I got a high milage Civic Si 287K miles and and High mileage GTI at 240K miles. The GTI has cost me more though becasue I changed the the timing chain, and its had an oil leak . I just noticed that everything for the GTI is like 50 percent more or twice the price for things outside of oil changes. On the flip side, the VW feels better built, less rattles and more durable paint.
Cars nowadays are made to be replaceable. Like my godfather said, that it's not like back in the day when one could buy a car that was meant to be passed on from generation to generation, to kids and grandkids. With nowadays cars you wont be able to do that. They make them to be replaced.
This might be true, but people were saying the same thing back in the 2000s and 2010s. Yet here we are, people are still driving cars like BMW E60s with over 500,000 km on the odometer, sometimes even after being rolled back multiple times. Back then, everyone thought, Oh, all these electronics will fail soon. But as it turns out, they haven't. Modern cars might seem more complex, but advancements in technology and manufacturing have actually made them more reliable in many ways. With proper maintenance, even today's high-tech vehicles are built to last. Not to mention the rust issues... Modern vehicles rust way less than those built before the 2000s...
@OGBemfa great input from both comments. I’d like to add that any car can be made to go to really high mileage if you provide it maintenance. For many people, rod bearing work is maintenance, entire engine builds is maintenance. Replacing modules and sensors is maintenance. I believe it’s less cost prohibitive to maintain newer (more complex cars) as Father Time does truly impact the condition of older (more simple) cars.
@@motoringfan Absolutely, but cars today are being driven more than ever before. I remember meeting a guy who owned a 5-year-old VW Passat, I think it was a MY 2015 with an astonishing 500,000 km on the odometer. It was a company car, driven constantly, yet it looked and ran like new, still on its first engine! While not every car is built like that, it’s surprising how durable modern vehicles can be. What’s even more surprising is that many of those 150-200k km cars on the market likely have 2 or 3 times the mileage people think, and they’re still running great and go on another 100k km. This just goes to show how much mileage modern vehicles can endure, even if the numbers on the odometer don't always tell the full story. But then again, like with everything, it’s not a purely objective matter. Every car is different. I just wanted to point out that newer cars aren’t as bad at lasting a long time as many people think.
The comparison is totally off!!! Mainstream cars VS high tech real luxury cars!!! And not all are bad and not all get the proper maintenance!!! That’s why people fall for the “luxury” Japanese cars the let’s be honest…… are just rebadged mainstream cars in this case from Toyota,Honda and Nissan!!!! Are more simple cars without all the stuff the germans put in their cars!!! Now the driving and care of the cars makes a big difference….. im not saying the all German cars are good..NO! But some models like the 7 series is known for major issues so why buy 1? Get a 3 series or 5 the some years have better than others or C class or older E class!! Is that simple!!! Driving a Toyota is not the same thing than driving a German car and yall know that! I’m 100% sure if the germans at one point make reliability a priority like they did once…… all the owners of Japanese “premium” cars will buy one and those brands will go quietly!!!! F sport? Everyone knows the those guys want a AMG or M series!!!
The correct comparison is in between entry luxury German and Japanese cars. Meaning there should've been a direct comparison between Lexus, Acura, Infinity and Mercedes, Audi, BMW. Except some performance and other show off luxury parts, the Japanese win because of a far, far better reliability (Lexus is #1, while BMW is barely #9), low TCO (while the German counterparts have a double, even triple TCO=Total Cost of Ownership), durability. I walk the talk: after using too many entry luxury German cars (with issues even inthe first years of warranty) I switched to only top Japanese cars like a Lexus hybrid (already more than 5 years with ZERO issues). I am never getting back to German or ex-Swedish brands (Volvo is now Chinese), I am only interested in the leaders of the segments covering my needs.
The main problem in my opinion are the buyer expectations, and that goes especially for American car buyers. In my eyes, German luxury brands and Japanese mainstream cars are not even comparable. If you want luxury, you WILL need to be ready to pay for it. Japanese mainstream cars cause less trouble because they use more simple ans also tried and tested technology. Luxury cars offer far more features and cutting edge technology, where especially with bad maintenance there is much more to go wrong. HOWEVER with good maintenance, they can still be very reliable, and most importantly the issues are fixable in a reasonable (for the type of product) way. Just don't let yourself be ripped off by bad workshops (where even official dealers in some cases should be avoided). If you are NOT ready for maintaining a car, especially a luxury product and just care for it with hopes and dreams, then you should not even think about it and definitely resort to a highly reliable and simple car that will forgive you for not treating it well. And for many people who just need a dependable car and think about buying a luxury brand just for the flex, they would be well off with buying a Toyota Camry or something in that class. These cars are definitely good enough for most demands, they offer a lot for the price and are cheap enough to own. Luxury cars really are mainly targeted at people who can afford to fulfill the very highest expectations in a car, and cheap used prices should not fool you. Meanwhile, entry level "premium" brand models are honestly more of a cash grab than a real luxury product, so a double loss on the buyers side. Know what you can afford. Ask yourself if you really want a luxury product or if it is just a facade for you. Mainstream brands make good cars, and especially Japanese models offer a lot for the price and will be dependable for a long ownership period.
I have a 2022 m240 xdrive with a little over a year left of warranty. I am 100 percent getting rid of it before the warranty expires. I will replace it with a new camry or grand highlander max if I can get one. I also have a 2025 m2 g87 I will keep while under warranty. Great video and I agree with everything you said. Side note all the m performance bmw have switch to an unreliable b58 tu2 engine. So for 2025 the m240 and z40i are the only ones left with the reliable tu(technical update) engine.
Not so true for the Japanese entry luxury brands (such as Lexus #3 in low TCO and Acura #8 in TCO, Infinity being out of Top 10 reliability) with about third to a half the TCO of the German entry luxury brands (such as BMW and Audi, Mercedes is far down in reliability). For me? I walk the talk, one of my Japanese cars being a Lexus hybrid.
I got a high milage Civic Si 287K miles and and High mileage GTI at 240K miles. The GTI has cost me more though becasue I changed the the timing chain, and its had an oil leak . I just noticed that everything for the GTI is like 50 percent more or twice the price for things outside of oil changes. On the flip side, the VW feels better built, less rattles and more durable paint.
what years?
@@1_helper-PST the civic is a 2008 and the GTI is a 2015.
Cars nowadays are made to be replaceable. Like my godfather said, that it's not like back in the day when one could buy a car that was meant to be passed on from generation to generation, to kids and grandkids. With nowadays cars you wont be able to do that. They make them to be replaced.
This might be true, but people were saying the same thing back in the 2000s and 2010s. Yet here we are, people are still driving cars like BMW E60s with over 500,000 km on the odometer, sometimes even after being rolled back multiple times. Back then, everyone thought, Oh, all these electronics will fail soon. But as it turns out, they haven't. Modern cars might seem more complex, but advancements in technology and manufacturing have actually made them more reliable in many ways. With proper maintenance, even today's high-tech vehicles are built to last. Not to mention the rust issues... Modern vehicles rust way less than those built before the 2000s...
@OGBemfa great input from both comments. I’d like to add that any car can be made to go to really high mileage if you provide it maintenance. For many people, rod bearing work is maintenance, entire engine builds is maintenance. Replacing modules and sensors is maintenance. I believe it’s less cost prohibitive to maintain newer (more complex cars) as Father Time does truly impact the condition of older (more simple) cars.
@@motoringfan Absolutely, but cars today are being driven more than ever before. I remember meeting a guy who owned a 5-year-old VW Passat, I think it was a MY 2015 with an astonishing 500,000 km on the odometer. It was a company car, driven constantly, yet it looked and ran like new, still on its first engine! While not every car is built like that, it’s surprising how durable modern vehicles can be.
What’s even more surprising is that many of those 150-200k km cars on the market likely have 2 or 3 times the mileage people think, and they’re still running great and go on another 100k km. This just goes to show how much mileage modern vehicles can endure, even if the numbers on the odometer don't always tell the full story.
But then again, like with everything, it’s not a purely objective matter. Every car is different. I just wanted to point out that newer cars aren’t as bad at lasting a long time as many people think.
@@OGBemfa completely agree. Thanks for your input, its much valued
The comparison is totally off!!! Mainstream cars VS high tech real luxury cars!!! And not all are bad and not all get the proper maintenance!!! That’s why people fall for the “luxury” Japanese cars the let’s be honest…… are just rebadged mainstream cars in this case from Toyota,Honda and Nissan!!!! Are more simple cars without all the stuff the germans put in their cars!!! Now the driving and care of the cars makes a big difference….. im not saying the all German cars are good..NO! But some models like the 7 series is known for major issues so why buy 1? Get a 3 series or 5 the some years have better than others or C class or older E class!! Is that simple!!! Driving a Toyota is not the same thing than driving a German car and yall know that! I’m 100% sure if the germans at one point make reliability a priority like they did once…… all the owners of Japanese “premium” cars will buy one and those brands will go quietly!!!! F sport? Everyone knows the those guys want a AMG or M series!!!
The correct comparison is in between entry luxury German and Japanese cars.
Meaning there should've been a direct comparison between Lexus, Acura, Infinity and Mercedes, Audi, BMW. Except some performance and other show off luxury parts, the Japanese win because of a far, far better reliability (Lexus is #1, while BMW is barely #9), low TCO (while the German counterparts have a double, even triple TCO=Total Cost of Ownership), durability.
I walk the talk: after using too many entry luxury German cars (with issues even inthe first years of warranty) I switched to only top Japanese cars like a Lexus hybrid (already more than 5 years with ZERO issues). I am never getting back to German or ex-Swedish brands (Volvo is now Chinese), I am only interested in the leaders of the segments covering my needs.
The main problem in my opinion are the buyer expectations, and that goes especially for American car buyers. In my eyes, German luxury brands and Japanese mainstream cars are not even comparable. If you want luxury, you WILL need to be ready to pay for it. Japanese mainstream cars cause less trouble because they use more simple ans also tried and tested technology. Luxury cars offer far more features and cutting edge technology, where especially with bad maintenance there is much more to go wrong. HOWEVER with good maintenance, they can still be very reliable, and most importantly the issues are fixable in a reasonable (for the type of product) way. Just don't let yourself be ripped off by bad workshops (where even official dealers in some cases should be avoided).
If you are NOT ready for maintaining a car, especially a luxury product and just care for it with hopes and dreams, then you should not even think about it and definitely resort to a highly reliable and simple car that will forgive you for not treating it well.
And for many people who just need a dependable car and think about buying a luxury brand just for the flex, they would be well off with buying a Toyota Camry or something in that class. These cars are definitely good enough for most demands, they offer a lot for the price and are cheap enough to own. Luxury cars really are mainly targeted at people who can afford to fulfill the very highest expectations in a car, and cheap used prices should not fool you. Meanwhile, entry level "premium" brand models are honestly more of a cash grab than a real luxury product, so a double loss on the buyers side.
Know what you can afford. Ask yourself if you really want a luxury product or if it is just a facade for you. Mainstream brands make good cars, and especially Japanese models offer a lot for the price and will be dependable for a long ownership period.
Too many words.
Lexus>> Acura>BMW>>Audi>>Mercedes.
At least when studying the statistics on reliability and low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership).
I have a 2022 m240 xdrive with a little over a year left of warranty. I am 100 percent getting rid of it before the warranty expires. I will replace it with a new camry or grand highlander max if I can get one. I also have a 2025 m2 g87 I will keep while under warranty. Great video and I agree with everything you said. Side note all the m performance bmw have switch to an unreliable b58 tu2 engine. So for 2025 the m240 and z40i are the only ones left with the reliable tu(technical update) engine.
Thanks for your comment mate. I enjoy people who can have a discussion and see the nuances of cars. Great input.
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Good information 👍👍
This is a comparison between economy cars and luxury cars. Of course luxury cars are costlier to maintain.
Not so true for the Japanese entry luxury brands (such as Lexus #3 in low TCO and Acura #8 in TCO, Infinity being out of Top 10 reliability) with about third to a half the TCO of the German entry luxury brands (such as BMW and Audi, Mercedes is far down in reliability).
For me? I walk the talk, one of my Japanese cars being a Lexus hybrid.
@@codincoman9019 This worship for Japanese cars is an American thing. Everybody else knows Japanese cars are disposable.