The Dubious History of the Emergency Holograms
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Star Trek Voyager showed us the first Emergency Medical Hologram, the EMH, Doctor who went on to become the full time head of sickbay on that starship. Created by Dr Lewis Zimmerman, the EMH program was developed by the United Federation of Planets and Starfleet R and D to create these amazing artificial crew, but there is more to the project than that. Let's take a look at its origin from Moriarty to where it ends up.
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I was watching some ST once when someone said "Computer, activate the EMH." Then the Alexa in the kitchen responded with "I'm sorry, but the Emergency Medical Hologram is currently offline, and won't be available until 2371."
yeah as much of a dumb AI alexia is she does have her monets Like she always aprcated my grandpa saying thank you... And even reconzed my grandmas voixce when I was teahing my grandma how to talk to her corectlh being a suumb AI aknd all... Alexi said something like "That is a good imprstion of your grandma!"... So yeah she did something outside her programed but unlike Microsofter co-pilot or Gemini she got confused exactlhy like Homo sapiens do over the phone with crosstalk! Which is alexi wasn't able to deal with corosstalk how would amazon have had the polish to code those lines? Which yes offline AI are exactly what people have for centuries since the concpot of a robot came around they would be limited to their programing... Which alexi was and wasn't nmore was she smart enough to solve the crosstalk which to be fair my Dad and grandpartneds are far worse at it then she is!
Salvia?
Yeah but the CIA snooping program is working right now
You allow a spy device into your home? Alex records your audio 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Why not just get a telescreen from 1984?
@@camerongunn7906That would be FBI, not CIA.
CIA is legally prevented from having anything to do with domestic issues. It can only operate outside the borders of the US.
Before you say something snarky like “that’s what they SAY is happening” they actually take this divide between the FBI and CIA VERY seriously.
I'm a doctor, not a RUclips comment.
McCoy ( Damn it Man im a Doctor not a Repair Man ).
EMH ( I know that what an odd thing to say are you concussed ).
Lol.
Could someone perfect this good stated joke to “commentator” from “comment” please?. Yes, auto correct strikes again. Thanks.
I'm a doctor, not a Internet Meme
Lmao
Here's a terrifying idea: hologram language processing subroutines might very well have *been trained* on RUclips comments!
I personally loved the Rimmer emergency hologram. When you’re the last human alive, you need a pain in the ass roommate to keep you sane.
But, was Rimmer actually real or a character in the real life game...
Theres a picture of Chris Barrie and Robert Picardo at a con together, holding signed pictures of each other. :)
Therse also a picture of Robert Picardo with David Tennant :)
I actually met Robert Picardo, as well as John de Lancie, at a comic book store here in Waterloo, Ontario Canada, around 2011, it was raining that day, so I decided to briefly say hello, so the others outside wouldn't have to wait outside in the rain long. I apologized for the rain, but they were gracious, both stellar actors.
Live long, and prosper.
Why would you apologize for the rain? Are you a weather god?
@@ExNihil0I apologise for his apology 😔
@ExNihil0 You can apologize as a form of regret, like "I'm sorry for your loss" while not claiming any fault in the person's passing.
We Canadians even made it a law, so your such apology could not used agaist you as proof of fault.
The Apology Act is a law in the province of Ontario
that provides apologies made by a person does not
necessarily constitute an admission of guilt.
@@ExNihil0 I mean, Q was right there, if he didn't want it to rain, it wouldn't. Even the planetary weather control system can't stop him.
I've met Robert Picardo as well. Such a genuinely nice person.
Ok the bald head intro was brilliant.
"MY EYES!!!"
HAIRLINE, THE FINAL FINAL FRONTIER 😅
A security hologram makes a lot of sense, being a seemingly quick and invulnerable responder.
Perhaps, although baddies catching on to any holo-based security measures - whether near sentient or not - and developing the broad spectrum counter of "keeping holo jamming tech at the ready" would kinda suck. 😋
I always liked the idea of emergency holograms for things like security, repairs, anything that could need more hands at a moments notice.
Plus security holos don’t have to be humanoid. They could basically be an army of Odos
I think the "invulnerability" only works to an extent -- obviously you can't kill a hologram by firing phasers at the holographic body, but it may be easier to disrupt/disable than an organic security officer... pros and cons either way
@@DoctorX17a good mix of holographic guards and flesh ones would provide good quantity and quality to any situation! 😊😊😊
When I was a kid, my uncle told me about that show he was watching, Voyager, and how their doctor was a computer program instead of a human.
I didn't know what he meant by that, so I imagined a little bunk in a crammed corridor where you lay down and some robot arms do medicine stuff on you
Something as strange as a balding projection with a knack for sass didn't even come to mind to little me
😂 no one would've ever imagined "holographic projection" capable of manipulating and interacting wit physical matter,,,, a robot arm is super logical lol
The doctor is definitely one of my all-time favorites. Well Voyager is my favorite.
I am not a Voyager fan (DS9 is much more my style), but totally agree the Doctor is a great character and Picardo is a great actor.
@travcollier I was late to the DS9 premiere if you will. Lol I grew to like it years later though. I remember when Cisco Avery Brooks was on Spencer for hire. Yeah I'm ancient. 😅 And yeah Robert picardo did have some serious acting chops.
One thing that got me giddy about the Picard series is that when I was a child watching Voyager and introduced to the EMH, I used to play spaceship/trek a lot. I also lived alone as far as kids go so except for Sundays when my cousins would come over I was usually alone. In my games I had a holographic crew, and sometimes I would play their characters I had a Mobile emitter that was actually a magnetic key holder, that was a box I would wear on my sleeve or belt.
But I made up having an entire bridge crew of holographic crew members as a child. I'm now 40, so when I saw the captain Rios with his holographic crew I immediately got giddy and remembered that I had the same idea over 20 years ago.
I've always been fascinated with the EMH program, and the doctor was probably my favorite part of Voyager, and I absolutely love the actor even though for the most part I hated Woolsey in Stargate Atlantis, but more as a heel not anything bad. I was supposed to not like him for the most part until he redeemed himself.
Great video.
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if you're a fan of Voyager then you realise that the mobile emitter couldn't possibly be replicated or in use during 'Picard' ..
Federation R&D wouldn't have a clue how to mass produce that technology.
Also, why did the Borg queen order her troops to shoot real bullets at a hologram.
The reason I always liked Star trek was because it made sense and writers didn't just throw cool things around for action scene kicks
I didn't even have cousins.. the isolating crippled me and the world is a far summer place thanks to my
The one detail I appreciate is the picture with the EMH and his "father" Zimmermann. Zimmermann is just a little bit shorter than the EMH because of the natural aging process, and older people kinda shrink, and so has Zimmermann. That's attention to detail that I appreciate.
If I had the skills, I'd take a clip of somebody entering Sickbay and saying "activate emergency Hologram" and then superimpose the Baymax figure "Hello, I am Baymax, ...."
The EMH was one of the few redeeming features of Voyager.
And I loved his cameo in First Contact.
That was funny
Poor doctor
few redeeming? palease.
Borg implants ....
Ok, two redeeming @@xBINARYGODx
@@MakandoKabilatwo other good qualities.
Voyager blew my mind with their EMH. I love the character because he reminds Bones from the original series, with his gruff attitude, but in reality he cares deeply about about people and is insanely compassionate. I also love all of the holograms on La Sirena, I had some of my greatest laughs in season 1 of Picard thanks to them!
I'm sorry, but if Moriarty's absurd origin qualifies him as a living, sapient being, then Vic DEFINITELY qualifies.
Vic is 100% real to the point of actually being real in the mirror universe which makes absolutely no sense.
Good old Moon Doggy.
DS9 is great but even the best show pumps out some questionable content now and then
@@Kronosfobiit also doesnt make sense that all the other people had mirror-universe counterparts even though they were born centuries after the timeline diverged. Put aside the fact that all their ancestors somehow survived the Terran Empire's weekly coups and still shacked up together, it's not like there's any reason their offspring would be genetically identical to their prime universe counterparts instead of being basically siblings.
@@battlesheep2552You’re assuming that it is a simple case of divergence from a single point. What if it isn’t? What if the two universe are inextricably linked together?
The Doctor is one of the best characters in Trek
Doctor who?
Amazing growth as well.
Robert Picardo did an amazing job with the character, and I'm so glad we got him back for Prodigy! And there's a chance he could appear in Academy, given holograms don't really have an upper limit on "lifespan" the way typically organics do
He's my favorite
The shipboard computer of the Galaxy class must have been a beast. Moriarty isn't the only new life form created by that computer.
Ive always had a theory that the Enterprise D had a unique computer core, i.e. it inherited its predecessors data, and therefore had more "experience" driving its functions.
"Those holographic holograms are takin our joobs" - Beverley Crusher
😂😂😂😂
As a TNG fan, your pan-Trek reviews of inter-series 'features' like these make a compelling case to consider getting (back) into the other shows. I saw all of Voyager as a teenager, and did like the EMH a lot. But sitting through VOY and DS9 as an adult, would be a tall order, personally
4:25 I love how Trek even predicted people panicking over AI taking their jobs.
That panic isn't new, its a tale as old as industrialisation but every few decades the technology stealing your job changes.
Oh, that wasn't a prediction. There's a lot of justifiable protest and stress across history of the development of new technology not obsoleting human expertise, per se, but allowing for the mistreatment and dismissal of those same humans. It's not 'technology is scary and will take our jobs', it's that the existence of these machines, even if they aren't even that good, leads higher-ups to a perceived decrease in value of the humans involved. 'We can just replace you with a machine' isn't something the workers tell themselves, it's something that their employers tell them to reduce their value in employment and negotiations.
It doesn't matter if a doctor can tell immediately that the EMH is a worse doctor than them; it matters that, somewhere along the higher processes of hiring and implementation, there's probably people in Starfleet going 'the EMH exists, we don't need a doctor on this ship'. Of course, with Starfleet being post-scarcity and in some form post-money, the only problem there is fresh and promising doctors being bored and undervalued, rather than not getting work that provides the money they need to live.
It was doing that back during the TOS era shows.
So basically, “just ask the workers of textile factories post-Industrial Revolution & of cotton farms post-cotton-gin” ?
@@EinDoseYou do realize manufacturing machines (and even modern AI) still need human executed checks and balances, right? Not just for maintenance, but to manage the work input and output. Even all these years after the invention of the autoloom, they still fail. They require not only an engineer to repair them, but an informed overseer to check their work. Not even the highest end image recognition software can spot every torn thread or quickly resolve an outright failed row.
It never crossed my mind that Moriarty could be the "ancestor"/ that these events kicked off the doctor's existence. For me, they are two completely individual events and I never knew the time both happend. I mean obviously TNG happend before Voyager and so on, but I never looked at the full scale of events.
That's why these videos with timelines are interesting, they provide an overview about stuff I haven't heard of yet or didn't connect to something else.
"computer deactivate Iguana".
Lel.
Im a doctor not a zookeeper
I swear this channel is the only thing keeping my love of Star Trek alive.
Star Trek Picard was an abomination. I tried, but I could not make it past the 4th episode of season 1.
If this is all that keeps your attention on Trek, maybe Star Wars would be more your speed.
Ditto. I'm not going to look at any of the new ones and just wait for someone who actually loves and respects Star Trek to reboot it. Already been too let down by the new series
The series here regarding Star Trek Online keeps me going. I love me some Star Trek but Discovery onwards I'm cool, thanks. The stuff I like will always be there so if they wanna take it differently, then whatever.
Same
I wish someone actually wrote a novelization of Photons be Free
I know I'd read it.
There used to be a few good fan fix versions before the Globalstar destroyed the internet in 2012
It's funny how nobody seems to get the reference why Dr. Zimmerman is called Dr. Zimmerman. Zimmermann means carpenter in German, which is a homage to the creator of piniccio, who was a woodworker as well and made a puppet which became more than the sum of its parts. :)
I would think the EMH and Soong type Androids would have a kind of kinship of their own. I'm shocked that the Borg have not attempted to assimilate such technology for their use when extra drones would be necessary temporarily.
Please state the nature of the new certifiably ingame video. - seriously it was a lot of fun seeing the "upgraded" Dr in DS9 but then also the other references to the Dr throughout the universe. Its cameo in First Contact - I remember seeing it on VHS w/ my dad and both of us laughing at the cool cameo. It makes total sense too from a Trek fans POV. I mean if I was Crusher, I would have specified maybe replicating a few phasers. I mean can you imagine the Dr dual wielding like Master Chief and not going out until a pileup of Borg bodies finally gives way to them cutting the power. . . only for the backup system bringing him back for more - this time with a phaser rifle. All with Roberts dry whit and humor playing all along the way. Seriously . . . GIVE ME!
Happy New Year from this die hard Trek fan from Cape Cod, MA! :)
Awesome overview. WHile I'm not a fan of the Picard series myself I am glad they remembered that holographic characters could still be apart of a crew.
This a splendid summary of how Emergency Holograms have progressed through the various ST shows. They could have easily abandoned it after Voyager but I'm glad writers didn't. I attribute part of holographic development to the mobile emitter as well. There was no way the tech wasn't going to be studied more closely. Remember, during Year from Hell, the Mobile Emitter meant Doctor didn't have draw power from Voyager's damaged systems. He had a plentiful power supply and the continuous use of the emitter for long periods of time neither adversely impacted his program or the emitter. In many ways, holograms would be much easier to develop than any Soong-type murderbot.
Soong-type murderbots can't be beat, except by their own kind as intended. Although there was that deranged hologram on that ship that murdered his crew because they were dirty. Holograms aren't necessarily safe, it's just that Zimmerman put limits into the ones he made and Soong for the most part only toyed with adding in limits when he couldn't think of a better solution. If a Soong-type hologram was made, there's a 99% chance it'd be a murdergram.
3:00 he looks like he's constantly coming up with a solution to a problem then immediately realizing why that solution won't work 😅
The irony of the EMH... The most posed question: Doctor who?
Please state the nature of the temporal emergency? Oh wait wrong Doctor. ;)
it used to be seen as science fiction and something of the future, but with chat gpt, I can see how u could make a super advanced verssion of chat gpt trained on medical data and link to a character model and interact fluidly in that way, u could actually make those holograms a reality~
I love how star trek was so ahead of its time that we're slowly catching up to most of their tech, it started with the comunicator being the birth of the first protable phones and the datapads being basically modern tablettes/pda computers, and now even ai starting to get to a state that makes a lot of star trek tech seem not as science fiction as they once was
Oh we Barclay posting now? Nice.
>Disengage safeties
Ironically, being genetically enhanced would have been a positive for the Bashir model EMH's psychology... Bashir knew how to interact and cope with people who didn't have his advanced abilities, and not get frustrated by their limitations.
And like Bashir, a EMH has perfect recall and the ability to number crunch massive amounts of raw data.
A EMH does have some superhuman capabilities, and that in its itself could lead to friction with the average organic if the EMH didn't make at least an effort to tone it down to their level.
Bashirs ability to fit in as "one of the regular people" that he'd practiced over the years was the one skill that would have really made the Bashir EMH become just another crewmember.
The only issue is the risk of organic medical staff regularly falling in love with a talkative attractive hologram.
You know Beverly would have....
The Federation really, really hates augments. Bashir was already stationed on DS9, but would've been kicked out or majorly discriminated against anywhere else, in a less delicate situation. He was already stationed at an outpost, with others who weren't even Starfleet officers and Sisko believed the ends justified the means, instead of following Federation rules. So, Bashir had everything on his side and it still basically ruined his career long-term as far as I know.
The Federation would've shut down Zimmerman's research just to avoid looking at a Bashir hologram. Spreading him around on Starfleet ships would've been worse than if the EMH was based on a Klingon nudist.
In the early episodes of Voyager, the producers, I feel, did a great job at portraying not only the negativity of discrimination, but it's wider impact using the Doctor as a foil.
Something that Star Trek in general has excelled at since the 60s.👏
Happy New Year 🎊 Rick!
The EMH is definitely a fascinating piece of Federation technology and shows just how far holographic technology can evolve.
I always wanted a small side story of The Doctor meeting his Backup from Living Witness. :)
My mind immediately went to thoughts of an ECH magical girl style transformation
Consider an emergency security hologram/holograms. Ship gets boarded and the computer automatically deploys a squad of holographic commandos. Think the MAKOs from Enterprise.
And it really only need be a modified version of the various training programs turned up to "Are you totally insane?" difficulty and safeties turned off. Give them the ability to turn on the containment forcefields in the passageways and enough brains to make threat determinations on any and all unknown movement on the ship and a good half of the plots would never happen.
consider how many times power relays and EPS conduits explode and "re route all available power to shields" is shouted and your premise falls apart. Especially since troops could only beam over once shields have been depleted
Happy new year, Ric! It is quite interesting where the EMH can trace it's roots from. If only Moriarty could see his descendants.
I am surprised you didn't give a mention to the holograms in the database and holomatrix that Captain Janeway gave the Hirogen. I don't know if they were sentient or not, but they seemed pretty self aware.
Vic Fontaine came along after the EMH was created (3 years after the EMH Mk1, around the same time the EMH mk2 started seeing deployment)
IMO the odds are that Bashir's friend felix 'borrowed' EMH mk1 code to help make Vic.
that said, Minuet from TNG "11001001" might well have been the progenetor of the sentient hologram, as her program (one the bynars had installed to distract the crew of the enterprise) showed the same sort of advanced interaction and learning ability, as well as self-awareness of her existance as a hologram. while riker was never able to bring her back after they regained control of the ship, i have sometimes wondered if that code wasn't still in the ship's computer, sitting inert.. and the request for "an enemy capable of defeating commander data" triggered it somehow, resulting those self-awareness and learning aspects being used to create the Moriaty program.
That was always my head cannon too.
Something I always found fascinating, but largely chalk up to tech in the 80s/90s still kinda being a new concept, the way that holographic programs were talked about almost like hardware -- that they were programs, but you couldn't just copy them to another ship, only MOVE the whole thing, or repurpose like the EMH MKI being used for waste hauling. I think it's clearly reasonable to not be able to just have 20 copies on a ship due to capacity requirements, but also would imagine that you should be able to make a perfect duplicate just like we copy files, or people share other holoprograms in universe, provided they have the space
Designer ( How Snarky can i make Him hmmm ).
His Subconscious ( YES ).
Lol respect and keep up the epic work can you do a video on what a 26th Century Borg ship may kook like please ?.
One of my favorite arcs in Voyager is when they were time traveling and got that mobile emitter. That show was a weird blend between episodic and long story arcs.. loved it
Ziimmerman's reaction to the Doctor having a sex life was hilarious.
Starfleet Medical personnel: "Holograms are gonna take our jerbs!"
Except you don't get paid a monetary wage and won't starve if you don't work so there isn't much to be worried about.
In one episode, the EMH refers to himself as "MK1 Emergency medical program Omega 323", while he doesn't have a name, he does have a serial number.
EHH aka Emergency Hot Heads at your service 😂
Thank you for another great episode! I quite enjoy the Doctor's various arcs throughout Voyager. I felt he played the flawed individual trying to discover himself very well. Plus, I enjoyed the evolution of his relationship with Seven.
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
I find it fascinating that star trek predicted prompting ai
Did they ever go back to Moriarty and "free" it - bring it to the Zimmerman lab - release him and his gf from their box so they could help the development on the next generations?
That would have been an interesting story.
Worth considering, if the question was raised as to sentient holoprograms being a security risk to Starfleet / UFP, then it wouldn’t have just been down to whether they could be hacked the same way as synths. The experiences of Voyager’s EMH (in, for example, “Renaissance Man”), proved that holoprograms could also be subjected to manipulation, blackmail and threats from hostile parties. So then it’s not even just about security issues in their programs, but also what they’d be capable of doing under duress.
Thank you Rick
I imagine that the development of the LMH was something along the lines of the P-47, a supped-up version of the P-38 Lightning. By the time that the P-47 FINALLY achieved its design criteria, the engines on the P-38 had been improved to the point that the P-38 was lighter, faster, had a higher flight ceiling and longer range, than the P-47.
It's interesting, you could say that soong was even the grandfather of this kindve intelligence, being the progenator of almost all artificial intelligence in the federated space. Since it was data's intelligence that spurred the creation of the Moriarty programs, the ship basing Moriarty's capabilities on data's intelligence by Geordy's order, one could say that even the basic ideas around the emh were still rooted in Soong type AI.
What I hoped would happen in VOY is utilizing different actors for different aspects of what the Doctor could do.
One thing I like about the Dr was that he wasnt just a program, but also the experiences, which made him to be what he was. Its kind of similar to an AI model, which you train with data, and use that to perform certain tasks. The doctor's unique personality came from his interactions with the Voyager's crew.
Happy New Year Rick!
sapience - ability to think, reason, and acquire wisdom.
sentient - The ability to feel and perceive things.
sappy - slang for both of those terms merged together, because nobody likes to say sapient or sentient out loud unless they're in a nerdient safe space.
@@chrisbalfour466 The evolution of words is crazy, no?
The weirdest issue about the EMH was how they treated it like he had a body. He didn't. A hologram is just a projection. You don't need to "transfer" the hologram places. Even if he is sapient/self aware, his mind is in the computer. Even when it looks like he's standing there. I chalk this up to writers having no idea how computers work.
dont the shows make clear that the holographic "matrix" is the program and body combined into one thing
EMH was combination of program, hologram and forcefields so EMH could hold tools. In Voyager EMH had to be confined to Medbay as it was only place equipped with sensors and forcefields projectors to allow EMH to be used. It only later writers give EMH a gimmick from "future" to function around the ship. Federation later started to build ships with holo-projectors to be all around the ship.
@@death13a The projectors are for the hologram itself. The program is not contained within the hologram. The hologram is just a mixture of light and forcefields just like everything else on the holodeck. The program (and thus the doctor's "mind") exists in the computer that's running the holoprojector (or the mobile emitter which is just a tiny holoprojector + computer). I'll grant the fact that the doctor is sapient but the program is not part of his "body", which doesn't actually exist.
@@ArtificialQT Well yeah, obviously sickbay will have its own dedicated computer core. Lots of places on the ship have their own dedicated computer coress, the ship is pretty decentralized in that way, even if there is a "master" computer. My point is that the doctor's program exists within the computer, not within the visible hologram. The hologram is just that, a projection. The people that are saying the program is part of the hologram are like those people from the computer stupidities site that think files are stored in the monitor. "Don't change my monitor, all my files are there, see?"
The holographic projectors are just a fancy futuristic 3D version of a monitor. The hologram is just light and force fields, it isn't "really" the doctor, the same way files on your desktop aren't stored in the monitor. The doctor exists entirely within the computer (or mobile emitter which like I said is just a futuristic miniaturized computer + holographic projector).
I attribute it to the EMH program wanting to put/keep its patients at ease, so to speak. Just by "walking around" the space it's projected in, it conveys a sense of normalcy, essentially lulling everyone around into acceptance. That would be much, much harder to do if the EMH made it blatently obvious that it was just projecting photons & forcefields around the room.
When "he" gets transferred places, it's the hardware needed for that application getting installed somewhere. At some point, the software is copied in. I've no doubt that in the more advanced ST universe the advanced tech can replicate whatever's needed and transporter it into place, making "installations" a breeze.
Johnny Cab from Total Recall was the very first version of the Doctor
Robert Picardo is probably my favorite actor in Trek because of his roles lol.
I am never disappointed with your content.
Fantastic episode my good sir
It would be so nice if for key events on the timeline, in-universe dates were provided alongside series-season-episode numbers. Because that's how many of us experienced it- TNG in episode order, then DS9 in episode order, then VOY in episode order.
A government would shutoff all non-essential holograms and synths/androids, as a policy.
The Federation would definitely do that.
Also, all the California class ships would be pulled back to repair mars facilities
You shouldn't consider Picard S1/2 to be cannon tbh
Data and LaForge should get some credit for the EMH program. Since they created Moriarty in a sense.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Doctor's holo-novel rights as not a citizen but an artist before Voyager's return to the Alpha-Quadrant.
Makes me wonder what happened to the Exocomps.
In apocrypha (namely Star Trek Online) they were granted the rights and respect of an entire species, began building more of themselves, established a colony world, which joined the UFP, and exocomp is one of the species of crew members available to enlist on your ship along with Horta et al.
@@happmacdonaldalso in canon remember Peanut Hamper.
Two (mathematically perfect) words: *Peanut Hamper*
Also, in her last appearance, you see her interact with her father, Kevin. They're treated as a distinct species with full rights and Federation citizenship.
@@happmacdonald That's awesome! I am so happy for Exocomps!
No Janeway Training hologram information? I would have thought that to be a Zimmerman design
Thanks very much for this. Every so often I point out that there's *still* no canon explanation of the extra Mk1s that were last seen essentially as slaves despite them quite likely being sentient. Given an Exocomp like Peanut Hamper can, in cannon, go to Starfleet Academy you'd think they'd have developed a standard test for sentience.
Part of the problem is identifying what point you need to administer such a test so that it would be useful.
Even if WE think something might be sentient, how can you communicate the purpose of a test to it? How can you explain the rules? If it’s a form of life truly new to us, it’s unlikely we would view it as alive at first anyway
I wonder if the copy of the Dr from the episode 'Living Witness' ever made it home and how his reception went.
There was never any thoughts behind the "synthetics ban"..
We all should just pretend like New Trek is just a very bad alternate timeline and be happy with what we got.
No comments on how the Mobile Emitter contributed to the Voyager EMH's development by allowing him to experience and interact with places outside those equipped with holoemitters?
Please state the nature of the medical emergency.
*Man who's leg was cut of by the crews Robotic bridge officer as a practical joke*
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oh?-oh, there is no medical emergency. It's just a timeline history of the EMH record.
I was always of the belief that Moriarty was created when the E-D computer just up and used copies of Data's programs that were in ships computer, along with the work of Dr. Soong and Dr. Graves. As that seemed to be the most logical way for the E-D computer to make a holodeck character capable of 'defeating Data'. At the same time, I also suspected that Zimmerman (along with probably others) were students of Graves and later Soong work. As it was more Data and Lore's software than their Positronic brains that made them true AI's. In fact I always wondered how much Zimmerman 'borrowed' from Soong in the creation of his holograms.
Just wanted to add a little info, there is a holographic crew in the first season of Enterprise. Made to be near replicas of the previous crew, they maintained and eventually flew the ship.
Thank you.
The story of the Voyager EMH was the best discovery of new life story in the Star Trek universe.
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@jorisw_ Eh, maybe if that story had gone on for a season and he willingly sacrificed himself.
It would seem common sense to have emergency holograms for medicine (assisting with mass casualty incidents and contagions), engineering (damage control and repairs in areas inhospitable for organic crew), and security (to assist in repel boarders, escorting potentially dangerous prisoners or visitors, rapid response to calls for security), it's the sort of thing one would expected an enlightened bunch like the Federation to have developed as soon as holodecks were perfected.
or anything really, like there's no reason every station shouldn't have one. worse case senario you could poorly automate the ship with just one captain.
consider how many times power relays and EPS conduits explode and "re route all available power to shields" is shouted and your premise falls apart. Especially since troops could only beam over once shields have been depleted.
where is this extra energy coming from?
@BrockSamson-i1i consider that small shuttlecraft have fusion reactors and associated powerplants that power their phasers and shields and warp drives and then tell me that just one of those power plants couldn't power dozens of emergency or even full time holographic crew and then tell me one of those goddamn spacefaring cruise liners in the Federation don't have room for at least a half dozen of those powerplants. I mean gawd, think of the power expenditure of small arms phasers and tell me that the power banks/batteries/capacitors in those things couldn't power at least a single EMH for a few hours. I think the premace stands for now.
Meanwhile, Vedal creating Neuro-sama and Evil Neuro, and hearing them use words he didn't program them to use.
This was a great episode, and what an awesomely deep topic! I love a morally complex issue like a.i being brought into a world and the potential problems both ethically and practical.
I think Data's court case should have stopped EMH programs from being made at all but it's hard to dismiss how very capable and skilled they could be for cases as the series has displayed over the years.
Arguably the more crude holo-programs in Picard that just mimic personalities are the more human edge of what the holo-A.I tech should get to so one is not making sapient beings to serve for the sake of making "cheap" and yet still effective, and disposable beings, but the vast actual capability of one is hard to ignore.
The best option is for each holo-A.I to be "born" and given a growth period inside a kind of A.I school, and ultimately choose their own path in their lives inside society.
It's an imperfect method in that it would not get the Federation constant, potentially useful A.I staff/crew for their ships or facilities, BUT it would be the most human method to bring such beings into existence but with NO expectations and just letting them do what they can where they want.
However even under the most human methods there's still some risk, not to mention the obvious of being hacked somehow or misdirected, so there is a fair argument to be made that there should be no more A.I holo or A.I ANYTHING made to serve the Federation, as difficult as that could be to truly cut off all A.I generation within their borders, much less outside yet close to home.
Anyways, rant over, great episode as usual Certifiably Ingame! Thanks for making these and other fascinating videos delving into such topics!
I wonder if they ever made things right with Moriarty. He was originally coded to be a villain but rapidly grew past that programming, and he really just wanted his freedom, to be allowed to exist. He started to rebel once it was clear that the Enterprise crew wasn't interested in helping him and were annoyed by his existence. I can't say I'd do any different in his shoes
IRL, no one would invent a holographic doctor. Hot, curvy nurses in short skirts on the other hand . . .
We all know what the Holodecks are really used for.
Don't we see them cleaning the holo filters in Lower Decks 🤮
AI doctors are soon a reality
Riker - "if anybody needs me, I'll be in holodeck 2"
People's jobs done by AI is definitely a relevant and important topic. Star Trek could and should cover that
I never understood why the physical body of the hologram often is treated as the program. These holopeople would make the ultimate security guards.. they could take on any form (even impossible ones) and if they are vaporized, just create a new one, you'd think. It's be like fighting an immortal infinitely respawning changeling.
consider how many times power relays and EPS conduits explode and "re route all available power to shields" is shouted and your premise falls apart. Especially since troops could only beam over once shields have been depleted..
where is this extra power coming from during an emergency that requires repelling borders?
Emergency Medical Claude reporting for duty!
An interesting holodeck concept would be the holo-lab. Using basic holodeck room simulations, transporters, and industrial replicators most any space needed could be created in a few moments and any lab you could want could using something between a standard holodeck "person" and an EMH type one could run any and all basic tests as well as be directed by just one or two experts in special tasks.
It'd be practical, but very dangerous. Transporters have safe guards that are bypassed for research. Combining safety-bypassed transporters with holodeck simulations and potentially hazardous research spells major drama, like (macroscopic) borg nanites eating the crew or physical manifestations of energy lifeforms getting all stabby with their captors, etc.
@@chrisbalfour466 That may be a consideration, but one you have when bringing any samples on board. My thinking in using the transporters would be moving things to/from replicator bays and storage.
A starship with a crew of entirely holograms might become standard in future starfleet operations. Perhaps starfleet itself will be managed by holograms. For first contact or interacting with solids off ship, holograms with mobile emitters might be used.
12:00 If I had a crew of Holograms, they'll be my Characters from my favourite Video Games 🎮
We need a new star trek show, maybe animated but we should get a ship and have the crew be nothing but holograms but all the holograms from all of star trek series!!
I wish I had a procrastination covering hologram.
Have @Wonderful New Year's ! / / thanks
there is no star trek canon from the 32nd century
thank you
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If the Enterprise computer could create a sentient life form, then the computer must be sentient itself.
that's like suggesting that a 3d printer is alive because it can produce living human cells from bio-matter
Rick, do an episode on the Think Tank. Voyager episode. What happened to them after ?
1 more thing. Mobile emitter. The badge that holds and projects his holo program from the future.
Given his personality, I can only imagine how Zimmerman managed to get approval/resources for this project.
"I've don 10 of your drudgework projects, now I'll either get to do my pet project or I'll take my early pension with no chance of tech support"