Ohma Niko style isn't complete to our knowledge I think there is more to offer in the Niko style then the formless cause the formless has no discipline in its attacks and defense. Techniques with no form are for the most part risky. In real life I think a formless technique would be a 'unorthodox ' strike or defensive move, which only works for few fighters, but puts them all at risk of getting clipped....if I'm making sense lol
The formless should be the strongest. Its a martial art without form, like water, it finds a way through. But it's not the martial art but the martial artist.
niko style is stronger when both are in their base form, but if the fight drags out long enough the person using formless will adapt to the opponents strategy
True but kanoh mention formless is unsuited with long consecutive fight so niko style might has edge compare formless not to count formless user could get beaten if the user can see some flaw on formless like kuroki did
@@vincentwijaya5479 he meant feeling out his opponent to find a custom strategy to beat them takes more energy than crushing them with martial arts. That's a moot point in just a single fight and is only applicable in the tournament setting
Very good arguments for both Niko Style and Formless. However, if we compare Ohma's Niko Style and Kanoh's fusion of Formless and Martial Arts we gotta remember that Martial Arts is pretty much an infinite warehouse of almost every martial art out there from grappling and MMA to perfect foresight + evolution. Kanoh had 160+ official Kengan matches and anyone without proportional experience will get fucked including Ohma. Also Kanoh's literally twice Ohma's size so the reach gap will limit Demonsbane to only long range counters which Kanoh will know and gladly exploit.
Some of the Kure techniques look like Niko style techniques, Hardslam and Buddha killer look like variations of flashing steel. Leg thrust looks like an iron breaker kick, and lions bite looks like entanglement.
I think tokita niko (ohmas master) developed the base niko style and so did ohma. This style that was developed i think is stronger than formless. I also think formless is just a very complex use of the water kata, just like the grapples of the water kata is unconventional and places emphasis on flexibility and fluidity of motion. Also the move water mirror which he used on his fight with cosmo, says, "there is no specific form for Water Mirror it allows the user to be flexible and change the way they use it in a fight situation". from this i can guess tiger niko used the water kata as a base for the formless and just expanded on that.
I also think the formless isnt unpredictable. But it just adapts to the current situation which counters the style in a way that its hard for them to react. It uses the styles fluidity to do unconventional moves which catches the opponent off guard. If it was really "unpredictable" kanoh wouldnt be able to block lu tiens moves, kanoh was even able to predict to stop atacking one point of the fight or hed lose at that moment. So its definetely not unpredictable but its just hard to predict i guess
Well actually im not surprised since karla asked ohma to marry her he may or may not give in but im looking forward to whatever kid they have the advance with removal and niko style with kure techniques
@@ThaGuyXaii Spoilers kinda They only taught the "legal" kure techniques aka techniques that are intended for combat sports or general use, they never taught him assassination techniques because Ohma himself doesn't like the idea of assassinating someone
@@pp-zu2tv I’m not saying it makes you invincible. The fact that you point out that it can “only” deflect pistol fire just makes my point even stronger.
Lmao I remember on February 9th I was thinking about new Technique styles and names like Thee Awakening, Super Son's Style and another was Formless Freestyle lol what a coincidence.
A formless user seems to be made of water. Formless seems to rely on extreme muscle relaxation and flexibility. Think shaori for defense, and cockroach dash for offense, but on a way smaller scale. Also it has no fixed form, the body just goes for whatever is the most effective KINDA like ultra instinct, but on a waaaaaay smaller scale. That's how I see formless.
@@vakojaparidze108 Huh good point but still i wouldn't think that he would just abound it completely the niko style is just too good to let go a combination of both style kinda like how agito does would be more optimal.
I have a theory why tiger niko survived and didn't learn the demonsbane. In the trial instead of learning demonsbane he probably learned formless seeing as how the requirements to learn the style are the same as demonsbane.
nah, martial arts can incorporate the niko style also, in agitos case he has adamantine in the martial art arsenal so you just compare formless+niko style vs niko style, and the first wins ofc.
@@acosteac8050 actually depending on the user the Niko style might win because kanoh practices martial arts and he was fast enough to get lu when he was tense so a Niko style user might be able to do the same with raging fire.
@@r3a1itygamezz14 As Kanoh himslef said in his fight vs Gaolang, it is unuseful to have many styles incorporated, as the time needed to pick a movement increases, even for a few instants that, when fighting Gaolang, become vital
@@dontlikethiscomment removal damaged brain of user and when fighters like Ryan uses removal they just attack on custom way and can't use another technics like Niko style. When ohma uses advance he can put on niko style so....
@@ANINCETO99 Wrong. Advance damages Ohma's heart/body, while removal doesn't have any bad side effects. It's just Raian's personality. He didn't use his techniques at all cuz he's not very smart.
@@dontlikethiscomment nope the side effect of removal is brain problem look fight lu tian vs kanoh , Lu going in another level of crazy. And he got knocked by one shot dragon shot punch.
I dont know if you've ever watched boxing but there was a boxer named ''Smoking'' Joe Frazier. He usually dodged the opponents attacks but always pressuring them and being on the attack while simultaneously bobbing and weaving using eradic head movements. Those movements would also contribute to very strong and unpredictable attacks mid to close range. I think the formless style is something like that but in a MMA setting. The water effect is supposed to represent how it feels for the opponent to throw a strike and then suddenly miss at the last possible second. Like fighting water or air.
Ok I'll explain the formless style since you didn't know. It's a style that uses some moves to beat your opponent. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
My take on both is the Niko style is best preformed when a practitioner puts use to all the forms with seamless transition, none of them have done that yet Omha is the closest. The others including Other Niko perfected the Kata's they were best at then Other Niko leveled it it up to Formless ( my guess water kata) at its perfected limit. Ryuki appears to have his own set ups its not that boxed in to a set of Katas. The developer Ryuki's Grandfather does what works best with any part of his body.
The Niko style has overpowered techniques that the formless style just doesn't, the Niko style is all about mastering fundamentals of martial arts to prepare the user for the demon's Bane. The formless style is influenced by the Niko style but is about using the right technique at the right time. The water look is not about the water Kata it's about fluidly transitioning between moves because we have seen water Kata user's they generally don't look like that when using it.
Gotta say Niko Style because the user always has options even when heavily injured, while unfortunately formless once the timing is figured out a good solid hit usually forces the style to crumble.
The Niko style is all about bodily mastery in preparation for the demon's Bane. But come on the Niko style is powerful, but it is looks rigid in comparison to the formless style which incorporates the basics of the Niko style into it. Also the demon's Bane an ultimate counter is not perfect it has the same weakness all counters do timing. Also it's the person that breaks not the style.
@@aidenmurdoch Both Agito and LU Tian had the same issue of if an opponent figured out their timing the technique began to crumble, Ohma even after injures that should be debilitating fought multiple opponents with Various techniques always had options.
Hear me out. Give formless style the basic concepts of the niko style (indestructible, weeping willow, bone binding, earth shrinking, water mirror, and demonsbane, aka the techniques that already dont have a set form and can be used whenever). Adding these to formless would make it OP, so just combine the styles
Honestly the formless style seems to fall short of most of the overpowered abilities of the Niko style especially the redirection style. But it doesn't seem like it would be weaker than the Niko style, not just because aghito uses it. But because the Niko style seems rigid in comparison. Even the demon's Bane an incredibly powerful technique is a counter which requires mastery of timing prediction redirection and body softening, the best thing for that is the unpredictability of the formless style.
Personally speaking, i'd say formless is better than niko because of it's ability to adapt... and adaptation always leads to victory unless, your opponent is Beard, then there would be no guarantee
Going to watch the video later but first thoughts is that’s a hard one . Both are extremely versatile and hax styles. Tho agito did have to add martial arts to his repertoire become of the limitations formless had . While ohma is probably on agito level with just niko style alone. So base off that I would say niko style >
I'm a bit late to this video but here is my thoughts. The Niko style is a blend of techniques to allow you to adapt to any fighting opponent, while utilizing or sticking to your strengths. Example Ohma is pretty strong with the Adamantine Kata. I am willing to bet that Tiger niko's mastery of the Niko style is a mastery of the water kata. I believe that he figured out a way or just mastered the water kata to such a high level that he figured out how to apply the water kata to himself, thus creating formless. So in short look at formless as being a master of the water kata of the Niko style. When ever we see the Tiger Niko get into a scrap on screen, if he pulls out the niko style I bet you he uses the water kata to a high level. After all look at how fei attacked Waka. He used primarily the water kata. And look at the Lu tian and Agito fight. A lot of the panels were drawn as if those two were water. Probably foreshadowing or paying respect to the fact that formless is heavily based off of the water kata of the Niko style.
Formless would be like water. Imagine trying to choke water it would slip out of your choke imagine trying to strike water it would simply bend around your fist and then return to its former state.
Well in my opinion Formless is better in destructive sense as using that it is just focusing on whoever is in front of you While Niko style can be used as self defense as the more the technique are their the harder to master them and In way of kuroki using the right technique at right time is martial arts But formless has no set technique
I think the Formless well be the Tiger Niko's counter to Demon's bane. Like what is Formless good at? Not takinging a direct hit. Demon's bane is by its core a counter attack. You can beat counter attack by not taking the hit. So a counter to a counter. Also T.Niko says that the Niko style has reached a dead end and hes right. If D.Bane is is ultimate technique then where does it go from there? There is nothing else to learn and relys on the fighters abilities from there. Now what increases a fighters abilities? The Advance. So boom....T.Niko's goal was to not only have a counter to the D.Bane of the Niko style but to also have a way to advance the abilities of the Niko user and a pure formless user. T.Niko could end up being the person who layed the groundwork to the advancement of a style that has reached it's dead end in the Niko style.
I dont think Tiger Niko trained the Tigers Vessel. I think the Tigers Vessel is one of the surviving Nikos and judging by how he speaks maybe he caused the massacre at the forest.
Didn't that tribal fighter from purgatory that Julius fought know some of the niko style i feel like I remember him knowing that for some reason maybe im wrong
His island’s tribe had techniques that were similar to various techniques from the Niko style water kata, but they were not actual Niko style techniques.
To be more precise he had redirection(wind) and water kata's to his mudo style and a combination of both of those making the moving mountain which is inferior demonsbane in that he doesn't adamantine for more mobility.
@@aldokurti3272 to be honest it was his skill that made it a weaker demon's Bane. His redirection skill was obviously below ohma's, I mean he was extremely competent and the adamantine Kata is the least important for the demon's Bane.
formless is a style that doesn't go by the book. it can't be predicted, because there is no basis that it is based off. it's all based off in the moment, quickly deciding your next move, and constantly rechoosing another move on the spot instead of having a plan of how you're going to fight. it's literally an on the spot freestyle, reacting as best as you can to the situation and quickly choosing any potential move, instead of sticking to 1 form. That's how I think it is
I don’t know how far Ohma has come along but I still have a strong feeling in my gut the fang has the upper hand. Witch would mean the Formless is superior. I’m starting to think the Ohma we know is the a clone of the tiger vessel.
So basically you have no respect for lu tians words, all he said is false according to you and advance is indeed the ultimate technique and its better than formless because why not, headcannon is strong. We should focus on what we have in manga and not in our own headcannon, in manga so far we got the confirmation that advance and falled are indeed not good techniqeus. Its actually funny how they call advance a niko style techniques, but in reality it has almost no meaning in the original style itself.
@@mysteriousweeb well the most important basis is that he was the student of the tiger niko, I bet he knew a thing or 2 about his master, from the flashback the tiger niko said that lu tian was/is a rly prodigy, I bet their relation is rly close. Now what basis do you have to say that Lu does not know what he is talking about?
@@acosteac8050 didn't evil Niko also say the formless style was a dead end. That's why Lu Tian knows the removal, also I think it gives credence to the idea evil Niko doesn't know the demon's Bane, since formless is a demon's Bane lite.
So Kiryu still thinks ohma is dead(so I’m assuming) so if ryuki doesn’t go back to kengan and he goes with kiryu. Will the fallen beast revert or will he not take it too serious? But what if he comes back with ryuki and sees ohma? I wonder what will happen
The Formless style is basically the Water Kata of the Niko Style on steroids. It's an expanded derivative of the Niko Style. That being said, I think Niko Style is generally better. That isn't discrediting Formless, though. Formless is a very good and versatile style. However, Niko Style has more going for it, and it is overall a better style.
Idk why any comment I make on here I make it while watching the vid...sorry 😂 and is it just me or was ohma not surpised/impressed by the use of formless ?🤔
But wouldn't that put omah's niko above even kanoh. I mean he killed the tiger niko who should have been able to use advance which lu tien probably didn't know about while he was already injured and still managed to put up a good fight against kiryu's Master. Also it took the removal to completely destroy his sanity for Liu ten to even think he was stronger than the tiger niko who was probably stronger than Liu ten knew
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Ohma Niko style isn't complete to our knowledge I think there is more to offer in the Niko style then the formless cause the formless has no discipline in its attacks and defense. Techniques with no form are for the most part risky. In real life I think a formless technique would be a 'unorthodox ' strike or defensive move, which only works for few fighters, but puts them all at risk of getting clipped....if I'm making sense lol
The only downside to Formless is that you'll look like a mad man with a really large grin
I think thats just badass
@@vakojaparidze108 yeah it destroys your mind but yeah totally badass
Downside? Thats a benefict
@@vakojaparidze108 yeah having veins on veins is pretty badass ngl
@@garp5555 alan wo had the thickest tho until he got ripped apart
Tiger Niko: Alright kids, for my next trick I'm gonna pull out 2 more incredibly op fighting styles
I would love it if Tiger Niko was still alive and he shows up sometime during the Tiger Vessel vs Ohma fight
Yes
Not "tiger" but "taiga", Taiga Niko which mean the Other Niko.
@@Rodiacreed who came first ??
@@theherionfather8274 Ohma's master Niko is the first Tokita Niko we got to know. So the other Tokita Niko is thus "other Niko"
@@Rodiacreed so the night he died he fought a berserk ohma to stop him then the tiger niko ? Then setsunas master killed niko after all that ?
The formless should be the strongest. Its a martial art without form, like water, it finds a way through. But it's not the martial art but the martial artist.
niko style is stronger when both are in their base form, but if the fight drags out long enough the person using formless will adapt to the opponents strategy
True but kanoh mention formless is unsuited with long consecutive fight so niko style might has edge compare formless not to count formless user could get beaten if the user can see some flaw on formless like kuroki did
@@vincentwijaya5479 that’s only because Agito hadn’t mastered formless that kuroki could find a flaw
@@vincentwijaya5479 he meant feeling out his opponent to find a custom strategy to beat them takes more energy than crushing them with martial arts. That's a moot point in just a single fight and is only applicable in the tournament setting
@@r3a1itygamezz14 actually it was because of agito lag, between his formless form and his martial arts form.
Very good arguments for both Niko Style and Formless. However, if we compare Ohma's Niko Style and Kanoh's fusion of Formless and Martial Arts we gotta remember that Martial Arts is pretty much an infinite warehouse of almost every martial art out there from grappling and MMA to perfect foresight + evolution. Kanoh had 160+ official Kengan matches and anyone without proportional experience will get fucked including Ohma. Also Kanoh's literally twice Ohma's size so the reach gap will limit Demonsbane to only long range counters which Kanoh will know and gladly exploit.
It comes down to the person's mastery of there craft
@@ДмитрийСорокин-ш5н I think it’s a bit wild to say ohmas experience doesn’t suffice, dude grew up in the inside after all
You know if the kure family get they hands on the Niko style that’s gonna be something to forward too.
Some of the Kure techniques look like Niko style techniques, Hardslam and Buddha killer look like variations of flashing steel. Leg thrust looks like an iron breaker kick, and lions bite looks like entanglement.
@@mathewgonzalez1214 yet it's not Niko Style
@@Sir_Isaac_Newton_ never said it was : /
Karla is gonna get much more than her hands on the Niko style.
good prediction bra.
but it was the other way around. or maybe it's also like you said, I'm really looking forward to Ryan's fight with Eddie.
Excellent video and A+ job on this aesthetically pleasing thumbnail, you put some thoughts and work into these and it shows
Thanks bro
The formless style is meant to counter pretty much every martial arts techniques, with that being said, how do you counter a demonsbane?
with another demonsbane
@@freshfish6361 imagine that being in the ohma vs tiger vessel, ohma uses demonsbane to counter tiger demonsbane
@@apologyguy6651 that would be weird to see. So it’s like demonsbaning a demonsbane again and again until one of them decides to give up?
@@mathewgonzalez1214 thats kinda what fighting is
Demonsbane is formless too.
I got the feeling that Formless is a soft style and Niko Style is a combination of hard and soft lol.
I think tokita niko (ohmas master) developed the base niko style and so did ohma. This style that was developed i think is stronger than formless. I also think formless is just a very complex use of the water kata, just like the grapples of the water kata is unconventional and places emphasis on flexibility and fluidity of motion. Also the move water mirror which he used on his fight with cosmo, says, "there is no specific form for Water Mirror it allows the user to be flexible and change the way they use it in a fight situation". from this i can guess tiger niko used the water kata as a base for the formless and just expanded on that.
I also think the formless isnt unpredictable. But it just adapts to the current situation which counters the style in a way that its hard for them to react. It uses the styles fluidity to do unconventional moves which catches the opponent off guard. If it was really "unpredictable" kanoh wouldnt be able to block lu tiens moves, kanoh was even able to predict to stop atacking one point of the fight or hed lose at that moment. So its definetely not unpredictable but its just hard to predict i guess
I can't wait to see the improvements to the Niko style with Kure techniques Ohma learned in his two years
1 jaja because he was out of comission rehab for 1 year as he said xD
Wait they decided to teach ohma kure techniques?
Well actually im not surprised since karla asked ohma to marry her he may or may not give in but im looking forward to whatever kid they have the advance with removal and niko style with kure techniques
I hope you're satisfied now.
now I want to see Raian incorporating Niko Style.
@@ThaGuyXaii Spoilers kinda
They only taught the "legal" kure techniques aka techniques that are intended for combat sports or general use, they never taught him assassination techniques because Ohma himself doesn't like the idea of assassinating someone
Formless alone is considered incomplete even in the verse itself. Niko is literally king fu magic.
lol niko isn't the kung fu magic. It has flaws against big bois and guns lol( only a shit pistol can be deflected and that's it.
@@pp-zu2tv everyone pretty much has a problem with big guys
@Victor Palacios not ohmas fault
@@pp-zu2tv I’m not saying it makes you invincible. The fact that you point out that it can “only” deflect pistol fire just makes my point even stronger.
@Victor Palacios no i think he was killed cause he fought ohma berserk, then the other niko and genzan in one day.
Formless looks like waters kata maxed out
The Neko style is coolest of the Two, But the Formless style is just more versatile and Fun!
In my opinion
Formless = freestyle fighting , you’re versed in every fighting scenario
Niko Style = You have a ace in the hole for EVERY situation.
Lmao I remember on February 9th I was thinking about new Technique styles and names like Thee Awakening, Super Son's Style and another was Formless Freestyle lol what a coincidence.
A formless user seems to be made of water. Formless seems to rely on extreme muscle relaxation and flexibility. Think shaori for defense, and cockroach dash for offense, but on a way smaller scale. Also it has no fixed form, the body just goes for whatever is the most effective KINDA like ultra instinct, but on a waaaaaay smaller scale.
That's how I see formless.
Aweeeeeesome video! Great analysis
The design of tiger Niko looks so menacing
I just noticed that the robe that tigers vessel is wearing is the same as the other nikos.perhaps he is student of gaoh.
Well it could be that he learned it from tiger niko.
@@aldokurti3272 yeah but if so lu tian was tiger nikos student and with that logic he would wear that to but tigers vessel isnt wearing the robe to
@@aldokurti3272 also tiger niko thought that niko style was inferior to formless so he wouldnt take this kind of detail from other nikos
@@vakojaparidze108 Huh good point but still i wouldn't think that he would just abound it completely the niko style is just too good to let go a combination of both style kinda like how agito does would be more optimal.
@@aldokurti3272 but he did abandon it didnt he?
Honestly the biggest shock in this video is the possibility that Tiger Niko could be alive.
And it was real
Boy did this comment age well lmao
I have a theory why tiger niko survived and didn't learn the demonsbane. In the trial instead of learning demonsbane he probably learned formless seeing as how the requirements to learn the style are the same as demonsbane.
That’s a good argument but a better question...
Which is better formless + martial arts vs niko style
nah, martial arts can incorporate the niko style also, in agitos case he has adamantine in the martial art arsenal
so you just compare formless+niko style vs niko style, and the first wins ofc.
@@acosteac8050 actually depending on the user the Niko style might win because kanoh practices martial arts and he was fast enough to get lu when he was tense so a Niko style user might be able to do the same with raging fire.
@@curtismcpsycho8212 incomplete formless AND incomplete niko beats mastered niko if it’s Agito
@@r3a1itygamezz14 can't argue with that
@@r3a1itygamezz14 As Kanoh himslef said in his fight vs Gaolang, it is unuseful to have many styles incorporated, as the time needed to pick a movement increases, even for a few instants that, when fighting Gaolang, become vital
Goddammit it's not about the style it's about the user.....
Both
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Niko style with Kure techniques> all
Nope , formless + advance is better
@@ANINCETO99 Nope, formless + removal is better
@@dontlikethiscomment removal damaged brain of user and when fighters like Ryan uses removal they just attack on custom way and can't use another technics like Niko style.
When ohma uses advance he can put on niko style so....
@@ANINCETO99 Wrong. Advance damages Ohma's heart/body, while removal doesn't have any bad side effects. It's just Raian's personality. He didn't use his techniques at all cuz he's not very smart.
@@dontlikethiscomment nope the side effect of removal is brain problem look fight lu tian vs kanoh , Lu going in another level of crazy. And he got knocked by one shot dragon shot punch.
Niko style that ohma has mastered is above any formless
I dont know if you've ever watched boxing but there was a boxer named ''Smoking'' Joe Frazier. He usually dodged the opponents attacks but always pressuring them and being on the attack while simultaneously bobbing and weaving using eradic head movements. Those movements would also contribute to very strong and unpredictable attacks mid to close range. I think the formless style is something like that but in a MMA setting. The water effect is supposed to represent how it feels for the opponent to throw a strike and then suddenly miss at the last possible second. Like fighting water or air.
Thank you for writing what I was thinking, but better.
@@aidenmurdoch hahaha no problem
I love both the Formless and the Niko Style. I'm just excited to see what will be the Tiger Vessel's fighting style.
What if...
Ohma's Niko Style *PLUS* Lu Tian's Formless??
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Ok I'll explain the formless style since you didn't know. It's a style that uses some moves to beat your opponent. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
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My take on both is the Niko style is best preformed when a practitioner puts use to all the forms with seamless transition, none of them have done that yet Omha is the closest.
The others including Other Niko perfected the Kata's they were best at then Other Niko leveled it it up to Formless ( my guess water kata) at its perfected limit.
Ryuki appears to have his own set ups its not that boxed in to a set of Katas.
The developer Ryuki's Grandfather does what works best with any part of his body.
The Niko style has overpowered techniques that the formless style just doesn't, the Niko style is all about mastering fundamentals of martial arts to prepare the user for the demon's Bane. The formless style is influenced by the Niko style but is about using the right technique at the right time. The water look is not about the water Kata it's about fluidly transitioning between moves because we have seen water Kata user's they generally don't look like that when using it.
Gotta say Niko Style because the user always has options even when heavily injured, while unfortunately formless once the timing is figured out a good solid hit usually forces the style to crumble.
The Niko style is all about bodily mastery in preparation for the demon's Bane. But come on the Niko style is powerful, but it is looks rigid in comparison to the formless style which incorporates the basics of the Niko style into it. Also the demon's Bane an ultimate counter is not perfect it has the same weakness all counters do timing. Also it's the person that breaks not the style.
@@aidenmurdoch Both Agito and LU Tian had the same issue of if an opponent figured out their timing the technique began to crumble, Ohma even after injures that should be debilitating fought multiple opponents with Various techniques always had options.
Hear me out. Give formless style the basic concepts of the niko style (indestructible, weeping willow, bone binding, earth shrinking, water mirror, and demonsbane, aka the techniques that already dont have a set form and can be used whenever). Adding these to formless would make it OP, so just combine the styles
Formless = super duper water kata
Honestly the formless style seems to fall short of most of the overpowered abilities of the Niko style especially the redirection style. But it doesn't seem like it would be weaker than the Niko style, not just because aghito uses it. But because the Niko style seems rigid in comparison. Even the demon's Bane an incredibly powerful technique is a counter which requires mastery of timing prediction redirection and body softening, the best thing for that is the unpredictability of the formless style.
Personally speaking, i'd say formless is better than niko because of it's ability to adapt... and adaptation always leads to victory unless, your opponent is Beard, then there would be no guarantee
Going to watch the video later but first thoughts is that’s a hard one . Both are extremely versatile and hax styles. Tho agito did have to add martial arts to his repertoire become of the limitations formless had . While ohma is probably on agito level with just niko style alone. So base off that I would say niko style >
Formless is a stance not a complete style, so it'd be more relevant comparing it to just the Advance, not the whole Niko style.
I’m wondering when we’re going to the inside within the story
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I'm a bit late to this video but here is my thoughts. The Niko style is a blend of techniques to allow you to adapt to any fighting opponent, while utilizing or sticking to your strengths. Example Ohma is pretty strong with the Adamantine Kata. I am willing to bet that Tiger niko's mastery of the Niko style is a mastery of the water kata. I believe that he figured out a way or just mastered the water kata to such a high level that he figured out how to apply the water kata to himself, thus creating formless.
So in short look at formless as being a master of the water kata of the Niko style. When ever we see the Tiger Niko get into a scrap on screen, if he pulls out the niko style I bet you he uses the water kata to a high level. After all look at how fei attacked Waka. He used primarily the water kata. And look at the Lu tian and Agito fight. A lot of the panels were drawn as if those two were water. Probably foreshadowing or paying respect to the fact that formless is heavily based off of the water kata of the Niko style.
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Formless would be like water. Imagine trying to choke water it would slip out of your choke imagine trying to strike water it would simply bend around your fist and then return to its former state.
Well in my opinion
Formless is better in destructive sense as using that it is just focusing on whoever is in front of you
While Niko style can be used as self defense as the more the technique are their the harder to master them and
In way of kuroki using the right technique at right time is martial arts
But formless has no set technique
This background music is awesome but I cant find those themes
Man I hope this will be done soon because I'm excited to watch it 🙂
Formless reminds me of Yi Quan. Technically it's a kung run without forms
Formless + martial arts (caked up Kanoh) = ultimate fighting combo
Niko is better. Niko can even be used in real life to some extent
I agree, the Niko Style has all the applications for applicable combat in a real life scenario.
If you think the borderline magical Niko style is more realistic than formless you are stupid. JK
Irl formless:”beat up maybe”
Formless:”overpowered”
don't even need a video niko said he wasn't lying and that niko style is the best their is
I think the Formless well be the Tiger Niko's counter to Demon's bane. Like what is Formless good at? Not takinging a direct hit. Demon's bane is by its core a counter attack. You can beat counter attack by not taking the hit. So a counter to a counter.
Also T.Niko says that the Niko style has reached a dead end and hes right. If D.Bane is is ultimate technique then where does it go from there? There is nothing else to learn and relys on the fighters abilities from there. Now what increases a fighters abilities? The Advance.
So boom....T.Niko's goal was to not only have a counter to the D.Bane of the Niko style but to also have a way to advance the abilities of the Niko user and a pure formless user.
T.Niko could end up being the person who layed the groundwork to the advancement of a style that has reached it's dead end in the Niko style.
For me, even if Tiger Niko survived, he still failed in gaining possession of Ohma and Setsunas master killing Ohmas Niko afterwards.
2 hours later that one person that hits the thumbs down
Perfect Formless < Perfect Niko style
I dont think Tiger Niko trained the Tigers Vessel. I think the Tigers Vessel is one of the surviving Nikos and judging by how he speaks maybe he caused the massacre at the forest.
Make an updated vid on this. That'll be great.
y si lolong es hijo del tigre niko? they are too similar
Didn't that tribal fighter from purgatory that Julius fought know some of the niko style i feel like I remember him knowing that for some reason maybe im wrong
His island’s tribe had techniques that were similar to various techniques from the Niko style water kata, but they were not actual Niko style techniques.
@@K0DA._. thanks for clearing that up for me
@@thexi2618 Np
To be more precise he had redirection(wind) and water kata's to his mudo style and a combination of both of those making the moving mountain which is inferior demonsbane in that he doesn't adamantine for more mobility.
@@aldokurti3272 to be honest it was his skill that made it a weaker demon's Bane. His redirection skill was obviously below ohma's, I mean he was extremely competent and the adamantine Kata is the least important for the demon's Bane.
feel like ohmas style and how he is unpredictable he is with each kata is better than kanohs formless plusing that ohma has advance and demons bane
Do you think Koga will get a secret Technique of his own?
Such mysteries
In the manga agitos Formless was compared to akido and systema. Idk how that's relevant just letting y'all know
formless is a style that doesn't go by the book. it can't be predicted, because there is no basis that it is based off. it's all based off in the moment, quickly deciding your next move, and constantly rechoosing another move on the spot instead of having a plan of how you're going to fight. it's literally an on the spot freestyle, reacting as best as you can to the situation and quickly choosing any potential move, instead of sticking to 1 form. That's how I think it is
I prefer the openness and unorthodox style of formless you have to be creative and one step ahead.
I don’t know how far Ohma has come along but I still have a strong feeling in my gut the fang has the upper hand. Witch would mean the Formless is superior. I’m starting to think the Ohma we know is the a clone of the tiger vessel.
Formless style has always proved to be better IRL. Bruce Lee is the big witness for it.
So basically you have no respect for lu tians words, all he said is false according to you and advance is indeed the ultimate technique and its better than formless because why not, headcannon is strong.
We should focus on what we have in manga and not in our own headcannon, in manga so far we got the confirmation that advance and falled are indeed not good techniqeus.
Its actually funny how they call advance a niko style techniques, but in reality it has almost no meaning in the original style itself.
what basis does lu tian have for his words, and advance with ohm's niko style is what i consider to be better
@@mysteriousweeb well the most important basis is that he was the student of the tiger niko, I bet he knew a thing or 2 about his master, from the flashback the tiger niko said that lu tian was/is a rly prodigy, I bet their relation is rly close. Now what basis do you have to say that Lu does not know what he is talking about?
@@acosteac8050 didn't evil Niko also say the formless style was a dead end. That's why Lu Tian knows the removal, also I think it gives credence to the idea evil Niko doesn't know the demon's Bane, since formless is a demon's Bane lite.
@@aidenmurdoch he said that the niko style was a dead end
what happened to those grando fight vids
Copy right
I love your cobtent
So the formless is just another name for Mixed Martial Arts
Damn, the Baritsu style was for sure stronger than the Niko style except it doesnt have a strong level technique like the Demons Bane
So Kiryu still thinks ohma is dead(so I’m assuming) so if ryuki doesn’t go back to kengan and he goes with kiryu. Will the fallen beast revert or will he not take it too serious? But what if he comes back with ryuki and sees ohma? I wonder what will happen
The Formless style is basically the Water Kata of the Niko Style on steroids. It's an expanded derivative of the Niko Style. That being said, I think Niko Style is generally better. That isn't discrediting Formless, though. Formless is a very good and versatile style. However, Niko Style has more going for it, and it is overall a better style.
Idk why any comment I make on here I make it while watching the vid...sorry 😂 and is it just me or was ohma not surpised/impressed by the use of formless ?🤔
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I just realised that The Tiger Niko and Lolong Donnaire have the same face, plus both are not Asian
Lolong is filipino bro...
@@YhuriAndrei it's been 2 years since I said this....
Formless without a doubt.
100K subs?? Brother I love your channel and will always support you but that’s far fetched.
Greetings from VC
Is Mukaku alive?
what chapter was this?
But wouldn't that put omah's niko above even kanoh. I mean he killed the tiger niko who should have been able to use advance which lu tien probably didn't know about while he was already injured and still managed to put up a good fight against kiryu's Master. Also it took the removal to completely destroy his sanity for Liu ten to even think he was stronger than the tiger niko who was probably stronger than Liu ten knew
Gensai Kuroki is always better than Niko style and formless
I have no idea, anyone else?
Tiger niko did both and said formless is better. I trust him.
Wow the anime leaves out a lot of information
Ikr it's sadly happens so often aswell like they're rushing it or something
lolong will fight ohma So he is tigers vessel you can it in face off after raian murdered alan
:O
Niko style all the way
Kenga omega: Talking about the Niko style, worm, formless, and kure clan for past 30 chapters.
Koga: 😐
niko bc plot
The niko style is better cuz ohmas niko seggsy
im speed
Liu tian is strong but his a fodder if you compare him to Yamashita Kazou
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Agito is Better!!!