The Legalisation of Steroids In MMA Is Happening
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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Belfort bout to have a career resurgence at 50
not the first time tho
yep shredded on Horse meat from mexico
Left kick 🦵🏼 cemetery anyone? 💀 🍆
@@Ghostintheshell3551 Yup Ubereem is on his way back too.
Why are steroids becoming so normalized as if they don't have side effects?
Because intelligence has gone down and cowardice has increased
Also the fact that if they get legal, people are gonna push them harder and harder, increasing their side effects. People aren't gonna stop pushing whatever advantage they can get, especially when you're in the premiere league of the world.
What side effects are you most concerned about?
It's also a big reason for men feeling bad because they can't look as good as the guy who is 3* older and roided out but lies about it .
Because it’s not 1980 anymore dude. It’s safer right now than it ever has in human history. You need to be smart with it and you’ll be safe. Now obviously in this argument you could ask “why is people being punched in the face for sport become so normalized even if it has side effects?” Because mma and boxing has become less safe over time due to science and steroids have become safer in the same amount of time.
Rogan with all of his medical knowledge at work.
Right 😂😂😂 rogan is such a tool
The boys misrepresented Joe here. He was actually kind of against it (especially in mma). Their argument is that most professional athletes do it anyway so why not make it all above board
Dude needs to have Derek back again
What did he say that was wrong?
I have this mental image of the fighters doing their cage walks and right up there next to their name and hometown is the name of their doctor and what PEDs they’re on
This is dumb
Fine by me, baby.
@@Hazztech Same here. People acting like they don't want to see the edge of what is humanly possible are so full of shit lmao
Roid raged coked out Jones and Conor going all Eddie Hall on a bunch of flyweights ain’t that much to ask for
Roids just exemplify emotions you already have
@@iansmall6918yup
Mac and Jon aren’t exactly the calmest of people
Throw Bob Saap and Victor Belfort in there too.
They all use
@@Youralwayswhining4367 no shit I love when people on RUclips just say the most obvious shit
Joe Rogan needs to tell Michael Bisping that it's safer for people to be on roids.
Roided people fighting roided people
Vs
Roided people fighting not roided people.
Do you see a difference?
@@TheMightyMidget PEDs means faster movement and power. It doesn’t mean faster reaction time or more durable brain. Understand the difference?
@@Jonjoneshitmewitha12-6 Except it does? You react and recover quicker on certain peds. But I’m not going to argue w someone tarring them all w the same brush because you clearly don’t know anything.
@@TheMightyMidget roids improve power, speed, endurance, and muscle/bone recovery. The problem is you don't recover (for the most part) brain damage. So sure if they break a leg it'll recover faster, but it's at the cost of more irreparable brain damage.
In other words; more cte, more eye disconnections, and more broken bones (that will recover faster but regardless).
Vitor was definitely safer in that fight than Bisping. If Bisping was on gear he might still have 2 eyes.
They already have this it’s called the Olympics!!
If you think that Olympic athletes are not on steroids , you’re very naive.
What steroid strengthens the brain stem and prevents the brain from sloshing around after getting hit by ubereem or head kicked by trt vitor? How could steroids make the fighters safer other than helping them recover from a injury
Bigger traps, neck, back muscles allow for more stability and shock absorbing
The concept of integrity and righteousness is really being tested in the world right now.
That actually began 4 years ago when everyone decided to stay home like a bunch of sheep
"tHe cOnCePt of InTeGrItY AnD RiGHteOuSNeSs is ReALLy beiNg tEsTED iN thE worLd riGHT nOW." BLUD THAT SHIT BEEN GONE SINCE THE DAWN OF HUMANITY. STOP YAPPIN AND CRYING
Did you just mention "integrity and righteousness" in the same context with MMA? LMAO wow-- I wish I could go through life that blissfully ignorant.
Piss off
@@j.menapace625
No it was in context of the world and a conglomeration of all current events. This is just a small microcosm of the bigger issue is what he meant.
We already know what happens when steroids are somewhat normalized by the amount of professional wrestlers in the 70s, 80s, and 90s who didn't make it to fifty.
That was also the dark ages of PED usage. There was almost no literature on what those compounds were, what they did, and how they worked. People were just taking anything and everything. It would be far more safe now.
That had nothing to do with the rampant drugs or alcohol either, I'm sure
@@StevenHall-ul4foI'm sure your heart physically growing doesn't help with cocaine abuse
Joe Rogan having the most smooth brained take imaginable.
Some things never change.
Powerlifting has already done this.
The worry I have with combat sports is people literally dying.
Just change the name to gladiator fights and we're golden.
@@I_AM_BAYTOR Spartans
@@kameronjones7139 we don't need booty warriors in there too.
@@I_AM_BAYTOR booooooo
People worrying about side effects of PEDs while cheering for dudes getting KO'd.
how is that relevant to the discussion??
@@Halfort57 because that's one of the arguments against PEDs. That they cause longterm health problems for the users. But getting hit in the head repeatedly is probably just as bad for you.
@@JD10X Ok. Are you saying ban MMA?
Because we're not. So if you're not, and I'm not, why are you bringing it up?
There's no point being stupid.
Anyway, if you think this is done innocently without intent to make $$ off impressionable idiots, you're an idiot, honestly.
Wasted paying officials is kinda similar to how US colleges have hired more and more Administrators. It's bloat expenditure without an improvement in product.
I feel like this is gonna normalize steroid use amongst younger people. I remember working a fitness store and this young kid came in pissed with a lump in his chest from something my coworker sold him
"We take steroids live" got me good, I spat my coffee all over my table 😂
I want my favourite fighters to make it well into their 50's, I'm not looking forward to the heartbreak that is pro-wrestling.
Its gotta one of two ways:
1. Steroids legal in all sports across the board
2. Steroids remain illegal in all sports across the board.
To create a "super league" that has one avenue of success, with almost zero chances for athletes to continue competing outside said league at the highest level, seems ridiculous and a no-win for athletes. We're gonna see nothing but B or C-tier athletes that couldnt hack it without PEDs, while the A-tier atheletes remain clean for a long career. Maybe im wrong, but i dont see this ending well, however the prospect of a league of super freaks mangling each other does sound fun 😂
On top of it being more dangerous to be in those
THE UFC HALL OF FAME DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT STEROIDS! DID NONE OF YOU WATCH BACK IN THE DAY!?
The sponsorship bit is hilarious. It'll be like Formula 1, every steroid manufacturer has a stable of athletes. And in the 5km run they have a pit stop where they can inject more steroids.
rogans been eating too much alfalfa brain
From seeing what happened when WWE was filled with steroids can we not already see what will happen?
How's WWE comparable to UFC when it comes to steroid use?
@@govegan92because everyone's on it and lying about it
@@govegan92guys dropping dead at 28 consistently for about 8 years
Those dudes abused every drug.
@@govegan92 There are countless pro wrestlers from the 80s, 90s and even early 2000s who died prematurely because of substance abuse. And the ones who are still alive look 20 years older than they are. There are some really fucked up stories, and roids are for sure one of the main reasons.
Did we forget what happened in the Vitor v Bisping fight?
It’s individual not by country, legitimately one of the first things mentioned in the podcast, just have someone listen to it and give y’all bullet points so you can at least know everything. I mean y’all really didn’t know anything besides those clips, cmon guys, I expect y’all to be better than this
“Wasted on officials” clearly did not mean the judges and referees. They were talking about the IOC who has thousands of employees that and corruption at the highest level.
The day steroids get legalized on Pro MMA is the day I tune out of this circus.
No, it isn't-- it's the day you'll start watching more than ever.
@j.menapace625 youre on that good good
@@justina7794 Steroids are everywhere in professional sports and MMA is certainly no exception. Pretending to be so morally superior as to be above that kind of nonsense is just lying to yourself and to everyone around you.
My favourite part is when the dude is talking about how underpaid Olympic athletes are and the UFC's biggest poster boy is sitting there agreeing with him as he drowns in irony.
How is it ironic?
@@j.menapace625 You can also argue that the UFC pays fighters a low percentage of their earnings.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD It's entirely possible for a UFC guy to think that Olympic athletes get an even shittier deal than UFC fighters do. Saying that it's "ironic" for the "UFC's biggest poster boy" to be saying that implies that he's too stupid to know that he and his colleagues are being underpaid, which is EXTREMELY condescending.
Brazil be like -"who cares, lol 😂"
MMA has gone from "which martial art is best?" to "who can afford the best drugs?"
So it's become like every other professional sport? I agree.
Uhhh, no. Do you know literally nothing about the entire history of MMA?
Athletes won’t be representing countries at the enhanced games. They’re just participants in the event.
Dana literally canned USADA for Conor. Otherwise they know he'll never pass another drug test again for the rest of his life lol
They replaced usada with another drug testing agency that does most major sports & McGregor has been tested more than anyone else this yr.
@@aisforannihilation1662the company they replaced them with tests much less than Usada and Vada. They also have much lighter rules. I saw a post where drug testing in the sport has gone down 42 percent.
I think the rate is a lot higher then 6%. I work in the construction industry and almost5 half the people I meet have or are on some form of steroids. It makes sense if you work a physical labor job, it makes the job a lot easier. This also isn't the 80s and steroids have come a long way. More importantly we now properly understand remission and old tropes of a shrinking penis or losing your ability to produce testosterone normally are things of the past.
They keep talking about the athletes moving on and going somewhere else after their stint in the steriod league but the whole goal of the league is to pay the athletes enough to where they don't have to leave the sport.
Floyd Mayweather continued on after the Olympics to make money. If the Olympics paid him enough money every year you know what, he'd box in the Olympics every year.
I don't think he could pull it off. Mosty due to the fact that Olympics are organized every four years.
The issue is that some fighters will steroids to get ahead, so other fighters follow to keep up, then some fighters use even more steroids to get ahead again, then the other fighters follow again, and this keeps going and going until it becomes dangerous.
Hot take guess
The gamble might be that they will have all these athletes juiced to the gills, and then they perform as good as or WORSE than the the "clean" athletes, and that will create a whole heap of "hey wait, why are the openly drug taking athletes not catchig up, performing as good as or better than the clean athletes?" Followed with a distrust campaign for other sport codes to slowly tear up the market by visually being the only "honest" league
My issue is what happens to fighters on steriods with losing streaks and they get cut, it would be hard for them just to jump to another fighting league.
Tom running with the steroid joke was hilarious.
Olympics are not free to attend though that would be sick. Some of the popular events can have extremely expensive tickets.
Liver king reported he spent 100k per year on roids. It becomes even more about who has more money to win. It also sets a precedent for kids coming up to need roids to compete. There is no such thing as doing steroids safely, all those upsides don't come for free.
It's funny listening to 4 guys who couldn't run 100m if a Tiger was chasing them talk about topics like this. They misinterpret almost everything related to what they are discussing. Still makes for an entertaining RUclips video so I guess that's a W.
Damn my IQ just decresed by 10 ponits listening to these guys.
4 dudes who should all be on trt! Lol mma on soy
@@AJproductionsfulthey’re not that dumb, lol.
Dude find a different podcast MMA on Point is awesome if your not a fan what are you doing here?
@@CaptainClark23 video games will make you dumb
It really seems like none of them actually listened to the podcast with the Enhanced Games. Pretty much every question they had was answered by the enhanced games guys in the pod. I love this channel but this seemed like a lazy video.
I would agree that athletes can take PEDs that are working to recover from big injuries like broken bones, torn ligaments, and so on.
Peptides are the heat nowadays.
Imagine, Cody Garbrandt can recover 100% from his torn shoulder and compete. Anderson Silva, Tony Ferguson. All these big names in combat sports, fully recovered from their injuries and can compete back just like nothing ever happened.
Prime Overeem, or Ubereem competing in Heavyweight against Prime Brock Lesnar. Rematch. Imagine the PPV money 💰💰💰. Ngannou's a natural right? Imagine him, on Overeem's "supplements". TRT Vitor, smashing through the Middleweight division.
It's all fun and games until someone get's Michael Bispinged again
It's a great idea. Everyone needs to get off their moral high horses. We already found out from baseball 30 years ago that rich athletes pay chemists tons of 💰for proprietary anabolics formulas with compounds that are not tested for. The only way to make it a genuinely level playing field is to allow anabolics.
Personally i think they should just all be legalized in mma... 75k and a good name and you can get some custom shit made.
I know one isnt supposed to speak on it but look at the bulk of Russian fighters... just sayin
The only thing that makes sense about this is that it is a “loss leader” to try to normalize use in all leagues. There is no way is going to pan out the way they think it will.
Think about it… they only test for steroids after an event so there has been nothing in history to prevent someone from riding themselves out and running a sub nine second 100 m if it were possible. If someone could throw a 200 foot shotput roofed out. they would’ve already done it for the clout and tested dirty afterwards.
As a 15 year old aspiring mma fighter, i don’t want to have to take steroids just to be able to compete with others in my weight class and sacrifice all the side effects that come with taking gear. This idea of roided up mma is pretty damn scary to me.
Oh well. Be Good or Be Good At It. Steroids are a part of the sport. Those Hall of Famers who were fighting before you were even born were juiced to the GILLS and laid the foundation of the sport.
Uh, so don’t fight in a roid league. Simple as.
@@SnailHatan yea but with the ufc USADA partnership ending it looks like even the ufc could have roids eventually
you're already going in there to get hit multiple times in the head, body and legs anyway
but yeah it's your choice too if you don't like the side effects
@@OliverOils yea but y add shrinked up balls and shit into the mix with roids
I would rather have a well thought out editorial video that this random round table discussion of opinions.
They’ve already done that before can’t remember the name but it’s on the channel
They clip Rogan's interview but clearly didn't watch it.
Luke had me laughing so hard at the end.
I remember Ben Johnson winning the gold 100m sprint at the 1988 Seoul Olympics and thinking (to this day) that was one of the most incredible things I have seen. He smoked Carl Lewis like he was a high school sprinter. Sure it was right and fair he was stripped of the medal, but it always made me think, what if?
The fear of such a league/enablement, is Chris Benoit.
In the uk there’s organised running races where you get booze every couple miles. Everyone’s pished by the end.
Yes, PED use is common despite being against the rules, but I think the athletes and their management limit it to what they feel they can get away with... I think the ones who win these 'enhanced' events won't necessarily be the best in any sense, just the ones most willing to risk their health and even life to win.
How much are tickets to the Paris Olympics?
This all depends on which event and how many tickets you wish to purchase.
Single ticket prices for the games range from $40 (€24) to more than $1500 (€950).
Tickets for the Opening and Closing Ceremonies start at $150 (or €90).
More than one million tickets will be available for $40, with nearly 50 per cent of tickets reserved for the general public priced at less than or around $82 (€50).
Tickets for medal events at the games cost less than or around $165 (€100).
They'll never legalize steroids in a combat sport. I used them in the military because its amazing for recovery and stamina. Especially if you want to be more than a regular soldier. But they'll never allow it in combat sports. I use trt now and its wonderful for men over 40. Trt is very safe if managed and monitored by a doctor. Trt was legal in the UFC, but then people started cheating and taking full on growth hormone. It will never happen again.
SNL predicted this in 1988 with a skit titled The All-Drug Olympics.
Guys - you can have a PhD and be a doctor but not a medical doctor. Also Olympics tickets are scaled up, I think London 2012 lowest were around £20, increasing significantly for better seats for high demand events (athletics finals sessions, swimming finals, cycling finals) - just a heads up.
This is all to keep their stars from getting sideling with long suspensions. It has nothing to do with safety, fairness or fighter health.
Imagine they do this and after 5 events no world records are broken. The question then would be is the Olympics actually clean?
All because USADA wouldn’t let Dana make an exception for his little pet McGregor
First thing I do when I open RUclips is check if MMA ON POINT dropped a new video 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
We've seen what's coming then back in the Pride FC days.
I lnow it’s becoming more prevalent to not care if people are on steroids but i cant help the only one who doesn’t want my favorite fighters dying of exploded heart before they’re 60
"Not paying money to the officials"
He means the country's or the Olympic officials. Basically talking about all the bribe money.
Once again you guys missed the mark. Without Tommy the vids are near unwatchable, missed the whole point of the enhanced folks coming on Joes pod, Olympics are already clearly dirty and have been since the beginning. The enhanced guys are just trying to put more modern science and research behind steroids
If your goal is to quickly get mma outlawed in the US, then by all means start pumping everyone up with steroids.
Gable Steveson didn't just leave WWE, he was released because he sucked. Made 0 progress in all his time training. His brother isn't too bad. Still rough around the edges, but miles ahead of where Gable was
I really hope they get back to regulating it heavier. I’m an MMA guy that looks like he’s on steroids (I’m not) but I’ve been getting those strange looks since my senior year in Highschool. I want to go to the highest levels of MMA naturally to prove that you can. I really think genetics and prepubescent intense exercise makes a world of difference. Happy you guys are bringing this issue up but I always get a little pit in my stomach when steroids are discussed.
so basically, if you took steroids you'd take over the world. People who have good natural genetics have an even bigger incentive to take drugs, because you'd just eat everyone alive.
Another issue with performance enhancers are they can have severe health issues, both physically and mentally.
Roid rage isn't a joke it's a real thing and people on steroids often have compromised immune functions.
There's no evidence "roid rage" is a "real thing".
@@BiggieTrismegistusur braindead
@@BiggieTrismegistusthere is research all the way back from 1990s onwards that proves that "roid rage" is a "real thing".
I don't see how getting a bunch of athletes on roids to compete with one another could possibly go wrong for anyone involved while benefitting outside interests who don't actually have to compete. Seems totally legit.
It would be really interesting to see if this goes through, how much it would different than the rest of the other leagues/ organizations.
If there’s not much of a difference in outcomes - we finally may know the answer if all these top professionals are on PEDs
Who doesn’t want to see someone run the 100m in 3.24 second and do a 18m high jump! Sign me up for that !
I think there's a misconception about roids as well in this conversation you can take roids all you want but if you don't train and eat well you're still not going to gain anything. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
It's hilarious people think that fighters on steroids want to fight other people on steroids. The whole point is the unfair advantage.
I'll stop watching ufc if this goes through. This is horrible
Beefor Belfort: I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
Well strike one is this guys bio. He absolutely did not “lead Thiel’s successful litigatin” not even sure how he thinks he can get away with that . Famously Thiel hired Skadden Arps and Charles Harder. Aron’s not even a lawyer. But by all accounts the schemer who was involved with the original idea for Thiel to pursue the action. Strike 2 is calling himself Dr formally in a byline. No one does that unless you’re an MD/equivalent. That’s beyond cringe. Idk why he’s so comfortable risking athletes careers - with what money? He’s in a lawsuit filed against former business partners to get paid out of Sargon. Yeah no thanks
Strike 3 is how dumb the “enhanced Games” concept is. It’s an impossible level of absolute idiocy for track which is all I can speak to. Firstly as you rightfully call out , the average Olympiad’s salary isn’t the issue. It’s performance based. Steroids doesn’t solve the lack of funding and exposure issue in track. And if the goal is.. what… run better times ? That won’t make ppl watch more haha they can’t take these drugs at the events where they are paid their real money. And they are tested out of competition too. So you’re asking them to forfeit their right to be an Olympian for a concept that will likely fold after a few years. Unless world championships and Olympic Games allow steroids, which is never officially going to happen, this is the worst thing a track athlete can do. I would imagine many elements apply for combat sports too.
He meant that if they start doing steroids, it would be a lot more fun to watch because it would be more action packed and they would do greater things so people would start watching it more and then they would start being able to make more money
The human body was not meant to endure the punishment of combat sports. If we have medical technology to overcome this i don’t see the issue
Dr Rogan ... Same dude who said bare knuckle was safer for years. Clearly hadn't seen many bare knuckle fights. 😅
They should’ve brought up what about athletes who aren’t on steroids, are they allowed to compete. Look at the rotolo brothers and mikey musumeci. They are considered one of the best in the world without it.
Ive been a huge supporter of PEDs. I want to see how fast, strong, jump, throw, humans can be. I want to see a shaper athlete. A hyper focused athlete.
Ask Bisping what he thinks of it
you guys didn’t really to much research into Olympian pay because most of what you guys said was wrong
We're about to enter a new era😂
Tell kids what steroids youre on i am sure the rate of teens using steroids wont skyrocket or anything. Everything those dr lawyers whatever they are said is ridiculously naive.
Pride fighterd was the proof everyone said pride was better then they came and fought in UFC with testing most got smaller by a large margin and most got smashed.
Crocop
Wanderli
Rampage
Henderson
Shogun
Herring
Fedor not in ufc but lost to matt lindland, etc
Hunt
Overeem
Etc etc etc
Called this when everyone was celebrating the UFC getting rid of USADA. Joe Rogan and anyone who thinks taking roids is better for a fighter’s health is a moron.
Legalizing it is more fair in the sense that it forces every fighter to go on roids and fuck up their post-career health.
@13:25 - That's an interesting argument to make, especially considering the US is well known for pumping hormones into it's food stock animals, which are illegal basically everwhere else in the world. Iirc, a study in the 2000's found that there had been significant changes to the anatomy of young children in the US because of it. So you could argue America has already been juicing kids since about the 1990's, it just used hormone treatment instead of Anabolics....and considering America has basically dominated the Olympics since that fact, is there even an argument (in America) to make against other forms of chemical enhancement?
No need. Just chicken and rice. And sometimes broccoli
Horse beef.
I bet bisping is seething.
I think it'll be really funny if they do this for the Olympics and the results don't actually change because they're all already on steroids
2 leagues - roided and not. The roided GOAT - Jones. Non-roided - St. Pierre?
Lets fucking go. The return of Ubereem.
They’re just need to be 2 divisions. One were juicing is allowed and one isn’t
The US got men competing against women ...give me trt Belfort and Bisping is classic on my eyes
Rogan said they will be safer because they can take more damage.
It's gonna take alot of wind out of the Olympic sails when a guy one foot hops over 50 feet
Can’t wait to see Derek from More Plates More Dates take on this lol