SUGGESTION: If the aviation industry hasnt thought about it ... there might be a simple way to have a "detector" for ash or other particles that might work in a similar way and which havent been predicted by the weather forecasts: _A simple "sacrificial" piece of glass somewhere on the side, which is "softer" than the wear-resistant main glass. If that becomes milky "something is amiss". Checking that piece of glass could become part of the checklist easily._
I just had a thought with the 737 NG now becoming old and such: is there a new type rating planned for 737 NG pilots or will you continue to fly this plane for years to come?
@michaelscott5653 absolutely; a very well done aircrew !! The captain had started out early at a young age;developing a passion for flying. Very British to say, passengers hopefully you are not in distress. The passengers may or may not have been aware of situation. Overall it worked out well; again well done all of BA crew !!
@michaelscott5653 sorry, meant to say; an experienced crew !! We are looking at the 80' s era. Perhaps as time has gone by; hopefully crew is trained to be experienced as this one was. It perhaps depends on airline; culture; crm training; if so implemented. Hopefully air travel is a bit safer; prior to their infancy going back in the early 30's or earlier. Hopefully we have in the aviation world; have learnt from our mistakes.
Its up there with, "Things are a bit sticky, sir," when 600 men of the Gloucestershire Regiment were being attacked by 30,000 Chinese soldiers in Korea.
I'm betting he actually let go, i know i would have. When you have no time to deal with it and have to go, you just go. Deal with the mess later. Especially when lives are on the line.
My favourite tale about this incident is that Capt Moody said that everyone on the aircraft was now an honorary member of his Jakarta gliding ciub! What a guy! Leader of an exemplary team!!
"I trust you are not too distressed about this." This was so British. Also the old WW2 veteran who was not impressed and immediately tried to top this story with his own.
@@pommiebears From my perspective, I see "We used to hide our problems to be tough, now we're talking about them openly". Not trying to start an argument or anything, just saying we might not necessarily be getting "Whiny"
Omg I thought the parts with Captain were from some news article but you actually had a chance to talk to the Captain for this video. He seems to be a lovely person and a great Captain
Flight 9 is just an example of diligence and pure skill out of the pilots and engineer. "Never give up. Never surrender." They pulled it off. They saved the plane and the passengers.
@@whoknows8225 I would HOPE I had the wherewithal to do what they did... Especially in their dire situation, but Flight 9 lives on as a shining star as what SHOULD be done. And everyone walked away. Also, lessons learned. What a fantastic crew, both in and out of the cabin.
MEGA MEGA HUGS TO BA! Long story, but in brief, stepping on board the 747BA transatlantics was always like "coming home," and the crews, oh, soooo sweet - good natured, funny, absolutely darling... Love you all!
In the late 80's I used to work at Rolls Royce in Derby and this flight was still talked about. The story I heard was that when those engines came back for inspection and repairs the engineers were amazed he even got one restarted let alone all 4 the damage on them was that great having said that RB211 engines were known for being over engineered (as I would hope all Jet engines are) and could run in some amazing conditions.
@@reinbeers5322 I can't show you an example, after being out of the RAAF for 43 Yrs... BUT I have personally SEEN the "Sandblasting" effect on Fighter Jets Cockpit material... as said, its like someone used a sandblaster to get rid of the smooth surface, to make a Bonding surface for primer to adhere a section of surface with.
Yes, I was there when the engines were returned for inspection IT WAS VERY SCARY, the fitter who took apart the 03 module got out about 3 buckets of solidified ash, given the small volume of the 03 you can imagine how little air was getting through. The turbine blades. intermediate and high pressure were all so short as to be useless. Glad I was not on the flight.
@@dopiaza2006 If an engine gained a reputation for unreliability, airlines simply wouldn't buy them. It is they who decide which engines are used, not the airframe manufacturer.
The best part of this particular event discussion is that you had Captain Moody online with you giving you real time information. So many of your incident reports cannot include a member of the flight crew, but this was a refreshing additional component. Anytime you can do this, please add it to your outstanding videos.
In an interview with some of the crew, a question was asked about legendary British courage and keeping a "stiff upper lip" during the ordeal. One answered; "The upper lip may have been stiff but the knees were definitely knocking".
I’m from NY and i must say British people are quite stoic. My mom is from Irish ancestry and she rarely shows much worry or emotion about certain things.
The team work on landing with sand blasted windshields plus the communication amongst the crew during the crisis were outstanding. I have followed many disaster stories where these traits would have been of absolute life saving value.
One thing I learned in Kuwait as that you can temporarily sort of fix that problem by spraying water on it. I mean, it's not great, but better than nothing.
There was another great comment by Captain Moody: Someone asked him how it was, landing in the dark with no forward visibility. He said it was "like negotiating one's way up a badger's arse".
The visuals of the St. Elmo's fire were so cool! Couldn't imagine flying through something like that. Great job to the crew and thank you for all of your amazing videos!!
@@miles-thesleeper-monroe8466 Just looks crazy! Obviously not good to fly through volcanic ash as was so greatly explained but the visuals are great :)
@@cankzilla Well, you can see it near thunderstorms too, you don't need the volcanic ash for it :) You can even encounter it on the ground, at the top of high buildings with incoming thunderstorms, or at mountaintop structures. Though, for obvious reasons, that's also something you want to get away from since it is an indicator of coming lightning 😅
@@sleepyseraI've heard about St. Elmo's fire being seen gathering around ship's masts as well. Sailing vessels could only do so much to avoid an approaching storm so I'm guessing it was a signal to the crew to prepare for coming stormy weather.
As a retired airline pilot of some 40 years plus I salute this crew. There is a saying that it's money for old rope until this sort of thing happens. A fantastic example of problem solving and teamwork which saved the day.
What does that mean, exactly? “It’s money for old rope.” I’ve never heard this saying before, but for some reason, it intrigues me! 😁 Thanks! ✌️Best Regards from Tampa Bay Florida 🍊🍊🍊
@@bmell1252 It means money or reward earned for little or no effort. "To make money from old rope comes from the practice of picking apart old ropes to create oakum (a fibrous material used with hot pitch for caulking seams in old-time sailing vessels). It was a chore performed by women and children in Victorian workhouses or by sailors when their ships were docked."
Hello fireflyrobert, you are so right:TEAMWORK is really important in the airline-business (and also skills) !!! During my 33-year experience as a flight-attendant I was always amazed, how well working-hand-in-hand was performed by the whole crew. Well, otherwise problematic situations could easily get out of control. I think companies who "operate on the ground" could profit a lot from the knowledge/performance of crews, to avoid problems in their company.
Hi, I remember this incident well! At the time I was an Avionics Apprentice working for British Airways. I was one of the ground crew who worked on this aircraft once it returned to LHR. It required a lot of work to get it airworthy again. The plane still had a sulphurous smell to it when we were repairing it. All the pitot and static heads were replaced, every piece of piping from them was disconnected and blown clean and a whole lot more. I also remember cleaning and repacking the 400 odd passenger oxygen masks. It was in our hanger for many days, then went to the paint shop for a new coat of paint. The flight crew certainly earned thier money that night.
Peter Elder: Thank you! What a fascinating insight into the period after this incident. Glad to hear the aircraft survived (to 2004 bless it) and was so thoroughly refurbished to be returned to normal service.
I was also a BA apprentice at the time. In the video you state the aircraft was flown back to Heathrow to have the engines changed which would have been unsafe. New engines were flown out which I watched being loaded into a heavy lift aircraft and replaced on site. Also the version aircraft you use in the video was a Boeing 747-400 but it was a B747-200. Hope this helps
Considering how notorious volcanic ash is for messing up electronics and being impossible to remove, I’m impressed you were able to get it cleaned out at all.
I am a pilot and have flown some of the types of aircraft you make your videos on. I have to say you have nailed the analyses, being firstly respectful of all those involved, then discussing the possible failures, including the agencies' findings briefly, showing such illuminating videos and enabling even the lay viewer to easily understand the narrative. You give your entirely valid opinions at the appropriate time. I wish to congratulate you on running a valuable and informative channel of good quality and integrity. Also, you might mention your own name somewhere.
I want to say a heart-felt "Thank you" to Mentour Pilot team. As a lay person, I had never known that I would be completely addicted to this channel. What I love about Mentour Pilot is the way each episode is put together. All stories are told with 100% clarity so people with basic knowledge in physics can follow without difficulties. The facts are laid out in a well-structured, well-organised manner, and more importantly, without being hammed-up to create that melodrama that so many story-tellers end up offering. Most crucial of all, there is always a purpose and meaning to each of these programmes so even non-aviation professionals have something to take away. This particular episode gets my eyes well-up. Such an incredible story!
Couldn't have put it better. This man is in stark contrast to the many lazy view-farming videos of similar subject. It's like comparing the way they told the news on the TV in the 60s to the way they do today. What's the difference? *Well one's actually news, and the other is a drama*
31:00 as the metal of the engine blades and the fused "silica" have a different CTC (coefficient of thermal contraction) , when the engines are stopped and get cooled, the bonded "glass" will separate from the metal; also a fast cooling of very hot glass will make it break into pieces (thermal shock).
I had the honour, many years ago to be flown in a glider by Capt Moody. We were towed up on the first attempt by a winch line which broke at 1000 ft, much too low for a safe flight. Capt Moody banked right and circled in to a perfect landing, I was about 15 at the time and shaking like a leaf. I looked at him and said something like, "that was a quick reaction and a great landing, you must fly these a lot", he just smiled and said "Oh yes, but not as many hours as the 747"! We re-attached the winch and I had the best glider flight of my life.
Hats off to the flight crew. I can't even begin to imagine four of four flame outs. What a miracle in using glide slope and restarting those engines. As well as a tribute to the design of the engines being able to sustain damage...shut down then, after sustaining damage restart and produce enough thrust to keep an aircraft that weighs about a million pounds airborne. Absolutely amazing. Great narration.
Then i recommend you research "gimli glider", there is even a documentation here on youtube. The Gimli glider pilot from Canadian air didn't just have skills, he also must have had balls so big it seems like a miracle the plain got of the ground in the first place. Absolutely stunning.
@@bmell1252 I'm the same way, but I'm fascinated by flight information like this. I like the videos which end with results like this one did, of course.
These videos get better and better! Having Captain Eric Moody's input is fantastic. His PA is probably the most British thing I've ever heard and I am British!
There's an account published on the internet (possibly PPRUNE) of a legendary 1930s BA captain whose engineer accidentally shut off the fuel to all four engines whilst mid-Atlantic. It's reported that he simply turned around in his seat and said, "Strangely quiet, isn't it, Mr Smith?"
Peter, close friends of our parents were on that flight. For the rest of their lives they were quietly thankful for the exemplary determination and steadfastness of Eric Moody and his cockpit crew. They said it was on reflection a humbling experience. They did fly again and happily. They did say the takeoff from Indonesia was not without its internal tensions, but they still had to get home. Thanks for an excellent video. So nice to hear and see skipper and his perspectives. Philip. 🇳🇿
Two of the passengers actually got married! One wrote of her experience on this flight. I think ALL of the passengers and crew are still members of the "Galunggung Glider Association" if I'm not mistaken. Altogether an interesting flight. I'd think they should make a movie out of it.
I have to say coming from your Air France Flight 447 video to this one it's like night and day comparing the competency of the crew and how the situation was handled. The composure, teamwork and just sheer competency of this crew is a sight to behold. A great story and video.
Different circumstances and different jets. Ironically it would have been better for the Air France pilots to loose engine power for some time like happened here because their pitot tubes were always showing them slowing down and they started pitching up and as a result stalled. If Air France engines would have stalled they would have woken up the captain and had much less of chaotic situation in the cabin while they would just be gliding in calm way.. Eventually the pitot tubes of course did unfreeze on the Air France jet but then they were already in massive stall. If the engines had failed then a few minutes later all instruments would have been normal again and they would realize their altitude, pitch and speed
@@jonb3150 The inability of the Air France crew to understand the correct pitch & power settings for the aircraft they operated showed a fundamental lack of flying skill that is inexcusable.
@@Robinbamv Yes I would suggest you read my comment again. As I say it is different situation. If you are referring to the pilots not understanding the pitch and power settings because one of the pilot was pitching up while the other was not, then it is is not because they didn't "understand", it was more chaotic confusion. Because Airbus has the pitch sticks on the side of each pilot, they can't see with their own eyes what the other is doing. The pilot on the left thought he had the controls wile the pilot on the left seems to have thought he was not pitching up. Like I say, it is much more chaotic situation. I stand by what I said that temporary engine power loss would have been much better for the Air France flight since they would have just glided the plane and then got all instruments back when pitot tubes unfroze.
@@jonb3150yes they had a much simpler situation where a pilot created a crash out of nothing. It’s insane that trained pilots did not have 2 seconds in their brain to realize that the only reason a fully functioning airplane could be falling out of the sky would be due to stalling, and even I knew from some basic videos that you must pitch into the stall to recover from it. Imagine a pilot with thousands of hours of flight and sims. There are certain people that if you meet them you’ll know they shouldn’t be trusted with anything remotely complex and consequential, and I suspect that guy who created the accident was one of them. Flights like these at least make me hopeful that most pilots didn’t get there through incompetence.
@@jonb3150 The panic of the Air France FO happened before there were two people giving independent instructions to the plane. Even I knew before this incident a peto can become blocked. The FO failed completely to recognise a basic issue, reacted erratically and pancaked a plane full of passengers. He didn't aviate at any point, he pulled up, and up, into a stall.
I was a flight attendant for Continental Airlines and was flying to London when the volcano eruption was happening in Iceland in 2010. It was a crazy sight to see from a distance and of course we were a bit nervous once we got closer. Once we landed in London they shut the airport down. We were the last airplane they allowed to land because of the ash. We were like omg well ok lol. We were grounded for a few days because we couldn’t take off and the day we were given the thumbs up to leave we were told that they just cleared aircraft to takeoff for the day. So, we were going to be the first to leave lol. Once in the air the pilots found out they closed the airport right after we took off because it got bad again. It was crazy. We felt like the guinea pigs to check how the skies were for the rest of the flights lol Thankfully we made it in and out of London safely. But it was a tad unsettling and a bit scary.
I spent those few days packed onto trains and ferries with about every other person in Europe, having made the unwise decision to go away for my Easter break and now needing to return home ... I dunno, having breakfast with strangers on the floor of Cologne Hauptbahnhof and trekking confusedly around Belgium trying to get to a ferry terminal was fun and all, but your story sounds both more comfortable and more exciting at the same time 😅
The Iceland volcano eruption started while I was flying from Australia to Malaysia, when we arrived in Malaysia we learned most flights had been cancelled. I was fortunate to be flying to Japan, so was on one of the few flights that was able to depart that night.
Mentour documentaries are the best. The quality is amazing, and having a real Pilot presenting adds a level of authenticity TV shows just don't have. Keep doing what your doing Sir Mentour.
Confession, British Airways is my airline of choice. BA57 taking off from Johannesburg (283 souls) was only saved because the co pilot flew aerobatics. He put the near-stalled plane that was only 56 feet up into a dive and levelled out just above the ground. Absolute hero. Also the BA pilot who fought off an intruder on a flight to Nairobi whilst the plane went into a steep dive. "In the struggle the auto-pilot became disengaged and the jumbo was knocked off course, diving violently and plunging thousands of feet." Then he said "This is the Captain speaking. A very nasty man has just tried to kill us all" . British understatement!
I think a little more detail is required here - your story raises many questions. Also at least one correction, because there's no way to put a stalled airliner into a "dive" at 56 ft. - that's only a little over the height of the aircraft itself, certainly not enough altitude to dive and then level out and then land. It would take more than 56 ft of falling just to get level again. And having done so, the runway would be miles behind by that stage. And how did it get into a stall on takeoff in the first place? Very confusing story and I can't find any references to the incident in any media on line. When did this allegedly take place? Edit: Found a reference to a Daily Mail [barf, barf] article in 2010 which appears to have been taken down so no details available. Grateful if you can post somewhere with clarifications - tks
@@christopherbedford9897 pulled up out of a dive just above the rooftops over Jet Park. A BA pilot went through it with me, not just reported in The Bible!
@@christopherbedford9897 this pilot was a friend of mine. Stall warning, stick shake just after take off. Because the slats had retracted. He flew barely above the ground for several minutes nursing the aircraft up off the drag curve so they could accelerate gradually and eventually climb away. A knife edge piece of flying. Boeing test pilots tried it in the simulator and weren’t able to keep it airborne. Great job Jimmy B.
@@ANITIX87 it’s a matter of public record and was the subject of an investigation by the AAIB. Since there are two people here talking about the incident I’d suggest checking your facts before making a fool of yourself.
I’m 75 and have loved Aviation since the age of 13. Understanding how a 747 could stay in the air amazed me. This video was just outstanding and so informative. Captain Moody and his crew put their combined knowledge to work out how to save their plane and those souls on board. I for one was sorry to see the 747 disappear from passenger service. In 2010 we flew to Sharm el Sheikh for a two week holiday. With other guests we had to have a further week at the hotel as all UK flights had been suspended due to the Volcano on Iceland. I have subscribed to your amazing channel and will enjoy watching more video. I live about 50 minutes from Manchester MAN/EGCC so love to go there in the summer, plus watch the Live Streams. My sincere Thanks to you 👍👏🇬🇧
Initially thought 40 mins were a lot of time. Have to admit when the story is good, time flies! Great video, great animations, and the level of detail on the comments, both from you and the captain were just great. Keep up the good work
The animations are from a 747-400. The aircraft involved was a 747-236 which had round analogue flight instruments. Also, the stairs to the upper deck was spiral. The animation is a straight stairs from the -400. The story is told accurately however.
Too bad the computer illustration isn't a 747-200 as the "expert" claims the actual jet was. The 200 only has 10 windows on the upper deck and the hump is half as short. The aircraft shown in the video is a 400 or later with different avionics, engines and systems (not to mention not requiring a flight engineer.) Google an image of a 200 and you'll see I'm right.
I remember this incident well and I have always had the highest admiration and respect for British Airways pilots for their unflappability in impossible situations. A great airline that I first traveled in as a 20 year old from Kuala Lumpur to London on the BOAC Argonaut in 1954, and much later on the Concorde . A classy airline.
Great video. I worked for BA for 40 years and the 'big incidents' are imprinted in my memory, including this one. Capt Moody and his crew were rightly acclaimed as heroes.
How the miracle on the Hudson was made into a movie but this wasn't boggles the mind. A tonne more material to work with aswell I dare say. What a story!
@@jennifertwede7142 Yeah, like imagine 3 minutes of drama vs hours of tension and pressure over the open ocean then trying to navigate a mountain, then suddenly engines turning back on. Hard to believe this isn't already a figment of some hollywood writers imagination.
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 I don’t need three hours of tension for it to be a miraculous landing! And he didn’t have to ditch it. Honestly, if anyone but a glider pilot had been flying, they would’ve crashed.
53 dislikes- how could anyone dislike this if you are even a bit interested in aviation. This one of the best aviation documentaries I have ever seen. As an ex glider pilot, I can see how captain Moody's glider experience may have saved the day here. Just like riding a motorcycle makes you a better driver, glider experience makes you a far better power pilot. In a glider you only get one chance to land on each flight- no go arounds!
I personally dislike every video that has the sponsor sh*. I hate the youtube’s own commercials just enough. It boils my blood having to watch that as well.
@@tomaszfaszcza852 hi! I find that fascinating. Why would you be so enraged by creators being paid for their work? Would you prefer paying money out of your own pocket for the content or do you think people should simply be working for free? My RUclips channel currently employs 3 full time people including myself. I would never be able to find/research/film/edit and create graphics for a release every week if it wasn’t for my sponsors, Patreons and Adsense. That might be worth considering. Have a great evening.
Captain Moody and his cockpit crew were really fine examples of BA's high quality training and calmness in a high drama situation. Many congratulations to them.
This story is utterly amazing. And told with a wonderful narrative gift. The expertise is obvious, partly because it’s so modestly but completely in control of the way the story is told. I’m sure there are lots of pilots as experienced and knowledgable as Mentour Pilot, but there can’t be many - aren’t any I’ve seen, anyway - who can tell the story without sacrificing technical detail and make it riveting for someone like me who can barely understand how a plane can even fly. Thanks for a brilliant presentation of an extraordinary story.
I attended a presentation about this incident, given by Eric Moody. You could have heard a pin drop. It was the most spell-binding hour I have ever spent listening to such a wonderful man. Btw, he said the windscreen was shipped to California where it was reground and shipped back for the flight back to LHR. This video also omitted the information that they issued a mayday to Jakarta, turned the plane but saw no sign of the airstrip. Eric Moody asked the Co-Pilot to get on the radio and ask if they had switched on the runway lights, which they hadn't. Eric Moody told us that the flight after this he had what was thought to be an attempted hi-jack, the one after that he had a passenger death.
Well put, and I agree 100%. There's something truly extraordinary about the ability of some people to combine the learning of their rigorous training, reinforced with continuous practice, with off-the-scale spontaneous creative problem-solving and insight, all at a time of unimaginable stress. It's good to be reminded of the heroism of guys like this, and Capt. Sullenberger, especially when the world can look like a pretty dark place.
@T S, I could not have said it better. Bravo to the flight crew & cabin crew for their brilliant professionalism. That was incredible. And 👏🏻 for Peter’s excellent riveting story telling & his expertise explanations.
I worked for R-R at the time of this incident, and had the great pleasure of hearing Captain Moody talk about it in a meeting at Farnborough. He was the epitome of a laid-back unflappable pilot, with a great sense of humour. I recall his pride in being the only captain to have five engines fail on a four engined aircraft!
@@eland65 No, the "s" is required by grammar. This is because there are only four engines that can fail. If on fails two times there are still only four engines.
Good account of what could have been an appalling disaster. These guys were absolute heroes. Staying calm, trying to find out what the problem was and doing their very best to land the plane safely. You could never train for every eventuality so a lot of discussion with the cabin crew, intelligent guesswork and gentle experimentation must have gone on as they did not understand the cause at the time. Real focused teamwork in quite a short time. Trying again and again to get the engines going and finally succeeding must have been incredible! Nice to see Captain Moody describe the events, too. He of the massive British understatement! That really made it for me.
99.9% of pilots are not suicidal and 99.9% of the remainder would never consider taking their passengers with them. The average person is likely to panic in a life threatening situation but this well trained and experienced flight crew calmly took a few seconds to asses their position. At 37,000 feet they could glide for perhaps sixty nautical miles! No passenger on this flight could have been unaware that all four engines had stopped. No point in Captain Moody lying to the passengers. His understatement of the problem and reassurance to the passengers that they hoped to restart the engines was perfect.
I agree. The flight where the captain was sucked out of the windshield was amazing. I have flown BA a number of times. My sister asked which airline to take from Tampa to the UK and I said BA without a doubt. She and her husband had a connecting flight to Croatia for a vacation with friends who live on a yacht there. They loved BA.
@@Maya-bu2rf Yeah you're not 100% sure whether the flight will go to plan or not, but you have complete confidence in the ability of the staff to get you through it. And I think that is the highest praise one can give to an airline or anything professional organisation in any field.
This is my FAVOURITE aviation incident !! It's such an interesting story, and we learnt so much from this flight. I was waiting for the day you would make an episode on flight 009 because I love how much your perspective adds to the story.
This actually was the incident that got me interested in aviation..! Back in 2011, there was the Icelandic volcano eription and many flights were canceled. That is when I heard of this event, and I am hooked on air crash investigation now...
@@NarnianLady cool, I never knew volcano ash could do that much damage to the engines and never really understod why they cancelled the flights before this video 👍🏼
The production values on this video are stellar quality!! Animations are beautifully designed and executed. Script is excellent, very clear and comprehensive, and so well delivered. Thanks for this wonderful video and your others as well!
I wonder if Mentour Pilot does a video of JAL 747 cargo flt 1628 over Alaska. Instead of volcanic ash it was you know what. Anchorage ATC showed nothing on their radar but NORAD ROCC did and had the 747 do a 360° turn to try to shake the "folks" tailing them 😆
@@drmayeda1930 According to the pilot of the JAL 747 cargo jet whatever NORAD picked up was twice the size of an aircraft carrier. And this managed to elude Anchorage radar. I wish that NATO would get ahold of ET technology then Putin and Xi Jinping would be licking their boots.
@@MentourPilot Why was this not a known problem before 1982? Bigger fans concentrating more particles? Hotter engines? More refined and thus less robust engines? Flying higher altitudes? Or simple chance? More flights so more likely hood of flying through an ash cloud. I assume that volcanic activity hasn't increased. Flight routes probably not a big factor.
I was surprised that they were able to quickly fly it home. I assume any engine overhaul would be more than three days, and unlikely to change all four. Despite the long list of potential damage perhaps the cooled glass all broke off the engine and little critical damage.
@@brianwest2775 Qantas had serious engineering support available out of Sydney and Singapore Airlines have similar support available out of Singapore. Either can replace a full set of engines on a 747 overnight from spares in stock. Getting the mechanics to the plane and the ash out of the air system would be the time consuming part. KLM 864 had exactly the same thing happen in 1989 over Alaska.
I heard this story first-hand from Capt. Moody at Boscombe Down some years ago. I also remember seeing the aircraft, at Bournemouth I think, after its retirement. I remember Eric Moody saying one of the ground engineers said to him that he wished they hadn't re-started the engines, so they could have been examined more closely! Capt. Moody, being the gentleman he is, did not relate his reply! He also keeps in touch with the crew and passengers on that flight through a group he founded called the Galunggung Gliding Club.
I mean... I know what the engineer wanted to know though. He wanted to see what it looked like having an engine full of volcanic ash. :D For... research purposes of course. I suppose it would make it somewhat easier to figure out why the engines seized up.
Fantastic! Had the honor of Captain Moody flying a BA flight I was on many yrs ago from Heathrow. Still chuckling at "negotiating my way up a badgers arse" quote. Amazing team work.
I just discovered this channel today. My dad was obsessed with airplanes. I grew up hearing my dad read stories of airplane crashes. So many of these I heard as a child...interesting hearing more about them. I read the book "All Four Engines Have Failed" as a preteen or teen. And "The Ghost of Flight 401". And many books of various crash stories. I really wish I could share this video with my dad...he'd have loved it. Especially the interview clips. Sadly, my dad passed away 5.5 years ago.
Honestly, I’m not sure if it’s possible to teach someone to remain calm under pressure. From observation of people, it seems that our reaction to stress is ingrained and can’t really be changed. That being said, I hope I’m wrong because the world would certainly benefit from having more stress-resilient people.
We covered this in my days in a university flight program but never to this degree. Truly a remarkable piece of aviation history. You, sir, are a pleasure to listen to. Fantastic description whether the audience are laymen or seasoned aviators. Top job.
Mentour Pilot: another gripping story which kept me on the edge of my seat. The interview snippets with Capt.Moody were wonderful to see, that he is still alive and I hope able to enjoy his life. This event was a win-win for the airline industry and passengers: an important learning opportunity due to a serious incident with absolutely no loss of life or injury.
I was told by the guy who did my flight training that aviation is a matter of learned skill, some talent, and an excruciating attention to detail. He also told me takeoffs are optional, landings are not.
I had no idea. The crew especially Captain Eric were so humble. They were aviation superstars I’ve watched so much about this flight, and it’s amazing. I’ve watched it so many times on ‘Air Crash Investigation’! The crew were amazing. Had it not of been this crew, it very possibly ended the way it did.
Dear Sir, Your explanation is highly admirable. Are you an Aeronautics Engineer. Please keep it up. May God Bless you. Thanks. Capt. George Samarawickrama (A Fmr. Sri Lankan Army Capt.) Vienna - Austria.
Brilliant. Well scripted, well presented, and getting hold of/interviewing the planes captain was an amazing touch. If there was an Oscars style award for RUclips content creators, this video would at bare minimum be on the nominations list.
British Airways 009 was one of the first aviation incidents that really made a mark on me. The whole concept of that fateful flight, from the mystery of the situation, to the crew pulling through against all odds, and the unique aftermath of the situation simply makes this one of the most impactful aviation incidents for me. I actually live in close vicinity to Taal Volcano in the Philippines, which has since started erupting again. Whenever PHIVOLCS, our volcanology authority releases a notice for aircraft to avoid the airspace around the volcano, I think about that Speedbird 747 who lost all four engines in the midst of a brilliant show of light.
Another airline might have crashed but British airways never crash, even if the pilot is sucked out the window normal service continues and everyone touches down safely.
I retired from Texas to Cavite in 2018 and live about 30km North of Taal. I am also retired ARFF firefighter (Aircraft Rescue Firefighting). I love these videos that get into the avionic details! Salut neighbor!
Incredible story. They have faced what would have seem impossible. If there was cockpit WTF per minute indicator it would have broken its needle. Yet, they properly identified cause and managed to find a proper way to escape the danger. Outstanding
Oddly enough, glider pilots make for some of the best pilots in general. So, a normally bad situation isn't as bad as it could be if the pilot has glider experience. So, as bad as it is, it is actually one of the better scenarios.
Your graphics are so incredible! When you’re showing the story of the technical aspects along with the mechanical, it’s par none! The way you tell the story and integrate the actual pilot testimony is perfect. Your ability to get the right technical people along with your knowledge, your videos have become riveting!
Apart from it being a Boeing 747-400 which didn't join the BA fleet for another seven years and it should say 'British' on the side, not 'British Airways'. But hey, Mayday/Air Crash Investigation, the Discovery Channel show did theirs in the Landor livery which wasn't introduced until December 1984.
An excellent review apart from the the inaccurate use of a B747-400 model airplane when the actual aircraft involved was a B747-200 classic which fortunately still had the onboard technical expertise of a professional Flight Engineer
WRONG - Too bad the computer illustration isn't a 747-200 as the "expert" claims the actual jet was. The 200 only has 10 windows on the upper deck and the hump is half as short. The aircraft shown in the video is a 400 or later with different avionics, engines and systems (not to mention not requiring a flight engineer.) Google an image of a 200 and you'll see I'm right.
@@rouser301 Does he say in the video that he’s an expert (other than being a pilot/captain himself)? In the description of the video he does say it’s a 747-200, check it out.
Somehow I wasn't aware of this story - my god, it is incredible on so many levels. Captain Moody is a remarkable human being and guardian angel of everyone on that flight and those who lived in close proximity to the Jakarta Airport. I welled up at the part of the story about the landing! And finally, my jaw literally (not figuratively) dropped that the aircraft was in commission for another 22 years (and I mean that positively)! Mr Mentour Pilot - what a brilliant presentation of this story, an extremely talented communicator. So glad RUclips algorithm put this in my feed 🤩
I’ve got a better one. Northwest 747. Honolulu to Tokyo. Complete hydraulic failure at 45,000 feet. Safely landed in Tokyo was a miracle beyond expectation
@@janephilpott6565 - Just don't try going on Helio's! I was lucky never to fly on one... being as superior Officers (RAAF) got my crew of 4's seats for joyrides! They all pranged! Even ones later on when stationed in TVL and having to redo my "drop-in" aircraft firefighting training with my crew, yes, those officers pushing us aside... I wonder if they may have considered that as "KARMA" or not?!
Always good to hear Capt Moody. I flew on this aeroplane 6-months later, just after it had re-entered service following a thorough inspection. The cockpit and cabin were clean and evident that several instruments had been replaced. A few years later I also flew with the co-pilot from this flight; I don't recall his name, but he was a tall fellow and I spent some time on the flight deck talking with him. The aeroplane was a 747-236, G-BDXH, which was sold to EAL in 2002 based at Hurn, and broken up in 2009.
Howdy There.. Like your videos last year about The Sully Challenge to different airports. That 100 agl turn to align at Teterboro was fighter pilot precise..
I'm not sure that all four went silent. #4 was definitely down because they actually went through the procedure to shut it down by turning off the fuel supply and pulling its fire handle. I don't think they did that with the other 3 engines, hence the discussion about whether they should try to restart #4. The other three were barely running, but between the three of them-or maybe only one of them-there was enough electrical power being produced to keep the avionics and lighting going. Some airlines took the 747 with no APU as the probability of all four engines shutting down in flight was considered remote. Most jet engines can't be restarted above about 25,000 ft and as the engine wears out that altitude gets lower and lower. Because the engines were so worn out by the sandblasting ash they needed the denser air below 15,000 ft to relight. The increased windmilling effect of the denser air may have helped the restart too.
@@petep.2092 They shut down #4 at first, but they tried to restart it eventually. It was the first engine to start working again once they dropped down to a lower altitude
I started the week with no earthly idea about Mentour........and I'm ending it as a full, blown, addict ! Many thanks for all your insight and efforts 👍
@@MentourPilot Many thanks, I will never wash this part of my screen again 😎 All kidding aside, I've never found it easier to discover the answers to aviation topics or to be entertained and informed in equal parts. If you ever branch out into life-coaching, I'll be the first in line - you've a way of engaging your audience that I find extremely effective. 👍
Yes I remember when I was on a B777 flight from Vancouver Canada to Manila Philippines. We also encountered this phenomenon, where it was glowing outside the airplane. The pilot did exactly what the SOP says - to turn around 180 and fly a little lower. We never lost engine power. So we headed to Hawaii to re fuel and finish the last leg of the trip to Manila.
I don't know the first thing about flying any plane, but this crew are true heroes. Captain Moody is the best example of how important it is to keep your cool in an emergency situation. Also the presentation of this story is first class!
Ah, the famous British understatement, going along with the moto 'don't make a drama out of a crisis'. Being British this brief sounded very normal to me culturally. We tend to play down everything even up to the point of the possibility of one's imminent demise! This is to keep a sense that you are in control not only to others, but to yourself as well, and helps to focus the mind on the problem at hand right up to the last second. I did love the 'we have a little problem...' when explaining all four engines had failed. That is master understatment!
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. " Kay-MIB
They brithis so its spose to this it culd worse tea pod get broken XD Yea you are right just handeling with out of cafein but at least his blader probbly became more relax at least
Holy crap! When you mentioned that G-BDXH went to EAF to see her days out, I just realised that I worked with this very aircraft between 2002 - 2004. As far as I was concerned, EAF's biggest claim to fame was that they were owned by Paul Stoddart, the guy who ran the Minardi Formula 1 team. I was familiar with the story of Capt. Moody and BA009 at the time, but had no idea that I was working with his old bird until just now.
This story is beyond belief! What a tremendous job the flight crew did and kudos to you Petter for going through the steps to get that interview with the captain! As always, you are one master storyteller. I'm am working on getting all my friends and associates hooked on your channel :-). This is one video I am going to share with them to get them hooked.
The Air Crash Investigation episode for this one is fantastic. There's also a great book called "All Four Engines Have Failed" by Betty Tootell, who was a passenger on this flight.
I used to show this Air Crash investigation to my student ATPLs, as an example of extremely good crew cooperation. I had an email exchange with Eric Moody about 3 years ago. Sadly Betty had passed away a year or so earlier. Her husband, who she met on the flight, predeceased her by about a year.
From reading about this many years ago, I remember that one of the stewardesses said to some of the passengers ‘if we don’t get the engines started we’ll be up here all night…’
I'd say they were really effective at communicating the signs and dangers of ash clouds, because "volcanic ash" was the first thing that popped into my head watching this video, without even being familiar with the name/location of this incident. This is actually one of the strangely comforting thoughts I have about flying: even if the flight gets in a horrific incident, there's a very good chance that authorities will be able to learn from it and make everyone safer in the future.
I lived in Jakarta at the time as a young child, but I remember my parents still talk about this flight. They tell me that the plane itself was off a runway (?) to the side, with most livery blasted off due to ash. Maybe they got it wrong, but I do not imagine my parents making up stories. In my kid brain, this is where I started to be afraid of flying. Either way, Captain Moody and his crew are heroes. Good on you.
I tried and failed to find an actual photograph of the aircraft after landing, but when it was being prepared to make it airworthy again it did need new paint. Volcanic ash is very abrasive and it had so badly etched the windows that the air crew were forced to deplane directly on the runway as they couldn't see out the windows well enough to taxi to the terminal. A lot of people did mention that the paint looked almost sandblasted off; maybe some exaggerated to what extent this happened but it does seem at plausible that it happened to some degree. (When sandblasting is done intentionally this is almost exactly what the volcanic ash would have done.) It wasn't "off the runway" though it wasn't perfectly centered to be sure, and the pilots were about to attempt to taxi to the terminal but had to abandon that plan due to near zero visibility due to the badly etched windows. People react in different ways but if anything this story would make me less afraid of flying if anything knowing how professional and resourceful the air crew was. This could have turned out a lot worse. All passengers and crew survived and with much work the aircraft was eventually returned to service and was in airworthy condition for another 22 years. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
By "off the runway" they probably meant that as layman's terms for being on the high speed taxiway rather than the more technical understanding of leaving the runway in an unplanned manner, such as an overrun or veer to one side. Likely just one or both parties not fully understanding the technical jargon, or the process of landing a plane. Could have also been caused by the news station giving the story!
@@vidpie I can assure you that image is just a very poor photoshop job. There were reasonable photos in Betty Tootall's book, including some from the engines during inspection.
I’ve flown thru St. Elmo’s fire in the Pacific. GORGEOUS! We’d touch the wind screen and trace the paths while getting a tingle near metal dividers in the wind screen. Also got to see rings of it circling and streaming off the propellers. That was on the USN P-3 back in the day.
I recall seeing Apollo 13 many years ago and KNEW rationally they survived but emotionally I was rivetted to find out if they would get out of that mess. You did a fantastic job of telling the story with the same intensity and honesty. When Captain Moody was speaking it is clear they survived but then I simply had to know how. Great work.
I've watched so many of these videos in this channels and it becomes very clear how a pilot responds in emergencies makes all the difference and very rarely is it the aircraft alone that is the issue. A calmer well trained pilot makes less mistake and a lesser pilot turns into a rouge causing the loss of lives.
I'm sure I'm reading into this post, but one could interpret it that the OP at some point in time, endeavored to sabotage Peter's career as a pilot! 😐 So, what gives, gentlemen?
@@JCDofNYC Yes, I’m sure you are reading into it. I don’t see any reason to think he sabotaged anything. Surely he just meant that Mentour Pilot is a great channel and while he would like to support the channel via Patreon or whatever, he is not able to do so (perhaps finances are tight). Cuz I feel the same way. Such a great channel, I wish I had the extra funds to help more.
@Anna Beth Wivell He's a professional pilot with a monetized and successful channel, merch etc. Pretty sure he's not struggling financially. Why not simply chill and enjoy, and give your money to an animal rescue or something that alleviate someone's suffering. Peter seems like a good bloke, he'd undoubtedly understand.
Holy moly I couldn't even imagine how horrifying that was for the crew, let alone the passengers. That Capt Moody is the epidamy of class! Thanks for sharing this! I remember watching the evening news and Walter Cronkite broke this story.
I would suggest that this incident is a exemplar of superb CRM. The actions of the crew represent the very best of aviation skills. It is also a tribute to the amazing engineering of Rolls-Royce. Eric Moody's PA to the passengers is arguably the greatest example of British understatement in history. Aviate-navigate-communicate. This flight did it in spades!
Amazing, absolute professionalism from pilots and crew, to fly into an unknown situation and deal with it in such a manner as to survive...just brilliant.
A very good presentation of a horrific incident. I know Eric and have always had the utmost admiration for his handling of this event. A more laid back and amusing character you could not hope to meet.
This incident when watching air crash investigation is one that stands out to me. These pilots are who I would want to pilot my plane if I had a choice. They were under some of the most difficult and stressful situation you can be in as a pilot and they made it all happen. Which is phenomenal as a pilot
Don't they reckon you think better when you need to drain the python? Needing a piss might have helped in the situation with him making better decisions..
I watch a lot of videos on this channel and this is one of his best! AMAZING storytelling, deep descriptions of the challenges on this flight and animation/graphics. Well done!
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Excellent reporting very professional on the story
@Catharina, Sweden Förmodligen, då jag inte får några sådana klagomål från engelsktalande tittare. 😉
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SUGGESTION: If the aviation industry hasnt thought about it ... there might be a simple way to have a "detector" for ash or other particles that might work in a similar way and which havent been predicted by the weather forecasts:
_A simple "sacrificial" piece of glass somewhere on the side, which is "softer" than the wear-resistant main glass. If that becomes milky "something is amiss". Checking that piece of glass could become part of the checklist easily._
I just had a thought with the 737 NG now becoming old and such: is there a new type rating planned for 737 NG pilots or will you continue to fly this plane for years to come?
R.I.P Captain Eric Moody, your bravery and airmanship will never be forgotten.
A superstar in the cockpit for sure
@michaelscott5653 absolutely; a very well done aircrew !! The captain had started out early at a young age;developing a passion for flying. Very British to say, passengers hopefully you are not in distress. The passengers may or may not have been aware of situation. Overall it worked out well; again well done all of BA crew !!
@michaelscott5653 sorry, meant to say; an experienced crew !! We are looking at the 80' s era. Perhaps as time has gone by; hopefully crew is trained to be experienced as this one was. It perhaps depends on airline; culture; crm training; if so implemented. Hopefully air travel is a bit safer; prior to their infancy going back in the early 30's or earlier. Hopefully we have in the aviation world; have learnt from our mistakes.
“We have a small problem, all four engines have stopped.” British understatement at its finest.
*Old WWII vet has entered the chat*
Stiff upper lip.
😂
We British have a saying: It could be worse
@@RenoReborn james may 😆
"A small problem in that all our four engines have failed". Oh, man, that is quite an understatement.
Right? Understatement of the century.
As a passenger you have to chose wisely in dying of laughter or waiting for ground impact.
I also think they were very much aware of what was going on at that point, with all the St. Elmo's Fire and the engine sound vanishing completely.
Its up there with, "Things are a bit sticky, sir," when 600 men of the Gloucestershire Regiment were being attacked by 30,000 Chinese soldiers in Korea.
God bless the British. They are the kings of understatement.
R.I.P Captain Moody. You and your crew did an outstanding job getting everyone down safely.
Has he passed away?? 😮😮
@@zabi_aka Just recently yes
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The unsung hero in this incident is captain Moody's bladder.
I know, right?
Press "p" to pay respects.
Aviate, navigate, communicate, micturate.
I'm betting he actually let go, i know i would have. When you have no time to deal with it and have to go, you just go. Deal with the mess later. Especially when lives are on the line.
or his sphincter... we weren't told...
Absolutely brilliant crew.
"A small problem insofar as all our engines have failed."
That's such a British way to say it
"A bit of a pickle"
has the same energy as " a small loan of a million dollars"
I ask myself in which situation he would say we have a big problem ^^
As a British person this is hilarious 😂
My favourite tale about this incident is that Capt Moody said that everyone on the aircraft was now an honorary member of his Jakarta gliding ciub! What a guy! Leader of an exemplary team!!
The Galunggong Glider Club. A very exclusive estabishment.
@@seanbigay1042 Yep, that part was even featured on the Air Crash Investigation episode, right in the end!
well said, i wish there are more like this man, awesome example of a great human
Uh,what mean
@@sukhygill9596 Born pilot, in my estimation.
"I trust you are not too distressed about this."
This was so British.
Also the old WW2 veteran who was not impressed and immediately tried to top this story with his own.
We used to have grit, and stiff upper lips. Now, we’re turning into a bunch of whiners. Just my opinion.
@@pommiebears yep just look at you whining.
Maybe a B-52 pilot will top it with a story where he lost eight engines...
@@pommiebears From my perspective, I see "We used to hide our problems to be tough, now we're talking about them openly". Not trying to start an argument or anything, just saying we might not necessarily be getting "Whiny"
the vet was an ass for doing so, he did not have a plane full of passengers to save.
Omg I thought the parts with Captain were from some news article but you actually had a chance to talk to the Captain for this video. He seems to be a lovely person and a great Captain
He is
@@MentourPilot he was* unfortunately he just recently passed away
He just passed away
He seemed so lively in the interview, too 😢
that's sad. i liked him... :'(
Flight 9 is just an example of diligence and pure skill out of the pilots and engineer. "Never give up. Never surrender." They pulled it off. They saved the plane and the passengers.
NSEA Protector, Captain Peter Quincy Taggart.
Galaxy Quest is a 10 out of 10 movie!
@@mikebronicki8264 HAH! You got my reference. And you are 100% correct. Great movie!
who would give up in a situation like that tho... not anyone that deserves a pilot seat anyway
@@whoknows8225 I would HOPE I had the wherewithal to do what they did... Especially in their dire situation, but Flight 9 lives on as a shining star as what SHOULD be done. And everyone walked away. Also, lessons learned. What a fantastic crew, both in and out of the cabin.
Indeed. Exceptional pilots. Then again what where they supposed to say on the PA?? Scream : "oh my gaaawd we're going to dieeeeee!!😂
I was an air hostess in 2005 and flew with Captain Moody at BA. We saw this incident on training but I didn't realise it was him at the time.
MEGA MEGA HUGS TO BA! Long story, but in brief, stepping on board the 747BA transatlantics was always like "coming home," and the crews, oh, soooo sweet - good natured, funny, absolutely darling... Love you all!
One of the many classic Brit’s in the era will be be missed
True definition to al of a great country
Modest too then? Great chap
@Sezfluffy you were blessed to fly with such an experienced captain
In the late 80's I used to work at Rolls Royce in Derby and this flight was still talked about. The story I heard was that when those engines came back for inspection and repairs the engineers were amazed he even got one restarted let alone all 4 the damage on them was that great having said that RB211 engines were known for being over engineered (as I would hope all Jet engines are) and could run in some amazing conditions.
What exactly was damaged inside the engines? Are there any pictures of the inside of them?
@@reinbeers5322 I can't show you an example, after being out of the RAAF for 43 Yrs... BUT I have personally SEEN the "Sandblasting" effect on Fighter Jets Cockpit material... as said, its like someone used a sandblaster to get rid of the smooth surface, to make a Bonding surface for primer to adhere a section of surface with.
Yes, I was there when the engines were returned for inspection IT WAS VERY SCARY, the fitter who took apart the 03 module got out about 3 buckets of solidified ash, given the small volume of the 03 you can imagine how little air was getting through. The turbine blades. intermediate and high pressure were all so short as to be useless. Glad I was not on the flight.
I would imagine today's engines are built to a budget, not to be as reliable as possible.
@@dopiaza2006 If an engine gained a reputation for unreliability, airlines simply wouldn't buy them. It is they who decide which engines are used, not the airframe manufacturer.
The best part of this particular event discussion is that you had Captain Moody online with you giving you real time information. So many of your incident reports cannot include a member of the flight crew, but this was a refreshing additional component. Anytime you can do this, please add it to your outstanding videos.
Try the star newspaper or scope magazine. I remember it too
Unfortunately, most plane incidents don't have a flight crew who can talk any longer.
Yes, it was brilliant that he was the one who quoted his own p.a. from so many years previously.
In an interview with some of the crew, a question was asked about legendary British courage and keeping a "stiff upper lip" during the ordeal. One answered; "The upper lip may have been stiff but the knees were definitely knocking".
Hahaha, I bet the sphincters were twitching as well!
What an adorable answer from the crewman.
He's amazing 😍
I’m from NY and i must say British people are quite stoic. My mom is from Irish ancestry and she rarely shows much worry or emotion about certain things.
And now the UK is infested with illegals so there's no such thing as British natives anymore.
Their country has been lost.
The team work on landing with sand blasted windshields plus the communication amongst the crew during the crisis were outstanding. I have followed many disaster stories where these traits would have been of absolute life saving value.
One thing I learned in Kuwait as that you can temporarily sort of fix that problem by spraying water on it. I mean, it's not great, but better than nothing.
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There was another great comment by Captain Moody: Someone asked him how it was, landing in the dark with no forward visibility. He said it was "like negotiating one's way up a badger's arse".
The visuals of the St. Elmo's fire were so cool! Couldn't imagine flying through something like that. Great job to the crew and thank you for all of your amazing videos!!
Or "Monsieur St Elmooo" as our French French friends refer to it. When they encountered it and crashed n a330 minutes later. Spooks you.
@@miles-thesleeper-monroe8466 Just looks crazy! Obviously not good to fly through volcanic ash as was so greatly explained but the visuals are great :)
@@cankzilla Well, you can see it near thunderstorms too, you don't need the volcanic ash for it :) You can even encounter it on the ground, at the top of high buildings with incoming thunderstorms, or at mountaintop structures. Though, for obvious reasons, that's also something you want to get away from since it is an indicator of coming lightning 😅
@@sleepyseraI've heard about St. Elmo's fire being seen gathering around ship's masts as well. Sailing vessels could only do so much to avoid an approaching storm so I'm guessing it was a signal to the crew to prepare for coming stormy weather.
As a retired airline pilot of some 40 years plus I salute this crew. There is a saying that it's money for old rope until this sort of thing happens.
A fantastic example of problem solving and teamwork which saved the day.
"money for old rope". Like it.
What does that mean, exactly? “It’s money for old rope.” I’ve never heard this saying before, but for some reason, it intrigues me!
😁 Thanks!
✌️Best Regards from Tampa Bay Florida 🍊🍊🍊
@@bmell1252 It means money or reward earned for little or no effort.
"To make money from old rope comes from the practice of picking apart old ropes to create oakum (a fibrous material used with hot pitch for caulking seams in old-time sailing vessels). It was a chore performed by women and children in Victorian workhouses or by sailors when their ships were docked."
Hello fireflyrobert, you are so right:TEAMWORK is really important in the airline-business (and also skills) !!! During my 33-year experience as a flight-attendant I was always amazed, how well working-hand-in-hand was performed by the whole crew. Well, otherwise problematic situations could easily get out of control. I think companies who "operate on the ground" could profit a lot from the knowledge/performance of crews, to avoid problems in their company.
@@MoniqueAO888 agreed
Hi, I remember this incident well! At the time I was an Avionics Apprentice working for British Airways. I was one of the ground crew who worked on this aircraft once it returned to LHR. It required a lot of work to get it airworthy again. The plane still had a sulphurous smell to it when we were repairing it. All the pitot and static heads were replaced, every piece of piping from them was disconnected and blown clean and a whole lot more. I also remember cleaning and repacking the 400 odd passenger oxygen masks. It was in our hanger for many days, then went to the paint shop for a new coat of paint. The flight crew certainly earned thier money that night.
Peter Elder: Thank you! What a fascinating insight into the period after this incident. Glad to hear the aircraft survived (to 2004 bless it) and was so thoroughly refurbished to be returned to normal service.
I was also a BA apprentice at the time. In the video you state the aircraft was flown back to Heathrow to have the engines changed which would have been unsafe. New engines were flown out which I watched being loaded into a heavy lift aircraft and replaced on site. Also the version aircraft you use in the video was a Boeing 747-400 but it was a B747-200. Hope this helps
@@kdean2152 Listening helps. He said the aircraft was "shipped" back, not flown. He also said in the beginning that it was a 747-200.
The flight crew ALWAYS earns their money. On this night, they were underpaid.
Considering how notorious volcanic ash is for messing up electronics and being impossible to remove, I’m impressed you were able to get it cleaned out at all.
I am a pilot and have flown some of the types of aircraft you make your videos on. I have to say you have nailed the analyses, being firstly respectful of all those involved, then discussing the possible failures, including the agencies' findings briefly, showing such illuminating videos and enabling even the lay viewer to easily understand the narrative. You give your entirely valid opinions at the appropriate time. I wish to congratulate you on running a valuable and informative channel of good quality and integrity. Also, you might mention your own name somewhere.
Are you Indian pilot?
His name is Petter, that's no secret to any of his followers.
Petter Hörnfeldt
I want to say a heart-felt "Thank you" to Mentour Pilot team. As a lay person, I had never known that I would be completely addicted to this channel. What I love about Mentour Pilot is the way each episode is put together. All stories are told with 100% clarity so people with basic knowledge in physics can follow without difficulties. The facts are laid out in a well-structured, well-organised manner, and more importantly, without being hammed-up to create that melodrama that so many story-tellers end up offering. Most crucial of all, there is always a purpose and meaning to each of these programmes so even non-aviation professionals have something to take away.
This particular episode gets my eyes well-up. Such an incredible story!
This comment made me feel really smart, as I don't consider myself to have even a basic knowledge of physics. So, thanks!
Couldn't have put it better. This man is in stark contrast to the many lazy view-farming videos of similar subject. It's like comparing the way they told the news on the TV in the 60s to the way they do today.
What's the difference?
*Well one's actually news, and the other is a drama*
31:00 as the metal of the engine blades and the fused "silica" have a different CTC (coefficient of thermal contraction) , when the engines are stopped and get cooled, the bonded "glass" will separate from the metal; also a fast cooling of very hot glass will make it break into pieces (thermal shock).
That's good!!
Plus the front fan would be rotating from the fwd movement of the aircraft which should turn the other blades thus loosening the glass particles.
that's what I was thinking too. as cooling happens, the surface area of the glass that's in contact with the metal changes and it flakes off.
When we can make these discoveries and safety changes without lives being lost - it's a real win. Captain Moody & crew, bloody legends.
I also read where they had a 'reunion type' flight with Cptn. Moody and I don't know how many others from the original flight.
I had the honour, many years ago to be flown in a glider by Capt Moody. We were towed up on the first attempt by a winch line which broke at 1000 ft, much too low for a safe flight. Capt Moody banked right and circled in to a perfect landing, I was about 15 at the time and shaking like a leaf. I looked at him and said something like, "that was a quick reaction and a great landing, you must fly these a lot", he just smiled and said "Oh yes, but not as many hours as the 747"! We re-attached the winch and I had the best glider flight of my life.
Great story, and so much was learned from the incident, probably saving many lives.
thats awesome man. I love looking in the comments and seeing people that were actually involved in some way, great story!!!
You also orbited the moon during the Apollo 11 mission ....
@@hsw268 yeah everybody is lying. There is no true story on this earth. Go and get ur negativity fixed.
My friend has a sugar glider it's really cute
Hats off to the flight crew. I can't even begin to imagine four of four flame outs. What a miracle in using glide slope and restarting those engines. As well as a tribute to the design of the engines being able to sustain damage...shut down then, after sustaining damage restart and produce enough thrust to keep an aircraft that weighs about a million pounds airborne. Absolutely amazing. Great narration.
I’m always a nervous flyer, but find it comforting watching such skilled flight crews and amazing survival stories
I’m surprised you like to watch these kinds of videos.
Then i recommend you research "gimli glider", there is even a documentation here on youtube. The Gimli glider pilot from Canadian air didn't just have skills, he also must have had balls so big it seems like a miracle the plain got of the ground in the first place. Absolutely stunning.
Same! I am a bit of a nervous flyer sometimes but I love listening to these kind of stories
@@bmell1252 I'm the same way, but I'm fascinated by flight information like this. I like the videos which end with results like this one did, of course.
These videos get better and better! Having Captain Eric Moody's input is fantastic. His PA is probably the most British thing I've ever heard and I am British!
😂😂 it was pretty British, yes
There's an account published on the internet (possibly PPRUNE) of a legendary 1930s BA captain whose engineer accidentally shut off the fuel to all four engines whilst mid-Atlantic. It's reported that he simply turned around in his seat and said, "Strangely quiet, isn't it, Mr Smith?"
Peter, close friends of our parents were on that flight.
For the rest of their lives they were quietly thankful for the exemplary determination and steadfastness of Eric Moody and his cockpit crew. They said it was on reflection a humbling experience.
They did fly again and happily. They did say the takeoff from Indonesia was not without its internal tensions, but they still had to get home.
Thanks for an excellent video. So nice to hear and see skipper and his perspectives.
Philip. 🇳🇿
That’s fantastic to hear!!
My father in law was also on that flight. Amazing to hear his recollection of it and glad that I stumbled on this video about it.
Two of the passengers actually got married! One wrote of her experience on this flight. I think ALL of the passengers and crew are still members of the "Galunggung Glider Association" if I'm not mistaken. Altogether an interesting flight. I'd think they should make a movie out of it.
@@MrGangeticus The GGA! Haha, excellent - a truly exclusive club
I have to say coming from your Air France Flight 447 video to this one it's like night and day comparing the competency of the crew and how the situation was handled. The composure, teamwork and just sheer competency of this crew is a sight to behold. A great story and video.
Different circumstances and different jets. Ironically it would have been better for the Air France pilots to loose engine power for some time like happened here because their pitot tubes were always showing them slowing down and they started pitching up and as a result stalled.
If Air France engines would have stalled they would have woken up the captain and had much less of chaotic situation in the cabin while they would just be gliding in calm way.. Eventually the pitot tubes of course did unfreeze on the Air France jet but then they were already in massive stall.
If the engines had failed then a few minutes later all instruments would have been normal again and they would realize their altitude, pitch and speed
@@jonb3150 The inability of the Air France crew to understand the correct pitch & power settings for the aircraft they operated showed a fundamental lack of flying skill that is inexcusable.
@@Robinbamv Yes I would suggest you read my comment again. As I say it is different situation. If you are referring to the pilots not understanding the pitch and power settings because one of the pilot was pitching up while the other was not, then it is is not because they didn't "understand", it was more chaotic confusion. Because Airbus has the pitch sticks on the side of each pilot, they can't see with their own eyes what the other is doing. The pilot on the left thought he had the controls wile the pilot on the left seems to have thought he was not pitching up.
Like I say, it is much more chaotic situation.
I stand by what I said that temporary engine power loss would have been much better for the Air France flight since they would have just glided the plane and then got all instruments back when pitot tubes unfroze.
@@jonb3150yes they had a much simpler situation where a pilot created a crash out of nothing. It’s insane that trained pilots did not have 2 seconds in their brain to realize that the only reason a fully functioning airplane could be falling out of the sky would be due to stalling, and even I knew from some basic videos that you must pitch into the stall to recover from it. Imagine a pilot with thousands of hours of flight and sims.
There are certain people that if you meet them you’ll know they shouldn’t be trusted with anything remotely complex and consequential, and I suspect that guy who created the accident was one of them.
Flights like these at least make me hopeful that most pilots didn’t get there through incompetence.
@@jonb3150 The panic of the Air France FO happened before there were two people giving independent instructions to the plane. Even I knew before this incident a peto can become blocked. The FO failed completely to recognise a basic issue, reacted erratically and pancaked a plane full of passengers. He didn't aviate at any point, he pulled up, and up, into a stall.
I was a flight attendant for Continental Airlines and was flying to London when the volcano eruption was happening in Iceland in 2010. It was a crazy sight to see from a distance and of course we were a bit nervous once we got closer. Once we landed in London they shut the airport down. We were the last airplane they allowed to land because of the ash. We were like omg well ok lol. We were grounded for a few days because we couldn’t take off and the day we were given the thumbs up to leave we were told that they just cleared aircraft to takeoff for the day. So, we were going to be the first to leave lol. Once in the air the pilots found out they closed the airport right after we took off because it got bad again. It was crazy. We felt like the guinea pigs to check how the skies were for the rest of the flights lol
Thankfully we made it in and out of London safely. But it was a tad unsettling and a bit scary.
I spent those few days packed onto trains and ferries with about every other person in Europe, having made the unwise decision to go away for my Easter break and now needing to return home ... I dunno, having breakfast with strangers on the floor of Cologne Hauptbahnhof and trekking confusedly around Belgium trying to get to a ferry terminal was fun and all, but your story sounds both more comfortable and more exciting at the same time 😅
The Iceland volcano eruption started while I was flying from Australia to Malaysia, when we arrived in Malaysia we learned most flights had been cancelled. I was fortunate to be flying to Japan, so was on one of the few flights that was able to depart that night.
I missed my aunt and uncle’s wedding because of this volcano 😢
@@narnigrin wow, your story is an adventure in itself! It can definitely be a scary yet exciting? situation to be in lol Thanks for sharing!
@@thecolorjune lucky you!
Mentour documentaries are the best. The quality is amazing, and having a real Pilot presenting adds a level of authenticity TV shows just don't have. Keep doing what your doing Sir Mentour.
I will sure try!
LP
Absolutely agree.
Die sprichwörtliche deutsche Wertarbeit!
Agreed, the break down of events and delivery of facts are industry best. This guy should have a TV or Cable series for sure. 📺📽🎞🎥
Confession, British Airways is my airline of choice.
BA57 taking off from Johannesburg (283 souls) was only saved because the co pilot flew aerobatics. He put the near-stalled plane that was only 56 feet up into a dive and levelled out just above the ground. Absolute hero. Also the BA pilot who fought off an intruder on a flight to Nairobi whilst the plane went into a steep dive. "In the struggle the auto-pilot became disengaged and the jumbo was knocked off course, diving violently and plunging thousands of feet." Then he said "This is the Captain speaking. A very nasty man has just tried to kill us all" . British understatement!
I think a little more detail is required here - your story raises many questions. Also at least one correction, because there's no way to put a stalled airliner into a "dive" at 56 ft. - that's only a little over the height of the aircraft itself, certainly not enough altitude to dive and then level out and then land. It would take more than 56 ft of falling just to get level again. And having done so, the runway would be miles behind by that stage. And how did it get into a stall on takeoff in the first place?
Very confusing story and I can't find any references to the incident in any media on line. When did this allegedly take place?
Edit: Found a reference to a Daily Mail [barf, barf] article in 2010 which appears to have been taken down so no details available. Grateful if you can post somewhere with clarifications - tks
@@christopherbedford9897 pulled up out of a dive just above the rooftops over Jet Park. A BA pilot went through it with me, not just reported in The Bible!
@@christopherbedford9897 this pilot was a friend of mine. Stall warning, stick shake just after take off. Because the slats had retracted. He flew barely above the ground for several minutes nursing the aircraft up off the drag curve so they could accelerate gradually and eventually climb away. A knife edge piece of flying. Boeing test pilots tried it in the simulator and weren’t able to keep it airborne. Great job Jimmy B.
@@peteconrad2077 Well, that definitely didn't happen.
@@ANITIX87 it’s a matter of public record and was the subject of an investigation by the AAIB. Since there are two people here talking about the incident I’d suggest checking your facts before making a fool of yourself.
I’m 75 and have loved Aviation since the age of 13. Understanding how a 747 could stay in the air amazed me. This video was just outstanding and so informative. Captain Moody and his crew put their combined knowledge to work out how to save their plane and those souls on board. I for one was sorry to see the 747 disappear from passenger service. In 2010 we flew to Sharm el Sheikh for a two week holiday. With other guests we had to have a further week at the hotel as all UK flights had been suspended due to the Volcano on Iceland.
I have subscribed to your amazing channel and will enjoy watching more video. I live about 50 minutes from Manchester MAN/EGCC so love to go there in the summer, plus watch the Live Streams. My sincere Thanks to you 👍👏🇬🇧
Initially thought 40 mins were a lot of time. Have to admit when the story is good, time flies! Great video, great animations, and the level of detail on the comments, both from you and the captain were just great. Keep up the good work
Thank you!
The animations are from a 747-400. The aircraft involved was a 747-236 which had round analogue flight instruments. Also, the stairs to the upper deck was spiral. The animation is a straight stairs from the -400.
The story is told accurately however.
Your so very right. I’d not even noticed that forty minutes had gone by since this tale began on screen. I was galvanized to the show. Whew 😅
Too bad the computer illustration isn't a 747-200 as the "expert" claims the actual jet was. The 200 only has 10 windows on the upper deck and the hump is half as short. The aircraft shown in the video is a 400 or later with different avionics, engines and systems (not to mention not requiring a flight engineer.) Google an image of a 200 and you'll see I'm right.
@@rouser301 Ok genius 🙄
I remember this incident well and I have always had the highest admiration and respect for British Airways pilots for their unflappability in impossible situations. A great airline that I first traveled in as a 20 year old from Kuala Lumpur to London on the BOAC Argonaut in 1954, and much later on the Concorde . A classy airline.
Damn you beat me. My first flight was BOAC London to Shannon in a Britannia.
Great video. I worked for BA for 40 years and the 'big incidents' are imprinted in my memory, including this one. Capt Moody and his crew were rightly acclaimed as heroes.
How the miracle on the Hudson was made into a movie but this wasn't boggles the mind. A tonne more material to work with aswell I dare say. What a story!
Cuz the guy who played the pilot was a Hollywood pee doh file
Yeah, I remember watching this a while ago, and thinking, “Sully has NOTHING on Moody!”
@@jennifertwede7142 Yeah, like imagine 3 minutes of drama vs hours of tension and pressure over the open ocean then trying to navigate a mountain, then suddenly engines turning back on. Hard to believe this isn't already a figment of some hollywood writers imagination.
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 I don’t need three hours of tension for it to be a miraculous landing! And he didn’t have to ditch it. Honestly, if anyone but a glider pilot had been flying, they would’ve crashed.
@@jennifertwede7142 if they could make a movie out of Sully they could have made an a couple of seasons netflix drama out of this one. haha
53 dislikes- how could anyone dislike this if you are even a bit interested in aviation. This one of the best aviation documentaries I have ever seen. As an ex glider pilot, I can see how captain Moody's glider experience may have saved the day here. Just like riding a motorcycle makes you a better driver, glider experience makes you a far better power pilot. In a glider you only get one chance to land on each flight- no go arounds!
Glad to hear that you liked it!
When you rewind ⏪ on some devices you can hit accidentally dislike button - no drama. I like the video
One is from the retired BOAC captain in first class thinking it wasn't that big a deal 😆
I personally dislike every video that has the sponsor sh*. I hate the youtube’s own commercials just enough. It boils my blood having to watch that as well.
@@tomaszfaszcza852 hi! I find that fascinating.
Why would you be so enraged by creators being paid for their work? Would you prefer paying money out of your own pocket for the content or do you think people should simply be working for free?
My RUclips channel currently employs 3 full time people including myself. I would never be able to find/research/film/edit and create graphics for a release every week if it wasn’t for my sponsors, Patreons and Adsense.
That might be worth considering.
Have a great evening.
Captain Moody and his cockpit crew were really fine examples of BA's high quality training and calmness in a high drama situation. Many congratulations to them.
If ever you needed a reason to fly British Airways this is it. :-)
This story is utterly amazing. And told with a wonderful narrative gift. The expertise is obvious, partly because it’s so modestly but completely in control of the way the story is told. I’m sure there are lots of pilots as experienced and knowledgable as Mentour Pilot, but there can’t be many - aren’t any I’ve seen, anyway - who can tell the story without sacrificing technical detail and make it riveting for someone like me who can barely understand how a plane can even fly. Thanks for a brilliant presentation of an extraordinary story.
peter is amazing, his effortless modest charm and techincal knowledge make his videos fascinating
You also just said everything I was trying to but couldn't.........bravo my friend
I attended a presentation about this incident, given by Eric Moody. You could have heard a pin drop. It was the most spell-binding hour I have ever spent listening to such a wonderful man. Btw, he said the windscreen was shipped to California where it was reground and shipped back for the flight back to LHR. This video also omitted the information that they issued a mayday to Jakarta, turned the plane but saw no sign of the airstrip. Eric Moody asked the Co-Pilot to get on the radio and ask if they had switched on the runway lights, which they hadn't. Eric Moody told us that the flight after this he had what was thought to be an attempted hi-jack, the one after that he had a passenger death.
Well put, and I agree 100%.
There's something truly extraordinary about the ability of some people to combine the learning of their rigorous training, reinforced with continuous practice, with off-the-scale spontaneous creative problem-solving and insight, all at a time of unimaginable stress. It's good to be reminded of the heroism of guys like this, and Capt. Sullenberger, especially when the world can look like a pretty dark place.
@T S, I could not have said it better. Bravo to the flight crew & cabin crew for their brilliant professionalism. That was incredible. And 👏🏻 for Peter’s excellent riveting story telling & his expertise explanations.
RIP Captain Eric Moody…thank you for your outstanding service and pilot skills
I worked for R-R at the time of this incident, and had the great pleasure of hearing Captain Moody talk about it in a meeting at Farnborough. He was the epitome of a laid-back unflappable pilot, with a great sense of humour. I recall his pride in being the only captain to have five engines fail on a four engined aircraft!
five engine fails
U forget about cpt Piché of Air Transat?
5 engines fail also correct
@@eland65 No, the "s" is required by grammar. This is because there are only four engines that can fail. If on fails two times there are still only four engines.
@@thomasfink2385 yes, his last paragraph has context
Yours, "if on fails...", hasn't
Props to Captain Moody for one of the most legendary and professional passenger briefings ever
Good account of what could have been an appalling disaster. These guys were absolute heroes. Staying calm, trying to find out what the problem was and doing their very best to land the plane safely. You could never train for every eventuality so a lot of discussion with the cabin crew, intelligent guesswork and gentle experimentation must have gone on as they did not understand the cause at the time. Real focused teamwork in quite a short time. Trying again and again to get the engines going and finally succeeding must have been incredible! Nice to see Captain Moody describe the events, too. He of the massive British understatement! That really made it for me.
Absolutely! He is a gentleman
@@MentourPilot A knighthood surely.
Well they are British, stiff upper lips and all that...
@@andrewnorris5415 You are right. But he didn't, right? How can you do your job better than this and not get a knighthood? Ridiculous.
99.9% of pilots are not suicidal and 99.9% of the remainder would never consider taking their passengers with them. The average person is likely to panic in a life threatening situation but this well trained and experienced flight crew calmly took a few seconds to asses their position. At 37,000 feet they could glide for perhaps sixty nautical miles!
No passenger on this flight could have been unaware that all four engines had stopped. No point in Captain Moody lying to the passengers. His understatement of the problem and reassurance to the passengers that they hoped to restart the engines was perfect.
"Stay calm and carry on!" has often saved the day.
why are the best pilot stories always from british airways.
amazing
I agree. The flight where the captain was sucked out of the windshield was amazing. I have flown BA a number of times. My sister asked which airline to take from Tampa to the UK and I said BA without a doubt. She and her husband had a connecting flight to Croatia for a vacation with friends who live on a yacht there. They loved BA.
@@Maya-bu2rf Yeah you're not 100% sure whether the flight will go to plan or not, but you have complete confidence in the ability of the staff to get you through it. And I think that is the highest praise one can give to an airline or anything professional organisation in any field.
This is my FAVOURITE aviation incident !! It's such an interesting story, and we learnt so much from this flight. I was waiting for the day you would make an episode on flight 009 because I love how much your perspective adds to the story.
Glad you think so!
Mine too, I also recently found out that I flew on this aircraft (G-BDXH) to Los Angeles years later 🤔😊
This actually was the incident that got me interested in aviation..! Back in 2011, there was the Icelandic volcano eription and many flights were canceled. That is when I heard of this event, and I am hooked on air crash investigation now...
@@NarnianLady cool, I never knew volcano ash could do that much damage to the engines and never really understod why they cancelled the flights before this video 👍🏼
Bravo Capt Moody, and bravo to the incredible safety systems and build quality of the 747.
Truly incredible to both.
I'm guessing that the cabin crew also did a great job in keeping the passengers calm, and standing ready in case an evac was needed.
The production values on this video are stellar quality!! Animations are beautifully designed and executed. Script is excellent, very clear and comprehensive, and so well delivered. Thanks for this wonderful video and your others as well!
I wonder if Mentour Pilot does a video of JAL 747 cargo flt 1628 over Alaska. Instead of volcanic ash it was you know what. Anchorage ATC showed nothing on their radar but NORAD ROCC did and had the 747 do a 360° turn to try to shake the "folks" tailing them 😆
@@austindarrenor
I don't think the NORAD computers had a glitch, either that or an illegal drone. I doubt if ball lightning is visible on radar.
@@drmayeda1930 According to the pilot of the JAL 747 cargo jet whatever NORAD picked up was twice the size of an aircraft carrier. And this managed to elude Anchorage radar. I wish that NATO would get ahold of ET technology then Putin and Xi Jinping would be licking their boots.
The action of the ash/silicates on the engines are so clearly described (you're a master). Your description of this incident is so compelling.
Thank you!
@@MentourPilot Why was this not a known problem before 1982? Bigger fans concentrating more particles? Hotter engines? More refined and thus less robust engines? Flying higher altitudes? Or simple chance? More flights so more likely hood of flying through an ash cloud. I assume that volcanic activity hasn't increased. Flight routes probably not a big factor.
I was surprised that they were able to quickly fly it home. I assume any engine overhaul would be more than three days, and unlikely to change all four. Despite the long list of potential damage perhaps the cooled glass all broke off the engine and little critical damage.
@@brianwest2775 Actually volcanic activity was at a historic low in the mid 20th Century… Changing flight routes had an impact too.
@@brianwest2775 Qantas had serious engineering support available out of Sydney and Singapore Airlines have similar support available out of Singapore. Either can replace a full set of engines on a 747 overnight from spares in stock. Getting the mechanics to the plane and the ash out of the air system would be the time consuming part.
KLM 864 had exactly the same thing happen in 1989 over Alaska.
I heard this story first-hand from Capt. Moody at Boscombe Down some years ago. I also remember seeing the aircraft, at Bournemouth I think, after its retirement. I remember Eric Moody saying one of the ground engineers said to him that he wished they hadn't re-started the engines, so they could have been examined more closely! Capt. Moody, being the gentleman he is, did not relate his reply! He also keeps in touch with the crew and passengers on that flight through a group he founded called the Galunggung Gliding Club.
I love your comment. And that all these years later, they’re close!!
I mean... I know what the engineer wanted to know though. He wanted to see what it looked like having an engine full of volcanic ash. :D For... research purposes of course. I suppose it would make it somewhat easier to figure out why the engines seized up.
Fantastic! Had the honor of Captain Moody flying a BA flight I was on many yrs ago from Heathrow. Still chuckling at "negotiating my way up a badgers arse" quote. Amazing team work.
That was a story that deserved to be told. What a fantastic crew.
I just discovered this channel today. My dad was obsessed with airplanes. I grew up hearing my dad read stories of airplane crashes. So many of these I heard as a child...interesting hearing more about them. I read the book "All Four Engines Have Failed" as a preteen or teen. And "The Ghost of Flight 401". And many books of various crash stories.
I really wish I could share this video with my dad...he'd have loved it. Especially the interview clips. Sadly, my dad passed away 5.5 years ago.
So sorry about his passing, Beckie. You’re keeping his memory alive and celebrating his life by continuing to enjoy his passions.
flight 401 is my favorite, just goes to show how little of a imperfection it requires for these disasters to happen, my condolences🙌
These Pilots are the type of Men I teach my teenage Son to lookup to. Stone cold nerves and clear thinking under pressure
You could just teach him to act like a professional golfer.
@@Phineas1626 what?
@@dana102083 I think it’s fairly straightforward what I meant, or do you really want me to elaborate?
@@user-otzlixr Not professionals.
Honestly, I’m not sure if it’s possible to teach someone to remain calm under pressure. From observation of people, it seems that our reaction to stress is ingrained and can’t really be changed. That being said, I hope I’m wrong because the world would certainly benefit from having more stress-resilient people.
What a treat to see that you interviewed Captain Moody for this. Thanks for the great Content!
We covered this in my days in a university flight program but never to this degree. Truly a remarkable piece of aviation history. You, sir, are a pleasure to listen to. Fantastic description whether the audience are laymen or seasoned aviators. Top job.
Mentour Pilot: another gripping story which kept me on the edge of my seat. The interview snippets with Capt.Moody were wonderful to see, that he is still alive and I hope able to enjoy his life. This event was a win-win for the airline industry and passengers: an important learning opportunity due to a serious incident with absolutely no loss of life or injury.
I was told by the guy who did my flight training that aviation is a matter of learned skill, some talent, and an excruciating attention to detail. He also told me takeoffs are optional, landings are not.
Hello from Australia my first flight instructor many years ogo said the same
Mine told me that you can never get lost in an airplane because eventually you'll find the ground
@@bruce6614 Nice one
@@gruntopolouski5919 That is exactly what Lost Angel said...read it again.
@@bruce6614 Nonsense. You are lost if you do not know which piece of ground you are about to crash into or land on.
After seeing those blue sparks apear, I was pretty sure they were going to land back in 1955.
Haha, the visuals got me thinking about that classic scene too...
Why stop at 1955? What be your choice of year they should to go back to and why?
@@lizlovsdagmara5525 This is a reference to the movie _Back To The Future_
@@jaymzx0 One of the sequels had the DeLorean going back much further in time ...
@@lizlovsdagmara5525 True - 1855. Sorry, I missed the joke.
Captain Eric Moody passed away earlier today at the age of 84
RIP Stoic son of the WWII era
I wonder if any of the passengers of this flight attended. I know if I was one of them I would have, no exceptions.
I had no idea. The crew especially Captain Eric were so humble. They were aviation superstars
I’ve watched so much about this flight, and it’s amazing. I’ve watched it so many times on ‘Air Crash Investigation’!
The crew were amazing. Had it not of been this crew, it very possibly ended the way it did.
Dear Sir,
Your explanation is highly admirable.
Are you an Aeronautics Engineer.
Please keep it up.
May God Bless you.
Thanks.
Capt. George Samarawickrama
(A Fmr. Sri Lankan Army Capt.)
Vienna - Austria.
Peace & light be with you, Captain Moody. May you continue to glide above heaven's clouds, your sprit free & at peace at last. 💜💜❤️🕊✈️🕯💫
Brilliant. Well scripted, well presented, and getting hold of/interviewing the planes captain was an amazing touch. If there was an Oscars style award for RUclips content creators, this video would at bare minimum be on the nominations list.
☺️☺️ Thank you so much!
This is definitely one of the most thrilling aviation stories that I’ve ever heard and for sure one of the best videos you’ve made. Thank you, Petter!
Thank you! We aim to please
British Airways 009 was one of the first aviation incidents that really made a mark on me. The whole concept of that fateful flight, from the mystery of the situation, to the crew pulling through against all odds, and the unique aftermath of the situation simply makes this one of the most impactful aviation incidents for me.
I actually live in close vicinity to Taal Volcano in the Philippines, which has since started erupting again. Whenever PHIVOLCS, our volcanology authority releases a notice for aircraft to avoid the airspace around the volcano, I think about that Speedbird 747 who lost all four engines in the midst of a brilliant show of light.
Another 747 victory over a potentially catastrophic event.
Another airline might have crashed but British airways never crash, even if the pilot is sucked out the window normal service continues and everyone touches down safely.
I retired from Texas to Cavite in 2018 and live about 30km North of Taal. I am also retired ARFF firefighter (Aircraft Rescue Firefighting). I love these videos that get into the avionic details!
Salut neighbor!
Incredible story. They have faced what would have seem impossible. If there was cockpit WTF per minute indicator it would have broken its needle. Yet, they properly identified cause and managed to find a proper way to escape the danger. Outstanding
Honestly, there a so many gauges in a cockpit already, but a WTFs per minute indicator would be an hilarious addition! 😅
a wtf value like its omori or something?
They’re British, all in a days work, and I bet they had the tea all organised before they landed as well. All very British 😅
You know it’s a bad situation when you’re in an airliner and the pilots “glider experience” comes into play.
Yeah 😂
@@MentourPilot On the bright side, they’re given an opportunity to become a legend.
Silver linings where you find them.
As it did for the ‘Gimli Glider’ 767 (Air Canada 143) that ran out of fuel, and Air Transat 236 that also ran out of fuel.
Most especially for Captain Sully landing on the Hudson River. He gave much credit to his sailplane experience.
Oddly enough, glider pilots make for some of the best pilots in general. So, a normally bad situation isn't as bad as it could be if the pilot has glider experience. So, as bad as it is, it is actually one of the better scenarios.
Your graphics are so incredible! When you’re showing the story of the technical aspects along with the mechanical, it’s par none! The way you tell the story and integrate the actual pilot testimony is perfect. Your ability to get the right technical people along with your knowledge, your videos have become riveting!
Apart from it being a Boeing 747-400 which didn't join the BA fleet for another seven years and it should say 'British' on the side, not 'British Airways'. But hey, Mayday/Air Crash Investigation, the Discovery Channel show did theirs in the Landor livery which wasn't introduced until December 1984.
An excellent review apart from the the inaccurate use of a B747-400 model airplane when the actual aircraft involved was a B747-200 classic which fortunately still had the onboard technical expertise of a professional Flight Engineer
WRONG - Too bad the computer illustration isn't a 747-200 as the "expert" claims the actual jet was. The 200 only has 10 windows on the upper deck and the hump is half as short. The aircraft shown in the video is a 400 or later with different avionics, engines and systems (not to mention not requiring a flight engineer.) Google an image of a 200 and you'll see I'm right.
@@leonardgmills5740 In the description of the video he does say it’s a 747-200.
@@rouser301 Does he say in the video that he’s an expert (other than being a pilot/captain himself)? In the description of the video he does say it’s a 747-200, check it out.
really cool getting a first-hand account. I mean final reports are good but first-hand account is so much more
Somehow I wasn't aware of this story - my god, it is incredible on so many levels. Captain Moody is a remarkable human being and guardian angel of everyone on that flight and those who lived in close proximity to the Jakarta Airport. I welled up at the part of the story about the landing! And finally, my jaw literally (not figuratively) dropped that the aircraft was in commission for another 22 years (and I mean that positively)! Mr Mentour Pilot - what a brilliant presentation of this story, an extremely talented communicator. So glad RUclips algorithm put this in my feed 🤩
I’ve got a better one.
Northwest 747. Honolulu to Tokyo. Complete hydraulic failure at 45,000 feet. Safely landed in Tokyo was a miracle beyond expectation
@@jimwest3017 I will look that one up - thank you. Good pilots are angels for us all, even on normal flights 😇
@@janephilpott6565 - Just don't try going on Helio's! I was lucky never to fly on one... being as superior Officers (RAAF) got my crew of 4's seats for joyrides! They all pranged! Even ones later on when stationed in TVL and having to redo my "drop-in" aircraft firefighting training with my crew, yes, those officers pushing us aside... I wonder if they may have considered that as "KARMA" or not?!
God... angles... what ever. I'll take training, engineering, and reality any day of the week.
We met Captain Moody years ago, and none of us knew about his part in this fight! He's very discreet about it!
Always good to hear Capt Moody. I flew on this aeroplane 6-months later, just after it had re-entered service following a thorough inspection. The cockpit and cabin were clean and evident that several instruments had been replaced. A few years later I also flew with the co-pilot from this flight; I don't recall his name, but he was a tall fellow and I spent some time on the flight deck talking with him. The aeroplane was a 747-236, G-BDXH, which was sold to EAL in 2002 based at Hurn, and broken up in 2009.
WoW! The big one! Watching! ✈🤟
Enjoy Denys!
What's up my friend. It's always nice to see you on Mentour's video's. I love your content also.
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Howdy There.. Like your videos last year about The Sully Challenge to different airports. That 100 agl turn to align at Teterboro was fighter pilot precise..
The fires aside, that plane had to have gotten very quiet very fast when all four engines went down.
Imagine the horrifying noise….of not hearing noise. Omg, I’d wet me self. 😮
@@pommiebears Hmmm... I would not have mentioned the wetting! LOL! PMSL!
@@pommiebears "FINALLY, the noise has stopped. I'll have some splendid rest now. Sleep tight, ladies and gentlemen." 😂
I'm not sure that all four went silent. #4 was definitely down because they actually went through the procedure to shut it down by turning off the fuel supply and pulling its fire handle. I don't think they did that with the other 3 engines, hence the discussion about whether they should try to restart #4. The other three were barely running, but between the three of them-or maybe only one of them-there was enough electrical power being produced to keep the avionics and lighting going. Some airlines took the 747 with no APU as the probability of all four engines shutting down in flight was considered remote.
Most jet engines can't be restarted above about 25,000 ft and as the engine wears out that altitude gets lower and lower. Because the engines were so worn out by the sandblasting ash they needed the denser air below 15,000 ft to relight. The increased windmilling effect of the denser air may have helped the restart too.
@@petep.2092 They shut down #4 at first, but they tried to restart it eventually. It was the first engine to start working again once they dropped down to a lower altitude
The production quality of this series is insane! Love it.
I started the week with no earthly idea about Mentour........and I'm ending it as a full, blown, addict !
Many thanks for all your insight and efforts 👍
Welcome to the crew Adam!
@@MentourPilot Many thanks, I will never wash this part of my screen again 😎 All kidding aside, I've never found it easier to discover the answers to aviation topics or to be entertained and informed in equal parts.
If you ever branch out into life-coaching, I'll be the first in line - you've a way of engaging your audience that I find extremely effective. 👍
Yes I remember when I was on a B777 flight from Vancouver Canada to Manila Philippines. We also encountered this phenomenon, where it was glowing outside the airplane. The pilot did exactly what the SOP says - to turn around 180 and fly a little lower. We never lost engine power. So we headed to Hawaii to re fuel and finish the last leg of the trip to Manila.
because of volcano tho?
I don't know the first thing about flying any plane, but this crew are true heroes. Captain Moody is the best example of how important it is to keep your cool in an emergency situation. Also the presentation of this story is first class!
Ah, the famous British understatement, going along with the moto 'don't make a drama out of a crisis'. Being British this brief sounded very normal to me culturally. We tend to play down everything even up to the point of the possibility of one's imminent demise! This is to keep a sense that you are in control not only to others, but to yourself as well, and helps to focus the mind on the problem at hand right up to the last second. I did love the 'we have a little problem...' when explaining all four engines had failed. That is master understatment!
"We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped" This captain calm as a clam=)
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
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could be worse... coffee maker broken
They brithis so its spose to this it culd worse tea pod get broken XD
Yea you are right just handeling with out of cafein but at least his blader probbly became more relax at least
@@bobl78 Don't Panic
Okay, Panic
@@cosmicrider5898 what evidence do you have that everyone thought the earth was flat 500 years ago?
Holy crap! When you mentioned that G-BDXH went to EAF to see her days out, I just realised that I worked with this very aircraft between 2002 - 2004. As far as I was concerned, EAF's biggest claim to fame was that they were owned by Paul Stoddart, the guy who ran the Minardi Formula 1 team. I was familiar with the story of Capt. Moody and BA009 at the time, but had no idea that I was working with his old bird until just now.
This story is beyond belief! What a tremendous job the flight crew did and kudos to you Petter for going through the steps to get that interview with the captain! As always, you are one master storyteller. I'm am working on getting all my friends and associates hooked on your channel :-). This is one video I am going to share with them to get them hooked.
The Air Crash Investigation episode for this one is fantastic. There's also a great book called "All Four Engines Have Failed" by Betty Tootell, who was a passenger on this flight.
I used to show this Air Crash investigation to my student ATPLs, as an example of extremely good crew cooperation. I had an email exchange with Eric Moody about 3 years ago. Sadly Betty had passed away a year or so earlier. Her husband, who she met on the flight, predeceased her by about a year.
The best video I have seen from this channel until now.
BA has always had brilliant pilots. They’re safety record confirms that. 🇬🇧🇬🇧
From reading about this many years ago, I remember that one of the stewardesses said to some of the passengers ‘if we don’t get the engines started we’ll be up here all night…’
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I'd say they were really effective at communicating the signs and dangers of ash clouds, because "volcanic ash" was the first thing that popped into my head watching this video, without even being familiar with the name/location of this incident.
This is actually one of the strangely comforting thoughts I have about flying: even if the flight gets in a horrific incident, there's a very good chance that authorities will be able to learn from it and make everyone safer in the future.
I lived in Jakarta at the time as a young child, but I remember my parents still talk about this flight. They tell me that the plane itself was off a runway (?) to the side, with most livery blasted off due to ash. Maybe they got it wrong, but I do not imagine my parents making up stories. In my kid brain, this is where I started to be afraid of flying. Either way, Captain Moody and his crew are heroes. Good on you.
I tried and failed to find an actual photograph of the aircraft after landing, but when it was being prepared to make it airworthy again it did need new paint. Volcanic ash is very abrasive and it had so badly etched the windows that the air crew were forced to deplane directly on the runway as they couldn't see out the windows well enough to taxi to the terminal. A lot of people did mention that the paint looked almost sandblasted off; maybe some exaggerated to what extent this happened but it does seem at plausible that it happened to some degree. (When sandblasting is done intentionally this is almost exactly what the volcanic ash would have done.) It wasn't "off the runway" though it wasn't perfectly centered to be sure, and the pilots were about to attempt to taxi to the terminal but had to abandon that plan due to near zero visibility due to the badly etched windows.
People react in different ways but if anything this story would make me less afraid of flying if anything knowing how professional and resourceful the air crew was. This could have turned out a lot worse. All passengers and crew survived and with much work the aircraft was eventually returned to service and was in airworthy condition for another 22 years. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
By "off the runway" they probably meant that as layman's terms for being on the high speed taxiway rather than the more technical understanding of leaving the runway in an unplanned manner, such as an overrun or veer to one side.
Likely just one or both parties not fully understanding the technical jargon, or the process of landing a plane. Could have also been caused by the news station giving the story!
If you look at the image of the plane at 36:05 you can see part of the last three letters in Airways has been blasted off.
@@vidpie I can assure you that image is just a very poor photoshop job. There were reasonable photos in Betty Tootall's book, including some from the engines during inspection.
I’ve flown thru St. Elmo’s fire in the Pacific. GORGEOUS! We’d touch the wind screen and trace the paths while getting a tingle near metal dividers in the wind screen. Also got to see rings of it circling and streaming off the propellers. That was on the USN P-3 back in the day.
I recall seeing Apollo 13 many years ago and KNEW rationally they survived but emotionally I was rivetted to find out if they would get out of that mess. You did a fantastic job of telling the story with the same intensity and honesty. When Captain Moody was speaking it is clear they survived but then I simply had to know how. Great work.
Please don't let Ron Wayward get hold of this story.
I've watched so many of these videos in this channels and it becomes very clear how a pilot responds in emergencies makes all the difference and very rarely is it the aircraft alone that is the issue. A calmer well trained pilot makes less mistake and a lesser pilot turns into a rouge causing the loss of lives.
The constant improvement and quality of your videos makes me feel bad for not supporting you outside RUclips. Incredible, Petter.
I'm sure I'm reading into this post, but one could interpret it that the OP at some point in time, endeavored to sabotage Peter's career as a pilot! 😐
So, what gives, gentlemen?
@@JCDofNYC what on earth are you waffling on about?
@@JCDofNYC Yes, I’m sure you are reading into it. I don’t see any reason to think he sabotaged anything. Surely he just meant that Mentour Pilot is a great channel and while he would like to support the channel via Patreon or whatever, he is not able to do so (perhaps finances are tight). Cuz I feel the same way. Such a great channel, I wish I had the extra funds to help more.
@Anna Beth Wivell He's a professional pilot with a monetized and successful channel, merch etc. Pretty sure he's not struggling financially. Why not simply chill and enjoy, and give your money to an animal rescue or something that alleviate someone's suffering. Peter seems like a good bloke, he'd undoubtedly understand.
Holy moly I couldn't even imagine how horrifying that was for the crew, let alone the passengers. That Capt Moody is the epidamy of class! Thanks for sharing this! I remember watching the evening news and Walter Cronkite broke this story.
Captain Moody & crew should be awarded medals . . . plus, a raise ! 😎🇺🇸
epitome
The utterly incredible presence of mind of Captain Moody is beyond compliment!
I would suggest that this incident is a exemplar of superb CRM. The actions of the crew represent the very best of aviation skills.
It is also a tribute to the amazing engineering of Rolls-Royce.
Eric Moody's PA to the passengers is arguably the greatest example of British understatement in history.
Aviate-navigate-communicate. This flight did it in spades!
Amazing, absolute professionalism from pilots and crew, to fly into an unknown situation and deal with it in such a manner as to survive...just brilliant.
A very good presentation of a horrific incident. I know Eric and have always had the utmost admiration for his handling of this event. A more laid back and amusing character you could not hope to meet.
This incident when watching air crash investigation is one that stands out to me. These pilots are who I would want to pilot my plane if I had a choice. They were under some of the most difficult and stressful situation you can be in as a pilot and they made it all happen. Which is phenomenal as a pilot
As geology student and aviation enthusiast this is such an amazing story
These are getting better and better, I especially liked that you had commentary from Captain Moody.
Such a brilliant example of fantastic airmanship!
Most impressive is that Cpt. Moody did all this while still having the need to take a piss.
😂 True
Don't they reckon you think better when you need to drain the python? Needing a piss might have helped in the situation with him making better decisions..
If I was in Capt. Moody's shoes, I would have pissed in my pants!
I watch a lot of videos on this channel and this is one of his best! AMAZING storytelling, deep descriptions of the challenges on this flight and animation/graphics.
Well done!
yeah and it keeps getting better. i feel like i'm watching a movie! this channel will reach millions of subs in no time
This was as fine a documentary as any high dollar production company would’ve done, and even made better by Mentour’s personal insight.
@@larryscott3982 Couldn't agree more!