Blackmagic Design Web Presenter HD - Full Walk-Through and Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2021
- I've had the Web Presenter HD for a while now. Here's a full walk-through of the device and my thoughts after using it for several events.
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Great video. Thanks. Question, when multiple channels of audio are present, can you select wich channel is the one used for the stream? or will they allways be channel 1 and 2?
It's always channels 1 and 2
Switching to ppm seemed to be closer to my levels in my hyperdeck mini. At least at a glance. Scared me with the crazy hot signal it was saying it was getting.
Did I miss a comparison between first generation and had model. I mean besides 720/ 1080, and always great
job Doug your channel is like a personal tool in the toolbox ✌️
They're really very different products. The original can't stream on its own and needs a computer, and is limited to 720p. The second is designed primarily to stream without a computer and can do 1080p.
Hola Doug! Do you know if it is possible to use the wirecast to produce a show (credits, videos, banners) and do the encoding to facebook or youtube only through the web presenter hd, how would the connection of the wirecast output to the web presenter hd be so that it receives it from SDI? Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia
I believe so. I haven't done it myself, but it does seem that Wirecast can output to a DeckLink or UltraStudio device and the output of that can be sent to the Web Presenter.
Hello Doug, I want to do an initial configuration with windows device and use Vimeo with specific streaming key. When I shut down the device, disconnect power supply and use it again several days or weeks later, is the initial Vimeo setup (URL and Key) i did at first use still saved on the device or do I need to configure it again with the Windows device? I want to use the same Vimeo URL and streaming Key again and again for recurring streaming events. If yes, do I only need to push ON AIR button after starting the device? many thanks!
I'm using it as a capture device and the same time sdi loop out to my switch. However is it possible to obtain a clean feed in HDMI, without any of informations playing along?
Great video. Thanks.
Question: can you simultaneously stream to multiple destinations like FB and a custom destination?
Not directly from a single Web Presenter. There are plenty of services out there that will receive an RTMP stream and distribute it to multiple destinations, though, and the Web Presenter will work with those if you create a custom XML file for those services. Here on my channel I have a video on how to setup your own RTMP server that you could use to do this yourself.
Hi Doug, can this encoder monitor the bandwith of the internet connection and reduce the bitrate automaticly if the bandwith gets to low?
Due this feature i was using OBS in some of my last projects, but i don't feel save with software based encoding....
No, it does not.
@DJP is it a good idea to connect this device to AVMATRIX VS0601U
Mini 6CH SDI/HDMI Multi-format Stream Switcher ?
Thanks for you video
That combination should work well.
Great video thx. Just incase I'm missing something, the XLR port is power only? You can't send audio through XLR as you could on the original 720 Web Presenter? So it's audio through SDI only? Thx
Correct. It is a 4-pin power connector. There are no audio inputs. Audio has to come in via SDI.
@@djp_video Tx!
Is there any difference in the streaming of this versus the ATEM Pros?
I'm assuming it's the same tech.
I understand that this has a lot more information about the stream and such on the monitor out.
Basically, I have an SDI Extreme and just wondering if this would be a useful upgrade or not.
Thanks...
JJ
They use the same code. You wouldn't really gain much of an advantage moving from your ATEM to a Web Presenter.
Doug, do you know if the program audio is embedded in the monitor out? I was hoping to plug headphones into the tv that’s receiving the HDMI monitor out signal from this thing. Thanks.
Yes, audio is embedded.
Doug,
Have you had an opportunity to use the Web Presenter 4K model yet?
If so, I have two questions.
If I am streaming an event on a company website that provides me with the url and stream key, would I still need to generate an XML file for the Web Presenter? ( I have also sent this question to John at HTR) Also, is this hardware capable of streaming directly to the provided website? Or do I still need my computer involved? My plan is to have ethernet cable connecting my network to the Web Presenter itself. I would have my MacBook with OBS running as a last resort. All of my video mixing will be done using the ATEM TV Studio Pro 4K switcher.Thank you for all of your help and advice!
I do have the 4K version. Aside from handling 4K video it is identical to the HD version.
You need a custom XML file for each service that you’re streaming to. One file per server essentially. If only the stream key changes you don’t need a new file, but if the RTMP server changes you would need to customize the XML.
A Windows or Mac computer is needed to upload an XML file. But you’d probably want to have a computer if you need to change the stream key too. While it can be done in the front panel menu, entering long strings of random characters isn’t exactly fun without a computer keyboard or the ability to copy/paste.
Thank you for this! Our software configuration won't allow us to select the streaming standard and is locked on Facebook. Any suggestions on how to fix this? It's as if it is stuck in default mode only allowing Facebook as the option and not changing anything else. Does the ip address matter as well?
I actually haven't seen this. You might consider reaching out on my Discord server to see if anyone there knows. djp.li/discord
Hey Doug, I just picked up the web presenter 4K! Is it me, or is the HDMI output is very crapy? Even watching it on an HD monitor the edges look very jagged. Have you noticed the same thing?
I haven’t gotten my 4K version yet to test it
I’ve been having issues with the ATEM 4k and the VidiU Go, with random audio issues. Not sure if it’s the unit or the update.. anyways, looking at this purchase now. What is the latency or delay compared to the VidiU?
I haven't done any testing specifically for this, but it feels similar. Most of the delay tends to happen at the receiving end anyway.
Hi DJ. I would like to ask if you tried to connect it to wifi repeater directly? i mean i have an event coming and they told me that wifi only can be access not ethernet to the venue. so i was thinking if will it work if the venue Wifi router to wifi repeater/bridge to ethernet connect to web presenter hd? what yah think? i will be still using phone tether as back up. thanks
It doesn't have its own built-in WiFi radio. You'd need a WiFi to Ethernet bridge
One thing I would like to know is if monitoring is available out of both the HDMi and SDI SIMULTANEOUSLY??
Yes
Is anybody facing problems with cache memory oh BMWP HD? There are few posts on BM Forum for similar problem from few users but i see there are no problems for other users. Can you do a video help us find out, what we doing wrong? I try several cameras with BM HDMI to SDI 3G converter. I can see the camera normaly, with sound. But the cache of BMWP is goinf after 1 min to 100% and stay there, no matter the internet speed. Any idea?
Hello, I am looking for a hardware encoder that is GOOD for 1080p game streaming scenarions for Twitch. I already have an Atem Mini Pro, which has a pool quality for fast gameplay. Currently, I do encode in X264 slow or nvenc very high for quality. I am looking for something externalm to not overload the streaming PC. Thank you for your thoughts. P.S. I love your content!!!!!
Can you setup three of these side by side to stream to different platforms at once?
Yes. That would work just fine.
HI, can you use a USB C to USB A cable for iMacs that either has Thunderbolt2 port or USB A only?
Yes. it will work just fine with USB type A connections.
Hello Doug,
I saw you talked about XML files to stream to other streaming servers than preset. Can i use to private rtmp servers with password and username, etc?
Actually I am using vMix to stream and I get RTMP, Key, Username and Password. Can I set all these in the Web Presenter XML file?
You can do your own custom servers, but I’m not sure about setting authentication information.
Bonding networks should now become a standard in encoders IMO!! Nobody wants to spend $$$ and then realise that network goes down and you’re down too until you switch over!!
you may want to use a bonding network router instead, things that do only one function well are usually more stable. patton has the BD004 for that exact purpose
@@AmauryJacquot Well I agree with your point. BUT that's one more 1U rack space occupied. And for guys like us with a portable rack/rig that's one more unit to configure and keep in check.
@@musicxsam1 you could also use a raspberry pi, that should be powerfull enough to manage a few vpns out through various links and bonding them all
you can always go for LiveU solo or their higher end encoders.....it is a standard for pro doing live projects.
You mentioned multiple audio channels embedded. Can you actually select wich channels to be usede for the stream? or the will they always be 1 and 2?
Hey, how do you activate SRT on youtube? I only have RTMP and HLS
It's in Beta. They only make it available to a handful of people for testing.
Kind regards, Mr Johnson
Could this equipment be used to make live broadcasts on instagram?
Not officially. There is software out there to expose the Instagram RTMP data so you could use this, but you really shouldn't... if Instagram detects that you're streaming from anything other than their app they are likely to ban your account.
@@djp_video Wow I never knew that! No wonder apps like Ecamm Live and others still don’t offer Instagram Live access. Only RUclips & Facebook Live. I hope this changes soon. Its strange because Facebook allows it, and they own Instagram, but won’t allow the same access to live streaming. 🤔
Coming out of my ATEM Constellation 2M/E, why do I need this for streaming instead of going into a computer to stream? I’ve been looking for a video explaining why I need a hardware encoder. Help! Thanks! Love the videos!
A few reasons, but the big one is that you're not tying up an expensive computer to do your video encoding. When streaming with a computer you really shouldn't use it for anything else. Most computers capable of doing high quality video encoding are more expensive than a proper video encoder, so you can actually save money (as opposed to having two computers if you still need to use one while streaming).
In the case of connecting to an ATEM over USB, the video quality with a hardware encoder is going to be significantly better. The USB output of the ATEMs isn't very good... the overall exposure is significantly wrong, colors are off, and much of the picture detail is lost. The ATEM output is designed to be used with Zoom, Teams, and low-quality video conferencing, not live streaming.
The other reason, which doesn't apply to the Web Presenter, is that many hardware encoders (VidiU, LiveU, and others) can bond multiple internet connections together to give you some redundancy and additional bandwidth for a higher quality stream. While there are some software solutions out there to merge multiple connections, from what I've heard from the community, none of them work very well for live video streaming.
Yet another is size and battery life. Many video encoders can be placed atop a camera in a cold/hot shoe so they can be used when you want to stream without a whole switcher setup.
@@djp_video Wow! Thank you for such a fantastic set of answers. Thanks a million for your help!!!
Audio is coming embed on the SDI? What happens if the audio is No embedded on SDI? For example, video coming from a PTZ and Audio signal from an Audio Mixing board. Can I use a Blackmagic Design Audio to SDI Mini Converter
? Thanks, and great video!
Yes, you can use the Audio-to-SDI Mini Converter to embed the audio.
@@djp_video Thanks for the video! Have you had any problems with audio sync? Is there an audio delay on the unit? I have been using Wirecast and have had a lot of sync issues especially for long streams with multiple inputs. I am thinking about getting some kind of dedicated streaming device to take the HDMI output from Wirecast and hopefully fix the issue.
@@liamconnelly434 I haven't had any sync issues myself. But I haven't used this for a ton of different events just yet.
@@djp_video The old version had separate audio inputs. I find it completely stupid that they would remove them on the HD versions. That immediately rules it out of a lot of applications for me. I have no desire to have to carry or spec a separate device just to get audio into it.
Hey Doug, have you ever had any issues connecting with Facebook? I can get the web presenter to show up as a Webcam but not as an encoder. I've had no problem with youtube
No. Are you streaming from the Web Presenter or using a computer with USB?
@@djp_video
I can get it to work via USB but not from the web presenter itself. Tried creating different events and generating new stream keys but nothing seems to have worked. I feel like it must be a simple setting somewhere that I missed.
Is there a way to configure this unit to stream to a VLC app on an iPhone? I have a cheaper URayTech H264/265 encoder that I can configure, in software, to do so when plugged into my router/ap. I’d like to move up to a unit like this but I don’t want to lose that functionality . Thanks
I'm not aware of any way to do it directly. You could setup your own RTMP server and have both the Web Presenter and VLC connect to that. I have a video here on this channel on how to do that.
@@djp_video thanks. I’ll have a look at your video
I have a question...Which one do i need to buy ultrastudio hd mini capture card or web presenter hd for atem tv studio pro 4k...????
That depends on what you need to do... if you want to bring the highest possible quality video into a computer for recording or capture, the UltraStudio products are the way to go. If you want to stream out to the Internet without a computer, the Web Presenter is the product you want.
@@djp_video thanks...
Could the Black Magic Web Presenter HD stream HLG input signals using the Rec.709 color space?
Yes... and no.
HLG is meant to be transparent and pass through a typical Rec.709 workflow. So the Web Presenter treats it like any other 709 video source. It doesn't "expand" it out to its full dynamic range and convert it to Rec.2020 so it gets treated like an HDR source, for example. So the video will go through it and look relatively normal. But it won't be HDR.
@@djp_video Thank you for your response. The actual requirement is to use HLG and S-LOG3 color space video signals as input sources. We want the Black Magic Web Presenter HD to act as a color space converter, or if it can load LUTs. This way, we can map the wide color space of video equipment to Rec.709 during live broadcasts, achieving better picture quality.
The Web Presenter itself does not have the ability to do color space conversions. And it does not have the ability to load and process a LUT. You'd need a separate box for that. The least expensive Blackmagic Design products that can do that are the SDI-to-HDMI Micro Converters... the 3G model can take a 17-point LUT while the 12G model can take a 33-point LUT. Both will allow you to apply the LUT at the SDI or HDMI output. djp.li/12gmicro
Aside from that, my own experience (and that of quite a few of my viewers) is that the Web Presenter can be quite unreliable. Live test here ruclips.net/user/liveUFgqLG1-CDA and re-tested recently here ruclips.net/user/liveHU0PxFisOyI and Discord discussion here discord.gg/F7NzzCuuNv. It also seems to come up in facebook discussion groups at least weekly.
I am starting a new Podcast. I like this product. What would I use to connect two to three cameras?
Thanks in advance.
D.Taylor
You need a video switcher, like an ATEM Mini.
Thank you
You mention that the USB-C on the front duplicates the one on the back but isn't the one on the back to connect to a computer so that the Presenter HD behaves like a webcam feed (for Zoom) while the one on the front is to plug into a mobile device for the internet redundancy?
Either port can be used for either function.
@@djp_video did you test if you can attach two computers via usb for two webcam-outputs?
Shame it doesnt include xlr anymore
Why on earth did they get rid of the XLR audio input on the HD model?
Probably for space reasons. Ultimately most people will have the program audio embedded into the video anyway (for recording, distribution, etc.) so I have a feeling the XLRs weren’t being used that much
Can you stream with Blackmagic to a webpage directly without using RUclips, Vimeo, Facebook etc. Just send the video to a page for and bypass any third parties?
Short answer, yes... long answer, it's hard and can be very expensive and you probably shouldn't. See my video on setting up an RTMP server with web page streaming: ruclips.net/video/D-UjQo_8_rY/видео.html
The web presenter will work for transmission 24/7?
It is supposed to. But I wouldn’t trust it
Can I use this with Ethernet and skip OBS in flow below..?
Current: atem prog out>HyperDeck>WebPresenterHD>usb-c out>PC>OBS>Vimeo>Facebook…
Yes. If you’re not using OBS, you wouldn’t need a computer. You can stream right to Vimeo from the Web Presenter using RTMP.
⚠ Extremely basic question alert!!⚠ Why, in simple terms, would I actually *need* one of these devices, rather than running a live stream via YT (or whatever) straight over my internet connection? A bit of context: I am a teacher running weekly classes over Zoom. A few students' internet connections are occasionally poor, such that they have to disconnect, and reconnect. Occasionally, they miss the session completely and catch up by watching a recording. Would one of these reduce these kinds of occurrences? Is this device not simply 'steadying' the connection from the streamer's end? Am I right in thinking it has no bearing at all on the audience end? In summary, how does the Web Presenter improve on a regular live stream over YT?
These are designed to get video from a video production system out to a streaming site. If you already have a solution for getting video to a site like RUclips, you don't need it. This is for people who want to use a piece of hardware to stream instead of doing it through a piece of software running on a computer.
It does not help with issues on the viewer's end.
@@djp_video Thank you 🙏
Will #BlackMagicDesign fix this on firmware update?
It's tough to say. They haven't done much with firmware updates on these devices though.
@@djp_video hello Doug, I am still holding on this device.. is there any fix from BMD ?
@@akmediaproductions Not that I know of. The one firmware update since this video didn't mention anything about any connectivity improvements. But I haven't taken any time to check for myself.
Really want to watch this video but RUclips is becoming impossible with these 10 minute adverts.