p***** telling what to do or not just becose they "suspicious". That's not how things should be done. People should be punished only for real deal, when they realy did something, that sure will bring disaster. But when some peoples flying around in a field - that's just ....
Thank you for keeping me informed. I've been flying for 4 months now, only learned what i needed to learn to fly. Solder wires here, don't power a VTX without an antenna, simple stuff. only what i needed to know to get flying. most people are probably like me. it was only a month ago that i started looking into all of the technical information on quads, EMFs, ESC protocols, Disk Loading Theory, choosing the right batteries, all the good stuff. thank you for teaching me, no one asked you to put this info out there, but it's what we need to hear.
Thanks Joshua. I have a HAM license and I stick to the IMS frequencies, but I was doing it without knowing so. Now I know. You've taught me something today.
I literally just ordered that VTX yesterday. Will make sure I stay in a legal band.
Right on, I am glad you are a professional around RF, giving your input on this. It means a lot and more "educating" is required when it comes to these things. The technology has become so common and readily available, that people think they can do what they want, without ever reading into legalities and possible repercussions, that result from their negligence. I just wish there was more input from the manufacturers as well. Thank you!
We are really glad this is being brought up, but unfortunately it is our opinion that there is some incorrect information here. You are totally correct that L-band is totally illegal for import or use in the US. Where our opinion differs is related to ISM band use. Our opinion based on a significant amount of research is that, to legally import and use ISM band equipment, the equipment has to be tested and certified to meet certain requirements. None of the equipment has had that done, therefore it cannot be operated under the ISM rules. As long as they are locked to only transmit within the correct bands (inside 5650-5925 MHz), the equipment CAN be marketed and sold to those operating the equipment under amateur radio rules. This means the operators should have a technician's class amateur radio license. This also means that equipment that operates outside of these rules cannot be imported and sold legally (previous precedence with FCC action on some FPV vendors a few years ago). Unfortunately, the flood of totally illegal equipment could cause the FCC to reverse their previous direction and decide that the equipment can't be imported and marketed at all if it isn't certified either as ISM or Part 15 compliant equipment. That's not good for any of us who want this hobby to last for years and year. The equipment that we've seen available CANNOT, however, be operated under Part 15 or ISM rules.
Thank you ReadyMade! I just saw your comment after posting mine. You are 100% correct. I'll post below the actual passage and verse from part 15 that backs up your comment because Bardwell will probably read and respond to your comment. (By the way I buy most of my FPV stuff from you guys - keep on rocking!)
§15.201 Equipment authorization requirement.
(a) Intentional radiators operated as carrier current systems, devices operated under the provisions of §§15.211, 15.213, and 15.221, and devices operating below 490 kHz in which all emissions are at least 40 dB below the limits in §15.209 shall be verified pursuant to the procedures in Subpart J of part 2 of this chapter prior to marketing.
(b) Except as otherwise exempted in paragraph (c) of this section and in §15.23 of this part, all intentional radiators operating under the provisions of this part shall be certificated by the Commission pursuant to the procedures in subpart J of part 2 of this chapter prior to marketing.
I bought all my long range 433Mhz and 1258Mhz equipment and much more from Ready made Rc they are the best! Too bad its all illegal now and I quit flying almost a year and a half ago and building and buying RC stuff. Sad what it has done to our hobby and nations economy. I am just praying John Taylor wins against the FAA -www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2576814-Support-John-A-Taylor-s-Lawsuit-against-the-FAA-s-Registration-Rule/page2
The AMA's opinion (and ours) is that you can totally fly with that equipment as long as you are following the AMA guidelines. From the FCC's side of things, if you have an amateur radio license you should be able to operate it like any of the other equipment we're talking about here. We've never shipped transmitters that are illegal to use under the amateur rules in the US.
No, I didn't mean to imply that Ready Made sold me anything illegal at the time. Unfortunately, so much of what I built is no longer flyable. No more FPV, Nothing beyond the line of site, and 6ft wingspan planes are not meant for flying around a park, to me. I guess I could go take my test, and pay my tax ,and register on the national database ,like a good little minion. I ,like many, choose not to comply at this point. Its just to big of a mess. and its a giant government overreach IMHO. I am all about safety and there isn't one hint of it in the 7 minute registration/tax
One thing that I apparently got wrong is that we are not operating under the ISM rules but under the Ham band rules.
are there ANY goggles that can even pick up these low ban channels? i dont know of any, but also just asking for a friend :P
LaForge and True-D can do it.
Good info.
Now... about a tiny whoop slamming into a woman's butt whilst building-diving: tell us this story!
Wow am I glad I found this! Browsing through your vids I thought this looked particularity interesting so I watched. The next day the VTX I ordered came in the mail. I ordered it for the power flexibility (.01Mw-600 Mw) and of course it's got 72 channels. If I hadn't stumbled on this I'd have had no idea. Thank you Joshua!
Glad you brought this up. I was unaware about the 'L-band' and will make sure I do my due diligence. I recently got an Aomway and will have to check to make sure those bands aren't there and if they are I'll gladly stay off them! Thanks for the informative video.
While looking at the frequencies available I noticed that raceband 1 is considerably below all the fatshark channels, since everyone i fly with uses fatshark channels does that mean I can use raceband 1 without interfering with anyone? I know this is slightly off topic but can't find an appropriate video to ask this on. I know that the further apart frequencies are the less interference although this isn't always the case. 2.4 and 5.8ghz seem to interfere quite a lot, is this because one is double the other? Also within the legal range of bands, is raceband 1 the most powerful as well due to the lower frequency?
A video on all this would be great however if that isn't possible I would really appreciate a reply, Thanks!
Yes, if you use R1 for example, you should be far away from F1. Lower frequencies are not inherently more powerful. Especially because your antenna is probably tuned to 5800 MHz, you will typically see slightly reduced range on channels like R1 and R8.
JOSH, THANK YOU FOR THE INFO!. I LOVE THIS HOBBY AND I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANY PART OF IT RUINED BECAUSE I WAS DOING ILLEGAL CRAP, HELL I HAVE CANCER AND THEY REALLY CANT HURT ME ANYMORE BUT I LOVE THIS HOBBY AND IT TAKES MY MIND AWAY FROM THE WORLD FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND I LEARN STUFF AND I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO ALL GO AWAY! THERE HASNT EVER BEEN A SINGLE PERSON WHO STARTED TALKING TO ME WHILE OUT FLYING THAT LOOKED THROUGH MY FPV GEAR THAT DIDNT LOVE IT AND DOES BRING ALOT OF JOY!
Thank you for making this video, I didn't realize some channels were off limits. Thankfully none of the ones I use are outside of what is allowed.
Glad you brought this up! I bought one of these Eachine VTX's that has these illegal bands as an option. Luckily I didn't use them, but I could have without even knowing! I just pushed buttons on it randomly assuming that all the bands on it were allowed.
HAM band is 5650 MHz to 5925 MHz. So Raceband is still legal. ISM band is narrower apparently. But in the U.S. you need to have a HAM license anyway to operate anywhere within 5650 to 5925.
Yes! This is the more accurate post. Folks should also be aware of E band issues too though. This has frequencies 5645 and 5945 - both of these freqs are ILLEGAL, not in HAM bands at all. E band is commonly found on a majority of 5.8 vtx too.
You're right. I was apparently wrong when I said we were operating on ISM. I really thought we were.
@twinturbostang This is correct, not many people care to understand the fcc restrictions on radio and assume everything is free game. It says right in your vtx manual on most models that a level 1 ham licence is required to operate on many frequencies, punishable by fine.
So true. Folks, just go get your Technician class ham ticket for goodness sake. Everything you learn is directly applicable to this hobby. A license allows you to experiment on 5.8GHz, antennas, transmitters, with a maximum PEP of 5W. The test is so easy my ex-gf passed it first try and she doesn't know where oil goes in a car engine. A dollar a year … ain't no thang.
This is correct afaik.
Great PSA Josh! Nothing like taking some personal responsibility instead of hiding behind ignorance. Job very well done. ROTOR ON Sir!
Once again, Thanks Josh, You mentioned your in the RF profession, what would you recommend for a frequency analyzer (better than the little scanner on the LaForge module)? I would like to paint a picture of what is being used where I fly. I think this as a practice could help in the responsibility aspect as well as get me on the cleanest bands and frequencies. Cheers.
Good video man. I have this but have not used it. I just got it when it was 10$ for a mini build you in the future. Good reminders!! Cause I already forgot that it had all these channels and whatnot. Keep stuff coming like this more often!
I've stopped counting how many times I've seen these huge circles in meteo-radar. I love to look at it, it's really the best way to tell if it's gonna rain in next few hours, but there's always someone messing up with it. And no, the meteorologist can't move to other band, the wavelength needs to correspond to physical dimension of water drops in clouds. So please, as Joshua says, do not use frequencies outside of the allowed range.
Btw even when you are within the allowed range, where I live (Europe, Czech rep) it's illegal to use anything above 25mW outside, so you should really check your local policy on this.
(this is the most extreme case I've seen, not an fpv pilot: www.zive.cz/GetThumbNail.aspx?id_file=970315582&width=480&height=331&q=100 )
Mikolas 3D Printing nazdar 😂 jsem na přesně na 5.8 na 200mW, lítám na poli daleko od něčeho co bych mohl rušit. elektronika je moje hlavní hobby a budoucí práce a moc dobře si uvědomuji, že používání moc vysokých výkonů a jiných frekvenci je big deal...
Tech 25mW mi u nas prijde trochu brutus no, 200mW je takovej standard a na poli daleko od zastavby bych cekal ze i 600mW nebude nic rusit. Na druhou stranu pokud clovek nelita v lese, tak i tech 25mW ma docela slusnej dosah.
Mikolas 3D Printing jo to určitě, když lítám s QX90 která má to camera/25mW VTX combo tak se dostanu na 200m bez žádného rušení ale jakmile zaletim za hlavu trochu za kupec do remizku tak to už skoro nejde. zvažuji koupit 600mW na další 5" build protože se ty věci hýbou dost rychle a těch 200mW na me 250 někdy nedostacuje 😃
Ono je to hrozně dvousecny. Tech 600mW umi byt zase v nekterych situacich mnohem horsi, kvuli tomu jak se ten vyzarenej signal vsude odrazi. Ideal jsou ty (bohuzel drahy) prepinatelny vtx, kde si proste podle lokace naklikas 25/200/600 :)
Mikolas 3D Printing jo, musíš si uvědomit kde lítáš nejvíc, koupil jsem dražší prepinatelne VTX 25/200mW protože jsem si říkal že bych to mohl přepnout kdyby byly problémy... nikdy jsem ho na 25 neměl, protože jak jsem říkal, někdy ani to nestačí. ale určitě když lítáš ještě s někým nebo někde v hale tak není dobré prazit naplno 600.
Thanks Joshua! I was looking at that Vtx primarily as a cheap, switching Vtx for my Wizard, and I had no idea it had alternate bands available. Keep up the good work
Thank you for making this vid. Some people don't think of what can happen. All it takes is one person to use some product from overseas that interrupts a crucial frequency that puts people at risk to cost the entire fpv hobby it's rights.
Fortunately we have Joshua that actually knows what he is talking about and does his research before advising someone. As a science loving guy it really bugs me to see people that should know better just spiting out whatever they think it will be the next big hype, without having any kind of understanding or doing any kind of basic research on the subject. Thanks again Joshua for keeping this hobby a place where we know and understand the stuff we're dealing with.
thanks for holding us down, safety should be every pilots primary concern.
As a new guy to this hobby (and an owner of two Eachine VTX-03's), I'm very glad I watched this video. Thanks, Joshua... My family will be keeping it legal.
I agree 100% with you Joshua. I am a licensed general class ham active on UHF - HF and I believe any serious drone pilot should at least get a Tech license. The knowledge you gain is completely relevant to FPV-RC flying and the cost is minimal, 30-40 dollars for the book and FCC test. If we FPV pilots stay responsible, educated and licensed then there will be no need for laws to restrict or stop our hobby. As you stated Joshua I fear the day when uneducated, reckless FPV Pilots cause a public incident that ruins it for all us responsible pilots out there. Great work and thank for sharing this information. Awesome channel
I have been following you're channel for awhile now, joshua. I have to say I have learned more from you than everything else ive watched on youtube combined. Great Great stuff. Did you see that the new wizard x220S comes with a vtx that will output on this low band spectrum? Im curious how you feel about this. Espicially because of this video and the legalities you bring up. Also, do you plan on reviewing the Wizard X220s. Thanks again for the great videos.
I think most of what I have to say is in the video. It's unfortunate that vendors are selling this gear, but the good news is that we as pilots can still choose to comply with the regulations.
These are very valid points. and I was not aware what the band was actually used for. HAM users are already complaining about FPV on 1.3 band in the US. That's minor compared to the real issue that could occur if low band starts interfering with real commercial operations.
Thanks for the information Joshua, as always a clear and authoritative explanation of the subject. I am in the UK and I presume most of what you explain applies here too. Keep up your great RUclips posts!
Eachine should list these as "race only" or "not FCC compliant"
lol. Banggood/Eachine doesn't give a damn about anything except your $.
@James Thomas You are wrong, they only do not care about FCC rules (which only apply to US and no where in rest of world) and they are global sellers (and it is important obligation to take care that what it import is according to local regulations).
For example in my country upper limit is not 5.875 GHz but 7.125 GHz (with some constraints) or on other side first Spectrum radios was totally illegal (now they fix that) due output power (FCC limit output power to average 100mW ERP and in Europe (CEPT) it is limited to 100mW ERP pick power, and Spectrum had transmitting pick power of near 1W ERP but average was less then 100mW ERP which is legal according FCC rules but not to CEPT).
Bigger problem are prominent RUclipsrs (and rf experts according to their words) who are advocates of of regulatory compliance and still make videos about modification of RC transmitters (for example changing antenna with higher gain one) which make them illegal (for people who do not know maximum output power of transmitter is given as ERP (effective radiated power) which include antenna gain) without any warning about legality of changes they advise.
Yeah, that would be nice. I have no reason to even consider using these bands, but the VTX03 is a good micro VTX to run in normal bands.
Hey Josh I was wondering what your opinion was on the FPV google ban scare in 2014, seems to have calmed down now though. Is it considered illegal to use FPV goggles without a spotter?
I would look up what the AMA says on this one. I would be surprised if the FAA thought you could fly FPV without a spotter, if at all. Remember that under the strictest interpretation of the law, the only legal way to fly FPV today is with a Part 107 license, but the AMA is actively fighting that and says you shouldn't worry as long as you are non-commercial.
Thanks
Yes! As soon as I saw this "low band" being talked about I thought "Great, here we go, FCC is going to crack down on video transmitters". the 1300mhz video range is already making the news for allowing pilots to use lower frequencies that are illegal to use.
Hi Josh,
I totally get your point. One other topic I wonder about is, what you think about signal strength. In germany we have a very silly restriction to use only 25mW. As a professional, would you say operating at 200 or 600 mW would hurt anybody?
+Simon Bethke it all depends on how much interference the people are willing to tolerate. Higher output has a larger interference radius.
Great video, as a fellow ham operator, pilot and rf professional, it incenses me when you sit there and tell people they can't use that particular band and well.. you get the rest of it.
Right on Joshua. I'm glad someone is finally speaking up. I keep seeing YT personalities acting Iresponsible and not being proper role models for us noobs. I always felt they were going to ruin it for everyone eventually.
Thank you Granpa. Please continue keeping the sport healthy and strong.
Thanks. I will tell my FPV friend about this video. IDK if what he does is illegal,(probably not; he's very responsible to my knowledge.) but he does have a HAM licsence. Thanks for telling me about this low band and guiding me.
Joshua, would it still technically be interference if we designed a low - semi - low latency digital FPV datalink around widely available WiFi adapters, some rasperry pi a+, etc hardware? That operates outside with multi KM range yes? Adding more to the WLAN noise is not illegal I take it?
Love your videos, even though I don't do FPV. The makeshift radios whizzing around scares me, even though we can't hear EM wave sound. I can feel the whizzing just by looking at the antenna/impedance circuits from the old days of training of making 12GHz product prototypes.
I own that transmitter, but only for cheap 25mw raceband (required for local races). Is it an issue to have it since sometimes I have to flip through the illegal frequencies?
+Hack Strong if you transmit on an illegal frequency at all, you're in violation, buy if it's very brief it probably doesn't matter.
Is there a limit to the mw's your allowed to use in the U.S ? In Australia it's 25mw but it's not hard to get higher mw vtx's from china. Most stores in oz only sell 25mw vtx's. I assume by law that's the highest there allowed to sell. Although I have bought some 25 / 600mw switchables in oz so this may be a loop hole, not sure.
Yes, there is a limit, but I'm not sure what it is in the Ham band. It's more than 25 mW for sure.
Maximum 25mW in the UK but UK retailers will sell you a 200 mW VTx with no question or warnings.
Thanks for the info... I was wondering what would be the best Band and Channel to use for FPV by myself. I am doing video work with an iFlight mostly indoors. Thanks ⚓
What about users of 1.3ghz frequency for video fatshark sells receivers for 1.3ghz and transmitters are being sold at drone matters, is this legal in the U.S.
+B-360 FPV yes, 1.3 GHz can be legal in the US. 1258 and 1280 mHz only.
thanks josh! i just received my eachine camera today. i had no idea about the bands, i will not be using anything except the legal bands, also due to the fact i l live and fly close to an airport. i only fly at the local school football field because jets fly extremely low over my area...i love this hobby and want to see it thrive. i hope this issue can be sorted out and not ban any imports.
Hello Joshua, I got my "Technician License" and I was wondering how much power could we use for my VTX. You know... MW and Frequency?! I also want to know about
Radio control too. I have no idea.lol I remember we are only allow to 30 MHZ, but what products is available in the market for us? Do you have a video about this. Please, let me know
47 CFR Part 97 defines Ham operation. It references some fixed power output restrictions, such as a maximum of 1 Watt being used to control a remote control craft. But in other cases, possible output powers are in the hundreds of Watts. I'm not exactly sure what category our video transmitters would qualify as, but I suspect we can operate at output powers higher than an RC pilot would typically want to use (due to size and weight requirements).
Hey Joshua, I don't knownhowni missed this video but it popped up today. As we all know you are an RF Professional and obviously it shows in your content. I found this video particularly compelling and full of useful information. Will you be doing more videos like this or better still a pure RF primer maybe? Thanks for all of the time and effort I know you must put in for each and every video.
Hi Joshua, first of all; thanks a lot for posting a variety of usefull content. This was very interesting to watch because I think a lot of people are not aware what happens when they basically turn on a transmitter no matter on what frequency. I hope you can answer a question. Currently I'm transmitting on band E channel 3. But I noticed when I aim fore a gate between a lorry and a lamp post my screen is turning completely black. I'm using a Immersion RC 200mw transmitter and the quanum cyclops V2 pro goggles with 5dbi rhcp clover leaf antenna's. Is there any chance when switching to another frequency in order to get a better signal penetration ? ( for the record only within the allowed 5ghz frequency range ). Thanks in advance.
Probably you are experiencing multipath cancellation. If so, changing frequency might have a small effect.
Joshua Bardwell thanks but what would be a solution than ?
So the Ham license I would have to take is your normal HAM radio freq verbal communication license right?
Yes, it's the same license.
I am an RF professional also, and I approve this message! :-)
thank you telling me what frequencies to avoid now i don't have to worry about the fcc license.
The FCC still expects you to have a ham license for what it's worth.
I must know more about the butt whoop.
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You come off kinda snobbish in your videos, but it's because you are passionate about the hobby and you know the rules and laws. I've been a Ham since 1996 KB9NMZ,, but hardly ever used it for anything. I'm so glad there's another hobby for hams. I also wish everyone would jump the right hoops. It makes it better for all of us and honesty, it gives them useful info and education they don't even realize would help. Like basic electronics knowledge.. Thanks for all the informative videos for the noobs like me.
I just brought a 72CH transmitter, i never knew it was illegal. Thanks for the info grandpa bardwell :D
do any of these laws you talk about apply to Canada? how do you find these laws out? I've looked around and there is no clear answer
+Michael M I believe you'll have to ask Mr. Trudeau.
He's too busy doing his hair...
Scale Trails lmao true
I keep hearing about 25/200 and 600mw. how do you change from 25 to 200 mw?
Thanks for the info, the club I fly with is growing and from time to time we get guys powering up whilst peeps are in flight, blocking channels and causing brown trousers. This is why I refuse to take auto level off of my setup option list, it gives me that few seconds needed to go from acro hit the gas rip off my headset and recover my quad. I would also advice having the vtx on a plug or switch and not hardwired, this is great to allow you to disable your vtx do some line of sight and prep for your next flight. Many thanks Josh.
Another 802.11 guy here, and I applaud you for trying to keep the air clean for the users DFS or or otherwise. Listen to em kids, stay off the L-Band lawn :)
I'm using tx03 from Eachine too (that aio camera support 72ch). but not using the low band... hopefully everybody that watching this take a responsible action to not using that band and screw this beautiful hobby
I just got two more TX03s in the mail and also will not be using these bands. There's no need to really.
The hobby is already screwed to a certain degree through the inappropriate use (by a small minority ) of drones such as the DJI Phantom and others like it. At least using an illigal frequency in this band has not got the potential to maim or kill. Saying that I do not endorse using an illigal frequency, just pointing out the obvious !
What about the range of legal frequencies in the 1.3ghz range? Is it similar to the situation with the 5.8 crowd where a ham license is technically required but not everyone actually has, or is it a real necessity to have the license for 1.3ghz because of longer range? Also, I thought I read somewhere that these channels are just above a set of frequencies that have to do with runway guidance systems or something airport related? Would a person definitely have their ham license in hand before transmitting in 1.3ghz?
+Matthew Diem I think you're more likely to get noticed outside of 2.4 and 5.8 just because those bands are so crowded it's easy to get lost in the noise.
The 1258 Mhz band was just introduced a few years ago specifically for RC, and there is another frequency in the 1260-1300 range added at the same time. It has way more penetration than 5.8 ! Meaning trees aren't much of a bother. There is very, very, little on it. However your best to check your equipt or buy from a reputable manufacturer like Ready Made RC to be on the correct frequency . Video Aerial Systems (VAS)is a good choice also for info and equipment. I don't know what frequency the airports use, Someone else may be able to help.That may be just a european airport frequency. I know they cannot use 1.2-1.3Ghz
+Paul F the problem with 1.2 is lack of channels. Aren't there only a few usable channels?
I believe the range of channels is not as great as 5.8 ghz you are correct ! (But it is way, way, superior as you know) When I bought some VAS blue beam antennas for my homebuilt quads I finally saw some 5.8 video that wasn't terrible. ( I used to say ) :)
I actually did purchase my 1.3ghz stuff from readymaderc. This was a few years ago for a multiwii build I had going. I remember, at the time, some were selling vtx's that had legal and illegal channels and others had certain channels locked out for use in the USA. I'll have to get it out and check out the frequency options. Anyway, I bought the equipment but after reading cautionary posts on a bunch of forums, I never used it. I live near a small airport. I was about half way through the book for the ham tech license, was going well, pretty interesting, but then had a kid. Not even sure where it is at this point. I forget the power level vtx I purchased. I'm trying to decide whether to give it a try, or find the book and cross my t's and dot my i's before I power it up. Thanks guys.
thanks for this. love learning through your channel. I am new to this all but have to start somewhere. your word is good old man
Thank you for this very informative video. I'm just getting started in FPV and the last thing I want to be doing is breaking laws. Thanks again.
Nicely put Josh. If everyone abides by the rules, we won't end up like Canada at the moment, where it seems to be illegal to fly anywhere.
Why can't we use something like spread spectrum for fpv
We can, but it is super expensive and high latency. So not good for acro or racing.
Joshua Bardwell oh ok I've always wondered about that
Hey Joshua, are you running that Zoom H2n straight into your computer, or into your camera?
In this case, I am recording with a Logitech C920 webcam and the H2n is going direct to the PC via USB. When I do bench recordings, I use the mic input on the H2n and the aux output of the H2n to run a headset mic into the camcorder. In some cases, I will use both USB and the aux output to run the audio into a PC and the camcorder at the same time, which makes it easier to sync the tracks.
I've got a zoom H1 and an H6, they're awesome pieces of kit. I've figured out how to do a mix minus for Skype interviews using the H6 and an ATR2100 mic, which has the unique ability to output through USB and xlr at the same time. I'm def gonna try your tricks too. I've been using a cheap action cam as a Webcam, gotta get a Logitech
The C920 is freaking amazing. Go into the camera settings and disable "auto" everything, or the framerate will be crap. Then manually set the sliders to get the best image. For $60 to $90 depending on which exact model you get, it beats cameras 3x its price.
I respect your passion as a former 31r multichannel systems switching operator, us army. More still as a fairly new fpv quad enthusiasts.
People who have worked in radio don't need explanation as to why this is a big deal. Radio is so damn useful, and it only takes one jackass to ruin it. Nobody who really respects radio wants to be that jackass.
Joshua Bardwell never that brother. Climbing; "shimming" up a 15m mast to change popularity in a hostile or even private environment. In my experience way to often a bad out post "operator" will make work difficult sometimes in miles each direction. I agree with you here, there is so much unseen wave lengths; and they need to stay that way.
So is using a 2.4ghz TBS Unify VTX and a 900mhz radio transmitter and receiver, illegal? I’ve heard conflicting info on this. Just curious if you guys know for sure
I'm not sure why it would be illegal as long as you have your ham license and all equipment is operating within power and frequency limits.
Ok. So I need to get a HAM license then. Thanks for the reply 👍
Thanks Josh, I was this close to start using it just because I have the ability. Thanks for the video. I had no clue.
On board JB, appreciate the heads up
but officer.. Josh Bardwell said I could do it
Don't feel sorry, this is important message. Because this can affect the whole hobby as a whole.
Joshua you make a great point. Time and time again things are illegal but not enforced much, because it isn't a problem. When it becomes a problem people notice, people complain, people call law enforcement and we get new laws and restrictions. I'm 53 years old and have seen that bad behavior hurts more than just the idiot being bad.
I had bought this to use on one of my cheap quads without realizing that it had the extra bands. The good thing about it is I do not have anything to receive that signal so it's useless to me. I am glad that you made this video because I was totally ignorant to the fact of the low bands. The only thing I knew in the beginning was why doesn't my goggles have these extra bands, lol. At least I can use it responsibly now!
But to clarify if you own this transmitter ( i do by the way ) and only use it on set bands for example abde and R at the 25mw in the UK that would be legal. But should you increase the power above 25mw and use the L band or o band for example then it would be illegal. Surely in this case it comes down to read the manual and make sure your settings correspond with local law or bylaw. It would not make the device itself illegal just the use in certain bands / power levels?
If people were really responsible then you could sell an L-band vTX and trust people not to use it without authorization. But obviously people can't be trusted. In general, the FCC wants manufacturers to make it harder for people to do illegal things. This is why we have RP-SMA and SMA incidentally. Look at what ImmersionRC does with the Tramp. Only the race director wand can unlock certain frequencies or change a transmitter's operating region. And race director wands are not sold to the general public. This is not some authoritarian attempt to ruin your fun. It's an attempt to comply with the law, and its a very responsible choice.
I know where your coming from and to a degree agree that some people just dont care about flouting the rules. But from the manufacturer standpoint it is easier to produce 1 product for all markets rather than different ones for each country. I gather the other bands are legal in china and korea and probably other areas as well. But yes i agree that rules are there for a reason. Usually to protect a particular bandwidth for other use. Im just saying producing a product that is capable of something doesnt automatically mean it will be used that way. But with all things there is always one. Look at rc range boosters for example.
wow ! I would have guessed that your a teacher or professor. You have got some serious skills brotha. Thank you for the info. I have an AIO tx03 and I had no idea about that.👍😊
so many little things to know in this hobby...I JUST WANT TO FLY GOD DAMN IT
Thanks for this video Joshua :)
Honestly, probably 70% of my video TX are still using 32 channels and don't even have raceband lol
On the other hand, i'm not even sure that our FPV goggles are compatible with these low bands :/
oh noes, not the weather radar, my precious weather radar. never considered diving a building on low-band while wearing a hoody but it sounds like much fun
Does anyone know anything about the Diatone band? 5362, 5399, 5436, 5473, 5510, 5547, 5584 and 5621? There isn't even a receiver for these, is there?
Thank you for that Video! The Theme is much wider than Frequencys... also those max. Power and fly everywhere Guys dont think about responsibility for the whole Hobby. As you said, the Hammer will fall to all of us...
Definitely not using L band after that video! Just a quick question, I'm aware 1.2/1.3ghz isn't allowed in the UK but is it actually dangerous?
That's banned in whole Europe and might be used for example by Galileo or older GPS. Definitely a big NO
EDIT: Apparently in some countries you can get a license for this band :) It's hard banned where I live :/
Thanks for explaining that to me!
Mikolas 3D Printing in some countries you can buy a license for 1.3/1.2ghz. For example in finland. I have a license for 1360mhz in finland and David windestål in sweden uses 1.3ghz.
I read on the Ofcom website that 1.3 is allowed as an amateur band in the UK but the usual 25mw limit applies and also the transmitters are not allowed to be attached to aircraft but thus far I've seen no evidence to suggest there's any harm that can be done on that band unless you're in an area where the military have rocked up and taken it over as they are allowed to do.
So glad you made this video
never heard of any of this until now kind confusing so basically I bought an fpv inductrix ... that's illegal without a ham license?
Yes. You are supposed to have a ham license to use any non-FCC certified transmitter, of which an inductrix probably is one. Look over the copter. If it has an FCC Part 15 stamp on it then it's certified. If not, you probably are supposed to have a ham license.
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Many cases are there of people abusing these bands? To be honest, I just use the clearest picture I can find on fatshark band ( I have fatsharks).
I plan on staying off your lawn. But I’m genuinely curious if this has caused an uproar here or there.
So if I buy a Eachine TX03 with up to 200mw and 72 channels but only stay at 25mw and between 5.725-5.875 it’s still illegal because it’s not a FCC part 15 certified transmitter. However if I get my Ham license then I can use the higher power and different channels. Correct
+George N you still have to stay inside the Ham band frequencies but yes other than that you're correct.
Joshua Bardwell Thanks buddy! Best wishes to you.
I like your attitude! I don't care for asking permission and paying fees to do my thing, never have, but I don't want to do any actual harm either.
I never did ham radio, because frankly I don't really find I like the attitude of the people who do that here in the UK as a rule, but your attitude, I have time for... Thanks for the "heads up" it's ueful information presented in a good and pleasant way..
Joshua, most of the antenna are set for 5800, using a 5300 totally screwup the video probably ?
+MadeC the reception won't be as good.
hey grandpa. I am glad we had this chat. seriously, this should be talked about. seriously. Thanks for not posing, and thanks for sharing your knowledge. Sometimes we are wrong, sometimes we are right. It is almost always better that we talk about it.
Excellent information, very clear, thanks.
very nice and interesting video! makes me motivated to get into the legal part even more! RC model reviews should do a vid on all the illegal oldschool radio bands and how big of a deal if was! amazing!
Hello, how I search the frequncy that my gov or local station using?...
+Fate T. Harlaown I'm not sure there is a simple and universal way.
I'm just thankful that you give me the information to make my own decisions. I choose to be responsible for the greater good of drones.
do you have any advice for a RUclips channel
mines been up for well over a month and I am lucky if I get 10 views per video: (
+georgeFPV I don't know how to get views. I got very lucky in the beginning because I was doing Blackbox Log analysis and nobody else was.
Stay legal! Get your ham radio license, it's easy. it only takes about 30 days with a few hours of study each night. The study course / practice exams have a lots of great information that we all should know. If you are serious about this hobby, get your license and have no worries.
Old comment, new reply...wanted to state that I just got my Technician license after only 2 evenings of heavy study and 2 refresher nights where I reread the question pool. I was able to pass multiple sample tests online after the first evening of study. Got 100% right on the test this evening. Way easier than you're making it sound, but I agree with the rest of your comment!
Great video Joshua, I learned a lot from This! Thanks
Did some reading on weather station radar systems. It's hard to imagine that 0.025W of power would provide any detectable level of interference with a 250,000W radar station (most upward of 1MW ERP). Granted radar works on measuring reflections but I'd be confident those reflected signals are well above 25mW. Completely agree on the topic of the tragedy of commons and see much heavier restrictions on drone flying in general in the years to come.
+Mike Dergance I think you're wrong about the strength of the measured reflections. A 25 mW transmission from a wifi radio can be received at -90 dBm, which is 0.0000000001 Watts.