The thing about Clemens is by 1993 he had lost his fastball. It is pretty rare to ever regain your fastball once you lose it. Shockingly, by 1995( I saw him in Toronto) his fastball reappeared. He is one guy who was not HOF worthy until the roids. The other two are HOF out of the gate.
@@Gnofg Clemens for his 86 to 93 run with Boston alone was hall of fame worthy. At any rate it's the Hall of FAME, fame as in famous. As in, you can't talk about the history of this sport without this person as he's one of the most famous players ever.
If we compared every Hall of Fame candidate to Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Henry Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Albert Pujols, Stan Musial, there would be about 50 players in The Hall.
@@terrancelewis8136 I would say that McGriff is borderline. Who else other than Rolen would you say is borderline? Not trying to have a “gotcha moment”. I’m genuinely interested.
The Hall should be about honoring the best players of their era. Guys that constantly went to All-Star Games and who you went to the stadium to see play. That encompasses more than just players like Ruth and Aaron.
I only followed Scott Rolen when he came to the Reds via the Edwin Encarnacion trade. I will say as a veteran he was the second or third best bat in our lineup in 2010 and that's with a prime Votto. Dude was a great leader and superior fielder. He deserves respect
@@scottfornance Only one guy ever has been unanimous, and that didn't happen until after Griffey was inducted. Hank Aaron not only retired as the all-time leader in Home Runs, but he was second in hits. You could have taken away all 755 of his homers and he still would have had 3,000 hits. He is still the all-time leader in RBI and total bases (and from reading his bio, that last record was his favorite). He got 97.8% - 406 of 415 votes. Nine writers looked at HANK AARON and thought, "Nah." Willie Mays got 409 of 432 votes, or 94.7%. Twenty three voters looked at WILLIE MAYS - 3,283 hits, 660 home runs, 338 steals, 2 MVP, 12 Gold Gloves, 24 All-Star Games, and author of maybe the most famous defensive play in history and thought, "He doesn't quite make it for me." The system has always been screwed up. I wouldn't lose faith over the Hall because Griffey didn't get in. The voting is done by writers. Some of them are bound to be bitter cranks. We're actually getting fewer and fewer of them - as great as Griffey was, I don't think he has an argument as being greater than Aaron or Mays. But he only missed on three ballots.
Baseball is fun to talk about when guys on tv actually decide to do it once in a blue moon. Wish they would give it more of a chance. Then listeners might take more of an interest in it.
I agree with that to a degree, for example Eli Manning wasn't an elite QB but he has 2 Superbowl MVPs against Brady. Not even Peyton can say that and we know there's no question he's way better than Eli. But if Eli can't get in with 2 Superbowl MVPs sometime isn't right.
@@greggibson33 I know it's a baseball topic but I was just giving an example of "If you have to give it a thought, you're not a HOF can still be one. But if you think those 2 Superbowl MVPs won't help his case all I can say is stay tuned in. He'll be eligible next year, he might not get in first ballot but it'll probably happen. If he does I'll come back to this post and say I told you he'll get in lol.
@@rdogletree4543 At the end of the day, those are just 2 games. I realize they're Superbowls, but if you look at the overwhelming majority of Eli's career, he was average at best.
Rob is a dummy for saying Schilling is not hall of fame worthy lol. He absolutely should be in the hall of fame and it's all due to politics that he's not in!
Batting average is subpar as a stat , if one guy is batting .316 but only hitting 8 homers a year vs a guy batting .281 hitting 25 a year , of course Helton was a power hitter but in coors field
@TennisPro17 Helton is not top 10 all time at his position. There are better first basemen that will never get in now. That being said, he will get in eventually.
@@drexlspivey3047 Keith absolutely deserves to be in the hall. People act like your bat is the end all be all. It isn't. Keith hit for average and had good SLG. An Elite defender should always be considered for the HOF. In my opinion Scott deserves this. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Well there’s gonna be no hall of famers in 15 years then because average isn’t important in the modern game. There’s a chance that no one ever gets 3000 hits again bc no one is trying to hit like that anymore. 600 home runs is also crazy even for people that care about counting stats. 450 home runs almost guarantees you make the hall for almost every position besides maybe first.
Ozzie Smith is in with under 2500 hits, 28 homers and a .262 career average in 19 years. Defense is factored in here. Does Rob think Smith shouldn't be in? If not why? Sure, he has more gold gloves....but I'd argue a few of his last ones were "familiarity" ones....kind of like Jeter got.
Rolen won eight gold gloves. He had above average batting statistics and was even more valuable playing the hot corner. He had a higher career batting average and more career HRs than Brooks Robinson. His HOF induction is well deserved.
@@KClouisville Ozzie won 13 GGs and is widely considered the best defensive SS ever. Rolen isn't the equivalent at 3rd base. Alex Gordon of the Royals won 8 GGs, too. Does he go in the HOF next?
Andruw Jones was Mr. Consistent on a team where he was overshadowed by 3 Cy Young winners and other players that got more press during the Yankees run to the world series 5 times in the same decade.
Comical, he's top ten all time for third basemen. Loved that I got to see him, Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre play that position at the same time. All three deserve and will be in, the Hall Of Fame.
True but we know Sheffield was called out for using steroids. So like Barry Bonds, A-Rod, Mark McGwire, and Roger Clemens it's unfortunate that these elite players won't get voted in when they're clearly among the greatest to ever play the game.
@@Knowing341 Not that I'm aware of, I know he wasn't in 2004 when Jose Canseco came out with his list. Do you remember when Rafael Palmeiro looked into the camera and denied using? Then not much later he tested positive for using and never played again.
@@jasonspades7775 Pretty much, you know alot of this stuff is about how much they like you. Barry Bonds was a butthole to the media so even though he never tested positive they held it against him. But it's ridiculous because Barry was great in his younger days before her was ever accused of using.
MLB for the last 10 years has been putting in players that do not deserve the honor. Unfortunately it has become a way for very good players to be honored.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Plenty of players pre-70s that have been in for decades wouldn’t sniff the hall by todays standards. It’s a completely false narrative for clueless complainers like you to harp on. Sorry if you aren’t educated enough on baseball to understand that Rolen is a hall of famer.
You clearly know nothing about Coors field lmao. Coors field is a hitters park but that high attitude has a huge disadvantage. When traveling to other parks it’s extremely hard to adjust to different altitudes constantly. Helton was great on the road as well as at home. The same argument was made against Larry Walker for years but he finally got in because he deserved to be. Walker is better then Helton but still deserves to make it.
@@davidkelty7688 Untrue, both Helton and Walker's stats were far less on the road. (Helton's 193-point home/road OPS difference is one of the highest in history. Walker hit a 100 points higher at Corked field.) But good to know your an altitude expert.😆
@@greggibson33 MLB has a park there so it is what it is. Chuck Klein benefitted heavily from his home games in Philadelphia, so this is not unheard of.
Scott is a good man and helped a lot, he was amazing with st Louis and what he did for that team, idgaf who else had him, the other teams were trash the years they had him, he did a lot to help St. Louis win and deserves every bit of it, especially after 17 seasons. A true milestone in itself.
@@drexlspivey3047 1st base isn't in the same universe as the hot corner in regards to defensive difficulty. There's a reason why before the DH and in the National League they'd throw big lugs over there who would humiliate themselves most anywhere else on the field.
@@Jayoplantern Top 5 at his position. What because Robinson got inducted on his defense no one else can? No one else can be a good defender at 3rd in the HoF?
The thing that Chris and Rob don’t want to admit is the media is the reason why people like Barry Bonds isn’t in the Hall of Fame. If you a player that was nice to the media when you played, they will vote for you but if the player wasn’t nice to the media like Barry Bonds wasn’t then you don’t get their votes.
Dick Allen and Curt Schilling had the same problem. David Ortiz got in despite being mentioned in the same article as Sammy Sosa alleging a failed 2003 test. Ortiz was loved by the media and Sosa was hated.
His WAR is better than Gwynn. LOL Rolen couldn't carry Gwynn's spikes. WAR is dysfunctional. The only player who got into the hall for fielding is Ozzie. He was one of a kind. Rolen is not Brooks Robinson in the field.
@@Gnofgwhat did Tony Gwynn do so great other than hit singles? All those hits and only scored a minimum of ninety runs four times. I'd take Jeter over him in a heartbeat. Probably take Rolen too.
💯 Rob is spot on here. You are either a HOF’er or you’re not. How the hell can you NOT be a HOF’er 5-6 years ago… but now you are? Makes no friggin sense to me. It is now the Hall of Somewhat Very Good now.
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I would have put Scott Rolen in there before Harold Baines. Fred McGriff being rewarded by his friends in the VC when Bonds and Clemens couldn’t even get four votes? That’s crazy.
I always thought Sheffield should be in the HOF. He wasn't a very good spokesman, had a few clashes with management and fans. But you know what? So did Ted Williams! He is a no doubters! Not saying Sheffield is at the level as Tes but...... 500 Home Runs and more walks than strikeouts is pretty remarkable! That's a HOFer!
It's so strange for Rob to mention Babe Ruth's name when arguing against Scott Rolen's HOF candidacy. Ruth is probably the GOAT. By that standard, no one should get into Cooperstown.
Guys, WAKE UP! Look up SEVERAL of the Hall of Famers of the past. Tinkers, Evers, and Chance - Their careers COMBINED aren't worthy of one HOF plaque. Your standards for perfection are BALONEY, and you won't draw if you stop with 30 - 40 ballplayers. I'm not sure Rolen deserved the HOF, but did Bill Mazeroszi? What about Phil Rizzuto? Would he be in the HOF if he wasn't a Yankee? Curt Schilling should be in the HOF, though - That's BS, and the writers are holding his words against him. If he was a liberal, he would have been in years ago. Rolen is in Cooperstown... Get over it.
There’s a ton of mvps that aren’t in the hall. There’s even three guys that never made the ballot. It’s a single season award and should only help players to get in, not hurt them from getting in.
Agree. Scott Rollen was slightly above average in his career. They might as well let everyone in. The HOF should only be for the select few who are truly great. That should be for any sport
I've been a Cards fan since 1960. I think Ken Boyer was the best Cards third baseman ever and is not in the HOF yet compares with his equal for his era Ron Santo of the Cubs. I think a difference maker for Rolen was his defense like an Ozzie Smith. Maybe Rolen went up because the level of competition changed for him. Most look at offensive numbers and anyone attached to the steroids era has really been hurt in voting. You do make good arguments. The player I think of as a good ballplayer but not HOF worthy is Keith Hernandez. When I think of HOF worthy I think of Willie Mays and Henry Aaron.
Maybe they should start a Hall 2 for very good but not great ones. Boyer would certainly make that list, as would Rocky Colavito, Roger Maris, Waury Wills, Frank Howard, Harvey Kuenn, Bill White and Joe Adcock from that same era. I'd put Rolen there too. The Hall should be just for the great ones, like Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Williams, Musial, Feller, Koufax, Gibson and others of that caliber.
@@hiramnoone I do understand what you are saying. In St. Louis some look at his exceptional defense like an Ozzie Smith or a Brooks Robinson, but it is not everybody. Ken Boyer stands out better for me because his best years were with the Cards and played longer for STL whereas Rolen played longer for the Phillies and had good years there as well. What happens is when a Ron Santo makes it and you saw them play then it makes you wonder why not Ken Boyer. It's the watering down that was discussed. That was a good list of good ballplayers when I was a kid growing up in the 1960s born in 1953.
I don’t think Santo belonged, but it was far worse that the VC waited until after he was deceased to let him in. The VC has made some correct decisions in recent years like Hodges, but then there are all the head scratchers.
@@Butterandbacon Also going on is players like Mays and Aaron are like 100 percentile hall of famers, but what is the 75 percentile hall of famer? Gil Hodges was a good choice. I think you cannot just go all by batting numbers like I see some doing because great defense does matter as well. Those great on defense took away runs and were a pitcher's best friend.
@@larryloveless2967 Yeah, it has been watered down when you consider the greats against players like Rolen who was nowhere near of that caliber of player. Certainly a good one, but not a great one which in my opinion should be the only sort elected to The Hall. When you consider the era Boyer played in, he along with Eddie Mathews (500 plus homers was his ticket) were the best at their position in the NL for a stretch of ten years. Likewise Santo for the ten years following, so certainly an argument for all of their being in when you consider Rolen.
As a lifelong Cardinals fan, I don't think Rolen is a HOFer either. He was incredible with my Cards. Won multiple GGs, was a great hitter, and won a WS. But his numbers just aren't HOF numbers. 8 GGs at third base is a lot, but he only had just over 2000 hits and 300 HRs. It used to be you needed either 3000 hits or 500 HRs to get in. I think Rolen belongs in the hall of very good.
@@johngalt60 Your not actually comparing Brett with Rolen. Here is the most ludicrous stat.. His WAR was better then Tony Gwynn. Rolen could not carry Gwynn's spikes. WAR is dysfunctional.
@@Gnofg yes, you compare players based on the position they played. That's how that works. And btw, Gwynn was a great hitter for average, but highly overrated.
Scott Rolen is a HOFer! Career: .281 BA, .364 OBP, .490 SLG, 316 HR, 1,287 RBI, 2,077 Hits Career: 122 OPS+, 70.1 WAR (Wins Above Replacement) 8-time Gold Glove Award winner (4th most for any 3rd baseman) (behind Brooks Robinson, Mike Schmidt & Nolan Arenado) 7-time All-Star 1997 Rookie of the year (.283 BA, 21 HR, 92 RBI, 121 OPS+) Hit .421 with 1.213 OPS in the 2006 World Series title with the Cardinals. Unlike A-Rod and Bonds he didn't cheat, just worked hard in a tainted game. Morally Great Player.
If you play first base... third base or the outfield and you don't have 400 homers next to your name you can't get into the Hall of Fame.... You have to be on multiple winning championship teams and you were the focal point and put up great numbers or you need 12 gold gloves and 12 All-Star appearances... Now Jim Edmonds Andrew Jones and players like that have to get in
Using home runs as a Hall of Fame metric is typical Flat Earther baseball goober talk. Rolen has a 70 WAR. There are only five guys in the history of baseball with a higher fWAR than Rolen not in the Hall of Fame. Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, ARod and Pete Rose. That's it. That's the list. Rolen is a standard HOF selection.
MLB should have times where no one gets in rather than vote in those who don’t deserve it,, HOF is watered down now to avoid bad PR which is ridiculous
Really good player but benefitted from the best hitters park ever created by humans. His 193-point home/road OPS difference is one of the highest in history... sorry Todd.
You may not say Scott Rolen and Babe Ruth, but the BBHOF standards were dropped a long, long time ago. The veterans committee inducted their buddies for years and they've come along and put lots of pre 1900 and negro league players that it's hard to say how great many of them were. Who'd you take, Rolen or Mazeroski/Aprricio/Hunter/etc
Yeah he’s the best defensive third baseman ever and a great hitter. He absolutely will get into the hall of fame because he deserves it just like Scott Rolen. No one wants to give credit for outstanding defense. Third base now has 16 players. Rolen is at worst number 10 and top 4 defensively. 8 gold gloves, 7 time all star, a key player in the Cardinals winning a World Series and making it to another. He’s a HOFer now so yinz need to stop crying like little girls.
@@davidkelty7688 😂I think Brooks Robinson and Michael Jack Schmidt would like to talk to you. I checked out Rolen’s Baseball Reference page and his Jaws/War stats all are on par with HOF third baseman. I guess Scott wasn’t flashy enough, didn’t have enough top 5 mvp finishes or isn’t in a exclusive club like 500 homers or 3,000 hits for inclusion into the club. I always thought he was borderline but congrats to him anyway.
Why are baseball fans so blind to defense. In hockey a goalie never scores but they are HOF’ers. In football defensive players are too but in baseball it’s overlooked.Rolen is definitely a HOF’er defensively on top of his 1200 rbis and 300 hrs
Rob must not know how important defense is. Rolen is the best I ever saw at 3B and was a very good hitter. Ortiz gets in and couldnt even play 1B or run. Sheffield was a great hitter, would probably be in if not for steroid rumors, but was atrocious in the field. There’s way more to the game than just hitting stats. Anything where humans are making decisions is going to be flawed one way or another.
He has 8 golden gloves which is 3rd all time for 3rd baseman. Mvps are a single season award and don’t tell you how good a player was for a career. He’s top ten in his position and at worst top four defensively in that position. That doesn’t mean this guy has watched Brooks Robinson or Mike Schmidt play so he can easily be the best defensive 3rd baseman he’s seen. Rolen was a key player in St. Louis winning a World Series and making it to another. He’s now a HOFer regardless of what any of you haters say lmao. He’s also only the 16th 3rd baseman to ever make it in the one hundred and whatever years the game has been played. He definitely deserves it regardless of what Rob’s clown ass thinks smh.
I think WAR is a fairly reliable statistic and Scott Rolen has a higher WAR than Tony Gwynn, Manny Ramirez, Carlton Fisk, Eddie Murray, Tim Raines, and Jim Palmer...But even WAR can't convince me that Scott Rolen belongs in the Hall of Fame with all those guys.
The only reason for that is because you ignore defense. . Rolen was outstanding defensively and third base is a defensively important position (as was Fisk). Eddie Murray, not so much. He also did everything pretty well. .855 OPS on top of his defense. All those guys have similar WARs. Truthfully I would put Rolen last on that list but they are all clear HOFers. Rolen is not really even a bubble guy. Rolen is a pretty clearly better than Sammy Sosa who Rob is adamant should be in.
Rob stole my HOF criteria. If I have to think about you being a HOFer or not then you’re probably not one. It should be easy. The only time it should be some hesitancy is if the person was disrespectful to the game in anyway. It’s the best of the best. That’s why when people say Eli Manning and Philip Rivers are HOFers I lose my mind. No way those guys belong in the same sentence as Montana, Elway, Young, Peyton, Brady etc
I agree with Rob to a certain extent but he said Schilling didn’t get in because he never won a Cy Young award. Well, neither did Nolan Ryan but he’s in the hall of fame. And trust me Nolan Ryan in my opinion is far superior than Schilling, Cy Young or not. But Rob needs to think about that one.
What's amusing is it is pretty easy to prove Schilling was a better pitcher. Schilling had a 127 ERA+ Ryan had a 112 ERA+ Schilling was a significantly better run stopper than Ryan. The argument for Ryan would be he has an 81.3 WAR vs Schilling 79.5 because Ryan pitched 2000 more innings. But Schillings peak 7 year WAR was 47.5. Ryan's was 38.2.
@@Markdfadf my point was more about Rob saying Schilling didn’t get in because he never won a Cy Young. If that’s the case then does he think any pitcher who hasn’t won a Cy Young shouldn’t be in the hall???
@@adamcarpenter1869 I got that originally. But I also knew Schilling's and Ryan's stats pretty well so I figured I would share even it isn't the bigger point, which is these guys have ridiculous views. Parker should not have a Hall of Fame vote. He didn't vote for Mussina or Schilling or Halladay or Blyleven or Bill Wagner but voted for Lee Smith, which is ridiculous.
Scott Rolen was a great player for Philadelphia, great player for St. Louis, one of the best defensive players in MLB history, great hitter at the third base position, a champion, a 7-time all-star, and an 8-time gold glover. I believe players like Todd Helton and Andruw Jones and Gary Sheffield deserve to be in the hall of fame, but Rolen deserves to be in. There are a bunch of hall of famers who Scott Rolen was better than. He was a better hitter than Brooks Robinson, who many considered the greatest third baseman ever. Rolen had a higher OPS than Brooks Robinson. Brooks got in first ballot 92%. Rolen hit for a higher average and OPS, hit more home runs and averaged more RBI and runs per season. You can't tell me Brooks Robinson is a first-ballot hall of famer and Rolen is not a hall of famer period when Rolen was a better player than Brooks.
Mike Schimdt is the greatest all-around third baseman. Wade Boggs is the best pure hitter at third base. Brooks Robinson is the greatest defensive third basemen. And Scott Rolen doesn't belong in the HOF.
If Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer so is Bobby Bonilla ! And any other player who has almost the same career stats as Rolen... It's Pathetic and Uttah Disgrace what the Hall of Fame has set the bar too these days
I agree, baseball hall of fame is a joke the last few years. Rob speaks the truth… And Tracey McGrady talent wise is top 10 all time in my mind.. injuries hurt his longevity. He is a hall of farmer in my book for sure, no questions asked.. Great show…,
I agree with Rob, Rolen was a solid player, but a HOF no. If he’s in Dave Parker definitely should be in. But that probably won’t happen because he was involved in the drug scandal back in the 80’s
These guys are clueless...... In the next couple of years Beltre and Helton and Ichiro will go into the Hall. Rolen was a more valuable player ( per year) than ANY or those guys .Easier to compare Beltre because he was at third .Rolen better defensively than Beltre and based on OPS + better offensively and I would say considerably better. Rolen's on base percentage was really good.I always thought because of that that Rolen should have been batting IN FRONT OF Albert Pujols not after. offensively .Yes Beltre played longer and that has some value ,but Rolen considerably higher level of performance.
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The all time hits leader, the all time home run leader, and a top 10 pitcher of all time are not in. This thing has been a joke.
Get educated
The thing about Clemens is by 1993 he had lost his fastball. It is pretty rare to ever regain your fastball once you lose it. Shockingly, by 1995( I saw him in Toronto) his fastball reappeared. He is one guy who was not HOF worthy until the roids. The other two are HOF out of the gate.
@@Gnofg Clemens for his 86 to 93 run with Boston alone was hall of fame worthy. At any rate it's the Hall of FAME, fame as in famous. As in, you can't talk about the history of this sport without this person as he's one of the most famous players ever.
@@anthonyanderson9303 with the exception if Koufax no one was ever elected to the HOF with a 7 year career. Clemens was no Koufax
If we compared every Hall of Fame candidate to Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Henry Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Albert Pujols, Stan Musial, there would be about 50 players in The Hall.
The HOF is for the elite not borderline players
@@terrancelewis8136 I would say that McGriff is borderline. Who else other than Rolen would you say is borderline? Not trying to have a “gotcha moment”. I’m genuinely interested.
The Hall should be about honoring the best players of their era. Guys that constantly went to All-Star Games and who you went to the stadium to see play. That encompasses more than just players like Ruth and Aaron.
I only followed Scott Rolen when he came to the Reds via the Edwin Encarnacion trade. I will say as a veteran he was the second or third best bat in our lineup in 2010 and that's with a prime Votto. Dude was a great leader and superior fielder. He deserves respect
Respect doesn’t mean HOF.
Shutup
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316 Hr 1200 RBI is not hall of fame plus he was a average 3rd baseman defensively. Plus he was juicing his whole career if you know you know.
You blowhards think every hall of famer should a inner circle hall of famer.
I lost faith in the HOF when Ken Griffey Jr wasn’t a unanimous first ballot HOFer
Ken Griffey is a first ballot hall of famer tho
@@Fresh0710 He wasn’t a “unanimous” fist ballot. Meaning someone didn’t think he deserved to be in which is beyond crazy.
@@scottfornance Only one guy ever has been unanimous, and that didn't happen until after Griffey was inducted.
Hank Aaron not only retired as the all-time leader in Home Runs, but he was second in hits. You could have taken away all 755 of his homers and he still would have had 3,000 hits. He is still the all-time leader in RBI and total bases (and from reading his bio, that last record was his favorite). He got 97.8% - 406 of 415 votes. Nine writers looked at HANK AARON and thought, "Nah."
Willie Mays got 409 of 432 votes, or 94.7%. Twenty three voters looked at WILLIE MAYS - 3,283 hits, 660 home runs, 338 steals, 2 MVP, 12 Gold Gloves, 24 All-Star Games, and author of maybe the most famous defensive play in history and thought, "He doesn't quite make it for me."
The system has always been screwed up. I wouldn't lose faith over the Hall because Griffey didn't get in. The voting is done by writers. Some of them are bound to be bitter cranks. We're actually getting fewer and fewer of them - as great as Griffey was, I don't think he has an argument as being greater than Aaron or Mays. But he only missed on three ballots.
Cobb, Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Koufax... none were unanimous. Which means someone didn't vote for them.... Huh???
Agree
We all loved Scott rolen, but hof….
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Baseball is fun to talk about when guys on tv actually decide to do it once in a blue moon. Wish they would give it more of a chance. Then listeners might take more of an interest in it.
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Rob’s single vote for Sheffield was the greatest HOF ballot ever.
Amazing his only vote was for a black guy 🤔
True i thought he was already in that's mess up Gary was a great player
whats great about wasting a ballot
If you have to give it some thought..you're NOT a HOF.
I agree with that to a degree, for example Eli Manning wasn't an elite QB but he has 2 Superbowl MVPs against Brady. Not even Peyton can say that and we know there's no question he's way better than Eli. But if Eli can't get in with 2 Superbowl MVPs sometime isn't right.
@RD Ogletree yea I think the NFL isn't as black & white as Baseball. Winning over stats is " weighted" in the NFL. Eli is a good example.
@@rdogletree4543 First, they're talking baseball, not football. And second, Eli isn't even close to sniffing the HOF.
@@greggibson33 I know it's a baseball topic but I was just giving an example of "If you have to give it a thought, you're not a HOF can still be one. But if you think those 2 Superbowl MVPs won't help his case all I can say is stay tuned in. He'll be eligible next year, he might not get in first ballot but it'll probably happen. If he does I'll come back to this post and say I told you he'll get in lol.
@@rdogletree4543 At the end of the day, those are just 2 games. I realize they're Superbowls, but if you look at the overwhelming majority of Eli's career, he was average at best.
Rob is a dummy for saying Schilling is not hall of fame worthy lol. He absolutely should be in the hall of fame and it's all due to politics that he's not in!
Todd Helton is a career .316 hitter. That is substantially better than Rolen's .281
Batting average is subpar as a stat , if one guy is batting .316 but only hitting 8 homers a year vs a guy batting .281 hitting 25 a year , of course Helton was a power hitter but in coors field
Todd Helton played in Colorado.....inflated numbers
@TennisPro17 Helton is not top 10 all time at his position. There are better first basemen that will never get in now. That being said, he will get in eventually.
Helton will get in next year, so the point is moot anyway.
Rolen was never going to win the MVP, but the man was one of if not the best defensive third baseman of his time
Keith hernandez has an mvp, 11 consecutive gold gloves and WS win and he ain't in. Stop it.
@@drexlspivey3047 Keith absolutely deserves to be in the hall. People act like your bat is the end all be all. It isn't. Keith hit for average and had good SLG. An Elite defender should always be considered for the HOF. In my opinion Scott deserves this. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@@danielsoutherd Rolen isn't a better fielder or hitter. If you want it watered down like the nfl hall fine.
Anyone who hit .281 better have 600 homers or 3000 hits
Well there’s gonna be no hall of famers in 15 years then because average isn’t important in the modern game. There’s a chance that no one ever gets 3000 hits again bc no one is trying to hit like that anymore. 600 home runs is also crazy even for people that care about counting stats. 450 home runs almost guarantees you make the hall for almost every position besides maybe first.
@@davidkelty7688 that’s why the baseball HOF ie watered down and pathetic.
@@davidkelty7688 Same thing with pitching. Nobody is getting to 300 wins anymore. Guys don't pitch enough.
@@blackway643 You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Ozzie Smith is in with under 2500 hits, 28 homers and a .262 career average in 19 years. Defense is factored in here. Does Rob think Smith shouldn't be in? If not why? Sure, he has more gold gloves....but I'd argue a few of his last ones were "familiarity" ones....kind of like Jeter got.
Sheffield is 1out of 4 players who have a career .290 2500 hits 500 HR 1500 RBI and 250 SB
Rolen won eight gold gloves. He had above average batting statistics and was even more valuable playing the hot corner. He had a higher career batting average and more career HRs than Brooks Robinson. His HOF induction is well deserved.
He definitely deserves it
Give me a break. Gold gloves does not make you a hof.
@@danielcohen9637 Got Ozzie Smith in.
@@danielcohen9637 Tell that to Ozzie and Robinson
@@KClouisville Ozzie won 13 GGs and is widely considered the best defensive SS ever. Rolen isn't the equivalent at 3rd base. Alex Gordon of the Royals won 8 GGs, too. Does he go in the HOF next?
Need rob on TV with a baseball segment or something especially during MLB season
Omar Vizquel should get in HOF
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Best sports podcast hands down. Its not even close
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Andruw Jones was Mr. Consistent on a team where he was overshadowed by 3 Cy Young winners and other players that got more press during the Yankees run to the world series 5 times in the same decade.
I dunno about that one….Andrew jones was pretty hyped as a phenom
@@ronniekregar3482 Andruw Jones had 434 HR which is more that Scott Rolen
Comical, he's top ten all time for third basemen. Loved that I got to see him, Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre play that position at the same time.
All three deserve and will be in, the Hall Of Fame.
Seriously???? Rolen over Sheffield???? What universe do I live in?
True but we know Sheffield was called out for using steroids. So like Barry Bonds, A-Rod, Mark McGwire, and Roger Clemens it's unfortunate that these elite players won't get voted in when they're clearly among the greatest to ever play the game.
@@rdogletree4543 You seem knowledgeable- what about Albert belle? Was he ever linked to PED s?
@@Knowing341 Not that I'm aware of, I know he wasn't in 2004 when Jose Canseco came out with his list. Do you remember when Rafael Palmeiro looked into the camera and denied using? Then not much later he tested positive for using and never played again.
@@rdogletree4543 How did David Ortiz get in? By being likable?
@@jasonspades7775 Pretty much, you know alot of this stuff is about how much they like you. Barry Bonds was a butthole to the media so even though he never tested positive they held it against him. But it's ridiculous because Barry was great in his younger days before her was ever accused of using.
MLB for the last 10 years has been putting in players that do not deserve the honor. Unfortunately it has become a way for very good players to be honored.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Plenty of players pre-70s that have been in for decades wouldn’t sniff the hall by todays standards. It’s a completely false narrative for clueless complainers like you to harp on. Sorry if you aren’t educated enough on baseball to understand that Rolen is a hall of famer.
Ummm... It is harder to get in the Hall of Fame now than at any point in the history of baseball.
Speaking of which, the NFL needs to come up with a QB award like the Cy young award in the Mlb for pitchers... call it the Tom Brady award
Todd Helton got a raw deal
Played entire career in the easiest park to hit in history... he benefited from Air-rhoids.
You clearly know nothing about Coors field lmao. Coors field is a hitters park but that high attitude has a huge disadvantage. When traveling to other parks it’s extremely hard to adjust to different altitudes constantly. Helton was great on the road as well as at home. The same argument was made against Larry Walker for years but he finally got in because he deserved to be. Walker is better then Helton but still deserves to make it.
@@davidkelty7688 Untrue, both Helton and Walker's stats were far less on the road. (Helton's 193-point home/road OPS difference is one of the highest in history. Walker hit a 100 points higher at Corked field.) But good to know your an altitude expert.😆
@@greggibson33 MLB has a park there so it is what it is. Chuck Klein benefitted heavily from his home games in Philadelphia, so this is not unheard of.
@@davidkelty7688 He also had to play in the NL West, which has several pitcher-friendly parks...it all evens out lol
Robs out of his mind for disrespecting Fred Mcgriff
McGriff? Rolen is infinitely better than McGriff and they went nuts on Rolen.
Scott is a good man and helped a lot, he was amazing with st Louis and what he did for that team, idgaf who else had him, the other teams were trash the years they had him, he did a lot to help St. Louis win and deserves every bit of it, especially after 17 seasons. A true milestone in itself.
8 gold gloves is not just nice...it's all-time
No it's not when you have Brook Robinson with 18
@@Jayoplantern And Keith hernandez had 11 straight and he ain't in.
@@drexlspivey3047 1st base isn't in the same universe as the hot corner in regards to defensive difficulty. There's a reason why before the DH and in the National League they'd throw big lugs over there who would humiliate themselves most anywhere else on the field.
@@drexlspivey3047 Jim Edmonds 8x
@@Jayoplantern Top 5 at his position. What because Robinson got inducted on his defense no one else can? No one else can be a good defender at 3rd in the HoF?
Rolen is a hall of famer, but Albert Belle and Schilling can get in? G.T.F.O.H.!
You meant to say Barry Bonds can’t get in.
Albert Belle is not in the same universe as Rolen. Jesus. The average fan is stupid.
Skip is right. If you have to think about it, then the player shouldn’t be in the HOF.
That is incredibly stupid
The thing that Chris and Rob don’t want to admit is the media is the reason why people like Barry Bonds isn’t in the Hall of Fame. If you a player that was nice to the media when you played, they will vote for you but if the player wasn’t nice to the media like Barry Bonds wasn’t then you don’t get their votes.
Dick Allen and Curt Schilling had the same problem. David Ortiz got in despite being mentioned in the same article as Sammy Sosa alleging a failed 2003 test. Ortiz was loved by the media and Sosa was hated.
Andruw Jones should've been in the HOF
no
If he had a career ending injury right after his peak, I would agree. But his decline was far too much. I would vote no.
The Hall of Corruption should be the new name.
Meanwhile Barry Bonds not in👨🏾🦯
Word Up Unbelievable 😮
He cheated I don't think any cheater should be in.
I love how elitist themedia are thinking that THEY DETERMINE WHO IS WORTHY enough lol. It's becoming a joke the level of power the media has
Scott Rolen is a hall of famer. He's just the all around great player that deserves to be in who doesn't happen to have the milestones
His WAR is better than Gwynn. LOL Rolen couldn't carry Gwynn's spikes. WAR is dysfunctional. The only player who got into the hall for fielding is Ozzie. He was one of a kind. Rolen is not Brooks Robinson in the field.
@@Gnofgwhat did Tony Gwynn do so great other than hit singles? All those hits and only scored a minimum of ninety runs four times. I'd take Jeter over him in a heartbeat. Probably take Rolen too.
💯 Rob is spot on here. You are either a HOF’er or you’re not. How the hell can you NOT be a HOF’er 5-6 years ago… but now you are? Makes no friggin sense to me. It is now the Hall of Somewhat Very Good now.
I normally don’t agree wit Rob but I agree 100%
The hall of very good
Good Guy Club average at best at this point
Totally agree with Rob here
Scott Rolen told Harold Baines to hold his beer.
Matt Chapman is now going to the HOF
In there primes if you would have traded andruw Jones for Scott Rolen you would have been fired instantly
"Who the fock is that guy (Scott Rolen)?!?!?" says Conor McGregor and everyone else.
It's the everyone gets a trophy you aren't allowed to say no you weren't great enough and don't belong. I have no kids I'm divorced I'm lonely and touch my self watching golden girls😂😂😂😂😂
When you consider that Ron Santo had to wait until he was dead to get in, I have to agree.
I would have put Scott Rolen in there before Harold Baines. Fred McGriff being rewarded by his friends in the VC when Bonds and Clemens couldn’t even get four votes? That’s crazy.
Defense matters. Scott Rolen belongs. Almost as good a defender as Brooks Robinson and a much better hitter. One of the top 10-12 HOFers.
I always thought Sheffield should be in the HOF. He wasn't a very good spokesman, had a few clashes with management and fans. But you know what? So did Ted Williams! He is a no doubters! Not saying Sheffield is at the level as Tes but...... 500 Home Runs and more walks than strikeouts is pretty remarkable! That's a HOFer!
It's so strange for Rob to mention Babe Ruth's name when arguing against Scott Rolen's HOF candidacy. Ruth is probably the GOAT. By that standard, no one should get into Cooperstown.
I loved Fred McGriff
Rob Parker, who should know a lot more about baseball than he does, should be smart enough to understand Rolen is a HOFer.
Less than 1.5% of all players have been elected to the Hall of Fame. Rolen is a top 10 3B of all time.
Guys, WAKE UP! Look up SEVERAL of the Hall of Famers of the past. Tinkers, Evers, and Chance - Their careers COMBINED aren't worthy of one HOF plaque. Your standards for perfection are BALONEY, and you won't draw if you stop with 30 - 40 ballplayers. I'm not sure Rolen deserved the HOF, but did Bill Mazeroszi? What about Phil Rizzuto? Would he be in the HOF if he wasn't a Yankee? Curt Schilling should be in the HOF, though - That's BS, and the writers are holding his words against him. If he was a liberal, he would have been in years ago. Rolen is in Cooperstown... Get over it.
Where is Steve Garvey, Dave Parker, Dale Murphy, Lou Whittaker, and Dick Allen. All mentioned players were Rookie of Year or MVP’s. Research it.
All of hall of fame sports has to be tough real tough to get in
Shaun Alexander won a MVP so that pretty much destroys Robs logic
Alexander played baseball? Who knew?
@@greggibson33 No I’m talking about him acting like winning MVPs gets you into the HOF
this is such a dumb comment
@@lyndonchastain3181 so did McNair , Shannon's, and Cam , nine them sniffing the HoF. Do no any baseball MVPs not I. The Hall , probably a couple
There’s a ton of mvps that aren’t in the hall. There’s even three guys that never made the ballot. It’s a single season award and should only help players to get in, not hurt them from getting in.
I think every hall of fame should do away with the multiple ballots that way they can get rid of the sympathy voting
Agree. Scott Rollen was slightly above average in his career. They might as well let everyone in. The HOF should only be for the select few who are truly great. That should be for any sport
If Rolen is in the Hall, then Jeff Kent needs to be in too.
Scott rolen was best known for being a decent 3b on a very weak 2006 Cardinals team that won the world series.
Hall of fame is a joke Scott ain't no damn Hall of famer
Yep. There are years when they don't vote for anyone. When in other sports a least 5 guys or gals get in. MLB Hall of Fame is weird as hell.
I've been a Cards fan since 1960. I think Ken Boyer was the best Cards third baseman ever and is not in the HOF yet compares with his equal for his era Ron Santo of the Cubs. I think a difference maker for Rolen was his defense like an Ozzie Smith. Maybe Rolen went up because the level of competition changed for him. Most look at offensive numbers and anyone attached to the steroids era has really been hurt in voting. You do make good arguments. The player I think of as a good ballplayer but not HOF worthy is Keith Hernandez. When I think of HOF worthy I think of Willie Mays and Henry Aaron.
Maybe they should start a Hall 2 for very good but not great ones. Boyer would certainly make that list, as would Rocky Colavito, Roger Maris, Waury Wills, Frank Howard, Harvey Kuenn, Bill White and Joe Adcock from that same era.
I'd put Rolen there too.
The Hall should be just for the great ones, like Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Williams, Musial, Feller, Koufax, Gibson and others of that caliber.
@@hiramnoone I do understand what you are saying. In St. Louis some look at his exceptional defense like an Ozzie Smith or a Brooks Robinson, but it is not everybody. Ken Boyer stands out better for me because his best years were with the Cards and played longer for STL whereas Rolen played longer for the Phillies and had good years there as well. What happens is when a Ron Santo makes it and you saw them play then it makes you wonder why not Ken Boyer. It's the watering down that was discussed. That was a good list of good ballplayers when I was a kid growing up in the 1960s born in 1953.
I don’t think Santo belonged, but it was far worse that the VC waited until after he was deceased to let him in. The VC has made some correct decisions in recent years like Hodges, but then there are all the head scratchers.
@@Butterandbacon Also going on is players like Mays and Aaron are like 100 percentile hall of famers, but what is the 75 percentile hall of famer? Gil Hodges was a good choice. I think you cannot just go all by batting numbers like I see some doing because great defense does matter as well. Those great on defense took away runs and were a pitcher's best friend.
@@larryloveless2967 Yeah, it has been watered down when you consider the greats against players like Rolen who was nowhere near of that caliber of player. Certainly a good one, but not a great one which in my opinion should be the only sort elected to The Hall.
When you consider the era Boyer played in, he along with Eddie Mathews (500 plus homers was his ticket) were the best at their position in the NL for a stretch of ten years. Likewise Santo for the ten years following, so certainly an argument for all of their being in when you consider Rolen.
One of these worst takes I’ve ever heard , Scott token is a 7 time all star , 8 time gold glover , 70 career war
Agreed. I actually felt I was losing brain cells. Almost everything they said was either a bad take or just factually incorrect.
Rob Parker thinks Tom Brady is a system QB. Was this take really surprising?
As a lifelong Cardinals fan, I don't think Rolen is a HOFer either. He was incredible with my Cards. Won multiple GGs, was a great hitter, and won a WS. But his numbers just aren't HOF numbers. 8 GGs at third base is a lot, but he only had just over 2000 hits and 300 HRs. It used to be you needed either 3000 hits or 500 HRs to get in. I think Rolen belongs in the hall of very good.
You never had to have 3000 hits or 500 home runs to get in. Look at it this way, George Brett had three thousand more at bats, and one more home run.
@@johngalt60 Your not actually comparing Brett with Rolen. Here is the most ludicrous stat.. His WAR was better then Tony Gwynn. Rolen could not carry Gwynn's spikes. WAR is dysfunctional.
@@Gnofg yes, you compare players based on the position they played. That's how that works.
And btw, Gwynn was a great hitter for average, but highly overrated.
@@johngalt60 Gwyyn played when hitting to all fields was important. Now we see HR and SO’s. You probably think Aaron was better than May’s.
@@Gnofg I know you're not comparing Tony Gwynn to Aaron or Mays?!
Jim Edmonds will be in the Hall of Fame
Scott Rolen is a HOFer!
Career: .281 BA, .364 OBP, .490 SLG, 316 HR, 1,287 RBI, 2,077 Hits
Career: 122 OPS+, 70.1 WAR (Wins Above Replacement)
8-time Gold Glove Award winner (4th most for any 3rd baseman) (behind Brooks Robinson, Mike Schmidt & Nolan Arenado)
7-time All-Star
1997 Rookie of the year (.283 BA, 21 HR, 92 RBI, 121 OPS+)
Hit .421 with 1.213 OPS in the 2006 World Series title with the Cardinals.
Unlike A-Rod and Bonds he didn't cheat, just worked hard in a tainted game. Morally Great Player.
Some of favorite Yankee players are all time Yankees but I know they are not HOF material. I’m with Rob !
Agree with Rob. It's the Hall of Fame, not hall of very good
If you play first base... third base or the outfield and you don't have 400 homers next to your name you can't get into the Hall of Fame.... You have to be on multiple winning championship teams and you were the focal point and put up great numbers or you need 12 gold gloves and 12 All-Star appearances... Now Jim Edmonds Andrew Jones and players like that have to get in
Using home runs as a Hall of Fame metric is typical Flat Earther baseball goober talk. Rolen has a 70 WAR. There are only five guys in the history of baseball with a higher fWAR than Rolen not in the Hall of Fame. Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, ARod and Pete Rose. That's it. That's the list. Rolen is a standard HOF selection.
MLB should have times where no one gets in rather than vote in those who don’t deserve it,, HOF is watered down now to avoid bad PR which is ridiculous
It's happened 9 times before in which no one got inducted
When they let Harold Baines in all bets were off on the standard for enshrinement Cooperstown. It will be watered down from here in out
Freaking love Sheffield
When is Todd Helton gonna get in the HOF
Probably next year.
Really good player but benefitted from the best hitters park ever created by humans. His 193-point home/road OPS difference is one of the highest in history... sorry Todd.
Rob is right an unquestionable career
You may not say Scott Rolen and Babe Ruth, but the BBHOF standards were dropped a long, long time ago. The veterans committee inducted their buddies for years and they've come along and put lots of pre 1900 and negro league players that it's hard to say how great many of them were. Who'd you take, Rolen or Mazeroski/Aprricio/Hunter/etc
Nolan Arenado has had a similar if not better career than Rolen up to this point.
I guess this mean he’s definitely getting in!
Except Arenado is missing one important piece of jewelry that Rolan has
Yeah he’s the best defensive third baseman ever and a great hitter. He absolutely will get into the hall of fame because he deserves it just like Scott Rolen. No one wants to give credit for outstanding defense. Third base now has 16 players. Rolen is at worst number 10 and top 4 defensively. 8 gold gloves, 7 time all star, a key player in the Cardinals winning a World Series and making it to another. He’s a HOFer now so yinz need to stop crying like little girls.
I mean, yeah he was always a lock regardless
@@HEAT4YOAZZ don’t think Titles are as relevant in Baseball as they are in other sports. I get your point, Arenado has some missing hardware.
@@davidkelty7688 😂I think Brooks Robinson and Michael Jack Schmidt would like to talk to you.
I checked out Rolen’s Baseball Reference page and his Jaws/War stats all are on par with HOF third baseman.
I guess Scott wasn’t flashy enough, didn’t have enough top 5 mvp finishes or isn’t in a exclusive club like 500 homers or 3,000 hits for inclusion into the club.
I always thought he was borderline but congrats to him anyway.
How is Rolen in the HOF and Jeff Kent Andrew, Jones and Gary Sheffield are not in this is a joke! 😂
Why are baseball fans so blind to defense. In hockey a goalie never scores but they are HOF’ers. In football defensive players are too but in baseball it’s overlooked.Rolen is definitely a HOF’er defensively on top of his 1200 rbis and 300 hrs
I know if Trammell made it Lou Whitaker better make it too
Rob must not know how important defense is. Rolen is the best I ever saw at 3B and was a very good hitter.
Ortiz gets in and couldnt even play 1B or run.
Sheffield was a great hitter, would probably be in if not for steroid rumors, but was atrocious in the field.
There’s way more to the game than just hitting stats.
Anything where humans are making decisions is going to be flawed one way or another.
How many gold gloves does he have? Does defense get you an MVP? Stop it. Many greats have manned the hot corner. You're ridiculous.
He has 8 golden gloves which is 3rd all time for 3rd baseman. Mvps are a single season award and don’t tell you how good a player was for a career. He’s top ten in his position and at worst top four defensively in that position. That doesn’t mean this guy has watched Brooks Robinson or Mike Schmidt play so he can easily be the best defensive 3rd baseman he’s seen. Rolen was a key player in St. Louis winning a World Series and making it to another. He’s now a HOFer regardless of what any of you haters say lmao. He’s also only the 16th 3rd baseman to ever make it in the one hundred and whatever years the game has been played. He definitely deserves it regardless of what Rob’s clown ass thinks smh.
@@davidkelty7688 Scott Rolen was not one of the elite players in all of baseball history.
@@davidkelty7688 Damn you just made a pretty damn good argument.
Saying Scott Rolen was not an elite player is laughable
Rob is 1000 pct right here. Rolen is not a HOF he was very good..Nolan Arenado is a HOF now...
I think WAR is a fairly reliable statistic and Scott Rolen has a higher WAR than Tony Gwynn, Manny Ramirez, Carlton Fisk, Eddie Murray, Tim Raines, and Jim Palmer...But even WAR can't convince me that Scott Rolen belongs in the Hall of Fame with all those guys.
The only reason for that is because you ignore defense. . Rolen was outstanding defensively and third base is a defensively important position (as was Fisk). Eddie Murray, not so much. He also did everything pretty well. .855 OPS on top of his defense. All those guys have similar WARs. Truthfully I would put Rolen last on that list but they are all clear HOFers. Rolen is not really even a bubble guy. Rolen is a pretty clearly better than Sammy Sosa who Rob is adamant should be in.
Lol he's right about Rivera. I forgot about that hehe
Rob stole my HOF criteria. If I have to think about you being a HOFer or not then you’re probably not one. It should be easy. The only time it should be some hesitancy is if the person was disrespectful to the game in anyway. It’s the best of the best. That’s why when people say Eli Manning and Philip Rivers are HOFers I lose my mind. No way those guys belong in the same sentence as Montana, Elway, Young, Peyton, Brady etc
I agree with Rob to a certain extent but he said Schilling didn’t get in because he never won a Cy Young award. Well, neither did Nolan Ryan but he’s in the hall of fame. And trust me Nolan Ryan in my opinion is far superior than Schilling, Cy Young or not. But Rob needs to think about that one.
What's amusing is it is pretty easy to prove Schilling was a better pitcher. Schilling had a 127 ERA+ Ryan had a 112 ERA+ Schilling was a significantly better run stopper than Ryan. The argument for Ryan would be he has an 81.3 WAR vs Schilling 79.5 because Ryan pitched 2000 more innings. But Schillings peak 7 year WAR was 47.5. Ryan's was 38.2.
@@Markdfadf my point was more about Rob saying Schilling didn’t get in because he never won a Cy Young. If that’s the case then does he think any pitcher who hasn’t won a Cy Young shouldn’t be in the hall???
@@adamcarpenter1869 I got that originally. But I also knew Schilling's and Ryan's stats pretty well so I figured I would share even it isn't the bigger point, which is these guys have ridiculous views. Parker should not have a Hall of Fame vote. He didn't vote for Mussina or Schilling or Halladay or Blyleven or Bill Wagner but voted for Lee Smith, which is ridiculous.
He was the man. I’m not gonna watch anymore.
Scott Rolen was a great player for Philadelphia, great player for St. Louis, one of the best defensive players in MLB history, great hitter at the third base position, a champion, a 7-time all-star, and an 8-time gold glover. I believe players like Todd Helton and Andruw Jones and Gary Sheffield deserve to be in the hall of fame, but Rolen deserves to be in. There are a bunch of hall of famers who Scott Rolen was better than. He was a better hitter than Brooks Robinson, who many considered the greatest third baseman ever. Rolen had a higher OPS than Brooks Robinson. Brooks got in first ballot 92%. Rolen hit for a higher average and OPS, hit more home runs and averaged more RBI and runs per season. You can't tell me Brooks Robinson is a first-ballot hall of famer and Rolen is not a hall of famer period when Rolen was a better player than Brooks.
Mike Schimdt is the greatest all-around third baseman. Wade Boggs is the best pure hitter at third base. Brooks Robinson is the greatest defensive third basemen. And Scott Rolen doesn't belong in the HOF.
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz if Brooks Robinson deserves to get in the hall of fame first ballot at 92%, Scott Rolen deserves to get in the hall of fame
Easy way is move 75% to 90% so all borderline guys will never make into the hall.
Mike Schmidt......Scott Rolen.......George Brett.......Scott Rolen
I wouldve preffered robin ventura who atleast has a memorable moment the grand slam single
The all time home run leader isnt in the hall of fame lol so the committee has no credibility
If Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer so is Bobby Bonilla ! And any other player who has almost the same career stats as Rolen... It's Pathetic and Uttah Disgrace what the Hall of Fame has set the bar too these days
I agree, baseball hall of fame is a joke the last few years. Rob speaks the truth… And Tracey McGrady talent wise is top 10 all time in my mind.. injuries hurt his longevity. He is a hall of farmer in my book for sure, no questions asked.. Great show…,
I agree with Rob, Rolen was a solid player, but a HOF no. If he’s in Dave Parker definitely should be in. But that probably won’t happen because he was involved in the drug scandal back in the 80’s
Dave Parker is not in the universe. Geez. Some of these takes.
Baseball hall of fame is a damn joke
I agree with you
baseball's popularity has plummeted. this is one of the a major reasons why. rolan was never the best 3rd baseman in the game at any point.
These guys are clueless...... In the next couple of years Beltre and Helton and Ichiro will go into the Hall. Rolen was a more valuable player ( per year) than ANY or those guys .Easier to compare Beltre because he was at third .Rolen better defensively than Beltre and based on OPS + better offensively and I would say considerably better. Rolen's on base percentage was really good.I always thought because of that that Rolen should have been batting IN FRONT OF Albert Pujols not after. offensively .Yes Beltre played longer and that has some value ,but Rolen considerably higher level of performance.
Baseball HOF is turning into a joke
Roles was a beast but he's not on Aaron, Dimaggio, Mantle, Griffey level
Neither are most of the people in the hall including those that have been in for decades
There is no way in this earth anyway you look at it Scott rolen is not a hall of famer.