the amount of people commenting about the thumbnail and title being misleading as bleach doesnt have plot armor , among a significant chunk of anime fans bleach is notorious for having "so much plot armor" as in ichigo should have died on multiple occasions to ulqiourra , aizen , yuha and so on and so forth a statement that i disproved in the video hence why i put it between quotations in the thumbnail and title so before commenting any dumb shit maybe try watching a couple seconds into the video and dont be like the same people who havent watched bleach yet are repeating similar garbage
😂😂 I don't get "plot Armor " what story Doesn't....he is the MAIN CHARACTER in a FICTIONAL WORLD.....very low IQ Ichirkui fans. Waco Mundo has STRONG reishi. White uses this hollow reishi to Regenerate. Thisnis hindsight 20/20 but OLD man zangetsu used the blut vene to stop the bleeding. Then in the beginning Chad says it nutrition for hallows. Arancars have high speed generation...I am sorry THAT'S POWER SYSTEM...IDFK why people suck.
@@__Kumo dude I can't believe you are serious. You are saying that the MAIN PROTAGONIST should have died and the series should just have ended? Bro literally did you just watch bleach so that you could prove that Ichigo should die?. Bleach doesn't have a single character. There are multiple characters who just refuse to die like Zaraki. Tell me, do THEY also have plot armor?. Like your argument is so dead it makes no sense. After watching bleach TYBW did you not understand why Ichigo didn't die on many occasions?. There are battles in many other anime where the main characters don't die because of INSANE plot armor. You are obviously just knit picking on bleach
@@justsomeguywithamustache2901 doens't have to to still have plot armour. if the outcome should have been he dies, but he survives for an unsatisfying reason, that can be a type of plot armour.
Plot armor doesn't necessarily mean winning a fight, it's about a character doing something out of nowhere that often benefits them like somehow surviving an attack that should've killed them, convenient outcomes like somehow the enemy can't use their abilities or has run out of energy or something like that, lack of consequences like sure they died but they came back to life and they're now stronger, and narrative bias just because they're part of the main cast they cannot die.
The Vasto Lord transformation wasn't random It was foreshadowed by white himself before he despaired He said that if Ichigo was close to death,he will return as a king✅ And this is literally what happened against ulqiorra So this doesn't count as a plot armor
I think what made people ( and me at the time ) think that was just how strong that form was as it was able to destroy uliqorra so effortlessly in his 2 nd form as till that point ichigo was just assumed to be a vizard and uliqorra was arguable at least top 2 espada. So I can see why people felt it was plot armour
@@Fantomstranger yeah but as later revealed white was captain level to begin with and ichigo's soul reaper powers being mixed with him makes it believable that he is that much stronger.
@Fantomstranger it felt contrived only to readers who weren't paying attention. Even aside from white himself saying he'd take over if ichigo died, Ichigo literally did show us a little peek at that power when he trained with the visoreds. He did transform into a state very similar to that form in which he fought ulquiorra when he was training with the visoreds. That was clearly kubo showing the readers that there's absolutely more to come with ichigo's hollow powers. Every single visored had to take turns fighting that ichigo showing exactly how powerful he was. But like I always say: Bleach fans can't read.
@@NEONlights-lb8um well tbf using vizards as basis isn't quite useful as except for hachi pretty much everyone one of them ends up being useless and ulqiorra just seemed like he was too powerful but yeah I do agree that form as a whole was foreshadowed
Aside from whether or not bleach actually has plot armor, isn’t it the case for literally every anime produced since forever? Why does Bleach have to be the only anime that gets criticized for it.
it depends on how satisfying things felt. The hollowfied ichigo vs ulquiorra fight wouldn't have been as poorly received if instead of ulquiorra going to his second release right away, if instead he beat ichigo in his first release, the vasto lord came out, and then ulquiorra went to his second release. At that point the two having a more even fight. But what happened was that ichigo was shown to be nowhere even in the same realm as ulquiorra, and then in an instant became so much more powerful than ulquiorra that it was like a kid bullying a child. Fights that one sided aren't satisfying to watch.
@@bobowon5450 but thats not Kubo's or even the manga's fault....it was the anime that created the one sided beat-downs, as Kubo himself said that the Hell movie's version of the fight was a better representation.
@@bobowon5450That's a completely different "problem" that has nothing to do with plot armor, if it is even a problem in the first place, one sided battles can be satisfying too but I digress. Saying that being "one-sided" is a problem for that battle in particular is missing the point, it needed to be one sided, because the point was to make Ichigo feel despair, for him to be so powerless and then teat his resolve, Ulquiorra didn't need to go segunda etapa to kill Ichigo, but killing him wasn't his goal at that point, he wanted him to feel despair, to see him give up, to prove that this "heart" doesn't exist and people value their own lifes more than anything. On the other hand vasto lorde Ichigo needed to be as overwhelmingly strong as he was, because that was the first time we see a "transeendent" being, a full successful hollowfication, it needed to be that powerful, after all this is the result of what Aizen wanted to create with both the vizored and arrancars. I think a lot of people are just so surface level when analyzing shounens, especially when it comes to battles.
If we've seen Shinigami continuously survive 'seemingly fatal' injuries, then we can safely assume those injuries are not fatal to them - at least unless they go extended periods without aid. For example Gin literally bisected Hiyori Sarugaki and she turned out just fine - they're just build different.
I think my biggest issue is that the characters act like they're at death's door which i know isn't true so it just stops me from caring cuz I know if a villain got hit with that move they'd most likely die instantly.
The problem people have isn't applying 'human logic' to spiritual beings but heroes surviving fatal injuries whilst the villains die from far less serious ones, often with no explanation behind it.
The Vasto Lorde form was explicitly foreshadowed by White at the end of their fight, as White told Ichigo that if he died before they met again, he'd take the throne as King. Also, Shinigami can ignore fatal wounds as long as their Spirit Energy holds out. This is used multiple times, and always is used with someone who is AT LEAST a Lieutenant level or above fighter, even as early as the Substitute Shinigami Arc, as after the Grand Fisher fight, Rukia states that one's Spirit Energy is equal to their life force, commenting that Ichigo still being alive with his wounds meant that he had even more power than she originally thought. Yes things like losing a limb or bursting your eardrums are significant injuries in Bleach, but one directly effects your ability to defend yourself, while the other directly impedes your abiloty to function, but most blows are more dependent on the power of the person effected.
Hiyori got cut in two and survived. Kira became an apple. Hisagi just wouldn't die. Just look at the amount of scars left on grandpa genocide's body. He survived that many injuries over thousands of years and he must've got most of them before healing kido was even invented
@@salmannazeer2688Hiory was being held alive by Hachi's kido, Kira was revived by Mayuri, he did die. Hisagi didn't die cause of his Zanpakutou's power
The biggest mistake people make when looking at the times Bleach characters get severely wounded is that they treat these characters as if they were human. They aren't. They are literal souls with much higher durability and survival ability than regular ass people. To directly kill a Bleach character, you need to aim for the specific weak points, deal enough damage to overwhelm the higher durability, or leave them injured long enough to fade away without having been healed. I get that it can seem annoying and repetitive seeing Bleach characters get a hole pierced through their chests, but being annoyed with something doesn't automatically mean it's plot armor. I would think that people would realize that, after the first time a character is shown to survive being bisected, that other characters can survive the same so long as there is a healer somewhere.
@@__Kumo Oh, I totally get that. It's entirely reasonable to get annoyed with the way Bleach characters seem to get fatal injuries and then appear fine the next arc. Something not being plot armor doesn't mean it's good writing.
The problem people have isn't applying 'human logic' to spiritual beings but heroes surviving fatal injuries whilst the villains die from far less serious ones, often with no explanation behind it. That's plot armor.
"konpaku (soul)" form is not the same as humans bodies, this was showcased very early in the bleach manga when ichigo had minor damages in his shinigami form and once he transfered back to his "Gigai" it hurted like hell. When people get "donuted" its usually a good chunk of their soul getting taken away and if they don't get restored back they could die in their broken state.
This gets explained in Ichigo's fight against Grand Fisher and yet people still constantly are like "But how could this character survive getting stabbed or having a hole put through them?" It's like, dawg, they're ghosts already.
Remember when Unohana noticed his damaged robe as well. She pointed out the robe was one indication of his Reishi.. if his CLOTHES are a representation of it, his body would be too
People ignore that it was mentioned from the beginning that the greater your spiritual power is, the more difficult it is for you to die from wounds, and we had already seen how Ichigo hollowfies and a hole appears in his chest since the Vizards training 💀
in every fanbase there's always the 80-90% of "fans" who are just extremely dumb and will copy what others say and are probably just watching because they want to see the fighting scenes only without understanding anything , glad the other 20% exists in this community man
Plot armor is an exaggeration. Whenever an author kills a character he just doesn’t need to bother themselves with them. Sometimes I’d be better to let people go out in glory because it’ll make their legacy better. My most prominent pick are Might Guy and All Might
Might Guy opening all the gates, something that has been reiterated so many times as a thing that 1000% kills you, only to survive? I knew Naruto had been going downhill for awhile but that really made me lose some of my last bit of respect for the author and the series. Absolute hack shit.
Bleach actually doesn’t have plot armor lmao they’re death gods lol why would they just die to common injuries? Rukia almost got bitten in half in the first episode for crying out loud lol Characters just need to exist and not exist to fit the narrative, but that’s not plot armor. Plot armor would be if Lee just came back and won the fight with gaara after completely having his limbs completely crushed, with no explanation. Everything in bleach actually has an explanation.
I think the real issue is that it's hard to stay invested when you know the main characters will come out of every fight alive regardless of how badly beat they are. An example of this is the beaten-into-dust dead horse that is the Byakuya fakeout during the first invasion in the TYBW arc.
I dont know but I've never once heard this argument before, for the simple reason that the people I talk to about bleach are smart enough to know the mc wont stay dead like halfway through a show, this is back then too because even back then it'd be pretty obvious when a show was going to end "this was our (anime name)" moment always happens and they literally tell u its ending
This might be the worst take on Bleach I've seen in a while. It has its problems sure, but this isn't one of them. This is just asinine clickbaiting. Try learning about something a bit before criticizing it.
How did you write a whole paragraph and say nothing of substance? No specificity to your critique. Is this a fetish of some sort, or a cry for attention?
Want to know what plot armor is? Just seeing the one piece arcs of Whole Cake and Egghead, in these oda wasn't even ashamed. In WC Luffy literally became an immortal of blood and infinite energy so he could withstand katakuri blows to evolve and then escape. Egghead all the antagonists became dumb and incompetent assholes to favor the gang and they escape. All 5 goroseis couldn't even handle bonney a 12 year old girl with no experience whatsoever. Even cartoon villains are more efficient than them, at absolutely no point do you feel that the gang can lose or not escape because everything works to favor them THATS THE DEFINITION OF PLOT ARMOR.
Luffy was always a monster of endurance and infinite blood since Ennies Lobby, heck, since Arlong Park. People are just built different in One Piece ans Luffy did take time to rest during the fight
@@vcamv2354 you just prove luffy ass plot armor since day one, all of them have. Dont even make me say tons of liters of zoro's blood in Thriller bark.
@@hugofonseca7455 I mean, in 2024 are we still pretending that plot armor isn't basic stuff in every anime? In One Piece having tons of blood is basically normal. People will survive the most absurd shit cause people are just that phisically strong
@@vcamv2354 No, it's not, it's plot armor and the immortality of the characters. OP characters are all immortal until the author decides not to, when that happens the characters die due to the most basic things possible.
The problem is that if you turn a blind eye to your favorite anime, you can't criticize other people's (since yours does much worse)
@hugofonseca7455 And I said it's plot armor. All characters in a story are immortal untik the author decides to, that's how a story works. What I'm saying is, I don't turn a blind eye to One Piece, I just don't care much about it cause characters surviving impossible things is a constant of the story, so it just becomes the norm, which I never said I consider good or well done.
2:15 Rukia already explained that in the first arc buddy. ''as long as shinigami still have reiatsu they can't die''. This is why they were losing to quincy in the war cuz they absorb the reishi around them with makes critically insjured shinigami unable to naturally heal
The second half of tybw arc was rushed we cant really blame kubo for it , lets see how it turns out in anime and as for lille kubo could have made it that shinsuis bankai would kill lille but the reason he chose the sword thing is because of how important it is for the lore and also to explain why does shunsui wield a dual zanpakuto
i guess people just want to have an anime where the main protagonist either is the strongest and oneshots all and everything without facing any hardships, which is kinda boring. Or be the weakest and get clapped by everyone, which again isnt very intresting. Its a fuckin Anime with special abilities and what not, of course the main protagonist of that show is gonna level up in some way during fights, and bleach always foreshadowed Ichigos Power ups and explained pretty much anything. If People wanna call it Plot armour so be it, then from now on we can only make animes out of actual human history because that really happend so it cant be plot armour lol
2:58 Ichigo vs. Renji and Byakuya 3:51 Ichigo vs. Renji 4:46 Ichigo vs. Kenpachi 5:12 Ichigo vs. Byakuya 6:01 Ichigo vs. Grimmjow 6:41 Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra 8:00 Ichigo vs. Aizen 8:43 Note on Yhwach and Uryu
I especially feel this when watching the TYBW Anime. I‘ve read the Manga a long time ago but now that I watch the series I’m noticing it more and more: A insane power gets introducing, said to do this do that and at the end the other character is just immune to it, or they get revived. It’s reminding me a lot of Dragonball revives honestly.
@__Kumo Especially during the first invasion:Kira should’ve died, Byakuya should‘ve died(this one is understandable tho since fans sent dthreats to Kubo). Second Invasion:How did Rose and Kensei not die? Both got revived by Mayuri and even after Gremmy „killed“ them they‘re still not dead. Who died during the fight with Aizen that’s important? Not even Momo died🫤the only people that actually died were Sasakibe(and he barely had any screen time) and Yama(since he was too broken I guess). And it’s always the same thing. When it was revealed that Yhwach was the „fake“ one it was a strategic act on Yhwach‘s side, but these things keep happening more and more. Ichibei‘s powers didn‘t even have any meaning since Yhwach could just „regain it“😐😐
As a bleach fan the only ichigo fight i can accept as being somewhat plot armor is the one he had against Aizen since it was such a big power jump and training in the dangai was something that kinda came out of nowhere but I like the fact that his dad was shown to have getsugatensho as well and that he trained him the foreshadowing is really cool since in the early episodes it was always his dad secretly training him
And even then it's made very clear that Ichigo was already the only one relative enough to sense Aizen already and later on it's confirmed that old man zangetsu was restricting Ichigos powers so imo it's safe to assume that Old Man Zangetsu just lowered his hold on Ichigos power on top of Ichigo getting more power
What i really like is what you said about those near-death moments (for example, Grimmjow stabbing Rukia and not killing her like that). These moments emphasize a danger moment between the fighters. In Bleach, a character could get shot or pierced in their chest, rip their own limbs off, and yet, they still will survive. Even Kyoraku stated before he activated his Bankai that those wounds Lille Barro inflicted on him wouldnt be able to kill him so easily. Lille Barro's Vollständig gave him trouble, but he ended up winning with his Bankai (for now. We will see about that next Saturday).
People really should watch the video before commenting, this was a very well done and well explained video disproving the whole plot armor argument. Good job
I'm not going to say Ichigo never had Plot Armor moments. However it's astounding the amount of info the vast majority of fans let pass. Firdt of all, Ichigo should have never lost to Aizen in his first confrontation during the Arrancar arc. Kubo had already set up Ichigo to be stronger than Aizen all the way back during his return against Ulquiorra. In fact, the author uses Unohana to show that Ichigo is now out of this world in power. Unohana states that Ichigo is already among the strongest of Captains in power, from what she can fell of his reiatsu. Only for him to say that he should only be around 50% of his power, however here's the catch, Ichigo's Shihakusho was smaller than 50% in size, which means that he has less than 50% of his full reserves. Possibly around 30%. Second, when Hin faces Ichigo, she shows not only disappointment but also surprise at how weak Ichigo really was. This is important because it evidances that everyone involved expected Ichigo to be at least close to Aizen in power, and the character who proves this hypothesis is Matsumoto, when she looks at Ichigo she states that he doesn't have the eyes of a warrior. Which means that yes Ichigo was holding back his power, which is understandable when he had lost control and gravely injured Ishida as well as dishonorably defeated Ulquiorra, someone he wanted to face on equal terms.
My problem with the uqiora victory is that hollow ichigowas only half it's potential power meaning ichigo went from fodder to being dozens of times stronger than him no explanation could not make that unsatisfying
1. Ichigo and friends are almost killed by Yammy and Uliquirra, for some reason they don't kill them, giving Urahara enough time to rescue them. 2. Grimjow commands ichigo be healed, after Ulquiorra killed him. 3. Ulquiorra kills ichigo again and his hollow form conveniently takes him over, however, his berserk rage ends before he can kill any of his allies. 4. Ichigo gets stabbed by Ywatch, but blut vein (something explained retroactively) saves him. 5. Instead of killing him right there he spares ichigo, even though his Sternritter can kill him easily, as his blade was broken. 6. Ichigo looses to Askin yet is able to fight Yhwach despite Yhwach being able to use the abilities of his underlings. 7. Yhwach absorbed Gerard before he amassed the power to kill the Captians. 8. Lillie Barro is killed by some random plot convnient blade.
Many occasions in bleach can be explained, however, the convenient timing at which these power ups appear is a level of plot armor. White was forshadoed from the beginning, but why does he take over ichigo against Ulquiorra, when he could've taken over every single battle that ichigo was wounded and victory wasn't assured. I also view Grimjow as wanting Ichigo to be healed from death as a level of plot armor as, despite grimjow's personality, he is Aizen's underling first and foremost. Ressurecting a troublesome enemy goes against what he is, even as his old Arrancar panther form in the wild. Are you telling me, whenever he fought a dangerous opponent in the wild he wanted to show them mercy even if they werent killed in an honorable way? Other examples include Ichigo not being killed by after Yhwach destroyed his sword. Enemies often leave critically wounded enemies that they can kill easily alive, only for them to return stronger. This happens multiple times in every arc. Also, Blut Vein showing up when it did on ichigo is plot armor when it never showed up beforehand. Just because you can retroactively explain plot armor doesnt mean that it isnt plot armor.
Two of my biggest issues of plot armor in bleach include aizen in fkt and the sternritter 1st invasion. Starting with aizen, the only reason aizen survived long enough for wonderweiss to get on the battlefield in the 1st place is that yammammoto decided it was a good idea to just stand there immediately after trapping them. Or when yama sacrificed his arm for hado 96 and it only gave aizen scratches. Another not as serious issue was when everyone else was dumbed down in the captain fight to make aizem look badass. Toshiro said they attempted to attack aizen first so aizen couldnt use kyoka suigetsu, but didnt toshiro attack aizen 1st in ss arc, as well as kommommura, and aizen still fooled them with kyoka suigetsu anyway? Regarding the 1st sternritter invasion, it just seems convenient that more named people didnt die. The obvious contender is byakuya, but was meninas just standing over rukias unconcious body throughout the entire ichigo vs yhwach fight without making sure shes dead?
It’s uncommon for bleach characters to survive something they should’ve died from, that one guy with the bookmark fullbring got a hole blasted through his heart and he’s human yet he still survived it for at least multiple hours after words and could still talk and move.
The only reason I could see the main character getting trapped in a hopeless situation for it to not be bad writing is if it’s to make the side characters more appealing. Especially when the side characters aren’t used a lot and the writer realizes this and wants to change that. Other than that, it feels unsatisfying.
Against Byakuya the inner demon takes over ,against Ulquiorra when he was supposed to die then suddenly the inner demon takes over a dead corpse? Plot Armour yes
Plot armor is not really a thing of its own. It is something that the audience of a story perceive due to inconsistant or bad writing. The Game of Thrones suffers from the first reason. In the first seasons it is well established that no character is safe no matter how much the story focusses on that specific character. The initial main character is Ned Stark and he gets beheaded. As the show progresses more characters just seem incapable of dying no matter what foolish actions they take or how grevious the wounds are that they receive. I'm looking at your Arya Stark and John Snow. When a story esteblishes that no character is safe, no matter how big his/her role and then starts to deviate from that established fact with a few it breaks the immersion. Bleach doesn't have this particulary inconsistency problem. It is very consistent with the fact that the majority of the cast can't die no matter how badly they lose a fight or how injured they are. They always will come back. The problem with bleach is the setup and pay-off. Often these miracules survivals or even victories are achieved by a concept introduced on the spot. An example of this is the fight between Pernida and Mayuri. Mayuri only wins because Pernida ate Nemu who's cells happen to grow out of control if they are disconnected from the brain. The problem is that both the idea of Pernida eating people and the concept of her cells growing out of control without her brain are introduced the moment it is needed. It is not builded up to. That way it always feels rather lackluster as a resolution. Such things will often be percieved as an asspull or deux ex machina because it comes out of thin air. The story does not do the work to build up to the resolution.
I don't think there is a justification for Yhwach leaving Ichigo alive after defeating him in chapter 680, that was pure military grade Plot Armor. If Yhwach can think nothing of killing someone like Haschwalth, then yeah, neither Orihime or Ichigo are walking away from that fight alive. And really, I can stomach the villains holding back from killing the MC for "reasons" only so long before it becomes grating. Ulquiorra holding back and not pulverizing Ichigo head because he is trying to make Ichigo feel despair is acceptable, Aizen holding back and toying with Ichigo makes sense for his character. But everything in Yhwach character shows he would obliterate both Orihime and Ichigo before moving on to more important things. Hell, Ichibei sent Ichigo to fight Yhwach fully believing Ichigo would die, but he did not care because he could still use Ichigo corpse as the soul king replacement. Ichibei himself expected Yhwach to kill Ichigo. And this means Yhwach had even more of a reason to kill Ichigo and blast his corpse to dust like he did with Yamamoto. With Ichigo dead and gone, Soul society can no longer use him as the soul king replacement. At end of the day, I know this is a manga for kids, of course Ichigo is not going to die. But this ultimately forces the villains look ineffective or pathetic. Either they are complete jokes like the Espada and can't kill anyone, or they have to hold back and sit around doing nothing or fighting badly like Yhwach and the royal guard, otherwise the shinigamis would lose the war in seconds.
I think I heard people saying ichigo should have died in the ulquiorra fight. Obviously they don't realize that was basically ulquiorra opening up pandoras box when he created that hole. Ichigo was the one keeping it locked up!
I mostly agree except with the Ulquiorra one first off Ulquiorra's statement about ichigo's power was most likely in regards to his base second having a transformation that has no set up and then explaining it later counts as plot armor oh but his make transforms over time until it happens sure but we were never told it would lead up to anything and aside from it there were absolutely no build up Edit: I forgot about the whole white saying he'll return thing but a little more foreshadowing would have helped
ulquiorra never implied that he meant his base form , white told ichigo that he will take over him if he kept hesitating in battle what do you mean a little more foreshadowing.. he verbatim stated it once and took over his body multiple times before that battle
@__Kumo because at that point he had a hollow hole. You can say that his hollow can regenerate organs but you can't turn him back and the regrow his heart while he is turned back. Otherwise Ichigo regrowing organs and limbs should have become a regular occurrence
I really dont get how people ichigo has insane plot armor when most if it is just white acting up, like don’t they realise that white exists, not to mention he was acting up in the first place because ichigo wasn’t accepting him as his inner spirit until TYBW so he was just acting on his own
They aren't entirely ass pulls until full bring, rukia just shows up and gives Ichigo his powers back, and him being a Quincy and then having those powers stolen
With Cour 3 being currently released and being peak so far is not the best time to antagonize the glazzers, with that being said: Ichigo Vasto Lorde thing: was the form being THAT broken contrived? Yes, but it was forshadowed. What was silly was making Ichigo ALL the races, I don't care for the explanation, because in concept, making your mc everything in your story is silly and gets close to fanfiction level writting. Sadly by the end Ichigo HAS to have all of that going for him not to lose, Aizen was already a problem because he was always pretty much Kubo inside the story, he knows everything, and whatever he needs in the story happends (the whole "Extinguir bs with Yama) and only "gets it wrong" twice, againts Ichigo, cause duh, we can't have the mc losing in the end, and in the White flashback, which actually works in his favor. But to top him was, we have Yuha and his power A, The Asspull, so between him and Aizen is like a "I have the power of the script!" "Well, guess what, I have the power of the script plus infinity no takebacks, so there!". My gripe with Ichigo was that, Kubo making him everything, but sadly, by the end the power scaling is so brokem by the end he CAN'T be anything less to compete. I still love him because he is not "Goku 2.0 happy go lucky goober" and is his own man, but Kubo was checked out at the time with Shonen Jump so the story wasn't the best at the end
i don't believe bleach has plot armor, but i do believe like you've said, it has a problem with trying way too hard to surprise the audience to the point where it starts to become problematic and i think TYBW arc just dials this up to a billion to the point where i can't feel invested in the story anymore because i simply can't trust what i'm shown
Guys, plot armor is meant to be their, we need plot armor otherwise how will we continue the story without a main character dead, and if we had bad plot armor that means the story will be bad because we have no main character
people are comparing a fatal injury to a human body there souls and it out right stated that soul bodies are more durable and the higher your reiatsu the more likely it will be for them to survive something fatal to a human body
No it's not it's a simple story. The only thing hard to comprehend is fans expecting people to just remember a random statement that has no weight and immediately associate it with what just happened. bleach is not that complex like just because you explain why ichigo is stronger than a guy who one shot him five minutes ago in the most vague way possible doesn't mean I have to like it seriously explaining why ichigo always has a new powe up or why he's two races that are physically impossible to mix doesn't mean I'm obligated to feel satisfied and ichigo being every race wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have the most basic move set in anime history all these powers yet you spamming getsuga tensho if your gonna make a charater with multiple different races give them the powers to match
He DID die there. Orihime resurrected him. The only thing she couldn't do was remove the hollow hole from him, and that is because the hollow was part of Ichigo himself - therefore when she tried to reject it from Ichigo, she couldn't.
ichigo does not really have plot armor at best the amp in his fight against zaraki(even if his heritage was foreshadowed but old man zangetsu suppressing his power was probably not),3 days bankai could be plot armor
Well thanks to all those clearing up the ulquiorra (my favorite character) fight. But STILL... ulqiorra fought the strongest ichigo IMO and he was still throwing hands til the bitter end. No other character outside of aizen/yama could have dealt with white ichigo but ulqui did his fkin job and stood on business. He could have retreated and waited for white to pass out with all that energy being expended it was certainly a very limited time transformation. Then showed up in fake karakura town and cooked everyone with that Segundo. Would have loved to see that 💯 😂😂😂
Its not as big as a deal as u think it is that ulquiorra didn't run, as he literally doesn't have any emotions. Ulquiorra would've been one shot by yama on the spot tge second he tried to interfere with any captain battles.
If u really wanna use the Term "Plot Armor" for Bleach ? Which is ofc Boderline Insane 😅 It's probably given to Villains instead of the MC, and even that is very Vague take.. Villains are shown, how they did or did not Survive no matter how Small significance their Death Holds. Infact Every death in the Show is respected with a good screen time so much so that even If That Afro Guy somehow dies, ...Even that would be Mentioned exclusively by Kubo. If anything Plot Armour is Aginst Bleach Characters (if that makes Sense to u guys?)
@__Kumo My comment was actually just a joke because pf the amount of Ulquiorra glazers there are because their precious bat killed the MC so he overpowers Starkk and Barragan
i dont know, these seem to be reaching to refute plot armor accusations. at end of the day this is a battle shounen (on surface level) so of course it has plot armor, a lot. but what people expect, the MC to die in 3 chapters? this is one of the few times when i dont mind plot armor too much, but it definetly exists
I Disagree about Ichigo Surviving the Hole in his chest that vaporized his heart, cmon... at this point he is pretty much imortal if even Orihime's powers couldnt bring him back and hi did it by himself this is plot armor for me. And Ichigo Against Aizen is kinda bullshit too cuz ichigo Strength level go from being defeated by Gin (easily) for being the strongest beeing that we ever saw to that point in the anime/mangá, you could say that he was training in a dimension where the times go slower or something but man this is a shitty excuse for this imense level up, and even after "sacrificing" his reiatsu to use the Mugetsu Getsuga Tenshou or whatever all it takes to bring it back is everyone to give him a pat in the back, thats bullshit. I love Bleach, i rly do but there are 2 characters that always pull some bullshit to win their fights, 1: Mayuri,The Deus ex machina god (but he is not thaaaat bad)and 2: Ichigo, The God of plot armor.
@@__Kumo man just go watch the fight, gin baraly has some bruisers and is speaking normaly and calm. if you compare the grimmjow fight (the last one) you'll see that there are moments that one is ahead dominating the fight and then the other take the lead, but gin vs ichigo gin was always ahead, that is a easy fight it doesnt mean that gin was holding back, but i didnt saw gin use the techinique that he used agains Aizen either so... Yeah i would say was easy. but hey im not the avatar of truth you can tell me why you think it wasnt easy.
Y’all keep in mind that everything before ichigos fight with aizen was apart of aizens plan not even that is plot armor. Sasuke surviving deidara and danzos nuke is plot armor and byakuya still being alive after as nodt made him his bitch is plot armor. oh here’s a very good guy after his fight with madara is the best plot armor all of Naruto.
Rukia the embodiment of plot armor she literally deadweight in the series. Also have absolutely no reason for her to train with squad zero and zero relevant in TYBW. She should die when meninas attack her because of her own stupidity
Oh, i thought another video slandering bleach without understanding it but 10sec in its safe to say you are here to bust those baseless slander. I havnt watched video, i might be wrong, so let me watch and see where it take us.
It's not plot armor it's lazy writing. This is something bleach excels in and is glorified for. Shock value is cool but a better setup would be a much better payoff.
Ichigo did indeed die, the Shinigami survived Fake Karakura but not the Quincy invasion. Plot armor only works if you make it out completely unscathed.
Kubo generally uses "fatal" looking injuries as a shock factor also on many occasions the injuries are being shown to give a feeling to the "reader" about the strength of the attack. Bleach is a manga after all, with very complex power system. Readers need visual clues to understand the strength of the characters or their attacks. On one page Ichigo can't even cut Zaraki with his sword, on another page Unohana cuts Zaraki's throat like a butter. Those are all there to show/give clues to the reader about character strengths. @__Kumo i am sorry to say that in my opinion you did know such reactions may come to the video when you decide to put a caption like that. I am also guessing u were expecting those reactions just for the caption. You are a content creator after all and you took your attention. My question is why are u so harsh ("before commenting any dumb shit") to people in this context? Im sorry if im guessing wrong.
some people were hating on the video without watching saying that i should watch bleach before saying that bleach has a plot armor problem.. something i clearly never said , as a matter of fact this video is refuting this claim so how can they dislike the video and call it trash while they actually agree with the point that i am making
its not plot armor for ichigo any chance ichigo is weak white was going to pop out and take over obviously to protect ichigo and aizen stopped bros sword with one finger AND stopped his theme song.
Plot armor... No ichigo was just holding back for ulquiorra sake. Look what happened when ulquiorra messed with uryu and Ichigo girl. Hollow ichigo had his foot on ulquiorra fodder skull.
@kumo I've been checking out a few of your bleach videos and I was wondering if you'd be interested in giving your thoughts on some critiques I have on the show? I could be wrong, but it seems as if you've genuinely never heard strong arguments against bleach.
Because there’s an emphasis on controlling your power on bleach hence why they wear seals in the world of the living, even villains like arrancars wouldn’t go all out in their own territory. Also they are essentially ghost who directly attack each others souls so there’s no need for a ton of aoe type of destruction
In Bleach they have powers that could destroy the universes they exist in, but obviously they want to protect those places and not damage them too much. For that reason they concentrate and suppress their abilities. Ichigo's dad explains at one point that if captain level soul reapers didn't suppress their powers their swords would be taller than buildings. They even put on seals to lessen their power when in the human world, and Squad Zero seals their powers behind the lives of it's members.
It's iterated over and over again that having power on that scale is largely useless and that true power tends to be in the ability to control and condense energy. Even so, several characters are not allowed to use their most powerful abilities due to the scale of what they would affect--this is something that the Narita novel, Spirits Are Always With You, explores. In BLEACH's own publication, though, we see Yamamoto not use Bankai against Aizen largely because it would result in killing everyone in Karakura along with his subordinate shinigami. Destructive scale is a pretty bizarre standard to hold for considering the power of anything, anyway, and I found that Naruto trending towards such large-scale destructive techniques felt really lame for a series that was supposed to be about Ninja. Even in something like Dragonball, there's only so much someone can say "AND THIS ATTACK WILL DESTROY THE PLANET" before I start rolling my eyes.
the amount of people commenting about the thumbnail and title being misleading as bleach doesnt have plot armor , among a significant chunk of anime fans bleach is notorious for having "so much plot armor" as in ichigo should have died on multiple occasions to ulqiourra , aizen , yuha and so on and so forth
a statement that i disproved in the video hence why i put it between quotations in the thumbnail and title
so before commenting any dumb shit maybe try watching a couple seconds into the video and dont be like the same people who havent watched bleach yet are repeating similar garbage
😂😂 I don't get "plot Armor " what story Doesn't....he is the MAIN CHARACTER in a FICTIONAL WORLD.....very low IQ Ichirkui fans.
Waco Mundo has STRONG reishi. White uses this hollow reishi to Regenerate. Thisnis hindsight 20/20 but OLD man zangetsu used the blut vene to stop the bleeding. Then in the beginning Chad says it nutrition for hallows. Arancars have high speed generation...I am sorry THAT'S POWER SYSTEM...IDFK why people suck.
Gotta re weite my debunk video....thanks for reminding me
Lol, dude is indeed literally arguing there is no plot armor
@@__Kumo dude I can't believe you are serious. You are saying that the MAIN PROTAGONIST should have died and the series should just have ended? Bro literally did you just watch bleach so that you could prove that Ichigo should die?. Bleach doesn't have a single character. There are multiple characters who just refuse to die like Zaraki. Tell me, do THEY also have plot armor?. Like your argument is so dead it makes no sense. After watching bleach TYBW did you not understand why Ichigo didn't die on many occasions?. There are battles in many other anime where the main characters don't die because of INSANE plot armor. You are obviously just knit picking on bleach
Speedreaders and people who aren't engaging with BLEACH will use this sort of critique to continue to not engage with BLEACH.
Their loss.
People speed through manga? Shit, I take my time and really try imagining movement and sfx in my head. It greatly enhances the reading experience.
@@richcast66 EXACTLY! And my friend says I read slow and I tell him this and he says it’s unnecessary
@@richcast66exactly what i do when i read a manga or comic or whatever, it makes the experience way better than just reading some words and moving on
Funny how people say plot armor ichigo, when he didn't even win the fight against aizen or yhwach individually 😂😂
True shii😂
plot armour doesn't mean he is incapable of losing. but that when he wins it feels unearned.
@@bobowon5450 ichigo didn't win tho lmao
@@justsomeguywithamustache2901 doens't have to to still have plot armour. if the outcome should have been he dies, but he survives for an unsatisfying reason, that can be a type of plot armour.
Plot armor doesn't necessarily mean winning a fight, it's about a character doing something out of nowhere that often benefits them like somehow surviving an attack that should've killed them, convenient outcomes like somehow the enemy can't use their abilities or has run out of energy or something like that, lack of consequences like sure they died but they came back to life and they're now stronger, and narrative bias just because they're part of the main cast they cannot die.
The Vasto Lord transformation wasn't random
It was foreshadowed by white himself before he despaired
He said that if Ichigo was close to death,he will return as a king✅
And this is literally what happened against ulqiorra
So this doesn't count as a plot armor
I think what made people ( and me at the time ) think that was just how strong that form was as it was able to destroy uliqorra so effortlessly in his 2 nd form as till that point ichigo was just assumed to be a vizard and uliqorra was arguable at least top 2 espada. So I can see why people felt it was plot armour
@@Fantomstranger yeah but as later revealed white was captain level to begin with and ichigo's soul reaper powers being mixed with him makes it believable that he is that much stronger.
@ yeah but at that time it did feel very contrived
@Fantomstranger it felt contrived only to readers who weren't paying attention. Even aside from white himself saying he'd take over if ichigo died, Ichigo literally did show us a little peek at that power when he trained with the visoreds. He did transform into a state very similar to that form in which he fought ulquiorra when he was training with the visoreds. That was clearly kubo showing the readers that there's absolutely more to come with ichigo's hollow powers. Every single visored had to take turns fighting that ichigo showing exactly how powerful he was. But like I always say: Bleach fans can't read.
@@NEONlights-lb8um well tbf using vizards as basis isn't quite useful as except for hachi pretty much everyone one of them ends up being useless and ulqiorra just seemed like he was too powerful but yeah I do agree that form as a whole was foreshadowed
Aside from whether or not bleach actually has plot armor, isn’t it the case for literally every anime produced since forever? Why does Bleach have to be the only anime that gets criticized for it.
it depends on how satisfying things felt. The hollowfied ichigo vs ulquiorra fight wouldn't have been as poorly received if instead of ulquiorra going to his second release right away, if instead he beat ichigo in his first release, the vasto lord came out, and then ulquiorra went to his second release. At that point the two having a more even fight.
But what happened was that ichigo was shown to be nowhere even in the same realm as ulquiorra, and then in an instant became so much more powerful than ulquiorra that it was like a kid bullying a child. Fights that one sided aren't satisfying to watch.
@@bobowon5450 but thats not Kubo's or even the manga's fault....it was the anime that created the one sided beat-downs, as Kubo himself said that the Hell movie's version of the fight was a better representation.
@@bobowon5450I beg to differ
@ since when the hollowfied Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight was poorly received? It has always been peak.
@@bobowon5450That's a completely different "problem" that has nothing to do with plot armor, if it is even a problem in the first place, one sided battles can be satisfying too but I digress. Saying that being "one-sided" is a problem for that battle in particular is missing the point, it needed to be one sided, because the point was to make Ichigo feel despair, for him to be so powerless and then teat his resolve, Ulquiorra didn't need to go segunda etapa to kill Ichigo, but killing him wasn't his goal at that point, he wanted him to feel despair, to see him give up, to prove that this "heart" doesn't exist and people value their own lifes more than anything. On the other hand vasto lorde Ichigo needed to be as overwhelmingly strong as he was, because that was the first time we see a "transeendent" being, a full successful hollowfication, it needed to be that powerful, after all this is the result of what Aizen wanted to create with both the vizored and arrancars.
I think a lot of people are just so surface level when analyzing shounens, especially when it comes to battles.
If we've seen Shinigami continuously survive 'seemingly fatal' injuries, then we can safely assume those injuries are not fatal to them - at least unless they go extended periods without aid. For example Gin literally bisected Hiyori Sarugaki and she turned out just fine - they're just build different.
They are literal souls after all.
The Hiyori bit was because Hachi was using time suspension kido, but yeah, they are souls so using a human, physical logic doesn't make sense
I think my biggest issue is that the characters act like they're at death's door which i know isn't true so it just stops me from caring cuz I know if a villain got hit with that move they'd most likely die instantly.
The problem people have isn't applying 'human logic' to spiritual beings but heroes surviving fatal injuries whilst the villains die from far less serious ones, often with no explanation behind it.
@alternateperson6600 like for example?
He technically did die
But the concept of death is very different in Bleach compared to other show
The Vasto Lorde form was explicitly foreshadowed by White at the end of their fight, as White told Ichigo that if he died before they met again, he'd take the throne as King. Also, Shinigami can ignore fatal wounds as long as their Spirit Energy holds out. This is used multiple times, and always is used with someone who is AT LEAST a Lieutenant level or above fighter, even as early as the Substitute Shinigami Arc, as after the Grand Fisher fight, Rukia states that one's Spirit Energy is equal to their life force, commenting that Ichigo still being alive with his wounds meant that he had even more power than she originally thought. Yes things like losing a limb or bursting your eardrums are significant injuries in Bleach, but one directly effects your ability to defend yourself, while the other directly impedes your abiloty to function, but most blows are more dependent on the power of the person effected.
Hiyori got cut in two and survived. Kira became an apple. Hisagi just wouldn't die. Just look at the amount of scars left on grandpa genocide's body. He survived that many injuries over thousands of years and he must've got most of them before healing kido was even invented
@salmannazeer2688 exactly my point.
@@salmannazeer2688Hiory was being held alive by Hachi's kido, Kira was revived by Mayuri, he did die. Hisagi didn't die cause of his Zanpakutou's power
The biggest mistake people make when looking at the times Bleach characters get severely wounded is that they treat these characters as if they were human. They aren't. They are literal souls with much higher durability and survival ability than regular ass people. To directly kill a Bleach character, you need to aim for the specific weak points, deal enough damage to overwhelm the higher durability, or leave them injured long enough to fade away without having been healed.
I get that it can seem annoying and repetitive seeing Bleach characters get a hole pierced through their chests, but being annoyed with something doesn't automatically mean it's plot armor. I would think that people would realize that, after the first time a character is shown to survive being bisected, that other characters can survive the same so long as there is a healer somewhere.
Yeah tekking has said this.
Fair enough you are right.. but it does get kinda annoying and eliminates the feeling that any character will die no matter what injuries they receive
@@__Kumo Oh, I totally get that. It's entirely reasonable to get annoyed with the way Bleach characters seem to get fatal injuries and then appear fine the next arc. Something not being plot armor doesn't mean it's good writing.
The problem people have isn't applying 'human logic' to spiritual beings but heroes surviving fatal injuries whilst the villains die from far less serious ones, often with no explanation behind it. That's plot armor.
@@alternateperson6600 facts
Kubo: foreshadows white taking over every 5 chapters,
White takes over
Bleach "Fans": plot armor
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still plot armour all Ulquiorra had to do was kill him completely or chop his head off after their first battle
@@perfectgematriadecodesabc4259 it's pre established that Ulquiorra always kills his opponents making a hole like his own
People don't have any reading comprehension
"konpaku (soul)" form is not the same as humans bodies, this was showcased very early in the bleach manga when ichigo had minor damages in his shinigami form and once he transfered back to his "Gigai" it hurted like hell. When people get "donuted" its usually a good chunk of their soul getting taken away and if they don't get restored back they could die in their broken state.
This gets explained in Ichigo's fight against Grand Fisher and yet people still constantly are like "But how could this character survive getting stabbed or having a hole put through them?" It's like, dawg, they're ghosts already.
Remember when Unohana noticed his damaged robe as well. She pointed out the robe was one indication of his Reishi.. if his CLOTHES are a representation of it, his body would be too
Bleach doesn't have a plot Armor problem. People just refuse to watch the series with their eyes and ears open.
People ignore that it was mentioned from the beginning that the greater your spiritual power is,
the more difficult it is for you to die from wounds, and we had already seen how Ichigo hollowfies and a hole appears in his chest since the Vizards training 💀
in every fanbase there's always the 80-90% of "fans" who are just extremely dumb and will copy what others say and are probably just watching because they want to see the fighting scenes only without understanding anything , glad the other 20% exists in this community man
2:09 we have Orihime who can reverse whatever happens including death. So I wouldn’t call all of those who were saved by her a plot armor.
Plot armor is an exaggeration. Whenever an author kills a character he just doesn’t need to bother themselves with them. Sometimes I’d be better to let people go out in glory because it’ll make their legacy better.
My most prominent pick are Might Guy and All Might
Might Guy opening all the gates, something that has been reiterated so many times as a thing that 1000% kills you, only to survive?
I knew Naruto had been going downhill for awhile but that really made me lose some of my last bit of respect for the author and the series. Absolute hack shit.
Bleach actually doesn’t have plot armor lmao they’re death gods lol why would they just die to common injuries? Rukia almost got bitten in half in the first episode for crying out loud lol
Characters just need to exist and not exist to fit the narrative, but that’s not plot armor. Plot armor would be if Lee just came back and won the fight with gaara after completely having his limbs completely crushed, with no explanation. Everything in bleach actually has an explanation.
It does have lots armor
Just because something has an explanation doesn't make it okay
It has plot Armour
People will say Goku has plot armor when he learned how to do the Kamehameha because it didn’t take him “years” like Roshi
Ichigo is basically a soul king candidate... He is not even at a fraction of his capacity at the end of the series.
I think the real issue is that it's hard to stay invested when you know the main characters will come out of every fight alive regardless of how badly beat they are. An example of this is the beaten-into-dust dead horse that is the Byakuya fakeout during the first invasion in the TYBW arc.
I dont know but I've never once heard this argument before, for the simple reason that the people I talk to about bleach are smart enough to know the mc wont stay dead like halfway through a show, this is back then too because even back then it'd be pretty obvious when a show was going to end "this was our (anime name)" moment always happens and they literally tell u its ending
Vasto got foreshadowed when White said himself that whenever Ichigo fucked up badly, he’d take over
This might be the worst take on Bleach I've seen in a while. It has its problems sure, but this isn't one of them. This is just asinine clickbaiting. Try learning about something a bit before criticizing it.
Try watching the video before commenting lmao
@@__Kumo I certainly did watch it. If you are going to try a witty comeback, either get the facts straight or at least use some punctuation.
@@SireIsisYou obviously watched with your eyes closed since plot armor has been a problem
How did you write a whole paragraph and say nothing of substance? No specificity to your critique. Is this a fetish of some sort, or a cry for attention?
@@sageoverheavenhe is angry they are they are saying there's plot Armour in bleach
people who say bleach has plot armor werent paying attention, great video
Want to know what plot armor is? Just seeing the one piece arcs of Whole Cake and Egghead, in these oda wasn't even ashamed. In WC Luffy literally became an immortal of blood and infinite energy so he could withstand katakuri blows to evolve and then escape.
Egghead all the antagonists became dumb and incompetent assholes to favor the gang and they escape. All 5 goroseis couldn't even handle bonney a 12 year old girl with no experience whatsoever. Even cartoon villains are more efficient than them, at absolutely no point do you feel that the gang can lose or not escape because everything works to favor them
THATS THE DEFINITION OF PLOT ARMOR.
Luffy was always a monster of endurance and infinite blood since Ennies Lobby, heck, since Arlong Park. People are just built different in One Piece ans Luffy did take time to rest during the fight
@@vcamv2354 you just prove luffy ass plot armor since day one, all of them have. Dont even make me say tons of liters of zoro's blood in Thriller bark.
@@hugofonseca7455 I mean, in 2024 are we still pretending that plot armor isn't basic stuff in every anime?
In One Piece having tons of blood is basically normal. People will survive the most absurd shit cause people are just that phisically strong
@@vcamv2354 No, it's not, it's plot armor and the immortality of the characters.
OP characters are all immortal until the author decides not to, when that happens the characters die due to the most basic things possible.
The problem is that if you turn a blind eye to your favorite anime, you can't criticize other people's (since yours does much worse)
@hugofonseca7455 And I said it's plot armor. All characters in a story are immortal untik the author decides to, that's how a story works.
What I'm saying is, I don't turn a blind eye to One Piece, I just don't care much about it cause characters surviving impossible things is a constant of the story, so it just becomes the norm, which I never said I consider good or well done.
Ulquiorra: makes a hole in Ichigos torso
Shirosaki: "Shouldve gone for the head"
2:15 Rukia already explained that in the first arc buddy. ''as long as shinigami still have reiatsu they can't die''. This is why they were losing to quincy in the war cuz they absorb the reishi around them with makes critically insjured shinigami unable to naturally heal
wait really? how did i miss such info , in which chapter or ep was this explanation
@@__Kumo and the quincy being the counter to shinigami was explain during the fight of uryu and mayuri
@@__Kumo Edit : chapter is 24
one sided sympathy
Lile losing to Nanao with a random sword from anywhere is ass pull bro and also Yhwach whole defeat too
The second half of tybw arc was rushed we cant really blame kubo for it , lets see how it turns out in anime and as for lille kubo could have made it that shinsuis bankai would kill lille but the reason he chose the sword thing is because of how important it is for the lore and also to explain why does shunsui wield a dual zanpakuto
i guess people just want to have an anime where the main protagonist either is the strongest and oneshots all and everything without facing any hardships, which is kinda boring. Or be the weakest and get clapped by everyone, which again isnt very intresting.
Its a fuckin Anime with special abilities and what not, of course the main protagonist of that show is gonna level up in some way during fights, and bleach always foreshadowed Ichigos Power ups and explained pretty much anything.
If People wanna call it Plot armour so be it, then from now on we can only make animes out of actual human history because that really happend so it cant be plot armour lol
2:58 Ichigo vs. Renji and Byakuya
3:51 Ichigo vs. Renji
4:46 Ichigo vs. Kenpachi
5:12 Ichigo vs. Byakuya
6:01 Ichigo vs. Grimmjow
6:41 Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra
8:00 Ichigo vs. Aizen
8:43 Note on Yhwach and Uryu
I especially feel this when watching the TYBW Anime. I‘ve read the Manga a long time ago but now that I watch the series I’m noticing it more and more: A insane power gets introducing, said to do this do that and at the end the other character is just immune to it, or they get revived. It’s reminding me a lot of Dragonball revives honestly.
Bleach didnt have revives except for vasto lorder what are you talking about
@__Kumo Especially during the first invasion:Kira should’ve died, Byakuya should‘ve died(this one is understandable tho since fans sent dthreats to Kubo). Second Invasion:How did Rose and Kensei not die? Both got revived by Mayuri and even after Gremmy „killed“ them they‘re still not dead. Who died during the fight with Aizen that’s important? Not even Momo died🫤the only people that actually died were Sasakibe(and he barely had any screen time) and Yama(since he was too broken I guess). And it’s always the same thing. When it was revealed that Yhwach was the „fake“ one it was a strategic act on Yhwach‘s side, but these things keep happening more and more. Ichibei‘s powers didn‘t even have any meaning since Yhwach could just „regain it“😐😐
Hayuri survived been cutted in half,
In this universe shinigamis can survive bigger injuries than regular humans
Durability is inconsistent. Although not shinigami, Sternwritter and Arrancar seem to die to injuries that even Momo has survived.
As a bleach fan the only ichigo fight i can accept as being somewhat plot armor is the one he had against Aizen since it was such a big power jump and training in the dangai was something that kinda came out of nowhere but I like the fact that his dad was shown to have getsugatensho as well and that he trained him the foreshadowing is really cool since in the early episodes it was always his dad secretly training him
And even then it's made very clear that Ichigo was already the only one relative enough to sense Aizen already and later on it's confirmed that old man zangetsu was restricting Ichigos powers so imo it's safe to assume that Old Man Zangetsu just lowered his hold on Ichigos power on top of Ichigo getting more power
What i really like is what you said about those near-death moments (for example, Grimmjow stabbing Rukia and not killing her like that). These moments emphasize a danger moment between the fighters. In Bleach, a character could get shot or pierced in their chest, rip their own limbs off, and yet, they still will survive. Even Kyoraku stated before he activated his Bankai that those wounds Lille Barro inflicted on him wouldnt be able to kill him so easily. Lille Barro's Vollständig gave him trouble, but he ended up winning with his Bankai (for now. We will see about that next Saturday).
People really should watch the video before commenting, this was a very well done and well explained video disproving the whole plot armor argument.
Good job
OP somehow forgets that explaining plot armor retroactively in the story doesn't count
It actually counts if the explanation is well done and logical, not every retcon is a bad one
I'm not going to say Ichigo never had Plot Armor moments.
However it's astounding the amount of info the vast majority of fans let pass.
Firdt of all, Ichigo should have never lost to Aizen in his first confrontation during the Arrancar arc. Kubo had already set up Ichigo to be stronger than Aizen all the way back during his return against Ulquiorra. In fact, the author uses Unohana to show that Ichigo is now out of this world in power.
Unohana states that Ichigo is already among the strongest of Captains in power, from what she can fell of his reiatsu. Only for him to say that he should only be around 50% of his power, however here's the catch, Ichigo's Shihakusho was smaller than 50% in size, which means that he has less than 50% of his full reserves. Possibly around 30%.
Second, when Hin faces Ichigo, she shows not only disappointment but also surprise at how weak Ichigo really was. This is important because it evidances that everyone involved expected Ichigo to be at least close to Aizen in power, and the character who proves this hypothesis is Matsumoto, when she looks at Ichigo she states that he doesn't have the eyes of a warrior. Which means that yes Ichigo was holding back his power, which is understandable when he had lost control and gravely injured Ishida as well as dishonorably defeated Ulquiorra, someone he wanted to face on equal terms.
My problem with the uqiora victory is that hollow ichigowas only half it's potential power meaning ichigo went from fodder to being dozens of times stronger than him no explanation could not make that unsatisfying
1. Ichigo and friends are almost killed by Yammy and Uliquirra, for some reason they don't kill them, giving Urahara enough time to rescue them.
2. Grimjow commands ichigo be healed, after Ulquiorra killed him.
3. Ulquiorra kills ichigo again and his hollow form conveniently takes him over, however, his berserk rage ends before he can kill any of his allies.
4. Ichigo gets stabbed by Ywatch, but blut vein (something explained retroactively) saves him.
5. Instead of killing him right there he spares ichigo, even though his Sternritter can kill him easily, as his blade was broken.
6. Ichigo looses to Askin yet is able to fight Yhwach despite Yhwach being able to use the abilities of his underlings.
7. Yhwach absorbed Gerard before he amassed the power to kill the Captians.
8. Lillie Barro is killed by some random plot convnient blade.
Hollows can regenerate my guy
Honestly final getsuga tensho was hinted via Uryuu's transformation in Soul Society arc since Ichigo was also part Quincy
Not really they are two unrelated techniques
He did die.
Many occasions in bleach can be explained, however, the convenient timing at which these power ups appear is a level of plot armor. White was forshadoed from the beginning, but why does he take over ichigo against Ulquiorra, when he could've taken over every single battle that ichigo was wounded and victory wasn't assured. I also view Grimjow as wanting Ichigo to be healed from death as a level of plot armor as, despite grimjow's personality, he is Aizen's underling first and foremost. Ressurecting a troublesome enemy goes against what he is, even as his old Arrancar panther form in the wild. Are you telling me, whenever he fought a dangerous opponent in the wild he wanted to show them mercy even if they werent killed in an honorable way? Other examples include Ichigo not being killed by after Yhwach destroyed his sword. Enemies often leave critically wounded enemies that they can kill easily alive, only for them to return stronger. This happens multiple times in every arc. Also, Blut Vein showing up when it did on ichigo is plot armor when it never showed up beforehand. Just because you can retroactively explain plot armor doesnt mean that it isnt plot armor.
Two of my biggest issues of plot armor in bleach include aizen in fkt and the sternritter 1st invasion.
Starting with aizen, the only reason aizen survived long enough for wonderweiss to get on the battlefield in the 1st place is that yammammoto decided it was a good idea to just stand there immediately after trapping them. Or when yama sacrificed his arm for hado 96 and it only gave aizen scratches.
Another not as serious issue was when everyone else was dumbed down in the captain fight to make aizem look badass. Toshiro said they attempted to attack aizen first so aizen couldnt use kyoka suigetsu, but didnt toshiro attack aizen 1st in ss arc, as well as kommommura, and aizen still fooled them with kyoka suigetsu anyway?
Regarding the 1st sternritter invasion, it just seems convenient that more named people didnt die. The obvious contender is byakuya, but was meninas just standing over rukias unconcious body throughout the entire ichigo vs yhwach fight without making sure shes dead?
“God killing sword”
It’s uncommon for bleach characters to survive something they should’ve died from, that one guy with the bookmark fullbring got a hole blasted through his heart and he’s human yet he still survived it for at least multiple hours after words and could still talk and move.
The only reason I could see the main character getting trapped in a hopeless situation for it to not be bad writing is if it’s to make the side characters more appealing. Especially when the side characters aren’t used a lot and the writer realizes this and wants to change that. Other than that, it feels unsatisfying.
Against Byakuya the inner demon takes over ,against Ulquiorra when he was supposed to die then suddenly the inner demon takes over a dead corpse? Plot Armour yes
Plot armor is not really a thing of its own. It is something that the audience of a story perceive due to inconsistant or bad writing. The Game of Thrones suffers from the first reason. In the first seasons it is well established that no character is safe no matter how much the story focusses on that specific character. The initial main character is Ned Stark and he gets beheaded. As the show progresses more characters just seem incapable of dying no matter what foolish actions they take or how grevious the wounds are that they receive. I'm looking at your Arya Stark and John Snow. When a story esteblishes that no character is safe, no matter how big his/her role and then starts to deviate from that established fact with a few it breaks the immersion.
Bleach doesn't have this particulary inconsistency problem. It is very consistent with the fact that the majority of the cast can't die no matter how badly they lose a fight or how injured they are. They always will come back. The problem with bleach is the setup and pay-off. Often these miracules survivals or even victories are achieved by a concept introduced on the spot. An example of this is the fight between Pernida and Mayuri. Mayuri only wins because Pernida ate Nemu who's cells happen to grow out of control if they are disconnected from the brain. The problem is that both the idea of Pernida eating people and the concept of her cells growing out of control without her brain are introduced the moment it is needed. It is not builded up to. That way it always feels rather lackluster as a resolution. Such things will often be percieved as an asspull or deux ex machina because it comes out of thin air. The story does not do the work to build up to the resolution.
I don't think there is a justification for Yhwach leaving Ichigo alive after defeating him in chapter 680, that was pure military grade Plot Armor. If Yhwach can think nothing of killing someone like Haschwalth, then yeah, neither Orihime or Ichigo are walking away from that fight alive. And really, I can stomach the villains holding back from killing the MC for "reasons" only so long before it becomes grating. Ulquiorra holding back and not pulverizing Ichigo head because he is trying to make Ichigo feel despair is acceptable, Aizen holding back and toying with Ichigo makes sense for his character.
But everything in Yhwach character shows he would obliterate both Orihime and Ichigo before moving on to more important things. Hell, Ichibei sent Ichigo to fight Yhwach fully believing Ichigo would die, but he did not care because he could still use Ichigo corpse as the soul king replacement. Ichibei himself expected Yhwach to kill Ichigo. And this means Yhwach had even more of a reason to kill Ichigo and blast his corpse to dust like he did with Yamamoto. With Ichigo dead and gone, Soul society can no longer use him as the soul king replacement.
At end of the day, I know this is a manga for kids, of course Ichigo is not going to die. But this ultimately forces the villains look ineffective or pathetic. Either they are complete jokes like the Espada and can't kill anyone, or they have to hold back and sit around doing nothing or fighting badly like Yhwach and the royal guard, otherwise the shinigamis would lose the war in seconds.
I think I heard people saying ichigo should have died in the ulquiorra fight. Obviously they don't realize that was basically ulquiorra opening up pandoras box when he created that hole. Ichigo was the one keeping it locked up!
How come he couldn't conveniently do that the first time he was killed by Ulquiorra and needed to be healed.
I understand that Yhwach's power itself isnt really plot armor. Him awakening it at that EXACT moment against Ichibe on the other hand... is imo
Orihime: exists solely to heal
Ichigo with a hole through his chest: well I happen to be immortal myself 😎
Bro puts Hinamori to shame for real 😂
I mostly agree except with the Ulquiorra one first off Ulquiorra's statement about ichigo's power was most likely in regards to his base second having a transformation that has no set up and then explaining it later counts as plot armor oh but his make transforms over time until it happens sure but we were never told it would lead up to anything and aside from it there were absolutely no build up
Edit: I forgot about the whole white saying he'll return thing but a little more foreshadowing would have helped
ulquiorra never implied that he meant his base form , white told ichigo that he will take over him if he kept hesitating in battle what do you mean a little more foreshadowing.. he verbatim stated it once and took over his body multiple times before that battle
While I don't think the vasto lorde transformation was plot armor, him being able to turn back without consequences definitely was.
Why should there be any consequences tho it was literally his power taking over and then going back to its original state
@__Kumo because at that point he had a hollow hole. You can say that his hollow can regenerate organs but you can't turn him back and the regrow his heart while he is turned back.
Otherwise Ichigo regrowing organs and limbs should have become a regular occurrence
I really dont get how people ichigo has insane plot armor when most if it is just white acting up, like don’t they realise that white exists, not to mention he was acting up in the first place because ichigo wasn’t accepting him as his inner spirit until TYBW so he was just acting on his own
They aren't entirely ass pulls until full bring, rukia just shows up and gives Ichigo his powers back, and him being a Quincy and then having those powers stolen
With Cour 3 being currently released and being peak so far is not the best time to antagonize the glazzers, with that being said:
Ichigo Vasto Lorde thing: was the form being THAT broken contrived? Yes, but it was forshadowed. What was silly was making Ichigo ALL the races, I don't care for the explanation, because in concept, making your mc everything in your story is silly and gets close to fanfiction level writting. Sadly by the end Ichigo HAS to have all of that going for him not to lose, Aizen was already a problem because he was always pretty much Kubo inside the story, he knows everything, and whatever he needs in the story happends (the whole "Extinguir bs with Yama) and only "gets it wrong" twice, againts Ichigo, cause duh, we can't have the mc losing in the end, and in the White flashback, which actually works in his favor. But to top him was, we have Yuha and his power A, The Asspull, so between him and Aizen is like a "I have the power of the script!" "Well, guess what, I have the power of the script plus infinity no takebacks, so there!". My gripe with Ichigo was that, Kubo making him everything, but sadly, by the end the power scaling is so brokem by the end he CAN'T be anything less to compete. I still love him because he is not "Goku 2.0 happy go lucky goober" and is his own man, but Kubo was checked out at the time with Shonen Jump so the story wasn't the best at the end
3:33 and old man zangetsu clearlybsaid "soul reaper rule mm over many spiritual beings."
Hollow and quincy ARE SPIRITUAL ennities.
i don't believe bleach has plot armor, but i do believe like you've said, it has a problem with trying way too hard to surprise the audience to the point where it starts to become problematic
and i think TYBW arc just dials this up to a billion to the point where i can't feel invested in the story anymore because i simply can't trust what i'm shown
I'm going to make a show where the main character dies half way through. I'll be the first!😂
Do it bro
@X-Axis-c9c move over ichigo, it's that random guy that's been in the back of your classroom the whole time 😂
Isnt that just the last of us 2?
Guys, plot armor is meant to be their, we need plot armor otherwise how will we continue the story without a main character dead, and if we had bad plot armor that means the story will be bad because we have no main character
White said he will intervene
Fr man
he shouldn't die in that moment nor the others a lot of that shit foreshadowed chapters before
people are comparing a fatal injury to a human body there souls and it out right stated that soul bodies are more durable and the higher your reiatsu the more likely it will be for them to survive something fatal to a human body
Did people watch bleach with their eyes and ears closed? I never saw ichigo having plot armor
If the Power system allows it to happen...IS NOT PLOT ARMOUR thats the system....jeez they annoy me
Depends, if some new rule about the power system pops up out of nowhere then its kind of an asspull
No matter bleach is so hard to comprehend for people.. sad tbh
No it's not it's a simple story. The only thing hard to comprehend is fans expecting people to just remember a random statement that has no weight and immediately associate it with what just happened. bleach is not that complex like just because you explain why ichigo is stronger than a guy who one shot him five minutes ago in the most vague way possible doesn't mean I have to like it seriously explaining why ichigo always has a new powe up or why he's two races that are physically impossible to mix doesn't mean I'm obligated to feel satisfied and ichigo being every race wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have the most basic move set in anime history all these powers yet you spamming getsuga tensho if your gonna make a charater with multiple different races give them the powers to match
With the amount of latent he possessed he couldn't have died in hueco mundo
He DID die there. Orihime resurrected him. The only thing she couldn't do was remove the hollow hole from him, and that is because the hollow was part of Ichigo himself - therefore when she tried to reject it from Ichigo, she couldn't.
It wasn't Orihime that resurrected him. She can heal but she can't bring someone back from the dead. It was White/Zangestu who brought him back.
Her sheild of rejection was constantly breaking when she was trying to heal ichigo from death
@@LHellHoundEditz it was orihime that gave him the determination to come back
@@carloskingdomh That doesn't count as her resurrecting him though.
"Hinamori, nuff said" 🤣The real death god, only she has true command over death
ichigo does not really have plot armor at best the amp in his fight against zaraki(even if his heritage was foreshadowed but old man zangetsu suppressing his power was probably not),3 days bankai could be plot armor
Uryu Renji hurts cause of their time together in Hueco Mundo, they would've had each other's back no matter what then😭
Well thanks to all those clearing up the ulquiorra (my favorite character) fight. But STILL... ulqiorra fought the strongest ichigo IMO and he was still throwing hands til the bitter end. No other character outside of aizen/yama could have dealt with white ichigo but ulqui did his fkin job and stood on business. He could have retreated and waited for white to pass out with all that energy being expended it was certainly a very limited time transformation. Then showed up in fake karakura town and cooked everyone with that Segundo. Would have loved to see that 💯 😂😂😂
Its not as big as a deal as u think it is that ulquiorra didn't run, as he literally doesn't have any emotions.
Ulquiorra would've been one shot by yama on the spot tge second he tried to interfere with any captain battles.
If u really wanna use the Term "Plot Armor" for Bleach ? Which is ofc Boderline Insane 😅
It's probably given to Villains instead of the MC, and even that is very Vague take.. Villains are shown, how they did or did not Survive no matter how Small significance their Death Holds.
Infact Every death in the Show is respected with a good screen time so much so that even If That Afro Guy somehow dies, ...Even that would be Mentioned exclusively by Kubo.
If anything Plot Armour is Aginst Bleach Characters (if that makes Sense to u guys?)
Kubo just made Ulquiorra kill Ichi so that he can get the fans to hype out Ulquiorra and make gim the strongest espada ngl
Making Ulquiorra kill ichigo is totally fine tbh , it made the vasto lorde transformation even better imo
@__Kumo My comment was actually just a joke because pf the amount of Ulquiorra glazers there are because their precious bat killed the MC so he overpowers Starkk and Barragan
i dont know, these seem to be reaching to refute plot armor accusations. at end of the day this is a battle shounen (on surface level) so of course it has plot armor, a lot. but what people expect, the MC to die in 3 chapters? this is one of the few times when i dont mind plot armor too much, but it definetly exists
I Disagree about Ichigo Surviving the Hole in his chest that vaporized his heart, cmon... at this point he is pretty much imortal if even Orihime's powers couldnt bring him back and hi did it by himself this is plot armor for me.
And Ichigo Against Aizen is kinda bullshit too cuz ichigo Strength level go from being defeated by Gin (easily) for being the strongest beeing that we ever saw to that point in the anime/mangá, you could say that he was training in a dimension where the times go slower or something but man this is a shitty excuse for this imense level up, and even after "sacrificing" his reiatsu to use the Mugetsu Getsuga Tenshou or whatever all it takes to bring it back is everyone to give him a pat in the back, thats bullshit.
I love Bleach, i rly do but there are 2 characters that always pull some bullshit to win their fights, 1: Mayuri,The Deus ex machina god (but he is not thaaaat bad)and 2: Ichigo, The God of plot armor.
defeated by gin "easily"
yeah you skimmed over the series bro cuz aint no way you said this shit 😭
@@__Kumo man just go watch the fight, gin baraly has some bruisers and is speaking normaly and calm. if you compare the grimmjow fight (the last one) you'll see that there are moments that one is ahead dominating the fight and then the other take the lead, but gin vs ichigo gin was always ahead, that is a easy fight it doesnt mean that gin was holding back, but i didnt saw gin use the techinique that he used agains Aizen either so... Yeah i would say was easy. but hey im not the avatar of truth you can tell me why you think it wasnt easy.
how is vasto lord a plot armor? white literally said that if ichigo ever died he will take over his body.
Y’all keep in mind that everything before ichigos fight with aizen was apart of aizens plan not even that is plot armor. Sasuke surviving deidara and danzos nuke is plot armor and byakuya still being alive after as nodt made him his bitch is plot armor. oh here’s a very good guy after his fight with madara is the best plot armor all of Naruto.
Actually lillie destroyed their power source. The reason why survived cause he was too strong and so accurate they did die or bleed to death.
Rukia the embodiment of plot armor she literally deadweight in the series. Also have absolutely no reason for her to train with squad zero and zero relevant in TYBW. She should die when meninas attack her because of her own stupidity
Say thesame for Byakuya against As nodt, Ichigo against Ulquoirra, and many others
Saying plot armor just proves you never finished or understood the series
great analysis
thats what happens when Zangetsu becomes the goat
Ichigos f8ght with ulqiurra was for plot development
Oh, i thought another video slandering bleach without understanding it but 10sec in its safe to say you are here to bust those baseless slander.
I havnt watched video, i might be wrong, so let me watch and see where it take us.
It's not plot armor it's lazy writing. This is something bleach excels in and is glorified for. Shock value is cool but a better setup would be a much better payoff.
Ichigo did indeed die, the Shinigami survived Fake Karakura but not the Quincy invasion. Plot armor only works if you make it out completely unscathed.
Kubo generally uses "fatal" looking injuries as a shock factor also on many occasions the injuries are being shown to give a feeling to the "reader" about the strength of the attack. Bleach is a manga after all, with very complex power system. Readers need visual clues to understand the strength of the characters or their attacks. On one page Ichigo can't even cut Zaraki with his sword, on another page Unohana cuts Zaraki's throat like a butter. Those are all there to show/give clues to the reader about character strengths. @__Kumo i am sorry to say that in my opinion you did know such reactions may come to the video when you decide to put a caption like that. I am also guessing u were expecting those reactions just for the caption. You are a content creator after all and you took your attention. My question is why are u so harsh ("before commenting any dumb shit") to people in this context? Im sorry if im guessing wrong.
some people were hating on the video without watching saying that i should watch bleach before saying that bleach has a plot armor problem.. something i clearly never said , as a matter of fact this video is refuting this claim so how can they dislike the video and call it trash while they actually agree with the point that i am making
its not plot armor for ichigo any chance ichigo is weak white was going to pop out and take over obviously to protect ichigo and aizen stopped bros sword with one finger AND stopped his theme song.
Plot armor... No ichigo was just holding back for ulquiorra sake. Look what happened when ulquiorra messed with uryu and Ichigo girl. Hollow ichigo had his foot on ulquiorra fodder skull.
No it was plot armor sped
cope and seeth,
Everyone has plot armor tf 😂
no
amazing analysis
Ichigo did die......Which allowed the Hollow to fully manifest. Did yall get your education from RUclips Shorts or something?
@kumo I've been checking out a few of your bleach videos and I was wondering if you'd be interested in giving your thoughts on some critiques I have on the show? I could be wrong, but it seems as if you've genuinely never heard strong arguments against bleach.
Feel free to criticize whatever you want
@@__Kumo if it's too much trouble then don't worry about it but i wanted to get your thoughts on a video. would you be interested?
@@sigfreed1737comment down the link
@@__Kumo ruclips.net/video/dR20qoFY8Ic/видео.htmlsi=e_divZadTbpFNGLi
@@__Kumo lmao "strong arguements" and its all just bs after bs takes from a bleach hater. Would surely like a video debunking all of it.
Blah blah blah these were some of the best moments in anime history
great vid
Ichigo and his huzz
I have a question? Why Bleach characters aren't as destructive in fights compare to One piece or Naruto?
They are tho? I've never seen op but its defo on naruto's side
Because there’s an emphasis on controlling your power on bleach hence why they wear seals in the world of the living, even villains like arrancars wouldn’t go all out in their own territory. Also they are essentially ghost who directly attack each others souls so there’s no need for a ton of aoe type of destruction
Probably cause none of the characters want to destroy all of the worlds.
In Bleach they have powers that could destroy the universes they exist in, but obviously they want to protect those places and not damage them too much. For that reason they concentrate and suppress their abilities. Ichigo's dad explains at one point that if captain level soul reapers didn't suppress their powers their swords would be taller than buildings. They even put on seals to lessen their power when in the human world, and Squad Zero seals their powers behind the lives of it's members.
It's iterated over and over again that having power on that scale is largely useless and that true power tends to be in the ability to control and condense energy.
Even so, several characters are not allowed to use their most powerful abilities due to the scale of what they would affect--this is something that the Narita novel, Spirits Are Always With You, explores. In BLEACH's own publication, though, we see Yamamoto not use Bankai against Aizen largely because it would result in killing everyone in Karakura along with his subordinate shinigami.
Destructive scale is a pretty bizarre standard to hold for considering the power of anything, anyway, and I found that Naruto trending towards such large-scale destructive techniques felt really lame for a series that was supposed to be about Ninja. Even in something like Dragonball, there's only so much someone can say "AND THIS ATTACK WILL DESTROY THE PLANET" before I start rolling my eyes.
Yhwach has the strongest plot armor change my mind
Aizen has the thickest plot armor in the history of fiction.