All this is deeply true. In the loneliness of materialsim you find that what is left is the unconditional love of Jesus Christ, the center and creator of our universe.
Hmm in the Christian/European courtly love tradition however, or even as Socrates says in Plato’s Symposium, Love/Eros is suppose to wake us up to the greater and greater aspects of our selves and spur us on to greater and greater deeds until we achieve consummation! Then the two become one flesh.
To assert this is a Buddhist and religious illusion and indoctrination. Who affirms that it is necessary to turn away from the senses and the objects of the senses. There is no truth but perspectives. In many Tantric traditions, for example, the body is celebrated as a temple and a vehicle of light.
Yeah I just wrote something quite similar, this is not the attitude in the Christian, Platonic, or Courtly Love tradition in Europe where Eros/Romantic Love spurs us on to greater and greater deeds in order for us to reach the fulfillment out of purposes. Assuming one is called to Marriage, that sort of Union. That’s my feeling anyway!
Roger, that's a good question, and very difficult to address.. Figure that out later. Put down the bong, get a good night's sleep and feel better tomorow.
He’s teaching his student that the type fo romantic love he has asked about requires both to see themselves as separate/alone/desolate...or they wouldn’t see and feel the strong desire to be brought together and bind to the other. Buddhist meditation works on a number of qualities at multiple levels of mind with a strong set of “tools” of sorts for helping students unburden themselves of the dualistic view (seeing ourselves as separate from others). We arise compassion in practice to arise bodhicitta, which includes an appreciation and love for all people, and an understanding the universal properties of suffering... As students, you’d not really know where your efforts are guiding you if you simply try to first resolve your feelings of loneliness and the associated sadness it can bring by grabbing onto a partner to resolve that loneliness existing in you before you make the efforts to practice. Instead, he encourage working with the loneliness...feeling it, and working with it in your practice to understand it, and release it. It is much better to ground yourself in this way regardless if you chose to later live as partners with someone else or not at all.
Chogyam Trungpa I can give you the title the pope of Rome and also I can give Roger Dobs the title pope of Rome and then You and Dobs can fight it out in the market place. Is this love?
Someone enlighten me. He seemed to repeat each question back to the asker... or merely define a term. Filler con artist fluff talk. What am I missing. Lol. Tough to take this stuff seriously... 🤣
You can find a lot of things you could call Chögyam Trungpa to slander him with some basis, but ”con artist” would not be one of them. And at least in the light of his Shambhala teachings, this was all very understandable. What part did you not get?
I don't think its our business jugde who is a con man or not, pick the good and leave the rest, what a con man motivation and intention is there karma, its not your right to judge, just work on yourself and keep moving forward. We should put judgement on ourselves first, what is my reason for talking ill of a dead man? Does my ego enjoy finding flaws in others to avoid my own flaws? Let's ask ourselves those questions.
Trungpa Rinpoche was a known drug addict, alcoholic, and fornicator. He ordered his guards to break down the room door the poet W.S Merwin and his girlfriend, drag them into a circle of cheering followers, and be stripped naked. Happy listening to this enlightened genius of morality...
+Shalice Pierre Your narrative is lacking dimension and your truth is just one part of the elephant. It's a good thing your morality is impeccable though. A more complete narrative is here: www.litkicks.com/MerwinNaropa
This is the same article I read before posting, and does not contradict anything I said. And my morality is superior to anyone's who would instruct a mob to forcibly remove someone's clothing.
"drug addict"? Explain please. But did you hope this man Chogyam would be God? That Chogyam and all his dharma progeny would be "perfect"? Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was human; a mere man- and one who had to study with several teachers and schools just to learn to speak English! Clearly no god of any worth. Even I learned to speak English as a mere child. As long as we want, seek or insist on gods, perfection, or any idealistic imaginary *things* and people, our grasping controls our feeling for the actual 3Jewels: buddha, sangha, dharma. Sangha especially can be a real bitch- as hard as the guru who invites us to become uncomfortable. What Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was: brilliant, unique, confident, a ceaseless worker, a visionary, a terton, an artist of endless invention, a crazy-wisdom master - and the 11th Trungpa tulku in Kham, one of the most traditional and rural regions of Tibet. That tulku thang doesn't "just happen" . . .
Morality is for the masses who cannot think properly. So what, what's your ponit? Because he was all these, he doesn't have any grounding in the Dharma? You have a lot to learn.
"I don't think anybody can fall in love unless they feel lonely." True words.
that was so profound, wasnt it?
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All this is deeply true. In the loneliness of materialsim you find that what is left is the unconditional love of Jesus Christ, the center and creator of our universe.
There's just unconditional love there's nobody for it to belong to
What you want is peace of mind!
Thank you.
Compassion is try to put yourself on the other shoes
Hmm in the Christian/European courtly love tradition however, or even as Socrates says in Plato’s Symposium, Love/Eros is suppose to wake us up to the greater and greater aspects of our selves and spur us on to greater and greater deeds until we achieve consummation! Then the two become one flesh.
Excellent
there is no love in human flesh, it is all loneliness. any semblance of love is shared illusion
Oscar Travis true
To assert this is a Buddhist and religious illusion and indoctrination. Who affirms that it is necessary to turn away from the senses and the objects of the senses.
There is no truth but perspectives.
In many Tantric traditions, for example, the body is celebrated as a temple and a vehicle of light.
Yeah I just wrote something quite similar, this is not the attitude in the Christian, Platonic, or Courtly Love tradition in Europe where Eros/Romantic Love spurs us on to greater and greater deeds in order for us to reach the fulfillment out of purposes. Assuming one is called to Marriage, that sort of Union. That’s my feeling anyway!
*The fulfillment of our greatest purpose.
you should have met him Heinz. he was quite something
Subtitles would come in very handy... His English is not easy to understand.
It is subtitled...just put them on 😊
Ösel Tendzin helped a few people with their loneliness...Trungpa used the bottle.
Cluttering of the mind will not lead to love!
A quote you may enjoy 'Let your ambition be the achievement on earth of a heavenly civilisation' [Bahai writings]
Hunh 🐝🐝
February 2021.
What is Love?
Roger, that's a good question, and very difficult to address.. Figure that out later. Put down the bong, get a good night's sleep and feel better tomorow.
What is love? Baby don’t hurt me. Don’t hurt me, no more.
What is not love
What about breathing on the grounds!
How well the desire to kill Roger Dobs would like to be an intense intention that can controlled?
🤔🌱💚🌸😃
What about peace?
Mined
What is so spectacular about his answer? I just don't get it. I'm not impressed.
He’s teaching his student that the type fo romantic love he has asked about requires both to see themselves as separate/alone/desolate...or they wouldn’t see and feel the strong desire to be brought together and bind to the other. Buddhist meditation works on a number of qualities at multiple levels of mind with a strong set of “tools” of sorts for helping students unburden themselves of the dualistic view (seeing ourselves as separate from others). We arise compassion in practice to arise bodhicitta, which includes an appreciation and love for all people, and an understanding the universal properties of suffering... As students, you’d not really know where your efforts are guiding you if you simply try to first resolve your feelings of loneliness and the associated sadness it can bring by grabbing onto a partner to resolve that loneliness existing in you before you make the efforts to practice. Instead, he encourage working with the loneliness...feeling it, and working with it in your practice to understand it, and release it. It is much better to ground yourself in this way regardless if you chose to later live as partners with someone else or not at all.
Good
love=intercourse
Chogyam Trungpa I can give you the title the pope of Rome and also I can give Roger Dobs the title pope of Rome and then You and Dobs can fight it out in the market place. Is this love?
Someone enlighten me. He seemed to repeat each question back to the asker... or merely define a term. Filler con artist fluff talk. What am I missing. Lol. Tough to take this stuff seriously... 🤣
Perhaps you don't have to take yourself so seriously either?
You can find a lot of things you could call Chögyam Trungpa to slander him with some basis, but ”con artist” would not be one of them. And at least in the light of his Shambhala teachings, this was all very understandable. What part did you not get?
I'm thinking Lojong.
I had the same reaction. Anybody could have said these things. If this is an enlightened guru, then I think people are delusional.
I don't think its our business jugde who is a con man or not, pick the good and leave the rest, what a con man motivation and intention is there karma, its not your right to judge, just work on yourself and keep moving forward. We should put judgement on ourselves first, what is my reason for talking ill of a dead man? Does my ego enjoy finding flaws in others to avoid my own flaws? Let's ask ourselves those questions.
Trungpa Rinpoche was a known drug addict, alcoholic, and fornicator. He ordered his guards to break down the room door the poet W.S Merwin and his girlfriend, drag them into a circle of cheering followers, and be stripped naked. Happy listening to this enlightened genius of morality...
+Shalice Pierre Your narrative is lacking dimension and your truth is just one part of the elephant. It's a good thing your morality is impeccable though.
A more complete narrative is here: www.litkicks.com/MerwinNaropa
This is the same article I read before posting, and does not contradict anything I said. And my morality is superior to anyone's who would instruct a mob to forcibly remove someone's clothing.
"drug addict"? Explain please.
But did you hope this man Chogyam would be God? That Chogyam and all his dharma progeny would be "perfect"?
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was human; a mere man- and one who had to study with several teachers and schools just to learn to speak English! Clearly no god of any worth. Even I learned to speak English as a mere child.
As long as we want, seek or insist on gods, perfection, or any idealistic imaginary *things* and people, our grasping controls our feeling for the actual 3Jewels: buddha, sangha, dharma. Sangha especially can be a real bitch- as hard as the guru who invites us to become uncomfortable.
What Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was: brilliant, unique, confident, a ceaseless worker, a visionary, a terton, an artist of endless invention, a crazy-wisdom master - and the 11th Trungpa tulku in Kham, one of the most traditional and rural regions of Tibet.
That tulku thang doesn't "just happen" . . .
Morality is for the masses who cannot think properly.
So what, what's your ponit?
Because he was all these, he doesn't have any grounding in the Dharma?
You have a lot to learn.
Shalice Pierre pure ad hominem...
Excellent