In COD We Trust (Goodbye C-2 Greyhound…?)
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This video is a compilation of footage I recorded from 2015-2016, during my time flying the Navy C-2 Greyhound. I tried to capture the many complexities that are involved with starting, flying, landing and maintaining any naval aircraft, especially the COD (carrier onboard delivery).
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Legend has it every time a C2 crashes they just add another blade to it's props.
More blades more power, more power fewer crashes, I guess.
@@TheNefastor Think the point was to state / remember that there was only 8 C2 crashes logged, 7 of them bein before 1973, pretty reliable plane TBH 😇
I was on the USS Independence in 1972 when one went into the drink on landing. It floated upside down for about 15 minutes and 5 passengers jumped out from the ramp but the 2 pilots didn’t make it.
@@davidgardner863 That's a sad story to hear, and the Pedro can't do anything about that ... 😥 Thank you for your service, hope ure retired now ! edit: while admiring the plane reliability I forgot to mention the fantastic crews operating them in the worst conditions, bless them !!
That's how jet engine was invented😂
My late uncle flew Sea Vixens for the Royal Navy. The Vixen was a big old bus for the time, and HMS Eagle was on the compact side for a carrier. He always said 'one didn't land on a carrier, but rather attempted to ram it wheels first as hard as the gear would allow'. When the Sea Harrier was first trialled, one of the senior officers aboard was asked what he was most impressed by - his response was 'the total lack of terror from the deck crew'.
I gave a PLUS --this story has to be remembered--two different plane´s--thx rollf
The Sea Vixen, is that a "COD-Carrier Onboard Delivery" aircraft?
@@s.marcus3669 It was an early concept for a missile-only fighter. However, with only four somewhat unreliable missiles and no guns, you were quickly useless in a fight.
@@EnderMalcolm I was being sarcastic, Drake. I really hate it when people take the conversation in a totally different tangent.
@@s.marcus3669 Sarcasm doesn't translate that well online, it sounded like you genuinely wanted to know.
Older COD driver here, with exactly 1,702 hours in type, 297 traps from the left seat and around 325 traps right. I had 79 night traps left and over 100 night traps right. This was due to VRC-30 flying night ops at the boat and being a VAW-120 IP, night CQ qualified.
The COD was a Thunder Pig, flew like it looked. I never flew the 8 blade or upgraded avionics. Anyway, good video!!
The B52 is a lot older than the COD, if it can fly forever then the COD can as well. If it works don’t fix it, that’s my money we’re talking about.
How many years did it take to get 1700 hours, if you don't me asking?
@@dirtfarmer7472 apart from beying very old, the C-2 is also too small to carry the F135 engine, something that the Osprey can do, and that's an important capability.
@@BrunoViniciusCampestrini
Maybe keep both
@@dirtfarmer7472 Keeping both means maintaining both logistics trains, and not only is that expensive, it requires more personnel, more training, and maybe most importantly, more space to store things like parts and tools. It just makes more sense to transition to the Osprey if it can do everything a Greyhound can do and much more.
I was a Grumman Aerospace Corporation employee at Bethpage Long Island NY 6 years with them . I was in old with the 2nd batch of C-2 CODs. Wing center section ,tail ramp, flight deck main entrance door. 1981-1987. Proud to be a part of helping our Navy as a civilian worker. A licensed A&P line technician United Airlines, J,Stutts.
Former Navy AD2 & retired major airline A&P here. Born & raised on Long Island but went to work defense contract after the Navy then went to the airlines. While I was working defense contract we went to Calverton to provide SAR support for them. FLY NAVY!!!
Don't you have some bolts to tighten?! 😂😂
This sentences are from a GUY --who is knowing about he is writing about--tue rollf --ex TORNADO CREWCHIEF----I read it three times --llooll and was starting my time in the MARINEFLIEGERGESCHWADER 1as a crewchief a couple of years after you--all my planes were comming home safely --that´s the (in my mind) best I think --but "TONY" was a great airplane --hope it will be so I (you would they --IT-) {I say -HE-) retired without any complication --I hope every PILOT that starts --return´s safe home - tue rollf
I worked out in Calverton at plant #6 final assembly form 1980 to 1995 on the F-14's , A6E's, EF-111's, nice to hear from a fellow Grumman " Iron Worker " ! Also an A&P since 1973 and Navy Carrier vet. Grumman built them to last, sad to see them close ! Cheers.
@@joemoore4027 -hi here is rollf--you have a lot of experience --a lot of planes --your cargoplane I never met--I think it is cool -supply is very important--the F-14 is a cool plane --I had the honour --in oceana --I´m a TORNADO PA 200 guy--and the F-14 is large -and i´m 1 meter --96 cm (figher the inch out --llooll)--and I miss my plane--the A6E´s I saw only in movie´s --BUT I believe it is a plane who safed the democratic world--the F-111 I saw one in Loosiemooth GB / Scottland--it made me goosepims -so enjoy your life JOE Moore --cheers --tue DEIN ROLLF
During my time (1977-79) aboard the Midway, before the internet and cell phones, sailors would cheer when the COD landed. The mail is here!
Concur! "COD ON THE BAA WITH MAIL" was everone's favorite 1MC call. Midway same time period in CAG-5.
VAW-115 1987-1989 aboard the USS Midway here! Was a Plane Cast and took care of the CODs from VRC-50 when they came aboard as well. What a time!!!! Wishing you well Shipmate!
For sure! C2's spot the mail buoys!
Midway 90-91, IM4, AIMD. Ground Support Equipment. Hearing them announce the COD with mail was always great to hear.
i took off a carrier as a passenger sitting sideways once
once is way enough lol
talk about the bottom dropping out.
awesome plane great pilots and crew.
thx for the service greyhounds
Such a cool plane! I fly C-5s but secretly wish I could fly the C-2. Don't tell my squadron 👀
USAF pilots ae good but can't quite wrap their brain around landing on a moving runway less than 2 miles long! (Carrier-qualified Jarhead pilot sends . . . )
I got my C-2 flight time in 1990 &1991, in the back of course. Was working the insurgencies in the PI (Army Special Forces) when ground travel was cut off by the bad guys. We used C-2s going back and forth between Clark AB and Subic Bay NS. Again in 1991 while working the same issues (forgot to mention seven coup attempts an 1.5 years) Mount Pinatubo decided to erupt covering Clark in three-four feet of ash. That ended the official stations in the PI which was under renegotiations at that time. Assisted evacuating Clark with C-2s and all other USN/USAF assets that could be called in. The Carl Vinson arrived in short order and we loaded all dependents from both bases onboard. Last trip in to Clark was with USAF SPs to clear out the Armory of all their and our weapons and ammo. The bad guys had been there using sledge hammers trying to break down that massive steel door, no luck.
A short personal history but enjoyed those shaking/rattling C-2s!
MASSIVE RESPECT to YOU for your service…
I was in PI briefly as well…HM with VP-48. Do you remember the small tree monkeys that populated the woods?
I swept ash off the sidewalks at Subic in August '91. Good times.
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, the PI was a great place to work and enjoy! Angeles City and Olongapo were some "fun" places to hang out in. Now it looks like the US wants back in to Subic. Same problems with bad guys today as it was back then.
@@bucksfer7039I wrote a paper in college on this subject. Why do we want back in there?
The reasons that the Navy is replacing the C-2 with the CMV-22, are age, vanishing parts vendors, and the ability of the Osprey to carry a complete F135PW-400 engine without being broken down into smaller components for loading aboard the C-2, plus, the CODSPREY can conduct VITREP/VOD along with performing the traditional COD mission, without the cargo broken down into smaller sling loads for the choppers to take over to the Strike Group's escorting Cruisers, and Destroyers, which is time consuming.
The reason the relatively simple, old-faithful ship is being replaced with the astoundingly dangerous, vulnerable, complex, over-the-top Osprey is that navy brass had long since acceded to the pressure from the vendors and their puppets in congress. Navy brass is sorta' like American Medical Doctors. As the allopathic physicians have abandoned all honor and responsibility in favor of money from big pharma, the brass has abandoned all honor and responsibility in favor of "better jobs later from the military industrial complex."
It ought to be - yeah - "embarrassing" - but when everybody's a prostitute, the only controversy gets down to such as "fishnet hose or no..."
Sounds like the Osprey is superior in every way -- until it crashes.
@@Cryptonymicussomething it does no more often than other military aircraft but you wouldn’t know it listening to the detractors
I like the Mistake. The only problem I have with it is that Boeing canceled the aerial refueling pod & the UK canceled the development of the airborne radar pod.
@@tomelmore8431 no more “astoundingly dangerous” than any other fleet aircraft including the beloved F-14, CH-53, and the list goes on. You must not know much about the history of new aircraft coming into the fleet. You sound unhinged.
What I liked was the talkover of the flight check video. Gives an insight of pre prep to fly.
Love your channel. I took a COD to the Midway back in 87 from Subic. My one and only carrier landing. Feels like yesterday.
Another masterful video! Thanks so much for sharing this with us!
I really enjoyed your cockpit mustache cam shots from back in the day. Good to see your posting again, this kinda stuff is cool to watch :D
I love these videos. Always great gaining more insight into the process. Just a sound designer here who has had the pleasure of working on a few Imax docs; Aircraft Carrier; Guardian of the Seas, also not directly related, Rescue, and Fighter Pilot; Operation Red Flag.
so awesome, thank you for explaining and sharing!!
With the transition to the Osprey, I foresee a lot more lost cargo underway.
Hi Rob, thanks for all of the informative commentary to describe what is happening on the video. I thought only fighter jets landed on the carriers so this was interesting to see.
I am enjoying your videos. Thank you for your service!
I love these insights in the day to day operations on the flight deck.
Love your commentary Bro!!!
Tried for the Gold Wings but budget cuts killed that. So it’s good to live vicariously through you!!!!
Sure are lots of switches n stuff.
that shot narration was killer! love your vids
Great narration Rob. Fly Navy 🇬🇧👍
When I was stationed on the USS Eisenhower 2000-2004, I used to love watching the CODS land. The C2 is my absolute favorite naval aircraft. Thank u sir for uploading your experiences as a pilot. 💯💯💯💯
Everyone loves the COD, we bring the mail! Well maybe except times when the VAW maintainers have to fix the bird when it goes down on the boat. Then, I'm sure they're cursing us 😅.
we just missed each other! I was on the mighty IKE from 04-07 my last day in the navy I was CODed off the ike
Thanks for the video!😎👍 Glad you made it off the Ospry.😉
I love it, PHELPS and SUNSHINE! Great COD dudes. I love this video. Super Cool. Thanks for sharing.
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This is a click bait video. No explanation for the title. Barely even a mention of what is replacing the Greyhound, much less what makes it a mistake.
Question, is the APU on the C.O.D always that slow to run up?, the APU on the Chinook runs up a lot faster, it’s a long time ago but if memory serves it was about 5-10 seconds before it was self-sustaining an no more than a few seconds later it was fully running ready for powering startup of the ECU’s, obviously all aircraft are different but I would have thought that for an aircraft that, by definition, is a carrier based aircraft the run up time would need to be faster, especially if in a combat zone, the two main engines seemed to be slower than I would have expected. Nice video, thanks for sharing it. Per Ardua Ad Astra.
Nifty
@@dallasarnold8615 a cargo version of the V22
Man oh man your videos take me back to my younger days on the USS KITTY HAWK CV-63. I can smell the JP5.
Always love your videos and always learn something new
Condition lever to run, calling for air, rotation, oil pressure, fuel, haha it’s been 20+ years since I turn one of those up. I was low/hi power turn qualified back at good ole VRC-40 1997-2001 det 3 CVN 69. Great video! Thanks you. Brings me back!
Must have been kinda crazy to get out of the NAVY, then the US is at war later that year.
Instead of tucking my old behind into the rack, I stayed up (0420)to listen to your great narration and watch this doggone video. "Thank you sir, may I have another, lol lol." Great upload and this old EM appreciates the job you folks do to keep the rest of us sleeping warm and comfy. (Hand salute). E7, USAR, RETD.
Love the video, thanks for sharing. I was wondering what is the trigger that the LSO holds during landing operations for?
This video brings back memories since I was a member of VRC-40 from 2004-2009 as a member of the AT Shop but 40 was Det Concept at the time not shop back in 2004 but I got to build a C2A in that had been sitting at the other end of the flight line by VAW-120 for about 4 years and was stripped down to just the Airframe without wings and anything inside of it at all! It was a great experience for a new AT to get to work in all the other ratings and I was a VERY PROUD PAPA when that bird came out of the hanger with a brand new paint job new engines and was ready to FLY for the first time. The Plate worked Perfectly on its first flight and was a Workhorse for 40 till it was sent out west for VRC-30 to send it to Japan because they needed a plane and they were short but if anyone opens some of the deck panels they will see my initials and a message not to mess up my PLANE! :)
Awesome video, thank you for sharing this 👌
Those propellers at 2:03 look almost as cool as the noise they make. Very, very cool. I also remember my flight instructor saying (more than once) "you have to stay ahead of the aircraft". Very good advice. The winning comment though is "Hansel, so hot right now", I lost it and laughed so hard I scared my dog.
You are 100% spot on!!
I was looking at a photo of Ranger from about 1964 with the whole air group on deck--and it was so fun! What a drag to see a flight deck full of F-18s!
I really dig your commentary. Great job. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Was never an aviator, but, I got to experience my only carrier landing from the back of a COD.
Just found your videos, and I'm really enjoying myself!
many a day spent on life guaed duty trailing the American and JFKennedy in the Med at 1000K's loved every second of it !!! SO many great photos of you guys on "The Ball" !!! thanks for what you do !!!
One of my favorite planes. This go'n be good!
You have great narration skills, your voice is perfect!
Awesome video Rob. You make the COD community look cool well done. Are you able to transfer to other aircraft types or must you remain with the one assigned to you?
I loved when these would visit our FBO. Such a cool aircraft and sad to see them go.
Thanks for the great narration
Another brilliant and very informative video many thanks Rob😮
i now feel fully equipped next time i fly to answer the call "is there a trained pilot onboard?"😂
I just discovered your channel and subscribed. Excellent video of the C2 starting up and flying. I remember when the C1 was flying with the C2 replacing it.The C2 has been a good reliable aircraft for the COD role. Now the C2 is now being replaced by the CMV 22 Osprey.
Awesome Rick, thanks for subsribing!
Great video! Greatly appreciated! Thank you!
Excellent teaching video. I enjoyed that and learned a couple of things. I was trained as a second mech on F-14s before they sent me to AT school. This brings back some great memories. Thank you.
(Btw, the musical interlude was great! Now I've got it stuck in my head, LOL).
That was nice! Miss that time on the HST. Thanks.
Great video rob! As a civilian plane captain on the f-18, it’s pretty cool to see a view point from an aircraft that we fly on frequently off the boat! One question I do have is how come you guys don’t feather the props on shut down? Thanks again! Great video!
Those 8 blades are so weird from the 4 blade Hamilton Standard props I was used to! They had you TOW?? Very nice as always! Cheers!
That is the voice of a man that loves his job.
That outro was spot on! Great video!
It's always fun watching you navy pilots do your thing.
Nice job explaining things.
Back before I was born the TBF/TBM was used for Carrier Onboard Delivery. Then modified A1 Sky Raiders were used to deliver personnel and priority supplies. The C1 Trader was still in service when I joined the Marines but if I remember correctly, it was only used by reservists at the time. There were experiments with the C130.
The C2 Greyhound had some issues such as excessive airframe fatigue and there were rumors of converting some S-3 Vikings over to COD duties. In my opinion the C2 is limited to a dozen flight decks.
While on a November 77 to August 78 WESPAC aboard the USS Tripoli/LPH-10 a C-130 made an emergency resupply from CONUS. Included in the drop was mail dated the same day.
My brother Dave conducted CH-53E qualification on an AKA during the Eighties and was the last to make a successful landing and take-off, but the Super Stallion was never cleared to operate from the AKA due to mere inches of rotor blade clearance.
Should the CV-22 get its bugs ironed out, all of the helicopter carrier flight decks can be added to the COD list. Several other platforms can comfortably handle the Osprey (excluding the AKA--if there are any remaining in mothballs). A dozen platforms versus perhaps thirty without the need to use parachutes. How did the Greyhound handle in-flight refueling? "On paper" often doesn't translate into reality. President George W. Bush was a passenger aboard a Viking when he infamously landed on the Abraham Lincoln/CVN-72. This one-upped Richard Nixon's visit to USS Hornet/CVS-12 to personally greet the Apollo 11 astronauts.
Being able to launch missiles and fixed-wing aircraft (AV-8 Harrier, replaced by F-35B Lightning) from surface ships is a game changer in power projection. When will the US Navy catch up to the WW2 Imperial Japanese Navy with submarine aircraft carriers? Then there was this proposal: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSTAIN_(military)
Could SUSTAIN pull the COD mission? Can the C-27 Spartan be operated from both real aircraft carriers and the helicopter carriers? The C-130 didn't use arrestor cables or catapults--the smaller Spartan might get away without those, too. There are many glitches between wild-assed idea and routine operations--and COD started off in the Thirties using biplane torpedo bombers.
Good video-really cool. thank you for making this awesome .
I just hope the ASO And all other carrier air wing crewmen and maintainers aren’t watching. He’s wearing a ring on each hand?! Yay, safety.
Yellow shirt here, USS RANGER CV61,V1 DIV ,FLY 3 76 TO 78, FUNNEST JOB IVE EVER HAD.GREAT VIDS!!
Ty for the video
Another great video..!
Thank you sir.
Rob, was the C2 a radial piston prop plane in its early years..?
Nope, the C-2 had turboprops from the beginning. The C-1, which it replaced, had piston engines.
@@gordonbergslien30 ahh copy that.., thank you sir.
Awesome gow You get all those camera angles filmed by different people/cams even though you’re just landing/raking off👏
Love the voice over and the humour
Fantastic video I love this guy…… the last part was clutch. “ yall pilots working on it lotta switches and stuff.”😅
😂❤absolutely my favorite channel 🇺🇸 💪 thank you for your service
Great vid!!!
Love the C-2s!
Which plane will you be flying next? Great channel mate love the videos. Respect from Australia 🇦🇺
A very cool video. I was a CS so I never got to see the aviation side of the Navy.
Love it! Are the C-2's still planned to be retired soon or will they keep them for awhile because of the Osprey groundings?
The current plan is for the CVM-22B's to be fully transitioned in by 2028 with the original plan for retirement of the C-2 being in 2027. This was moved up to this fiscal year (FY24) and there has been no indication of sundown after 2024.
@@John-ct5op Thats lame, when they already proved that an updated model of the C-2 would be less costly and more effective. Someone definitely greased some palms there. I've personally never liked the Osprey. Too complex and has few if any additional benefits compared to the stuff they try to replace it with. Give it a year, the C-2 will make a comeback.
C2s can’t hover. Can’t carry a sling load. Can’t operate from a helo carrier. I love old Grumman airplanes though!
@@matthewprather7386 Yeah, and? The only helicopter carriers used by the Navy are part of the amphib fleet designed to move the Marines around, and guess what, the Marines have their own birds and aircrews.
The C-2 was designed to serve 1 role: moving cargo from shore to full sized carriers. It doesn't need to hover to do that, can carry as much or more cargo and only needs to be able to operate what its meant to operate from.
Your comment has literally zero point because you clearly don't understand the whole dynamic.
I really do hope your right.@@Stargazzer811
My dad was Navy when I was young but he was a Radioman 1st Class on Submarines. I ended up going ARNG as a combat engineer. As much as I like water, I wanted to be closer to home for most of my military contract.
When I was in the Navy (1966-70), the C-2 and its various related types were new and a major advancement from the venerable C-1 and related types. Although our air group ECM detatchment aircraft remained based on the C-1 for our Essex-Class carriers, the C-2 could easily operate off the smaller and older ships. The greyhounds were powerful and versatile birds. Sorry to see 'em flying off into the sunset. Good luck with the Osprey...
Thank you for all the mail calls
Gonna start calling the F/A-18C a baby hornet now. Thank you for that wonderful nickname.
When I was stationed on the U.S.S. Enterprise the C-2 Cod was my favorite aircraft because they brought mail! This was long before e-mail.
Great video, I have to ask, I work for the USAF at RAF Lakenheath. I often send parcels/packages to USS and USNS ships plus the odd submarine, I know they tend to go to a land based APO but do you guys then deliver it via a carrier? Just always wondered how the parcels I send out get to there final destination
Great question - the answer is yes! haha. We literally fly on any and all packages that need to go to the aircraft carrier. More often then not, they are Amazon Prime packages lol
My late brother began his AB career on the Randolph during Korea. I think the blast deflector would have made it easier for him to collect the sought after bucket of prop wash! Flight deck too busy for me, my service being Silent. Narragansett Bay
Cool video Mr.Roy. If I may ask, could the merch link boxes be put at the top of the screen? They overlay the subtitles (closed captions). Love the Osprey but the Greyhound is so cool looking.
Old Air Wing jarhead here. Land based catapult and arresting gear. (mid 70's) Seen lots of YT videos about these activities. I really enjoyed your style with this one.
Great video!!! Already suscribed!! Fly navy!!
Your narration is gold! For a sec I thought we might not get the "We are outahere! Seeyah!"
It’s like watching someone’s home movies but these are good ones!
this bird was born same with one if my favs, thanks for experience
FLY NAVY 👉
Wonderful! Well done, love your sense of humor. Ex-ATC here.
I flew off the USS Saratoga in a C-2 COD in 1984 from the Eastern Med back to the USA to attend my brother's funeral. I was lucky enough to serve with my brother on the same boat. I was airwing, (VA-83 Rampagers) while my brother worked in Pri-Fly.
Cool plane, got to work on them and E-2Cs at Norfolk in the 1980s, probably the same planes!
I worked at Grumman on the C2-A from 1985 through 1988 in Bethpage plant 1 building the side fuselage panels and interior work.
Loved it
Thanks Sergio and thanks for subscribing!
Awesome video man
I flew out to the Truman on a COD, I remember the rear door didn't seal and when we got to altitude the flight crew ran from the front to the back and had to jump on the door to get it to seal. Turned the whole aircraft into a cloud for about a min. Fun times in the worlds greatest navy!
Commentary on point as usual
So cool. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent. Loved this. One of my favourite planes. The Navy should keep these. I don't care much for the V-22, or trust them. Go Greyhound!
Thanks & Best Regards.
Love it! “That Hansel is so hot right now” 😂
damnit, had to google it 😂
Oh boy. You guys are sick. Talented, drilled, but sick. 👍
It’s so cool how at the beginning when you showed outside of the C-2 and the props looked like they were standing still. That’s so crazy.
Your commentary is on FIRE.
Haha thanks so much! Have you seen some of my latest videos?? youtube.com/@flyrobroy
My goal is to one day fly carrier aircraft. I know how hard it is but let’s see where dedication takes me. Thanks for sharing! God bless
What a great channel.