This is one of the best shonens out there and super underrated in my opinion. Saint Seiya is one of my favourite shonens period. I want to see a blu ray for this anime one day. I’ll also pick up the final edition in Japanese to support Kurumada.
@WinspearUltima I definitely I agree. I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been one released, then again the states never promoted it that much. I actually have the ADV dub DVD release of the first 60 episodes.
Gemini Saga is also amongst my favorite anime Villians. He's a bully who wants to overcome the other bullies (The gods). But in the means to protect the weak. He's more of a tragic hero. He personally believes his harsher penalties would serve as a sort of dome for mortals from whatever the gods would throw at them. He's psychopathic but you can somewhat understand his motives.
It becomes even more understandable when seeing how over the top the divine threats he was trying to combat really were. Saga was in no way justified, but trying to gain absolute dominion over the Earth to protect and govern it is a lot easier to get behind than wanting to flood the world or kill off all life on it.
@@adam-dn3hi He's not possessed by Aires. Where you'd get that from? He's given the name Pope Aires because he's a warmonger. He's quite anti-god. The inner good Saga killed himself just to redeem himself to Saori.
@@undertaker9991 have you not read anything past the original saint seiya? 1 A: in the prequell manga about saga its shown that at "birth" the soul of another being was thrown into him by an evil goddess (who is also thanathos and hypnos sister) B: saintia sho(the spin off manga about the secret service of athena) its confirmed that evil spirit in saga is the god ares 2 its ares* not aires
I had seen fragments of this show growing up but I always remembered loving it. When I found out the Soul Society arc took direct inspiration from Sanctuary, I immediately binged the series
Athena: women that want to serve must wear a mask to hide their femininity. Also Athena: hey girl, your cloth will be a bra and panties made of metal. Good luck sis!
It makes them more agile in combat. wink wink You may have notice your first comment disappeared. The story behind that was my first upload of this video got a copyright claim and rather than fight it I decided to it take down and then reupload a new version without the infringing clip, but unfortunately none of the comments could carry over to the current one. I just wanted to let know, so you wouldn't think RUclips or I removed it.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Ok let me put it out of the way first. I really did enjoy the series. I wouldn't think about it so much if I didn't enjoy it. I thought a lot about it so here is my tough on the matter: it makes sense since bronze saints are the first line of defense of the sanctuary alongside with foot soldiers. Even though they are 52 bronze saints that place is huge so it would make sense to have a armor that just cover the vitals and sacrifices defense over mobility. Silver saints have the function of getting out of the sanctuary and being a strike team that way they got more protection but still not enough to prevent them from moving freely. Gold saint are to protected their palaces so they stay in one place tanking all damage throw at them so it makes sense they have a armor that covers everything sacrificing mobility BUT as stated at the manga if you "sync" your Cosmo with your clothes' Cosmo it wights nothing and it feels like your are without armor at all so at least for me it doesn't make sense Athena doesn't giving the best protection that she can provide to all ranks. Shits gets worse when you get to the female saints the ones featured on the original series are silver saints and they have even less protection than the bronze saints.
On other affairs have you watched or read any of the spin-offs? Saint Seiya Omega os like the black sheep of the franchise (at least here on South America) but I really did enjoy character's motivations and interaction between each other. And of course there is the lost canvas wich a lot people really seem to enjoy.
I'm pretty sure I've seen all the anime spin-offs, the only exceptions would be the CGI reboots. I've read about half of Next Dimension and I haven't done any of the Episode G series. With Omega I prefer the Pallas Saga over then Mars portion, though I do wish Shiryu, Hyoga and Shun would have taken on the Great Sword first class Pallasites instead of it being so random. An issue I had with Omega was that many of the new Gold Saints just felt too close to their predecessors, but the new one whose character I really did enjoy was Gemini Paradox, as her split personality explored love and hate rather than following good and evil like Gemini Saga, so since she broke away from her predecessor I found her a bit more interesting, plus her obsession with Shiryu and his son provided a good justification for her corruption and subsequent siding with Mars and Pallas. Since you like the direction the characters took, I would recommend you try out Ring no Kakero (Masami Kuramada's first major work, later adapted into an anime in the mid 2000s), because many of Omega's new cast members were inspired the cast of Ring no Kakero. Soul of Gold: I enjoyed the color scheme, but much of the story could be awkward at several points like the Gold Saints struggled too much against their opponents, even though I know they were suffering from Loki's debuff at the time. It still felt too difficult and giving everyone a God Cloth, just lessened the value of it happening for the Bronze Saints against Hades in the original series. Saintia Sho caught me by surprise as going into I thought it was going to be a female knockoff that would lessen the accomplishments of the originals cast, but it actually treated them with respect. It also displayed several of the Sanctuary Saga's canonical manga events, so I enjoyed seeing them in the animated format, I actually used a clip of it in this video. With Lost Canvas I would say I enjoyed the second season more than first, I think I lessened the experience with the first half, because I watched it immediately after the original anime adaption, so I was probably more used to the different art style by the second season by the viewing time of the second season.
BIG TEXT: most of it is about omega. I just feel people talked a lot shit about it just for nostalgia sake instead analyzing it by itself. Soul of Gold felt to me like Toei saw the amnount of divine gold cloth fan art around there and finally decided to make a profit out of it. They story is not bad but just like the saga of asgard, it just felt unecessary. Saintia Sho felt rushed cause they cutted or changed a lot of stuff from the manga and the animation is super inconsistent sometimes it looks good, sometimes it looks bad sometimes there is no animation and everything just felt a like a moving slide-show with voice over. I'm currently reading episode g and I'm liking it. The whole fighting only gods is what I expected to next dimension to be and I'm not sure what I think about buffing the gold saints I mean now they are super over powered and break physics more they used to. If the bronze saint from the original faced the gold saints from episode g I just feel they would be obliterated. Next Dimension... It's not bad I just have a strong bias against time travel bullshit. Episode g assassin: next to read and I heard there time travel bullshit and other dimensions... Oh boi. Lost canvas they took the "best part" of the original series, the saga of hades and develop it more than the original series I really much to complain about it. I need to read the manga of that shit I'm curious about how it ends. Saint Seiya Omega I was mainly referring to the bronze saints motivations to be there. Yuna lived through a war and doesn't want that to happen anyone. Kouga wants to save Athena because she raised him so for him is kinda like saving his mom. Eden genuinely thinks what his father is doing is right and even becomes a saint to protected Athena (even though he is referring to aria and not actually Athena), then the whole I wanted to protect the world that aria loved Wich is also a motivation shared with Kouga. Ryuho wants to become strong to heal his father. Souma became a saint just to get revenge on her father's murder wich leads to my favorite interaction between characters in the whole wich is the interaction between Souma and Sonia (I think never shipped anyone the whole franchise, but hey here you go). Sonia in her end connects also with Eden, Aria and her Father. I guess Mars is one of the few villains on the series that if he legitimate won against Athena it wouldn't be that bad, he even managed to convinced saints to join him and his motivations are not bad as well. About the gold saints I totally agree with you with paradox , and that the gold saints should be more effective against first class pallacites (come on one of them faced literally all of the gold saints, not all at once but all the gold saints alive at that moment of the series and the ones who manage to defeat her were the bronze saints? Fuck that Omega bullshit that just doesn't click for me) I really enjoyed Harbinger and Genbu on the Pallas season. The Capricorn one was under used there are other animes with characters with similar power to him and they are over powered nas fuck. Kiki... Well he is totally what I expected him to be. Amor is ok. The rest of them are just kinda blend and dull. Pallas was the worse case of "notice me senpai" ever. It was clever of Saturn to make two goddess face of and them pick the weak one after the battle. Eden thinking about why he is fighting for Athena again, since Athena and her knights killed everyone he loved and having serious a talk about that with seiya was also good. Haruto made a band who cares. I liked they used the steel saints as an upgraded foot soldier version, that they got names, personalities and that they can fight by themselves. And I enjoyed that the old bronze saints got a mentor like status and became those guys that when they show off you know shit will go down.
Here is a correction: the cloths are not designed after mythological figures. They are designed after the constellations. Minor constellations inspired the bronze and silver cloths. The 12 mayor constellations are the gold clothes.
INCORRECT! the further the constellations are from the sun, the weaker their material! minor not minor in the sense of the word..pegasus is the biggest power how can u call it minor..even the anime has his name bro? i know u are describing like the anime did..but the saints describing it at that moment didnt know everything till hades elyssion part there are some saints that are sometimes bronze sometimes silver (orion, ophiucus, hydra ghost saints etc)..and the bronze ones changed to gold as well..blood of a god... cosmo is cosmo, divided by senses... cloth is not just cloth..and not everything about them is revealed yet
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Normally all Athena's army Cloths are designed based in all 88 Constellations, including the 12 Zodiac signs, the only exception I remember to this rule is Cerberus Dante, a Silver Saint. But Scales from Poseidon's Generals and Surplices from Hades' Specters are inspired in mythological creatures from a lot of sources.
This Series is a huge classic and is so Underrated a lot of Manga took inspiration from Saint Seyia like Bleach, Akame Ga kill,Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon, Tenkai Knights, Mobile Suit Gundam Wing etc
@Icytwatt Being underrated happens to be why I made this video. Funny story prior to this I actually covered and compared how Saint Seiya influenced Bleach. I'd also add G Gundam to your aforementioned list.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yeah I’ve seen it I really appreciate you for making that video. I consider Bleach to be Saint Seyia’s successor to, Also another thing I noticed was that the Bleach villains in Bleach are inspired off Saint Seyia’s villains. Like Aizen is inspired off Gemini and Poseidon, Ginjo and Kokuto are inspired off Gemini and Yhwatch is inspired off Hades. The Transformations are even inspired off Saint Seyia to like Ichigo’s Hellverse form and Final Getsuga Tensho was inspired off Shiryu’s Excalibur
Saint Seiya, Sailormoon, DBZ, Inuyasha,Yu-Gi-Oh,Digimon,Pokémon,Bleach,Naruto, One Piece,Inuyasha and Yu Yu Hakasho I won the greatest animes I’ve ever watched throughout my childhood. It’s just too bad we’re not gonna get any more episodes on Netflix!
Best video about Saint Saiya out there ... only wished you expounded more on each of 12 Gold Saints so perhaps a separate video about Sanctuary Saints? Ikki is my favorite because I always thought he was the strongest even though he gets the least air time and is not the main character so thank you for confirming that. Where can we watch Saint Saiya in its original Japanese language with English subtitles?
@blackknight9558 Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. I wanted to elaborate more on the Gold Saints as well, but when writing the script I attempted to upload a video a month and if I wrote more than what I did, I wouldn't have finished it on time. Because of my current living arrangements recording is hard, I'm planning on using AI to mimic my voice for future videos, and if I can get it to pronounce Japanese names correctly, I'll take your request into consideration. I answered that on your prior comment as well, but I'll repeat it here. Legally you can watch it on Amazon Prime video and I don't want to put my channel at risk by posting links, but if you don't have that, I'll say you can find it by riding the ANIWAVE (hint).
Thank you for making this video, I learned a lot about the show that I had never picked up on before! Saint Seiya is my favorite show. The characters, world, twists, moral lessons, and symbolism are fantastically executed. The show also has a ton of heart, which creates an inspiring story that has left a deep lasting impact on me. For example, the scene where Shiryu blinds himself to save Seiya and Shun is etched into my memory because of the lengths he was willing to go to save his friends while also showcasing his creative problem-solving skills as a warrior.
@Cam You're Welcome and I'm happy I could deepen your appreciation for the series. Yeah, I've always maintained the stance that Saint Seiya carried a lasting impact for me as well, many series entered my list of top anime only for them to descend a year later, while Saint Seiya on the other hand still retains its high rank years later.
One correction: Kanon was actually equal to Saga, not weaker than him. Even though Ikki viewed him as weaker at first, he later remarks his strength is exactly the same as Saga's once he starts fighting seriously just before Sorrento interrupts their fight. Milo also confirms Kanon's Cosmo is equal to his brother's during the early events of the Hades Arc too.
I'm not necessarily doubting you, but I bet this topic happens to be a area where all the different translations and fansubs have their own interpretation of this subject, because if I remember correctly in the version I saw both scenes included the word "might/could be" rather than explicitly saying something like equal, so I wouldn't be surprised if we're both technically right based on which version we respectively saw.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Using the Viz translation of the manga (considering how notoriously bad some of the fansubs can be), Ikki states "His strength mirrors Saga's too." which seems the most accurate given its official status and the context added. The same source does add some dubiousness to it with Milo saying Kanon is almost equal in strength to Saga, though it is worth noting Milo was comparing a Kanon that'd just recovered from the fight with Poseidon and had no intent on fighting him.
In the official crunchyroll and netflix subs, as well as the dub, ikki says that kanon is weaker than saga but when saga is in a rage after his plan fails, he says THAT made him equal to saga.
About twin brothers, in Ring ni Kakero - Kurumada's first successful manga - there is Kenzaki who starts out as a villain and later a rival to the protagonist, and in the future we find out that he had a brother who is the leader of a group of villains in one future arc (shadow arc). So this cliche was used by Kurumada before Hokuto no Ken.
Thanks, I appreciate you informing me of that. Admittedly I've only seen the first two seasons of the anime adaptation for Ring ni Kakero, which ended with the tournament against Blackshaft and the American team. If I remember correctly seasons three and four hadn't been subtitled yet when I watched the series.
How funny is this now Americans are starting to discover this masterpiece .. Then they say Dragon Ball Haha how funny if Saint Seiya was shown in the eighties in north America it would have been completely different 🔥🔥🔥
Well back then in America animation has always been seen as a thing for kids. That’s the reason why they heavily censored Saint Seyia when it first came out in the US back in the mid 90’s and the Censorship killed it, That’s half the reason why it failed in America
Classic Saint Seiya will always be the best and most iconic of the entire Saint Seiya series. It pretty much revolutionized anime fights to the point where most anime after SS made their fights about willpower rather than just raw strength, technique or intellect. Classic SS stayed faithful to its story and character writing as well without compromising any of it. While I'm indifferent about it not being part of my childhood, it's super hard to believe something like Classic Saint Seiya was made in the mid 80s with how well the art and plot is.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 True, I watched Space Adventure Cobra before watching Classic SS and it felt like I was watching a hidden gem anime all over again
Interesting plot point of the manga that never gets brought over to the anime adaptations is that all of the bronze saints are brothers, not just Ikki and Shun. It's why Hyoga never feels like he's alone. Saori is also their adopted sister. It feeds into why they are so protective of her. However, they don't find out that she's adopted immediately. Seiya and Saori fall in love before they find out that she's adopted. So there's a bit of angst about that in the manga.
@Bright Light That was a plot point I didn't learn about till after I uploaded this video. Manga-wise I mainly focused on Sanctuary and later. For me I think it omission works in the sense that its inclusion took away from the more personal aspects between Shun and Ikki, but in all likelihood I think it stems from the anime's production occurring so close to the release of the manga, the anime's studio had probably already written and partially animated later episodes before its revelation in the manga, meaning they would have to scrap lots of completed work; so they likely just omitted that plot point to keep their work in tact.
@lonelyboyadventurer1033 The big difference is that in the manga, Shun is the most powerful of the brothers. So he doesn't really need Ikki's help. The other brothers, on the other hand, do. Their brotherhood and relationship with Saori is why the brothers are able to keep going through their losses because no matter what they all know that they aren't alone, and Saori for her part is closer to the Bronze Saints in the manga because of this (she's their niece). Hence why all of the Bronze Saints are willing to die for her. It's not just blind loyalty they are protecting their family. It also created angst between Seiya and Saori because Seiya is actually Saori's uncle (before they find out that she's adopted- also Greek Mythology is wild).
Tbh i prefer the a ime iterarion of that,makes ikko and Shun Bond more Unique, and i like that after years of harsh and punishing training, considering them being still teenagers, it makes sense that the first encounter with Saori wasnt all nice and flowers, i like that saori it's not perfext from the start cause she was learning her role at the same time as the Saints, she still was a pampered rich girl at the start, and theres some sour grapes by past events between them
@diegosotomiranda4107 Seiya's group would die for each other without hesitation. You don't see it on the og series ironically because it ended before we started seeing that. Its why they go so hard for Saori, because to them, she is Saori not Athena. The anime really did emphasive Ikki saving Shun whereas in the manga Shun never needs anyone to save him because he is the strongest in their group. She's not perfect in the manga either as the only person that initially knows that everyone is related is Ikki. And that relation is the only reason why everyone is able to come together. As Saori, yeah, she's more Saori than Athena. She is flawed just like Athena from her mythos. Especially in the manga where she never really stops being a brat but she's their brat.
I watched the original Sanctuary anime in the 1990s when I was 5. Later I read the classic manga when I was a teenager. Personally, I enjoy the manga much more than the anime back in the 1980s. The 14 gold saints, including Shion and Kanon, are my favorite characters. My favorite chapter is the first part of the Hades arc, when the gold saints are involved in some tragic in-fighting because the revived gold saints can't tell their friends the truth of their return from the dead.
@quexiao su Saint Seiya is a series I wish I could have watched when I was younger; in the States it only aired around 25 episodes, so by the time I discovered it, it's run had basically concluded. Still glad I caught it as an adult though.
Brilliant video 👏 I'm a hardcore fan Saint Seiya Multiverse. Saint Seiya is considered one of the biggest anime phenomenons of the 1980s. It would become the inspiration for future series and movies, including several Gundam series such as Mobile Suit Gundam Wing and Mobile Fighter G Gundam, Bleach, Legend of Heavenly Sphere Shurato, Ronin Warriors, Wild Knights Gulkeeva and Clash of the Titans. Dragon Ball's author Akira Toriyama is also fan of Saint Seiya's author There are many series, movies and manga in Saint Seiya Multiverse I. Saint Seiya classic (Episodes : 114) II. Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Sanctuary (Episodes : 13) III. Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Inferno (Episodes : 12) IV. Saint Seiya Soul of Gold (Episodes : 13) V. Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Elysion (Episodes : 6) VI. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas (Season 1 - Episodes : 13) VII. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas (Season 2 - Episodes : 13) VIII. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas Season 3 has been cancelled, you need to read Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas' manga at Chapter 96 to 223 why? Because in May 2013, TMS Entertainment announced via it's Twitter account that there were no plans for a third season for Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas anime. IX. Saint Seiya Omega (Episodes : 97) X. Saint Seiya Saintia Shō (Season 1 - Episodes : 10) XI. NETFLIX ORIGINAL Knights of the Zodiac: Saint Seiya (Season 1 - Episodes : 12) MOVIES : I. Saint Seiya Evil Goddess Eris II. Saint Seiya The Heated Battle of the Gods III. Saint Seiya Legend of Crimson Youth IV. Saint Seiya Warriors of the Final Holy Battle V. Saint Seiya Heaven Chapter Overture VI. Saint Seiya Legend of Sanctuary VII. Saint Seiya Knights of the Zodiac - LIVE ACTION MOVIE (Coming in 2023) MANGA : I. Saint Seiya (Completed) II. Saint Seiya Next Dimension (Ongoing) III. Saint Seiya Episode Zero (Completed) IV. Saint Seiya Origin (Completed) V. Saint Seiya Destiny (Completed) VI. Saint Seiya Episode G (Completed) VII. Saint Seiya Episode G Assassin (Completed) VIII. Saint Seiya Episode G Requiem (Ongoing) IX. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas (Completed) X. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas Gaiden (Ongoing) XI. Saint Seiya Saintia Shō (Completed) XII. Saint Seiya Meio Iden Dark Wing (Ongoing) XIII. Saint Seiya Gigantomachia (NOVEL) XIV. Saint Seiya Golden Age (NOVEL) XV. Saint Seiya French Comic will be coming soon Some fans get confused as to which series is Canon and which series is Spin-Off in Saint Seiya Multiverse. So I have done a lot of research, allow me to explain. Start with Saint Seiya classic after that watch Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Sanctuary after that watch Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Inferno and after that watch Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Elysion after that read Saint Seiya Next Dimension after that read Saint Seiya Episode Zero after that read Saint Seiya Origin and after that read Saint Seiya Destiny because these are canon these are written and illustrated by Masami Kurumada The rest of Spin-Offs have been written and illustrated by various mangaka. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas and Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas Gaiden are written and illustrated by Shiori Teshirogi Saint Seiya Episode G, Saint Seiya Episode G Assassin and Saint Seiya Episode G Requiem are written and illustrated by Megumu Okada Saint Seiya Saintia Shō is written and illustrated by Chimaki Kuori Saint Seiya Omega, Saint Seiya Soul of Gold and Movies are made by Toei Animation NETFLIX ORIGINAL Knights of the Zodiac: Saint Seiya is made by Eugene Son Saint Seiya Gigantomachia is written by Tatsuya Hamasaki Saint Seiya Meio Iden Dark Wing is written and illustrated by Kenji Saito Saint Seiya Golden Age is a work created as part of the celebration of the “30th anniversary of Saint Seiya" Saint Seiya French Comic is written by Arnaud Dollen and illustrated by Jérôme Alquié, this Comic will be coming soon
@Scott Colt I appreciate you taking the time to write up a guide for the Saint Seiya multiverse, this video has encouraged many new people to watch the series, so your comment can make it easier for them to follow. Lastly I'm grateful for the compliment of my video.
@Thrill Reviews I bought the old ADV Dub of episodes 1-60 off of Ebay a few years back, (mainly cause the netflix dub overwrote that version on most streaming sites) but in looking it up the deal is no longer there, I will say they do occasionally pop up from time to time. Wishing you the best that somehow you can find access to Saint Seiya.
Oh my, what a beautiful hommage and retrospective to this wonderful series. n.n Thank you so much for this video. I'll go now to check out your other videos and hope to see more Saint Seiya content from you in the future. n.n (After reading a couple comments: Tackling the spin-offs would be a fantastic idea. Even the manga only ones. I'd really love to hear what you have to say about them in more detail.) There is way too little on Saint Seiya in English. Sigh, I would love to do similar videos myself, but... well, there are several reasons it's not possible. n.n" Among them the fact that with my current measly means of recording, my voice just sounds horrid.
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my video so much and thank you for supporting other of my content. I do have some ideas for a video on the Heaven's Overture, but I don't wanna make any promises on when I'll be able to finally tackle it. One of the reasons for why I wrote a Saint Seiya video in the first place was because I felt the series to be underappreciated in the English language, so I'm proud to have done it. Ok, I admit I don't know any of the other circumstances holding you back from recording, but if this may serve as a confidence booster I'll speak it, I literally record my audio on a cheap old cell phone, so its not like I have some vast array of equipment to improve my audio, and if you thought my sound quality was fine, its not that hard to attain.
The knights of saint Seiya are trained in the ways of Cosmo mastery and lethal martial arts used in the way of war. Which succeeds the capabilities of any or all weapons.
Honestly one of the main intentions behind my channel is to talk about anime that I believe are underappreciated, which in my country Saint Seiya unfortunately falls under, so for me making this video was a must. Glad you enjoyed this video.
Great analysis!! i just want to correct the Kamei part, yes Athena had something to do with they aweakening them , the cloths are alive they feed of blood, different types of blood give different effects to the armors, but they need cosmos to unlock said effect, example after being revived by gold saint's blood they turn golden if the user burns its cosmos to the 7th sense and actually you temporarily gain the effects of said tier armor, the cloths aid your cosmos by keeping it on a certain level on all moments but they need you to have said mastery of cosmos to work, by having Athena's blood effects their armors were able to keep their cosmos burning at the level of a god but they had to achieve said power level by themselves first, of course neither Saori nor Seiya and company knew this, ist was all planned by Pope Shion who's Athena's advisor and warmaster (or should have been if not for Saga), the keeper of the secrets of the sanctuary and its weapons it adds a deeper level to an history knowing that Shion planned the war from the moment he took that gamble with Hades and being branded as an Traitor, he had a plan and executed said plan masterfully with the resources he had, and his knowledge of cloths himself being part of the race of beings who actually created them, giving Athena and the humans the chance to win the war against Hades once and for all. He knew Athena needed to die to go to Hades Realm Using her blood he aweakened her Cloth And then using that blood he upgraded the armors of the strongest warriors in the sanctuary, i assume Saga and the others told him about what those 5 were capable of so he knew if someone were capable of aweakening and using said weapons as the Kamei are where them, all this paid very well allowing them to go to Elisium and killing everyting on their path, Shion is the unsung hero of the last war against hades, i bet he died again with a smile on his face knowing that humanity would win.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yeah if you rewatch the Hades saga once Shion repairs their armos he gives them their final orders, but first he tell them, "this are your new cloths and the strongest of all" right after he gives the orders "Go to hades castle and Kill him!" hades castle is not on the human world but in Elisium, and he didn't told them "give Athena her armor and help her kill Hades" he rigth told them go ther and kill the MF that gives you the clue Shion knew what he was doing.
For me, the Hades Chapter is the most disappointing one while it's apparently viewed as the best written one by fans which I think is credited mostly for the Shun/Hades revelation. I was so excited for the story to explore the depths of Hell as soon as the map of Hades world was introduced but it's unfortunately not the case - especially that Kurumada must have at one point planned individual confrontations by the 6th prison - the Prison itself being divided into 4 parts - Labyrinth for Gordon Minotaur, Hellish forest for Harpy Valentine, Desert for Basilic Sylphide, it's weird there's no particular spot for Alraune Queen though he might have been intended to share his spot with Valentine in the forest of suicides (considering the myth of the Madragore/Alraune)... Perhaps the Seventh Prison with it's 10 Maleborges would have introduced additional fights for the Gold Saints along with the Palaces of the Judges that lay beyond them... A lot of people tend to say Saint Seiya is repetitive - always a race against the clock with mini-boss rushes but I always viewed Saint Seiya as more as a manga to be enjoyed with characters with a story of their own right (via their design/inspirations and attacks even though they weren't developed as characters - namely Poseidon's Generals) rather than a story with lots of twists and turns or revelations... The characters are most of the time cool and interesting enough for them to not have a defined backstory... I find it just sad that the last Chapter's main arc - the Inferno part had barely any noteworthy fight while before that every single one from the Sanctuary arc was unique and outstanding in their own right.
I'm pretty sure I said this in my Bleach/Saint Seiya video, but I felt the Hades Chapters held the greatest potential of any Saint Seiya arc, but couldn't live up to those expectations. Though I do understand why some can see it as the best as it arguably had the most powerful moments literally and figuratively, like the gold saints death or the shattering of their armor were some of the most emotional scenes in the entire franchise, likewise I could see people simply enjoying it because the main cast attained their highest level of power, I wouldn't be surprised if some preferred the Hades Chapter's anime adaptation more because it had a more modern art style over the original's. That's very interesting about the prison being divided it 4 parts, I always wished their would have been more scenes to help distinguish them from the lower tiered soldiers of Hades. In terms of the backstories for characters I don't necessary think they're required for Saint Seiya antagonists, as their aura is more so what sells them. Like Hades minions are pretty much supposed to be seen as monsters or at least during the sanctuary Saga the gold saints are practically portrayed as deities, so I think in both cases giving them well developed backstories would have humanized them and disrupted the image of what Kuramada was intending for.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 When it comes to back-stories in Saint Seiya, namely the original manga, likewise I don't think it's necessary for them to have one as the characters are all pretty much unique in their ideologies and way of life like - MIlo, Shaka, and Aldebaran all have a different view on how to do their Saint duty even though we know nothing of their personal lives, the same for Poseidon's Marinas with Io, Krishna and Sorrento each having a different ideology on why they believe Poseidon is in the right and what justice is... And that's what make all of those characters very interesting, while on the other hand, none of the Specters are explored as such except perhaps Papilon Myu... However, I kinda don't like how Gold Saints nowadays are portrayed as 'Perfect Beings' (namely Teshirogi who wrote TLC regards her Gold Saints as imperfect compared to those of the original manga - even though some are more well-written than Kurumada's ). This has led to the Gold Saints being unbeatable and portrayed as being almighty such as in Soul of Gold or Saintia Sho whereby the writers have to input clumsy plot-devices to boost the antagonists. I think a lot of people tend to want to have characters as tragic and deep as the Asgard God Warriors but while the Asgard of 86 was well written when it is done just for the sake of it, it's just whatever like in Omega whereby each Gold Saint HAD to have a flashback while by having original fighting styles compared to the Golds of the original manga should have been their main selling point. I personally never was much attached to the Gold Saints to the point of wanting them in every adaptation hence why I enjoy the 4th movie a lot because it focuses on the Seiya Team's bonds and sense of justice while most of the fandom berates it for one-shooting the Golds at the beginning.
In regards to me calling the Gold Saints near deity-like I was more so referring to their initial introductions rather than who they are as characters, for instance in the first half of the story their portrayal as almost otherworldly beings, rather as a actual humans (minus Aiolia) better cemented the idea that they were levels beyond the bronze saints, but with that said I believe fleshing them out later on in the series after the main cast were closer in strength (and on better terms) with them worked in the story's favor by showing that the Gold Saints weren't all that different in the end, thus humanizing them. Yeah, I agree about the Gold Saints inclusion into everything, it just raises too many suspension of belief type moments, "how is the opponent so strong" or "why would they fall for this". That's actually one of the reasons why I'm such a fan of Heaven's-Overture.
Lonely Boy Adventurer Yeah especially since Saint Seiya is a pure Nekketsu Shounen - whereby characters have to surpass themselves in battles at each turn of story to win over their opponents, it’s just comes out as flat when Gold Saints barely struggle as much as Seiya and co. Overture was a good direction (considering how the Bronze struggle in battle) and if the rumors of the 12 Gold returning later via Athena freeing them from their sealed pillar, it would have been very interesting to see the whole team go against the Olympians in epic battles of the same fashion.
Loved the video. Now there were moments I believe were off like shun vs Aphrodite. Shun always had that power but because he doesn't like fighting holds back. There a flash back to when shun was going to leave island after completed his training but his master didn't think shun should go because he to gentle and shun to prove he can display that technique that took his master to one knee. That is his 7th sense. You find out during the hades arc shun was supposed to be host to hades himself which is reason for shun abnormal strength. Other then that I really enjoyed this video and agreed on each character review.
@Wargandi Glad you enjoyed and I can see what you mean. I do think part of it also might also stem from Aphrodite as well, since he's less strength based than the other Gold Saints.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 that is true Aphrodite is less strength base. I still believe his white rose is one of the grossest abilities when you think about it. 🤣
Wow just wooooow 😲well done budd what an incredible well made video 👏 best analysis I've ever come across about this incredible anime, my favorite one ever 😎👍
Here's the thing I'm not gonna say no, but a lot of times when I attempt to break down characters individually, specifically as their own video, for me at least many times they end up seeming too close to just being a synopsis, which in all fairness can be decent content, but mentally if I can't extrapolate enough out of them to make the video feel like they're more than that, I just have trouble working on them.
@Irving Vazquez Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed my video. That's actually why I felt compelled to write this in the first place, since very few people outside Latin America ever discuss Saint Seiya.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 just like DBZ Saint Seiya in Latin American is like a religion, I remember watching this mostly uncensored when I was 5 may be, collecting the action figures, but when I came to the US nobody knew about Saint Seiya, and we were on DB GT in Mexico while here in the US we were still on the android saga. Recently I been searching for reaction videos of english youtube channels reacting to Saint Seiya because at least for some english speaking audience it’s beginning to become like a cult series.
@danieldelaparra7708 To be fair Saint Seiya reused many ideas that Kuramada had previously incorporated into his prior works like Fuma no Kojiro and Ring ni Kakero, but he did perfect them in Saint Seiya.
Shurei is definitely my favorite Copper Saint in the 5 main protagonists. I also believe that's the case for most of the boys back in the day we watched it. His battles are always the most soul-crushing and costly, yet he always put others before himself. In comparison Seiya was just corny for the sake of being corny. Among all the friends who also watched the show (and read the manga) in their youth, Seiya is never anyone's favorite. But there are people out there making fun of Shurei as well, saying that he's an exhibitionist who doesn't know how to fight except naked.
I find siblings being written in media very intriging or families in general. In my book, one of the main characters is part of a bloodline that can learn earth attribute based techniques by witnessing their execution. Earth Element users in terms of flexibility are the most powerful element users thus far, and I have trouble to balance the other element users to make them similary believable as earth can refer to metals, sand, soil, minerals as well as their attributes like mass, hardness, conductivity to electricty and heat etc. And the driving force for his desire for power and him not faltering to any opponent is a murder to his parents which in this case is his elder sister who has the name given of God of the Land and represents the peak of a earth element user, that isn't the Element Master. I am rewriting the exact reason for the death of the parents from time to time, since nothing really satisfies me, but overall there was no malicious intend for their death. But in order to protect her brother, the elder sister would rather have him hate her instead of telling the 'truth' which involves a certain mastermind. Thus she distanced herself from everyone but a handful of people to create a secret agency network to figure out the next step of said villain, while posing the role of a guardian of a certain place. There is a scene I have written where she asks her brother for permission to protect him, despite distancing herself from everyone but a very close group of people she trusts. There are also two antagonists that have siblings. One being involved in the story arc he is introduced to stop him. Another sibling for the other antagonist appearing in a later arc to take away territory.
I finished the Asgard arc and it honestly didn't much like filler at all and it moved almost seemlessly into the next arc. Unless the Posseidon arc is filler too. I subconciously paid a little more attention I think than usually since you mentioned that its filler and so I had a few issues. But they were addressed later on like how a Gold Saint could lose that quickly while the Bronze Saints could put more of a fight even if they were overwhelmed. More of the issues I have were from the subtitles themselves. If I didn't have some experience from listening to Japanese voice acting, I would likely criticize some of the dialog. At the filler portion they either remove dialog or add randomly bronze to the word saint despite not mentioning the type of saint the characters are. I have to say I really enjoyed the God Warrior more than expected. I thought maybe 1 or 2 would get fleshed out but each of them got a decent amount of time to develop and for us to understand their motivation. Even the traitor one, but I wish he got a little more for us to understand why he is going so extreme. At first I thought he wants acknowledgement tho his morals lead him to do dirty work others wouldn't dare like having an unhonorble fight. But its more like he wants to overthrow her just because. Will take a little break before going into the I assume final arc of the original anime series. Are there any movies or ovas I should take a look before I go before starting the continuation of Saint Seiya?
@M3rtyville Yeah it transitioned into the next arc easier than even the manga. Poseidon Arc is Canon. I will say for me the Nordic (non-Greek) theme somewhat produced a fillerish vibe. Saint Seiya possesses an infamy for differences between translations. Like one subtitling group implied two characters were "of equal strength" while another said "he is almost as strong"; I think it just stems from the series dealing in intangible subjects, semi-contradictory material and not exactly nailing what it intends to say which forces many translators to interpret the dialogue in their own way, resulting in inconsistencies between versions. The Asgard arc is one of the reason of why I said in my "Why I prefer Anime over Manga" video for why I don't have an irrational hate for filler. In a certain way I might actually argue it as superior to the canon Poseidon Saga. The Hades Saga adapted into 3 sets of 12 episodes OVAs; ordering Sanctuary, Inferno, Elysium; but they come after the original anime series. With the movies I've only seen 1,2 & 5, I intended to watch all of them a few years back, but I cut off and never got around to returning because I had to edit a massive months long Black Clover/My Hero Academia video. To me the best Saint Seiya film would be movie 5: Heaven's Overture, which occurs after after the Hades OVAs. At release it was technically canon, but a manga continuation rewrote its events. I will say this can be a polarizing movie as many view it as a pretentious art-house non-canon film that doesn't perfectly clarify what happens, but again I view it highly I would say if you watch it view like one of the filler spiritual scenes of Dragon Ball Z to understand what its production went for. I consider the first movie as the next best one and I'll say its exactly what you'd expect a Saint Seiya movie to be. The second film inspired the Asgard Arc as it essentially followed the same plot, except it featured a different (and in my opinion less interesting) set of God Warriors. Its financial success spawn its filler counterpart in the weekly anime. It has a few good scenes towards the end. I haven't watched it but from the few clips I've seen I got the impression movie 4 loosely adapts the Hades Saga, but with a different antagonist.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Funny enough, I actually did still decide to finish it since not many episodes where left and had the same thought. The Sea Warriors just didn't have the same staying power as the Gold Saints and God Warriors. They were treated almost as bad as the Silver Saints. I don't recall anyone being much memorable. Only Isaac since he is related to Hyoga but even he didn't leave much lasting impression. I liked the idea of Saga having a twin brother. But now looking at it it wasn't handled good at all. He just doesn't have anything interesting about him besides figuring out the truth about his brother. But the ending itself was still satisfying. Porseidon may not a good final boss, he is serving his purpose as a generic overpowered antagonist. I will take a look at the movies before moving to the final arc, then.
@M3rtyville The Sea Warriors do have some interesting dynamics, such as Pegasus, the winged Horse vs. the Sea Horse, but that doesn't automatically make them memorable and arguably writes them more as roles than as characters. I will say most of Kanon's (Saga's Brother) best moments occur in the Hades Saga of the story.
@M3rtyville Oh Yeah, I stumbled upon something a while back that may interest you. Look up Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival, let's just say it further solidifies my "Explaining Goku's Cries" video.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I finished today the Hades Chapters. I could only find one of the Original Saint Seiya movies so I just jumped to see the story finish and you are right. I really liked the Hades Chapters especially when the death Gold Saints came back. And Kanon took the role of the mentor for the Bronze Saints, stood against his brother and redeemed himself. I still wish he wasn't lackluster of an antagonist to make it feel more special. The Gold Saints were also used very well to showcase their own strength and the antagonists. But Shiryu's master should have gotten an on-screen fight instead of just being a tease. If he didn't show his youth form but died instead, I would have been satisfied, but now I hunger for more. Also the interaction between the "villainous" Gold Saints and the current ones was enjoyable. Not just in term of "What if" senarious. Most the time I feel such things are executed poorly like the Bleach filler fights using clones of the Captains against each other so we get some "dream match ups". Other than that I feel Hades defeat was mediocer. Liked it more than the Bleach ending. They could have easily put Seiya uniting with his sister in the outro but I guess that is how it goes. And surprisingly only 1 of Posseidon's Gold Knights were revived. The opening of the first Chapter is probably my favorite. Seeing the Hades Chapters in general ironically reminded me how the Hell arc in my book is going to play out. It may be the longest arc with so many ideas I still want to implement. Just really hard to fit them all together and to comprimize. I will look at the video you recommented tommorow.
A God Cloth is in my opinion the original form of a cloth before its powers were sealed, thus the blood of Athena was the key to unlock the door to that power, all that was left now was to open the gate by awakening the Ninth Sense.
@Int-sum Thanks, and glad you enjoyed. I still intend to make videos, but after moving last year I lost access to a good space to record lines, so that put me on hiatus. I'm currently typing up scripts (one over 70 pages) with the intention of seeing if I can use a program to clone my voice and have it narrate on my behalf.
Can't believe you forgot to mention the Asgard Saga. Although not in the Manga, it is known as one of the Top fillers in Anime. And it connects the Sanctuary with the Poseidon Saga.
@Kenneth Ramirez Back when I wrote this video I intended upload a project a month (which I failed to meet the following month), so I had to make a few cuts to make the deadline. If I made the video today I would have discussed them as well going into greater detail with all the gold saints.
Idk if I'm just remembering incorrectly, but I seem to recall a period in time where everyone roasted the daylights out of this series. "A bunch of 13 year old kids squaring up to 40 year old men" and so on. I have always adored this series as I grew up with it. Even the parts that went seemingly nowhere... AKA the steel saints
@Nobo Depends on where you're from like in the states I don't think the series ever received enough recognition for it to be considered hated. Yeah, I agree with the steel saints.
I have seen all but the live action movie of Saint Seiya. Movie 3 is honestly my favorite even with that rather questionable ending of a Gold Saint being able to beat a God. Movie 2 seems to be what you mentioned as being the inspiration for the Asgrad Filler. It was the most confusing movie to me since there were no gods fighting, the battle wasn't heated and for some reason Hyoga was a bad guy and reverted back without explaination. I hope the movie how I watched wasn't the full version since stuff happen at random for me to progress. Movie 5 you mentioned I don't know how to feel. It was a bit too suttle. I don't mind the ending but a lot of the time I didn't know what was happening in the story. The fights focused a lot of each blow which was amazing when seeing it in the first fight, but after repeated use it got annoying. Maybe I need a second watch or just progress in my mind how I feel. The others were ok. The one with Lucifer being more enjoyable than the one with Eris. But weird how they made Abel look like a bad guy. I also watched Saintia Sho which I had a hard time to fit in the timeline. Events played out a little different. Is the story focused on the manga version of Saint Seiya because Saga killed himself with his armor on and Athena new she is Athena before the Phoenix Ikki arc started. And I recall not knowing that before the first Gold Saint fight began. But I like Shoko as a character. She is not a mary sue and doesn't seem to win without deserving it. At least the anime since there were only 10 episodes and I don't even know if she won a fight at all. But the other female characters added didn't do anything and feel like an afterthought. Eris' children were disposed like nothing. That one little girl got one shotted in the same episode where she got enough of a power up to fingerflick her opponent. There was also a focus on Gemini Saga and they wanted Aiolia to get his payback. But we didn't see him finish it so there was no resolution. But ignoring those issues and just focusing on the main plotline, I think it was well written and enjoyable to watch. But now with the introduction of Saintias it kinda makes it a little more confusing to compare them to Saints since we also have female Saints, only that the former doesn't wear masks. I tried to watch Saint Seiya Omega but dropped it the moment they introduced Cosmo being split into 6 elements. It kinda hit me the wrong way and reminded me how Naruto did the same thing and how it made things way harder to progress what means what. Is the Silver Saint with the Medusa powers a rock cosmo user or a light cosmo user? Could Shun have gotten the Phoenix armor but would use wind because that's his Cosmo Element? Do you get what I mean?
I just watched Movies 3 & 4 as well. With 3 I wish they would have included the living Gold Saints into the story as well. There were some interesting animation sequences in the film also. With movie 2 I'm pretty sure the God Warriors beat up Hyoga and brainwashed him, but again I watch it over a year ago. I prefer the Eris movie over Lucifer's, since it better remained within the series set perimeters; power wise and concept wise. With Santia Sho, I'm pretty sure its manga counterpart continues on afterwards, but I don't know if the anime will ever continue; I also think that's why most of the Santias never did anything of merit too as that's when they fulfill a role. Correct the story follows the manga's iteration of the story. One of the reasons for why I enjoyed the series regarded how it revered the original series, like (at least so far) it hasn't forced qualities like "Shoko will actually surpass Seiya." Saint Seiya Omega is one of the reasons for why I titled my Ultimate Muscle video the way I did. I will say it did the Gemini Saint, a female gold saint in an interesting way, but overall I can't recommend the series. And yes I see what you mean about the inclusion of elements, I actually forgot they introduced that.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I think the movie was already really crowded with the 3 underlings and 5 gold saints. Not sure how the other ones could be added without feeling a bit out of place. Seeing how things turned out now, Gold Saints seem to get a little too much focus. Movie 2 we saw him beaten and locked up. But there is no indication when the swap between that one god warrior happened. What they did to control him nor how Hyoga was freed. He fought Shiryu and suddenly appeared as an ally on the battle field. There were a lot of things like that especially how the Main Antagonist betrayed the prince. How there was a hint that Odin wouldn't like this and maybe another god has his hands in play (hence the name of the movie) but nothing like that got answered. It felt weird. The reason I like Movie 4 over 1 is how the antagonist went about forcing Athena to give to his demand. Even letting her walk through a thorny path to him. I get the power level issue, I feel that was done decently regardless since the antagonists underlings showed promise in terms of combat. They attacked the Gold Saints all 4 together so there is some room for believability. Shaka may be the odd one but I was surprised how his powers worked since when he was introduced he and Aiorios seemed even. And that both would kill each other if Saga didn't intervene. But with the knowledge we have later, Shaka may be able to defeat any Gold Saint without much issue. Santia Sho had just 10 episodes. I don't mind if they change a bit of the stuff of the actual events if the major things remain the same. I may read the manga version next but now I found the sub version of Nisei so I want to see the existing 28 episodes so far before I get busy again. I don't mind inclusion of elements since we saw cosmo in form of ice powers and such. But after such a long time deciding that there are just 6 elements and you can only control one just doesn't feel right. Maybe you can use mental gymlastics to argue what is what element, but it just feels like a hastle. Naruto had those bloodline limits that got retconned to be combination of existing elements. How can people explain what element the Uchiha's eye powers fall in? Perhaps you can make an argument to anything like Fire represents life, Water flow of time, Wind calmness or whatever. That late in the story that is the last thing we needed.
Ikki set the standard for the better in every way rival to the mc ( sasuke , killua , hiei ...) And the one case where everyone who knows the show agrees he's stronger than the mc , not to mentions he's probably top 3 most badass anime characters of all time .
@gerhmanthefirsthoonter161 Believe it or not many of Kuramada's earlier works feature a similar archetype slash role to him such as Ring ni Kakero's Jun or Mushashi from Fuma no Kojiro, in saying that though Ikki is clearly the best among them. Anime is a wide medium with a long history, so saying top 3 might be a bit too bold a statement for me, but Ikki definitely ranks high on that list.
so I finally got to watch Saint Seiya and am at Episode 40. I really enjoyed many of the characters and the story thus far. The only complain I have so far is that the Silver Saints seem a little bit too fodderized. Misty seemed like the only one that posed a real threat in terms of skill. The fire guy had impressive power but since they all get defeated in just 2 episodes, there isn't much staying power in my memory. I guess in a sense not all of them will get equal treatment, but considering I only felt like one posed a threat in terms of fighting skill and the Medusa guy only being dangerous because of his ability left me lots to be desired. Anything after that felt no different than these average Dark Saints and weren't even a step above Shaina who I thought would be around Marin's level. I hope the Gold Saints don't end up the same way. And so far of the 4 we saw, all of them had impressive showings.
@M3rtyville The Gold Saints definitely leave a more lasting impression than the silvers. I know I said this in my Bleach video, but I equate The Gold Saints arc to Bleach's Soul arc. I will say I agree with your criticisms, and I think much of that stems from having a team of protagonists over a single one, as instead of having to add one every now and then, they now have to basically quadruple the number of antagonists. In saying that much of what makes Saint Seiya great regards how far characters are willing to push themselves (sense of duty) and their brotherly loyalty (honor). By the way on my Anime vs. Manga video I had actually contemplating asking you if you had watch Saint Seiya/Nisei: Ultimate Muscle yet. I just didn't want too sound intrusive.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I also feel that some Silver Saints are overshadowed by other lesser Saints. Their color scheme also makes it hard to be certain if they aren't some nobody Saints that are meant to be beaten up. I recall that the Crow Saint has been acting as someone lower ranked to Shaina. There were times I wasn't sure if she is ranked above or below them. Sometimes I recall that a weakened Bronze Saint managed to overcome one. Ikki taking multiple at once. Even if he is considered the most powerful, that was a little too much. Time didn't allow me to get into the show early. I haven't got into Ultimate Muscle yet.
@M3rtyville I know just wrote a video basically saying the opposite, but the manga possessed a slightly more coherent system of differentiating the bronze saints from the silver saints. Like in the character designs for the manga the silver's armor included knee high boots, whereas as the bronzes only had kneepads. A reason for why Shaina holds dominance over other characters exists, though it's not discussed in the original story, but referenced in the later released sequel story Saint Seiya: Next Dimension which regards how (even in real life) the Ophiuchus constellation unofficially holds the status of the 13th Zodiac. Since you said you're at episode 40, I'll mention this, and it's that the world somewhat hints saints aren't necessarily locked into a caste system; you've already seen Seiya don the Sagittarius armor, like later on in the story it implies the main characters all possess a gold saint equivalent and that should something happen to them, the bronzes would likely inherent their positions, and from that rationale is why I see it as fair for the main characters being able to take on silver saints, as basically their true roles are currently occupied. Yeah I know the feeling I've been busy all this year thus far.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I finished the Gold Saint arc. It was very enjoyable to watch and had a very satisfying end. I don't think any of the Gold Saint were shafted and got enough time to shine. The thing that bothered me is that many of the cold saints had similar hair color and hair length. I think I mistook the Scorpion saint and Cancer once. Only after Milo reappeared I realized that's actually a different character. It satisfied me enough to write further in my own story. I only watched 2 episodes from the Odin arc (I assume that is what it is from the 1 Episode). The use of field tactics, the idea of the sevens sense and even challenging the ideals of the Gold Saint helped me solve a few issues I had with my story. In one story arc there are like 12 antagonists involved with some being opposing to another party but not ally to the protagonists. Each being at least as strong as the previous antagonist of the story. There are some characters that I don't want to lose but still give the protagonists a way to reach victory. It's pretty hard when there is one being closest to god, a guy that can kill anyone who touches him and a warrior with over millions of years of battle experience to simply lose by being "caught off guard" or be overpowered.
@@M3rtyville I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it and that my recommendation could help you come up with new ideas for your writing. The anime actually designed the Gold Saints to stick out more from each other as in the manga they all (minus Camus) possessed blond hair, which made them all the more similar looking. I think you'll also like the Asgard (Odin) Arc, I know some fans hate it cause it's filler (technically it expands on a canon one-off chapter), but I still found it amusing. Though some battles could drag on a little too long. If you're looking for a tip on defeating a powerful/old character maybe considering have a memory (an aspect of them stuck in the past) that might blinds them in the present.
@Thomas Ffrench The manga has more consistency in storytelling, continuity and powerscaling while the anime absolutely excels at action sequences. I'll flat out say this about the anime it's one of my favorite series to edit for that reason. The same applies to the more spiritual moments, like when powering up (burning cosmo) or a character's constellation appears, where its animation masterfully gives off a mystic vibe, which still images I feel still images can struggle with. In regards to the anime's story sometimes it can be a little messy, like it released only a month or two behind the manga, so when the anime took some liberties, they sometimes clashed with later narratives of the story, for instance the anime gave Hyoga a new teacher named the crystal saint, which forced the anime to rewrite the battle against Aquarius Camus into a thematic battle of beating your master's master, now that didn't necessarily weaken the plot, but in some ways it can feel odd at times.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 thanks for that. A few days ago they literally just added the dub (not sub unfortunately) of Saint Seiya on Crunchyroll so that is some good timing. I’ll probably check out the manga first, then watch the anime. They seem like a nice pair of source material and adaptation that compliment each other with their own strengths. I’m not a fan of dubs unless it’s a rare good one from the late 90s and early 2000s, so I am probably gonna just wait for the sub for the time being, but i may change my mind.
Saint Seiya failed in the US because it landed after DBZ. Had it been televised at the same time (dubbed & without censoring [green blood, etc]) it'd have done as well as it did all over the world. Saint Seiya is only seen as a commercial failure in the US... everywhere else, it's in the pantheon of 90's anime.
Technically non-canon, but it took major influence from a manga only single chapter called "The Chapter of Natassia, from the Lands of Ice" where Hyoga fought a group known as the Blue Warriors.
For example, in the canon of the anime, there are 3 Popes: Sion, his younger assistant Ares*, and then Saga the usurper, who killed Ares 13 years ago and then took his place. In the anime, Sion is still alive at the beginning of the story, and it's him who gives the Pegasus cloth to Seiya. Saga only kills Sion during the Galaxian Wars, after finding out that Athena is still alive. Still pretending to be Ares, Saga kills Sion and then proclaims himself the new official Pope. Whereas in the manga, there are only 2 Popes : Sion, and Saga the usurper who pretended to be Sion for 13 years. *the real Ares was a Silver Saint, that assisted Sion (who was old and weak) in his daily tasks. He even ruled the Sanctuary on his behalf, by proxy. Sion was much too old and diminished, therefore he did very little except introduce apprentices to their teachers and appoint new Saints. That's why it's was much more interesting for Saga to take Ares's place rather than Sion's, seeing as in pratice, it was Ares who had full powers.
@Ricardo A very similar thing happened in the States with the DiC rendition, it went up to I think episode 27. I caught the last few airings, but once I got invested the show suddenly vanished the next week.
@hoshitetashimura I've noticed that, when I look up clips of Saint Seiya, I more commonly find them written in South American languages than in English or Japanese for that matter, whereas when I look up those of Dragon Ball I usually find them in English.
What is your general opinion on Saint Seiya Lost Canvas? I am on Episode 10 since I have trouble finding old movies so I decided to just look whatever that is. Seems like a prequel to the original. I don't like the main character so far. Mainly because he feels a little too overpowered for a bronze saint at the start and his voice is hard to bear. One of the reasons I can't enjoy Fairy Tail since the main character seems to share a similar voice actor. But I don't think its bad. The Specters seem decent but the old Gold Saints seem to drop a little too early. They have a decent showing. And I recall being disappointed by Dohko not getting to fight more in the original Saint Seiya in his youth form. Now he apparently spams his strongest attack removing a lot of the impact. Such a golden opportunity and they waste a really good chance to show his true might. But then again, he probably doesn't have the same power as his elderly more wise counterpart and its to be expected for him to use his trump card earlier. It still rubs me the wrong way. And besides Gold Saints and the MC, the other Saints don't seem to matter. The Unicorn Saint may get some more focus. He is proactive and it's nice to see more of the other Cloth get their full capabilities explored because we only saw handful of their potential and they lost in their debut fight.
@M3rtyville I will say Lost Canvas improves with season 2, but I don't view this series anywhere near as highly as the original story. I respect in the sense that it didn't just reuse the counterparts to the modern day (80's era) protagonists, and instead focused on Unicorn and Crane, or even how it didn't just repeat the old formula in general but I ultimately believe the series didn't culminate in anything more than a spinoff. Though in saying that among the Saint Seiya fandom most of them view this as the best spinoff, but in my opinion I'd towards Santia Sho. I actually considered writing a video about it called "Santia Sho: How to Write a Female Spin Off Correctly", but too much time passed, and I found myself more invested in other projects. I'm pretty sure I found Movie 5 on youtube, but it's probably been removed since then. You can probably find the Saint Seiya movies on 9an(ime) (remove the parenthesis).
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 thanks for the site recommendation. At first I was wondering why I didn't find it, but it seems like the real site with all the movies are hidden and can't be found with the search engine I use. I think I will finish Lost Canvas and then try watching the movies in order again. Heated Battle of the Gods must be movie 2.
Black Cloths: Cloths created by the alchemists on the continent of Mu, albeit they were not copies of the current cloths, rather they were failed attempts at creating the cloths.
If you stop to analyse Saint Seiya's core concepts you will find that its heavily inspired on the budism, especially how Kurumada aproches the senses. For instance, the eighty senses is the only way for a person to reach the underworld "alive", that means, they would not go by the rules established by Hades upon the underworld (Arayashiki - Alaya-vijana). The budism predicts nine knowings and that's where Saint Seiya goes. And i love how Kurumada come up with the (cosmos). Everything is made of atoms and those same atoms came from the big-bang (origin of the universe), so the concept for super human strenght in Saint Seiya is to replicate inside of one self the same energy. The seven sense, which is the essense of the cosmos is exaclly that, the person goes beyond its limits, generaring a big bang inside himself in order to explode everthing in front of him. Some of Seiya's feats during his jorney are comparable to the big-bang, which a fun fact, three gold Saints can generate the same energy of the big bang using Athena's Exclamation. There's a lot of cool concepts in SS. Its worth your while if you want to know from where the autor draw them.
@Lucas Brockini Saint Seiya's relation to Buddhism is a topic I wish I would have discussed more in this video, namely I regret not going deeper into Shaka's lotus shaped energy, but at the same time its comprehensive nature opens up more room for misinformation on my part, so it might have actually been good on my part to not venture too deeply down this road.
This are the ones I remember watching as a kid,the original ones I feel like there's so many adaptación now I was getting confused how were the real ones buy I found it in this video.
@japoniano This aspect is more pronounced in the manga than in the anime, like the original variant's major difference starts of as just knee pads and a single chest plate, then evolves to cover then entire chest and gain shin pads and finally transforms to merge the knee and shin pads together, while also extending the shoulder coverings beyond the torso.
Cosmo isn't the equivalent of Ki. Ki exists in the world of Saint Seiya, and mastering the use of ki is a prerequisite for learning the use cosmo. When Shaka fights Ikki he uses Tenbu Horin to strip him of all his 5 senses, then seeing how he was using ki to stand up and telepathically communicating with Shun Shaka stripped him of the 6th sense as well, wich means ki.
@ARX 351 I wrote this video several years ago, so I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I used "equivalent of ki" in the context of fuel behind energy attacks in relation to other series rather than as actual ki. If not though I appreciate your clarification on this subject.
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You said that the gold saints are stronger than the specter. And that Rhadamantis could only win because of Hades Barrier. But the Saints have Nike on their side, bringing victory to them and making miracles possible, if I understood correct. So the 5 Bronzes could also only beat the Golds because they had Athena and with that Nike on their side?
The armor do not boost your power, it just protect you from the atomic attacks of other knights. Also you are wrong about Athena. She, like the other gods, have her real body in the realm of the gods and possess a human woman Saori Kido who is her avatar on earth. Like Poseidon and Hades also have their avatars on earth. The only difference between Athena and the other gods is that she do not forcefully take control of her avatar but live in harmony with her.
@kagetsuki23 I'm not trying to sound rude, but you're gonna have to provide citations to convince me otherwise. I will say not all translations or releases (country/company) follow the same interpretation of story, so that could account for your differing variation.
Saint Seiya is a bit like Diego Maradona. You can not really eplain it, you had to whitness it when it happened. I was 10 or 11 when Saint Seiya exploded onto France. Man. This was way more than a just TV Show for the Genration that grew up with it.
@Stephan Clemens That's definitely an interesting way of putting it. Lately, I've been hearing many French artists claiming how Saint Seiya inspired them, so I find your comment particularly relevant.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It made me choose to take the path of studying and working in animation so i have no trouble to believe that. Glad you enjoyed the comparison btw. The fact u mentioned the artist thing actually triggered an unconcious observation to surface that is related to english speaking videos about Saint Seiya and also yours (loved it so its not meant to be criticism just an observation) They are always about the themes, the plot, the characters and the opening. The soundtrack also is mentintioned more often than not but no one ever mentions the Art or Shingo Araki & Michi Himeno . And you would never find a latin video about the series that doesn't take at least 5 minutes to straight up worship the guy and his female associate. Its literally one of the few series in which the Anime Staff is way, way more popular than the actual creator. Saint Seiya has, when done by the A Team (Epsodes1,16,21,30,43,51,56,60,74,100,105,111 &114 and the Movies 1-3) a very distinctive and unique look and way to animate like the how the hair moves in this kind of almost hypnotic cycle, the play with perspective deformation and viewing angles that somehow never gets adressed in english speaking videos but is absolutely fetishized by fans all over the world. If you ever want to dive into that i'll suggest you pick 51 which in my opinion is the prettiest of them all and 56 because it's probably the best and try to look what makes them so special and compare them with other stuff out of the same time because the Art is a major, major reason why this series beat out it's competition back then and why it left such an impact.
@Stephan Clemens I can definitely see what you mean with the art style especially with the hypnotic flow of hair. What always impressed me about the series was its editing, like between editing a few videos featuring Saint Seiya I've spent probably around 100 hours examining the individual frames and sequences of the series, and I've always found it the most enjoyable anime to edit. In particular one sequence that amazed me occurred during the battle between Ikki and Shaka where the former experienced hallucination of himself playing football (soccer) as a kid and the scene used the ball to cover the audience's view to cut to a new angle. On another note in my most recent video I actually discuss why I prefer the look of the anime to its creator's own style, admittedly its not as deep as what you may be requesting. I will say with your observation you definitely picked up on something because I rarely see English speaking anime youtubers discussing animation. Again I'm glad you enjoyed my video.
at this point i dont have any hope for new stuff..they just dont make the money they did in the 80s...and saint seiya needs to be polished ..not that soul of gold crap..which just played with our emotions... the new mangas are so long and complicated that I have little hope to get ever animated. when I see the second part of lost canvas...i start to believe again..saint seiya in japan is not what it is for the west..latin america , France & italy
@StarFox85 Yeah, I'm basically in agreement that the new stuff can't compete with the classics. I'm not against long running series, but too often I feel that they just use length as buildup for something that they can't live up to.
just 1 correction the cloths are based off constelations not greek mythological figures some may be the same as greek mythological figures however thats due to them having star constelations
In my opinion, Saint Seiya is one of the best Shounen anime’s out there
Agreed, I would say it's in my top 10 favorite anime
I AGREE! It's in my top 5 favorites 😍
Easily surpasses DBZ any day.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 would you be willing to do a video on fan collections of saint seiya? I have so much stuff
@@TheConuresrule Admittedly, I'm not all that much of a collector myself, so I probably wouldn't be the right person for the job.
This is one of the best shonens out there and super underrated in my opinion. Saint Seiya is one of my favourite shonens period. I want to see a blu ray for this anime one day. I’ll also pick up the final edition in Japanese to support Kurumada.
@WinspearUltima
I definitely I agree. I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been one released, then again the states never promoted it that much. I actually have the ADV dub DVD release of the first 60 episodes.
Gemini Saga is also amongst my favorite anime Villians. He's a bully who wants to overcome the other bullies (The gods). But in the means to protect the weak. He's more of a tragic hero. He personally believes his harsher penalties would serve as a sort of dome for mortals from whatever the gods would throw at them. He's psychopathic but you can somewhat understand his motives.
Again another well worded comment. I might also add his immense power and near perfection lead him to become what he fought against.
It becomes even more understandable when seeing how over the top the divine threats he was trying to combat really were. Saga was in no way justified, but trying to gain absolute dominion over the Earth to protect and govern it is a lot easier to get behind than wanting to flood the world or kill off all life on it.
no thats not saga at all
saga is possesed by his evil side ares who is the god of war
and all he wants is to rule the world
@@adam-dn3hi He's not possessed by Aires. Where you'd get that from? He's given the name Pope Aires because he's a warmonger. He's quite anti-god. The inner good Saga killed himself just to redeem himself to Saori.
@@undertaker9991 have you not read anything past the original saint seiya?
1 A: in the prequell manga about saga its shown that at "birth" the soul of another being was thrown into him by an evil goddess (who is also thanathos and hypnos sister)
B: saintia sho(the spin off manga about the secret service of athena) its confirmed that evil spirit in saga is the god ares
2 its ares* not aires
Just started watching this but I love where this is going .
Glad you liked the beginning, hope you enjoyed the rest.
there is some spin off you must chec
I had seen fragments of this show growing up but I always remembered loving it. When I found out the Soul Society arc took direct inspiration from Sanctuary, I immediately binged the series
Athena: women that want to serve must wear a mask to hide their femininity.
Also Athena: hey girl, your cloth will be a bra and panties made of metal. Good luck sis!
It makes them more agile in combat. wink wink
You may have notice your first comment disappeared. The story behind that was my first upload of this video got a copyright claim and rather than fight it I decided to it take down and then reupload a new version without the infringing clip, but unfortunately none of the comments could carry over to the current one. I just wanted to let know, so you wouldn't think RUclips or I removed it.
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Ok let me put it out of the way first. I really did enjoy the series. I wouldn't think about it so much if I didn't enjoy it.
I thought a lot about it so here is my tough on the matter: it makes sense since bronze saints are the first line of defense of the sanctuary alongside with foot soldiers. Even though they are 52 bronze saints that place is huge so it would make sense to have a armor that just cover the vitals and sacrifices defense over mobility. Silver saints have the function of getting out of the sanctuary and being a strike team that way they got more protection but still not enough to prevent them from moving freely. Gold saint are to protected their palaces so they stay in one place tanking all damage throw at them so it makes sense they have a armor that covers everything sacrificing mobility BUT as stated at the manga if you "sync" your Cosmo with your clothes' Cosmo it wights nothing and it feels like your are without armor at all so at least for me it doesn't make sense Athena doesn't giving the best protection that she can provide to all ranks. Shits gets worse when you get to the female saints the ones featured on the original series are silver saints and they have even less protection than the bronze saints.
On other affairs have you watched or read any of the spin-offs? Saint Seiya Omega os like the black sheep of the franchise (at least here on South America) but I really did enjoy character's motivations and interaction between each other. And of course there is the lost canvas wich a lot people really seem to enjoy.
I'm pretty sure I've seen all the anime spin-offs, the only exceptions would be the CGI reboots. I've read about half of Next Dimension and I haven't done any of the Episode G series.
With Omega I prefer the Pallas Saga over then Mars portion, though I do wish Shiryu, Hyoga and Shun would have taken on the Great Sword first class Pallasites instead of it being so random. An issue I had with Omega was that many of the new Gold Saints just felt too close to their predecessors, but the new one whose character I really did enjoy was Gemini Paradox, as her split personality explored love and hate rather than following good and evil like Gemini Saga, so since she broke away from her predecessor I found her a bit more interesting, plus her obsession with Shiryu and his son provided a good justification for her corruption and subsequent siding with Mars and Pallas. Since you like the direction the characters took, I would recommend you try out Ring no Kakero (Masami Kuramada's first major work, later adapted into an anime in the mid 2000s), because many of Omega's new cast members were inspired the cast of Ring no Kakero.
Soul of Gold: I enjoyed the color scheme, but much of the story could be awkward at several points like the Gold Saints struggled too much against their opponents, even though I know they were suffering from Loki's debuff at the time. It still felt too difficult and giving everyone a God Cloth, just lessened the value of it happening for the Bronze Saints against Hades in the original series.
Saintia Sho caught me by surprise as going into I thought it was going to be a female knockoff that would lessen the accomplishments of the originals cast, but it actually treated them with respect. It also displayed several of the Sanctuary Saga's canonical manga events, so I enjoyed seeing them in the animated format, I actually used a clip of it in this video.
With Lost Canvas I would say I enjoyed the second season more than first, I think I lessened the experience with the first half, because I watched it immediately after the original anime adaption, so I was probably more used to the different art style by the second season by the viewing time of the second season.
BIG TEXT: most of it is about omega. I just feel people talked a lot shit about it just for nostalgia sake instead analyzing it by itself.
Soul of Gold felt to me like Toei saw the amnount of divine gold cloth fan art around there and finally decided to make a profit out of it. They story is not bad but just like the saga of asgard, it just felt unecessary.
Saintia Sho felt rushed cause they cutted or changed a lot of stuff from the manga and the animation is super inconsistent sometimes it looks good, sometimes it looks bad sometimes there is no animation and everything just felt a like a moving slide-show with voice over.
I'm currently reading episode g and I'm liking it. The whole fighting only gods is what I expected to next dimension to be and I'm not sure what I think about buffing the gold saints I mean now they are super over powered and break physics more they used to. If the bronze saint from the original faced the gold saints from episode g I just feel they would be obliterated.
Next Dimension... It's not bad I just have a strong bias against time travel bullshit.
Episode g assassin: next to read and I heard there time travel bullshit and other dimensions... Oh boi.
Lost canvas they took the "best part" of the original series, the saga of hades and develop it more than the original series I really much to complain about it. I need to read the manga of that shit I'm curious about how it ends.
Saint Seiya Omega I was mainly referring to the bronze saints motivations to be there.
Yuna lived through a war and doesn't want that to happen anyone.
Kouga wants to save Athena because she raised him so for him is kinda like saving his mom.
Eden genuinely thinks what his father is doing is right and even becomes a saint to protected Athena (even though he is referring to aria and not actually Athena), then the whole I wanted to protect the world that aria loved Wich is also a motivation shared with Kouga.
Ryuho wants to become strong to heal his father.
Souma became a saint just to get revenge on her father's murder wich leads to my favorite interaction between characters in the whole wich is the interaction between Souma and Sonia (I think never shipped anyone the whole franchise, but hey here you go). Sonia in her end connects also with Eden, Aria and her Father.
I guess Mars is one of the few villains on the series that if he legitimate won against Athena it wouldn't be that bad, he even managed to convinced saints to join him and his motivations are not bad as well.
About the gold saints I totally agree with you with paradox , and that the gold saints should be more effective against first class pallacites (come on one of them faced literally all of the gold saints, not all at once but all the gold saints alive at that moment of the series and the ones who manage to defeat her were the bronze saints? Fuck that Omega bullshit that just doesn't click for me)
I really enjoyed Harbinger and Genbu on the Pallas season. The Capricorn one was under used there are other animes with characters with similar power to him and they are over powered nas fuck. Kiki... Well he is totally what I expected him to be. Amor is ok. The rest of them are just kinda blend and dull.
Pallas was the worse case of "notice me senpai" ever. It was clever of Saturn to make two goddess face of and them pick the weak one after the battle. Eden thinking about why he is fighting for Athena again, since Athena and her knights killed everyone he loved and having serious a talk about that with seiya was also good.
Haruto made a band who cares. I liked they used the steel saints as an upgraded foot soldier version, that they got names, personalities and that they can fight by themselves.
And I enjoyed that the old bronze saints got a mentor like status and became those guys that when they show off you know shit will go down.
Here is a correction: the cloths are not designed after mythological figures. They are designed after the constellations. Minor constellations inspired the bronze and silver cloths. The 12 mayor constellations are the gold clothes.
@liz2136
I appreciate the correction. Since mythological figures and constellations often overlap I accidently used them interchangeably.
INCORRECT! the further the constellations are from the sun, the weaker their material!
minor not minor in the sense of the word..pegasus is the biggest power how can u call it minor..even the anime has his name bro?
i know u are describing like the anime did..but the saints describing it at that moment didnt know everything till hades elyssion part
there are some saints that are sometimes bronze sometimes silver (orion, ophiucus, hydra ghost saints etc)..and the bronze ones changed to gold as well..blood of a god... cosmo is cosmo, divided by senses... cloth is not just cloth..and not everything about them is revealed yet
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Normally all Athena's army Cloths are designed based in all 88 Constellations, including the 12 Zodiac signs, the only exception I remember to this rule is Cerberus Dante, a Silver Saint.
But Scales from Poseidon's Generals and Surplices from Hades' Specters are inspired in mythological creatures from a lot of sources.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 we latinos know ALOT about this and other animes
Are u latina?
This Series is a huge classic and is so Underrated a lot of Manga took inspiration from Saint Seyia like Bleach, Akame Ga kill,Dragonball Z, Sailor Moon, Tenkai Knights, Mobile Suit Gundam Wing etc
@Icytwatt
Being underrated happens to be why I made this video. Funny story prior to this I actually covered and compared how Saint Seiya influenced Bleach. I'd also add G Gundam to your aforementioned list.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 yeah I’ve seen it I really appreciate you for making that video.
I consider Bleach to be Saint Seyia’s successor to,
Also another thing I noticed was that the Bleach villains in Bleach are inspired off Saint Seyia’s villains. Like Aizen is inspired off Gemini and Poseidon, Ginjo and Kokuto are inspired off Gemini and Yhwatch is inspired off Hades. The Transformations are even inspired off Saint Seyia to like Ichigo’s Hellverse form and Final Getsuga Tensho was inspired off Shiryu’s Excalibur
@@ChillDeathgod Glad you enjoyed and you're welcome. I hadn't heard the Getsuga Tensho/Excalibur comparison before.
Saint Seiya, Sailormoon, DBZ, Inuyasha,Yu-Gi-Oh,Digimon,Pokémon,Bleach,Naruto, One Piece,Inuyasha and Yu Yu Hakasho I won the greatest animes I’ve ever watched throughout my childhood. It’s just too bad we’re not gonna get any more episodes on Netflix!
U have born on the 90s bcs u didn mention, Voltron, Mazinger, Candy Candy etc
@@piedramultiaristas8573o forse perché queste serie che hai citato non sono mai arrivate in America...
The Sagittarius having wings is mostly based on Mesopotamian depictions of it.
@Akettaja
That's interesting, I'm really only knowledgeable of constellations from the Greek perspective.
Best video about Saint Saiya out there ... only wished you expounded more on each of 12 Gold Saints so perhaps a separate video about Sanctuary Saints?
Ikki is my favorite because I always thought he was the strongest even though he gets the least air time and is not the main character so thank you for confirming that.
Where can we watch Saint Saiya in its original Japanese language with English subtitles?
@blackknight9558
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. I wanted to elaborate more on the Gold Saints as well, but when writing the script I attempted to upload a video a month and if I wrote more than what I did, I wouldn't have finished it on time.
Because of my current living arrangements recording is hard, I'm planning on using AI to mimic my voice for future videos, and if I can get it to pronounce Japanese names correctly, I'll take your request into consideration.
I answered that on your prior comment as well, but I'll repeat it here. Legally you can watch it on Amazon Prime video and I don't want to put my channel at risk by posting links, but if you don't have that, I'll say you can find it by riding the ANIWAVE (hint).
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Thanks for answering my question. Legally is good because it supports the artists. Keep up the great work.
Seiya and Kenshiro walked so Goku/Naruto/Ichigo could run.
@emeraldo
Stand on the shoulders of giants to reach new heights.
Seiya was always my favorite
Are you referring to the anime or the character?, either way great choice.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 the character and I grew up watching saint seiya also all the movies.
Thank you for making this video, I learned a lot about the show that I had never picked up on before!
Saint Seiya is my favorite show. The characters, world, twists, moral lessons, and symbolism are fantastically executed. The show also has a ton of heart, which creates an inspiring story that has left a deep lasting impact on me. For example, the scene where Shiryu blinds himself to save Seiya and Shun is etched into my memory because of the lengths he was willing to go to save his friends while also showcasing his creative problem-solving skills as a warrior.
@Cam
You're Welcome and I'm happy I could deepen your appreciation for the series. Yeah, I've always maintained the stance that Saint Seiya carried a lasting impact for me as well, many series entered my list of top anime only for them to descend a year later, while Saint Seiya on the other hand still retains its high rank years later.
Great analysis of one my very best loved series. Merci!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
One correction: Kanon was actually equal to Saga, not weaker than him. Even though Ikki viewed him as weaker at first, he later remarks his strength is exactly the same as Saga's once he starts fighting seriously just before Sorrento interrupts their fight. Milo also confirms Kanon's Cosmo is equal to his brother's during the early events of the Hades Arc too.
I'm not necessarily doubting you, but I bet this topic happens to be a area where all the different translations and fansubs have their own interpretation of this subject, because if I remember correctly in the version I saw both scenes included the word "might/could be" rather than explicitly saying something like equal, so I wouldn't be surprised if we're both technically right based on which version we respectively saw.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Using the Viz translation of the manga (considering how notoriously bad some of the fansubs can be), Ikki states "His strength mirrors Saga's too." which seems the most accurate given its official status and the context added. The same source does add some dubiousness to it with Milo saying Kanon is almost equal in strength to Saga, though it is worth noting Milo was comparing a Kanon that'd just recovered from the fight with Poseidon and had no intent on fighting him.
In the official crunchyroll and netflix subs, as well as the dub, ikki says that kanon is weaker than saga but when saga is in a rage after his plan fails, he says THAT made him equal to saga.
About twin brothers, in Ring ni Kakero - Kurumada's first successful manga - there is Kenzaki who starts out as a villain and later a rival to the protagonist, and in the future we find out that he had a brother who is the leader of a group of villains in one future arc (shadow arc). So this cliche was used by Kurumada before Hokuto no Ken.
Thanks, I appreciate you informing me of that. Admittedly I've only seen the first two seasons of the anime adaptation for Ring ni Kakero, which ended with the tournament against Blackshaft and the American team. If I remember correctly seasons three and four hadn't been subtitled yet when I watched the series.
How funny is this now Americans are starting to discover this masterpiece .. Then they say Dragon Ball Haha how funny if Saint Seiya was shown in the eighties in north America it would have been completely different 🔥🔥🔥
Well back then in America animation has always been seen as a thing for kids.
That’s the reason why they heavily censored Saint Seyia when it first came out in the US back in the mid 90’s and the Censorship killed it, That’s half the reason why it failed in America
When I saw this as a kid my favorite was Andromeda. I always found the unique fighting style with chains pretty cool.
Classic Saint Seiya will always be the best and most iconic of the entire Saint Seiya series. It pretty much revolutionized anime fights to the point where most anime after SS made their fights about willpower rather than just raw strength, technique or intellect. Classic SS stayed faithful to its story and character writing as well without compromising any of it. While I'm indifferent about it not being part of my childhood, it's super hard to believe something like Classic Saint Seiya was made in the mid 80s with how well the art and plot is.
@IfritBoi
In all honesty I think most classic 80s anime are usually better written than most modern series.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 True, I watched Space Adventure Cobra before watching Classic SS and it felt like I was watching a hidden gem anime all over again
Seiya OP
The number 1 manga/anime ever.
@flaviamartinez3292
It certainly earned its place in the stars
Easily! Inspired my manga
Interesting plot point of the manga that never gets brought over to the anime adaptations is that all of the bronze saints are brothers, not just Ikki and Shun. It's why Hyoga never feels like he's alone. Saori is also their adopted sister. It feeds into why they are so protective of her. However, they don't find out that she's adopted immediately. Seiya and Saori fall in love before they find out that she's adopted. So there's a bit of angst about that in the manga.
@Bright Light
That was a plot point I didn't learn about till after I uploaded this video. Manga-wise I mainly focused on Sanctuary and later. For me I think it omission works in the sense that its inclusion took away from the more personal aspects between Shun and Ikki, but in all likelihood I think it stems from the anime's production occurring so close to the release of the manga, the anime's studio had probably already written and partially animated later episodes before its revelation in the manga, meaning they would have to scrap lots of completed work; so they likely just omitted that plot point to keep their work in tact.
Yeah, they are all Brothers
@lonelyboyadventurer1033 The big difference is that in the manga, Shun is the most powerful of the brothers. So he doesn't really need Ikki's help. The other brothers, on the other hand, do. Their brotherhood and relationship with Saori is why the brothers are able to keep going through their losses because no matter what they all know that they aren't alone, and Saori for her part is closer to the Bronze Saints in the manga because of this (she's their niece). Hence why all of the Bronze Saints are willing to die for her. It's not just blind loyalty they are protecting their family. It also created angst between Seiya and Saori because Seiya is actually Saori's uncle (before they find out that she's adopted- also Greek Mythology is wild).
Tbh i prefer the a ime iterarion of that,makes ikko and Shun Bond more Unique, and i like that after years of harsh and punishing training, considering them being still teenagers, it makes sense that the first encounter with Saori wasnt all nice and flowers, i like that saori it's not perfext from the start cause she was learning her role at the same time as the Saints, she still was a pampered rich girl at the start, and theres some sour grapes by past events between them
@diegosotomiranda4107 Seiya's group would die for each other without hesitation. You don't see it on the og series ironically because it ended before we started seeing that. Its why they go so hard for Saori, because to them, she is Saori not Athena. The anime really did emphasive Ikki saving Shun whereas in the manga Shun never needs anyone to save him because he is the strongest in their group. She's not perfect in the manga either as the only person that initially knows that everyone is related is Ikki. And that relation is the only reason why everyone is able to come together.
As Saori, yeah, she's more Saori than Athena. She is flawed just like Athena from her mythos. Especially in the manga where she never really stops being a brat but she's their brat.
I watched the original Sanctuary anime in the 1990s when I was 5. Later I read the classic manga when I was a teenager. Personally, I enjoy the manga much more than the anime back in the 1980s. The 14 gold saints, including Shion and Kanon, are my favorite characters. My favorite chapter is the first part of the Hades arc, when the gold saints are involved in some tragic in-fighting because the revived gold saints can't tell their friends the truth of their return from the dead.
@quexiao su
Saint Seiya is a series I wish I could have watched when I was younger; in the States it only aired around 25 episodes, so by the time I discovered it, it's run had basically concluded. Still glad I caught it as an adult though.
Brilliant video 👏 I'm a hardcore fan Saint Seiya Multiverse. Saint Seiya is considered one of the biggest anime phenomenons of the 1980s. It would become the inspiration for future series and movies, including several Gundam series such as Mobile Suit Gundam Wing and Mobile Fighter G Gundam, Bleach, Legend of Heavenly Sphere Shurato, Ronin Warriors, Wild Knights Gulkeeva and Clash of the Titans. Dragon Ball's author Akira Toriyama is also fan of Saint Seiya's author
There are many series, movies and manga in Saint Seiya Multiverse
I. Saint Seiya classic (Episodes : 114)
II. Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Sanctuary (Episodes : 13)
III. Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Inferno (Episodes : 12)
IV. Saint Seiya Soul of Gold (Episodes : 13)
V. Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Elysion (Episodes : 6)
VI. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas (Season 1 - Episodes : 13)
VII. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas (Season 2 - Episodes : 13)
VIII. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas Season 3 has been cancelled, you need to read Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas' manga at Chapter 96 to 223 why? Because in May 2013, TMS Entertainment announced via it's Twitter account that there were no plans for a third season for Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas anime.
IX. Saint Seiya Omega (Episodes : 97)
X. Saint Seiya Saintia Shō (Season 1 - Episodes : 10)
XI. NETFLIX ORIGINAL Knights of the Zodiac: Saint Seiya (Season 1 - Episodes : 12)
MOVIES :
I. Saint Seiya Evil Goddess Eris
II. Saint Seiya The Heated Battle of the Gods
III. Saint Seiya Legend of Crimson Youth
IV. Saint Seiya Warriors of the Final Holy Battle
V. Saint Seiya Heaven Chapter Overture
VI. Saint Seiya Legend of Sanctuary
VII. Saint Seiya Knights of the Zodiac - LIVE ACTION MOVIE (Coming in 2023)
MANGA :
I. Saint Seiya (Completed)
II. Saint Seiya Next Dimension (Ongoing)
III. Saint Seiya Episode Zero (Completed)
IV. Saint Seiya Origin (Completed)
V. Saint Seiya Destiny (Completed)
VI. Saint Seiya Episode G (Completed)
VII. Saint Seiya Episode G Assassin (Completed)
VIII. Saint Seiya Episode G Requiem (Ongoing)
IX. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas (Completed)
X. Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas Gaiden (Ongoing)
XI. Saint Seiya Saintia Shō (Completed)
XII. Saint Seiya Meio Iden Dark Wing (Ongoing)
XIII. Saint Seiya Gigantomachia (NOVEL)
XIV. Saint Seiya Golden Age (NOVEL)
XV. Saint Seiya French Comic will be coming soon
Some fans get confused as to which series is Canon and which series is Spin-Off in Saint Seiya Multiverse. So I have done a lot of research, allow me to explain.
Start with Saint Seiya classic after that watch Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Sanctuary after that watch Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Inferno and after that watch Saint Seiya The Hades Chapter Elysion after that read Saint Seiya Next Dimension after that read Saint Seiya Episode Zero after that read Saint Seiya Origin and after that read Saint Seiya Destiny because these are canon these are written and illustrated by Masami Kurumada
The rest of Spin-Offs have been written and illustrated by various mangaka.
Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas and Saint Seiya The Lost Canvas Gaiden are written and illustrated by Shiori Teshirogi
Saint Seiya Episode G, Saint Seiya Episode G Assassin and Saint Seiya Episode G Requiem are written and illustrated by Megumu Okada
Saint Seiya Saintia Shō is written and illustrated by Chimaki Kuori
Saint Seiya Omega, Saint Seiya Soul of Gold and Movies are made by Toei Animation
NETFLIX ORIGINAL Knights of the Zodiac: Saint Seiya is made by Eugene Son
Saint Seiya Gigantomachia is written by Tatsuya Hamasaki
Saint Seiya Meio Iden Dark Wing is written and illustrated by Kenji Saito
Saint Seiya Golden Age is a work created as part of the celebration of the “30th anniversary of Saint Seiya"
Saint Seiya French Comic is written by Arnaud Dollen and illustrated by Jérôme Alquié, this Comic will be coming soon
@Scott Colt
I appreciate you taking the time to write up a guide for the Saint Seiya multiverse, this video has encouraged many new people to watch the series, so your comment can make it easier for them to follow. Lastly I'm grateful for the compliment of my video.
Such a well crafted video
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment and I'm glad you enjoyed my video.
I want to rewatch this show so badly but I’m having trouble trying to find the DVDs ,Netflix does not have The old school Saint Seiya anymore.
@Thrill Reviews
I bought the old ADV Dub of episodes 1-60 off of Ebay a few years back, (mainly cause the netflix dub overwrote that version on most streaming sites) but in looking it up the deal is no longer there, I will say they do occasionally pop up from time to time.
Wishing you the best that somehow you can find access to Saint Seiya.
Oh my, what a beautiful hommage and retrospective to this wonderful series. n.n Thank you so much for this video. I'll go now to check out your other videos and hope to see more Saint Seiya content from you in the future. n.n (After reading a couple comments: Tackling the spin-offs would be a fantastic idea. Even the manga only ones. I'd really love to hear what you have to say about them in more detail.) There is way too little on Saint Seiya in English. Sigh, I would love to do similar videos myself, but... well, there are several reasons it's not possible. n.n" Among them the fact that with my current measly means of recording, my voice just sounds horrid.
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my video so much and thank you for supporting other of my content. I do have some ideas for a video on the Heaven's Overture, but I don't wanna make any promises on when I'll be able to finally tackle it. One of the reasons for why I wrote a Saint Seiya video in the first place was because I felt the series to be underappreciated in the English language, so I'm proud to have done it.
Ok, I admit I don't know any of the other circumstances holding you back from recording, but if this may serve as a confidence booster I'll speak it, I literally record my audio on a cheap old cell phone, so its not like I have some vast array of equipment to improve my audio, and if you thought my sound quality was fine, its not that hard to attain.
The knights of saint Seiya are trained in the ways of Cosmo mastery and lethal martial arts used in the way of war. Which succeeds the capabilities of any or all weapons.
Sagittarius, Libra, Andromeda, etc. aren't resent either due to their arsenal simply being extensions of the suits themselves.
Honestly, that's a really good way of wording it; both comments.
thanks for this video i love the anime saint seiya so much
Honestly one of the main intentions behind my channel is to talk about anime that I believe are underappreciated, which in my country Saint Seiya unfortunately falls under, so for me making this video was a must. Glad you enjoyed this video.
Seiya is secretly everyones favorite. We just say otherwise to sound unique from everyone else.
Fuck no! When i was a child my fav was Hyoga, growing up obviously It became Ikki.
@@nicoraba tbf, Ikki is pretty much the Gigachad of all saints not just the bronze, he's even able to keep up with gold saints at times
Let's also not forget he's schlick bate, Shiryu.
Great analysis!! i just want to correct the Kamei part, yes Athena had something to do with they aweakening them , the cloths are alive they feed of blood, different types of blood give different effects to the armors, but they need cosmos to unlock said effect, example after being revived by gold saint's blood they turn golden if the user burns its cosmos to the 7th sense and actually you temporarily gain the effects of said tier armor, the cloths aid your cosmos by keeping it on a certain level on all moments but they need you to have said mastery of cosmos to work, by having Athena's blood effects their armors were able to keep their cosmos burning at the level of a god but they had to achieve said power level by themselves first, of course neither Saori nor Seiya and company knew this, ist was all planned by Pope Shion who's Athena's advisor and warmaster (or should have been if not for Saga), the keeper of the secrets of the sanctuary and its weapons it adds a deeper level to an history knowing that Shion planned the war from the moment he took that gamble with Hades and being branded as an Traitor, he had a plan and executed said plan masterfully with the resources he had, and his knowledge of cloths himself being part of the race of beings who actually created them, giving Athena and the humans the chance to win the war against Hades once and for all.
He knew Athena needed to die to go to Hades Realm
Using her blood he aweakened her Cloth
And then using that blood he upgraded the armors of the strongest warriors in the sanctuary, i assume Saga and the others told him about what those 5 were capable of so he knew if someone were capable of aweakening and using said weapons as the Kamei are where them, all this paid very well allowing them to go to Elisium and killing everyting on their path, Shion is the unsung hero of the last war against hades, i bet he died again with a smile on his face knowing that humanity would win.
@Dislike Button
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed my analysis, and I appreciate the clarification; an interesting examination of Shion.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Yeah if you rewatch the Hades saga once Shion repairs their armos he gives them their final orders, but first he tell them, "this are your new cloths and the strongest of all" right after he gives the orders "Go to hades castle and Kill him!" hades castle is not on the human world but in Elisium, and he didn't told them "give Athena her armor and help her kill Hades" he rigth told them go ther and kill the MF that gives you the clue Shion knew what he was doing.
*Kamui and what the 5 protagonist wore are not Kamui, but are God Cloth. Kamui are the cloth of the Gods
For me, the Hades Chapter is the most disappointing one while it's apparently viewed as the best written one by fans which I think is credited mostly for the Shun/Hades revelation.
I was so excited for the story to explore the depths of Hell as soon as the map of Hades world was introduced but it's unfortunately not the case - especially that Kurumada must have at one point planned individual confrontations by the 6th prison - the Prison itself being divided into 4 parts - Labyrinth for Gordon Minotaur, Hellish forest for Harpy Valentine, Desert for Basilic Sylphide, it's weird there's no particular spot for Alraune Queen though he might have been intended to share his spot with Valentine in the forest of suicides (considering the myth of the Madragore/Alraune)... Perhaps the Seventh Prison with it's 10 Maleborges would have introduced additional fights for the Gold Saints along with the Palaces of the Judges that lay beyond them...
A lot of people tend to say Saint Seiya is repetitive - always a race against the clock with mini-boss rushes but I always viewed Saint Seiya as more as a manga to be enjoyed with characters with a story of their own right (via their design/inspirations and attacks even though they weren't developed as characters - namely Poseidon's Generals) rather than a story with lots of twists and turns or revelations... The characters are most of the time cool and interesting enough for them to not have a defined backstory...
I find it just sad that the last Chapter's main arc - the Inferno part had barely any noteworthy fight while before that every single one from the Sanctuary arc was unique and outstanding in their own right.
I'm pretty sure I said this in my Bleach/Saint Seiya video, but I felt the Hades Chapters held the greatest potential of any Saint Seiya arc, but couldn't live up to those expectations. Though I do understand why some can see it as the best as it arguably had the most powerful moments literally and figuratively, like the gold saints death or the shattering of their armor were some of the most emotional scenes in the entire franchise, likewise I could see people simply enjoying it because the main cast attained their highest level of power, I wouldn't be surprised if some preferred the Hades Chapter's anime adaptation more because it had a more modern art style over the original's.
That's very interesting about the prison being divided it 4 parts, I always wished their would have been more scenes to help distinguish them from the lower tiered soldiers of Hades.
In terms of the backstories for characters I don't necessary think they're required for Saint Seiya antagonists, as their aura is more so what sells them. Like Hades minions are pretty much supposed to be seen as monsters or at least during the sanctuary Saga the gold saints are practically portrayed as deities, so I think in both cases giving them well developed backstories would have humanized them and disrupted the image of what Kuramada was intending for.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 When it comes to back-stories in Saint Seiya, namely the original manga, likewise I don't think it's necessary for them to have one as the characters are all pretty much unique in their ideologies and way of life like - MIlo, Shaka, and Aldebaran all have a different view on how to do their Saint duty even though we know nothing of their personal lives, the same for Poseidon's Marinas with Io, Krishna and Sorrento each having a different ideology on why they believe Poseidon is in the right and what justice is...
And that's what make all of those characters very interesting, while on the other hand, none of the Specters are explored as such except perhaps Papilon Myu...
However, I kinda don't like how Gold Saints nowadays are portrayed as 'Perfect Beings' (namely Teshirogi who wrote TLC regards her Gold Saints as imperfect compared to those of the original manga - even though some are more well-written than Kurumada's ). This has led to the Gold Saints being unbeatable and portrayed as being almighty such as in Soul of Gold or Saintia Sho whereby the writers have to input clumsy plot-devices to boost the antagonists.
I think a lot of people tend to want to have characters as tragic and deep as the Asgard God Warriors but while the Asgard of 86 was well written when it is done just for the sake of it, it's just whatever like in Omega whereby each Gold Saint HAD to have a flashback while by having original fighting styles compared to the Golds of the original manga should have been their main selling point.
I personally never was much attached to the Gold Saints to the point of wanting them in every adaptation hence why I enjoy the 4th movie a lot because it focuses on the Seiya Team's bonds and sense of justice while most of the fandom berates it for one-shooting the Golds at the beginning.
In regards to me calling the Gold Saints near deity-like I was more so referring to their initial introductions rather than who they are as characters, for instance in the first half of the story their portrayal as almost otherworldly beings, rather as a actual humans (minus Aiolia) better cemented the idea that they were levels beyond the bronze saints, but with that said I believe fleshing them out later on in the series after the main cast were closer in strength (and on better terms) with them worked in the story's favor by showing that the Gold Saints weren't all that different in the end, thus humanizing them.
Yeah, I agree about the Gold Saints inclusion into everything, it just raises too many suspension of belief type moments, "how is the opponent so strong" or "why would they fall for this". That's actually one of the reasons why I'm such a fan of Heaven's-Overture.
Lonely Boy Adventurer Yeah especially since Saint Seiya is a pure Nekketsu Shounen - whereby characters have to surpass themselves in battles at each turn of story to win over their opponents, it’s just comes out as flat when Gold Saints barely struggle as much as Seiya and co. Overture was a good direction (considering how the Bronze struggle in battle) and if the rumors of the 12 Gold returning later via Athena freeing them from their sealed pillar, it would have been very interesting to see the whole team go against the Olympians in epic battles of the same fashion.
Loved the video. Now there were moments I believe were off like shun vs Aphrodite. Shun always had that power but because he doesn't like fighting holds back. There a flash back to when shun was going to leave island after completed his training but his master didn't think shun should go because he to gentle and shun to prove he can display that technique that took his master to one knee. That is his 7th sense. You find out during the hades arc shun was supposed to be host to hades himself which is reason for shun abnormal strength. Other then that I really enjoyed this video and agreed on each character review.
@Wargandi
Glad you enjoyed and I can see what you mean. I do think part of it also might also stem from Aphrodite as well, since he's less strength based than the other Gold Saints.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 that is true Aphrodite is less strength base. I still believe his white rose is one of the grossest abilities when you think about it. 🤣
Wow just wooooow 😲well done budd what an incredible well made video 👏 best analysis I've ever come across about this incredible anime, my favorite one ever 😎👍
Thanks, I'm glad you think so highly of my content. I do my best to make my videos as worthwhile as possible.
Great video
Could you break down seperate characters like shaka or mu or even some characters from Lost Canvas and Omega
Here's the thing I'm not gonna say no, but a lot of times when I attempt to break down characters individually, specifically as their own video, for me at least many times they end up seeming too close to just being a synopsis, which in all fairness can be decent content, but mentally if I can't extrapolate enough out of them to make the video feel like they're more than that, I just have trouble working on them.
Ikki's cloth, not Shiryu's, is actually the strongest of al the bronze cloths as it has the ability to regenerate itself
It is the one with the strongest hax. The strongest(more durable) is the Dragon's one
Great video man
@salazar4400
Thanks, glad you enjoyed
First guy who get it that is not Latin American good video
@Irving Vazquez
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed my video. That's actually why I felt compelled to write this in the first place, since very few people outside Latin America ever discuss Saint Seiya.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 just like DBZ Saint Seiya in Latin American is like a religion, I remember watching this mostly uncensored when I was 5 may be, collecting the action figures, but when I came to the US nobody knew about Saint Seiya, and we were on DB GT in Mexico while here in the US we were still on the android saga. Recently I been searching for reaction videos of english youtube channels reacting to Saint Seiya because at least for some english speaking audience it’s beginning to become like a cult series.
Great work.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
All 12 gold saints act like their astrological sign. For insyance, I'm a Taurus and I'm pretty stubborn, steadfast, unmovable but gentle.
Greatest shonen anime of all time. Everything you see in modern shonen anime, Saint Seiya did it first
@danieldelaparra7708
To be fair Saint Seiya reused many ideas that Kuramada had previously incorporated into his prior works like Fuma no Kojiro and Ring ni Kakero, but he did perfect them in Saint Seiya.
Shurei is definitely my favorite Copper Saint in the 5 main protagonists. I also believe that's the case for most of the boys back in the day we watched it. His battles are always the most soul-crushing and costly, yet he always put others before himself. In comparison Seiya was just corny for the sake of being corny. Among all the friends who also watched the show (and read the manga) in their youth, Seiya is never anyone's favorite. But there are people out there making fun of Shurei as well, saying that he's an exhibitionist who doesn't know how to fight except naked.
Bronze saints not copper
@@52Brickz-278 LOL thanks.
*Shiryu and my favourite saint was always Seiya and I can't understand what you mean by corny
I find siblings being written in media very intriging or families in general.
In my book, one of the main characters is part of a bloodline that can learn earth attribute based techniques by witnessing their execution. Earth Element users in terms of flexibility are the most powerful element users thus far, and I have trouble to balance the other element users to make them similary believable as earth can refer to metals, sand, soil, minerals as well as their attributes like mass, hardness, conductivity to electricty and heat etc.
And the driving force for his desire for power and him not faltering to any opponent is a murder to his parents which in this case is his elder sister who has the name given of God of the Land and represents the peak of a earth element user, that isn't the Element Master.
I am rewriting the exact reason for the death of the parents from time to time, since nothing really satisfies me, but overall there was no malicious intend for their death. But in order to protect her brother, the elder sister would rather have him hate her instead of telling the 'truth' which involves a certain mastermind. Thus she distanced herself from everyone but a handful of people to create a secret agency network to figure out the next step of said villain, while posing the role of a guardian of a certain place.
There is a scene I have written where she asks her brother for permission to protect him, despite distancing herself from everyone but a very close group of people she trusts.
There are also two antagonists that have siblings.
One being involved in the story arc he is introduced to stop him. Another sibling for the other antagonist appearing in a later arc to take away territory.
probably the worst thing i have ever read in my life
I finished the Asgard arc and it honestly didn't much like filler at all and it moved almost seemlessly into the next arc. Unless the Posseidon arc is filler too. I subconciously paid a little more attention I think than usually since you mentioned that its filler and so I had a few issues. But they were addressed later on like how a Gold Saint could lose that quickly while the Bronze Saints could put more of a fight even if they were overwhelmed.
More of the issues I have were from the subtitles themselves. If I didn't have some experience from listening to Japanese voice acting, I would likely criticize some of the dialog. At the filler portion they either remove dialog or add randomly bronze to the word saint despite not mentioning the type of saint the characters are.
I have to say I really enjoyed the God Warrior more than expected. I thought maybe 1 or 2 would get fleshed out but each of them got a decent amount of time to develop and for us to understand their motivation. Even the traitor one, but I wish he got a little more for us to understand why he is going so extreme. At first I thought he wants acknowledgement tho his morals lead him to do dirty work others wouldn't dare like having an unhonorble fight.
But its more like he wants to overthrow her just because.
Will take a little break before going into the I assume final arc of the original anime series. Are there any movies or ovas I should take a look before I go before starting the continuation of Saint Seiya?
@M3rtyville
Yeah it transitioned into the next arc easier than even the manga. Poseidon Arc is Canon. I will say for me the Nordic (non-Greek) theme somewhat produced a fillerish vibe.
Saint Seiya possesses an infamy for differences between translations. Like one subtitling group implied two characters were "of equal strength" while another said "he is almost as strong"; I think it just stems from the series dealing in intangible subjects, semi-contradictory material and not exactly nailing what it intends to say which forces many translators to interpret the dialogue in their own way, resulting in inconsistencies between versions.
The Asgard arc is one of the reason of why I said in my "Why I prefer Anime over Manga" video for why I don't have an irrational hate for filler. In a certain way I might actually argue it as superior to the canon Poseidon Saga.
The Hades Saga adapted into 3 sets of 12 episodes OVAs; ordering Sanctuary, Inferno, Elysium; but they come after the original anime series. With the movies I've only seen 1,2 & 5, I intended to watch all of them a few years back, but I cut off and never got around to returning because I had to edit a massive months long Black Clover/My Hero Academia video.
To me the best Saint Seiya film would be movie 5: Heaven's Overture, which occurs after after the Hades OVAs. At release it was technically canon, but a manga continuation rewrote its events. I will say this can be a polarizing movie as many view it as a pretentious art-house non-canon film that doesn't perfectly clarify what happens, but again I view it highly I would say if you watch it view like one of the filler spiritual scenes of Dragon Ball Z to understand what its production went for.
I consider the first movie as the next best one and I'll say its exactly what you'd expect a Saint Seiya movie to be. The second film inspired the Asgard Arc as it essentially followed the same plot, except it featured a different (and in my opinion less interesting) set of God Warriors. Its financial success spawn its filler counterpart in the weekly anime. It has a few good scenes towards the end.
I haven't watched it but from the few clips I've seen I got the impression movie 4 loosely adapts the Hades Saga, but with a different antagonist.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Funny enough, I actually did still decide to finish it since not many episodes where left and had the same thought.
The Sea Warriors just didn't have the same staying power as the Gold Saints and God Warriors. They were treated almost as bad as the Silver Saints.
I don't recall anyone being much memorable. Only Isaac since he is related to Hyoga but even he didn't leave much lasting impression.
I liked the idea of Saga having a twin brother. But now looking at it it wasn't handled good at all. He just doesn't have anything interesting about him besides figuring out the truth about his brother.
But the ending itself was still satisfying. Porseidon may not a good final boss, he is serving his purpose as a generic overpowered antagonist.
I will take a look at the movies before moving to the final arc, then.
@M3rtyville
The Sea Warriors do have some interesting dynamics, such as Pegasus, the winged Horse vs. the Sea Horse, but that doesn't automatically make them memorable and arguably writes them more as roles than as characters.
I will say most of Kanon's (Saga's Brother) best moments occur in the Hades Saga of the story.
@M3rtyville
Oh Yeah, I stumbled upon something a while back that may interest you. Look up Naki Sumo Crying Baby Festival, let's just say it further solidifies my "Explaining Goku's Cries" video.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I finished today the Hades Chapters. I could only find one of the Original Saint Seiya movies so I just jumped to see the story finish and you are right. I really liked the Hades Chapters especially when the death Gold Saints came back. And Kanon took the role of the mentor for the Bronze Saints, stood against his brother and redeemed himself. I still wish he wasn't lackluster of an antagonist to make it feel more special.
The Gold Saints were also used very well to showcase their own strength and the antagonists. But Shiryu's master should have gotten an on-screen fight instead of just being a tease. If he didn't show his youth form but died instead, I would have been satisfied, but now I hunger for more.
Also the interaction between the "villainous" Gold Saints and the current ones was enjoyable. Not just in term of "What if" senarious. Most the time I feel such things are executed poorly like the Bleach filler fights using clones of the Captains against each other so we get some "dream match ups".
Other than that I feel Hades defeat was mediocer. Liked it more than the Bleach ending. They could have easily put Seiya uniting with his sister in the outro but I guess that is how it goes. And surprisingly only 1 of Posseidon's Gold Knights were revived.
The opening of the first Chapter is probably my favorite. Seeing the Hades Chapters in general ironically reminded me how the Hell arc in my book is going to play out. It may be the longest arc with so many ideas I still want to implement. Just really hard to fit them all together and to comprimize.
I will look at the video you recommented tommorow.
Good video, worth the watch :)
@marinhaalternativa3829
Thanks, glad you thought it was worth the watch.
A God Cloth is in my opinion the original form of a cloth before its powers were sealed, thus the blood of Athena was the key to unlock the door to that power, all that was left now was to open the gate by awakening the Ninth Sense.
Just found your channel and subscribed! Great video man. Do you still make videos? You have not uploaded in like a year??
@Int-sum
Thanks, and glad you enjoyed. I still intend to make videos, but after moving last year I lost access to a good space to record lines, so that put me on hiatus. I'm currently typing up scripts (one over 70 pages) with the intention of seeing if I can use a program to clone my voice and have it narrate on my behalf.
Can't believe you forgot to mention the Asgard Saga. Although not in the Manga, it is known as one of the Top fillers in Anime. And it connects the Sanctuary with the Poseidon Saga.
@Kenneth Ramirez
Back when I wrote this video I intended upload a project a month (which I failed to meet the following month), so I had to make a few cuts to make the deadline. If I made the video today I would have discussed them as well going into greater detail with all the gold saints.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033do it please there is soo much need of Saint Seiya content
Idk if I'm just remembering incorrectly, but I seem to recall a period in time where everyone roasted the daylights out of this series. "A bunch of 13 year old kids squaring up to 40 year old men" and so on. I have always adored this series as I grew up with it. Even the parts that went seemingly nowhere... AKA the steel saints
@Nobo
Depends on where you're from like in the states I don't think the series ever received enough recognition for it to be considered hated. Yeah, I agree with the steel saints.
I have seen all but the live action movie of Saint Seiya. Movie 3 is honestly my favorite even with that rather questionable ending of a Gold Saint being able to beat a God.
Movie 2 seems to be what you mentioned as being the inspiration for the Asgrad Filler. It was the most confusing movie to me since there were no gods fighting, the battle wasn't heated and for some reason Hyoga was a bad guy and reverted back without explaination. I hope the movie how I watched wasn't the full version since stuff happen at random for me to progress.
Movie 5 you mentioned I don't know how to feel. It was a bit too suttle. I don't mind the ending but a lot of the time I didn't know what was happening in the story. The fights focused a lot of each blow which was amazing when seeing it in the first fight, but after repeated use it got annoying. Maybe I need a second watch or just progress in my mind how I feel.
The others were ok. The one with Lucifer being more enjoyable than the one with Eris. But weird how they made Abel look like a bad guy.
I also watched Saintia Sho which I had a hard time to fit in the timeline. Events played out a little different. Is the story focused on the manga version of Saint Seiya because Saga killed himself with his armor on and Athena new she is Athena before the Phoenix Ikki arc started. And I recall not knowing that before the first Gold Saint fight began.
But I like Shoko as a character. She is not a mary sue and doesn't seem to win without deserving it. At least the anime since there were only 10 episodes and I don't even know if she won a fight at all. But the other female characters added didn't do anything and feel like an afterthought. Eris' children were disposed like nothing. That one little girl got one shotted in the same episode where she got enough of a power up to fingerflick her opponent.
There was also a focus on Gemini Saga and they wanted Aiolia to get his payback. But we didn't see him finish it so there was no resolution. But ignoring those issues and just focusing on the main plotline, I think it was well written and enjoyable to watch. But now with the introduction of Saintias it kinda makes it a little more confusing to compare them to Saints since we also have female Saints, only that the former doesn't wear masks.
I tried to watch Saint Seiya Omega but dropped it the moment they introduced Cosmo being split into 6 elements. It kinda hit me the wrong way and reminded me how Naruto did the same thing and how it made things way harder to progress what means what. Is the Silver Saint with the Medusa powers a rock cosmo user or a light cosmo user?
Could Shun have gotten the Phoenix armor but would use wind because that's his Cosmo Element?
Do you get what I mean?
I just watched Movies 3 & 4 as well. With 3 I wish they would have included the living Gold Saints into the story as well. There were some interesting animation sequences in the film also.
With movie 2 I'm pretty sure the God Warriors beat up Hyoga and brainwashed him, but again I watch it over a year ago.
I prefer the Eris movie over Lucifer's, since it better remained within the series set perimeters; power wise and concept wise.
With Santia Sho, I'm pretty sure its manga counterpart continues on afterwards, but I don't know if the anime will ever continue; I also think that's why most of the Santias never did anything of merit too as that's when they fulfill a role. Correct the story follows the manga's iteration of the story. One of the reasons for why I enjoyed the series regarded how it revered the original series, like (at least so far) it hasn't forced qualities like "Shoko will actually surpass Seiya."
Saint Seiya Omega is one of the reasons for why I titled my Ultimate Muscle video the way I did. I will say it did the Gemini Saint, a female gold saint in an interesting way, but overall I can't recommend the series. And yes I see what you mean about the inclusion of elements, I actually forgot they introduced that.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I think the movie was already really crowded with the 3 underlings and 5 gold saints. Not sure how the other ones could be added without feeling a bit out of place.
Seeing how things turned out now, Gold Saints seem to get a little too much focus.
Movie 2 we saw him beaten and locked up. But there is no indication when the swap between that one god warrior happened. What they did to control him nor how Hyoga was freed. He fought Shiryu and suddenly appeared as an ally on the battle field.
There were a lot of things like that especially how the Main Antagonist betrayed the prince. How there was a hint that Odin wouldn't like this and maybe another god has his hands in play (hence the name of the movie) but nothing like that got answered. It felt weird.
The reason I like Movie 4 over 1 is how the antagonist went about forcing Athena to give to his demand. Even letting her walk through a thorny path to him.
I get the power level issue, I feel that was done decently regardless since the antagonists underlings showed promise in terms of combat. They attacked the Gold Saints all 4 together so there is some room for believability.
Shaka may be the odd one but I was surprised how his powers worked since when he was introduced he and Aiorios seemed even. And that both would kill each other if Saga didn't intervene.
But with the knowledge we have later, Shaka may be able to defeat any Gold Saint without much issue.
Santia Sho had just 10 episodes. I don't mind if they change a bit of the stuff of the actual events if the major things remain the same. I may read the manga version next but now I found the sub version of Nisei so I want to see the existing 28 episodes so far before I get busy again.
I don't mind inclusion of elements since we saw cosmo in form of ice powers and such. But after such a long time deciding that there are just 6 elements and you can only control one just doesn't feel right. Maybe you can use mental gymlastics to argue what is what element, but it just feels like a hastle.
Naruto had those bloodline limits that got retconned to be combination of existing elements. How can people explain what element the Uchiha's eye powers fall in?
Perhaps you can make an argument to anything like Fire represents life, Water flow of time, Wind calmness or whatever. That late in the story that is the last thing we needed.
Hey lonely boy, who is your favorite gold saint(from across the entire franchise) and why is it scorpio milo?
Ikki set the standard for the better in every way rival to the mc ( sasuke , killua , hiei ...) And the one case where everyone who knows the show agrees he's stronger than the mc , not to mentions he's probably top 3 most badass anime characters of all time .
@gerhmanthefirsthoonter161
Believe it or not many of Kuramada's earlier works feature a similar archetype slash role to him such as Ring ni Kakero's Jun or Mushashi from Fuma no Kojiro, in saying that though Ikki is clearly the best among them. Anime is a wide medium with a long history, so saying top 3 might be a bit too bold a statement for me, but Ikki definitely ranks high on that list.
Nahhh in the end, but in really since the beginning, Seiya wgen he reach his full potential is way stronger than Ikki
Where can you watch Saint Saiya in original language Japanese with English subtitles?
@blackknight9558
the legitimate service would be Amazon prime video, but I'll just say you can find it through other means if you ride the ANIWAVE.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Thank you again for answering my question. Legitimate is good ... helps support the artist. Keep up your good work.
so I finally got to watch Saint Seiya and am at Episode 40. I really enjoyed many of the characters and the story thus far.
The only complain I have so far is that the Silver Saints seem a little bit too fodderized. Misty seemed like the only one that posed a real threat in terms of skill. The fire guy had impressive power but since they all get defeated in just 2 episodes, there isn't much staying power in my memory. I guess in a sense not all of them will get equal treatment, but considering I only felt like one posed a threat in terms of fighting skill and the Medusa guy only being dangerous because of his ability left me lots to be desired.
Anything after that felt no different than these average Dark Saints and weren't even a step above Shaina who I thought would be around Marin's level. I hope the Gold Saints don't end up the same way. And so far of the 4 we saw, all of them had impressive showings.
@M3rtyville
The Gold Saints definitely leave a more lasting impression than the silvers. I know I said this in my Bleach video, but I equate The Gold Saints arc to Bleach's Soul arc.
I will say I agree with your criticisms, and I think much of that stems from having a team of protagonists over a single one, as instead of having to add one every now and then, they now have to basically quadruple the number of antagonists. In saying that much of what makes Saint Seiya great regards how far characters are willing to push themselves (sense of duty) and their brotherly loyalty (honor).
By the way on my Anime vs. Manga video I had actually contemplating asking you if you had watch Saint Seiya/Nisei: Ultimate Muscle yet. I just didn't want too sound intrusive.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I also feel that some Silver Saints are overshadowed by other lesser Saints. Their color scheme also makes it hard to be certain if they aren't some nobody Saints that are meant to be beaten up.
I recall that the Crow Saint has been acting as someone lower ranked to Shaina. There were times I wasn't sure if she is ranked above or below them.
Sometimes I recall that a weakened Bronze Saint managed to overcome one. Ikki taking multiple at once. Even if he is considered the most powerful, that was a little too much.
Time didn't allow me to get into the show early. I haven't got into Ultimate Muscle yet.
@M3rtyville
I know just wrote a video basically saying the opposite, but the manga possessed a slightly more coherent system of differentiating the bronze saints from the silver saints. Like in the character designs for the manga the silver's armor included knee high boots, whereas as the bronzes only had kneepads.
A reason for why Shaina holds dominance over other characters exists, though it's not discussed in the original story, but referenced in the later released sequel story Saint Seiya: Next Dimension which regards how (even in real life) the Ophiuchus constellation unofficially holds the status of the 13th Zodiac.
Since you said you're at episode 40, I'll mention this, and it's that the world somewhat hints saints aren't necessarily locked into a caste system; you've already seen Seiya don the Sagittarius armor, like later on in the story it implies the main characters all possess a gold saint equivalent and that should something happen to them, the bronzes would likely inherent their positions, and from that rationale is why I see it as fair for the main characters being able to take on silver saints, as basically their true roles are currently occupied.
Yeah I know the feeling I've been busy all this year thus far.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 I finished the Gold Saint arc. It was very enjoyable to watch and had a very satisfying end.
I don't think any of the Gold Saint were shafted and got enough time to shine.
The thing that bothered me is that many of the cold saints had similar hair color and hair length. I think I mistook the Scorpion saint and Cancer once. Only after Milo reappeared I realized that's actually a different character.
It satisfied me enough to write further in my own story. I only watched 2 episodes from the Odin arc (I assume that is what it is from the 1 Episode).
The use of field tactics, the idea of the sevens sense and even challenging the ideals of the Gold Saint helped me solve a few issues I had with my story.
In one story arc there are like 12 antagonists involved with some being opposing to another party but not ally to the protagonists.
Each being at least as strong as the previous antagonist of the story.
There are some characters that I don't want to lose but still give the protagonists a way to reach victory.
It's pretty hard when there is one being closest to god, a guy that can kill anyone who touches him and a warrior with over millions of years of battle experience to simply lose by being "caught off guard" or be overpowered.
@@M3rtyville
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it and that my recommendation could help you come up with new ideas for your writing. The anime actually designed the Gold Saints to stick out more from each other as in the manga they all (minus Camus) possessed blond hair, which made them all the more similar looking. I think you'll also like the Asgard (Odin) Arc, I know some fans hate it cause it's filler (technically it expands on a canon one-off chapter), but I still found it amusing. Though some battles could drag on a little too long.
If you're looking for a tip on defeating a powerful/old character maybe considering have a memory (an aspect of them stuck in the past) that might blinds them in the present.
Unfortunately I only have legal access to the manga, how does it compare to the anime?
@Thomas Ffrench
The manga has more consistency in storytelling, continuity and powerscaling while the anime absolutely excels at action sequences. I'll flat out say this about the anime it's one of my favorite series to edit for that reason. The same applies to the more spiritual moments, like when powering up (burning cosmo) or a character's constellation appears, where its animation masterfully gives off a mystic vibe, which still images I feel still images can struggle with. In regards to the anime's story sometimes it can be a little messy, like it released only a month or two behind the manga, so when the anime took some liberties, they sometimes clashed with later narratives of the story, for instance the anime gave Hyoga a new teacher named the crystal saint, which forced the anime to rewrite the battle against Aquarius Camus into a thematic battle of beating your master's master, now that didn't necessarily weaken the plot, but in some ways it can feel odd at times.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 thanks for that. A few days ago they literally just added the dub (not sub unfortunately) of Saint Seiya on Crunchyroll so that is some good timing. I’ll probably check out the manga first, then watch the anime. They seem like a nice pair of source material and adaptation that compliment each other with their own strengths. I’m not a fan of dubs unless it’s a rare good one from the late 90s and early 2000s, so I am probably gonna just wait for the sub for the time being, but i may change my mind.
Saint Seiya failed in the US because it landed after DBZ. Had it been televised at the same time (dubbed & without censoring [green blood, etc]) it'd have done as well as it did all over the world.
Saint Seiya is only seen as a commercial failure in the US... everywhere else, it's in the pantheon of 90's anime.
Hey man, just out of curiosity, is the Asgard saga canon or non-canon?
Technically non-canon, but it took major influence from a manga only single chapter called "The Chapter of Natassia, from the Lands of Ice" where Hyoga fought a group known as the Blue Warriors.
The Asgard saga is canon to the anime made by Tôei (which has its own canon), not to the manga by Kurumada.
For example, in the canon of the anime, there are 3 Popes: Sion, his younger assistant Ares*, and then Saga the usurper, who killed Ares 13 years ago and then took his place. In the anime, Sion is still alive at the beginning of the story, and it's him who gives the Pegasus cloth to Seiya. Saga only kills Sion during the Galaxian Wars, after finding out that Athena is still alive. Still pretending to be Ares, Saga kills Sion and then proclaims himself the new official Pope.
Whereas in the manga, there are only 2 Popes : Sion, and Saga the usurper who pretended to be Sion for 13 years.
*the real Ares was a Silver Saint, that assisted Sion (who was old and weak) in his daily tasks. He even ruled the Sanctuary on his behalf, by proxy. Sion was much too old and diminished, therefore he did very little except introduce apprentices to their teachers and appoint new Saints. That's why it's was much more interesting for Saga to take Ares's place rather than Sion's, seeing as in pratice, it was Ares who had full powers.
Asgard saga is non-cannon
I liked this anime a lot but it stoped unexpectedly in south africa
@Ricardo
A very similar thing happened in the States with the DiC rendition, it went up to I think episode 27. I caught the last few airings, but once I got invested the show suddenly vanished the next week.
Here in brazil it is as big if not bigger than dragon ball, its was at the run time the biggest anime here
@hoshitetashimura
I've noticed that, when I look up clips of Saint Seiya, I more commonly find them written in South American languages than in English or Japanese for that matter, whereas when I look up those of Dragon Ball I usually find them in English.
What is your general opinion on Saint Seiya Lost Canvas? I am on Episode 10 since I have trouble finding old movies so I decided to just look whatever that is. Seems like a prequel to the original. I don't like the main character so far. Mainly because he feels a little too overpowered for a bronze saint at the start and his voice is hard to bear. One of the reasons I can't enjoy Fairy Tail since the main character seems to share a similar voice actor.
But I don't think its bad. The Specters seem decent but the old Gold Saints seem to drop a little too early. They have a decent showing.
And I recall being disappointed by Dohko not getting to fight more in the original Saint Seiya in his youth form. Now he apparently spams his strongest attack removing a lot of the impact. Such a golden opportunity and they waste a really good chance to show his true might. But then again, he probably doesn't have the same power as his elderly more wise counterpart and its to be expected for him to use his trump card earlier. It still rubs me the wrong way.
And besides Gold Saints and the MC, the other Saints don't seem to matter. The Unicorn Saint may get some more focus. He is proactive and it's nice to see more of the other Cloth get their full capabilities explored because we only saw handful of their potential and they lost in their debut fight.
@M3rtyville
I will say Lost Canvas improves with season 2, but I don't view this series anywhere near as highly as the original story. I respect in the sense that it didn't just reuse the counterparts to the modern day (80's era) protagonists, and instead focused on Unicorn and Crane, or even how it didn't just repeat the old formula in general but I ultimately believe the series didn't culminate in anything more than a spinoff. Though in saying that among the Saint Seiya fandom most of them view this as the best spinoff, but in my opinion I'd towards Santia Sho. I actually considered writing a video about it called "Santia Sho: How to Write a Female Spin Off Correctly", but too much time passed, and I found myself more invested in other projects.
I'm pretty sure I found Movie 5 on youtube, but it's probably been removed since then. You can probably find the Saint Seiya movies on 9an(ime) (remove the parenthesis).
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 thanks for the site recommendation. At first I was wondering why I didn't find it, but it seems like the real site with all the movies are hidden and can't be found with the search engine I use.
I think I will finish Lost Canvas and then try watching the movies in order again.
Heated Battle of the Gods must be movie 2.
Black Cloths: Cloths created by the alchemists on the continent of Mu, albeit they were not copies of the current cloths, rather they were failed attempts at creating the cloths.
@Darien Tellez
I appreciate the information, but that's so intricate that I don't know if you can fairly hold it against a guy for not mentioning.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 Sorry, 😅 just a cool bit of info.
@Darien Tellez
It's fine, I still find it interesting, I just didn't want to leave an impression that I put out misinformation.
If you stop to analyse Saint Seiya's core concepts you will find that its heavily inspired on the budism, especially how Kurumada aproches the senses.
For instance, the eighty senses is the only way for a person to reach the underworld "alive", that means, they would not go by the rules established by Hades upon the underworld (Arayashiki - Alaya-vijana).
The budism predicts nine knowings and that's where Saint Seiya goes.
And i love how Kurumada come up with the (cosmos). Everything is made of atoms and those same atoms came from the big-bang (origin of the universe), so the concept for super human strenght in Saint Seiya is to replicate inside of one self the same energy. The seven sense, which is the essense of the cosmos is exaclly that, the person goes beyond its limits, generaring a big bang inside himself in order to explode everthing in front of him.
Some of Seiya's feats during his jorney are comparable to the big-bang, which a fun fact, three gold Saints can generate the same energy of the big bang using Athena's Exclamation.
There's a lot of cool concepts in SS. Its worth your while if you want to know from where the autor draw them.
@Lucas Brockini
Saint Seiya's relation to Buddhism is a topic I wish I would have discussed more in this video, namely I regret not going deeper into Shaka's lotus shaped energy, but at the same time its comprehensive nature opens up more room for misinformation on my part, so it might have actually been good on my part to not venture too deeply down this road.
btw. cosmos is not a metaphor. everything on screen is really there. its perfectly explained if you pay attention
This are the ones I remember watching as a kid,the original ones I feel like there's so many adaptación now I was getting confused how were the real ones buy I found it in this video.
Actually, when the Gold Saints' blood is used to repair the armors they cover LESS of their bodies.
@japoniano
This aspect is more pronounced in the manga than in the anime, like the original variant's major difference starts of as just knee pads and a single chest plate, then evolves to cover then entire chest and gain shin pads and finally transforms to merge the knee and shin pads together, while also extending the shoulder coverings beyond the torso.
Cosmo isn't the equivalent of Ki. Ki exists in the world of Saint Seiya, and mastering the use of ki is a prerequisite for learning the use cosmo. When Shaka fights Ikki he uses Tenbu Horin to strip him of all his 5 senses, then seeing how he was using ki to stand up and telepathically communicating with Shun Shaka stripped him of the 6th sense as well, wich means ki.
@ARX 351
I wrote this video several years ago, so I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I used "equivalent of ki" in the context of fuel behind energy attacks in relation to other series rather than as actual ki. If not though I appreciate your clarification on this subject.
my favourite manga it is the best to be honest
@binchilling5768
I'm happy to hear that
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You said that the gold saints are stronger than the specter.
And that Rhadamantis could only win because of Hades Barrier.
But the Saints have Nike on their side, bringing victory to them and making miracles possible, if I understood correct.
So the 5 Bronzes could also only beat the Golds because they had Athena and with that Nike on their side?
I think you may have misinterpreted statements of mine that were intended to be situational and applied them to what I said was the standard.
The armor do not boost your power, it just protect you from the atomic attacks of other knights. Also you are wrong about Athena. She, like the other gods, have her real body in the realm of the gods and possess a human woman Saori Kido who is her avatar on earth. Like Poseidon and Hades also have their avatars on earth. The only difference between Athena and the other gods is that she do not forcefully take control of her avatar but live in harmony with her.
@kagetsuki23
I'm not trying to sound rude, but you're gonna have to provide citations to convince me otherwise. I will say not all translations or releases (country/company) follow the same interpretation of story, so that could account for your differing variation.
Saint Seiya is a bit like Diego Maradona. You can not really eplain it, you had to whitness it when it happened.
I was 10 or 11 when Saint Seiya exploded onto France. Man. This was way more than a just TV Show for the Genration that grew up with it.
@Stephan Clemens
That's definitely an interesting way of putting it. Lately, I've been hearing many French artists claiming how Saint Seiya inspired them, so I find your comment particularly relevant.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 It made me choose to take the path of studying and working in animation so i have no trouble to believe that.
Glad you enjoyed the comparison btw.
The fact u mentioned the artist thing actually triggered an unconcious observation to surface that is related to english speaking videos about Saint Seiya and also yours (loved it so its not meant to be criticism just an observation)
They are always about the themes, the plot, the characters and the opening. The soundtrack also is mentintioned more often than not but no one ever mentions the Art or Shingo Araki & Michi Himeno . And you would never find a latin video about the series that doesn't take at least 5 minutes to straight up worship the guy and his female associate. Its literally one of the few series in which the Anime Staff is way, way more popular than the actual creator. Saint Seiya has, when done by the A Team (Epsodes1,16,21,30,43,51,56,60,74,100,105,111 &114 and the Movies 1-3) a very distinctive and unique look and way to animate like the how the hair moves in this kind of almost hypnotic cycle, the play with perspective deformation and viewing angles that somehow never gets adressed in english speaking videos but is absolutely fetishized by fans all over the world. If you ever want to dive into that i'll suggest you pick 51 which in my opinion is the prettiest of them all and 56 because it's probably the best and try to look what makes them so special and compare them with other stuff out of the same time because the Art is a major, major reason why this series beat out it's competition back then and why it left such an impact.
@Stephan Clemens
I can definitely see what you mean with the art style especially with the hypnotic flow of hair. What always impressed me about the series was its editing, like between editing a few videos featuring Saint Seiya I've spent probably around 100 hours examining the individual frames and sequences of the series, and I've always found it the most enjoyable anime to edit. In particular one sequence that amazed me occurred during the battle between Ikki and Shaka where the former experienced hallucination of himself playing football (soccer) as a kid and the scene used the ball to cover the audience's view to cut to a new angle. On another note in my most recent video I actually discuss why I prefer the look of the anime to its creator's own style, admittedly its not as deep as what you may be requesting. I will say with your observation you definitely picked up on something because I rarely see English speaking anime youtubers discussing animation. Again I'm glad you enjoyed my video.
at this point i dont have any hope for new stuff..they just dont make the money they did in the 80s...and saint seiya needs to be polished ..not that soul of gold crap..which just played with our emotions...
the new mangas are so long and complicated that I have little hope to get ever animated.
when I see the second part of lost canvas...i start to believe again..saint seiya in japan is not what it is for the west..latin america , France & italy
@StarFox85
Yeah, I'm basically in agreement that the new stuff can't compete with the classics. I'm not against long running series, but too often I feel that they just use length as buildup for something that they can't live up to.
@@lonelyboyadventurer1033 100%
At the end Seiya IS stronger than Ikki (and all the other Saints)
It's armor, not cloth lmao!
There is so much inaccuracy in this…
Talk slower
Es una verdadera lastima que no lleve el video, ni subtitulos ni traducción. esta perdiendo vistas.
just 1 correction
the cloths are based off constelations not greek mythological figures
some may be the same as greek mythological figures however thats due to them having star constelations