A nice special rule for Skaven...erm...volunteers....other than a Levy style mechanic, is also a "We'll hit theirs as well" mechanic, where Skaven can just fire into the them, even in combat.
Skaven vs dwarfs is a classic match up. Love this format and I think I'll suggest it to a couple of my gaming buddies. We already play much more casually with armies that look a lot more like proper Warhammer armies.
A couple of minor points. The cannon shot is only blocked by Impassable and High Linear Obstacles, so you could have fired through the trees. I don't believe Earthen Ramparts can be cast into combat, which substantially reduces its utility. I thought you only take panic tests for failed break tests - i.e. give ground does not lead to a panic test. Failed panic does not cause any panic tests, so you can't chain panic from the Warp Engineer to the Gutter Runners for example.
Sad that in the second round you forgot to add the two wounds general suffered in the duel to the battle score. It would be fun to see the rats run over flying empire troops.
Definitely underpowered for their cost, I'd like them to stay the roughly the same cost but get a buff. And I'd like the clan rats to be cheaper or... Bring back slaves. I want to field 200 rat men in a normal size game and I want to outnumber the empire significantly, while being balanced.
@@That_Rat_Bastrd yeah but the word Slaves is a bad word so it is not alowed anymore :P god forbid the objectivly and irredemable evil races do evil stuff....
tbh most core units and infanty in old world could come down like 20% (so 45-50% for core infantry) in points. Obviously tailored +/-10% for most, a few infantry are fine as is tho.
Rule to note - the unit you are within 3 of needs to be the nearest not just any unit for the sake of shooting and spells (ruby ring). This was clarified in the FAQ
I didn't know that, good catch. Obviously the Man-things needed to resort to such treachery for a chance of standing against the might of Clan Ratchit!
Just FYI, you can only cast Hex/Enchantment on units in combat if it explicitly says so on the spell e.g. you can't cast Earthen Ramparts on units that are in combat.
The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura.
I think you either need better steel or more gunpowder in your list maybe! Would be cool to see a 3k points game and add some other cool bits like handgunner/cav/greatswords as well as the huge units! great watch and great looking armies! The empire looks how it should be !!:)
Skaven are a legacy factions (for now) I dream of a future where fet get a Limited release of the cool older models. But so far the new AoS stuff seems to rank up acceptably so that's something.
@@That_Rat_Bastrdlikewise they might just use extra clan rats and ratling guns etc and just port them over given that TOW has been much more successful than they first thought.
Do cannons have guaranteed aim in this game? That seems very odd. Also they seem to be able to shoot stuff out of the air, which is just crazy. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Rules query: at about 35 mins you used general’s leadership who was in a different unit then added warband from militia to give ld10. I don’t think you can do that…you either use the general’s leadership or you use the rules that apply to the unit doing the testing. Or am I wrong?
If it misfired with the reroll for three games in a row, that's 1/46,656. If It actually exploded itself each game as well, that's 1/10,077,696 Either way I think you need to stay away from ladders and broken mirrors.
i dont play this game but im curious to try it, i have a quick question about terrain, is there always a hill in the deployment zone? it seems to give a big advantage to shooty armies, and i think i have seen one in every one of your empire battle reports. cheers
There has been a set of game maps made by the popular Square Based show guys. It's great for balanced games and often contains one deployment hill each. But it's not a necessity to use those maps, especially in non-competitive settings!
@@That_Rat_Bastrd hey pal. Good shout. But The variant maps for each mission often don’t contain hills even though map 1 normally does. At the event I ran and used the pack, I made sure half the scenarios didn’t have hills in the deployment zone for this very reason
@@Become_The_Hero I must confess I'm only familiar with the map layouts in passing from having played on a few of them. Ive never bothered to look them up myself, tournament organisers or in this case Mordian normally set the table up around me 😅 or just I just "yea that looks fine" when playing with mates/stranger no matter what they've put out. It's a testament to the scene that iv never knowingly had anyone try to get an advantage from terrain yet!
Really love your content! But i would love if your old world content would continue with the more competitive focus. Like you have been doing. But give me more!❤
Someone get Mordian's Empire General a Demigryph mount please! So much better value than the Duellists Blades! Also every time Mordian fired the mortar he never seemed to gt the benefit of hitting some poor rat man under the hole in the template?
Luthar and Ghorst What an absolute Easter Egg, great touch giving Ghorst the duellist blades.
Blind Guardian shirt. That's how you know you've got a quality opponent
fuck yeah, I was really hoping for more old world! Time to kick back and watch this bad lad!
A nice special rule for Skaven...erm...volunteers....other than a Levy style mechanic, is also a "We'll hit theirs as well" mechanic, where Skaven can just fire into the them, even in combat.
Skaven vs dwarfs is a classic match up. Love this format and I think I'll suggest it to a couple of my gaming buddies. We already play much more casually with armies that look a lot more like proper Warhammer armies.
Bremer Dan Gorst, I was not expecting an Abercrombie cross over in this video!
That was a very cool battle. The more I learn about TOW, the more I appreciate Total War’s attention to detail with the units and mechanics
Core hammer and Skaven? More videos like this, yes yes! Rats earned their cheese today. Maybe they need to taste some Dwarf cheese soon?
A couple of minor points. The cannon shot is only blocked by Impassable and High Linear Obstacles, so you could have fired through the trees. I don't believe Earthen Ramparts can be cast into combat, which substantially reduces its utility. I thought you only take panic tests for failed break tests - i.e. give ground does not lead to a panic test. Failed panic does not cause any panic tests, so you can't chain panic from the Warp Engineer to the Gutter Runners for example.
Rat-men = Best-men
Under-Empire = Best-Empire
Great game Mordian, really enjoyed this off meta core hammery goodness! 🐁🐁🐁
Those cups of coke, filled to the top make me fucking nervous...
Sad that in the second round you forgot to add the two wounds general suffered in the duel to the battle score. It would be fun to see the rats run over flying empire troops.
When the men outnumber the Skaven you KNOW the State Troops are overcosted/underpowered.
Definitely underpowered for their cost, I'd like them to stay the roughly the same cost but get a buff. And I'd like the clan rats to be cheaper or... Bring back slaves. I want to field 200 rat men in a normal size game and I want to outnumber the empire significantly, while being balanced.
@@That_Rat_Bastrd yeah but the word Slaves is a bad word so it is not alowed anymore :P god forbid the objectivly and irredemable evil races do evil stuff....
I like Corehammer, it looks right. Much more interesting with more blocks SUPPORTED by Rare and Special..
tbh most core units and infanty in old world could come down like 20% (so 45-50% for core infantry) in points. Obviously tailored +/-10% for most, a few infantry are fine as is tho.
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Most battle reports makes the game feel like dragon ogres, minotaurs, and other similarly sized monstrous infantry are the majority of armies.
Rule to note - the unit you are within 3 of needs to be the nearest not just any unit for the sake of shooting and spells (ruby ring). This was clarified in the FAQ
I didn't know that, good catch. Obviously the Man-things needed to resort to such treachery for a chance of standing against the might of Clan Ratchit!
That tricksy Skaven combat was ridiculous with some of those hot rolls!
Just FYI, you can only cast Hex/Enchantment on units in combat if it explicitly says so on the spell e.g. you can't cast Earthen Ramparts on units that are in combat.
Would love see Dwarves against Skaven.
Mordian's sellswords need to hire some cavalry. I really like the idea of corehammer. Looks more like a battle.
The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura, The ants go marching one by one hura hura.
I think you either need better steel or more gunpowder in your list maybe! Would be cool to see a 3k points game and add some other cool bits like handgunner/cav/greatswords as well as the huge units! great watch and great looking armies! The empire looks how it should be !!:)
I know Simon is watching this, and he is probably laughing his ass off.
Any plans to do more Old World Dwarf battles? 😁
More Core-Hammer! Loved to watch this!
Here from 40k as a tourist. Looks cool as. A lot quicker than 40k
With skaven getting updated in aos and changing models i'm wondering if their old models will be offically supported in old world.
Is this a joke? Skaven are already a ‘legacy’ faction in old world
@@Become_The_Hero No it's not a joke. You seem very upset over something someone said on the internet. Maybe you should take your meds.
Skaven are a legacy factions (for now) I dream of a future where fet get a Limited release of the cool older models. But so far the new AoS stuff seems to rank up acceptably so that's something.
@@That_Rat_Bastrdlikewise they might just use extra clan rats and ratling guns etc and just port them over given that TOW has been much more successful than they first thought.
Bruh this fight was painful. That center fight would've been won had Mordian rolled at least average and the other guy rolled fewer saves.
Wooooow!!! that's 2k? that's...waaay too few troops! they really need to make battles bigger.
Have you seen 3e battles? 2000 points looks like 24 minis!
Hey lads, Panic checks are normally made with a Flee or Fall Back, not Give Ground...was this a muck up or did I miss a rules tweak?
Impossible, there are no ratmen in the Empire!
Do cannons have guaranteed aim in this game? That seems very odd. Also they seem to be able to shoot stuff out of the air, which is just crazy. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Rules query: at about 35 mins you used general’s leadership who was in a different unit then added warband from militia to give ld10. I don’t think you can do that…you either use the general’s leadership or you use the rules that apply to the unit doing the testing. Or am I wrong?
FAQ clarified any mofiders after using generals leadership, so yer fine to use warband like that
@@gilessmith-x1y thanks I’ll check it again.
Yeah boiiiiii let s go !! Those state troops are looking good!
Dont fall for his painting voodoo! The skaven look so good!, zealot yellow ftw aswell lol.
Thank you Squidfist! Appreciate the compliment!
If it misfired with the reroll for three games in a row, that's 1/46,656. If It actually exploded itself each game as well, that's 1/10,077,696
Either way I think you need to stay away from ladders and broken mirrors.
Did he ever ring the bell?
Yes! More Old World!
Love the core hammer!
Maravilloso. Gracias 🙏🏻
i dont play this game but im curious to try it, i have a quick question about terrain, is there always a hill in the deployment zone? it seems to give a big advantage to shooty armies, and i think i have seen one in every one of your empire battle reports.
cheers
No.
But people with war machines always want one there!
There has been a set of game maps made by the popular Square Based show guys. It's great for balanced games and often contains one deployment hill each. But it's not a necessity to use those maps, especially in non-competitive settings!
@@That_Rat_Bastrd hey pal. Good shout.
But The variant maps for each mission often don’t contain hills even though map 1 normally does. At the event I ran and used the pack, I made sure half the scenarios didn’t have hills in the deployment zone for this very reason
@@Become_The_Hero I must confess I'm only familiar with the map layouts in passing from having played on a few of them. Ive never bothered to look them up myself, tournament organisers or in this case Mordian normally set the table up around me 😅 or just I just "yea that looks fine" when playing with mates/stranger no matter what they've put out.
It's a testament to the scene that iv never knowingly had anyone try to get an advantage from terrain yet!
@@That_Rat_Bastrd amen to that.
Go imperial fists!!
the battle that broke mordians faith in the core tax unit (fr you don't want more than 25% points core for empire, or most armies really)
I love my Longbeards and Rangers in core 😬
@@highmarshalbalian680 they are ok for core, but like all "can be taken as core" units they aren't worth your limited special/rare budget.
@@highmarshalbalian680ok DWARFS with Drilled T4 asside lol
@@highmarshalbalian680 me too, but they are also Special and Rare
You can take 1 of each in core
Corehammer, the best kind of Warhammer.
I will say that total war warhammer devolves into the same thing with doomstacks.
Oh, you didn't learn your lesson from the first time?
Mordian kicked my teeth in with his Beastmen the first time I played him 😅
@@That_Rat_Bastrd yea not empire tho lol
Really love your content! But i would love if your old world content would continue with the more competitive focus. Like you have been doing. But give me more!❤
o7
No more Corehammer, Humanthing, yes, yes.
Core hammer is fully painted and based
Someone get Mordian's Empire General a Demigryph mount please! So much better value than the Duellists Blades! Also every time Mordian fired the mortar he never seemed to gt the benefit of hitting some poor rat man under the hole in the template?