Ok but all AMD has to do is just drop prices after super series is announced. There is still a gap in time before review embargos lift and if AMD drops prices in that gap, the reviews will have to deal with the new prices.
For what the 7900XTX is faster than the 4080 which costs 200 dollars more and the 4090 is at most 25 percent faster for 1000 dollars more when you can just turn on AFMF with the 7900XTX and be faster than the 4090 all AMD cards scaling down will be a card ahead of Nvidia because of it.
@@user-ll4wu3kb2m buying expensive things doesn't mean they're "Of higher quality" either. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂use more emojis next time in emphasizes what you said
you think the world only revolves around gamers ? did you forgot about heavy productivity user,3d artists and such ? ofc they would go Nvidia and has higher marketshare since Nvidia covers all and not just gamers like AMD does
Do you have to comment under every comment in this video? are you bored? , only in 3d work nvidia is actually worth the price, but all other than that, NO, my 7900xtx outperforms the 4080 by around 5% and was 500$ cheaper than the cheapest 4080 ? Id buy a 4080 if it was 62% faster, because it costs 62% more in my country.
Apparently, here in Germany, the most intersting Card, which is the 4070 ti super, will cost around 1000€. Meanwhile, the 7800xt is at 550€. So, the price increase for a better Ray Tracing in Germany is double the price. 100% price increase for better Ray Tracing. If you support that, it's your fault that those prices will stay this way forever.
@@UdoLattek02 wohlgemerkt wird die normale 4070 Super an die 850 aufwärts kosten wenn man den leaks aus der Schweiz vertraut. Die 4070ti super demnach 1100
7800XT performs much worse than the 4070ti super which is expected to match the 4080. Sounds like a germany skill issue, over here regular 4070ti costs 800€. If the pricing remains the same as the original this will make it the most affordable top-tier card without having to dip into the thousands.
For months pretty much all I see is videos about cards that many people can't afford. Still absolutely not interested in this Super refresh or ANY card above 500$ regardless of who made it. Would have considered a 4060Super as my next card, but as it is now - there will not be a purchase by me at all for the near future and I will keep using my affordable 1660Super in 2024.
I don't think there will ever be a decent card for 500 ever again. Unless looking at the used market. All the people buying cards at scalped prices during the plandemic changed the field forever..
From what I understand, the RTX4080 shipped with Micron GDDR6X RAM rated for 24Gbps and was under-clocked to 22.4Gbps. The RTX4080 Super seems to be using the same hardware.
I don't see a problem at all, you can do it yourself easily. I've always done this on the last 4 Nvidia GPUs and it's always the same regardless of the memory type (GDDR5 GTX 1070 +500, GDDR5X 1080ti +500, GDDR6 RTX 2060S +700 (Micron), GDDR6 RTX 2080ti +1000 (Samsung), there's plenty of space left for oveclock. It's the same with this generation, any RTX 4080 clocks memory without problems in 3 mouse clicks, the vast majority of them can clock memory for +1500mhz without problems, and I have also seen +2000. Mine is overclocked for +1500mhz from the stock 22.4Gbps to 25.4Gbps for a year now, I have no problems like with any of those before. As far as I remember, GTX 1060 came with 8Gbps, later versions were already overclocked out of the box by +500 to 9Gbps, same as GTX 1080ti 10Gbps later by +500 to 11Gbps. Nothing new for Nvidia, it has already become standard practice.
lol.. "new" model? Because they give you like 5-10% more speed and they will charge you 30% more for the same architecture? lol.. "new"......@@stangamer1151
@GenocideJooz Yes I know and I agree with you. I'm just saying there's nothing special with that VRAM that can't be achieved already. I also bought myself a highly binned DDR4 like Samsung B-die but we talked here about GDDR6X memory and not about DDR4/DRR5. GPU is not a CPU that does not depend on latency, that does not have latency performance penalties, but depends on raw bandwidth.
If amd does suffer a death blow, it's their own fault and they deserve it. When nvidia announced 40 series with very high prices, what amd did do? They followed the footsteps and launched their cards with high prices as well.
AMD sales are up, they have no where to go but up. Remember AMD is entering the results phase of chip-let design, where Nvidia is still making monolithic huge power draw cards. No one mentions the cards cracking under the weight of MONSTER heatsinks, the cards catching fire with the stupid 10 pin power connector, Nvidia blaming consumers for their terrible design cause REFLECTIONS Are cool BRUH
@@MachistmoCope. Nvidia is much more efficient than AMD this generation, and you don’t have to buy a card with a stupidly massive cooler. The Ventus 2x 4070 and 4070ti are smaller than AMD reference coolers for the 7800xt and 7900xt respectively. The 7900xtx has identically sized coolers as the 4080. AMD has no single fan cards this generation shorter than 200mm where Nvidia AIBs has 4060 and 4060ti models that fit in sub 5L cases. I hate Nvidia prices as much as the next guy, but they are absolutely putting out a better product if the rumored pricing is true for the super series.
Your guess is not good. If you positionned with the price and the performance you are talking about, its put these new refresh gpu's in a very bad spot in terms of fps/$. We already know that the 4070 Super gonna be at least 15% better and more arround 18%, so close to the 4070 ti (min 4 to 6%). Same for the 4070 ti, you cant place "just above the 7900XT" when the core increase + the memory bandwitch + memory size suggest at least a 15% increase in performance. Nvidia wants to kill the 7900XT not just to go above even more so when the price of the 7900XT is arround 750$, AMD could easily drop the price of this card and continue selling like pancakes. The 4070 Ti Super needs to be at least 6 to 8% better than the 7900XT to justify a +100 to 150$ price increase. Less than a 5% increase over the 7900XT would be a bad move.
@@ImaMac-PC How do you feel about the number of views of your videos? Quality and topic interest is provided by you... views or the algorithm blessing evolution is as good as AMD/NVIDIA new releases for you? A good new topic would be 8700G/8600G compared versus m2 pro/m3 and AMD Z1 Extreme (wich is the same silicon part in different setup). As a gaming device is just awful, expensive and non-sensical energy waster... but as the first alternative to Apple Silicon SoC for a budget is close enough, or closer than ever or anyother part (RTX 40 gpus play on their own league only comparable to M3 Max and Ultra, and may lose in the efficiency side, but win in raw performance/price)... 8700G underclocking to 15W-30W (Z1 optimal range) to 45W comaprable, the recommended 45 to 65W (that are 90W or short burst of 170W in linux) plus the OC and ram OC achieving deceptive rx6400 like perfromance at 156W overclock, more than 7800x3d and rx6400... there is plenty of marketing reviews out there but none points the actually realistic better characteristics of the newest silicon available on PC desktop (meteor lake is on laptop being deceptive the same or worse depending on case use or test, but is the best silicon tech availabel for Intel apu/ almost-SoC)... almost Apple's low end alike but more affordable even than MacMini, currently non existent under 2000€ or 1500€ for M3 variants on Mac...
The 4070 Ti Super genuinely looks interesting if it's at the right price. AD103 die with 16 GB vram and it also uses significantly less power than the 4080
It will perform at basically the same rate as the 4080 too, if you want a top-tier card without wasting any extra money this will be the go-to assuming ngreedia doesn't hike up the prices.
The Ti 'Super' name is a bit hard to swallow, but if it offers roughly the same performance as a 4080 (minus 1,300 CUDA cores and lower memory bandwidth and clocks), I might get that along with a 12VHPWR-compatible SFX power supply.
don't think so...these cards are supposed to be competition with AMDs lineup and we know as soon as these are announced AMD will cut prices. Why would I overpay for a 4070ti Super when the 7900xt will probably be $699? I understand GPUs as a whole are overpriced right now but that appears to be where we are and it's not going to change.
NGreedia intends to launch these cards at exactly the same price as the respective original cards. So they'll be way overpriced. NVidia isn't a graphics company anymore according to themselves. It's all about AI and the Chinese market (remember how they made a GPU specifically to sell to Chinese AI farms?)@@Liq38
I think Open Source FSR3 is making the case for DLSS 3.0 a bit moot. Is it better? Yes... Is it worth the premium? Nah... especially when it lets you use your older stuff for a bit longer. I think this release won't change a thing. With FSR3 becoming Open Source it's gonna be more likely to be implemented than DLSS 3 due to its compatibility. If anything, FSR3 is making the DLSS 3 lockdown look like a greedy move from big green. AMD should focus on the lower end which is what they're doing. They don't need to chase Nvidia on the top end. They already said that was not their priority this gen. Solid lower/mid end + Wide FSR 3 support IS a compelling offering. The Super line up? Not so much...
@@Eleganttf2 What other feature set is there that matters? Better RT? Nobody cares about ray tracing other than enthusiasts. None of these cards have enough power to make it attractive to the mainstream gamer. Not even the 4090. RT won't be a thing until the Pro consoles are released and developers are enticed to make games with it in mind from the start. RT won't be adopted because of PC hardware. That's not the paradigm we live in anymore. ALL of these cards are purposely crippled. I'm talking both AMD and Nvidia. They both could do a lot better than this but these are the scraps they're willing to offer us peasants who just have to suck it up and spend on this trash.
@@lammyjammer6670 OTHER feature like CUDA, Reflex, top notch encoder decoder NVENC support, generative ai support using pytorch which amd doesn't even support. My guy oh my gosh these idiots
@@Eleganttf2 um... most "idiot" gamers don't care about any of that and most of that stuff has an AMD equivalent. So... it doesn't really matter unless you have a particular use-case. Do you stream? You'll care about NVENC. Do you do AI or workloads that require GPU acceleration? CUDA is for you. For everyone else... they just want the best amount of frames per buck... Nvidia isn't offering that right now or even wants to... 😬
@@Eric-ct2ri What I am saying is there will come a time when an Nvidia 50 class card the lowest tiered card costs $1000 who really will fork over the money for a POS GPU ?
if you ever gonna feel yourself useless, remember there is a 4080 super out there. Practically having NO difference with original 4080, which can be overclocked & undervolted, and results between them will be within margin of error
4080 Super = Pointless 4070 TI Super = Likely completely overpriced, basically a 4080 Lite 4070 Super = Not enough ram The only good thing about this is, that the 4070 might finally be sold at an interesting price. Although 12GB simply is not appealing for a card in that segment. Second issue is that the RTX 4000 is not a new GPU anymore. I simply don't care very much about the 4000 series at this point anymore.
Sad for "I'm a Mac" and others here, the AMD 7900xtx is faster in Raster than the 4080 Super (especially more FPS percentage performance at 4K) and is still cheaper than the 4080 Super. The new 4080 Super OC cards are also more expensive than many 4080 OC cards in many locations and counties.
What a bizarre video and yet again people saying that the end is near. There is no incentive for Nvidia to kill off AMD or Intel in the graphics department, as governments around the world will step in to put heavy sanctions on Nvidia for having a monopoly position. Also, it baffles me how many Green Team fanboys there are in the comment section seemingly begging Nvidia to have a monopoly. Competition is good, we would not have had a decent gaming experience on Linux if it was for Nvidia, Freesync would have never been as popular, FSR for older gpu's (including Nvidia GPU's!!!), and more. Nvidia doesn't give a sh*t and wants to rip you off as much as possible at this point. People keep gobbling up the dumb and useless garbage that Nvidia keeps coming up with. How is Raytracing in any way a positive when it absolutely tanks the performance? How about the developers and game engine devs start working on a more efficient way to compute lighting instead of relying on a client side solution? How is DLSS superior when it requires AI/ML? It is only applicable to certain applications that have been fed through an AI/ML model to train itself on. I would much rather have AMD or Intel work on a more generic, opensource solution that can work in any situation or application. Nvidia has not in any way contributed to developing technologies that makes life for everyone better. G-sync, DLSS, RTX raytracing, CUDA, etc. are all technologies developed to be as exclusive as possible, and newer technologies are more exclusive then older ones (e.g. CUDA). Technologies that are developed to basically kill off older Nvidia products because of e.g. raytracing support or DLSS version Y, that is artificially made to be incompatible with older Geforce products. AMD has proven this with e.g. FreeSync and FSR, the older Geforce products are plenty capable, but Nvidia just cannot resist the money grab!
No thanks I'll stick with my RX6800 I got for under $400 bran new which is is around 5-10% slower than a 3080 & at 1440P is plenty strong enough. Plus I got a 16gb card without spending $1000+.
The only GPU that I am even interested in seeing take a price nosedive is the 4060Ti 16GB, as it's a compelling choice for an entry level edge-case media workstation. It would be nice if all cards dropped a pricing tier next week. For Gaming, I will wait for AMD price drops.
I keep seeing the arc 770 with 16gb for under $300. Considering the leaks of intel arc being compared to a 3070. I wonder if intel's battlemage will give more vram. Like 24gb or 32gb. If the drivers are stable. It could compete. The leaks are minimal and unclear. I remember the leaks for the nvidia turing gen being really bad. The 2070 having 7gb of vram. That's ridiculous.
@@purgedome2386 lol no with that raw power and bad generative ai support its badly overkill and stupid, atleast unlike 4060 Ti 16GB it can be used greatly to train AI models and stuff thanks to Nvidia's pytorch support
unfortunatelly the 4060Ti sucks for content creation. Even a RTX 3060/12GB can outperform the 4060Ti in some usecases. The limitations of the 4060Ti really makes it a bad choice, even on an entry level.
Amd could potentially make a 7950 xtx if they wanted to. Just like they did with the 6900xt last gen and came out with a 6950xt. Even a 7950 XT variant of the 7900 XT would be doable. We will have to see what happens..
A 7950 XTX would be 10% faster if AMD wants to keep the same power consumption. The 4080 SUPER is 8-10% faster than the 4080 as well so AMD will just match the performance while having inferior raytracing performance.
Not even that, the 4070S and 4080S barely had any upgrades over their original counterparts. 20gb + 320 bus and 16gb vram respectively would've made them worth the cost but like this they're just a waste of money.
When Nvidia does it, you eat it. The big tasteh CRAP SAMMY and you ASK for more. When AMD does it, its a cardinal sin. Yummeh Green garbage. The illusion of value.
@@Machistmo Problem with your statement is. I have never owned. an NVIDIA card And I've been. gaming since 2009 I go where the value is. And AMD has. always had the best value, but this. generation they fucked their selves With this, follow the leader pricing structure. I believe the RTX4090 is a $700 card So what do you think the 7900XTX is? $550 $600 at the most. AMD is extortion NVIDIA is just strong armed robbery.
Love the comparison slides, they bring your point home. I feel the unstated implication of Steam's hardware survey is people generally don't want to pay over a console price for a GPU alone.
They don't have to, the finest 1440p performance can be bought at console price or lower. The cards that go over that are for true 4k snobs like me. Still, won't catch me buying anything horribly overpriced aka over $850.
@@dominikweyand7497 it lets you play with games that support DLSS3 Frame Gen but it’s replaced with FSR3 Frame Gen and you can use DLSS2 Quality with it
@@dominikweyand7497 There is a mod on nexusmod (there are a lot of videos on youtube on it) which lets you use the FSR 3 Frame Generation on older cards for any game which uses DLSS 3.0 Frame Generation. It is very easy to install and doubles your Frames. Since it is a mod, there sometimes might be artifacts but it works.
From what I've heard, Navi 4C (used for 41 and 42) ran into technical issues so they had to cancel it. If what I'm hearing is correct, AMD was overcomplicating the design and it backfired. They were basically going to chiplets of chiplets. Their lower tier RDNA 4 (43 and 44) is monolithic. So they have to cancel high end Navi 4 and regroup for Navi 5. Assuming all these rumors are true, of course. There is also that new patent for GPU technology filed by AMD. So in short, they're trying, but it looks like maybe they just tried too hard.
AMD needs to give us a 7950xtx of sort. A card with 7900xtx or better raster performance along with better ray tracing performance and efficiency of rdna 4. Something like that at the right price would hold them over, say $900?
I saw that , I was surprised how aggressive that design was but I suspect they cancelled because it was too costly to make and didn't fit well with their wider plans , especially for laptop chips. They do have something in their back pocket so I hope it reappears in the future.
p.s a 8700xt priced around $400 with performance similar to the 7900xt (4070ti) and 16GB of 24Gbps gddr6x would be very disruptive. Even more so than the 5700xt IMO.
@@cjpp78ytubeYeah, I was surprised there weren't any models ending in 50 in the 7000 series. I also wasn't expecting the 7600XT and all the non-XT releases either that came out of nowhere all the sudden. Maybe they'll make a 50 model at some point, who knows?
@@tourmaline07Yeah, RDNA4 is a new generation, even at lower tiers, so that could have a good price/performance if things go well. No idea what the general price market will look like for next gen though.
I've bought the r9 380x, rx 580, and rx 6600. But now I'm looking for a power efficient 16gb card for around $500... Maybe I just undervolt an rx 7800 xt? I was excited for the super variants, but the prices are too high. I use a lot of vram for my hobbies.
AMD cards can be very power efficient with some undervolting and underclocking. My 7900 xtx eats 200-250w during gaming. If I remember correctly the benchmark score dropped only like 7% with this heavy underclocking and the card runs cool & quiet.
At least for me it comes down to performance per $. With the currently agressive pricing of their ARC cards, I have high hopes for Battlemage. They might just take the crown.
Here is the thing, if NVidia really wanted to deliver the death blow to AMD, they would make the 4080 with at least 20 GB of vram. Sure the super will be faster, but the 7900 xtx has 24 GB of vram! This means you will be future proofed for quite a while. Nvidia doesn’t want cards that are future proofed though. They want them to be obsolete in about 3-4 years so you buy another one. If you like Nvidia as company and have no problem shoveling them money, then that is fine. But if you want longevity and performance, AMD is the way to go.
AMD will be fine. They're targeting the middle-low range segment which is around 80% of the gaming market segment, and they're also currently leading on CPU and iGPU market. I switch off between AMD and Nvidia GPU as I upgrade or build every 2 gens and now I'm currently on 7800xt from my 2070. And as for Intel competing with AMD in GPU? Not with their current state. I'll give it another 2 gens before Intel actually being able to compete with AMD on the GPU department.
Market share of GPUs tells a different story. Intel is way closer to AMD and NVIDIA is around the 80% to 85% mark. So AMDs GPU branch is anything but fine.
Quite funny your description of the 4080 Super as the leapfrog edition 😂 . I would like to think if someone's going to spend £1200 (original 4080 MSRP) on a video card they would not be convinced to do so by a geomean bar chart over multiple titles where the green bar is ahead of the red bar by 2% , especially if they fancy playing a recent version of CoD 😂. Especially if the red bar represents a card which costs £200-£250 less. This is going to be tough for AMD but it's the consoles which I sense are a priority for them. I've heard though from financial reports the Radeon 7000 cards have sold very well , beyond their initial plans.
Spending any more than $800 on a top-tier card is a waste. This upcoming 4070ti super will match the 4080 in performance and you won't have to fork over $300-400 more for it.
@@anitaremenarova6662 might keep a watch on the performance of the 4070 Super but I think it's going to a bit too weak performance wise for what I'd like. I have a 2080ti atm and a backlog of games which it can run at 4k60 with DLSS and high settings so I'll wait and see.
I dont know if ur high or smth but nvidias problem wasnt the performance but the real problem was its price comparing to amd and it doesnt look like amd will take a hit on that matter. Im still happy about my amd chioce
@@thealien_ali3382 we would be able to use it specially if they didnt gimp the sht out of the cards like they did with the 4060's. x8 pcie and 128bit bus like wtf is that.
AMD and Intel just need to focus in affordable mid and low tier graphics cards and they gain the market and one high end just to compete in gaming and productivity in a price to performance ratio. Nvidia is at this moment a waste of money in a system build just for gaming. Some AMD works better than nvidia in Da Vinci Resolve. Intel and Amd Just got to achieve similiar results in other productivity workflows and that´s it... who gives a fuck about 4k raytracing gaming... Just need fast rendering and better image procesing algorithms for less money and nvidia is death in regard to consumer and prosumer desktop gpu. I think nvidia sales will continue to drop, and maybe there is an intention behind it. They dont want they cards to be purchased, just to project an imaginary that they are the best, as a comercial strategy to sale other type of technology for big enterprises and goverments.
On Ada and RDNA lll full run volume to date, AMD RDNA lll is sitting at 13% in WW channel. In the first 57 weeks of RDNA lll supply in relation to RDNA ll at 57th week, RDNA ll (2) WW supply is 3.17x more in the first 57 weeks. RDNA lll distribution is heavy 7900XT_ and 7600 with 78/77_ at 7% there is none and it's because AIBS don't make money on RDNA lll midshelf and the production chain and channel are aware Ada Refresh will collapse RDNA_ and GA mid shelf pricing current and back one generation and on down the generations stack. I'm expecting around 12 M Ada Super and RDNA lll unless AMD fabricated more in q4 is all in the production chain. Radeon division when broke behind the books q2 into q3 and the business needs to be reconfigured. mb
AMD is more concerned about deploying a bottom shelf carpet in China putting down competitive replacements also fronts for Nvidia but still is about to b crushed. mb
Thanks Mike! Since AIBs don't make money at mid-level, that explains why I don't see any RX 7800 XT for $499. They are drifting to the $550 level. If Radeon division went broke, then it needs new management. I would like to see them spun off however, I'm not sure they could survive on their own. Plus, AMD needs them for consoles and AI. Not sure if you have the data, but it would be an interesting comparison of first 57 weeks of Ampere vs first 57 weeks of ADA to understand the ratio and how that compares to RNDA2/RDNA3 ratio above. GPU mining had a big influence on first 57 weeks of Ampere and RDNA2, so the ratio comparison of Ampere/Ada to RDNA2/RDNA3 would be most insightful.
@@ImaMac-PC I have the data and will publish a slide set before the end of the week including your query. But I need your email for my press list. Mine is campmkting at aol. I think I tried the standard google imamac at gmail the last time I sent out press data but it bounced back. Mike Bruzzone at Camp Marketing
The 4070 is a 4060 in disguise. So the "SUPER" version is really just the "Ti". I didn't want a 60Ti from them in 2022, I don't want one from them in 2024. Not at $600+.
Quite funny to look back at this now , in light of the actual performance gains. The 4070 ti Super and 4080 Super offered virtually no gains whatsoever (in the latter we are running into measurement error) , the 4070 Super was OK in the end. By a twist of fate I now own a MSI Suprim X 4080 Super - my 2080ti died two weeks after I wrote this - I could have gotten the 4070 Ti Super but wanted the extra headroom of the 4080!
These are not an incremental improvement. They're a consumer segmentation correction. Figure they're trying to figure out what 50 series will be but only so they dont overproduce slow selling skus. Datacenter Ada has been killing it so AMD needs to figure out where theyre going to go with gpu chiplets.
"If they released a 4080 with these specs at 2022 I wouldnt have purchased a 4090 and went with this GPU instead" -yea, thats exactly why they did not release a 4080 with those specs
@@jamestaylor954 Still not worth the cost. You're paying twice as much to get marginally better results as the runner-up. I'll just wait for the 4070ti super, should be $150-200 cheaper than AMD's top dog and only a smidge worse performing than the 4080.
@@anitaremenarova6662 you like what you like and I like what I like I’m loving my 4090 dispute the BS ppl be talking about worth every dime and this is my first pc coming from consoles.
4080 super at $999 with the current market (relatively overpriced), would be gg AMD at high-end. There would be no reason to buy 7900xtx. Unless FSR 3 is incredible, you just cant make a strong argument. This is coming from someeone who is very satisfied with a 6800xt now 2 years old...want to upgrade.
I'm a Mac : AMD is selling waaaay more GPU-s than Nvidia is the 3000 and 4000 series....AMD doesn't need to recover from anything, they are already winning in price, efficiency and performance per tier....which are the most important metrics :).
If AMD is selling more GPUs then why there are so few of them in gamers hands (according to Steam survey)? And according to best selling GPU lists, 4070 greatly outsells 7800 XT, 4060 easily outsells 7600 and 4070 Ti significantly outsells 7900 XT? 4060/16 is their only card that sells poorly, but same can be said about 7700 XT.
they will ALWAYS offer better price to performance, efficiency ? no RDNA3 efficiency still loses to Ada unless you're talking vs Ampere which ofc since it uses Shamdung 10nm nodes and also they offer price to performance because they cant offer great software support and featureset in a GPU like Nvidia did especially when the world doesnt revolve around gamers only
@@Eleganttf2sure buttercup, how about if you actually test an RDNA2 / RDNA 3 gpu. In reality the complete RX 6000 series is miles more efficient than RTX 3000 series and so is the RX 7000 series compared to RTX 4000 series. By miles both more efficient than Nvidia nuclear power hungry self combusting melting beta gpu-s.
@@stangamer1151 steam survey represents maybe at best half of US countries and even that not all the people in these half US countries. You do know, that in other parts of the world, like Europe, Russia and Asian countries, gamers mostly don't use Steam ? You do know that there are other ways to buy games and people do so ? You are uber self absorbed if you think that Steam is representative for anything less than maybe around 15 % of gaming community.
@@lflyr6287 LOL what kind of delusion are you in ? Ada lovelace is MUCH more efficient than RDNA3, and as i have said in my comment above RX 6000 is yes more efficient than RTX 3000 but that's only because Nvidia used Samsung's horrible 10nm node compared To RDNA2 's TSMC node. Now with RTX 4000 uses TSMC 5nm the superiority came back to Nvidia side so stop talking if you don't know jacksht about hardware stupid amd fanboy
Jensen Huang at CES 2024: "My Pascal and Turing friends, I bring you the RTX 4070 Ultra (Ti Super) for $699 (reference MSRP). You can now upgrade to beat the RTX 3090 for half the price." Now, that GTX 1080 Ti-esque price point would devastate AMD's entire RDNA III lineup without the $1000 RTX 4080 Super. Unlikely, but if NVIDIA has a lot of defective AD103 dies in warehouses, it's possible. NVIDIA effectively finishes off AMD Radeon for this generation, but they will give AMD enough room to survive for next generation. No amount of price cuts from AMD will fix this because most GPU buyers already upgraded at this point. NVIDIA will have full control of the gaming GPU market as a hedge against new AI GPUs from AMD and others. We can only wait for AMD's RDNA IV and Intel's Battle Mage to see if they can do something against NVIDIA's next-gen Blackwell GPUs.
@@TheUltraMinebox Yeah, NVIDIA will probably stick to the $799 price point for the RTX 4070 Ti Super to protect margins, but if Jensen did the unthinkable, high-end AMD will be dead and buried for years.
If the 4080S is 999$, 4070 tisupermax is 800$, and the 4070S is 600$, AMD Radeon is done. Pack it up and stick to selling console APUs. They’d have to drop the XTX to 800$, the 7900XT to 600$ and the 7800xt to 400$ for anyone to consider buying them.
The expression is NOT "Coupe de grace" but "coup de grâce." COUPE and COUP don't have the same meaning. In fact, "coupe de grace" doesn't makes any sense! On the other hand, "coup de grâce" exist and it means "Final blow" or "death blow."
Yeah hopefully there will be no problems. But normal 8-pin is available on the normal 4070, so I dont see the reasoning to limit the Super version to 12VHPWER. Its only 20W more. Will probably be fine though as you say.
It's expected that the 4070ti super will be just a hair worse than the 4080. That will make it the cheapest top-tier card assuming it'll cost the same as the original 4070ti.
No "PCI Express 5.0" No "DisplayPort 2.1 with UHBR 20" No "Good Enough Performance for Price" "nvidia-amd-intel" trio failed spectacularly. I am happy that I skipped recent generation all together. There is only price fixing crime against the pc world, no real competititon. Not gonna waste my time or sources for any inadequate product.
You got my subscription by doing power limit/efficiency tests in at least a few videos. Being European means power draw is an important factor going bang for the buck I'd have gotten 7900 XT or XTX long ago (especially when they were lower price). But the 40 Series is just that much more efficient. If the 4070ti has 16 Gb of VRAM I'd have bought that one long ago as well :D So I'm hoping the 4070ti Super gets here close to MSRP and has a similar efficiency as the non-super. Looking forward to see some of that data here when they drop :D
Frankly speaking, amd is fumbling the bag, NVIDIA has better ray tracing, better upscaling and much better power efficiency, the only thing AMD has going for it is VRAM and being a bit cheaper.
Knowing AMD, it will take a while to lower prices, after which it will launch the 50XT versions and continue behind Nvidia as always, as it always misses the opportunity to do something different...
The 40-series is the worst generation they've ever released. Because they upshifted their labels by 1-2 tiers than what they truly are. If you waited this far, might as well wait another year for the 50-series. Which if they don't get their sh*t prices sorted, it will be another skip generation. I can't wait to skip it! 👌
Nvidia needs to worry about making a better power connection I’m not buying another Nvidia GPU till it’s gone so I could care less who’s winning TBH To me AMD is losing the fight but winning the war
What I believe would be much better is if NVIDIA released a 4080 Ti with 20GB VRAM. It would gap the bridge between 4090 and 4080, which would also be great for those who don't want to buy a 4080 but also don't want to overpay for a 4090.
GPU to me is like cars, i don't own a 900hp Ferrari because i can't afford both the car and petrol. Same apply to everything over 300$ / 200 watts for the cards.
But think about how many people are currently buying the high end nvidia gpus and future ones (not many). AMD will have a tighter grip on the midrange market (if they play their cards right) and that could end up being more rewarding because of higher demand as a result of the majority of buyers being there.
People aren’t buying high end nvdida gpus? Let me know if you see any in stock at your local Best Buy or micro center, the 4090’s at my micro center don’t last in the store for more than 24 hours
But as of right now, I do agree the AMD mid range cards are high demand and popular , but if these new cards get released and the cards like the 4060 and 4060ti take a drop in price, I don’t think it will be too good for AMD A
Tech powerup has faulty data, from official sources the 4070ti super is said to match the regular 4080 in performance. From what I've seen this will be the only one worth buying.
Match it in performance...how? The 4080 has 76 SMs while the 4070 Ti SUPER has 66 SMs. The 4080 has faster memory. You may want to question your "official sources" and ask them how they come to that conclusion.
@@ImaMac-PC I'm not saying they'll be identical, just that they'll be close enough that in some cases the performance will be the same which makes sense as this will be the replacement once 4080 super takes its place and the original ceases production.
The 4070 Ti Super got its naming because Nvidia had to backtrack on the 4080 12 GB.
Ok but all AMD has to do is just drop prices after super series is announced. There is still a gap in time before review embargos lift and if AMD drops prices in that gap, the reviews will have to deal with the new prices.
Yes because nothing says we have a terrific product like needing to lower the price 😂😂
For what the 7900XTX is faster than the 4080 which costs 200 dollars more and the 4090 is at most 25 percent faster for 1000 dollars more when you can just turn on AFMF with the 7900XTX and be faster than the 4090 all AMD cards scaling down will be a card ahead of Nvidia because of it.
what's AFMF?@@UKKNGaming
@@user-ll4wu3kb2m buying expensive things doesn't mean they're "Of higher quality" either. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂use more emojis next time in emphasizes what you said
Agreed. AMD is just screaming the cream created by Nvidia selling you overpriced DLSS and RTX.@@user-ll4wu3kb2m
damn, this is his last video. Hope he is healthy
i got a 7900 xtx for 800$ i dont understand how people still go whit nvidia... Prices are just dumb
you think the world only revolves around gamers ? did you forgot about heavy productivity user,3d artists and such ? ofc they would go Nvidia and has higher marketshare since Nvidia covers all and not just gamers like AMD does
Do you have to comment under every comment in this video? are you bored? , only in 3d work nvidia is actually worth the price, but all other than that, NO, my 7900xtx outperforms the 4080 by around 5% and was 500$ cheaper than the cheapest 4080 ? Id buy a 4080 if it was 62% faster, because it costs 62% more in my country.
Apparently, here in Germany, the most intersting Card, which is the 4070 ti super, will cost around 1000€.
Meanwhile, the 7800xt is at 550€.
So, the price increase for a better Ray Tracing in Germany is double the price.
100% price increase for better Ray Tracing.
If you support that, it's your fault that those prices will stay this way forever.
Don't mind the video, it's literally a fanboy feeling superior about being a whale lmao
Bro wenn die normale 4070 Super mehr als 650 kostet bin ich raus. Dann wirds amd geben auch wenn ich es eigtl garnicht will.
Wo hast Du die 1000€ her?? Das wäre ja völlig irre.
@@UdoLattek02 wohlgemerkt wird die normale 4070 Super an die 850 aufwärts kosten wenn man den leaks aus der Schweiz vertraut. Die 4070ti super demnach 1100
7800XT performs much worse than the 4070ti super which is expected to match the 4080. Sounds like a germany skill issue, over here regular 4070ti costs 800€. If the pricing remains the same as the original this will make it the most affordable top-tier card without having to dip into the thousands.
For months pretty much all I see is videos about cards that many people can't afford. Still absolutely not interested in this Super refresh or ANY card above 500$ regardless of who made it. Would have considered a 4060Super as my next card, but as it is now - there will not be a purchase by me at all for the near future and I will keep using my affordable 1660Super in 2024.
I don't think there will ever be a decent card for 500 ever again. Unless looking at the used market. All the people buying cards at scalped prices during the plandemic changed the field forever..
The RX 7800 XT is just slightly above $500, much better performance than 4060ti as well.
gonna keep my 7900xtx.. :)
It's extraordinarily far from a "Coup de Grace"
It's more a Coup de Farce...
From what I understand, the RTX4080 shipped with Micron GDDR6X RAM rated for 24Gbps and was under-clocked to 22.4Gbps. The RTX4080 Super seems to be using the same hardware.
They just were saving better binned memory chips for the Super version (since 4080 launch). Now they have plenty of them to release a new model.
I don't see a problem at all, you can do it yourself easily. I've always done this on the last 4 Nvidia GPUs and it's always the same regardless of the memory type (GDDR5 GTX 1070 +500, GDDR5X 1080ti +500, GDDR6 RTX 2060S +700 (Micron), GDDR6 RTX 2080ti +1000 (Samsung), there's plenty of space left for oveclock.
It's the same with this generation, any RTX 4080 clocks memory without problems in 3 mouse clicks, the vast majority of them can clock memory for +1500mhz without problems, and I have also seen +2000. Mine is overclocked for +1500mhz from the stock 22.4Gbps to 25.4Gbps for a year now, I have no problems like with any of those before.
As far as I remember, GTX 1060 came with 8Gbps, later versions were already overclocked out of the box by +500 to 9Gbps, same as GTX 1080ti 10Gbps later by +500 to 11Gbps. Nothing new for Nvidia, it has already become standard practice.
lol.. "new" model? Because they give you like 5-10% more speed and they will charge you 30% more for the same architecture? lol.. "new"......@@stangamer1151
@GenocideJooz Yes I know and I agree with you. I'm just saying there's nothing special with that VRAM that can't be achieved already. I also bought myself a highly binned DDR4 like Samsung B-die but we talked here about GDDR6X memory and not about DDR4/DRR5. GPU is not a CPU that does not depend on latency, that does not have latency performance penalties, but depends on raw bandwidth.
If amd does suffer a death blow, it's their own fault and they deserve it. When nvidia announced 40 series with very high prices, what amd did do? They followed the footsteps and launched their cards with high prices as well.
AMD sales are up, they have no where to go but up. Remember AMD is entering the results phase of chip-let design, where Nvidia is still making monolithic huge power draw cards. No one mentions the cards cracking under the weight of MONSTER heatsinks, the cards catching fire with the stupid 10 pin power connector, Nvidia blaming consumers for their terrible design cause REFLECTIONS Are cool BRUH
@@MachistmoCope. Nvidia is much more efficient than AMD this generation, and you don’t have to buy a card with a stupidly massive cooler. The Ventus 2x 4070 and 4070ti are smaller than AMD reference coolers for the 7800xt and 7900xt respectively. The 7900xtx has identically sized coolers as the 4080. AMD has no single fan cards this generation shorter than 200mm where Nvidia AIBs has 4060 and 4060ti models that fit in sub 5L cases. I hate Nvidia prices as much as the next guy, but they are absolutely putting out a better product if the rumored pricing is true for the super series.
@@MechAdv someone is coping. Whatever you need to sleep at night.
mfw people think rdna3 was efficient in any shape or form lmao
Your guess is not good. If you positionned with the price and the performance you are talking about, its put these new refresh gpu's in a very bad spot in terms of fps/$. We already know that the 4070 Super gonna be at least 15% better and more arround 18%, so close to the 4070 ti (min 4 to 6%). Same for the 4070 ti, you cant place "just above the 7900XT" when the core increase + the memory bandwitch + memory size suggest at least a 15% increase in performance. Nvidia wants to kill the 7900XT not just to go above even more so when the price of the 7900XT is arround 750$, AMD could easily drop the price of this card and continue selling like pancakes. The 4070 Ti Super needs to be at least 6 to 8% better than the 7900XT to justify a +100 to 150$ price increase. Less than a 5% increase over the 7900XT would be a bad move.
Great that you are back after 3 months with your amazing analytic videos. Happy new Year.
Thank you and Happy new year!
@@ImaMac-PC How do you feel about the number of views of your videos? Quality and topic interest is provided by you... views or the algorithm blessing evolution is as good as AMD/NVIDIA new releases for you? A good new topic would be 8700G/8600G compared versus m2 pro/m3 and AMD Z1 Extreme (wich is the same silicon part in different setup). As a gaming device is just awful, expensive and non-sensical energy waster... but as the first alternative to Apple Silicon SoC for a budget is close enough, or closer than ever or anyother part (RTX 40 gpus play on their own league only comparable to M3 Max and Ultra, and may lose in the efficiency side, but win in raw performance/price)... 8700G underclocking to 15W-30W (Z1 optimal range) to 45W comaprable, the recommended 45 to 65W (that are 90W or short burst of 170W in linux) plus the OC and ram OC achieving deceptive rx6400 like perfromance at 156W overclock, more than 7800x3d and rx6400... there is plenty of marketing reviews out there but none points the actually realistic better characteristics of the newest silicon available on PC desktop (meteor lake is on laptop being deceptive the same or worse depending on case use or test, but is the best silicon tech availabel for Intel apu/ almost-SoC)... almost Apple's low end alike but more affordable even than MacMini, currently non existent under 2000€ or 1500€ for M3 variants on Mac...
The 4070 Ti Super genuinely looks interesting if it's at the right price. AD103 die with 16 GB vram and it also uses significantly less power than the 4080
It will perform at basically the same rate as the 4080 too, if you want a top-tier card without wasting any extra money this will be the go-to assuming ngreedia doesn't hike up the prices.
@@anitaremenarova6662They will.
The Ti 'Super' name is a bit hard to swallow, but if it offers roughly the same performance as a 4080 (minus 1,300 CUDA cores and lower memory bandwidth and clocks), I might get that along with a 12VHPWR-compatible SFX power supply.
They are going to be $200-600 too expensive
don't think so...these cards are supposed to be competition with AMDs lineup and we know as soon as these are announced AMD will cut prices. Why would I overpay for a 4070ti Super when the 7900xt will probably be $699?
I understand GPUs as a whole are overpriced right now but that appears to be where we are and it's not going to change.
NGreedia intends to launch these cards at exactly the same price as the respective original cards.
So they'll be way overpriced. NVidia isn't a graphics company anymore according to themselves. It's all about AI and the Chinese market (remember how they made a GPU specifically to sell to Chinese AI farms?)@@Liq38
unless Nvidia slashes their prices AMD will be just fine
I think Open Source FSR3 is making the case for DLSS 3.0 a bit moot. Is it better? Yes... Is it worth the premium? Nah... especially when it lets you use your older stuff for a bit longer.
I think this release won't change a thing. With FSR3 becoming Open Source it's gonna be more likely to be implemented than DLSS 3 due to its compatibility. If anything, FSR3 is making the DLSS 3 lockdown look like a greedy move from big green.
AMD should focus on the lower end which is what they're doing. They don't need to chase Nvidia on the top end. They already said that was not their priority this gen. Solid lower/mid end + Wide FSR 3 support IS a compelling offering. The Super line up? Not so much...
OTHER feature set aswell not just DLSS3 you forgot.
@@Eleganttf2 What other feature set is there that matters? Better RT? Nobody cares about ray tracing other than enthusiasts. None of these cards have enough power to make it attractive to the mainstream gamer. Not even the 4090.
RT won't be a thing until the Pro consoles are released and developers are enticed to make games with it in mind from the start. RT won't be adopted because of PC hardware. That's not the paradigm we live in anymore.
ALL of these cards are purposely crippled. I'm talking both AMD and Nvidia. They both could do a lot better than this but these are the scraps they're willing to offer us peasants who just have to suck it up and spend on this trash.
@@lammyjammer6670 OTHER feature like CUDA, Reflex, top notch encoder decoder NVENC support, generative ai support using pytorch which amd doesn't even support. My guy oh my gosh these idiots
@@Eleganttf2 um... most "idiot" gamers don't care about any of that and most of that stuff has an AMD equivalent.
So... it doesn't really matter unless you have a particular use-case. Do you stream? You'll care about NVENC. Do you do AI or workloads that require GPU acceleration? CUDA is for you.
For everyone else... they just want the best amount of frames per buck... Nvidia isn't offering that right now or even wants to... 😬
@@lammyjammer6670 True, albeit for 4k gaming Nvidia remains king.
Once Nvidia is at top, no competition, GPU prices will tripple.
Ya they might triple but how many will pay it ?
@@xtremezone987the same people who buy nvidia now, except 4070 buyers which is the only reasonable nvidia card for gaming.
its allready happened. they are just hidding it by messing with the gpu tiers.
@@Eric-ct2ri What I am saying is there will come a time when an Nvidia 50 class card the lowest tiered card costs $1000 who really will fork over the money for a POS GPU ?
@@xtremezone987 i wasnt talking to you buddy.
if you ever gonna feel yourself useless, remember there is a 4080 super out there. Practically having NO difference with original 4080, which can be overclocked & undervolted, and results between them will be within margin of error
Yeah, only the 4070ti super has worthwhile improvements over the original.
4080 Super = Pointless
4070 TI Super = Likely completely overpriced, basically a 4080 Lite
4070 Super = Not enough ram
The only good thing about this is, that the 4070 might finally be sold at an interesting price. Although 12GB simply is not appealing for a card in that segment.
Second issue is that the RTX 4000 is not a new GPU anymore. I simply don't care very much about the 4000 series at this point anymore.
Sad for "I'm a Mac" and others here, the AMD 7900xtx is faster in Raster than the 4080 Super (especially more FPS percentage performance at 4K) and is still cheaper than the 4080 Super. The new 4080 Super OC cards are also more expensive than many 4080 OC cards in many locations and counties.
What a bizarre video and yet again people saying that the end is near. There is no incentive for Nvidia to kill off AMD or Intel in the graphics department, as governments around the world will step in to put heavy sanctions on Nvidia for having a monopoly position.
Also, it baffles me how many Green Team fanboys there are in the comment section seemingly begging Nvidia to have a monopoly.
Competition is good, we would not have had a decent gaming experience on Linux if it was for Nvidia, Freesync would have never been as popular, FSR for older gpu's (including Nvidia GPU's!!!), and more.
Nvidia doesn't give a sh*t and wants to rip you off as much as possible at this point. People keep gobbling up the dumb and useless garbage that Nvidia keeps coming up with. How is Raytracing in any way a positive when it absolutely tanks the performance? How about the developers and game engine devs start working on a more efficient way to compute lighting instead of relying on a client side solution?
How is DLSS superior when it requires AI/ML? It is only applicable to certain applications that have been fed through an AI/ML model to train itself on. I would much rather have AMD or Intel work on a more generic, opensource solution that can work in any situation or application.
Nvidia has not in any way contributed to developing technologies that makes life for everyone better. G-sync, DLSS, RTX raytracing, CUDA, etc. are all technologies developed to be as exclusive as possible, and newer technologies are more exclusive then older ones (e.g. CUDA).
Technologies that are developed to basically kill off older Nvidia products because of e.g. raytracing support or DLSS version Y, that is artificially made to be incompatible with older Geforce products.
AMD has proven this with e.g. FreeSync and FSR, the older Geforce products are plenty capable, but Nvidia just cannot resist the money grab!
No thanks I'll stick with my RX6800 I got for under $400 bran new which is is around 5-10% slower than a 3080 & at 1440P is plenty strong enough.
Plus I got a 16gb card without spending $1000+.
The only GPU that I am even interested in seeing take a price nosedive is the 4060Ti 16GB, as it's a compelling choice for an entry level edge-case media workstation. It would be nice if all cards dropped a pricing tier next week. For Gaming, I will wait for AMD price drops.
As a heavy gen AI user the 4060 TI 16GB is also super tempting haha would love for it to drop in price heavily
I keep seeing the arc 770 with 16gb for under $300. Considering the leaks of intel arc being compared to a 3070. I wonder if intel's battlemage will give more vram. Like 24gb or 32gb. If the drivers are stable. It could compete. The leaks are minimal and unclear. I remember the leaks for the nvidia turing gen being really bad. The 2070 having 7gb of vram. That's ridiculous.
If the 7600XT 16G is also an interesting rumor if it does come out..
@@purgedome2386 lol no with that raw power and bad generative ai support its badly overkill and stupid, atleast unlike 4060 Ti 16GB it can be used greatly to train AI models and stuff thanks to Nvidia's pytorch support
unfortunatelly the 4060Ti sucks for content creation. Even a RTX 3060/12GB can outperform the 4060Ti in some usecases. The limitations of the 4060Ti really makes it a bad choice, even on an entry level.
Amd could potentially make a 7950 xtx if they wanted to. Just like they did with the 6900xt last gen and came out with a 6950xt. Even a 7950 XT variant of the 7900 XT would be doable. We will have to see what happens..
For what reason the 7900XTX with AFMF is faster than the 4090.
A 7950 XTX would be 10% faster if AMD wants to keep the same power consumption. The 4080 SUPER is 8-10% faster than the 4080 as well so AMD will just match the performance while having inferior raytracing performance.
Don't buy anything less than 16GB VRAM cards in 2024. Time to wake up and realize!
Good advice, the 4070ti super getting this much needed upgrade will sell like hot cakes. The others though, waste of money.
all the nvidia guys happy about these new cards, when this is what these cards should have been at on release.
Not even that, the 4070S and 4080S barely had any upgrades over their original counterparts. 20gb + 320 bus and 16gb vram respectively would've made them worth the cost but like this they're just a waste of money.
Ill buy Moore threads before giving nvidia a single cent.
'cAn AMD reCovEr!?!'
I just want nvidia to make more 4090FE
i told AMD to off themself last year and they nailed it with pricing this gen
When Nvidia does it, you eat it. The big tasteh CRAP SAMMY and you ASK for more. When AMD does it, its a cardinal sin. Yummeh Green garbage. The illusion of value.
@@Machistmo Problem with your statement is. I have never owned. an NVIDIA card And I've been. gaming since 2009 I go where the value is. And AMD has. always had the best value, but this. generation they fucked their selves With this, follow the leader pricing structure. I believe the RTX4090 is a $700 card So what do you think the 7900XTX is? $550 $600 at the most. AMD is extortion NVIDIA is just strong armed robbery.
@@jr6955 their selves? This conversation is over dude
lmao nerd @@Machistmo
AMD will be fine
Love the comparison slides, they bring your point home. I feel the unstated implication of Steam's hardware survey is people generally don't want to pay over a console price for a GPU alone.
They don't have to, the finest 1440p performance can be bought at console price or lower. The cards that go over that are for true 4k snobs like me. Still, won't catch me buying anything horribly overpriced aka over $850.
I, with my 7900xt, really don’t care about those 😂
Fair. The 4070ti super will surpass it at the same price but it's not worth upgrading to if you already have it.
unless it's a smaller node it's meh
I’m happy with my RTX 2080 Super especially with the DLSSG to FSR3 mod. Also loving the RX 7800 XT for native performance.
Thanks AMD, otherwise Nvidia would be double fisting you even harder.
hey i also have the 2080S can u tell me more about it? The mod? :)
@@dominikweyand7497 it lets you play with games that support DLSS3 Frame Gen but it’s replaced with FSR3 Frame Gen and you can use DLSS2 Quality with it
@@dominikweyand7497 There is a mod on nexusmod (there are a lot of videos on youtube on it) which lets you use the FSR 3 Frame Generation on older cards for any game which uses DLSS 3.0 Frame Generation. It is very easy to install and doubles your Frames. Since it is a mod, there sometimes might be artifacts but it works.
@@dominikweyand7497 just google AMD frame generationm for nVidia
From what I've heard, Navi 4C (used for 41 and 42) ran into technical issues so they had to cancel it. If what I'm hearing is correct, AMD was overcomplicating the design and it backfired. They were basically going to chiplets of chiplets. Their lower tier RDNA 4 (43 and 44) is monolithic. So they have to cancel high end Navi 4 and regroup for Navi 5. Assuming all these rumors are true, of course. There is also that new patent for GPU technology filed by AMD. So in short, they're trying, but it looks like maybe they just tried too hard.
AMD needs to give us a 7950xtx of sort. A card with 7900xtx or better raster performance along with better ray tracing performance and efficiency of rdna 4. Something like that at the right price would hold them over, say $900?
I saw that , I was surprised how aggressive that design was but I suspect they cancelled because it was too costly to make and didn't fit well with their wider plans , especially for laptop chips. They do have something in their back pocket so I hope it reappears in the future.
p.s a 8700xt priced around $400 with performance similar to the 7900xt (4070ti) and 16GB of 24Gbps gddr6x would be very disruptive. Even more so than the 5700xt IMO.
@@cjpp78ytubeYeah, I was surprised there weren't any models ending in 50 in the 7000 series. I also wasn't expecting the 7600XT and all the non-XT releases either that came out of nowhere all the sudden. Maybe they'll make a 50 model at some point, who knows?
@@tourmaline07Yeah, RDNA4 is a new generation, even at lower tiers, so that could have a good price/performance if things go well. No idea what the general price market will look like for next gen though.
I've bought the r9 380x, rx 580, and rx 6600. But now I'm looking for a power efficient 16gb card for around $500... Maybe I just undervolt an rx 7800 xt? I was excited for the super variants, but the prices are too high. I use a lot of vram for my hobbies.
get the 7900 xtx 24 gb vram :D
AMD cards can be very power efficient with some undervolting and underclocking. My 7900 xtx eats 200-250w during gaming. If I remember correctly the benchmark score dropped only like 7% with this heavy underclocking and the card runs cool & quiet.
At least for me it comes down to performance per $. With the currently agressive pricing of their ARC cards, I have high hopes for Battlemage. They might just take the crown.
Here is the thing, if NVidia really wanted to deliver the death blow to AMD, they would make the 4080 with at least 20 GB of vram. Sure the super will be faster, but the 7900 xtx has 24 GB of vram! This means you will be future proofed for quite a while. Nvidia doesn’t want cards that are future proofed though. They want them to be obsolete in about 3-4 years so you buy another one. If you like Nvidia as company and have no problem shoveling them money, then that is fine. But if you want longevity and performance, AMD is the way to go.
AMD will be fine. They're targeting the middle-low range segment which is around 80% of the gaming market segment, and they're also currently leading on CPU and iGPU market. I switch off between AMD and Nvidia GPU as I upgrade or build every 2 gens and now I'm currently on 7800xt from my 2070.
And as for Intel competing with AMD in GPU? Not with their current state. I'll give it another 2 gens before Intel actually being able to compete with AMD on the GPU department.
AMD is SUFFERING they only hold 15% of the market and get trampled every single generation.
AMD is not fine in the GPU market.
Market share of GPUs tells a different story. Intel is way closer to AMD and NVIDIA is around the 80% to 85% mark. So AMDs GPU branch is anything but fine.
They are not leading on the GPU market even before the super comes out, even their lower gaming revenue shows it.
@@Sly_404Radeon is roughly 20% the size of Nvidia. The market share makes perfect sense when you follow the sales.
It would definitely help if they switched back to 8-pin power connectors instead of the problematic 12VHPWR one
AMD is gonna be fine, it's NVIDIA who should be worried with their overpriced crap.
Quite funny your description of the 4080 Super as the leapfrog edition 😂 .
I would like to think if someone's going to spend £1200 (original 4080 MSRP) on a video card they would not be convinced to do so by a geomean bar chart over multiple titles where the green bar is ahead of the red bar by 2% , especially if they fancy playing a recent version of CoD 😂. Especially if the red bar represents a card which costs £200-£250 less.
This is going to be tough for AMD but it's the consoles which I sense are a priority for them. I've heard though from financial reports the Radeon 7000 cards have sold very well , beyond their initial plans.
Spending any more than $800 on a top-tier card is a waste. This upcoming 4070ti super will match the 4080 in performance and you won't have to fork over $300-400 more for it.
@@anitaremenarova6662 might keep a watch on the performance of the 4070 Super but I think it's going to a bit too weak performance wise for what I'd like. I have a 2080ti atm and a backlog of games which it can run at 4k60 with DLSS and high settings so I'll wait and see.
I love my RTX 3080 FE from 2021 I bought at MSRP due to lots of luck. The last good Nvidia card, thus far
from those cards only 4070 ti Super will be worth upgrade,its be more close to XTX model!
I dont know if ur high or smth but nvidias problem wasnt the performance but the real problem was its price comparing to amd and it doesnt look like amd will take a hit on that matter. Im still happy about my amd chioce
I just want a 3060 Ti tier GPU with 16GB of VRAM and without gimped bandwidth...
What's the point of high vram when U won't be able to use it all if the shaders, core, clock speeds are maxed out
@@thealien_ali3382 we would be able to use it specially if they didnt gimp the sht out of the cards like they did with the 4060's. x8 pcie and 128bit bus like wtf is that.
AMD and Intel just need to focus in affordable mid and low tier graphics cards and they gain the market and one high end just to compete in gaming and productivity in a price to performance ratio.
Nvidia is at this moment a waste of money in a system build just for gaming.
Some AMD works better than nvidia in Da Vinci Resolve.
Intel and Amd Just got to achieve similiar results in other productivity workflows and that´s it... who gives a fuck about 4k raytracing gaming... Just need fast rendering and better image procesing algorithms for less money and nvidia is death in regard to consumer and prosumer desktop gpu.
I think nvidia sales will continue to drop, and maybe there is an intention behind it. They dont want they cards to be purchased, just to project an imaginary that they are the best, as a comercial strategy to sale other type of technology for big enterprises and goverments.
I'm waiting for the 5090. I just hope it'll have 32gb or 48gb of vram. Some games at 4k I see 22gb of vram. Need more. (3090)
On Ada and RDNA lll full run volume to date, AMD RDNA lll is sitting at 13% in WW channel. In the first 57 weeks of RDNA lll supply in relation to RDNA ll at 57th week, RDNA ll (2) WW supply is 3.17x more in the first 57 weeks. RDNA lll distribution is heavy 7900XT_ and 7600 with 78/77_ at 7% there is none and it's because AIBS don't make money on RDNA lll midshelf and the production chain and channel are aware Ada Refresh will collapse RDNA_ and GA mid shelf pricing current and back one generation and on down the generations stack. I'm expecting around 12 M Ada Super and RDNA lll unless AMD fabricated more in q4 is all in the production chain. Radeon division when broke behind the books q2 into q3 and the business needs to be reconfigured. mb
AMD is more concerned about deploying a bottom shelf carpet in China putting down competitive replacements also fronts for Nvidia but still is about to b crushed. mb
Thanks Mike! Since AIBs don't make money at mid-level, that explains why I don't see any RX 7800 XT for $499. They are drifting to the $550 level. If Radeon division went broke, then it needs new management. I would like to see them spun off however, I'm not sure they could survive on their own. Plus, AMD needs them for consoles and AI.
Not sure if you have the data, but it would be an interesting comparison of first 57 weeks of Ampere vs first 57 weeks of ADA to understand the ratio and how that compares to RNDA2/RDNA3 ratio above. GPU mining had a big influence on first 57 weeks of Ampere and RDNA2, so the ratio comparison of Ampere/Ada to RDNA2/RDNA3 would be most insightful.
@@ImaMac-PC I have the data and will publish a slide set before the end of the week including your query. But I need your email for my press list. Mine is campmkting at aol. I think I tried the standard google imamac at gmail the last time I sent out press data but it bounced back. Mike Bruzzone at Camp Marketing
The 4070 is a 4060 in disguise. So the "SUPER" version is really just the "Ti".
I didn't want a 60Ti from them in 2022, I don't want one from them in 2024.
Not at $600+.
Quite funny to look back at this now , in light of the actual performance gains. The 4070 ti Super and 4080 Super offered virtually no gains whatsoever (in the latter we are running into measurement error) , the 4070 Super was OK in the end.
By a twist of fate I now own a MSI Suprim X 4080 Super - my 2080ti died two weeks after I wrote this - I could have gotten the 4070 Ti Super but wanted the extra headroom of the 4080!
These are not an incremental improvement. They're a consumer segmentation correction. Figure they're trying to figure out what 50 series will be but only so they dont overproduce slow selling skus. Datacenter Ada has been killing it so AMD needs to figure out where theyre going to go with gpu chiplets.
We shouldn't buy these refresh cards... It's over priced again and Nvidia said they don't care about our GPU market, only AI.
would love to see an efficiency comparison between a RX6800 and 7800XT at different power levels
"If they released a 4080 with these specs at 2022 I wouldnt have purchased a 4090 and went with this GPU instead" -yea, thats exactly why they did not release a 4080 with those specs
Despite all the whining , I luv my RTX 4070. It's a 1440p beast. Compared to my 3060 Ti. 😎
im gettin the 4080 super just because im upgrading from my 2080 ti
i would wait a year and spend my money on a 5080..
To fix all this BS just get a 3090 or 4090 let’s move on ppl lol
i'm not paying $3000 (AUD) for a 4090.
@@mitsuhh I paid less than 2k USD on release date!
@@jamestaylor954 Still not worth the cost. You're paying twice as much to get marginally better results as the runner-up. I'll just wait for the 4070ti super, should be $150-200 cheaper than AMD's top dog and only a smidge worse performing than the 4080.
@@anitaremenarova6662 you like what you like and I like what I like I’m loving my 4090 dispute the BS ppl be talking about worth every dime and this is my first pc coming from consoles.
The only saving grace I can think for AMD is there's no way Nvidia is going to seriously cut prices.
4080 super at $999 with the current market (relatively overpriced), would be gg AMD at high-end. There would be no reason to buy 7900xtx. Unless FSR 3 is incredible, you just cant make a strong argument. This is coming from someeone who is very satisfied with a 6800xt now 2 years old...want to upgrade.
fsr 3 can be used by nvidia gpus so that wont be a saving grace.
This video makes me want to buy an amd gpu just so they stay in the competition. The second they aren't the prices will be jacked up
The wild card is Intel's Battlemage , they need to score with it to be taken serious as a 3rd party in this . We the consumers need it ! Go intel !
I'm a Mac : AMD is selling waaaay more GPU-s than Nvidia is the 3000 and 4000 series....AMD doesn't need to recover from anything, they are already winning in price, efficiency and performance per tier....which are the most important metrics :).
If AMD is selling more GPUs then why there are so few of them in gamers hands (according to Steam survey)? And according to best selling GPU lists, 4070 greatly outsells 7800 XT, 4060 easily outsells 7600 and 4070 Ti significantly outsells 7900 XT? 4060/16 is their only card that sells poorly, but same can be said about 7700 XT.
they will ALWAYS offer better price to performance, efficiency ? no RDNA3 efficiency still loses to Ada unless you're talking vs Ampere which ofc since it uses Shamdung 10nm nodes and also they offer price to performance because they cant offer great software support and featureset in a GPU like Nvidia did especially when the world doesnt revolve around gamers only
@@Eleganttf2sure buttercup, how about if you actually test an RDNA2 / RDNA 3 gpu.
In reality the complete RX 6000 series is miles more efficient than RTX 3000 series and so is the RX 7000 series compared to RTX 4000 series. By miles both more efficient than Nvidia nuclear power hungry self combusting melting beta gpu-s.
@@stangamer1151 steam survey represents maybe at best half of US countries and even that not all the people in these half US countries. You do know, that in other parts of the world, like Europe, Russia and Asian countries, gamers mostly don't use Steam ? You do know that there are other ways to buy games and people do so ?
You are uber self absorbed if you think that Steam is representative for anything less than maybe around 15 % of gaming community.
@@lflyr6287 LOL what kind of delusion are you in ? Ada lovelace is MUCH more efficient than RDNA3, and as i have said in my comment above RX 6000 is yes more efficient than RTX 3000 but that's only because Nvidia used Samsung's horrible 10nm node compared To RDNA2 's TSMC node. Now with RTX 4000 uses TSMC 5nm the superiority came back to Nvidia side so stop talking if you don't know jacksht about hardware stupid amd fanboy
Coupe de Grace to what? It will be another release of video cards and it will come down to price/performance.
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Jensen Huang at CES 2024: "My Pascal and Turing friends, I bring you the RTX 4070 Ultra (Ti Super) for $699 (reference MSRP). You can now upgrade to beat the RTX 3090 for half the price." Now, that GTX 1080 Ti-esque price point would devastate AMD's entire RDNA III lineup without the $1000 RTX 4080 Super. Unlikely, but if NVIDIA has a lot of defective AD103 dies in warehouses, it's possible.
NVIDIA effectively finishes off AMD Radeon for this generation, but they will give AMD enough room to survive for next generation. No amount of price cuts from AMD will fix this because most GPU buyers already upgraded at this point. NVIDIA will have full control of the gaming GPU market as a hedge against new AI GPUs from AMD and others. We can only wait for AMD's RDNA IV and Intel's Battle Mage to see if they can do something against NVIDIA's next-gen Blackwell GPUs.
699 for 16GB and 3090 Ti and above performance sounds too good to be true sadly
@@TheUltraMinebox Yeah, NVIDIA will probably stick to the $799 price point for the RTX 4070 Ti Super to protect margins, but if Jensen did the unthinkable, high-end AMD will be dead and buried for years.
Jensen to chinese gamers:"My emperor Xi it is safe to upgrade now we have give you the...D" 😂
If the 4080S is 999$, 4070 tisupermax is 800$, and the 4070S is 600$, AMD Radeon is done. Pack it up and stick to selling console APUs. They’d have to drop the XTX to 800$, the 7900XT to 600$ and the 7800xt to 400$ for anyone to consider buying them.
Those prices would be very aggressive. I am looking forward to see if AMD responds.
The expression is NOT "Coupe de grace" but "coup de grâce." COUPE and COUP don't have the same meaning. In fact, "coupe de grace" doesn't makes any sense! On the other hand, "coup de grâce" exist and it means "Final blow" or "death blow."
At least it wasn't _coupe de gras_
The problem will still be the scalpers upping the prices. The 40 series continue to go up
nvidia staying true with the branding. keeping gpus super expensive
Shame that the 4070 Super only seem to come with 12VHPWER. Im getting this card but not stoked on the connector.
It shouldn't be an issue. The problems seem to be mostly limited to the 4090 as it draws significantly more power than any other NVIDIA GPU.
You'll be fine, the 4070 and 4070ti are both really power efficient with great cooling.
Yeah hopefully there will be no problems. But normal 8-pin is available on the normal 4070, so I dont see the reasoning to limit the Super version to 12VHPWER. Its only 20W more. Will probably be fine though as you say.
12 gb for the 4070? What are people supposed to do with 12 gb cuz games crash a lot with low vram these days
I have zero problems in any game with 1080 Ti 11gb at 2560x1440p
@@mitsuhh what games are you playing and are they on ue5?
recently Plague Tale: Requiem, Battlefield 2042, Lies of P, Elden Ring and Robocop@@davew4304
Get the 4070ti super at that point. 4070 super is horribly overpriced for the performance it provides.
Prices aren't even announced yet@@anitaremenarova6662
Ehi man, are you all right?
AMD doesn’t have a HOPE against Nvidia
Absolutely! The Super series will kill PC gaming once and for all. If you want to game, get a console.
Undeniably stupid take. If I wanted to play at 30FPS I'd keep my ancient PC.
I'm very curious to see bench comparisons between the 'old' 4080 and the 4070ti Super as well as any price differences when everything launches.
It's expected that the 4070ti super will be just a hair worse than the 4080. That will make it the cheapest top-tier card assuming it'll cost the same as the original 4070ti.
No "PCI Express 5.0"
No "DisplayPort 2.1 with UHBR 20"
No "Good Enough Performance for Price"
"nvidia-amd-intel" trio failed spectacularly. I am happy that I skipped recent generation all together.
There is only price fixing crime against the pc world, no real competititon.
Not gonna waste my time or sources for any inadequate product.
Super means 32fps with rtx on
You got my subscription by doing power limit/efficiency tests in at least a few videos. Being European means power draw is an important factor going bang for the buck I'd have gotten 7900 XT or XTX long ago (especially when they were lower price). But the 40 Series is just that much more efficient. If the 4070ti has 16 Gb of VRAM I'd have bought that one long ago as well :D
So I'm hoping the 4070ti Super gets here close to MSRP and has a similar efficiency as the non-super. Looking forward to see some of that data here when they drop :D
Stop smoking
@@Machistmo I don't get it.
But u ain't gonna beat my 7900xtx period
4070 super has 2nvenc now instead of 1 so its better for encoding
That is not what nvidia's website says: developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new
What is the source of your information?
Maybe coup de grace
40 series cards are overpriced garbage. I for one will never purchase an Nvidia based card again.
"Nvidia based" so true, king!
NVIDIA isnt completely destroy AMD tbh, sure the super cards are gonna dent AMD a bit but they'll still be fine overall
Nvidia is starting to feel like Apple and their new iPhones.
@SplitzzR6 I'm getting that same feeling...
Frankly speaking, amd is fumbling the bag, NVIDIA has better ray tracing, better upscaling and much better power efficiency, the only thing AMD has going for it is VRAM and being a bit cheaper.
Knowing AMD, it will take a while to lower prices, after which it will launch the 50XT versions and continue behind Nvidia as always, as it always misses the opportunity to do something different...
The 40-series is the worst generation they've ever released. Because they upshifted their labels by 1-2 tiers than what they truly are.
If you waited this far, might as well wait another year for the 50-series.
Which if they don't get their sh*t prices sorted, it will be another skip generation. I can't wait to skip it! 👌
2:53 why rtx 4080 priced 799$ ???
Nvidia needs to worry about making a better power connection I’m not buying another Nvidia GPU till it’s gone so I could care less who’s winning TBH To me AMD is losing the fight but winning the war
What I believe would be much better is if NVIDIA released a 4080 Ti with 20GB VRAM. It would gap the bridge between 4090 and 4080, which would also be great for those who don't want to buy a 4080 but also don't want to overpay for a 4090.
GPU to me is like cars, i don't own a 900hp Ferrari because i can't afford both the car and petrol. Same apply to everything over 300$ / 200 watts for the cards.
He sounds a lot like taofledermaus🎉
4070 ti super oc edition
But think about how many people are currently buying the high end nvidia gpus and future ones (not many). AMD will have a tighter grip on the midrange market (if they play their cards right) and that could end up being more rewarding because of higher demand as a result of the majority of buyers being there.
People aren’t buying high end nvdida gpus? Let me know if you see any in stock at your local Best Buy or micro center, the 4090’s at my micro center don’t last in the store for more than 24 hours
But as of right now, I do agree the AMD mid range cards are high demand and popular , but if these new cards get released and the cards like the 4060 and 4060ti take a drop in price, I don’t think it will be too good for AMD A
well I travel around Italy/Asia/Australia and not a single graphics card from AMD or Nvidia ever ran out of stock. Including the 4090.@@arlic5279
@@arlic52794090s aren't just gaming cards , they are production tools , and very good ones at that.
At this point they needn't even bother increasing the amount of VRAM or the bus width. People will buy anyway and AMD will be nowhere.
Is this User Benchmark?
Tech powerup has faulty data, from official sources the 4070ti super is said to match the regular 4080 in performance. From what I've seen this will be the only one worth buying.
They only have faulty data before the cards have been reviewed. For released products, the data is very accurate
Match it in performance...how? The 4080 has 76 SMs while the 4070 Ti SUPER has 66 SMs. The 4080 has faster memory. You may want to question your "official sources" and ask them how they come to that conclusion.
But also it's more difficult to saturate more SMs than fewer SMs. Source: Mark Cerny, who designed the PS4 and PS5.@@ImaMac-PC
@@ImaMac-PC I'm not saying they'll be identical, just that they'll be close enough that in some cases the performance will be the same which makes sense as this will be the replacement once 4080 super takes its place and the original ceases production.