Radeon RX 7900 XTX vs. GeForce RTX 4080, FSR vs. DLSS / Ray Tracing Benchmarks
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Video Index
00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
00:29 - Ad Spot
01:13 - Current Pricing for the RX 7900XTX + RTX 4080
02:01 - Test System Specs
02:39 - The Last of Us Part 1
03:53 - Remnant 2
04:34 - Starfield
05:22 - Baldur’s Gate 3
05:53 - Resident Evil 4
06:33 - The Callisto Protocol
07:01 - Far Cry 6
07:40 - Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
08:44 - Star Wars: Jedi Survivor
09:50 - Hitman 3
10:51 - F1 23
11:40 - Forza Horizon 5
12:55 - Cyberpunk 2077
13:55 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
15:08 - Fortnite
16:22 - Dying Light 2: Stay Human
17:19 - Hogwarts Legacy
18:17 - 1080p Average
18:35 - 1440p Average
18:56 - 4K Average
19:07 - Ray-Tracing 1080p
19:25 - Ray-Tracing 1440p
19:46 - Ray-Tracing 4K
20:10 - Upscaling + RT 1080p
20:34 - Upscaling + RT 1440p
20:44 - Upscaling + RT 4K
20:56 - Final Thoughts
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Radeon RX 7900 XTX vs. GeForce RTX 4080, FSR vs. DLSS / Ray Tracing Benchmarks
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Not a bad fight. Both need to be cheaper, though.
I miss the days of paying $400-$500 for top of the line GPUs. I can barely afford mid range cards these days.
ALL AMD cards besides the rx 6600 are horribly overpriced relative to their market demand. The 6600 performs like a 3060 and costs as much as the 3050. It is the only AMD gpu with sales that compete with a similarly priced nvidia counterpart. However, it's 45% faster than a 3050 and is the same price.
Compared to a 4080, the 7900xtx should be priced at $750 for it to sell well. Similarly, the 7900xt needs to be $600, 7800xt at $450. They'd make less profit but actually sell gpus.
This seems like Lisa su is colluding with Jensen Huang to raise prices of the whole market. They've just stopped bothering with competing with consoles in terms of value.
@@RadialSeeker113 why are you only bitching about AMD cards? Nvidia is milking all the fools to the limit.. they are extremely overpriced.
@@Sajuuk9 read his comment again if you think he only budges on AMD!
@@RadialSeeker113If the GPU market share was easily influenced by just having better value products, we wouldn't be in a situation where Nvidia holds over 80% of the market to begin with. Everyone complains about Nvidia prices, but still winds up buying Nvidia despite AMD generally delivering better performance per dollar.
Also, no shit, AMD is a corporation, it is literally legally obligated to post profit to shareholders. Let's suppose they double their current market share by cutting the profits they get from each individual purchase by 60%. Do you need me to explain to you why they'd rather avoid that?
When I was GPU shopping I got a 7900xtx for $800 and the 4080 was $1200 , It was no contest, I love the xtx
Are you getting driver crashes or did u find a fix for them?
@@jikrukakru9653Also got a 7900XTX havent seen any crashes at all so far, which games have that issue? Bought a ASROCK Phantom Gaming OC 7900 XTX
@@jikrukakru9653 I think after the 1st few weeks of having it the kinks got ironed out with an update around July some time
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords Just picked up a PowerColor Hellhound 7900 XTX for 899 on Amazon. Selling my 3080 to a friend. Looking forward to to the upgrade and finally getting real 4K60 performance!
I Romania its almost 500$ cheaper to get the 7900.
I had the same battle between these two cards a few months ago. I ended up getting a 7900 XTX at Newegg. I couldn’t stomach Nvidia’s pricing. I’m happy with it.
Good job. 7900 XTX has more VRAM which makes it a better option in my opinion.
Same when I got my XTX in the U.K. the price distance between these was 36%. I was geared up to get the 4080 too until a deal dropped and I couldn’t justify the price. Happy with it but even at £830 is silly expensive for a single component. That being said at 3440x1440 I’m sure my new pc will last a good few years now.
Same here. Have been rocking my tuf oc xtx. Brilliant experience
@@Raumsyeah xtx should deliver great performance for a good 4-year time, I think
I was close to getting the xtx but after seeing the 4080 has a much lower power draw I'd save money over time and I can access frame gen
I really enjoyed that you included DLSS and FSR results, thank you
Its good but the problem is DLSS usually offers better image quality than FSR, so it's not exactly apples to apples.
At 4k you can hardly tell the difference, DLSS is better in dense vegatation areas, I like FSR's sharpening more though in other city like areas.@@Battleneter
@@micahwright542 Overall DLSS still is better, when they did the test for dlss 2 vs fsr 2, it really wasnt close with dlss winning pretty much everywhere. Sure, its more noticeable at lower res or performance mode but even in quality 4k, you can make it out
@@micahwright542 You can incrase sharpnes in game when dlls on. If isn't in game use a nv driver panel and sorted out.
@@sebastian38488 sharpness doesn't bring quality back, and imo makes the image looks worse when used.
Hi Steve, question regarding Forza Horizon 5. You said that you did the RT test at the Extreme preset, however the preset only enables High RT - which isn't active in races or free roam, only in ForzaVista and photo mode. To get in-game RT reflections you have to manually raise the RT level to either Ultra (half resolution RT, your car only) or Extreme (full resolution RT, your car only). Are these figures using High RT, or did you raise it to Ultra or Extreme?
Hey mate, sorry it wasn't made clear. The RT setting has been manually set to 'ultra'.
update: testing 'extreme' only lowers the fps of the 7900 XTX by a few % with almost no change to the RTX 4080.
Love this interaction between keen-eyed viewer and genuine reviewer
I wish we could rate the quality of the RT implementation and upscaling implementation in individual games too. I know ratchet and clank had fuzzy looking RT shadows which didn't look much better than raster while cyberpunk looks like a completely different game with RT reflections. Some RT games really just don't look better than raster which helps the xtx while some FSR implementations are truly awful which helps the 4080.
That would be a great metric, there aren’t many games out that justify the use of RT in terms of improving the image quality. Cyberpunk with RT is mind blowing, feels great to be able to play it at over 100 FPS on a 4080
Eh XTX does RT great except on Nvidia focused titles like Cyberpunk so ur point doesn't really make sense. RT is a joke, and Nvidia likes to pretend it is way more important than it is and for less money and more Vram the XTX is the better choice (IMO). I used to like Nvidia a lot but they're trying to scam you at this point.
@@shanks2872 no it doesn't. it does well on software RT (Lumen) not on hardware RT. Cyberpunk is one of the most hardware agnostic games. It's just that PT is unusable on AMD cards. AMD's solution to RT is to use the same shader units to compute both RT and Raster. NVIDIA on the other hand has dedicated RT cores. So NVIDIA cards have better RT at the cost of raster. And they believe that's the right choice. I assume they will do everything they can to push Path Tracing with their market share. XTX has 4070 levels of pure RT which is quite embarrassing for a flagship card. In the end it all comes down to who wins, path tracing or lumen. If path tracing wins AMD is fucked hard, if lumen wins NVIDIA lost at least 8 years of RT development (IN GAMING). I hope that PT wins cause it simply looks better but consoles are way too weak for it. Maybe next gen consoles
@@plasmahvh I still have to disagree on the Amd is fucked part, they can switch to developing RT while Nvidia will have lost tons of money. While you could say 4070 levels of RT is embarrasing (I disagree), you could say the same about the vram on the 4070 and ti. We are starting to see more Vram usage on games and it won't go down in the future. I still believe Amd is the better choice for the average gamer since they do care about their older cards and they perform very well.
@@plasmahvhyall really dont *have to* suck of megacorporations or defend them from each other, even more ironic when talking about cyberpunk
I'm extremely glad to see upscaled benches, now this has been a very helpful comparison! Keep up the good work!
These prices continue to be ridiculous. What a joke.
In Poland these graphics card are worth 300$+ more, and the difference between Rx 7900 xtx and RTX 4080 is 100$
Hey! You can make a build for 2200 with the xtx!!
Think these are bad...wait till 50 series
How are they a joke? You couldn't get no 30s at msrp 2 years ago...or have you forgotten? 3080 msrp 600 bucks....real price...about 1500 if u were lucky. 3090....2500 to 3k...and people were still buying them. So now 40s are out..and prices are to high...when we still can't get 30s at msrp....cut the cap or move to console.
@@elvertmack5039 I love how you can only manage to get your memory to go back 2 years , your the people 🐑 the marketing teams dream about. 👍
I bought an open box Asus TUF 7900XT for AUD$1000 about 4 months ago. I play at 4K on a 144hz panel and I’ve been really impressed by the cards performance.
I bough an ASRock one for 1167 AUD and it's a beast. Frankly I feel like I could have gotten away with a 7800XT and just drop the graphics a bit but I know this will last me longer so I won't complain.
Good Buy! I got a white 4080 in march for 1800aud (7900xtx price at the time). And the 7900xt was high on my radar... Looks like a solid option here in Australia
I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 on my 7900XT at 1440P (XESS Quality mode) with Ultra RT Lighting and Reflections enabled and getting 65 fps averaging Japantown area and it looks amazing. Most all other games 100+ fps maxed out at 1440P. It really is a darling of a card IMO. and 20GB VRAM? Wow.
@@GregoryShtevenshI’m a generation behind but I got my 6800 for 300 used 2 months ago and paired with my 5800x3d on 240hz 1080p I have had no complaints
How is the coilwhine on the asuscard?
Such marvelous work and so detailed. I can imagine what it took for you to compile all these results, once again 😅
lmao
"Radeon for value, for ray-tracing... it's complicated."
Well, that's a step in the right direction for AMD. You couldn't say that last gen! Thanks, Steve.
Just hope they can continue to accelerate this trend. Even in this gen, RT still isn't that important, but we're getting there. Also crucial for not letting NVIDIA get away with putting their ray tracing software into every game.
15% cheaper with only 11% worse RT on average. still a better value if you go by the average numbers. to me looked like 4080 was only better if you just play those few titles that are on the extreme end like fortnight dx11 and rift apart.
How does cyberpunk with path tracing work with FSR?
@@KeepAnOpenMind Well it works fine per sé, as long as you either go down to probably FSR ultra performance or so (at least at 4K with an XTX). And are fine with at most like 30fps (without FSR 3, as that's not in cyberpunk yet).
But then again for the amount of performance you even loose on a 40 series card and the relatively little uplift over full "normal" RT, you'll probably want to play without that anyways.
@@KeepAnOpenMindI've got a 7900xt and I can get 30fps avg so the xtx is probably around 45 but I would say squeezing it to 60 wouldn't be realistic with how bad the image quality would be
We need a deatailed video about FSR 3.0 and Fluid Motion Frames
First we need normal games with fsr3...
Why do a detailed video on a thing that’s available in exactly two games? You’re basically just asking for a AMD ad.
@@joemarais7683 soon it will be everywhere, pc, ps5, xbox and handhelds...
@@joemarais7683Unlike Ray Reconstruction, which is only available in one game and at the highest graphical preset that most cards wouldn't be able to handle? And yet, RR has gotten tons of high-level reviews whereas FSR 3 has barely been so much as mentioned.
@@joemarais7683frame generation works in almost any game, fsr3 in two games and anti lag plus in many games, none of these features have been addressed
Even though the 7900xtx has rt
I play games like BG3 and SF6 so it's unnecessary to me.
Got that gpu for 20% off, still quite expensive but nowhere near the 4090 AND the 4080
which are outrageously priced in my area.
I bought a 4080 but i have to say the 7900xtx wins in terms of price to performance. And now the xtx has frame generation as well... that released a week after i bought the 4080 -_-.
Ray tracing is not a huge deal right now. In SOME games yes. In Cyberpunk with overdrive mode yea ok.
I picked one up a sapphire pulse 7900xtx at microcenter for 725 open box. It’s definitely overkill for most of the games I frequent but it’s been really nice having the ability to play more intense games and not have to think about the settings too much.
@@jameswayton2340 You've still got a great card though, so no real loss. No idea how quickly FSR 3 / Fluid motion frames are going to roll out either. But yea, its annoying when stuff rolls out right after a purchase that -could- change the calculus. Course, I bought my 7900xtx on launch day and have been waiting almost a year for FSR 3 :P
@@JS-be8llSince the Frame gen is driver level, support it already out for like 10 games and should be quickly adopted for native support by games already supporting FSR.
@@jameswayton2340 The 4080 has some neat features for 3d like CUDA.
But Nvidia sells them gpus for over 1200 EUR(minimum) here😳
The 7900 "bonus" is the 24 GB memory-comes handy in PBR texturing.
With my 3090, I have really felt for a while that I am on the cusp of having the 4K Ray Traced performance be at the level I want in titles like Cyberpunk and the Witcher 3. I've had my eye on the 7900xtx for a minute now, but after seeing this it seems that both the 7900xtx and the 4080 still fall just short in more than a few titles with RT, much like my 3090 does. This data makes me far more comfortable with making the decision to stay with my 3090 for some more time, until features like Path Tracing become more common in games and GPU's become powerful enough to run it reliably at 4K.
Yes! It probably 1-2 gens more to get to acceptable RT performance, and with the price on this cards I would wait to not feel like I have been rip off and doesnt even get good RT
I'm sticking with my 6950xt, untill that happens
I bought a 7900xtx in January and will definitely use it for years but by the time I upgrade ray tracing will probably be a minor minor hit to fps
Yeah 3090 should go strong for a while
Agreed. I'm on a 6900XT with the XTXH silicon. It is stable up to 2875 MHz core and 1150 vRAM. I usually stay between 2700-2750 for 24x7, where it pulls 250w-255w at full load. On my 21:9 uptrawide at 2160x1080 Using FSR Quality, I can turn on some RT features in Cyberpunk 2077 and average 60+ FPS in the benchmark. If I go JUST for reflections, I'm in the 70-80 range. I don't see any real benefit to upgrading this gen. Going to skip this one and see how the next one shapes up.
4090 is the only video card that will do high settings 4k ray tracing, and it won't run it at a super high frame rate even then. That is your only option if you want to go this route. Maybe the next gen of Nvidia cards will improve that but I expect 4k ray tracing will still be edge case users compared to the vast majority of users who are either at 1440p or below.
Just my user experience, the 7900xtx has been amazing. No regrets. But objectively, it would be much better at 900$.
... it's nearly there with 20 bucks or so.
The next prime day, black Friday, or sell in general is going to show that.
right now it's 889$
Well ofc. The cheaper the better lol.
objectively it would be better at $90
I got mine at 940 bucks and not a single problem in any games over a month
That's an insane in-depth comparison and I love to see dlss and fsr tests included. Keep up the good work!
I have a 7900 xtx and the drivers have been quite good, 2 to 3 updates during a month, performance has always improved, sometimes with some bugs, but otherwise I'm satisfied and I don't see much difference from when I had the Nvidea gpu. I bought this graphics card because not even the 4080/90 would fit in my case, so I decided to buy AMD and I'm satisfied, plus I paid a lot less
Thanks for your video. For your averaging graphs starting at 18 min, it would be super helpful if you showed which graphs represent which video card in either your x-axis lable, a header above the column, or some colloring. I always get confused which side is which when these are shown.
Shouldn’t your statement about fsr3 frame generation/fluid motion frames be “it is a new feature and it’s not well supported yet but we expect this to increase over the next couple of months” same as the Ray reconstruction statement
Lately I really wish HUB mentioned a bit more things in favor of AMD. From their videos it seems that Radeon is so much inferior to Nvidia that it should be at least 100USD cheaper. While there are clear upsides to AMD, and the upsides of Nvidia don't apply to many gamers. What a time to be alive, RT and DLSS is more than raw performance and 50% more VRAM.
@@jondasek I couldn’t agree with you more, every time HUB mentions a AMD feature it’s like they are chewing on wasp’s; the disgust on their face’s is plain to see
I’m a RTX 30 series owner personally and I’m a single player gamer, I do like upscaler and RT settings turned on. We were locked out of a feature because apparently it couldn’t run on our cards which I said was bs back then and AMD have proven it is bs plus that you can run frame generation on older cards and I would say the fsr3 frame generation looks to be even better. Xess will implement it soon no doubt. I’d be interested in seeing it with xess too; at lower resolutions it might be interesting
I don’t dismiss other companies technology or features off like HUB are doing because I am a technology enthusiast. I wish HUB would go back to being enthusiasts and not be so biased because something doesn’t meet their Nvidia standards or their bank roll
@@anonymoususer7985 I also currently use a 3070, I used Vega 56 before, and still have Rx480 in my wife's pc. The AMD software is miles ahead of Nvidia, and their recent additions like FSR3 and Fluid motion, then Radeon chill, more performance for buck, etc etc. HUB themselves went from dismissing RT and DLSS and preferring raster performance to making RT the reason to recommend Nvidia now apparently.
I paid 20% less for my XTX compared to the 4080 and couldn’t be happier
so what? Inferior upscaling, inferior ray tracing, inferior anti latency tech. When you buy high-end GPU, don't even start, that RT doesn't matter because it damn does.
@@mroutcast8515 you saw someone happy with their purchase and had to rain on their parade. Still on the internet and still reading RUclips comments … confirmed.
@@mroutcast8515not everyone is a fan of ray tracing, I have it off myself and when I upgraded I went with the 7900XTX to save some cash
Oh and my 7900XTX was not only cheaper but it came with Starfield premium edition too 💪👏
@@ChristopherPunton and I played it's for 10 bucks on game pass, so what?
Upgraded my old 1050ti system to an rtx 4080 and I absolutely love it and it's surprisingly cool even under load
I feel you I had a 1060 and now have a 4080 too
@@darth_dunedain106 rip
Another amazing blockbuster benchmark done by Steve! And I've come to watch it fast, almost as fast as you benchmark stuffs!
My 7900 XTX has been going pretty well for me. Gaming at 4K largely is good enough I don't need to use upscaling, but even then FSR is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. DLSS is obviously better, but it's not so dramatically better I couldn't play a game that had FSR instead and not DLSS (they should all be there, not advocating for vendor locked features). Maybe once AMD is winding down development of frame gen they could focus on utilizing their AI cores to further enhance their 7000 series cards in FSR and produce DLSS quality upscaling to effectively eliminate the largest downside they have currently?
With that being said, DF had a good point that due to DLSS having effectively a similar quality upscaling image at about one more notch down on the presets vs FSR ( DLSS Balanced = FSR Quality), it gives an even larger bump in performance to Nvidia.
I am using FSR @1440p with a 6700xt and I can confirm it isn't bad at all. I don't use it in every game but the ones I have it looks great and provides a noticeable boost to fps.
@@dakbassett I think the visibility in difference becomes more apparent the larger the screen. Though I agree, FSR is doing just fine and I would not use DLSS as a main selling point for a Nvidia card purchase. Rather producitivity, A.I etc.
*What does the founders edition of the 4080 cost?*
Great job, Steve! Both GPUs are beyond my budget but the data is still very interesting from the point of view of software evolution.
Thanks for the efforts!
you can find it cheaper if you look hard in used/refurb. I got my 4080 for $600
@@hasanahmadi got my for 380
nice lies@@hasanahmad
i got mine xtx for 100@@Rebe-Caufman
7900 xtx was 889.99 today but sold out quick on amazon.
I was planning to get the 7900xt in a couple of weeks. You think I should just wait til Black Friday and get the xtx ?
Can you comment on the stability of the cards? Was there any noticeable difference? Had a bad experience with stability on team red years ago and have been hesitant to come back since all the performance in the world is a bit of a moot point when you’re constantly crashing.
My RNDA2 card had no stability issues so far. From what I've seen online, the last time there were such issues was at the release of RDNA1, until they sorted out the drivers. All RDNA2&3 drivers were solid stability wise from day1.
Picked up a Merc 310 7900 XTX back in March when they first dropped to $1K, and have been really happy with it, especially with how the drivers and tech have evolved. Also really like the new fluid frame tech, in some games I've tried. I play Cyberpunk at 4K ultra raytracing around 80FPS, and unlike other titles I've tried with fluid motion frames, Cyberpunk doesn't have much garbling around objects, and with Antilag+ feels pretty good with the input lag. Starfield and RDR2 were absolute garbage with FMF in my opinion with the shimmering and garbling of certain textures, but this is still in the beta phase, so we will see how the tech matures.
Undervolting actually caused my fps to go up, while shaving power consumption. Did you have a similar experience? I posted my settings in a reply post to this new vid.
What? 4k rt ultra 80fps? So they have 38fps and you have magically 80?
@@DKTD23 yep RDNA3 is similar to Vega. Uses too much power but can clock way higher than the deafult
@@brunonkowalskichanging voltages, power limits and playing with any setting can increase performance or they mean 1440p and not 4k
@@brunonkowalskireading is fundamental man. he mentioned he is using the new fluid frame technology. also, i’m pretty sure they disable SAM in their testing for consistency. that would also bump up your fps.
You can't go wrong with any of these two.
Great work! Thanks.
Should I get the nitro x vapor for 1200€ or the hellbound for 1000€?
Outstanding review Steve, very informative and easy to follow .🤘🤙
Amazing analysis as always. Thank you Steve and team
As an XTX owner, two factors that are worth mentioning. First, these cards undervolt like crazy and you get drastically lower power consumption for an imperceptible performance hit. I have a factory OC model that has a stock TGP of 365W. With undervolting, it runs at a max TGP of 325W with a
Thanks for that information. I am setting up a 7800x3d and 7900xtx build.
How much exactly you undervolted to? I guess not only negative power limit?
Thinking about getting this card for my new PC. How are the drivers? Any issues with the card besides that? I've been hearing some things about windows issues?
can i run it at 200 watt?
@@whitygoose i undervolted by 2% and underclocked by 8%. it draws 240w max at ridiculously low temp and noise
Was waiting for this vid. Thanks
When considering which new GPU to choose AMD vs Nvidia should we still be considering our Existing display compatibility regarding G-Sync or Freesync or are there any new considerations for this on the newer GPU's? or will we always have a order a Display and GPU when considering changing platforms? What are your thoughts?
I really like what you do with your videos and comparisons.
Personally I'd really want to know how they compete in various Virtual Reality titles. I'm aware that it's the minority of people who care about VR performance, but for me its a big deal. Sadly there is simply no credible comparison videos for the 7900xtx and the 4080 with their latest drivers on all of youtube.
thanks again for your valuable tests!
i have 2 pcs, one with a 10850k and one with a 13700k. i bought a 4080 for the 10850k system and a 7900xtx for the 13700k system, and both work very well at 1440p high refreshrate. i do swap them around from time to time, just to see if i can notice big differences, but yeah the cards are so close it isnt very noticable except in cyberpunk raytracing. other than that as im daily driving my 13700k/ rx 7900xtx rig, i must say im quite impressed with the radeon GPU!
And why didn't you try the 5800 X 3D, or later on the 7800 X 3D? 😲
@@Theworthsearcher well i didnt go ryzen because the x3d wasnt out yet when i bought the 13700k, and i had found a good deal on the 13700k when i bought it. i am thinking of ryzen 9000 for my next major purchase, as long as it is on AM5. but for now intel is serving me very well.
Why do you have two systems?
@@mycelia_ow i have friends over and it is always good to have spares.
Does it change the visual quality when you run Jedi Survivor with upscaling? Interesting if the image is worse but still same performance, lol.
I hope you also include your thoughts on driver level FMF in your video and not just limited to the 2 games that are officially supported.
Appreciate the effort...
I just cannot swallow the bitter pill of nvidia gpu's and their "superior" pricing... It smacks of an insult to gamers...and the RT thing is getting loooong in the tooth now.
The AMD pricing of the 7900XTX is probably also not the most favourable...but it is much more palatable.
I still think the next big thing will be AI assistance in games...rather than the frame trickery they all do know to blow up fps. I want my RTS games and bots to be smart and the NPC's in games to actually leverage the AI circuitry in the GPU's...
Built my new pc yesturday with a 7800x3d and a 7900xtx (saphire nitro) in a matx case. Being completely new to AMD i have to say im very happy so far. Its a massive upgrade to my intel 6700k and nvidia 1080 graphics card. I tried Warhammer 3 total war got a 100+ fps increase at the highest setting. Not sure about raytracing (currently downloading cyberpunk) as ive never been able to use it. Cant say if its going to be something i really want to have in my games or a "just nice to have" feature. Hope these cards have long legs on them to keep going for a number of years.
In Cyberpunk: Don't use the RT presets. Just enable RT Reflections and let everything else run on raster. It's the only RT effect that really wows you. The rest just "look different" from their raster counterparts, but nothing must have.
@@andersjjensen thanks, okay I'll take a look. Should I enable frame generation aswell. Sorry for the basic questions but I am completely new to amd so lots to learn.
Great breakdown and love that you did native, rt and upscaling. Also both are impressive cards
I have a question because I dont know that much about this stuff so please be respectful of my ignorance lol. 7900xtx has displayport 2.1, 4080 has 1.4. Does that mean if/when they start making monitors that support DP 2.1 that will affect fps and will blow out the 4080 due to the advanced bandwidth or is that not how it works?
My argument for the AMD card would be, if you want longevity. The larger framebuffer will historically make the card age WAY better.
was true, is true, will forever be true. BUT, in this case, the % diff of frame buffer is small, only 20% more, so not a huge argument. when it is at least 33%, yes, you can make a case for it, see 1060vs580-8g. Update: thinking of the XT model, not XTX, in this comparison.
@@xtynek88 The 7900XTX has 24GB, the 4080 has 16GB. That's 50% more, not 20.
Nah, it is still bigger and will enable years of better experience, this has been seen a lot in the past as well. @@xtynek88
@@Hugh_I you're right, I was thinking of the XT, not XTX model when I wrote this. My bad.
Yes but by the time 16gb is saturated that will be the least of your problems with a card that old
You will probably be able to get a card half the price of a 7900xtx with 24gb vram and like 50%+ more performance by the time you need that
In my opinion I dont think the 7900xtx is that bad at RT its really not that far behind in RT. I also have a 7900xtx and it's been great.
to be real both are shit at RT if you want to RT buy something like 4090 . If a gpu can produce 4k 60 fps at high settings it will def produce an enjoyable experience
I missed it somewhere I think. Was the testing done with FSR 2 or FSR 3?
Never mind, caught it in the end comments.
Would it be worth getting the 4080 later this month when I build up the funds for it by the end of Oct or just save the money until black Friday and are the prices even gonna drop by that much where it's worth waiting another month?(still need a mobo, CPU, ram, and case) maybe it would be better to have the money saved up, ready to buy the GPU at a moment's notice and then just focus on getting the other parts instead. I'm also asking here because this is a recent video and would like to know what other people would do and idk where else to ask so yeah any suggestions are greatly appreciated:) and also where else to ask, I was thinking about going to a microcenter to ask them there, they're pretty helpful from my experience
Personally I'd wait
Thanks Steve!
This 8GB VRAM difference is bound to make a big difference with high res textures in the next 2-3 years
@viacheslav_822 Soon PC Ultra Textures will look better than console so VRAM usage will go up.
@viacheslav_822Exactly, all we have now is console port games. Games are not developed for PC anymore.
@viacheslav_822you need also more ram for local AI operations
@@alpher8962 If you're doing local AI operations then AMD isn't an option, they lack CUDA support.
@@mycelia_ow That's simply not true because there are also open alternatives for cuda
Superb video and testing as always! Thank you!!
Did you test in both cards with 200% of render image quality in settings? I have a RTx 7900xtx and when I put in 200% of render the 24 GB of VRAM supports without problems, but when I do it the same in RTx 4070 ti (12 GB of VRAM), this card exceeds the limit and has a dramatically falls in the FPS. Obviously, to do this in both cards I use a power supply of 1000 watts. I notice that in several comparisons in RUclips, no one changes that settings. Why?
I’m surprised that the 4080 doesn’t reach 60 fps native in some 4K games. It’s a £1200 card. You shouldn’t feel like you’re compromised in todays games.
That has more to do with those games being unoptimized and CPU bottlenecked
Tying a cards performance to absolute frame rate values is stupid. There will always be games that push the envelope and others that sacrifice visuals for performance. Just increase draw distance, or use more real time path traced rays - you can always kill performance if you want to.
That's why you should not spend 1200 bucks on such a GPU ... especially if you get a similar GPU for 900 bucks.
And the "compromise" is getting worse when Nvidia GPUs hit the VRAM limit ... especially with RT enabled and more and more details in UE5 titles to come. 16 Gigs seems "enough for today" ... like 8 or 10 Gigs felt "enough" with RTX 3070/ 3080.
But they are not. And Nvidia knows that looking at 4090.
It would be interesting to update this 7900 xtx vs RTX 4080 video, when the new AMD Fluid Motion Frames technology is ready in its final version, which could perhaps make a big difference, good video anyway!
@@Navi_xoo The only advantage of fsr3 is when you have, for example, native around 75 FPS and you frame cap at 120 FPS. This means you generate less than X2 frames, so the input lag is lower than with NVIDIA FG and the image is really good. The situation is worse when with FSR 3 we cannot get the same number of frames as the monitor refresh rate, then strange stuttering occurs. I tested it in forspoken.
Does anyone have anything to say about their performance in VR? Specifically if the XTX is viable for a VR enthusiast?
Can you include the test type (e.g. 1080p +RT+ upscaling) in the titles of the summary charts? They are already in the embedded chapter titles but not the actual charts don't have that info.
Glad to see AMD has greatly improved drivers for these MCM variants of RDNA 3.
And thanks Steve for doing this very detailed testing. LOTS of data there for people to look at and it's good you waited to make something like this because this is about where performance will stay for both Nvidia and AMD, though I'm sure with AMD there'll be two or three games that get decent improvements. It just takes AMD a long time to get their drivers up to high quality and RDNA 3 had to be harder with both MCM and non-MCM GPUs.
Love the continuing updated contend on current video cards. Thanks for doing this type of work
In the uk I picked up a 7900xtx merc for £820, got a £90 waterblock and it runs rings around my buddies 4080. They seem to clock a lot higher with low core temps 🤷♂️ do the 4080’s respond similarly I wonder?
maybe I missed something but is there a reason this review ( and well basically no one) does the latest flight SIM as part of testing ?
I got my Asrock 7900 xtx on sale during the Newegg summer sale for $893 then I got affrim gave a 10% discount if you financed with them and I paid it off in a month, so getting it for only $814.00 I think it was a good deal.
Damn. That's an excellent deal. Wow.
If you game at 4K and don't care about RT and upscaling, the 7900 XTX is the clear winner. Similar or better performance in most games, 50% more VRAM, 15% less money, and top-level Starfield for free. I'm not planning on buying either card, but if I were upgrading from my 6800XT, I'd go for the4 AMD card as long as the price margin is 15% or more, and I imagine it will be as long as both cards are still available new.
Starfield doesn't come with it, anymore
@@rustler08 Bummer.
Just a question, which DLSS mod was used for Starfield as it doesn't have official support yet.
Wondering this myself
hello steve, I have question regarding lumen and HW RT on UE5. It has been shown quite a number of time that ray tracing performance is competitive between AMD and NVDIA gpu at least in Fortnite. But why do most game run so poorly on AMD gpu when RT is turn on. I know Nvdia gpu are better at doing ray tracing but doesn't that mean fortnite should in theory run significantly better ?
I bought 7900XTX in May for 850euros so it was a sweet deal. Hope it keeps solid performance in raster for a long time 😊 let's see the results 😀
@blue-lu3izisn't it more like 900 USD before vat? 1 Euro = 1.05 USD
@@RadialSeeker113tax of probably 19% is included in the Euro price
So 900 USD is the after Tax price
Scored a Gainward RTX 4080 for ~1,050 euros last month, so imho also pretty nice deal. Very happy with the ray tracing performance for the price. The Gainward card is also surprisingly cool and whisper quiet.
Anyhow, currently the ASROCK 7900XTX Phantom Gaming gets sold in germany for 979€ (which includes 19% VAT), so 822€ (863USD) before VAT.
Hm.. i was promised 8K gaming with the 3090 ... What happend? 🤣
@@McLeonVP 8k with dlss ultra performance... might aswell just play play native 1080p or 1440p 😂😂
@@SweatyFeetGirl 1080p upscaled to 8k is always better than 1080p native.even in some cases,dlss quality looks better than native!
Older lighter titles..
Does this show the power usage of both cards?
Hello, you miss one! Most guys like myself use Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020+ what are the performance of those two cards, for the flight simulation? Thanks
Funny how the 7900XTX is getting the upper hand on the 4080 at higher resolutions, guess the 24GB of VRAM wasn't a waste after all..
It has more to do with the 4080's lower 256 bit bus rather than the vram.
Didn't expect the XTX to be that good in RT!
Its generally faster than the 3090 Ti. Pretty good honestly.
Does the 7900 XTX's RT performance scale with an OC?
why not?
What a good video guys. I am always interested on DLSS/FSR and mostly ray tracing performance. So thanks guys
Ordered 7900 XTX today. First Radeon card for me since ATI Radeon 8500. Interested to see how it performs and are there any additional features like noise suppression etc. and how do they perform vs RTX. Also let’s see if Stable Diffusion works with it as well.
How has it went?
I thought HUB usually included power data, am I imagining that? Anyway, VERY interesting results, that still leave a big question mark hanging on what games you really intend to play. The 7900XTX I feel will last a lot longer with it's 24GB of VRAM and wider bus, but when you're talking about spending $900-$1000 on a GPU (I hate this timeline) another $150-$200 on top for Ray-tracing performance could make sense if that's the kind of games you're playing.
Usually, but I imagine for this you can just go back to the original 7900 XTX review. Power likely hasn't changed much. 4080 is still probably consuming a bit less power.
And yeah, very interesting, they tie or the 7900 XTX barely wins on at least the rasterization comparison, but for every game benchmarked that I would play, the 4080 ties or wins. And there's other games where the 7900 XTX absolutely spanks, but I don't intend to play any of them. 4080 seems like a better choice for me, assuming black friday has some decent prices (I also hate this timeline)
Should I get the 7900 xtx Hellbound for 1025€ or the Nitro for 1243€?
I wonder how the 4080 would do if Fsr was used instead of Dlss. Is it possible fsr has more frames but less quality? what about the new fsr 3.0 etc?
I just got my Red Devil 7900 XTX last weekend. I really am happy with my choice. I'm going to integrate the card into my loop once I get the EK water block. We'll see what kind of uplift I get in overclocking vs air cooled.
Curious to see if there's a difference
I put in an Alphacool water block. €160.... €800 for Red Devil which makes €960 . If you want advice, don't spend money and increase the fans. Yes, it stays cooler and easily reaches 3Ghz without heating up, but at the end of the day do you want to spend 430 watts playing games?
@@Marco-vn1db Should see a difference, how large is the question. Raising the thermal headroom lets me get closer to absolute hardware power limitations without running into thermal ceiling first.
@@starlightHT Don't care about power consumption. Economy is not even remotely a concern for me. Also, my rig is an editing/content creation rig. There will be times the machine is churning away all night rendering. Cooler is less wear and tear.
Water. Cooling is so much better! I bought the XFX Merc 310 speedster 7900 XTX and those fans get loud! My last two cards were water cooled (R9 Fury X & Vega 64 LC) they run so much cooler and quieter but after a while the fan does make a rattling noise.
Thanks for adding the DLSS and FSR results, I am most curious about this
Have been waiting for this update! Grabbed my 4080 for $900 a few months ago so the averages are off from your graphs but really appreciate seeing all this information.
I had the option to buy either the 7900 xtx or the 4080. As an owner of a 3080 ti and 3070 ti, I didn't feel like being screwed on video memory this time. The 7900 xtx is the clear winner.
You're pretty much guaranteed that the 7900XTX will get retired due to a lack of power instead of a lack of VRAM. Next gen consoles are a long way off, but rumors point to 32GB with 28GB being available to the game in total. That means that even next gen console games are likely to "play well" with a 24GB buffer as very few games will be able to run off 4GB program data in memory at the time.
@andersjjensen we will see if that actually happens. I doubt console gamers want to pay $700 minimum
@@DKTD23 Next gen will be $500 for the model without optical drive at minimum. The sad truth is that we're not getting the lithographic gains we once did. When a new node launches it comes with a density increase but also a price increase to the point that the per-transistor cost goes up.
That's bold to say when 4080 clearly beats xtx in ray tracing, upscalling technology, productivity workload and such while also having better power efficiency
@@MS10x At the cost of an additional $200, mind you. I use my XTX at 1440p because I don't want upscaling (and I also don't particularly see a need to replace my three very good 27" 1440p monitors) and the only productivity I need is basic video editing which Radeon cards do perfectly fine. That only leaves RT in a few titles, as most recent titles actually play pretty well with AMD hardware (go figure how that works...) and the "small" matter of 8GB VRAM more. Nvidia is not getting $200 for that....
Snagged sapphire nitro+ 7900xtx about a month ago. Playing that $150-200 (plus tax) more you can get the next gpu up is a slippery slope. That's what got me up to the 7900xtx over my original plans lol!
don't understand, frame gen is off for both AMD and Nvidia right?
I get 40 fps in the city of Baldur's Gate in 4k...on my 6800XT. How is the performance so close from a card that should be roughly twice as powerful?
I'm curious where did you test them for the Dying Light 2 results. If it's the prologue of the game it's notoriously more demanding than everything else in the game but still as long as it's apples to apples comparison should be fine.
It is fine to compare, I guess.
The main point here is: the more RT workload you have - the more 4080 is in the lead, as it has less raster performance for that reason. Thats is why there are "RT" games where XTX takes the lead. It is just because those games literally have just a tiny bit of RT
Steve should have tested "High Quality RT" preset because of this. "Ray Tracing" preset is just Sun Shadows. There is also RT Global Illumination (which is just as demanding as the other half), RT Ambient Occlusion and RT Reflections(no water surfaces) which would show more about these cards.
Well, yes. Testing "RT" games is somewhat misleading because of how much different RT workload can be in terms of fps penalty and visual impact (literally from zero up to huge)
While VRAM is useful, it is the memory bus width advantage that will really give the XTX an advantage in the long term. 256 bit to 384 bit is a colossal difference, particularly at higher resolutions.
But as the newer games evolve, the memory bandwith will be a less important advantage, just like more VRAM because both cards will become only 1440p cards and even today in 1440p the 256 bit vs. 384 bit at this resolution doesn't really do much.
How’s that working out for the Radeon Vii?
By the time any of that should become relevant the cards are old and forgotten anyway… too slow for anybody to care.
Perhaps, the 4080 has a huge cache advantage though.
this not how it works, smooth brain
And Nvidia wanted to give us a "RTX 4080 12 GB" with even less performance for like 900 bucks or so... remember!
Here FSR is 2.1 or? When its FSR3, i think they will be same fast
Whats the best 1080p im looking for gpu for 1080p.
6700xt/6750xt are great 1080p cards, and the 7600/6650xt/6600xt are good 1080p cards
Since, in my opinion, the only game where RT is actually worth it is CP2077, an even then mostly just for Path Tracing where you really need a 4090 to run it, I'd still take the 7900 XTX for the better rasterization, cheaper price and nicer driver software suite in terms of usability. Still gonna be a bit before we have a GPU aside from the 4090 that can really do RT well, and we need more games than just CP2077 where it makes a big visual difference.
Control is another good example for RT.
I would rather take my 4070ti and play with path tracing. As I am.
But you know, there are render resolutions, not just 4K.
And both 4080 and 4070Ti are fine with path tracing, just not at 4K
The 4080 can do RT just fine and way better than the 7900xtx. It’s also just as good in raster lol
Lumen looks better than RT in CP2077 and doesn't completely destroy your framerate. Lumen is the future.
i was surprised how good the 7900xtx was, even at RT.
What I realized, when the 7900 XTX has a way higher base frame rate, those are the only scenarios where the Ray Tracing is good, or low resolution Ray Tracing like in Far Cry 6. I think in real heavy RT, like in Ratchet and Clank, the 7900 XTX Ray Accelerators just sweat blood. RDNA 3 is not the greatest still in Ray Tracing but definetely improved from previous generation.
Nothing surprising at all if you actually consider that it’s that close because he included quite a few AMD sponsored games all with garbage tier RT… I mean come on, can you notice RT in RE4? What about far cry 6 lol
When games with actual decent RT at more than quarter res are included the 7900xtx goes back to reality… these AMD sponsored trash RT games are propping up the AMD number here. They wouldn’t dare add in stupid heavy RT games like portal or Minecraft because AMD cards would be in single digits and it would be considered unfair.
@@jinx20001 Nvidia is clearly better at RT, no one is denying that.. but outside of cyberpunk, the rest is pretty much a demo of what can be done on an old game... and nobody cares...
There is RT and RT. Some games favor light RayTracing where it has some benefits against mild performance loss. But games with heavier RT and more stunning visuals favor the 4080 more. So I would call the latter more future proof as RT implementation is only going to get bigger.
@@Merinzify you might not care about certain games, some people do… the Callisto protocol was a huge flop, the director of the game even left the company, decided to stop making games entirely… should we just say nobody cares about that game? How many people are still playing far cry 6?
More to the point who is playing those games to get the ray tracing experience?
Minecraft is one of the most popular games on the planet regardless of what you think of it and RT completely rewrites the game and how you play it, it’s an actual mind bending experience. To say it’s old and nobody cares but your ok with far cry 6 and Fortnite being tested just tells everything.
Thanks , but what about professional work , like unreal engine 5 and blender , is 7900xtx worth to get over 4080?
Great as always, just woulda likes the efficiency of the cards showen aswell
I think it would be interesting to research what's the difference between the "AMD holds its own" and "AMD gets steamrolled" ray tracing titles.
Are the former just using less effects/less advanced effects or is it the way they use the APIs that changes?
So it looks like even taking modern feature sets into consideration these cards have pretty much achieved parity at their current price point. I have a question, although you may have answered it elsewhere... looking at the 3 games that were a complete blowout by Nvidia with RT on, were those titles designed specifically to take advantage of the RT cores? As games add RT options to their graphics settings do you see this RT performance disparity becoming more common?
Yep. RTX is designed to have a bit less raster capabilities, but much more RT power.
So the more RT workload you put into a game - the more 4080 takes the lead.
Those games where the XTX won literally use just a tiny bit of RT, nothing else
"were those titles designed specifically to take advantage of the RT cores?"
Of course they were. But the fact that nobody ever mentions this is why I'll never take these comparisons video's seriously. Everyone and their dog knows Cyberpunk is a Nvidia paid RT showcase. But it's never mentioned, and they always cover it with such surprise in the vids. It's pathetic.
@@HxR-eSports Okay, dud. Give us an example of a path-traced game made for Amd, so we can stop being pathetic with those Cyberpunk tests
@@HxR-eSports🤦 AMDs RT accelerators are pretty close when only a single RT effect is in play. When you start adding multiples that's when perf starts to fall off a cliff and the latency in the GPU being able to get the frame out skyrockets. That was especially true with RDNA2 with RDNA3 it's still true but not as bad as it was. Cyberpunk is one of the few games that will use every RT feature and enhancement going hence why it cripples AMD GPUs the game is just a bit too much. I own GPUs with RDNA2, RDNA3 and Lovelace. I only run RT titles on the NVidia card not worth it on the other two and I have to say DLSS really does crap on FSR when compared 🤷. I'm interested to see if FSR3 has done anything for image quality on the AMD cards.
@@HxR-eSports I don't get what you're saying, so games SHOULDN'T use hardware acceleration when hardware is available? Because AMD doesn't have RT cores if any games use RT cores it's unfair in the benchmark?
I have same build as Steve, G.skill 6000 32gb cl30, 7800x3d and 7900xtx, the last of us runs 80fps on ultra. Why? Is it due to cracked version?
What about Baldurs Gate 3 with Vulkan instead of DirectX? Is Nvidia or AMD better at Vulkan API?
So.. I just bought 7900xtx. I am satisfied with the performance.. but wouldn’t mind it being cheaper 😂
But the price difference in EU between the 7900xtx and 4080 is 20%, so I think I made the right choice
Both are great cards, can't go wrong either way really
Your right in Europe it's bigger between the two my 7900XTX was 20% cheaper than the lowest 4080 and it came with a copy of Starfield so it was way better value.
@@obskyo yeah.. didn’t have time to delve into Starfield, but it’s already on my PC.
Seems to me like unless you play very heavily Nvidia-leaning RT titles (e.g. CP2077, Ratchet and Clank) the 7900 XTX is the obvious choice by a fairly comfortable margin, at least for gaming. The average RT discrepancy with upscaling was 11% even when factoring in those relative outliers, so with 50% more VRAM and 15-20% cheaper...
I’ve got a Ryzen 7 5800X and was planning on getting a 7800 XT but might get a 7900 XTX now. Want it for 4K 120Hz on my TV… Should be fine? Or will the XTX bottleneck the 5800X?
You'll be fine
Thanks. No FSR/DLSS averages at the end?
Yes
Yep, GPU benchmarking have become extremely complex in recent years with various upscaling techs that differ substantially in actual quality they offer despite using similar abbreviation, as in with DLSS/XeSS Quality vs FSR Quality offering comparable performance one to another, but image quality differs. Add to that RT performance that can vary drastically from game to game, in one AMD can be dramatically slower than competitors, but in another offer roughly similar level of performance or even ever so slightly higher. Now throw in FG/FM features for good measure and VRAM capacities and oh well... I'am pretty involved user/gamer, so i can find my way around it, but if as a reviewer your baseline is a clueless customer, then you have one hell of a job in front of you to try and convey as objective picture to a customer as possible.
I agree, it's much harder now to objectively convey the experience consumers will end up with because image quality is so hard to quantify. All upscalers have their pros and cons, but I think a lot of people would say DLSS and XeSS have a healthy edge, especially in motion (which is pretty important in gaming). There's so much to think about now. I remember reading a comment the other day where someone said they could increase frame rate from 30 to 60 with framegen and heard that the latency was negligible. I can't even blame people, there are just so many things to be aware of lol.