@@divin3-_-shotzz6217800X3D Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX V2 mobo and 32GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5 6000mhz, I would know I literally bought the bundle yesterday lol
@@ethoddai just cant decide on what gpu to pick.. i have a 5800x3d and im considering 7800xt/7900GRE/7900xt to go with it.. it's about the money in the end i guess.
I love this vid because its my exact scenario. I ended up snagging the micro center 7800x3d bundle with the black friday price and have been waiting for all the drops until i make up my mind gpu wise. At first was considering the 7600xt (as 16gb vram is a must for me) but with a brand new 1440p 165hz monitor i do want to get the most out of it. So i think the 7800xt is the way to go for me. I was looking at the 6800 but its over a 3 year old card at this point. I cant really justify spending over $500 on a card that will be close to obsolete in 4 to 5 years either.
Just saying, I've got an RX6800 and I got one new for $400. Cheapest I've seen was $380. Paired with a Ryzen 5600X. It does native 1440p ultra just fine IMO. I have a 75hz 1440p monitor and I use vsync, so I never make over 75fps to remove any screen tearing. A couple of examples of how well it plays: Palworld with everything maxed I haven't dropped below 75fps Starfield on Ultra does 70+fps. in areas with lots of enemies it might drop into 60s. In cities it'll drop into the 50s. And the worst location is loading in Akila City as you enter it through the tunnel bridge, drops into the mid to low 40s for a couple of seconds, then back up to 50. You could go with a 6800XT, the cheapest I've seen one of those new is $450. It's basically the exact same performance as the 7800XT. Otherwise, just Google, "Tom's GPU Hierarchy" for some help in deciding.
Idk what you mean by obsolete, in 4 years is the 6800 just going to stop working or drivers not going to be updated? Features are will still going to be brought to the 6000 like Afmf
then just go up to 7900xt and be done with it something in that range cause you will not be happy with the 7800xt which is still outperformed by the 6950xt which is also outperformed by the 7900xt why came down in price alot.
@@georgestweeterThe 7800 XT has newer architecture and comes with free games on AMD's website not to mention it performs about 15% faster than the 6800 XT so its definitely faster and better
True, especially that extra L3 cache is more valuable in the long term. Imagine if he wants to switch to team green, that workhorse cpu is still there cuz im sorry, amd gpus are terrible investments if we compare software gimmicks.
This is kinda dumb. The next gen mid range card is still not going to beat the 2 year old high end card. The 4060 Ti gets smoked by the 6800xt and it released in 2020.
I think the 3d is still worth getting first because the gpu can be upgraded later and the 3d cpu will be more future proof and help a lot with more than just gaming. Its already insane how much it can improve gaming fps in the way a gpu upgrade normally would
That doesn't make sense. Why build a pc that's bottlenecked right now so you can upgrade later? Pairing a better cpu and gpu right now will ensure that your pc will last a while before you need to upgrade it anyway. Later on down the road you might as well just buy the right parts too. Or wait until you can pair the cpu you want with a gpu that compliments it.
@@GAMMA_AF no it does, when u need to upgrade the cpu/gpu later, it'll get bottlenecked, while if u get x3d, for good 3 years it would run fine just fine with newer gpu
Three things The 4070 ti super may be a little better than the 7900 xt The first is good for CPU-intense games, the second is better for more GPU heavy ones Zach you need to do the thug shake
I'm pretty sure Radeon drivers have lower CPU overhead, so I'm not sure what you mean? Overall, it seems like 7900 XT is currently $50-75 cheaper and slightly better at raster. I wouldn't recommend 4070 Ti Super unless you really care about PT/heavy RT (light RT is generally about the same on 7900 XT) and DLSS.
Also, the builder forgot to mention what Gamer Game, preferring some, would just love to play Simulation or Sandbox game like Rimworld, for example, which is CPU intensive
@@felltrain115yes3 you only have to replace your gpu every 2 years if you plan to be 4K max settings in every game you play. Otherwise let’s say someone has a 7800x3d with a 4070 TI super or higher you’re good for the next 7 years and maybe more. It always depends on your current budget and if your a max res max settings kinda guy or not. But no, you don’t have to switch gpu every two years, this is Nvidia FOMO marketing brainwash right there.
Of course it's working well, no one is saying it isn't working well, the whole point here is if you want more fps, then go for the 7900xt and reduce the price of the cpu budget.
I'm running a 7600 CPU and a 6950 xt card (same brand you showed too) and it runs very nice. Getting good FPS (60+) in Starfield on max settings and has reached like 70 c on the high end of temps.
It highly depends on what game you play and at which resolution. If you play CPU heavy games or a lower resolution, then the CPU might be the bottleneck and if you play on a higher resolution or a game with a lower CPU usage, then the better GPU is more important. In my case for example a better CPU is more important since i like to play StarCitizen (a very CPU demanding game). Just look at the games you usually play and at your future upgrading wishes since upgrading a CPU might look cheaper at first but can be significantly more expencive since a new Motherboard and maybe even new RAM (depending on your Hardware) might has to be concidered.
Games: now you need more gpu Also people designing laptop: IT MUST BE THIN! and also because its so thin we have to use integrated gpu but thats totally ok because our stupid customers will buy it anyways
Or for me I just jumped the GPU up and got a 7900 XTX with the 7800x3d , took me about 6 months of saving 75% of my salary plus more to buy the entire computer plus setup but it will be worth it once I come home and can just play games until I faint
I went to Micro Center and got my 7800x3D for $197.12 with a motherboard combo deal the MSI B650 MAG Tomahawk WiFi for $199.99. Then I got the ASUS Radeon RX 7900 GRE for $599.99 and G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 32GB for $117.99. I got other stuff, but my combos worked for me and I got 24 months 0%. Love it!
I would totally agree with your assessment but in my case I use my computer for a lot more than just gaming. I'm putting together a system that can do a combination of everything. Ryzen 9 7800x3d and Radeon 7700XT. Perfect for Flight Sim and older games and everyday tasks I use. Don't care about ray tracing or upscaling too much. I actually like my graphics a little old school that leaves something to the imagination. Lol.
It also depends on the types of games. Like if he's looking to focus on esports titles but also play triple a games on the side, the first combo will perform better in Val, CS, League, etc.
Just buy a 13600k I have a 4070ti and get 0 bottleneck with my 13600 (if you’re thinking for future proof go amd cos the current intel platform is dead)
Nah that CPU is way overpowered for 4070 Get it only if you're a full time streamer/video editor or something with other programs running on a side For gaming u will be just fine with Ryzen 5 7500F (cheapest option that handles 4070 without bottleneck) Ryzen 7 7700 or 7700x can do all that i9 can do for a cheaper price
Depends on what resolution you play at. At 1080p CPU is most important at 1440p the GPU is most important basically having a faster CPU will not give you any big gains in 1440p. I got the 7800x3d and 7900xtx for 1440p.
It really depends on your workload If it's a CPU intensive workload (compiling, certain games) you should get the first one If it's a GPU intensive workload (most games) you should get the second one
It depends on the games you play. If you play val , csgo or anything cpu reliant, then you’re better off with a mid range gpu and the best available cpu. Maybe later on you could just get a better gpu in a few years
I's say it depends on the game the person is playing and also on the OS they're using cause sure the 7800 XT could do some 4K gaming in Windows but if the person is using something like ChimeraOS or Bazzite most of their games can be played at 4K without any issues and without using any upscales.
This is a good investment if you do a lot of emulation (mainly PS3/Xbox 360 which are cpu intensive to emulate) or if you're playing games that are abhorrently cpu bound like Star Citizen. It's an edge case and honestly I'd prioritize the GPU first, but it all depends on your personal needs really. and that video card certainly isn't bad, if you have issues with it you could drop to 1080p and still get a good experience
Depends on what games you play . If you play well optimised games like cod,apex,fortnite then 3d vcache will be useless But if you play games such as squad, tarkov , star citizen or any early access game that does not run well optimised then 3d vcache will perform much better than a 7900xt over a 7800xt This is my personal experience with 3d vcache vs non 3d vcache
I have that combo planning on upgrading my gpu when the next gen comes out but its a absolute beast i get 200 fps 1440p ultra settings in most games some games way more
Agreed boss! But for ex. if you wanna play Escape from Tarkov in 1080 or 1440 at HIGH u need more the 7800x3D than the 7800XT. I wanna buy this combo for EFT compatibility, that’s why I think in this situation is better from the 7600 and 7900xt😅 What do u think about it???
Paired the 7800x3d with a 7900GRE and it’s awesome. Thought about the 7900xt but wasnt worth the extra $200 for me. Got the x3d as part of a bundle that made it way cheaper than it should have been.
Agree, im in the same boat. Tho in my case, as I play mostly flightsim and racingsims, which befit a lot from extra 3D cache, i’ll prob settle for a slightly lesser gpu. These game just live and die on good CPU’s. 😊
In your own words, it depends what you want to play. Any competitive esports games on dx11 will run over 360 fps with a 5700x3d and a 1660. I wouldn’t spend money on a new GPU if you playing 1080p and have at least a 3060. Check your task manager, if your GPU isn’t maxing out when you uncap your FPS, your CPU bottlenecked. Upgrade your CPU. For sure upgrade your CPU if you are on AM4. For $180 the 5700x3d would be a massive upgrade from any am4 chip that’s not x3d. It’s a very tame chip too, I have a 20$ cooler master cup cooler and it keeps it under 80c full load.
Best short yet. Bottlenecking is an issue to an extent but by using a mid card you are bottlenecking yourself on purpose. I still use a 7600x with a 6950xt and it will carry me over the AM5 chipset just fine but if I absolutely wanted to waste money upgrading my card I could while still using the 7600x
I went with a slightly better gpu (4070 super) with the 7800x3d. I like this combo a lot but I'm sure a 7600X would be just as nice. The x3d was only $100 more at the time so why not haha.
I’m looking to build my first PC. I have had PCs before and I’ve built a friend’s PC for him, but never one for myself. I’m shooting for the stars and hoping I’m able to secure a $2500 ish budget (maybe a little more) and I was wondering if a 7800X3D and 4080 Super is a good combo
We have no idea how the 4080 super will perform as it is not out yet, but the 7900XTX will most likely beat it, the 4080 also only has 16Gbs of vram, which based on the recent UE5 specs, will be a huge limitation soon in the future on a card that high-end.
@@Frashsibit Thank you for that, but I play mostly Fortnite so I would love DLSS, and I will start streaming soon, so I was only really considering Nvidia. They also have many features that I would like to try out. I may look for AMD in the future, but Nvidia is the only brand I have worked with in the past, and my current build has an Nvidia card, so I would like my first build to have one as well.
I have 7800x3d and RX7900xt myself. 7800x3d will last longer then the 6 core 7600x. And the value for 7800x3d will be better for longer time. People would more look for 7800x3d when selling it. 7600x wont get ask for second hand over 2-3 years. But if you on a budget, then 7600x isnt bad either.
I went with the 7800xt and the r7 7700x, partly down to sales at the time but also the upgrade path is very simple, only need to do one or two parts over the next few years when i can warrant new parts
I have exactly this combo and I love it. I can play every game in 1440p easily and can’t complain. I am getting Max Performance out of my GPU ( Experience shows that ) and Bottleneck Calculator says there is a 0.003% Bottleneck. I am running a DDR5 6000 MHz and CL30 RAM kit and it works perfectly fine. Great video and great arguments though. I just wanted to tell my experience with the Ryzen 7 7800x3d and RX 7800 XT combo. 😊
Me who plays arma. The one of the few that actually relies on a good CPU to run smoothly as graphics isn't necessarily the most intense part of the game. A 14900ks and 4090 struggles at hitting above 120fps at 4k highest settings. I don't think I've ever seen anyone achieve higher than 200fps at any reasonable resolution
Nothing wrong with the combo, I'd go with the 7800X3D with that budget, so you know there is always an easy future upgrade with the GPU possible. But I'd advise to spend just a little more and go with a 7900 GRE
I actually saw someone the other day breaking down how GPU utilization in a lot of new games being only utilized at about 75-85% and the cpu is doing a lot of work nowadays. Don’t skimp on the CPU for gaming, if you can grab the highest tier option, get it.
Got the 7800x3d and the 7800xt and have no regrets. I can wait 2 years and then upgrade to an amazing gpu. Then in 5-6 years when my cpu is outdated I’ll upgrade it. My only regret is I didn’t upgrade sooner than 6+ years ago. 😂
I chose the 7800X3D and a 7800 XT as a stand in (and test to see how I like AMD’s software for the first time, spoiler alert I’m never going back) before I pick a high end card. Once the 4080 Super launches this week, I’ll be watching those 7900 XTX prices 👀
Just get the best you think you should afford and if its a little above the current budget add some more money never go below or you'll be pissed at yourself for saving a few dollars for drinks and losing out or being forced to upgrade sooner.
Which cpu should I pair with RTX 4060 for a $800 - $850. Actually I want that extra Ray tracing and dlss features, for tat reason only 4060 is my choice.
I run the 7800xt and 3D and it's amazing. I honestly don't understand how much more fps yall need when ur alrdy getting literal hundreds and most of yall got 144hz 1080p/1440p monitors still at best. Only big ballers are rocking quality 165 or 240hz so that extra fps is mostly wasted in most titles where high high fps matters
165hz isn’t big baller for 1440p. But I do agree I cap my fps at 120 when playing story driven single player games and multiplayer games mostly never go under 140 fps anyways
@ChopPvP when monitors start becoming more expensive than a gpu to power it, it's big baller. Those monitors at 165 and 240hz 1440p start at like 350 cheap, and can easily spend 1k
Or just do the first option, and you can upgrade GPU for the next decade without worry your cpu will fall behind… and that combo currently is about as good as you can get without diminishing return on investment. Truthfully from there all you need to do or could do realistically is go to a 7900xtx and even then the cost to performance jump isn’t there. 20-30% performance(40% in some games) with double the cost.
I personally went for the 7700x and the 7900xtx as I was prioritizing the gpu (most pricey part) so I could at a later moment outright purchase a 7800X3D later on.
So im wanting to upgrade my cpu but i dont know if it would change much. My cpu is an Amd ryzen 5 5600g and my gpu is a rtx geforce nvidia 4060 and i think my power supply is like 600v
In bottleneck calculator it shows that 7800x3d+7800xt is a perfect match with zero bottleneck for gaming but the 7600x+7900xt has a 8% cpu bottleneck in gpu heavy tasks. It seems to me that the first combo is a better choice, also because in few years I might want to upgrade the 7800xt and so it makes sense to me to choose the best possible CPU at the moment.
cpu can be upgradable to. Over 1-3 years you can get more performance out of it, then choose for the 7800x3d. Doesnt make sense to go for the 7800x3d actually. Still options are open like Zen5 or Zen 6.. Zen 4 isnt a really big difference over Zen 3.
Zach is right, but for some people if this was a starting PC build than it may be good. This is because the GPU is much easier to upgrade and install then a new cpu later down the line
I am going to build my first Performance PC. I want as much info before I do, so.... It will be used for games mostly 1080 maybe 4k. BUT IT'S MAIN USE WILL BE A BUSINESS PC THAT STAYS ON AND BEING USED FROM 8AM TO 7PM. THE ONLY THING IT WOULD BE RUNNING IS ADOBE CREATIVE CLOUD. 20%PHOTOSHOP, 30% ILLUSTRATOR, 50% INDESIGN. ALSO DREAMWEAVER TIME TO TIME. FOR THIS PROJECT (I WILL BE GOING WITH A GEN 5 MOTHERBOARD FOR THE LATEST UPGRADES IF NEEDED. I NEED HELP ON DECIDING A AMD or NVIDIA. The CPU will probably be a 13 or 14th gen 14900k. I know it's more than enough, but money wise. For Adobe Apps is AMD GPU or NVIDIA better. I don't plan on messing with the bios or Dlss. And if you recommend a better or equit CPU what will that be. I GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY ASSISTANCE.
Can i know the game you show playing is what game is that?and the combo you make you what brand of motherboard and what brand for the GPU you will recommend? I never ever use an and I would like to buy a new pc so is this the recommendation if I would like to build a gaming pc?
If you are going for the 7800x3d, you should be going for a high end 4k GPU. The benefits of the CPU are lost without the real high end GPU. Like 7900xtx or 4080/4090.
depends at which resolution he is gonna play too. Probably for 1080p competitive his combo is better but for 1440p ''normal'' then your combo is better
I got a 7800x3d and 4070ti super combo. But I bough better cpu to have better future proofing. As I would like to update only GPUs for next years to come. Next upgrade is in january for 5080 and then time will tell after :)
@@michubern1444 I wanted get replacement for 10 y.o. pc after 5080 came out. But old PC starting got some HW issues. So I stopped playing games and my best friend told me I do not need to wait for 5080 I can buy new pc now and he will take my 4070ti later once I got replacement :) . I will give him some good deal for 4070 and I will have a good gpu for couple of years :)
I don't agree, with a good cpu you can atleast drop the graphics, unless I wanna do 4k I'm going 7800x3d and 7800xt.especially since the high end gpu will be obsolete (for the price) in due time. And unless they make a big breakthrough the cpu is gonna last for a long time.
I think a better combo would be you and Carter doing the thug shaker.
thug shaker pls 🏴☠️
Yes we need thug shaker very soon
this thug shaker thing is like a virus, it spreads to other tech youtubers
@@atsizbalik thugshake 19
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All gamers that live near a Micro Center (including myself) should be eternally grateful for the bundle deals! 🤤
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grabbed the 7800x3d bundle for $500 it’s unreal value
@@omletgod2488what was it
@@divin3-_-shotzz6217800X3D Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX V2 mobo and 32GB G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5 6000mhz, I would know I literally bought the bundle yesterday lol
R5 7600 with Rx 7800 xt is all 99% of people need
You can go with 4070 super if you prefer nvidia
@@darthrzezuha2761 Video editors need Nvidia apparently so thats a good option too
@@keylime6video editors don’t need nvidia its just nvidia has nvenc and is alot better to record on you can do it all on the 7800 XT fine
Rocking this combo and it goes hard
@@ethoddai just cant decide on what gpu to pick.. i have a 5800x3d and im considering 7800xt/7900GRE/7900xt to go with it.. it's about the money in the end i guess.
I love this vid because its my exact scenario. I ended up snagging the micro center 7800x3d bundle with the black friday price and have been waiting for all the drops until i make up my mind gpu wise. At first was considering the 7600xt (as 16gb vram is a must for me) but with a brand new 1440p 165hz monitor i do want to get the most out of it. So i think the 7800xt is the way to go for me. I was looking at the 6800 but its over a 3 year old card at this point. I cant really justify spending over $500 on a card that will be close to obsolete in 4 to 5 years either.
Just saying, I've got an RX6800 and I got one new for $400. Cheapest I've seen was $380. Paired with a Ryzen 5600X.
It does native 1440p ultra just fine IMO. I have a 75hz 1440p monitor and I use vsync, so I never make over 75fps to remove any screen tearing. A couple of examples of how well it plays:
Palworld with everything maxed I haven't dropped below 75fps
Starfield on Ultra does 70+fps. in areas with lots of enemies it might drop into 60s. In cities it'll drop into the 50s. And the worst location is loading in Akila City as you enter it through the tunnel bridge, drops into the mid to low 40s for a couple of seconds, then back up to 50.
You could go with a 6800XT, the cheapest I've seen one of those new is $450. It's basically the exact same performance as the 7800XT.
Otherwise, just Google, "Tom's GPU Hierarchy" for some help in deciding.
Idk what you mean by obsolete, in 4 years is the 6800 just going to stop working or drivers not going to be updated? Features are will still going to be brought to the 6000 like Afmf
then just go up to 7900xt and be done with it something in that range cause you will not be happy with the 7800xt which is still outperformed by the 6950xt which is also outperformed by the 7900xt why came down in price alot.
im living my best life with a 7800xt running games in ultra / High in 1440p no complains here ( i only have a r5 5600)
@@georgestweeterThe 7800 XT has newer architecture and comes with free games on AMD's website not to mention it performs about 15% faster than the 6800 XT so its definitely faster and better
if you buy the best cpu, you can keep it for 5-6 years and just get a new midrange gfx card every generation (2years)
4 years*
@@bigjalapeno5347u talking about the cpu or gpu?
Well if u buy best cpu, you limited for 1440p gpu. Since its amd5 1st gen, just buy mid cpu then upgrade mid cpu later
True, especially that extra L3 cache is more valuable in the long term. Imagine if he wants to switch to team green, that workhorse cpu is still there cuz im sorry, amd gpus are terrible investments if we compare software gimmicks.
This is kinda dumb. The next gen mid range card is still not going to beat the 2 year old high end card. The 4060 Ti gets smoked by the 6800xt and it released in 2020.
I think the 3d is still worth getting first because the gpu can be upgraded later and the 3d cpu will be more future proof and help a lot with more than just gaming. Its already insane how much it can improve gaming fps in the way a gpu upgrade normally would
yea it would be fine until 5 or so year
why need an update if other option can be good now
That doesn't make sense. Why build a pc that's bottlenecked right now so you can upgrade later? Pairing a better cpu and gpu right now will ensure that your pc will last a while before you need to upgrade it anyway. Later on down the road you might as well just buy the right parts too. Or wait until you can pair the cpu you want with a gpu that compliments it.
@@GAMMA_AF no it does, when u need to upgrade the cpu/gpu later, it'll get bottlenecked, while if u get x3d, for good 3 years it would run fine just fine with newer gpu
Not true, cpu can still be upgradable for Zen 5 and Zen 6.
It doesnt really matter of you have the 7600x right now and replace it later.
The 7800xt and 7800x3d is the exact combo I bought to play valorant, overwatch and rust, all CPU heavy games.
yes same here as I play Fortnite on performance mode
@@double16 What fps can you get on performance mode on 1920x1080?
@@radomirdanic6518 I guarantee it's far higher than your monitors refresh rate can keep up with anyway.
@@radomirdanic6518 350-500 ingame
Definitely needed that for competitive games where graphics dont matter 😂
Three things
The 4070 ti super may be a little better than the 7900 xt
The first is good for CPU-intense games, the second is better for more GPU heavy ones
Zach you need to do the thug shake
I'm pretty sure Radeon drivers have lower CPU overhead, so I'm not sure what you mean? Overall, it seems like 7900 XT is currently $50-75 cheaper and slightly better at raster. I wouldn't recommend 4070 Ti Super unless you really care about PT/heavy RT (light RT is generally about the same on 7900 XT) and DLSS.
@@1nfuriousI mean the 4070 ti has better rt performence and dlss is pretty good
@@1nfurious ur right afmf is better
Also, the builder forgot to mention what Gamer Game, preferring some, would just love to play Simulation or Sandbox game like Rimworld, for example, which is CPU intensive
@@1nfuriousafmf is kinda bad ngl, only has better frame rates than Nvidia when not moving
That was exactly my thought when I was researching. I ended up finding the 7900xt and 7700x both on sale. Saved a little money to get that better gpu.
Like your choice
I’m sort of disappointed there wasn’t a “There is another” Yoda meme included in this short. 😢
I have 5800x3d with 7800xt.
Great upgrade combo
Get the 7800x3d, you wont have to sell or replace your cpu like ever and you can upgrade to any gpu
Exactly what I was thinking
Why not have the good thing now rather than investing for future? There's always next better thing coming anyway
Gpu will be replaced every 2 years or so while that cpu will last you for at least 4 years
@@felltrain115yes3 you only have to replace your gpu every 2 years if you plan to be 4K max settings in every game you play. Otherwise let’s say someone has a 7800x3d with a 4070 TI super or higher you’re good for the next 7 years and maybe more. It always depends on your current budget and if your a max res max settings kinda guy or not. But no, you don’t have to switch gpu every two years, this is Nvidia FOMO marketing brainwash right there.
CPU is harder to replace in the long run compared to upgrading gpus@@Diversified_amogus
i have a 7600 and a 7800xt since this is my first pc and they perform really well together :D
That’s the sweet spot. Great choice!
The cheapest 7900 xt in my country is $1000 😢 and it is very hard to find a used 7900 xt here. 7900 xtx is like $1200. Rtx 4080 is like $1400-$1500
The struggle is real brother 🇵🇰
Yep, people fret too much about "bottlenecks" when they should worry about trying to get the most bang for their buck.
It's also easier to upgrade a GPU and resell it than to upgrade a CPU, when I built I built with the future in mind
I remember when 80 class cards were considered enthusiast grade and the 60 class cards were the mid range cards
I’m in this exact situation and I think it’s a perfect combo, at least in my opinion
I have 7800xt and r7 7800x3d combo and its been working great for me
Of course it's working well, no one is saying it isn't working well, the whole point here is if you want more fps, then go for the 7900xt and reduce the price of the cpu budget.
Same combo here to. I’m very happy
Same here
What about lows?@@GiyuTomiokaTheOneAndOnly
Oof that's a relief, I thought I fucked up lol, I bought this exact combo...
I'm running a 7600 CPU and a 6950 xt card (same brand you showed too) and it runs very nice. Getting good FPS (60+) in Starfield on max settings and has reached like 70 c on the high end of temps.
What about Ryzen 7 7800X3D with a GT 710 🥶🥶🥶
Phenomenal combination
Nvidia profile inspector and MSI afterburner to the rescue!
What abt 7 7800x 3d with a Gt 210
@@Mr_Death.-. Case where integrated graphics are better than an actual gpu
Nah, the 7800x3d will bottleneck. GT 710 won't be going above 1% usage given the beast it is
It highly depends on what game you play and at which resolution. If you play CPU heavy games or a lower resolution, then the CPU might be the bottleneck and if you play on a higher resolution or a game with a lower CPU usage, then the better GPU is more important. In my case for example a better CPU is more important since i like to play StarCitizen (a very CPU demanding game). Just look at the games you usually play and at your future upgrading wishes since upgrading a CPU might look cheaper at first but can be significantly more expencive since a new Motherboard and maybe even new RAM (depending on your Hardware) might has to be concidered.
Games: now you need more gpu
Also people designing laptop: IT MUST BE THIN! and also because its so thin we have to use integrated gpu but thats totally ok because our stupid customers will buy it anyways
Or for me I just jumped the GPU up and got a 7900 XTX with the 7800x3d , took me about 6 months of saving 75% of my salary plus more to buy the entire computer plus setup but it will be worth it once I come home and can just play games until I faint
What monitor would you recommend that is 1440p, 144hz for around $150 - $250?
Specifically for playing mid end games and video editing
I got the Acer Nitro 31.5' 1440p 165hz for $170 at Costco with holiday savings. I think it's about $200 right now.
Well this isn’t 144hz but rather 165, however I would reccomend the Acer Nitro XZ2
dell s3422dwg, 21:9 1440p and 144hz, they are often on discount got mine for around 400$ canadian
I went to Micro Center and got my 7800x3D for $197.12 with a motherboard combo deal the MSI B650 MAG Tomahawk WiFi for $199.99.
Then I got the ASUS Radeon RX 7900 GRE for $599.99 and G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 32GB for $117.99.
I got other stuff, but my combos worked for me and I got 24 months 0%. Love it!
i5 14500 + rtx 3070ti it's good pc combo
Get 13500 or 13600
3070ti is trash
@@gintozlato1880completely fine for 1440p
I don’t think so
@@jerdojo452414500 is better
I would totally agree with your assessment but in my case I use my computer for a lot more than just gaming. I'm putting together a system that can do a combination of everything. Ryzen 9 7800x3d and Radeon 7700XT. Perfect for Flight Sim and older games and everyday tasks I use. Don't care about ray tracing or upscaling too much. I actually like my graphics a little old school that leaves something to the imagination. Lol.
amd ryzen 5 3600 and GTX 550 😎
Bro got the most overpriced set up
I wouldn't be surprised if you were Indian.
@@berteabdel7722 I'm not
Actually no... You would be making bank from the call center if that were the case.
@@berteabdel7722White 🗑 spotted!!!
It also depends on the types of games. Like if he's looking to focus on esports titles but also play triple a games on the side, the first combo will perform better in Val, CS, League, etc.
my friend just paired a i5 11th gen with a gtx 1050 ti 🤦♂️
You failed to tell him
@@E_Everything he didnt tell me hes getting a pc 💀
@@upscroll_1 ok
Probably bought one of these ebay "8k" machines
@@nicklasdincer6720 nah bro it was from some kid of chinese website ??? idkk
Initial combo can help with futureproofing
By eventually selling the GPU and getting a better one to increase CPU usage
What do you think about the combo i9 13900k + rtx 4070 super
Just buy a 13600k I have a 4070ti and get 0 bottleneck with my 13600 (if you’re thinking for future proof go amd cos the current intel platform is dead)
Maybe a better GPU no need for a 13900
Nah that CPU is way overpowered for 4070
Get it only if you're a full time streamer/video editor or something with other programs running on a side
For gaming u will be just fine with Ryzen 5 7500F (cheapest option that handles 4070 without bottleneck)
Ryzen 7 7700 or 7700x can do all that i9 can do for a cheaper price
13600k or 13700k better value
Depends on what resolution you play at. At 1080p CPU is most important at 1440p the GPU is most important basically having a faster CPU will not give you any big gains in 1440p. I got the 7800x3d and 7900xtx for 1440p.
It really depends on your workload
If it's a CPU intensive workload (compiling, certain games) you should get the first one
If it's a GPU intensive workload (most games) you should get the second one
I did that exact combo, it’s incredible!
It depends on the games you play. If you play val , csgo or anything cpu reliant, then you’re better off with a mid range gpu and the best available cpu. Maybe later on you could just get a better gpu in a few years
I's say it depends on the game the person is playing and also on the OS they're using cause sure the 7800 XT could do some 4K gaming in Windows but if the person is using something like ChimeraOS or Bazzite most of their games can be played at 4K without any issues and without using any upscales.
This is a good investment if you do a lot of emulation (mainly PS3/Xbox 360 which are cpu intensive to emulate) or if you're playing games that are abhorrently cpu bound like Star Citizen. It's an edge case and honestly I'd prioritize the GPU first, but it all depends on your personal needs really. and that video card certainly isn't bad, if you have issues with it you could drop to 1080p and still get a good experience
Depends on what games you play . If you play well optimised games like cod,apex,fortnite then 3d vcache will be useless
But if you play games such as squad, tarkov , star citizen or any early access game that does not run well optimised then 3d vcache will perform much better than a 7900xt over a 7800xt
This is my personal experience with 3d vcache vs non 3d vcache
I have that combo planning on upgrading my gpu when the next gen comes out but its a absolute beast i get 200 fps 1440p ultra settings in most games some games way more
Ideal ratio at this moment is this: 1:3 cost of cpu/gpu and that will work perfectly well
Agreed boss! But for ex. if you wanna play Escape from Tarkov in 1080 or 1440 at HIGH u need more the 7800x3D than the 7800XT. I wanna buy this combo for EFT compatibility, that’s why I think in this situation is better from the 7600 and 7900xt😅 What do u think about it???
Paired the 7800x3d with a 7900GRE and it’s awesome. Thought about the 7900xt but wasnt worth the extra $200 for me. Got the x3d as part of a bundle that made it way cheaper than it should have been.
Agree, im in the same boat. Tho in my case, as I play mostly flightsim and racingsims, which befit a lot from extra 3D cache, i’ll prob settle for a slightly lesser gpu. These game just live and die on good CPU’s. 😊
I just bought the 7800X3D switched from intel to AMD can’t wait to try it out my I9 didn’t want to live past 5 months of light use
In your own words, it depends what you want to play. Any competitive esports games on dx11 will run over 360 fps with a 5700x3d and a 1660. I wouldn’t spend money on a new GPU if you playing 1080p and have at least a 3060. Check your task manager, if your GPU isn’t maxing out when you uncap your FPS, your CPU bottlenecked. Upgrade your CPU. For sure upgrade your CPU if you are on AM4. For $180 the 5700x3d would be a massive upgrade from any am4 chip that’s not x3d. It’s a very tame chip too, I have a 20$ cooler master cup cooler and it keeps it under 80c full load.
Best short yet. Bottlenecking is an issue to an extent but by using a mid card you are bottlenecking yourself on purpose. I still use a 7600x with a 6950xt and it will carry me over the AM5 chipset just fine but if I absolutely wanted to waste money upgrading my card I could while still using the 7600x
I went with a slightly better gpu (4070 super) with the 7800x3d. I like this combo a lot but I'm sure a 7600X would be just as nice. The x3d was only $100 more at the time so why not haha.
I’m looking to build my first PC. I have had PCs before and I’ve built a friend’s PC for him, but never one for myself. I’m shooting for the stars and hoping I’m able to secure a $2500 ish budget (maybe a little more) and I was wondering if a 7800X3D and 4080 Super is a good combo
We have no idea how the 4080 super will perform as it is not out yet, but the 7900XTX will most likely beat it, the 4080 also only has 16Gbs of vram, which based on the recent UE5 specs, will be a huge limitation soon in the future on a card that high-end.
@@Frashsibit Thank you for that, but I play mostly Fortnite so I would love DLSS, and I will start streaming soon, so I was only really considering Nvidia. They also have many features that I would like to try out. I may look for AMD in the future, but Nvidia is the only brand I have worked with in the past, and my current build has an Nvidia card, so I would like my first build to have one as well.
I have 7800x3d and RX7900xt myself.
7800x3d will last longer then the 6 core 7600x.
And the value for 7800x3d will be better for longer time.
People would more look for 7800x3d when selling it.
7600x wont get ask for second hand over 2-3 years.
But if you on a budget, then 7600x isnt bad either.
I went with the 7800xt and the r7 7700x, partly down to sales at the time but also the upgrade path is very simple, only need to do one or two parts over the next few years when i can warrant new parts
I have exactly this combo and I love it. I can play every game in 1440p easily and can’t complain. I am getting Max Performance out of my GPU ( Experience shows that ) and Bottleneck Calculator says there is a 0.003% Bottleneck. I am running a DDR5 6000 MHz and CL30 RAM kit and it works perfectly fine. Great video and great arguments though. I just wanted to tell my experience with the Ryzen 7 7800x3d and RX 7800 XT combo. 😊
I have that combo. im waiting for the 50 series to drop, then i can get a 40 series cheaper
Me who plays arma. The one of the few that actually relies on a good CPU to run smoothly as graphics isn't necessarily the most intense part of the game. A 14900ks and 4090 struggles at hitting above 120fps at 4k highest settings. I don't think I've ever seen anyone achieve higher than 200fps at any reasonable resolution
I got my 7800x3d for $363 and my 7900 xtx gigabyte for $815 all new. Love it❤
Nothing wrong with the combo, I'd go with the 7800X3D with that budget, so you know there is always an easy future upgrade with the GPU possible.
But I'd advise to spend just a little more and go with a 7900 GRE
Bro we gonna start seeing our games in slow mo if these fps get any higher 😂
I actually saw someone the other day breaking down how GPU utilization in a lot of new games being only utilized at about 75-85% and the cpu is doing a lot of work nowadays. Don’t skimp on the CPU for gaming, if you can grab the highest tier option, get it.
Got the 7800x3d and the 7800xt and have no regrets. I can wait 2 years and then upgrade to an amazing gpu. Then in 5-6 years when my cpu is outdated I’ll upgrade it. My only regret is I didn’t upgrade sooner than 6+ years ago. 😂
Well here the thing. You will essentially never need to replace that CPU for gbe next few generations if you go with the 7800x3d
I chose the 7800X3D and a 7800 XT as a stand in (and test to see how I like AMD’s software for the first time, spoiler alert I’m never going back) before I pick a high end card. Once the 4080 Super launches this week, I’ll be watching those 7900 XTX prices 👀
Just get the best you think you should afford and if its a little above the current budget add some more money never go below or you'll be pissed at yourself for saving a few dollars for drinks and losing out or being forced to upgrade sooner.
I'm selecting parts for my first PC, I'm going with a 7 7800 X3D and a 7900 XTX
I7 1st gen mobile type and a 4090 is a juicy combo very hot too
Which cpu should I pair with RTX 4060 for a $800 - $850. Actually I want that extra Ray tracing and dlss features, for tat reason only 4060 is my choice.
Is 12400f + 4060 not a better combo
I reccomend i5-13600K with used RTX 3080 or a RTX 4070
I had exactly this combo planned 💀 i guess i gotta pay more for the 7900xt, cause i want the x3d
I run the 7800xt and 3D and it's amazing. I honestly don't understand how much more fps yall need when ur alrdy getting literal hundreds and most of yall got 144hz 1080p/1440p monitors still at best. Only big ballers are rocking quality 165 or 240hz so that extra fps is mostly wasted in most titles where high high fps matters
165hz isn’t big baller for 1440p. But I do agree I cap my fps at 120 when playing story driven single player games and multiplayer games mostly never go under 140 fps anyways
@ChopPvP when monitors start becoming more expensive than a gpu to power it, it's big baller. Those monitors at 165 and 240hz 1440p start at like 350 cheap, and can easily spend 1k
Or just do the first option, and you can upgrade GPU for the next decade without worry your cpu will fall behind… and that combo currently is about as good as you can get without diminishing return on investment. Truthfully from there all you need to do or could do realistically is go to a 7900xtx and even then the cost to performance jump isn’t there. 20-30% performance(40% in some games) with double the cost.
can you make the best 1000-1100$ build with an RTX GPU? (aesthetics not important, preferrebly all black)
I personally went for the 7700x and the 7900xtx as I was prioritizing the gpu (most pricey part) so I could at a later moment outright purchase a 7800X3D later on.
i’m currently using 7800xt and 7800x3d since i play cpu intensive games it makes more sense.
please do the thug shake with carter
To all who don’t wanna watch the full video
It says
Get a 7600x and 7900XT instead you get way better performance
So im wanting to upgrade my cpu but i dont know if it would change much. My cpu is an Amd ryzen 5 5600g and my gpu is a rtx geforce nvidia 4060 and i think my power supply is like 600v
Still waiting ZTT Day 25 For 400-450 dollars suggest a pc setup or a laptop at that price for 1080p gaming which do u think is better
You should do another $1000 builds with the new components that have come out
I feel like 7700 and 7900 GRE or 7900XT sounds like a better combo for $1500 system IMO
seeing this short made me really content with my build choices since i'm building w/ a 7800 x3d and a 7900 xt
I just bought the swft319 radeon rx 6800 and the 7800x3D to start my first build😮
In bottleneck calculator it shows that 7800x3d+7800xt is a perfect match with zero bottleneck for gaming but the 7600x+7900xt has a 8% cpu bottleneck in gpu heavy tasks. It seems to me that the first combo is a better choice, also because in few years I might want to upgrade the 7800xt and so it makes sense to me to choose the best possible CPU at the moment.
Bottleneck calculators are notoriously inaccurate and are quite frankly shit.
cpu can be upgradable to. Over 1-3 years you can get more performance out of it, then choose for the 7800x3d.
Doesnt make sense to go for the 7800x3d actually.
Still options are open like Zen5 or Zen 6..
Zen 4 isnt a really big difference over Zen 3.
I would love to see you and Carter do the thug shake with all that fps
His combo is more future proof tho imo
Zach is right, but for some people if this was a starting PC build than it may be good. This is because the GPU is much easier to upgrade and install then a new cpu later down the line
Day 1: what level gpu / cpu do you need to reach parity of frame rate and quality of Ps5? Is it cheaper to get console or equivalent PC?
I am going to build my first Performance PC. I want as much info before I do, so.... It will be used for games mostly 1080 maybe 4k.
BUT IT'S MAIN USE WILL BE A BUSINESS PC THAT STAYS ON AND BEING USED FROM 8AM TO 7PM. THE ONLY THING IT WOULD BE RUNNING IS ADOBE CREATIVE CLOUD. 20%PHOTOSHOP, 30% ILLUSTRATOR, 50% INDESIGN. ALSO DREAMWEAVER TIME TO TIME.
FOR THIS PROJECT (I WILL BE GOING WITH A GEN 5 MOTHERBOARD FOR THE LATEST UPGRADES IF NEEDED. I NEED HELP ON DECIDING A AMD or NVIDIA. The CPU will probably be a 13 or 14th gen 14900k. I know it's more than enough, but money wise. For Adobe Apps is AMD GPU or NVIDIA better. I don't plan on messing with the bios or Dlss. And if you recommend a better or equit CPU what will that be. I GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY ASSISTANCE.
@@1nfurious thank you for taking time to answer my question. Thank you for the advice.
shoud i start AM5 with the upcomming ryzen 5 8500G or ryzen 5 7500F, all with oc for a rtx 4090-7900xtx, im on a tigth budget...
Is the NVidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super and Intel Core i7 13700K a good combination.
Yes
Can i know the game you show playing is what game is that?and the combo you make you what brand of motherboard and what brand for the GPU you will recommend? I never ever use an and I would like to buy a new pc so is this the recommendation if I would like to build a gaming pc?
If you are going for the 7800x3d, you should be going for a high end 4k GPU. The benefits of the CPU are lost without the real high end GPU. Like 7900xtx or 4080/4090.
Please recommend a gpu for i39100f + 16gb ram + 600 watt psu
depends at which resolution he is gonna play too. Probably for 1080p competitive his combo is better but for 1440p ''normal'' then your combo is better
7800x3d and 7800xt was made to be the perfect combo (look at the names)
5800X3D AND 4070 TI SUPER ...IS FIRE!!!
I got a 7800x3d and 4070ti super combo. But I bough better cpu to have better future proofing. As I would like to update only GPUs for next years to come. Next upgrade is in january for 5080 and then time will tell after :)
Why would you upgrade a 4070 super so fast
@@michubern1444 I wanted get replacement for 10 y.o. pc after 5080 came out. But old PC starting got some HW issues. So I stopped playing games and my best friend told me I do not need to wait for 5080 I can buy new pc now and he will take my 4070ti later once I got replacement :) . I will give him some good deal for 4070 and I will have a good gpu for couple of years :)
I don't agree, with a good cpu you can atleast drop the graphics, unless I wanna do 4k I'm going 7800x3d and 7800xt.especially since the high end gpu will be obsolete (for the price) in due time. And unless they make a big breakthrough the cpu is gonna last for a long time.
“Games are mostly dependent on GPU”
*laughs in VRChat depending on CPU cache AND GPU VRAM*
*cries in EVE Online multiboxing maxing out my CPU and RAM*
he said "most games", leaving out a lot of context there buddy
Kinda surprised how he didn't talk about Changing from something 4 to something 5 for future proofing
I've bought the 7800 xt and paired up with ryzen 5 7600 breezes through 1440 p