Audi R8 Running Costs: Long-Term Maintenance & Ownership

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  • Опубликовано: 23 окт 2020
  • Before owning my 2014 Audi R8, I always wondered how much it costs to upkeep a supercar. It's one thing to finance and own it, but what are the maintenance and repairs expensive?
    The R8 is known as a pretty reliable supercar. In terms of maintenance, it's relatively cheap but there are some common issues you may encounter. The air conditioning compressor is known to fail often. And the magnetic ride suspension is known to leak. These two issues can cost thousands of dollars to fix. Aside from that, it's a pretty reliable car!
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Комментарии • 185

  • @almehgub
    @almehgub 3 года назад +76

    I've owned mine for a year now, no problems to report yet. Let's pray to God it stays this way.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +3

      😂 fingers crossed 🤞🏻

    • @JVP_thephobic
      @JVP_thephobic 3 года назад +3

      Keep us updated! Lol

    • @LeonZedd
      @LeonZedd Год назад +1

      Any update on the car? I’d love to hear it

    • @explorer909
      @explorer909 Год назад +1

      "Lets" pray??????

    • @ScentSince2010
      @ScentSince2010 3 месяца назад

      Have you noticed the steering stiffness over times after 2 years of owning mine the steering just feels stiff

  • @NBASFAN
    @NBASFAN 3 года назад +6

    really good information, thanks for letting us know this isn't a cheap car to fix.

  • @bryanwhite3021
    @bryanwhite3021 3 года назад +13

    Keep posting videos about the R8 please. You are the only one I can find that really drives it, dosen't review after 2,000 miles and never make another video, or isn't a car reviewer. Currently in a c43 amg and really want an R8 V10 or huracan, plan on making the move next year as I'll be done with school and need to work for experience before graduate school

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +1

      Sure got more videos lined up. Just jumping on the iPhone 12 hype right now 😂

    • @1729NINJA
      @1729NINJA 2 года назад

      how do you like the c43? I’m looking to get that as my “first” sport car? I have a jeep wrangler and gas sucks

  • @someoneoutthere5383
    @someoneoutthere5383 3 года назад +14

    Owned mine for 1.5 years. Tires, front brakes, ac compressor, oil changes...I baby mine. 2011 v10 spyder. Love it though!

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +1

      Damn it got u with the AC compressor? Mine is out of warranty hope it doesn’t break lol

    • @premium2554
      @premium2554 2 года назад

      @@RogerCui what should we do to hold our ac compressor harmless to prevent this change?

  • @linh811
    @linh811 8 месяцев назад +2

    I've had my 2011 v10 r8 since new. Currently less than 7k miles. Besides tires wearing fast, I haven't paid for anything 'extra', just regular maintenance like any other car. The A/C did fail but was replaced under warranty. I buy the Audi car care package thingy or whatever it's called as the 'cost of owning a supercar' and don't have to worry about it. Knowing I would be going to an Audi service department instead of a Lambo or Ferrari service department was one of the main reason for choosing the Audi.

  • @stevekozel5253
    @stevekozel5253 2 года назад

    Great video and information Roger!!

  • @Evoque786
    @Evoque786 3 года назад +88

    Great informative video .. I’ll stick with my Honda 😂

    • @leandrorios4321
      @leandrorios4321 3 года назад

      😂

    • @punkyjunior895
      @punkyjunior895 3 года назад +5

      Civic doesn’t get the ladies lol

    • @Evoque786
      @Evoque786 3 года назад +11

      @@punkyjunior895 : depends on your objective. If you’re gonna purchase R8 to attract girls. Then it’s big expense 😜

    • @emanuelruiz7710
      @emanuelruiz7710 3 года назад +2

      @@punkyjunior895 NSX does 😎👉👉

    • @aldo5658
      @aldo5658 3 года назад +4

      Agree with ur honda comment but enjoyed this video. Will still get the 1st gen v8 r8

  • @UnwanaUdoh
    @UnwanaUdoh 3 года назад +1

    Great information 👍

  • @awesomeswag123
    @awesomeswag123 Год назад

    I currently own an i8 roadster, would you say an r8 cheaper to maintain (oil change/repair) than that because I’m considering switching.

  • @ashleymackenzie7209
    @ashleymackenzie7209 2 года назад +6

    I wouldn’t buy any super car without a very very long warranty..and I’d continue to renew it as long as I was allowed too do so.

  • @TheBhup
    @TheBhup 10 месяцев назад

    Very informative

  • @gpaje
    @gpaje 2 года назад +13

    I think if I had to replace even one magnetic shock, I would go with a coilover conversion. Which is most cases, is cheaper than replacing even 1 shock. The A/C compressor, probably a good Audi Indy Shop.

  • @DarrenChen
    @DarrenChen 3 года назад +10

    $650 is a great deal!
    I spend about $500/YR on parts only maintaining my 2002 Toyota SUV. Haha

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +1

      Almost 2 years in no issues so far 🤞🏻

  • @THEJMILLSBAND
    @THEJMILLSBAND 3 года назад

    Wow Great Video.....Great Information....

  • @jermainenicholson8788
    @jermainenicholson8788 3 года назад +8

    Sounds like it's cheaper and offers an immense piece of mind by purchasing extended warranty. Sounds like the cost of one expensive R8 repair will pay for the warranty itself, plus the piece of mind is PRICELESS

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      Not necessarily. Audi increased the price of their warranty dramatically it was like 7k for 2 years (offered to me in 2019)... I didn’t buy it and my car is fine after 2 years

  • @ericjackson5443
    @ericjackson5443 3 года назад

    Great video.

  • @arcticape445
    @arcticape445 Год назад +4

    How’s the R8 now? Planning on getting one!

  • @benwoods86
    @benwoods86 3 года назад

    So stunning 💯

  • @icastro8
    @icastro8 5 месяцев назад

    I currently own a 1966 chevy C10! Now let me tell you! It runs heavy and she is a chevy! Now shes a smoker on short runs but cant keep up on the long race. She leaks transmission oil and some engine oil. However before I drive it, I check the fluid and add oil to it.

  • @Its_Just_Glenn
    @Its_Just_Glenn 3 года назад +1

    Glad I found your channel

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      Glad to have you onboard :)

  • @avecplaisirmusic
    @avecplaisirmusic 2 года назад

    Insurance cost??

  • @Tenacitae
    @Tenacitae 3 года назад +1

    What year is your r8? Do you know if the AC compressor not resolved in the latest 14-15 models?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      Mine is 2014. The facelift still can get AC problems

  • @Bob-in4eh
    @Bob-in4eh Год назад +3

    good information as I have been looking at these after selling my 21 Corvette. I have no idea how these , Ferrari , or Lambo used 125k type cars sell at all given a brand new 23 vett with same or better performance sells at 85k well equipped with warranty and not remotley close maint costs . guess will continue to wait for my 23 vett. they must be killing this market.

    • @michaelford6270
      @michaelford6270 4 месяца назад

      I think if you have a lift you'll find you can do most everything on a lambo or R8 - I can't speak for Ferrari but don't imagine parts are easy to find and definitely not as affordable. Good luck, you won't regret your decision once you hit the gas!

  • @Dave-jv3th
    @Dave-jv3th 3 года назад

    Does everything you said apply to the V10 (facelift) as well?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +2

      AC compressor fix on V10 is easier, don’t need to remove engine at Audi. All other things are the same.

  • @Bang_n_slang
    @Bang_n_slang Год назад

    Wondering when changing out the original suspension to coilovers. Will it set off any dash lights

    • @michaelford6270
      @michaelford6270 4 месяца назад +1

      there are magride delete units that plug in to make the car think all is fine and dandy with the stock system preventing service lights.

  • @Millertime316
    @Millertime316 2 месяца назад

    This is why I bought an extended warranty with my 2021

  • @aaronnguyen2711
    @aaronnguyen2711 3 года назад

    Hi who make those side CF blade? thanks

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      German Rush. You see it in detail from this video: ruclips.net/video/Gkqt7sjp-Ek/видео.html

  • @premium2554
    @premium2554 2 года назад +1

    Any idea about V10 and transmissions of R8s? Are they also reliable ?

  • @willpeters8856
    @willpeters8856 Год назад +1

    Any ideas of v8 compares to v10 in terms of maintenance? Thanks in advance

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  Год назад

      V8 is more for AC compressor replacement. Everything else is the same.

  • @NoirSavant
    @NoirSavant 2 года назад +14

    Recently been plotting on an R8 in the not so distant future. Was a little worried about overall cost but it’s actually on par with my X6M despite being a more expensive car

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад +2

      Just hit 2 years this month still no problems. Would recommend buying CPO if you can find one.

  • @cal7875
    @cal7875 3 года назад +2

    Hi Roger, where did you get the side scoops for the intakes?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      German Rush ruclips.net/video/Gkqt7sjp-Ek/видео.html

    • @cal7875
      @cal7875 3 года назад

      👍🏻

  • @XXX-cn7gj
    @XXX-cn7gj Год назад +1

    I have finally saved up a good lump of change and am ready to jump the gun on one of my favorite cars ! I am surprised at the cost of ownership, was expecting it to be higher.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  Год назад

      Do it! 4 years ownership now no major problems

    • @XXX-cn7gj
      @XXX-cn7gj Год назад

      @@RogerCui Still deciding as its a pretty big purchase, but man does it feel like I am ready!

  • @strahinjaboskovic305
    @strahinjaboskovic305 3 года назад +1

    its called big service plugs belt etc...

  • @ikai640
    @ikai640 3 года назад +1

    I mean i want an R8 in my life as well at some point (not right now as i am a student). But firstly how the heck does youtube know this and recommend me thism video, and secondly due to the problems you listed, which i also read a fair amount of, I think I´ll go with coilover suspension R8s and ask if the AC compressor blow up at any point (oh and also steel brakes)
    EDIT: how much do you use in fuel ? So MPG or L/100km

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +2

      MPG is 11 in city and 20 highway. I gun it at red lights and stop signs quite often and this leads to 8 MPG 😅.

    • @ikai640
      @ikai640 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui i mean if you have a performance car ofc you will do that (:. But not as bad as i initially thought

    • @drdwgmd14
      @drdwgmd14 2 года назад

      @@RogerCui at least you actually drive it

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад

      @@drdwgmd14 yup been daily driving it for 2 years! It’s my only car

    • @drdwgmd14
      @drdwgmd14 2 года назад

      @@RogerCui phenomonal car. I am saving for one! Hoping next summer! Does the 2020 come with the sick rear wing?

  • @lewiszman
    @lewiszman 3 года назад +4

    is there a significant difference in maintenance/reliability between the V8 vs V10?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      No, although if the engine blows up you’ll pay more for a V10 (very low chance). A V10 could be cheaper for an AC compressor fix where you don’t need to remove the engine, where V8 you do.

  • @chrisking9928
    @chrisking9928 2 года назад

    What about warped rotors?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад

      not a common problem

  • @spencexxx
    @spencexxx 2 года назад

    So what if the AC goes out... it is a CONVERTIBLE

  • @JoseOrtiz-xh6he
    @JoseOrtiz-xh6he 3 года назад +7

    That’s German engineering for you 😭😂

    • @cheezybread7783
      @cheezybread7783 2 года назад +1

      ofc... scotty kilmer curses german & european vehicles due to over complex technology and insane maintnance cost. Just buy japanese LOL

  • @tekn0lust
    @tekn0lust 3 года назад +2

    Whats the best way to get a clutch life measurement if inspecting a used R8 ?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +2

      You can check wear by inspecting the clutch directly... however I haven’t heard of many people doing this because it’s such a hassle (not worth the cost)

  • @moviology708
    @moviology708 3 года назад +2

    how much did you buy it for if you don't mind my asking?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +1

      $85,500 before taxes

    • @moviology708
      @moviology708 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui wow that's actually kinda cheap. At my local dealership, it goes for 110k-130k. So do you recommend this car over a Mercedez AMG GT 2016?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +1

      funny enough I was deciding between R8 vs amg gt. R8 is more exotic and mid engine so I went with that

    • @moviology708
      @moviology708 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui hm. Thanks for the opinion and info. Appreciate it man.

  • @Krato3
    @Krato3 Год назад

    Ac breaks just get you a little portable fan 😂

  • @alphabeta8403
    @alphabeta8403 3 года назад

    CORRECTION at 7:00
    NSX is the cheapest supercar to maintain.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      Maybe… but there’s so few owners of NSX I’d say too few data points

  • @punkyjunior895
    @punkyjunior895 3 года назад

    Even with the added expenses you buy this car for 70K and put in 7K let’s say for major service and all else 2 k or less over a couple of years it’s nothing compared to the depreciation of a new one. I’m curious though how much would Audi sell an extended warranty on an R8 for 3 years bumper to bumper ? Is it a better value than Audi care ?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +1

      Extended warranty from Audi is REALLY expensive, not worth. I remember getting quoted like 8k for 2 years of additional warranty.

    • @strahinjaboskovic305
      @strahinjaboskovic305 3 года назад

      yup this one saving money basically :) but new one is crazy...its huge difference especially rwd one :)

    • @punkyjunior895
      @punkyjunior895 2 года назад

      @Lee Jon you must live in Canada cause you can buy the V8’s for this much or less. It’s the V10s that go closer or at 100K. I’m talking 2008-2011 models

  • @Lifewithemerson323
    @Lifewithemerson323 3 года назад +1

    Am going to the dealer to test drive a 2021 time to step up from my rs5 2018. Very informative video.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +3

      Look into the RWD it’s a new option for 2021 and it’s 20k cheaper

    • @strahinjaboskovic305
      @strahinjaboskovic305 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui and 3x more fun :)

  • @francislopez6932
    @francislopez6932 3 года назад +1

    What about insurance?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      I have it in this video: ruclips.net/video/t48-PgXeLso/видео.html

  • @web-unlocked
    @web-unlocked 3 года назад

    how old are you (just curious because the car seems expensive)

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      I am 28 this year, purchased the car at 26.

  • @MoodyHoodie
    @MoodyHoodie 3 года назад

    Im planning to buy this car. But we don't really have official Audi dealership here.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      Make sure to get a pre-purchase inspection. I looked at 2 R8’s before buying mine and both had many problems. Especially important for 3rd party dealers.

  • @supermotoj9561
    @supermotoj9561 2 года назад

    Great video I’ll stick with my 86 f150! Have fun bud!

  • @carlitot5388
    @carlitot5388 2 года назад +1

    So my Q5 2016 2.0 is way more cheaper to maintain then your R8 lol ! Nice car brother!!!✊🏾💯💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

  • @nizaminabs
    @nizaminabs 5 месяцев назад

    you buy a Beautiful car so it comes with it, you obvi know its going to be expensive to keep it up

  • @strahinjaboskovic305
    @strahinjaboskovic305 3 года назад +1

    first ,,super car,, from audi...share parts with other audi cars so you can pay cheaper. v8 legendary engine,awesome money saver...value hold strong...just its too slow :) new generation is huge step,just few more years price will be perfect :)

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +2

      yep the gen 2 is gonna be a great deal soon

  • @xion8099
    @xion8099 Год назад

    DO Kwon?

  • @MadhavanDawg
    @MadhavanDawg 3 года назад

    Waterloo gang

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад

      WATER WATER WATER

  • @coasterpath
    @coasterpath Год назад

    I’ll stick with my 2008 SL550 that actually has a real top.

  • @j-money1354
    @j-money1354 2 года назад +1

    The R8 is best supercar based on taking everything into account.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад +1

      Agreed! Thought of upgrading to a 458 or Huracan but think I’m gonna keep this for 2 more years.

  • @wjm3018
    @wjm3018 2 года назад

    Yeh this is not your typical daily driver car...you buy this car for luxury and speed and sense of pride. No matter what if you buy this type of car at this price range, you shouldn't be complaining about money (gas, maintenance cost), just Audi in general just make sure u have a deep pocket.

  • @michaelford6270
    @michaelford6270 4 месяца назад

    I've had my 2012 R8 V10 for over 3 years now with 36K miles. For tires I'm looking at $500 a corner mounted and balanced but don't track mine either, I replaced the known to fail magride suspension with airlift suspension at around 9K dollars, I've also replaced my A/C compressor at $5,400 - key to this is to ensure your cabin air filters get swapped frequently dirty ones overwork your already fragile A/C system. I have also had both valve cover gaskets redone due to one leaking at a cost of $4600 as well. I have yet to do the brakes, but discovered yesterday my battery needs to be replaced at around $250 since I do the labor myself on that. Oil changes I do myself as well for around $250 since the oil cost has gone up. @R8CaymanMike hope this helps! Great video, you must be in a cheaper cost of living spot than Northern Virginia because my jaw dropped at how cheap some of the items were for you! Beautiful R8!

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  4 месяца назад

      I replaced my front brake pads for only $400 including labor last week. Replace them with EBC redstuff.

  • @josesifuentes2592
    @josesifuentes2592 Год назад

    Thank god my homie is an Audi R8 certified tech… if y’all decide to buy an ftype I got you on that…. Honestly just be a technician and save yourself some money lol

  • @epicswirl
    @epicswirl 3 года назад +3

    How much should I have saved up to buy my first R8?

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +8

      I recommend having at least 2x net worth of purchase price of the car. So if you’re buying a 2008 R8 for 50k, you should have a net worth of 100k at least.

    • @epicswirl
      @epicswirl 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui idk I have at least 100k but idk if I should buy an r8 I’m thinking about a house rn. I only have 100+ in stock as well so it’s not fluid

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +3

      @@epicswirl 100k is great man you’re ahead of most ppl. A house is a good idea. I say 2x net worth as a bare minimum for ppl that are SUPER into cars. Try around 4x net worth and you can definitely afford it. Some ppl recommend something crazy like 10% of net worth max on a car... but that’s crazy to me. You’re only young once :)

    • @epicswirl
      @epicswirl 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui ok sounds good 👌🏽. Definitely the experience is worth money.

    • @epicswirl
      @epicswirl 3 года назад

      @@RogerCui obviously I only have over 100k in stocks tho. My first job is gonna be in computer science when I graduate next year might invest my income or something

  • @2023roadstervet
    @2023roadstervet 2 года назад

    Yup.. MX-5 buddy..zoom zoom

  • @rnat9246
    @rnat9246 Год назад

    but you never said V8 or V10... did you? I assume this is a V8

  • @Scudzzorz15
    @Scudzzorz15 9 месяцев назад

    3:35 You just called your Audi R8's engine a "V8". Lol

  • @basshun1
    @basshun1 2 года назад

    That’s pretty cheap. Good service

  • @notarealpers0n
    @notarealpers0n 3 года назад +2

    Haha canals. Classic vlog music.

  • @quanbo5427
    @quanbo5427 3 года назад +2

    No money for maintenance and other repairing things, don’t own it. =) it’s simply math.

  • @sdlausen1
    @sdlausen1 3 года назад +2

    All of the items you listed you can literally do yourself for a fraction of the cost. Want to save on resale, save all the receipts.

    • @HISHAM931
      @HISHAM931 3 года назад +1

      So you’re saying the ac compressor change can be done by the average person or by him?
      If you don’t have any hands on experience like a mechanic, it is absurd to think the average person can take out the engine block and put it back together.

    • @sdlausen1
      @sdlausen1 3 года назад +1

      @@HISHAM931 Funny how you the pick the one and hardest item that isn't regular maintenance. Oil, brakes are super simple

    • @HISHAM931
      @HISHAM931 3 года назад +2

      @@sdlausen1 you just said all the items…

    • @sdlausen1
      @sdlausen1 3 года назад

      @@HISHAM931 OK captain literal. Want a cookie?

    • @HISHAM931
      @HISHAM931 3 года назад +1

      @@sdlausen1 you literally said in your comment, “you can literally do yourself”. Either you have some reading comprehension issues or you are literally expecting people to pull their engine blocks out. Just delete your comment.

  • @majmunski3684
    @majmunski3684 3 года назад +6

    Thanks Roger. Your advice was so helpful. I sort of regret selling my 2018 Audi R8 last month. But I feel better after using the cash to buy four condos in the Balkans. With the virus crisis still ongoing, I thought it better to rent a helicopter to meet with the shareholders each week than to maintain an R8 over 5 years. Times are tough so we need to adapt. Be well. Nice wheels by the way. Stay cool :-)

  • @danielrealpozohdez410
    @danielrealpozohdez410 3 года назад +1

    TOO MUCH MONEY ROGER

  • @clippers4me
    @clippers4me Год назад

    I don't understand a car that is very expensive isn't engineered to last long. This engineering doesn't make sense from a consumer standpoint especially the AC compressor. I am not a super car owner nor can I afford one or even maintain it but just my thought.

  • @user-oz3ng4kd9k
    @user-oz3ng4kd9k 11 месяцев назад

    I'll just stick with my Lexus LC 500

  • @KoruKinshi
    @KoruKinshi Год назад

    I got an extended warranty. Problem solved.

  • @ithinkweregoingtoneedabigg8525
    @ithinkweregoingtoneedabigg8525 2 года назад

    Cost less than my 2011 bmw m3.

  • @southpawslugger8819
    @southpawslugger8819 2 года назад

    It’s a v10 not v8

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад

      Mine is the V8 version

  • @DreamMaker_970
    @DreamMaker_970 Год назад

    Yea I’ll just stick with Porsche

  • @coasterpath
    @coasterpath Год назад

    Get rid of your Perelli tires😊,, they suck, go with Goodyear, Michelin, or at least continentals z ,,,, Perelli are not that great tires for a Porsche 718,, you be lucky to get 25,,, but you don’t seem the Type to actually drive that car for speed.

  • @ps3301
    @ps3301 2 года назад

    Just buy a Tesla roadster instead. Faster and lower maintenance cost.

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад +1

      Bro a tesla roadster is $250k LOL

  • @israelicitizen
    @israelicitizen 2 года назад

    My a3 maintanence is more expensive than your r8 im gonna sell my a3 , buy a house and then buy r8 or porsche 911

  • @henrystory3011
    @henrystory3011 2 года назад +1

    cheapest supercar to maintain........... GTR

  • @tom11zz884
    @tom11zz884 2 года назад

    No thanks. I'll get a Lexus instead...lol

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  2 года назад

      cheaper and more reliable for sure!

  • @alvismooks
    @alvismooks 2 года назад

    Sorry, can't listen to a guy who calls rotors, "brakes."

  • @rayj7146
    @rayj7146 3 года назад

    why would you want an R8. Its crap. Even the front subframe has a common fault it cracks

    • @RogerCui
      @RogerCui  3 года назад +7

      This problem was fixed in 2010 models

    • @strahinjaboskovic305
      @strahinjaboskovic305 3 года назад

      every single car in world have common fault

  • @ratemy4719
    @ratemy4719 Год назад

    this is not super car for sure !!!

  • @CB-ux5xc
    @CB-ux5xc 4 месяца назад

    You haven’t owned the car long enough to warrant your opinion on ownership. 11 months isn’t anything. Secondly this Volkswagen isn’t a super car and you saying it over and over won’t make it true. Until you’ve owned this Volkswagen 4-5 years at a minimum I suggest you not post.