Using MACHIAVELLI To DOMINATE Crusader Kings 3!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- I read Niccolò Machiavelli's "The Prince" to learn lessons to apply in CK3. Using a mix of diplomacy and intrigue and their associated abilities we forge powerful alliances and put our dynasty members and children on the thrones of the most powerful Empires and Kingdoms of Medieval Europe.
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Just as an FYI, Machiavelli actually said being *both* loved and feared is the best option. It's just that those are often not compatible, depending on the situation, and being feared is safer.
Being a complete monster rarely earns one friendship, but it is more reliable than friendship to get things done.
Ultimately, Machiavelli approves of "tough but fair", be rewarding to those who do right by you, and ruthless to those who do wrong by you.
This is correct and which is why I said when being faced with “a dichotomy of being loved or feared”. (But it’s not always a dichotomy) The part I am quoting in the video states “when either must be dispensed with”. In the playthrough I tried to get positive opinion and dread but it wasn’t always possible
@@MellowScot ye I was just reiterating was all :)
I loved the video, and it's giving me a few ideas for my own game in CK3.
Italy is one of my favorite regions to play in, and the Dukes of Tuscany and Friuli look awfully tempting for a game
I also believe Machiavelli didn't totally shun mercenaries. Rather the issue was with the idea that you would be fielding more mercenaries than your own forces. Or in general, being overly reliant on a force stronger than yourself to win a war.
@@williamclark7872 He was so strong about about not wanting mercenaries because the Italian states had grown so reliant on them.
Most Italian states preferred to hire Italian Condontierri and foreign mercenaries from across the medieval world and neglected their own domestic militaries because of that. Mercenaries can be bought off, but a professional army made by locals has near undying loyalty when fighting for their home
@@noahjohnson935 Exactly.
Ironically, CK2 represented the consequences of using mercenaries better than CK3. In CK3 the most that will happen is that they leave after their contract is over... in CK2 they can declare war on you to hijack your duchies if you run out of money to pay them.
My man went full Supervillain,
"You're a murderer!"
"That is correct, and the same fate will befall you."
it's so weird after playing assassin's creed brotherhood to see Machieveli's name his children after the Borgia
Yeah I remember that game fondly. I also named a few after the Sforza's
@@MellowScot hope you did the whole recquiescat in pace thing with all those murders you did lmaoo
Cesare means Caesar.
@@MARK-gp9hb yeah and Cesare Borgia was the antagonist of AC Brotherhood
Assassins creed villainization of the borgias was hyperbolic to say the least
You should do a run based off Shakespeare's Macbeth, start off as a Duke, usurp your liege's throne through intrigue, then go on a paranoia induced reign of terror.
he should use the england only mod too
Fun fact, unless I am a complete moron (which is possible), the grandson of MacBeth is actually alive as the duke of Moray (Murray) in the North of Scotland, his family used to rule Scotland until the Dunkelds kicked them out a few years prior to game start
Okay so Shakespeare nerd time I did a run as the character Fleance from Macbeth in the 1066 start, I customized him to be a witch and used him to take over the Scottish throne. The idea is that in Macbeth he is told that Banquo's children would be kings after him, (which there actually is some history too but lets ignore that) which means that in Macbeth cannon Fleance should become king
“Would I rather be feared or loved? Easy. Both. I want people to be afraid of how much they love me.”
Calm down Miquella
This is way better than the lectures on The Prince that I had earlier this semester
The show “How the Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom” is also good.
@Riz The main character has such a dry personality that I quite frankly don't get any interest out of his implementation of realism. He can give a summary of an idea from the Prince and instead of being intrigued and excited to see him implement it, I'm just bored.
@@storytellingchampion6438 Bro the average human has a boring personality. You just dont like reality.
This deserves like atleast a hundred thousand views. Keep these videos going and you will deserve a hundred thousand subs.
Wow thanks for this - hope so that would be a record for me!
Yeah you are right. It's weird how his Videos doesn't gain traction
@@markdombrovan8849 someone just doesn't appreciate good classical music...
Fun fact: The Prince is a book "in the middle", Machiavelli was writing this other book whose i don't rember the name and, just to have a break from It, he started writing The Prince, which was considered by himself a minor book while the other one his lifetime masterpiece. How funny The Prince became an Immortal book while the other one i don't even remember the name.
There is a theory that said that machiavelli has wrote a book about republics (like "the prince" but talks about how to manage a republic) only that the book was lost and the only way we know about it is a passage from the prince were macchiavelli said that he has alredy talk about republics but there are no book before the prince were macchiavelli talk specifically about republics
The book is Discourses of Livy. It's similar to The Prince except instead of advising the reader how to rule a monarchial principality, it deals instead with the idea of a republic (the book also doubles as something of a history of Rome as the representative ideal of a republic)
@@tmage23 your not wrong, because the Discourses of Livy was published in 1531 and the prince in 1532, but the prince was written in the year 1513 and the Discourses of Livy in 1517, the point were he stated that he has already talk about republics is in the 3 chapter and the prince is a small book (even tho is filled with content); some historians have theorize that Machiavelli has integrate the Discourses of Livy his book about republic, is there is something wrong with my text let me know and i will fix it, anyway thank man 👍👍👍👍
The prince was a gift to Lorenzo de Medici
Enjoyed the video, good concept, music and a more menacing voice than usual to match.
I'd consider this one a thematic successor to the ten commandments video, both adopting codes of conduct from the time period and applying them to a CK3 playthrough. I'd love to see more of this in the future!
You’ve essentially broken down my thought process that led to this video and indeed there is more to come in this style!
i’m a political science major and i tried this when i was taking a theory class that covered Machiavelli. it’s very fun and the prince has to be the greatest cover letter ever
A genuinely unique idea, very well executed. Would love to see more playthroughs using the philosophies of other statesman. Maybe Bismarck if it's not too anachronistic?
Anachronistic is fine my next video is going to be seriously anachronistic (although not a ck3 one). I’ll take a look and see if his can work with the game rules, that’s the main issue with these but I like doing them
My favorite tidbit relating to Machiavelli is that Friedrich the Great wrote a book denouncing The Prince, yet as a ruler he embodied Machiavelli's prince.
Keep up the image right 😂
A really unique and cool idea, and the editing is on point (as always)!
Thanks a tonne!
Having read The Price, it's super cool to see someone take a very specific approach to it :D Definitely have to pick it up again sometime to refresh my memory on it.
Literally just started reading this in a class and I was thinking about ck3 the whole time lol
Glad it was actually somewhat informative!
W idea W execution 👑
Thanks a bunch!
I personally take heart in his advice on being ruthless.
You never should be evil just for the sake of evil but when you must be evil then you *Must* go to the end no half measures.
Robert Greene's 40 laws of power (or warfare? Can never remember) could also be interesting for a video like this.
Amazing video, awesome concept and very good execution. I'm surprised you aren't one of the top CK3 content creators on the platform!
Wow this is praise indeed a thanks a tonne!
I understand it’s not the point but Machiavelli was not actually for ‘the ends justifies the means’, it is closer to say that he believed that desperate times call for desperate means. He himself was an avid supporter of republicanism, being apart of the Florentine republic until the Medici’s return to power which at that point he was exiled. He attempted to use the Prince as a way to show his worth to the Medici, but also, if read with a knowing eye, it is very obvious a lot of rhetoric is at work. He was a lawyer as his foremost profession is accurate to state that the Prince wasn’t just a guide for the new Medici but also as a way to educate the common people how to prepare against the rulers and their plots. (He was also a massive Rome-aboo, he often times cosplayed as a Roman Senator and wrote often to his friends how you have not felt true joy until you have done so.)
So yeah he was a big fan of democracy and was actually against what he was writing about in the Prince. Basically Machiavelli wasn’t a Machiavellian individual.
Yeah this is true, and it wasn’t him that said “ends justify the means” - that phrase was attributed to him from readers of the prince, it is not a direct quote. I would say he probably still operated with a machiavellian understanding of how some of the more nefarious characters of the time operated during his time in office as chancellor for the florentine republic, which would have been prudent. There are some things in the book such as where he forms a strong militia to defend the city as opposed to mercs which he directly applied as opposed to applying the advice of some of the darker chapters.
@@MellowScotTbf from what I understand, the scale of how much he was perceived to have conducted himself this way, was also influenced by the fact that like... he was the only one to *say* that authority figures were operating like this, and saying it was mostly the thing he was condemned for. He stuck out like a sore thumb because he exposed the underbelly of the era's politics - in a time when the accepted social performance was to treat any 'princes' as moral/religious figureheads, ordained by god, over people who held a more tangible or (physically) enforceable authority.
Like, he was perceived as aberrant for thinking the way he did because everyone else pretended to think in a completely different way, or else self-deluded and bought into their own hype about being anointed by god (or had crises of guilt if they behaved in a Machiavellian way they knew god wouldn't have approved of, which I think Henry VII was especially fond of doing). He was singled out as an example of 'I can't BELIEVE this guy Literally thinks that way, it's so immoral!' as though nobody else was functionally conducting themselves in the exact same way, and I think that influences how much he was perceived to have adhered to his observations in his own life.
Love the music you use for the background of your videos man especially the use Dies Irae, i was getting really invested. Keep up the great work
Thanks a bunch, I enjoy doing the music for these
This was great! Very unique idea and it worked very well👍🏽
Thanks I just went with my gut and took a risk on this one!
I really love this episode.
I regularly come back to it.
the effort put into this video deserves so many more views
Thanks a bunch!
Machieveli never said the ends justify the means. He said the princes methods will be praised if he succeeds. The means clearly matter.
This was so well done "Prince" or should I say Emperor!
As someone who has recently studied Machiavelli, this was very entertaining 👍
i see playing ck3 as machiavelli just just how i play ck3 normally
This is my new meta
Quality content 🫵🏼💋
Thanks so much!!
1:25 Foreigner here is referring to someone from a different nationality. So, you should take care that none of the French kings gain a foothold in Italy.
Machiavelli wrote his work when the French had done just that: gained a foothold in Italy.
You can work with the duke of Spoleto and the Papacy, but you should do so in a way that weakens them so that you can become their leader.
2:16 Either the territories you acquire will have the same culture as your own, or they will not. It is easier to hold territories that have the same culture as the rest of your territories.
This excerpt is not about a ruler learning a foreign language. It is encouraging rulers to unite a culture. Machiavelli's stated goal was to unify Italy. The book was written in Italian. This is an argument to unify the peninsula.
2:46 Are these actions good-fortune, or are they the result of your ability? The actions were:
Assassinating a foreign ruler. This was the result of your ability in intrigue.
Having a genius daughter. This is the result of your ability in picking a proper wife, and picking the family focus. There is nothing else you could have done.
You learned the French language. This is the result of dedicated hours learning it. People don't learn languages by happenstance. There is nothing else you could have done.
You fabricated a claim. This is, more than the other outcomes, a mixture of your ability and good fortune as you cannot control as you cannot control whether to fabricate a claim on a county or duchy, aside from having a bishop with higher learning.
The quote is about doing all that you can to avoid issues that can arise through chance. It is about increasing your capabilities so that you do not have to rely on fortune, although you must take advantage of it when it arises.
I don't see how this quotation is relevant to the situation you find yourself in.
3:14 You declare war on Spoleto because in times of peace you have been preparing for war?
This works somewhat, but would have been better placed in a time of peace, while increasing retinues or military buildings.
4:06 This was done rather well. No issues here.
All good points - I will say however it was a nightmare trying to weave everything into the game given the mechanics and still allow the video to flow, which is why some of the quotes ended up a bit tenuous. Some things I had to totally through out like not using fortresses which is pretty unavoidable if you play into late game.
Genuinely great video
Thanks a tonne!
I did a campaign based off of Sun Tazoo, the Chinese Prince Machiavelli
Just wait for my next video XD
@@MellowScot I was just quoting The Sopranos, but I respect the hustle
Wow! I loved this content.
You really do have the coolest video concepts mate
Thanks I like to try and be original, last ck3 video I tried copying a popular idea and it kind of flopped so back to going with my gut
@@MellowScot I'll watch either way jud
The Prince for Ck3, Discourses Of Marcus Livius Drusus for Civ6
This is a masterpiece
Thanks a bunch!
That was fantastic 🙌
Thanks!
Amazing!
Thanks!
Great vid
Thanks!
Would love more of those
I have a few more similar ideas 😉
Grade A content! The music selection was on point. Love it!!
Thanks, really enjoyed creating the soundtrack
This was awesome 👏
Wow thanks!
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Excellent idea for a video, and well executed as well! May I suggest an "Art of War" theme as a future video?
I have some more of these lined up 😉
@@MellowScot Excellent! I'm looking forward to those.
Excellent video.
Thank you so much!
Missed chance to call the twins Romolo and Remo
Yeah but Francesco Sforza and Cesare Borgia are two people mentioned a lot in the Prince
i love the way you edit your videos
Thank you so much!
Haven't finished the video, already upvoted for the background music. Classical is the best.
This one really let me pick some of my favourite pieces
Very good
Thanks a tonne!
Quality content
Thanks a bunch!
Man this video is so great, the music hits so hard its amazing
Thank you enjoyed making the soundtrack!
more videos like this please love this
Got more coming!
Really great stuff!
Thank you!
this video is a masterpiece! 👏🏻
hope to see more👌🏻
Thanks so much!
Cool little detail some people might have missed is Tywin Lannister is based on Machiavelli's "The Prince" and You can clearly see it in this video that Your character acted like him
Yeah I can definitely see that, a lot of the GOT characters exhibit a bit of this - how about Varys and Littlefinger?
@@MellowScot To be fair even though they are very cunning I would not agree because they were not in the position of a ruler and if i remember correctly Machavelli detested the idea of ruling from the shadow
You could definitely call him "Machiavellian", but he'd make a pretty sloppy follower of Machiavelli's actual principles of statesmanship. That line when he's gutting the stag - "a lion shouldn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep" - says it all. Totally antithetical to what Machiavelli states in some of the later chapters of The Prince.
Now that's a quality content boys, subscribed
Thanks a tonne!
Damn. Very good video. You deserve more recognition 👏🏿
Thanks so much!
Now apply Cao Caos strategies.
I don't think you can flood entire cities in ck3
You RESTORED R O M E
Just found your channel via this video. This was a fun watch, and surprisingly more effective than I was expecting. (I can only imagine the 'well you see, what happened was...' stories that came from some of those blackmails.
Quite a fun run. Maybe do one for Cicero?
What works by Cicero do you think would work? Haven’t read any of it
@@MellowScot he wrote a lot of books but On Government is probably the first choice?
I think you should do a same video but in EU4, machiavelli has wrote the prince during the strat of the reinassante era in florence, most of the country and even site in the book took place after CK3,anyway great video 👍👍👍👍
I was actually thinking about doing this as there's a few different mechanics that can be focused on like mothballing forts etc. which you can't do in CK3 but then you don't get all the character specific stuff like being feared
I wonder what episode is next after this🤔 ahaha love the video idea though❤
Well there will be a project zomboid one first with a bit of a ck3 twist then who knows???
This was very creative and interesting.
Thanks for your work, man, keep it up!
Thanks so much!
The Old Fritz wrote the Anti-Macchiavelli could this work CK3 as well, i wonder.
2:47 Gamer moment
In Machiavelli defence, he didnt wrote a guide, he exposed the crimes nobles have to do to remain in power, or gain it, he indulged in a bit of a trolling
Loved this video. Excellent music choice too. What's the track at 7:23?
It's a bit from the Barber Of Seville Overture - Rossini
I’ve never been good at the whole infiltrating a dynasty to take over an empire/kingdom.
Lots of gold and anything to give intrigue boosts help - it’s good to be spymaster for your liege if you have one
This was a really well done video! Good work! :3
Thanks so much!
great vid
Thank you!
You are going to be a huge youtuber in the future. Editing too good, nice video
Wow massive praise thanks a tonne!
I don't think Machiavelli is implying that you should never use mercs, but that you shouldn't use them as your main force
If they're used to make battles easier, rather than as necessary for victory, you preserve more of your power as you lose less of your proper soldiers
I had another look at the chapter, he definitely thinks risky and dangerous and best avoided, but I can’t see objecting to a very small portion of the army
Glad I stumbled on this video! Amazing editing and presentation! You're gonna gro fast if you continue on this road!
Wow thank you!
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Great scenario! Made me come down here to comment.
Thanks a bunch!
Ahh yes you just like to see it don't ya. More hilariously funny over the top challenges nobody thought of but everybody wanted
Awesome video!
Thanks so much!
You gained a loyal subscriber
Glad you enjoyed this!
I feel you should've gave my guy the poet trait
Ah yeah and getting journaller from stress would have been nice
Please make more videos like this 🙏🙏🙏
Will do! Working on one now
Now play Hoi4 using Clausewitz.
Not a bad idea actually
Great video idea!
Thanks so much!
@@MellowScotdo you plan on going further with this type of video? I would love to see more historical texts-meet ck3 videos.
Yeah I have a few more ideas for this lined up
@@MellowScot nice, can't wait
How effective would Machevilli’s tactics work in Africa?
I will never play it any other way. 10/10, would commit unspeakable atrocities again.
Idk if this is a good challenge, but I would be interested in seeing like a "One child per ruler" challenge. It would be interesting seeing how much time the dynasty could continue like that, but maybe that's too narrow. 😅
Not a bad idea would be good if we had china on the map for that one
@@MellowScot it was just a suggestion, don't worry if you can't do it, I subscribed anyway 😁
This its art
Why thank you!
@@MellowScot Not necesary bruh
Next the art of war
Now do "Using Sun Tzu's Art of War to dominate Total Warhammer 3"
I wish there was an historical version, might also do this for bannerlord
@@MellowScot There is Total War: Three kingdoms, don't know why I chose warhammer in the first place
Really good video, but as you said in the start Machiavelli advises against using auxiliary soldiers (aka soldiers you get from alliances) so you shouldn’t have used them in the end with war with the Byzantine Empire.
I took that to mean auxiliaries in the sense the Romans used them or as in leased troops from foreign powers rather than directly under their control.
Wait, this isn't just how everyone plays?
I never knew marrying your sons and duaghters is this important , you got an empire just by marriage
I actually think diplo and fertility are very underrated
10/10
Thanks!!
Machiavelli 🗿🗿🗿
What is the name of the music 2:40? The piece sounds extremely familiar but I unfortunately can’t remember the name. Great video btw!
2nd movement of beethoven’s 7th Symphony!
-Be italian.
-open a video about playing a strategy game following the example of a famous book.
-first thing the narrator does is mispronouncing in the most ear drilling way the name of the author of said book.
-leave a comment
*dies of cringe*
The video is great tho
how is it actually meant to be pronounced? I looked up the pronunciation from a youtube video but maybe it was a troll video judging by the comments!
ruclips.net/video/k2hXc_CVkSs/видео.html someone's already made a video saying it is basically disinformation XD
What is the name of the music in the beginning of the video? Kinda cool
That’s dance of the knights from the ballet romeo and juliet by prokofiev
You're on a good track, this video is well made. I will give you one piece of advice: either invest in a new mic, or spend some of your time researching how to improve your audio settings.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to describe it, but listening to your voice with good headsets is a little uncomfortable because of the "rough edges" of your voice audio. If you improve that, I think you're set.
Good luck with your channel!
Might need a new mic in that case as I’ve mastered the audio as much as possible using various techniques while trying to achieve clarity. My voice is also a bit resonant which I try to tone down in the settings to make sure the words are more easily distinguishable. Audio is so crucial so I shall try a few different settings and see if I can get it right
Wait, there is other ways to play CK3 than machiavelist?
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