This broke us - My Hero Academia - 7x8 Two Flashfire's - Group Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Dabi faces off against Todoroki and we learn that it was All-For-One all along as The Normies react to season 7 episode 8 "Two Flashfires." Be sure to stick around after the reaction for our discussion.
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I couldn't continue that show after season 3 abomination
@Thenormies let me make myself clear Navi if you believe that Dabi has no right takes or as you said its inexcusable to excuse the murder he has done that's okay but at the end of the day that's ur opinion and I have seen Marketa have way more illogical crazy takes than this one. but honestly with all of them that's her honest beliefs and opinions, but you should be last one put of the couch to use a passive aggressive tone to Marketa because at the end of the day for most reactions to this episode the bias was towards endeavour and shoto let make that clear and especially since you have been on the cobra kai reactions and whether you have not realised it you especially disregard Mr. Miyagi best quotes "no such thing as Bad student, Only bad teacher." and that's all Marketa was saying for Dabi who had no good father figure(teacher), bad Environmenr, and especially not enough attention as shoto had from his mother where Shoto saw on Tv All Might speech as a kid.
@@mohammedlire2045 navi is correct in taking up that tone for correcting her saying that dabi can't be blamed for murdering people left and right. Navi with the only cold logic on the couch. Marketa really sways all the normies and makes them like and dislike characters by her view of them. Very happy that navi came in and told her off. Respectfully to every normie
@@hkaayaakuu if you think i dont realize or don't notice that mrketa does that you must 100% not know a single thing about me. trust me i know marketa does that but my problem is Navi is that person who has been in almost every one piece manga reaction with Ketty and i feel like this one of the rarest times that she has called Ketty out. where other times she is a Bystander or even encourages it.
As terrible as Endeavor was, AFO stealing the child he was looking for is crazy. Without interference, Endeavor would’ve found him dead or barely alive.
Man if Touya actually walked in and spoke to Endeavor what would’ve happened. I know Enji wanted to see him again, maybe the whole timeline would’ve changed.
@@stevenmark4407 Pretty much, the whole reason Enji got aggressive in the training was to make Shoto not suffer Toya's fate.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 Are you saying that Enji only treated Shoto wrong after Toya seemingly died?
@@IMMACYCLOPSHe definitely treated him *worse* after the loss of Touya. He doubled down on his worst habits as he wanted the loss of his first child to mean something. But you are right, timelinewise, Endeavor was already very abusive in regards to training Shouto, which was partially a horrific attempt at forcing Touya to give up his hero dream
@@relic5752 "timelinewise, Endeavor was already very abusive in regards to training Shouto"
Thank you!
How are we not talking more about the fact that All For One took him and Endeavor couldn't find Toyas body, making him even worse?
Exactly smh
I mean, cause it's still Enji's choice at the end of the day, he should have known and done better regardless instead of doubling down on the abuse
Honestly, All for One didn’t make Touya much worse. His doctor basically admitted that Touya’s mind was already broken by Endeavor beyond anything All for One could do.
Next episode for enji lovers
I'm in ❤
Dabi's voice actor (Jason Ernesto Liebrecht) deserves such praise for his performance and how went from sounding so innocent to so monstrous!
Honestly both him and shotos va deserve praise both literally killed it
Wait, Dabi's original dub VA also did his teenage post-coma voice?! Damn, that's some talent.
@@whitneybennett4857 yeah it was him for both - he only didn't do the pre fire/orphanage child voice
I was abused 90% of my childhood till i was 15/16...physically, mentally and every other way, by parents and all sorts of other people...but I would not try to use that as an excuse for my actions...
Some people are confused about todorokis new move, thinking it's just a weird combination of fire and ice but it's actually ammonium phosphate that he's creating which can be found in fire extinguishers and is pretty good at stopping fires. So what they saw at the end wasn't really ice but more of that white stuff you see in fire extinguishers
Oh wow. Interesting. Thanks, I did not know that.
It's def ice
I’m glad to see there’s an equal amount of sensible people debating people defending a serial killer.
@@Twilight2Dawn tbf the only one that sounded like they're "defending" him was marketa, the others actually disagreed even if they feel bad about him lol
@@megamegasamx1014 my bad I meant here in the comment section. Idk what marketta is on but I’m gonna just ignore her takes for now.
12:25 While they use that track a lot for Todoroki, it’s actually a song about Deku, it’s called “Anguish of the Quirkless”.
THANK YOU !
That’s still Jason Liebrecht as younger Toya. Not David Matranga (Shoto). Liebrecht is just doing a younger voice.
Yeah he freaking killed it like he went from dabi a vengeance seeking maniac to a lost child trying to find his family like that was amazing
I didn't realize how high and young he could go til I heard him as Shigeo in Mob Psycho 100's last season. Him and David killed this episode.
@wordyblerd7723 he also played Finny from Black Butler and that is...VERY different.
I thought you did a rewatch Suraj. Endeavor did go looking for Toya but since All for One interfered, he was assumed dead/burned up. Also Navi, your outfit is amazing ❤😊
Shouto is such good representation of overcoming traumatic bonds and toxic legacy of family. Being the person you choose to be. He is so well written. His VA did such a good job.
The Todoroki Family stuff is the best stuff in this series. Easily.
"Endeavor is not being held accountable"
Someone hasn't been paying attention, lol.
😂😂
"not being held accountable enough" was what she said tho
@@ko-fl8huwhat does she want? To throw him in jail while this war is going on? It’s a dumb idea to get rid of your strongest asset while villains are trying to take over the world
Time for the Normies to rewatch the Toya backstory episode, lmao.
They didn’t understand it then either
Endeavor was angry in the flashback because despite how many times he and the family doctor told Toya to stop using his fire, his body can't handle fire, he still kept doing it. Which eventually lead to Endeavor snapping at Rei since she did nothing to stop Toya at home. Endeavor was so focused on training Shoto to avoid him suffering the same way, and became more aggressive about it once Toya "died".
And yes, Endeavor did look for Toya, he literally saw the mountains burning and arrived only to find Toya's jaw in a pile of ash. Had AFO not taken Toya, things would have changed for the better.
Enji didn’t only train shoto to “avoid toyas fate” he was already putting him thru brutal training before touya burned
Toya’s death just made him double down
Not really. Had AFO not found Touya, he most likely would have just died, since AFO & Dr Garaki have far greater medical feats than the norm. Also Dabi’s hatred is stated to be what kept him alive for so long after waking up. So ultimately things would’ve remained the same except no Dabi in the future. Endeavor’s abuse wouldn’t have improved & it far predated Touya’s death too.
The abuse was still going on before Touya died.
@@TheYoungGeninSasuke
I’ve noticed a lot that people like to do some sneaky manipulation of the timeline of events to downplay Endeavor & pretend he “wasn’t that bad”. Makes me wonder what they even like about his character when they’re willing to distort it so much 😅
Ngl the English dub team are killing it with this!
Especially Todoroki and Dabi the fight between siblings having different paths is saddening... 😢
They were already killing they just went on a massacre lol
I've always thought the MHA dub has been better than the sub
@@SpeedyCat19
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Not this scene, Dabi's and Shoto's are way better in the sub
@@SpeedyCat19 NO
NOPE! dubs still ass
Dabi simping is so wild. Shit is sad, but as Todoroki said. HE BURNED PEOPLE. Lots of em.
and by "burned" they wanted to mean "killed" XD
He was "too hot" doing it, I guess. lol
@@raec5426 I mean he literally was
relax my boy and it is not simping it is being aware of his mental state. you know what Navi F*** you but you are right he killed people one thing that I learned from the legend Mr. Miyagi is " no such thing as bad student only bad teacher" and in this case clearly bad environment, Bad Parents, and Bad Support system= Bad teacher
I fell şad for dabi and his family but l agree with you here ❤
11:33 It’s Flashfire Fist Phosphor
Dabi is one of the best written villains in mha and the todoroki arc is one of the best plot lines im the series.
I think the animators and producers knew this which is why they went all out on the budget specifically on all their moments more than any other (especially for the rest of the LOV). There were other characters with high budget, sure, but they never miss the important beats with this family.
@@johndinner4418 And that's a problem.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 For the ones who didn't get the budget, sure. I don't know if it's a problem animators can solve, though.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 youre in charge of allocating assets in a production team. how would you do so without overspending
Me too l love it is amzing sotry here
The logic leaps Marketa makes is hilarious
tbh she is only like 8 years old so we have to be patient with her.
I get it marketa endeavor is bad but id like to remind people something in this episode
Endeavor was angry BECAUSE DABI WAS BURNING HIMSELF AFTER HE TOLD HIM TO STOP
And its all sad about dabis fate yes but he is STILL A MURDERER just because hes messed up doesnt justify the amount of deaths hes caused
Also once again all for one interfering has influenced the family as hes the reason endeavor never found dabi
Yeah people forget endeavour was never abusive towards Toya, he saw his talent talked him up and then found out it hurts him. And being the number two hero the best choice may have been to quit to show Toya see being a hero isn't necessary in life, but being the number two and having the record of completing lots of hero work, if he just suddenly quit it may have cause society a lot of trouble, he only became more aggressive as Toya wouldn't quit and the mom wasnt helping with stopping Toya, plus endeavour almost gave up on surpassing all might himself because he believed Toya could do it. it progressed into him being abusive after what happened with Toya. And as endeavour couldn't see a way to surpass all might. Again he could have quit but he was doing a lot of good hero work. That's like being one of the best cops on the force stopping murderers but suddenly quitting to show ur son u don't have to save lives to live a good life, as people die because he could have stopped it had he not quit. Endeavour didn't have the normal parenting skills only hero parenting skills because that's the only life he knew. He royally screwed up and in his anger and shame got worse for sure but for his early life Toya had it good he just couldn't accept that his quirk hurts him so it's not a good idea to continue down that path, he was a kid so that's understandable but still..most kids when they hurt themselves doing something would be turned away from doing said thing but Toya wanted all his dad's attention. The other two didn't care so much that endeavour wasn't giving them much attention. It's a weird situation that's complicated in many ways. It's not just one person's fault
I agree with you here. But l fell şad for him here
And why was Touya continuing so desperately & burning himself? Because Endeavor completely neglected him after deeming him a “failure” so Touya thought the only way to get his dad’s love & attention again was to prove he can still be a hero. Let’s not downplay or oversimplify things here. You’re trying to make Endeavor sound reasonable when he quite literally was not 😅
@@Kaiser_MHAhe didn’t neglect him out of disappointment. He neglected him because he thought giving his son attention would lead to him continuing to lush himself to be a hero. It was a naive mistake, not a malicious decisions. For fucks sake, media comprehension is so low.
@@ManSeekingMeaning
Your reasons for abusing a child are irrelevant. You’re still abusing a child.
All for One pulled a Madara, same way he brung Obito back and gave him a new body just a fuel his hatred. All for One did the same thing for Dabi. Only difference is, AFO turned Dabi's Ambition against him(or allowed it at least since he didn't really control dabi how he wanted to) and Madara turned Obito's love against him
Lol he's not thinking like a child. His mental voice is out of sync with the voice he has now. It's like when u are sick and sound weird or nasally but ur inner thoughts still sound normal.
No....he was in a coma for 3 years. Plus the burns and probably mass smoke inhalation would have warped his voice
@@finsmylie8382 thats what im saying his mental voice is how he thinks he sounds, but in reality his voice has changed. so hes not thinking like a child thats just how his inner voice is do to not realizing his voice changed so much
Marketa butthurt is always hilarious to watch. It’s always REEEEEE with her reactions when she doesn’t like sth 😂
Ahhh congratulations to Marketta and Chris! Wishing a happy and safe pregnancy
Only Marketa can be angrier at Endeavor than Dabi, the serial killer 😂.
I get what she’s saying about Endeavor, but that is still really funny.
A lot of people do that I’ve noticed lol. Obviously Endeavor is the root cause but at some point he can’t be blamed for the evils Dabi chooses of his own free will to commit
Wanna bet she will still not be on endeavor's side even after she sees his back story?😂😂
Marketa wasn't smart on that 💀
@@BadriKid What the hell does Endeavor's backstory gotta do with anything?? Boo f'ing hoo he has a sad backstory doesn't change the fact that he traumatized his family, is an abuser, and he sexually assaulted his wife! If people want to dislike Endeavor there's nothing wrong with that! I don't care, this dude could have the saddest backstory of all time and I still wouldn't care about him 🤷♀Trying to gain sympathy points? That's not how it works I fear. You don't get to just do messed up shit and then be forgiven for it because you have a shitty background, cry about it.
She’s not wrong. He’s a serial killer specifically because of how his father treated him.
Believe it or not, but Horikoshi says he has never seen Avatar.
I don't know why some people think Avatar created the concepts when Avatar openly takes influence from Eastern cultures. The Avatar cycle for example is based on reincarnation as an Eastern influenced concept. lol
Hori more likely got influence from "Flame of Recca" which is an anime/manga from Japan that pre-dates Avatar. It has siblings with fire powers of different colors, an older sibling against the younger sibling, even one with a scar, etc. Avatar could have been influenced by that itself too.
lie
@@afnaankhan3617 Avatar was not popular in Japan. Most Japanese people haven't seen it. Just because it's a big hit where you live, doesn't mean the whole world knows it. 🤷♀
The moment they show Toga's jaw melting is horrible, I didn't notice it the first time.
Everybody seems to forget that long before Sekoto Peak, Touya turned and went for his baby brother being held in Rei’s arms. That was when he lost all sympathy from me. No amount of abuse or expectations from Endeavor could justify wanting to kill an infant who hadn’t even developed their quirk yet.
... you lost sympathy for a child, for lashing out like a child does because he was suffering due to abuse and neglect, again as a child? Touya literally woke up and felt bad for what he did to Shoto. He gets a pass for everything up until he became an adult and continued actively and purposefully kill people.
I’m sorry Marketa, but you are being way too forgiving to Dabi and WAY too unforgiving to Endeavor. Dabi is an enraged serial killer with zero remorse for his actions, and he continues to choose to be evil. Endeavor was an abusive father who sees how much of a mistake he made in the past, is desperately trying to atone for the things he’s done, and is actively being held accountable by the entire world around him for it. The current state of Dabi is not Endeavor’s fault. Endeavor may have been the catalyst, but Dabi chose to be the way that he is and is still actively choosing that. I just think it’s silly to still continue to hate Endeavor at this point in the story
Marketa i feel like you’re not enjoying the show as much as you could be if you just permanently thing endeavor is bad and don’t consider more nuanced opinions. It’s easy to look at those who have made worse decisions than us, especially decisions that hurt others, and think themselves beneath us. It’s much more difficult but also more rewarding to realize that what’s done is done and that they need to focus on what the best course of action from the present onwards is.
Endeavor is really being held accountable, i think you don’t agree because you want his accountability to involve him being tortured in some way but the truth is that wouldn’t benefit anyone long term.
i could be wrong but that’s how i see it
Marketa forgotten the previous seasons 💀
To be honest she should rewatch the show
Endeavor is not being held accountable, because if he was being held accountable his pathetic ass would be in a jail cell, and his children would be in the foster system. Hope that helps!
@@KOOLICIOUSFACECARDand who would take on AFO? Just Hawks and Jeanist be realistic. After this war Endeavor creditably and reputation is still damaged
I mean, I’m caught up with the manga and-[SLIGHT SPOILERS]
-even after the war endeavor is still not really held accountable by anyone other than his family (which was quite shocking to me, but I’m glad Horikoshi at least handled the family situation so well and so maturely). Hell, Hawks still admires the guy even after finding out he’s an abusive father too. Imo there were definitely ways to show him being held accountable by the narrative way more, but it is what it is I guess.
Man, imagine being in a coma during puberty. That must be extremely rough
Dabi just needs some ass
@@larryvos4377incel Dabi?
Marketa....not sunnyside up LOLOLOL.
We all know endeavor wasn’t shit as a father and he was a abusive husband but at least he didn’t kill innocent people and I don’t like how marketa kept trying to make excuses for dabi on why he is the way he is, Navi basically said how I felt just because he had a neglectful father and a unstable household doesn’t mean we should give him a pass for the things he did later on in life. Dabi made his own choice to go out and kill people and in the real world his sad childhood wouldn’t make no one think twice about sending him to prison for the rest of his life
Yeah I'm not sure if it's because she forgot what happened in the last few seasons or because she's about to become a parent herself but she was being waaay too hard on Endeavor. Which is surprising because she's usually one of the more insightful people on the couch and gives people the benefit of the doubt
Lol they both can be terrible unforgivable people
@@Condoriano474 "She was being way too hard on Endeavor", nah she wasn't being hard enough, he deserves every piece of shit that comes his way, and he should rot in hell. Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites "She's defending Dabi but hating on Endeavor", okay and you're defending Endeavor and hating on Dabi so two can play it that game.
"He was abusive but at least he didn't kill innocent people" are you hearing yourself right now??? "And I don't like how Marketa kept trying to make excuses for Dabi", First of all you're a hypocrite and you contradicted yourself, because y'all Endeavor "worshipers" CONSTANTLY make excuses for Endeavor like you're doing right now. And what Marketa was saying weren't excuses they were REASONS. What do you not get about that??? It's not an excuse it's a reason, Endeavor IS and will ALWAYS be the REASON why Dabi turned out the way he did and Endeavor deserves every. last. single. piece. of. shit. HE RECIEVES.
"Just because he had a neglectful father and unstable household doesn't mean we should give him a pass for the things he did later on life." I'm sorry are you slow? Like did we read the same Manga and watch the same show?? Endeavor was a HELL of a lot more than JUST neglectful and you know that. And saying that Dabi grew up in an "unstable" household is the understatement of the damn year. Endeavor wasn't JUST neglectful he was physically and emotionally abusive. He was a GROWN ASS MAN beating on women and little children.
You say don't make excuses for Dabi even though Dabi grew up in a abusive home, which absolutely DESTROYED his mental health and development growing up, Since the day he was born all he's known was violence. So is it that shocking to you when he automatically resorts to it? It shouldn't be a shock to you that the person who has only seen darkness and violence since the day he came out of the damn womb doesn't know how to properly express himself emotionally and in a healthy way, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BEAT YOUR KIDS. NEWSFLASH THEY MIGHT TURN OUT MESSED UP! WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT??
So once again, you say don't make excuses for Dabi even though all he's ever known was violence and even though he was a kid. But you do not HESITATE and matter of fact say that we should forgive or be less harsh to the GROWN ASS MAN. Dabi was a kid, Endeavor is a GROWN ASS MAN, He knew what he was doing the ENTIRE time he was doing it. If Dabi doesn't get/deserve excuses than Endeavor Sure as HELL doesn't either.
So, once again I ask: Do you hear yourself? "He was abusive but at least he didn't kill innocent people" HE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HIS WIFE, AND ABUSED HIS ENTIRE FAMILY. WHAT THE HELL do you mean "But at least he didn't kill innocent people" Like BE FR. Don't piss me off.
And lastly, to quote yourself (but with my little own twist on it): "Endeavor made his own choice to go out and abuse his family and in the real world his sad childhood wouldn't make no one think twice about sending him to prison for Sexual Assault and Abuse."
@@KOOLICIOUSFACECARD Dabi being avoided by his father because he keeps hurting himself does not give him the go ahead to become a serial killer as an adult, lmao.
Them simping and Glazing on Dabi while roasting and Disrespecting Endeavor is crazy 💀
Dabu literally burns people to ashes...
Wym most of them acknowledges that dabi is still murderer and deserves this
It just that it doesn't mean they have to like Endeavor lol
@@megamegasamx1014 marketa seems more on defense of dabi and kinda brushing it off or atleast thats the concensus people have come to
@@zexalplays628 I just think it's more sympathy than "simping" or "glazing"
I feel like a lot of people glaze Endeavor too much if anything lol
@@megamegasamx1014 i think so too that being said she kinda shrugged off his faults abit too much and thats why people have come to this consensus
@@zexalplays628
Because it’s easy to brush off. The story didn’t really bother trying to make us care about Dabi killing 30 no name non-characters offscreen. Even this episode when Shoto says “you chose to burn people”, the only example the anime could give was him killing some street villains.
Meanwhile, the story made us really care about Endeavor’s abuse by showing it onscreen & making us care about the characters involved. So it’s pretty obvious why people care about one more than the other. The story put effort into one & didn’t bother with the other at all. Half the trouble is the villains in the series don’t actually kill any meaningful named characters.
They’re typical Shonen villains but with really pathetic offscreen kills that are treated more as fun trivia than something substantial. It’s kinda like expecting people to care about the planets Freeza from DBZ blew up offscreen. How can we really care other than saying “yeah that’s bad, that’s why he’s a villain”
The fight was amazing. But honestly the flashback stuff with Touya was sad as well. We see even after everything Endeavor did, Touya was still willing to put his feelings of hurt aside and just go back home and apologize. Endeavor kept telling Touya to give up on his ambitions because it would only hurt Touya. But Endeavor himself never gave up on that dream. He kept trying to have children to make the "perfect kid". Then Touya literally exploded and burned alive because of the emotional and psychological trauma he went through because of Endeavor's ambitions. And even after all that, Endeavor didn't stop. Touya came home and saw that Endeavor had just gotten worse. While he was alive, Touya couldn't change anything. And even in death, Touya couldn't change anything. His father didn't learn anything. It's like his very existence was meaningless. So if Touya didn't have any meaning, he would be burned to ash and be reborn as Dabi. With flames so hot even the Demon Lord himself couldn't control them. I also love that Dani started to burn through the All Might statue. Because living up to that impossible ideal and his father's envy are what tore their family apart to begin with. And once again Dabi acknowledges again that he and the League are the accumulation of everything wrong with Hero Society. Their pain was created because of the failures of society. Which makes it even more fitting that Dabi begins to burn down the literal symbol of hero society.
Your comment explains the Touya and Endeavor relationship perfectly, well done
What @@jjtm2280 said.
So many fans of the series bash Dabi for refusing to take his father's advice to "stop," to "look beyond all this," to forget this aspiration, promising that it'll "all be a distant memory soon."
Except... how can you expect a child to listen to the person that's telling them to stop when said person is openly guilty of the same exact behavior *and are refusing to stop themselves?!*
Question. Are you caught up with the manga?
He didn't continue though. He literally says that Rei wanted more kids so Touya could have someone his age to play and abandon the dream. The only time he goes back to it is after he learns that Touya is still hurting himself and then they had Shoto.
@@albinlimani6627 Except he quite literally did. Rei was initially okay with having more children. But once she sees what Endeavor is trying to do, she makes it very clear she's against the idea. "That's so cruel. Touya knows what you're trying to achieve with the other children". And then you see Rei looking miserable. It's not hard to see
@@alexinator-hh5fe That's literally what I said. The only child Rei didn't want herself was Shoto, she wanted the other two. I am not trying to excuse Endeavor's deeds, he made a lot of bad choices, just trying to draw a line between things he did and didn't do.
7:10 *_Dabi did not burn down the nursery. Nor did he kill anybody that night._* I don't blame you guys at all for being under the impression that this was what happened considering how the episode depicted Toya's escape. One of the Extras from Volume 35 of MHA explained what happened in more detail. I'll put the text from it below.
"It might be hard to tell from the visuals [the two panels from chapter 350 showing the facility *_partly_* on fire (6:49... WHY) and Toya's feet as he runs away], but Toya got into an argument with Haruaki Sun-Sun and unleashed some fire before fleeing the facility. His weakened flames didn't burn the place to the ground though. The fire was put out easily enough.
"Fearing that his wicked deeds would be exposed, the doctor blamed Haruaki Sun-Sun for accidentally starting the fire, thus protecting the facility's dark secret.
"Since no one died and the story didn't make the news, heroes and the authorities were unfortunately none the wiser about the doctor's hidden atrocities. Maybe if the fire had been a bigger deal, the world wouldn't have ended up in its current state. This was an ironic crossroads, in a way."
Jason Liebrecht gave what I think is his best performance this season and any anime. And he’s given some pretty great performances for other characters.
if were saying any anime i would say Grelle as armin in aot but that and this episode will be dubs of this year for sure.
baby touya and shoto in the impact frames always gets me 😭🙏
Yes endeavor is terrible for what he did to his family but afo stole dabi’s body preventing endeavor from finding his son and thinking he was dead. It’s understandable if u guys hate endeavor for what he did but afo is pure evil and dabi still chose to kill innocents to get his revenge. Also, what does marketa mean when endeavor is not being held accountable enough?dude’s reputation is in shambles his youngest son is facing dabi and after the war is over,I doubt he will still be seen as a hero again.
I think the main issue people see is other than some random civilians throwing stuff at Endeavor (while they were also shouting at all the heroes) nobody really holds Endeavor to account. Literally not a single hero has anything to say about him being exposed except people like Hawks who gas & support him every step of the way. It makes it come across like nobody gave a shit.
Personally, I think it would’ve meant more if some of the heroes who quit after PLW did so because they had an issue with Endeavor, rather than just “we don’t like the public being mean to us”. Deku has nothing to say about it. All Might has nothing to say about it. Literally nobody has anything to say about Endeavor’s past & the story spends a lot of time coddling him, which comes across a bit indulgent.
I love Endeavor & his story but he does get babied quite a bit.
@@Kaiser_MHASo his awful mistakes in regards to his family (which we HAVE context for, and know weren’t committed out of malicious intent but misplaced ambition, anger, and fear) and which he’s been trying so hard to atone for, suddenly offset an entire CAREER of saving lives? Of risking his wife and limb to help people? The man with the most solved cases in history? One series of bad acts from the past just negates all that he’s sacrificed for the public? Crazy.
@@ManSeekingMeaning
Notice how you have to minimise & downplay severe physical, emotional & psychological abuse & violence inflicted on his entire family that led to his wife being hospitalised, one son ending up “dead” & then later a terrorist & all his other children with psychological issues?
The “context” also does nothing to actually justify any of his actions. He was still totally in the wrong every step of the way & is portrayed as such in the story. His ambitions & reasons for even being a hero & saving people are also based in selfish ambition & greed, not because he’s a nice guy who cares.
The character himself doesn’t agree with your viewpoint. The story doesn’t agree with your viewpoint. You have misunderstood the entire point of both. But yes, being in a job that saves people does not make up for destroying lives in your personal life. Police officers who go home & beat their wives are bad people. Firefighters who go home & abuse their kids are bad people. Celebrities who work with charities but secretly molest the kids are bad people. It’s not a difficult concept.
I know its a TV show but the way a murderer is being givin sympathy is kinda scary. I have always givin Dabi cool points but as a person bro cannot be justified at all.
Sympathy & justification are not the same thing. The story literally tries to make both us as the audience & the hero characters sympathise with the villains. That’s not the same as saying “they’re justified & allowed to kill people”.
This is probably my fav episode which is for first of all dabi and shotos vas they went pluss ultra for this and the animation like bro and this is the crazy part it gave me full final agni kai vibes from zuko and azulas final battle WHICH IS A HUGE COMPLIMENT
Something I can’t say enough is how I couldn’t imagine being in Touya’s place in those flashbacks. Like, he burned himself up, and the next thing he knew, he was several years older and looked completely different and had a different voice. And then he went home, only to realize that his father had essentially just continued on. All of Touya’s fears had essentially come to life.
It’s also honestly super sad that Shoto feels the need to carry all of the family’s hardships on his back when none of this should really be his responsibility. Unfortunately, Endeavor spent the last month or so completely neglecting Shoto and Touya, so he’s gonna have to fight All for One now instead, which sucks since Touya seems to really want to talk to him instead of Shoto, and I can’t say I blame him. Still though, I hope that Shoto can get through to Touya in some way. Touya may not want to admit it, bit they’re more alike than he thinks.
Two Brothers who went down different paths though a Broken Family 😭
It's really Sad for Todoroki to defeat Dabi and all He went through 😢🔥🧊
Such a Good Episode 👏
dabi's Dub and Sub VA absolutley slaughtered that Jetburn!
Hello. The Normies. This is my first time commenting on this video, and I'm glad u liked this episode of MHA.
This is by far gonna be my favorite episode because Dabi has been my favorite character ever since we first saw him, and he is really relatable based on his past.
This gets me emotional to talk about this, but I've been in different situations like this. Like Dabi's past. I've been in pain for almost my entire life by people in the past.
I've been in many different situations that almost cost me my life and I'm grateful that u can see through Dabi's pain.
The only people that have accepted me in my life is my family and some friends. I thank you for this reaction episode and sorry. I got a little carried away. Thank you and God bless yall:)
10:49 Weird comment considering they're children 🤨
There Drawings 💀
@@HelenaSan425 Yeah drawings that are depicted as CHILDREN, freaking weirdo.
@@HelenaSan425 so what's the point of making them 15-16? they could've just made them adults. and if a character looked like an adult but the show said they're only 12, it's okay to simp for them as an adult in real life?
@@ethanhunt10 it's still a drawing in the end we can aged and pass on while these characters are still the same on screen from millions of years ago think about
Doesn't matter if it's an Adult or child in a fictional world or anime that has no rules or boundaries
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Only marketa appeared broken. False title 😂
Coolest moment for todoroki?? Nah man not yet there's more
To say Endeavor isn’t being held accountable is absolutely insane. Yes, what he did was terrible. But Endeavor is not irredeemable, and he has been doing everything possible to atone for his sins. And he has been punished by plenty of outside factors. Endeavor is not even on the same level of evil as AFO. He is a flawed man who has made big mistakes throughout his life, but AFO is pure evil
Toya didn't kill those kids or burnt down the orphanage. Doctor burnt down the facility in case Toya brought back the authorities. He wasn't evil yet, it's afterwards he became Dabi. I don't blame you guys though, it's poorly conveyed in the anime and in the manga also. And we know that to be the case because, Hori told us in the volume extra what actually happened.
Endeavor had good intentions but the logic was flawed. He was so caught up in the end goad that he lost sight of the importance of the means used to get there. This isn’t to justify his actions, but i do kinda take issue with people who think they’re better than him. I know it’s just a show discussion but i think a lot of the principles that apply in real life.
If endeavor took better care of dani he would’ve prevented all of this, however, saying it’s not entirely his fault is crazy. The only thing Dani has done that isn’t entirely his responsibility is the nursery because he was a child who couldn’t control his power and was overcome with emotion. However at a certain point personal accountability comes into play.
I also don’t agree that endeavor isn’t be held accountable. To that i say, what would being held accountable look like? He publicly admitted his faults and is hated, he’s providing his family with everything they need and respecting that they won’t forgive him right away if ever. He’s doing everything he can do now. yes he shouldn’t have done what he did but now that it’s done he’s doing the the best he can possibly do right now. And he did it all while resolving more incidents and saving more lives than any other hero besides all might.
In conclusion, i guess my thoughts are that endeavor did terrible things, he also did great things. This isn’t a numbers game but i think hurting 5 people (not justifying it) shouldn’t totally erase saving hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.
I don’t see any benefit to just telling him “you’re bad and horrible” forever. This type of thinking is highly emotional which in it of itself doesn’t make it wrong, but you have to balance that with some logical thinking
For those of you who are wondering, Shoto's form is a perfect balance of hot and cold circulating through his entire body. Which means, any temperatural attack (cold and hot) doesnt work on him where he'll just neutralize the temperature back to normal. Notice he wasnt burned but only affected by Dabi's physical attack. He is OP.
I saw this live on Twitch
As a todoroki fan
How couldn't i
It’s crazy how many similarities atla & my hero have but the author of my hero did say he’s never seen avatar so it’s crazy to see all of the connections without him even watching the show.
Your acting like adult beat up kid to train is not a common trope in Shonen
The story literally presents it to you as abuse. If you choose to ignore that portrayal & compare it to other Shonen where it isn’t portrayed as abuse, then you’re ignoring the context the story is giving you.
I'd like to think Toya survived and can be given a chance to rehabilitate and become a pro hero one day.
Heh
Given his crimes, nah...
I admit it 10:35 iida booty got me
They think the fight with dabi is over 🤭
I am glad it's a Dabi and Shoto centric episode
dub is great but the sub one killed it, Dabi and Shoto JP VA are a menace
Where's the new episodes?
Ranas reaction was amazing on Monday
"We cant blame him entirely" for burning down an entire orphanage full of kids? Yes he had a shit childhood but he still killed children. A MURDEROUS CHILD IS STILL A MURDERER
No one died in that fire, the manga states that the fire was small and easily put out, but they feared that Toya would bring authorities, so Garaki burned it down himself and balmed Sunny for it
He literally didn’t kill anyone in the orphanage dude. A volume extra confirmed it was a small fire that was easily put out. Try again.
I think Marketa is the only reactor I've seen that continues to hate Endeavor, even this late in the series.
She hates any character that is a father.
@@micahnieman673 I don't think it's a rule that you're not allowed to hate Endeavor anymore in the series
@@megamegasamx1014yeah but not to the extent of justifying a serial killer
I’m lowkey shocked Rana didn’t miss this one lmao
Shoto is awesome!!
Horikoshi stated that he knows nothing about Avatar the last Airbender. He didn't derive anything from it based on his word. Its more so most likely because of his interests in so many other works such as anime/manga and comic books that its all come together they way it has. ATLA didn't invent everything that it did. It took from a lot of other works and made something out of itself. Doesn't discredit ATLA at all because its a fantastic show but MHA having a few close similarities doesn't mean its derived from ATLA. I think with how much Horikoshi loves bragging about his care and love for comic books and western entertainment that if he knew about ATLA he would have said he took inspiration from it in the interview where he was asked about it.
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Top 5 episode
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Dabi and Vader really do have a lot in common. Both are them are mentally broken after feeling like a failure to their father figures and rejected due to their biased egos. Originally stoic characters, now heartless villains who embrace death and rebirth in order to control others, rationalize their hatred and turn it into a weapon to eliminate any traces of hope
Any ounce of love and touchy feelings could backfire, affecting the lifespan and die out.
I agree with marketa, but Toya choose to follow All For One and accept his new purpose and embrace death after he has fulfilled his dream of burning the entire country to the ground. Not every villain wants to be saved or thinks they deserve redemption. What's to stop the cycle of hatred towards a family member to repeat itself again?
Y people acting like mr.sunny isn't in kahoots we the man AFO
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In my opinion touya only kill some villains in the story, at the end of the day theres not difference between him and characters like magneto,deadpool etc. People defend endeavor just because he became a hero and blah blah, but dabi basically burn to death as a kid man...because of his father, and still try to reach them and he knew he did wrong bUT his father never teach him, never show true love in a way the kid understand and in his mind basically endeavor make him (and thats the true), endeavor was a piece of sh*t, doesnt matter how people try to defend him, since touya was born he was neglected when he didnt uave the porpuse to become a hero, he was taken by OFA, then trying to survive by his OWN in a world of hipocresy with heroes and villains, he was still a kid when he try to go home, its like those kids who became figthers in África, endeavor was egocentric, bad parent, bad husband and hes not accountable enough not matter what people wanna say 🤷🏻♂️ whatever people say, some villains in this anime have reasons truly reasons to be what they are, thats the world who shape them, shoto have their friends who saw the world in another way but that doesnt mean the villains are truly incorrect in some aspects, life is not good or bad thats why the story of touya and todoroki family is the best of the series. Its the most real
...Toya literally burned down an orphanage filled with children and killed over 30 civilians and heroes.
Endeavor messed up Toya’s mental state so bad that even All For One gave up on manipulating him. Even the Demon Lord himself couldn’t penetrate the hold that Endeavor had on Toya’s mind. Says a lot. Endeavor may not have been able to surpass All Might, but he was able to surpass All For One at one thing: fucking up a kid’s mind.
And we also get confirmation that Dabi saw his endeavor against his family as a suicide mission. He doesn’t value his life at all because he has been conditioned to see himself as a failure because he wasn’t able to fulfill the purpose of his birth. Endeavor neglecting him after giving him so much attention when drilling into him how important surpassing All Might was only served to make Toya feel like his existence was pointless.
Shoto vs. Dabi essentially operates as a more extreme Deku vs. Shoto. Shoto is trying to get Toya to cool down and stop him from killing himself and hurting others, and he does that by fully accepting himself by uniting both sides of his quirk. Instead of constantly putting a dividing line between his mother and father, he embraces all of himself to complete his quirk. He’s created a unique technique that is perfect against fire users. The development of Shoto’s cold flames is interesting to theorize about as he improves his Flashfire Fist: Phosphor.
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Dabi didn’t kill the kids at the nursery/facility. It’s not mentioned in the series but a volume extra by Horikoshi states it was a small fire that Mr Sunny was able to put out without much trouble. The facility didn’t burn down like most of us assumed.
I totally understand what Marketa meant about Touya.
like for shoto the support system totally helped(friends, teachers), cause i think if he was left stranded as touya was, he probably would have chosen the path his older brother had chosen.
i do not condone touya's action, but that probably is the best representation of what neglect and abuse left festering for years does to a person who had no one but his hatred.
(ps: in the black and white shot as children, they were both crying.)
WHEN I CATCH YOU ENDAEVOR, WHEN I CATCH YOU💥💥
Except Dabi wasn't left stranded, he literally grew up with a mother and two siblings, while Shoto was the one stranded alone on the other side of the mansion.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 i mean what happened to shoto happened to touya at first, and by stranded i meant after the sekoto mountain fire. And yes i know he could've gone back to his family but we saw what happened when he went there, he saw endaevor still pulling the same abusive stuff on shoto.
@@anxdem Shoto and Toya's childhoods were completely different.
Toya didn't look at what was happening to Shoto as abuse, he saw it as training, and was jealous, felt that he was replaced, he refused to listen for years to everyone telling him to stop using his fire.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 yeah he refused to listen cause he was conceived to master his quirk for his father purposes, and then was discarded.
but again I'm not condoning his actions as dabi. I just said that if shoto was taken from his family at his most vulnerable state, refused to go back there cause he thought he was being replaced, then growing up in the streets alone since the age of 13yo he probably would have turned too into the 'villain'
Rana probably touched herself to Todoroki.
I understand what Marketa is saying. The whole situation is unfortunate and sad.
Is oshi no ko gonna be released on youtube?
endeavor they can never make me like you! i hope that touya could be rehabilitated even if he doesn’t live long, i think it could be healing for him and shoto/todofam
Is Oshi No Ko coming up soon? I hope Navi join in!
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😂😂 I love their friendship BRUH. This is how me and my friends act. The Rana v Chris moments are my favorite 😂😂👏🏿👏🏿
Gotta say, seeing a lot of the comments defending Endeavor with the "he only trained Shouto to make him not suffer Toya's fate" is wild
Like yeah Dabi is still a muderer, but even removing that from the equation still doesn't change Endeavor being held accountable for all of this, you can like/dislike either or both, but even the story acknowledges that Endeavor is still at fault at the end of the day, and that you don't need to forgive him, and disliking Endeavor doesn't mean you're excusing Dabi's actions
Nobody forgives him. Nobody should forgive dabi either.
And marketa is definitely biased hence why the comments defending endeavour
@@binitbey I just think hating Endeavor is justified regardless that's all lol
And obviously you can defend Endeavor from certain stuff or forgive him even, it's only when people pull the "erm actually he wasn't that bad" and similar stuff that rubs me the wrong way
Endeavor was abusive and he's being punished for it and he's trying to atone for it. Shoto and his other family members trying to reconnect with Endeavor. But dabi has to pay for his own crimes he can't use his past as shield for his actions.
@@megamegasamx1014 it rubs me the wrong way when people clearly have a bias. She was defending dabi, blaming endeavour. I get blaming endeavour but if you defend the confirmed mass murderer saying stuff like it's not his fault, then that's not really fair is it
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I love endeavor as a fighter, but he really did cause Dabi's problems. The scene literally showed Dabi going home to confront Endeavor and guess what? He was still beating Shoto's ass 😒 Dabi just walked tf back out, and tbh, I would do the same. One of your children died because you were horrible, and you continued being horrible. Like wtf.
Yep. Endeavor is definitely up there on the “worst anime dads” list lol.
Thought the Normies were critical of characters that kill kids, but start glazing Dabi for burning down an orphanage full of kids, lol.
Yeah uh about that, no one actually died in that fire
No really, the manga states that the fire was small and was easily put out, but they feared that Toya would bring back authorities, so Garaki burned it down and blamed Sunny for it lol
@@megamegasamx1014 That was in the volume notes which most wouldn't know about. The anime changed the fire, so Hori definitely changed his mind.
It was barely visible and the anime didn't really show much of it. You wouldn't know about if you didn't read the manga. To someone watching the anime, it just looked like a fire
@@willfanofmanyii3751 gonna source for that claim
@@willfanofmanyii3751 changed his mind about what? The notes came before the episode, the anime doesn't change that
There’s a direct correlation between Dabi’s abuse and his psychopathy. Endeavor, as someone also driven mad by ambition, should have seen the signs in his son and not fed him the same poison.
I mean he tried but it became the issue of him creating toya with a sole purpose and raising him only on that purpose just to take it away toya still tried to continue that purpose to the point of burning himself as a child
He literally did, that's why he stopped training him. Any reminder of heroes kept provoking Toya to burn himself.
@@willfanofmanyii3751given his solution was "I gotta have another kid(s) that will take Toya's place just to make Toya understand" which just resulted in everything getting worse for everybody, I don't think he did
@@megamegasamx1014 Obviously, Endeavor doesn't understand how to be a dad because he didn't have one either.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 boo hoo
You can't just MENTION Oshi No Ko reactions when you haven't dropped any of them yet! 😅 seriously guys... Drop that Hawt FiYa!
Marketa appreciation post here because some these comments... okay. I appreciate how sympathetic she is towards Toya/Dabi's circumstances. I also appreciate that she essentially stated that this does not negate the personal responsibility he has for his own actions. Not once did she ever say that he shouldn't be held accountable for the things he's done. I think maybe this is just being missed or ignored because she goes in on Endeavor but from what I can see, she's just pointing out that oftentimes, the Dabi's of the world don't just magically appear. They are created.
Can Endeavor control Dabi's adult and villainous actions? No. Can Dabi's behavior be linked back the fact that Endeavor groomed his child to be a hero solely for the purpose of his ego-centric desire (to outdo All Might) AND THEN emotionally discarded and neglected said child (once realizing the limits of Toya's quirk), AND THEN continue to go in hard on young Shoto (completely replace Toya with Shoto & be an abusive a$hole) even after thinking that Toya had destroyed himself (in pursuit of Endeavors approval & love)? Bruh.
It's extremely unlikely that Dabi as we currently know him exists in a world where Endeavor hadn't been a POS father in the past. The show doesn't shy away from this, and it makes it known that actions can have long-lasting consequences even if you later decide you want to atone for them. And Yes, All For One was lying in wait like an evil roach to take Toya and try to use him for his own devices. But a couple of things:
1.) Toya escaped from AFO's custody almost immediately after he woke from his coma. He even expressed remorse for the way for he treated his mom and for trying to hurt Shoto. What truly seemed to send him over the edge was getting home and realizing that Endeavor didn't care that he had presumably died.
A.) It's awful that he burned the nursery down and I won't try to lead anyone on how to feel about that but to me it seemed as if that particular tragedy occurred because Toya was trying to escape and not because he was deliberately trying to cause harm.
2.) Would AFO even have had that opportunity to get his hands on Toya if Endeavor had been a decent father/human being at the time? I feel like a bunch of dominos had to fall for us to get to that point, but younger Endeavor's behavior was one of the biggest ones.
The only thing I kind of disagree on is saying that Endeavor's not being held accountable. I feel like his family is holding him accountable (we've definitely seen this from Shoto, and I think the 2nd son) and in the world of MHA that supersedes him being accountable to anyone else. They are the ones who he's hurt the most and who are still dealing/trying to heal from his past actions.
In conclusion to this essay of a comment, leave my girl Ketty alone. I don't always agree with her 100% but she seems awesome just the same. I think a lot of the negative (and unconstructive) feedback aimed directly at her comes from the fact that she scrutinizes the negative aspects of some people's faves.
Funny enough that’s not the end of either of them
People’s readings of the Todoroki subplot are really superficial. The point is not whether burning people to death is wrong or right. The question is, what made Touya become a person who would do such a thing. Honestly, Navi’s take that ‘he had a horrible childhood but should’ve done better as an adult’ is so short-sighted. Why would he suddenly become mentally stable and healthy just because he turned 18? With everything that’s happened to him, of course he was not going to be a normal person making the right decisions. In an ideal world, yes, he would have prioritized morality over his own rage and pain, but that would have been a pointless, boring story.
We have an interesting story about child abuse and no one actually wants to discuss the abuse? Why are people (in the comments) satisfied with ‘Team Dabi or Team Endeavor’ type of discourse? It’s out of the question that Dabi is committing horrible deeds. And of course, he is ‘to blame’ for his killings in the sense that he makes the active choice to raise his hand and shoot fire from it lol. But again, he’s completely mentally fucked so why would he make the morally right decision? His backstory shows why he is the way he is and I don’t think that the narrative is implying that besides being an abuse victim, he is just kind of crazy and evil by nature. Yes, he reacted very strongly to Endeavor’s neglect. But he was a child with a limited perspective who could not understand that Endeavor was indeed trying to protect him from hurting himself. It was his father’s responsibility to find a better way to make Toya understand that he is loved. He failed to do so and that significantly impacted his child. The moral of the Todoroki story should not be ‘don’t burn people, that’s wrong’, it should be ‘don’t emotionally and physically abuse, neglect or exploit your children’. Sad that that is lost on a majority of the audience. Then again, Horikoshi does not do this topic justice either - most of the villains are abuse victims or victims of the system in some way but all of them get punished in the end while the status quo remains intact. Funny (or sad), as this is supposed to be a story about saving people. Would have been so much more interesting if the hero system had collapsed entirely, but that would have not been digestible for the shonen audience, it seems.
Marketa is trying to explore some of these issues in the discussion but gets accused of defending murder LMAO.
Also, someone in the comments said that Touya didn’t see Endeavor’s behavior as abuse. Are you fucking kidding me.
Your father neglecting you as a child doesn't give one the right to become a serial killer as a adult, Navi is correct.
@@willfanofmanyii3751Dabi fans can’t understand this
Alot of yall in the comments writing dabi off as a serial killer & nothing more showcases such a lack of nuance and purposes of how in many ways hero society creates villians which is a MAIN talking point throughout this entire series. Yall really just have missed the bigger story & narrative of the villians POV
@@amyrose9889nenasonic unfortunately despite the story making a big point of how things aren't black and white, the fandom sees it that way
It’s not that endeavor isn’t at fault, he obviously is. It’s that they were throwing the majority of the blame onto endeavor when Dabi actively made the choice to go out and kill people. Endeavor could have stopped what he created, and he definitely deserves blame for it, but that blame shouldn’t outweigh the blame you through on dabi himself
He is a serial killer Dabi himself confirmed this and he’s basically using his past to justify his actions
Dabi situation was tailor made for hatred, we all would be steep in hate as well. Childhood is important he had know common sense, only pressure and hate.