Can you imagine if ichibe didn't hide yhwach real name, ichigo would have been shouting yhwach name everytime, meanwhile soul society would be scared of ichigo lol
I have a feeling that the head captain would get heavily involved with that name getting thrown around because of the officers hearing ichigo say that name
There's also when in the society arc Aizen says "No one stood at the top from the beginning. Neither you, nor I, nor the gods" and the paneling suggests he's directly addressing Ukitake as he says this, foreshadowing Ukitake's connection to Mimihagi
You forgot the quincy forshadowing of old’man intervening during the battle with kenpachi. He took ichigo into the shadows(which only the chosen ones can of the quincy). And used blut vene to heal his wounds. I always wondered how he healed, because no other shinigami did before and after. Not without inoue or squad 4
oh good one also is when old man zangetsu always says ,,i hate rain, it gets so lonely here when it rains,, etc. i think its foreshadowing for ywach using his power when he kills allmost all his comrades, every time he uses it reishy rains as all of them die and he is alone in the rain. just like old man zangetsu hates it.
Also during the Kenpachi fight Old Man Zangetsu uses a techniche to hold back Ichigo's wounds from losing blood, he even mentions that he can't keep it up for long. This could be some sort of Blut Vene which he could slightly tap into thanks to his quincy powers manifesting and controlling themselves as the old man
There is one more foreshadowing for Yachiru. After defeating Ikkaku in SS arc, while waiting beside him, Ichigo realised shikai will returned to basic zanpakto if the wielder unconscious while not holding it. Later there was a manga panel , where Hisagi presented the monthly bulletin to Ukitake and reported on Kenpachi still asleep while Yachiru nowhere can be found. It's a foreshadowing on Yachiru's true nature
The troubles with Ginjo also foreshadowed the later troubles with the nobles and their paranoia, particularly the Tsunayashiro who orchestrated the whole incident and drove Ginjo to mad vengeance. Ironically the very first Xcution members who were murdered merely wanted their powers removed in order to return to normalcy, Soul Society had nothing to fear from them.
When old man zangetsu told him to find the box which had the sword by finding the red ribbon, we can see that there where other white boxes. And if you go back to see the other chapters when ichigo was using the ability to track souls as rukia told him ishida (a quincy) had a white box that represented his soul. So (idk if I'm reaching) ichigo right then and was shown to be a quincy since his world was filled with white ribbons. That were attached to his white box that represented his quincy blood. Kubo is wild.
Wait, aren't spirit ribbons white by default? Only a soul reaper's ribbons were shown to be a different colour (red). Everyone else that ISN'T a soul reaper has a white spirit ribbon so idk how this foreshadows ichigo being a quincy.
@@Wid21425 No, Spirit ribbons are the visualization of one's spirit energy in the form of a ribbon. If you have a soul, you have spirit energy, and if you have spirit energy, you have a spirit ribbon. It's not something you're given, it's something you have. You don't need to be spiritually aware to have a spirit ribbon, just spirit energy, which every being (Physical or Spiritual) has because they have a soul. You only need to be spiritually aware for it to be possible to visualize and touch a spirit ribbon. Whether the spiritually aware individual can do it or not depends on their skill, as detecting spirit ribbons is said to be a high level technique by the shinigami. Only soul reapers have differently coloured ribbons (Red). Every other being has a white spirit ribbon. That's it. Anything else like quincies, hollows and fullbringers having differently coloured ribbons like soul reapers is pure headcanon and hypothesis as there's no evidence in the manga that supports that claim. So yeah, that moment where Ichigo is surrounded by white spirit ribbons isn't a moment of foreshadowing for Ichigo's quincy heritage due to white ribbons being the colour for any being that isn't a soul reaper. These white ribbons are meant to represent his humanity while the single red ribbon is meant to represent his dormant soul reaper powers.
There's also this instance where Yachiru disappears from the soul society entirely when Kenpachi was knocked out cold. This also foreshadows how she is his zanpakuto as Ichigo learned during his fight with Ikkaku that all zanpakuto's return to their normal form if their owner is unconscious.
Dont forget Isshin & Ryuken conversation after Isshin let himself into Ryuken's property. This proves that both Dad's had a history, & knew each other. 👍
Urahara needed ichigo and rukia during the menos grande. Knowing the the hogyuôku was in her gigai to help progress ichigo development. Uryu asks ichigo how he delt with hollows if he has shit control of his SP and he says "instinct" uryubis surprised. And then go on to say "if ichigo sp is full blast,if he can control to a point and discharge it, it would be able to destory the menos. Which is a GETSUGA..also when ichigo was about to slice it. The cero turn from black to white ish..quite cool
And then u get idiots that say the fans said it and kubo just went along which is super dumb cus kubo made the manga why woukd he just agree the stupidity ichibei knows all names and controls all name it makes perfect sense
and people really say Kubo just went along the way however he felt at that time, not understanding that for so many concepts to be in your manga/anime you need to make so many side arcs to get them all invovled properly.
Foreshadowing and retcons are different things. Bleach was a simpler story at the beginning and it complexified over time, just like any story that's told over a decade and a half would do. Kubo had no idea he would bring back the concept of quincies for a last arc back then and he did everything he could to make his new story elements fit in the narrative. It's clumsy at times but in the end you can always say "ok, why not. I'm sure I can make it somewhat work in my mind". That's just how this manga is built and that's ok. As I've said, the story was simpler in the first few volumes. Ichigo turned into a semi-hollow because his chains was completely devoured before he could regain his shinigami powers and he could not hear Zangestu's name because he was not ready to at the time. I'm not trying to bash Kubo or anything but people have to get real at some point. There wasn't a 15 years long plan in Bleach. The genius of Kubo's writing is basically to often make a character say something like "because you are...", not finishing their sentence, then coming back to it a hundred chapters later to make it look like some insane foreshadowing. 😒 That being said, a few things were trully foreshadowed in the manga. Gin being ultimately an enemy of Aizen, Yachiru being Zaracki's zampakuto, Ichigo's mom death hiding some secret and Kaien being related to Ichigo in some capacity (he was probably just his reincarnation or something in Kubo's mind, at first), those were all things the author left open pretty soon and he came back to them pretty organically later because of it. Some other ideas were just scrapped along the way. Isshin losing his powers because of the final Getsuga tensho was heavily implied for a few years but Kubo left that idea in the end, for instance.
I agree with you generally, but you also should recognize that there are core elements he did have in mind. Not the Arrancar, but certainly Ichigo's heritage.
@@MatthewKelley-mq4ce well, depends on what you call "Ichigo's heritage". Kubo decided pretty late to bring back the Quincies as the final vilains (or at all) so I wouldn't be so sure he was certain to make Masaki a Quincy that soon in his writing. Quincies were not known to use shadows and blood powers before the TYBW and by that time Kubo had already decided that Old man Zangetsu was a form of Ywach so he recontextualized previous fights of Ichigo using his knew ideas but that doesn't mean Ichigo was a half quincy from the start.
@@OleusUlqiuorra mentioned that Ichigo has been absorbing Reishi from surroundings during their battle, and the only race that can do that are Quincies. So I'm pretty sure it has already been planned ahead of time.
Also, you're making it look like mangakas just started creating works without outlines. Writing an outline is basic writing101 for writers, or else they would have to reread their work just to make sure they won't make any contradictions. Why do you think Oda was considered one of the greatest mangaka when it comes to foreshadowing? You think he just went along with it? Reread his work and thought, 'oh, i can use this' and proceed with the story? Bruh, if he did that every time he wouldn't even be able to finish a chapter in a week
@@vexedeffect6784yeah that and not to mention ichigo after absorbing rukias reiatsu gets a sword out of nowhere. This is definitely a Quincy thing to create constructs out of reishi like weapons. Uryu also does this in his fight with Mayuri and he also creates reishi arrows. This also is a clear connection to ichigo being a Quincy.
There's one more you didn't notice and no one else is talking about. When ichigo asked old man about his name he questioned ichigo in a manner that ichigo should know him he replied It's me
People love to take the Zangetsu name blackout out of context. OMZ says he's "Zangetsu" a couple of pages or chapters later, and later apologizes for lying. That scene exists because Ichigo was not ready to hear the name of his Zanpakuto. BOTH OMZ and White are Ichigo's Zanpakutos, as Ichigo said. Also Aizen meant that Ichigo is a human and a SOUL REAPER. Quincies are HUMAN it makes no sense that people are assuming Aizen wanted to say he's a quincy.
@@__Kumo Go read that chapter / volume again, you'll see OMZ telling Ichigo to say "his name" and then Ichigo says Zangetsu. In context it has nothing to do with Yhwach, it's probably just a coincidence. Kubo did a lot of foreshadowing, but he also obviously didn't plan the whole plot from the beginning. The biggest proof of that is the Soul King having his arms and legs when he was introduced. I'm a fan of Bleach, but that doesn't mean everything is foreshadowing and that the plot has no issues sometimes
@@khazraamv743 oh yeaaa , ofcourse he did, remember how half the points in the story were literally ripped apart because of war arc (Example - Tobi and madara thingy) only foreshadowing i can say is probably true is minato not being ressuracted in chunnin exam and the guy who was the son of kaguya (forgot name) was kinda foreshadowed by the toad. Naruto was literally called nobody in og series and it was his chadacter and then , he became everything... NEJI WAS RIGHT! Also , kishimoto said (Hopefully not mistranslating) "Naruto shipudden was not planned , it was gonna be about saving sasuke"
@@Imperialmonke oh remember how he literally had all seven Warlords hold swords when jonny (or other guy) was talking? Oda has story planned out but not the characters and just thought they all will be like mihawk. From sbs and interviews i can figure out he didn't thought one piece will last this long. Most of foreshadowing is only the ideas oda originally came up with.
This bus the most not real thing that I absolutely hate about the bleach universe and fandom, THIS IS NOT FORSHADOWING BECAUSE KUBO HAD NOT CREATE YWACH, ICHIBEI OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH TYBW! It’s a retcon ffs
For 500 chapters, Kubo had tactically avoided ever having Old Man Zangetsu ever call himself Zangetsu. The design choices are far too intentional and specific to be a mere retcon. Additionally, the quincy via Uryu predate any formal depiction of Soul Society in the series. Yes, it's true we can't *truly* know with absolute certainty what's foreshadowing and what's a retcon, but it's simplistic pessimism to dismiss it all as retcons.
Can you imagine if ichibe didn't hide yhwach real name, ichigo would have been shouting yhwach name everytime, meanwhile soul society would be scared of ichigo lol
I have a feeling that the head captain would get heavily involved with that name getting thrown around because of the officers hearing ichigo say that name
I mean if you actually think about it. He'd have gone down a different path entirely. No Shinigami powers, no inner hollow. At least not for a while.
There's also when in the society arc Aizen says "No one stood at the top from the beginning. Neither you, nor I, nor the gods" and the paneling suggests he's directly addressing Ukitake as he says this, foreshadowing Ukitake's connection to Mimihagi
bleach's foreshadowing is really underrated fr
The Isshin and Ryoken connection it's amazing. I never thought of that
You forgot the quincy forshadowing of old’man intervening during the battle with kenpachi. He took ichigo into the shadows(which only the chosen ones can of the quincy). And used blut vene to heal his wounds. I always wondered how he healed, because no other shinigami did before and after. Not without inoue or squad 4
The yhwach foreshadowing is a masterpiece when u slow it anime u can hear yhwach spelling
oh good one also is when old man zangetsu always says ,,i hate rain, it gets so lonely here when it rains,, etc. i think its foreshadowing for ywach using his power when he kills allmost all his comrades, every time he uses it reishy rains as all of them die and he is alone in the rain. just like old man zangetsu hates it.
They’re not going to mention this when they talk about bleach, good job for pointing these out
Also during the Kenpachi fight Old Man Zangetsu uses a techniche to hold back Ichigo's wounds from losing blood, he even mentions that he can't keep it up for long. This could be some sort of Blut Vene which he could slightly tap into thanks to his quincy powers manifesting and controlling themselves as the old man
and people say Bleach's writing is weak smh
There is one more foreshadowing for Yachiru. After defeating Ikkaku in SS arc, while waiting beside him, Ichigo realised shikai will returned to basic zanpakto if the wielder unconscious while not holding it. Later there was a manga panel , where Hisagi presented the monthly bulletin to Ukitake and reported on Kenpachi still asleep while Yachiru nowhere can be found. It's a foreshadowing on Yachiru's true nature
The troubles with Ginjo also foreshadowed the later troubles with the nobles and their paranoia, particularly the Tsunayashiro who orchestrated the whole incident and drove Ginjo to mad vengeance. Ironically the very first Xcution members who were murdered merely wanted their powers removed in order to return to normalcy, Soul Society had nothing to fear from them.
When old man zangetsu told him to find the box which had the sword by finding the red ribbon, we can see that there where other white boxes. And if you go back to see the other chapters when ichigo was using the ability to track souls as rukia told him ishida (a quincy) had a white box that represented his soul.
So (idk if I'm reaching) ichigo right then and was shown to be a quincy since his world was filled with white ribbons. That were attached to his white box that represented his quincy blood.
Kubo is wild.
Wait, aren't spirit ribbons white by default? Only a soul reaper's ribbons were shown to be a different colour (red). Everyone else that ISN'T a soul reaper has a white spirit ribbon so idk how this foreshadows ichigo being a quincy.
@@blacktack7918 they are given to only spiritually aware ppl since he could feel hollows rukia and ishida
@@Wid21425 No, Spirit ribbons are the visualization of one's spirit energy in the form of a ribbon. If you have a soul, you have spirit energy, and if you have spirit energy, you have a spirit ribbon. It's not something you're given, it's something you have. You don't need to be spiritually aware to have a spirit ribbon, just spirit energy, which every being (Physical or Spiritual) has because they have a soul.
You only need to be spiritually aware for it to be possible to visualize and touch a spirit ribbon. Whether the spiritually aware individual can do it or not depends on their skill, as detecting spirit ribbons is said to be a high level technique by the shinigami.
Only soul reapers have differently coloured ribbons (Red). Every other being has a white spirit ribbon. That's it. Anything else like quincies, hollows and fullbringers having differently coloured ribbons like soul reapers is pure headcanon and hypothesis as there's no evidence in the manga that supports that claim.
So yeah, that moment where Ichigo is surrounded by white spirit ribbons isn't a moment of foreshadowing for Ichigo's quincy heritage due to white ribbons being the colour for any being that isn't a soul reaper. These white ribbons are meant to represent his humanity while the single red ribbon is meant to represent his dormant soul reaper powers.
8:37 I don’t remember Shinji saying that😭😂
4:02 Kenpachi's hair looking goofy asf💀💀
There's also this instance where Yachiru disappears from the soul society entirely when Kenpachi was knocked out cold. This also foreshadows how she is his zanpakuto as Ichigo learned during his fight with Ikkaku that all zanpakuto's return to their normal form if their owner is unconscious.
Dont forget Isshin & Ryuken conversation after Isshin let himself into Ryuken's property. This proves that both Dad's had a history, & knew each other. 👍
Urahara needed ichigo and rukia during the menos grande. Knowing the the hogyuôku was in her gigai to help progress ichigo development. Uryu asks ichigo how he delt with hollows if he has shit control of his SP and he says "instinct" uryubis surprised. And then go on to say "if ichigo sp is full blast,if he can control to a point and discharge it, it would be able to destory the menos. Which is a GETSUGA..also when ichigo was about to slice it. The cero turn from black to white ish..quite cool
Kubo is goated 🐐
And then u get idiots that say the fans said it and kubo just went along which is super dumb cus kubo made the manga why woukd he just agree the stupidity ichibei knows all names and controls all name it makes perfect sense
and people really say Kubo just went along the way however he felt at that time, not understanding that for so many concepts to be in your manga/anime you need to make so many side arcs to get them all invovled properly.
Foreshadowing and retcons are different things. Bleach was a simpler story at the beginning and it complexified over time, just like any story that's told over a decade and a half would do. Kubo had no idea he would bring back the concept of quincies for a last arc back then and he did everything he could to make his new story elements fit in the narrative. It's clumsy at times but in the end you can always say "ok, why not. I'm sure I can make it somewhat work in my mind". That's just how this manga is built and that's ok.
As I've said, the story was simpler in the first few volumes. Ichigo turned into a semi-hollow because his chains was completely devoured before he could regain his shinigami powers and he could not hear Zangestu's name because he was not ready to at the time.
I'm not trying to bash Kubo or anything but people have to get real at some point. There wasn't a 15 years long plan in Bleach. The genius of Kubo's writing is basically to often make a character say something like "because you are...", not finishing their sentence, then coming back to it a hundred chapters later to make it look like some insane foreshadowing. 😒
That being said, a few things were trully foreshadowed in the manga. Gin being ultimately an enemy of Aizen, Yachiru being Zaracki's zampakuto, Ichigo's mom death hiding some secret and Kaien being related to Ichigo in some capacity (he was probably just his reincarnation or something in Kubo's mind, at first), those were all things the author left open pretty soon and he came back to them pretty organically later because of it.
Some other ideas were just scrapped along the way. Isshin losing his powers because of the final Getsuga tensho was heavily implied for a few years but Kubo left that idea in the end, for instance.
I agree with you generally, but you also should recognize that there are core elements he did have in mind. Not the Arrancar, but certainly Ichigo's heritage.
@@MatthewKelley-mq4ce well, depends on what you call "Ichigo's heritage". Kubo decided pretty late to bring back the Quincies as the final vilains (or at all) so I wouldn't be so sure he was certain to make Masaki a Quincy that soon in his writing.
Quincies were not known to use shadows and blood powers before the TYBW and by that time Kubo had already decided that Old man Zangetsu was a form of Ywach so he recontextualized previous fights of Ichigo using his knew ideas but that doesn't mean Ichigo was a half quincy from the start.
@@OleusUlqiuorra mentioned that Ichigo has been absorbing Reishi from surroundings during their battle, and the only race that can do that are Quincies. So I'm pretty sure it has already been planned ahead of time.
Also, you're making it look like mangakas just started creating works without outlines. Writing an outline is basic writing101 for writers, or else they would have to reread their work just to make sure they won't make any contradictions.
Why do you think Oda was considered one of the greatest mangaka when it comes to foreshadowing? You think he just went along with it? Reread his work and thought, 'oh, i can use this' and proceed with the story? Bruh, if he did that every time he wouldn't even be able to finish a chapter in a week
@@vexedeffect6784yeah that and not to mention ichigo after absorbing rukias reiatsu gets a sword out of nowhere.
This is definitely a Quincy thing to create constructs out of reishi like weapons. Uryu also does this in his fight with Mayuri and he also creates reishi arrows.
This also is a clear connection to ichigo being a Quincy.
the first one i wuld belive is a forshadowing to the fathere being like teh husband to a quincy
There's one more you didn't notice and no one else is talking about.
When ichigo asked old man about his name he questioned ichigo in a manner that ichigo should know him he replied
It's me
That sounds fucking terrible
i am preety excited for comments on this video
Genius*
Hey bro don't tell me you got the inspiration for this video from my comment on the last one 😮
Were you the guy that commented about the isshin and ryuken scene , if yes.. you definitely did 🤣
@@__Kumo ummm...I am the one who commented about zaraki's sword and yachiru being stained with blood indicating the were the same entity
People love to take the Zangetsu name blackout out of context. OMZ says he's "Zangetsu" a couple of pages or chapters later, and later apologizes for lying. That scene exists because Ichigo was not ready to hear the name of his Zanpakuto. BOTH OMZ and White are Ichigo's Zanpakutos, as Ichigo said.
Also Aizen meant that Ichigo is a human and a SOUL REAPER. Quincies are HUMAN it makes no sense that people are assuming Aizen wanted to say he's a quincy.
You make absolutely zero sense
@@__Kumo Go read that chapter / volume again, you'll see OMZ telling Ichigo to say "his name" and then Ichigo says Zangetsu. In context it has nothing to do with Yhwach, it's probably just a coincidence. Kubo did a lot of foreshadowing, but he also obviously didn't plan the whole plot from the beginning. The biggest proof of that is the Soul King having his arms and legs when he was introduced. I'm a fan of Bleach, but that doesn't mean everything is foreshadowing and that the plot has no issues sometimes
Aizen was referring to his mother in that specific scene.
also wasn't it confirmed or something that ichibei was involved in sealing yhwach's name?
@@kama3034 it was confirmed by kubo in klub outside that it was indeed blacked out by ichibei
@@kama3034 klub outside question 117
GENUIS?
Kubo knew atleast main points of story , oda knew what he was doing and Kishimoto... Oh uhhhh
His editor did most of the job ngl 😂 the fact that it was his editors idea to include sasuke into story
@@mufeezsyed2664I mean oda added the supernova last minute
You watched naruto with your eyes closed if you think it didn't have foreshadowing (you're a one piece fan so that may be very well the case)
@@khazraamv743 oh yeaaa , ofcourse he did, remember how half the points in the story were literally ripped apart because of war arc (Example - Tobi and madara thingy) only foreshadowing i can say is probably true is minato not being ressuracted in chunnin exam and the guy who was the son of kaguya (forgot name) was kinda foreshadowed by the toad. Naruto was literally called nobody in og series and it was his chadacter and then , he became everything... NEJI WAS RIGHT! Also , kishimoto said (Hopefully not mistranslating) "Naruto shipudden was not planned , it was gonna be about saving sasuke"
@@Imperialmonke oh remember how he literally had all seven Warlords hold swords when jonny (or other guy) was talking? Oda has story planned out but not the characters and just thought they all will be like mihawk. From sbs and interviews i can figure out he didn't thought one piece will last this long. Most of foreshadowing is only the ideas oda originally came up with.
This bus the most not real thing that I absolutely hate about the bleach universe and fandom, THIS IS NOT FORSHADOWING BECAUSE KUBO HAD NOT CREATE YWACH, ICHIBEI OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH TYBW! It’s a retcon ffs
For 500 chapters, Kubo had tactically avoided ever having Old Man Zangetsu ever call himself Zangetsu. The design choices are far too intentional and specific to be a mere retcon. Additionally, the quincy via Uryu predate any formal depiction of Soul Society in the series.
Yes, it's true we can't *truly* know with absolute certainty what's foreshadowing and what's a retcon, but it's simplistic pessimism to dismiss it all as retcons.
Half of this isn't foreshadowing and the rest is subtle as a brick to the head.
Sure. Still cool to see old stuff with the lens of the future narrative.
That's the whole point.
Kubos writing is subtle as hell. Also most of this is clear foreshadowing.