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🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌱💚 I am so glad that you mentioned not mixing the pre-germinated seed with Milorganite. I have used Milorganite and it all turns to mold every time, so I stopped using it all together. I am in zone 9b, about a mile inland from the Oregon Coast, so possibly Milorganite might not mold in hotter climates. Thank you for the excellent information!
Agree on dormant seeding! Also funny how many lawn advice people from the US neglect/ignore their brothers across the northern border. I live in the Edmonton area in Alberta and I stop all overseeding by Mid August.
Since starting this channel I have has interacted with several Canadians. Regulations on pesticides are much more restrictive there. Would like to know ever more. Perhaps this winter will look more into it. I am thinking about a Canadian video not only to help folks there but let folks know how the laws differ. I would also like to know why that is as well. Is a cultural thing or are the soils or water table different so the restrictions are required. Its interesting.
Thanks for the info, Greg. I'm outside of Chicago and we had August temps thru September so I waited until this past weekend to overseed and I went all out. I mowed low, scarified/dethatched, spread the seed, added Milorganite, top dressed with topsoil and some compost and finally, sprayed Tenacity. I'm watering three times a day but I'm concerned that some of our recent nightly temps were in the low 40's. I heard that next week, some areas might see frost. Should I be worried?
Not really the big thing is soil temperatures. So long as you are above 60 you should be fine. It has been a tough late summer and fall for seeding. I seeded my and one other yard in my overseeding video in late August and had no rain and 90 degree temps for the first two weeks. With much watering it worked out tho. As far as your situation, if you are thin just check the soil temps. Need to seed now can do some pre-germination or just wait until spring put an application of mesotrione out and seed again any thin areas that dont suit you. Obviously skip any pre-emergent aps until then. Use the "spring program" I went over in the video you should be good to go.
Great stuff Greg. Do you have any pregermination experience with gibberellic acid? I have a few thin spots where my overseeding didn’t come up as anticipated and thinking of experimenting with a 1000ppm concentration in my buckets. I have 90% coverage so not the worst thing if I screw things up because it’s left over seed that I kept in reserve. If you do have experience, any tips?
I have seen a few publications, usually gibberellic acid in the water. If memory serves, that is the enzyme that actually initiates germination. So the theory is adding it to the water, actually enhances the pre-germination effect. I thought about mentioning it, but it is very difficult to find. Also Michigan State didn't mention it and it's publication. So I stuck with what they recommended and what I have done in the past. Adding Jibri like acid is worth a shot and couldn't hurt.
@@GregPhillips.22 exactly right. Gibberellins are hormones that control various processes, including growth and germination. If I end up experimenting, I’ll report back my findings. Won’t be able to do a robust experiment with various ppm concentrations, but hopefully I can get some learnings.
please do. I am going to start encouraging folks to comment more in my videos so everyone can get some of my viewers experience, products that worked, did not work as well.
Im in Virginia ended up having to do a dethach today cause i had some dead spots from fungus. My lawn was looking good before the fungus hit now it needs a overseed. I have a 90/10 tttf/kbg blend on hand but i dont want to take the chance. Ill be ordering some tttf and putting it down this week. My temps are still 60-75.
I am only one state over and likely higher elevation and still can seed here. Out biggest limitation this fall has been lack of rain. You should be fine. May want to keep a pound or two back in case you need to so some follow uo seeding in spring.
@@GregPhillips.22 thanks that's what I figured. I'll be ordering some gci tttf or super truff 1 from united seeds tonight. The section ill be doing is only 1k sq ft.
Ok quick question. Let’s assume you do some dormant seeding in the late fall or early winter and the next spring it looks like the seed is germinating as hoped. Can you still apply a pre-emergent fertilizer in the spring (before soil temps reach 55) like you normally would? Or is that off limits now given the new grass coming in? Thank you
Most if not all pre emergent herbicides want the seeing to be at the second root stage before a pre emergent application is made. Other labels say second mowing. I wound be a little careful to be sure the seedling was mature matching the same color and close to the same size as the surrounding grass. Barricade (Prodiamine) is one I like in the spring and I don't think it is as hard on turf as other pre emergent herbicides.
Thanks, Greg for the content. Much appreciated. I'm in the cool season zone. I've been facing a lot of mole activity since seeding & watering. I did 2x spring and late 2x fall preventative grub split applications. I still have some grub damage. Do you have a way to suppress worms and move them lower? I heard of a product called Sea 3 that might work. Will sand help suppress the worms?
Not familiar with sea3. The bioadvanced 24 hr grub control or Dylox are good "knock downs" for active grubs. Good news is they will be overwintering soon. I had some grubs in the "spot treat" yard in my overseeding video. I did not put anything down. So far so good. Will look up sea 3. Thanks the for heads up on it!! I actually have a grub control video if you want to check it out. ruclips.net/video/Wlc-xI31kBo/видео.htmlsi=tYs-8tmqONNAQADd
@@GregPhillips.22 Thanks for the reply. Sea 3 helps with worm castings. I heard that knocking down the food sources of earthworms & grubs for moles will minimize surface activity.
I’m experimenting this year doing some patch repairs. I just filled patches last weekend, and so far no germination with my PR and TTTF. The nights have been in the high 30s and 40s but the days have been in mid 70s. The soil has been around 65 degrees, so idk why I’m not getting germination.
One of the tough things this fall at least in the east coast is it's very very dry. The seeding I did in my overseeding video I did in late August. A little early than I should have to get the video out before the season. That being said I have had to aggressively water the seed I put down to get it to pop. I have a couple of small areas I am going to revisit in the spring when I hopefully we will get some steady precipitation. You should be OK with PR and TTTF. Just keep them moist and you should get some germination.
I’ve cut my lawn down low and dethatched 2 days ago. I did have a lot of crabgrass in the lawn before the cut and dethatching. Is it too late to kill off the whole lawn and seed for a new lawn in Ohio zone 6?
We are in the same zone so likely we are having the same weather. What I wound so since it is a little late. Not do a complete renovation. Apply tenacity, aerify if you can and overseed. Here is my overseeding video. I give some recommendations on seed varieties you can use.ruclips.net/video/_9JsNhnQS-c/видео.htmlsi=-h3wiHTwDdiARlrX
I have lots of red sorrel in my back yard. I put down lime 3 weeks ago. I’m in zone 6b CT. Any suggestions on how to kill this weed and can I still seed this season?
@@GregPhillips.22 I have a mantis tiller/ dethatcher & aerator, hose end sprayer, and hand held and rotary seeder. As well as several hand tools ( if that’s what you are asking)
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🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌱💚 I am so glad that you mentioned not mixing the pre-germinated seed with Milorganite. I have used Milorganite and it all turns to mold every time, so I stopped using it all together.
I am in zone 9b, about a mile inland from the Oregon Coast, so possibly Milorganite might not mold in hotter climates.
Thank you for the excellent information!
🌱🌱🌱Also, I pull the pre-germinated seed clumps apart by hand, and then mix it with topsoil (from a bag), and it spreads (by hand) nicely. 🌱🌱🌱
Thanks for the kind words and watching. Share with friends or on your social media if it helped you! 😀
Agree on dormant seeding! Also funny how many lawn advice people from the US neglect/ignore their brothers across the northern border. I live in the Edmonton area in Alberta and I stop all overseeding by Mid August.
Since starting this channel I have has interacted with several Canadians. Regulations on pesticides are much more restrictive there. Would like to know ever more. Perhaps this winter will look more into it. I am thinking about a Canadian video not only to help folks there but let folks know how the laws differ. I would also like to know why that is as well. Is a cultural thing or are the soils or water table different so the restrictions are required. Its interesting.
Thanks for sharing your extensive experience and knowledge!
Happy to help. Nearing retirement, started the channel to help DIY folks.
Thanks. Interesting video. I'm in Wisconsin. I've used the Speedzone herbicide. It works amazingly well.
Thanks for the feedback. Good to know others are seeing the same results I have had.
This was very informative. Thank you for sharing indeed!
thanks!! I appreciate it. Share my vids on social media or friends if it will help folks. That is the goal of my channel!!
Thanks for the info, Greg. I'm outside of Chicago and we had August temps thru September so I waited until this past weekend to overseed and I went all out. I mowed low, scarified/dethatched, spread the seed, added Milorganite, top dressed with topsoil and some compost and finally, sprayed Tenacity. I'm watering three times a day but I'm concerned that some of our recent nightly temps were in the low 40's. I heard that next week, some areas might see frost. Should I be worried?
Not really the big thing is soil temperatures. So long as you are above 60 you should be fine. It has been a tough late summer and fall for seeding. I seeded my and one other yard in my overseeding video in late August and had no rain and 90 degree temps for the first two weeks. With much watering it worked out tho. As far as your situation, if you are thin just check the soil temps. Need to seed now can do some pre-germination or just wait until spring put an application of mesotrione out and seed again any thin areas that dont suit you. Obviously skip any pre-emergent aps until then. Use the "spring program" I went over in the video you should be good to go.
Hey Greg, lots of great info. Thanks for sharing your expertise! Can’t find the Poa control video. Can you post a link in the comments?
Here ya go! Poa Annua control in home lawns. How to kill this stubborn weed.
ruclips.net/video/x7gLDKDKu8Y/видео.html
Great stuff Greg. Do you have any pregermination experience with gibberellic acid? I have a few thin spots where my overseeding didn’t come up as anticipated and thinking of experimenting with a 1000ppm concentration in my buckets. I have 90% coverage so not the worst thing if I screw things up because it’s left over seed that I kept in reserve. If you do have experience, any tips?
I have seen a few publications, usually gibberellic acid in the water. If memory serves, that is the enzyme that actually initiates germination. So the theory is adding it to the water, actually enhances the pre-germination effect. I thought about mentioning it, but it is very difficult to find. Also Michigan State didn't mention it and it's publication. So I stuck with what they recommended and what I have done in the past. Adding Jibri like acid is worth a shot and couldn't hurt.
@@GregPhillips.22 exactly right. Gibberellins are hormones that control various processes, including growth and germination. If I end up experimenting, I’ll report back my findings. Won’t be able to do a robust experiment with various ppm concentrations, but hopefully I can get some learnings.
please do. I am going to start encouraging folks to comment more in my videos so everyone can get some of my viewers experience, products that worked, did not work as well.
Im in Virginia ended up having to do a dethach today cause i had some dead spots from fungus. My lawn was looking good before the fungus hit now it needs a overseed. I have a 90/10 tttf/kbg blend on hand but i dont want to take the chance. Ill be ordering some tttf and putting it down this week. My temps are still 60-75.
I am only one state over and likely higher elevation and still can seed here. Out biggest limitation this fall has been lack of rain. You should be fine. May want to keep a pound or two back in case you need to so some follow uo seeding in spring.
@@GregPhillips.22 do you think it will be a waste to plant the tttf kbg mix I have now or would it be better to purchase a tttf blend without the kbg
I think it would. KBG wound not be up until til mid November. That's fairly late.
@@GregPhillips.22 thanks that's what I figured. I'll be ordering some gci tttf or super truff 1 from united seeds tonight. The section ill be doing is only 1k sq ft.
Thanks for the video . Did you miss putting the links?
Should be in the first comment. I pinned if
Ok quick question. Let’s assume you do some dormant seeding in the late fall or early winter and the next spring it looks like the seed is germinating as hoped. Can you still apply a pre-emergent fertilizer in the spring (before soil temps reach 55) like you normally would? Or is that off limits now given the new grass coming in? Thank you
Most if not all pre emergent herbicides want the seeing to be at the second root stage before a pre emergent application is made. Other labels say second mowing. I wound be a little careful to be sure the seedling was mature matching the same color and close to the same size as the surrounding grass. Barricade (Prodiamine) is one I like in the spring and I don't think it is as hard on turf as other pre emergent herbicides.
Thank you. Foots with what I was thinking but, of course, I trust your opinion a touch more than mine.. lol
Thanks, Greg for the content. Much appreciated. I'm in the cool season zone. I've been facing a lot of mole activity since seeding & watering. I did 2x spring and late 2x fall preventative grub split applications. I still have some grub damage. Do you have a way to suppress worms and move them lower? I heard of a product called Sea 3 that might work. Will sand help suppress the worms?
Not familiar with sea3. The bioadvanced 24 hr grub control or Dylox are good "knock downs" for active grubs. Good news is they will be overwintering soon. I had some grubs in the "spot treat" yard in my overseeding video. I did not put anything down. So far so good. Will look up sea 3. Thanks the for heads up on it!!
I actually have a grub control video if you want to check it out. ruclips.net/video/Wlc-xI31kBo/видео.htmlsi=tYs-8tmqONNAQADd
@@GregPhillips.22 Thanks for the reply. Sea 3 helps with worm castings. I heard that knocking down the food sources of earthworms & grubs for moles will minimize surface activity.
Thanks for the content I can't find your poa annual video I'm super interested.
Here ya go! Poa annua control video ruclips.net/video/x7gLDKDKu8Y/видео.html
I’m experimenting this year doing some patch repairs. I just filled patches last weekend, and so far no germination with my PR and TTTF. The nights have been in the high 30s and 40s but the days have been in mid 70s. The soil has been around 65 degrees, so idk why I’m not getting germination.
One of the tough things this fall at least in the east coast is it's very very dry. The seeding I did in my overseeding video I did in late August. A little early than I should have to get the video out before the season. That being said I have had to aggressively water the seed I put down to get it to pop. I have a couple of small areas I am going to revisit in the spring when I hopefully we will get some steady precipitation. You should be OK with PR and TTTF. Just keep them moist and you should get some germination.
I’ve cut my lawn down low and dethatched 2 days ago. I did have a lot of crabgrass in the lawn before the cut and dethatching. Is it too late to kill off the whole lawn and seed for a new lawn in Ohio zone 6?
We are in the same zone so likely we are having the same weather. What I wound so since it is a little late. Not do a complete renovation. Apply tenacity, aerify if you can and overseed. Here is my overseeding video. I give some recommendations on seed varieties you can use.ruclips.net/video/_9JsNhnQS-c/видео.htmlsi=-h3wiHTwDdiARlrX
@@GregPhillips.22 Okay and thanks for your help!!
I have lots of red sorrel in my back yard. I put down lime 3 weeks ago. I’m in zone 6b CT. Any suggestions on how to kill this weed and can I still seed this season?
What application equipment do you have?
@@GregPhillips.22 I have a mantis tiller/ dethatcher & aerator, hose end sprayer, and hand held and rotary seeder. As well as several hand tools ( if that’s what you are asking)
I also have t-zone herbicide that I bought for perrenial violets. Not sure that will work
The video is too long considering the subject matter. You have to be concise and get straight to the point, to keep the viewer interested.
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