Is It Worth It To Buy A Raspberry Pi 4 Starter Kit For RETRO Emulation In 2023?
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Pi 4 supply constraints should be getting better... prices have gotten better but is now the time to buy a Pi 4?
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Starting messing wirh my Pi 3 again last year, amd got it to do some amazing things with my MAME cabinet, including direct silent booting to a specific game, giving the appearance of an actual JAMMA board inside.
Definitely buying a Pi 4 next pay day with the price drops
It's no longer a viable option, the pricing for a full setup is not cheap and with a bit more you can get a cheap mini pc that would blow the pi out of the water.
You're right, the Pi is best for specific projects. Like I wanted a Neo Geo AES Mini but SNK never made one. So I made one with a Pi3 and a Neo Geo X dock. Does it make sense? No not really but it looks cool! 🤣There's a ton of really cool things you can do with a Pi and that's where it primarily shines.
I just got a Le Potato setup for slightly less than $60. Let's hope I can get the RetroPie image running on it.
@@oblivieon1567I'm interested in where did you find neogeo controllers, I had a PS2 neogeo pad but lost it to moving damage
@@Darkmetamorphosis1 I use USB Neo Geo x sticks. I bought them eons ago when Amazon had them for $30. For pads I use the PS3 PDP Versus fighting pads that have the clicky stick. Those are USB and you can still get them cheap. But you have to clean the gooey rubber coating when you get them.
@@oblivieon1567neogeo aes mini... You know, you just made me wished I had a 3d printer, because I'd totally make one with a pi inside, I'd make a nice build to it too.
I have a dedicated Pi 4 that I use as my Dreamcast. I love it! **I was able to get mine before the price gouging. I think I paid 90 for the full kit, including case.
I just convinced my dad to order one today only cost £108,full set and it was 8gb pi 4 model b,so not too bad.
I got a Pi4 during the craze. I was excited about being able to run different systems. What I noticed with downloading custom builds is I would continually get start4.elf not compatible error messages. It became work just to get the image to boot up. Finally gave up on it. I hope they fix that in the next version. Pi3 was an absolute dream. Everything worked. Most you had to worry about was shrinking an image to fit a card
Also sd cards can be corrupt easily. But good for what it is. My broken screen formally 700.00 laptop had better performance. Could make it a mini computer somehow has a power delivery usbc input that still works.
Great video. Agreed with you on all the points. Brought 3 Pi 4 4GB before Covid started for about $70 each at Amazon. At one point it was over $200 just for one due to chip shortage. It is a great little device for retro emulation but at that price point just too much.
Nice that the price is coming down but it needs to come down more. And yes the kit should be cheaper not more expensive than buying separately.
£35 today in UK, managed to buy some ! Forget about Amazon
i converted a 1up barcade galaxian to a pi3 retropie 2 years ago. I have had no need for an upgrade considering i use it for 80s arcades and consoles. barcade, parts and upgrades less than $200. it's a sweet spot, and i love it.
Bought Pi's for awhile until they skyrocketed in price. Went with a mini PC for my main emulation now.
$352 Canadian Amazon lol. Luckily I got two before all the chip shortage bs.also yay for Mister 😃.love the videos.
Depends on price you can get it for and what you want out of it. Personally I prefer PC for my emulation, but see the benefits of a pi. Especially with portability and power draw.
£35 today ;) UK
I started my emulation journey with Raspberry Pis too. But these days, you are better off with a mini PC. Load up CoinOps and you are good to go!
Or Batocera
I bought one fully setup from a Facebook group, and it's fantastic! Fully optimized and no crashing or bs. It wasn't cheap, but it's rock solid and has everything, including translated games on the HD and comes with an XBox controller. Easy Peasy and really, more games than you're life could ever handle. No repeats like the cheaper ones I've bought and this fellow has.
What group is this ? I want something plug and play to play retro arcade games
Yeah, I wanna know too lol
Back in the Raspberry Pi 3b+ days, the Pi was an awesome device for emulation compared to what you could get back then (or even the early Pi4 days.) Now days you could get one of the other slews of single board computers, one of the different android boxes, a mini pc (the best option for something new) or a used laptop for a better price to performance.
You are right. Those guys didn't understand the concept of bundle.
I guess that company that is selling that Pi 4 doesn't believe in the more you buy the better the discount you get. They are just really charging you for convenience of setup.
I have a Pi4 I bought on the cheap. 8gb is pretty capable. I bought a metal case with a fan, and it's not given me any problems, outside of having to tweak a few emulators. But that's ok... I'll let all the people say "I wish that would be ported to the Switch" continue to own me in $300 sadness.
This is super funny! I just bought one today thinking the same thing!
What happened to the Pi always costing $35? That's how much my Pi3 was.
I have the same question. You are not touching any version of pi for that.
@@thepolacek and the Pi Zero was like $20 I think.
@@jeremy__hopkins man what happened? Those were amazing deals. God I hope my pi3 never dies. It puts out a 240p composite signal perfectly and all the old games look exactly like I remember them on this sony wega Trinitron.
@@jeremy__hopkins Yeah and I was too stupid to do all the tweaks to the current RetroPie myself to create proper 240p composite signals, so I'm actually using a custom build of RetroPie thats called just CRTPi-RCA v3.0F. Its been abandoned for a few years though. I refuse to let the retropie self update because it breaks things.
When it comes to emulation on the cheap, you can't beat a slim form factor retired office computer if you don't absolutely need the tiny foot print. Even a Sandy Bridge core i3 can stomp all over a Pi 4. If you get a Haswell core i3 or i5 it can run Saturn games at full speed with no issues.
Well... I did get a Pi4 a while back, but these days my Steam Deck is much more enticing for what i wanted to do with the Pi4...
No. I wouldn't go less than a pi 3b+ , and they are ridiculously expensive. I have no idea what happened to them.
$185 for the pi in the video? You can buy a low end pc for that and will work way better.
I have arrived to the world of Raspberry Pi late. I have been trying to get various versions to connect to the internet. Pi Zeros don't load websites and some don't have Wi-Fi. I bought a Zero bundle for £40 from an official supplier but most have been individual purchases. The prices have come down and I got individual items For just over £40. This was from Ebay and Aliexpress; for example I purchased an official case for 89p plus postage. Waiting for Xmas time to buy a PI 4, hopefully the supply situation will get better.
The problem is that by about 200 dollars you can get a mini PC with 16 GB of ram and better specs that a PI 4; more so if you get it without the Windows tax. So honesty unless prices go down to about less that 150 dollars, kit included and free shipping is just not worth it.
I'd say absolutely a Pi 4 is still fantastic for emulation and also, learning, solving problems and gaining knowledge as you go. (If you get bored, plenty of other options for it) If however you just want to play and dont care about the learning part, maybe worth looking elsewhere. Not a fan of that kit however.
I have one and it is fine for what I play (mainly 16 bit).
I think it's time to upgrade to a new sbc that can run mostly everything up to PS3 at least, like the orange pi 5+ I love my raspberry pi 4, I have a nice build on it but seeing both my PS2 and PS3 drives fail within a month of each other, has made me realize that I need to find a solution to keep my library of games available, either a new soc or a PC that can do it all.
You are going to be waiting another probably two years or more if you want solid PS3 emulation bud. Probably another 5 years for SBC emulation. PS3 emulation requires a top of the line PC rig. Talking a 4090 based system. As first party titles are still running pretty bad for the most part. (MGS4, God of war 3/Ascension, Killzone 2, etc) I have a 5950x and a 3080 and I'm still struggling with PS3 emulation.
Yeah Rpi4 was the prom queen for a few years. Rk3588 is a better soc especially for emulation. Ps3 is out of the reach for anything less than a high end pc. GameCube Wii Ps2 even with resolution upscaled to 3x is doable with the 3k3588
@@ezekielrobinson7897 Mind messaging me a link to that chip? Or a link here? (if you need to use symbols to get past the moderation algorithm that's fine.)
Hell even just exactly what it's called and where to look for it would be awesome. (Like a google string or something.) Quite curious about it...
@@xPreatorianx1 I own the Nano pi r6s and the wonderful looking Radxa Rock5b. Both sbc’s are rocking that impressive rk3588 that is quite capable of rendering high end emulators even at 720 p or 1080. I E - ps2 gamecube and Wii. Anything under those emulators are a cake walk for the rk3588. Now full disclosure- the orange pi 5 has same chipset as the two I own but the orange pi is better optimized software wise than the Rock5b. The Nanopi is cool but the I/O is lacking. So the orange pi 5 would be the one I’d recommend.
@@ezekielrobinson7897 Appreciate it bud.
I recently started setting up emulation machines for my friends with Le Potato. It does everything through PS1, and my friends have been having a blast with it.
I love that everyone's argument about the high price of the raspberry pi was that you got such better software and support with the RPi that it was still worth it.
Well, you idiots kept your stuff overpriced for so long that people realized how much more powerful other single board computers were, and now they are getting software and support. The one thing you guys had to offer, and you blew it.
My Le Potato is equivalent to a RPi 3, and I paid $35 or $45? I can build the WHOLE device with a case, memory and power cord for $80.
These are tinker toys that are ALSO useful in enterprise applications. You posh folks over at RPi forgot that.
At first, i want to build a retropie machine using Raspberry Pi, but in my country (indonesia), Raspberry Pi prices are too expensive, it's like $150 - $200, i ended buy 2nd hand refurbished dell optiplex with i7 2600 (non-K) for less than $100 , SATA SSD, and I install Batocera Linux.
It is an "emulation monster", can handle emulation up-to Dreamcast, PS2, PSP, 3DS, Gamecube, and Wii smoothly, i do try PS3 (RCPSX 3) but the gameplay is sluggish so just forget about it.
Your posting crazy prices, Pi4 in UK £35 today, with 2 Gigs ;) ordered a few today
yeah ok.... I am in the USA and the specific model I am showcasing and talking about just the board is $75, not a crazy price... the actual MSRP set by the Pi Foundation for an 8GB model. The 2GB is $45.. the 4gb $55... So whats the point of saying you bought a 2gb model and what its price is when we are talking about the model with 4 times the ram?
If you can get the pi4 between the prices of $45-$85 and have a preconfigured image it would definitely be worth it. I haven’t seen low prices on a pi4 in over a year. But I do hear prices may drop just not sure if it is true or not. I hope it is.
Yeah, later this year prices should drop.
I feel lucky to have bought a Pi Zero 2W for $15. Now you find even its clones are going for $30
I'm a fan of raspberry pi,but, with the inflated prices you are better off with an old pc thats sitting unused in your basement.
After seeing this, I'd just buy a beelink system for a simple setup! :D
Thanks for this video!
Yeah… I have a 3B+ and thought maybe I’d upgrade due to Amazon prime day and then give my older model to a friend and her kids to play. But dang that’s still a pricy kit. Either way, I definitely need to know where you got your Roms 😂 I’ve been on archive for a lot of Roms but a few of the ones shown, I actually don’t have but they look good.
The only reason I see getting a pi for emulation is for a crt, an Android or Mini PC is usually better otherwise
You can get mini pcs and ex office pcs now for the same price and they are much much better. Pi's were only meant for eduction and they are good for eduction. They were never ever meant to replace anything.
is that one of your first thumbnails? it'd cool to see that! 😄
Thanks for sharing.
Cue angry cease and desist email in 3...2...😂 Thanks for the heads up sir😊
I play retro gams with a raspberry pi zero2, all the components are like 45 euros. I think that is the best you can have
i never ever use my pi4 anymore...and i have atleast 6 of them and many tb images /sd cards for it too.... nowdays just a mini pc/android box or even a retro handheld or steam deck etc is perfect....when dont want to play on pc..
Good for pointing it out, if it came with an arcade build then different.
Probably better off getting an Orange PI since it’s more powerful and less likely to get scalped due to their company having a healthy supply
EarthBound tune in the end HYPE!!!
Target in "Fredneck Merlin" has them in stock occasionally.
Swineapple use to be free too back in the day :3
What software are you running there with the amazing game selection menu please?
I spent 110 bucks for same thing but A retroflag nespi 4 case with fan, power all that. I don't think we'll ever prices like that again. So many people got them cuz it was a alt for shortage. There munch more popular these days cuz of it.
I ordered mine today,full starter kit for 108 pound,British
I have an empty GameCube shell and OG XBOX shell to choose from.I was going to build a Pi4 system in at least one of them but then the pandemic, supply and stupid scalpers hit. It will happen eventually.
What image are you using? it looks really clean.
Hey @madlittlepixel, Appreciate the video but, the link you provided is sold out. Is there another one you'd recommend? (link please) Also, love the controller with the trackball you're using in the video. Where can we get that please? (link please) Thanks in advance...Appreciate your content.
Which do you guys prefer? Rpi 4 or android s905x4 for emulation
I haven't seen any visible differences between my pi4 and my s905x3. I hear the x4 has issues though.
Always wanted a pi for the Dreamcast online but sadly was late to the chip party
I already have a pi, so it’s probably worth it.
too many mini PC and older SFF core I7 PC under that price to even consider an Rpi 4 for emulation. you can even buy a GT 1030 + an old Core I7 4th gen with at least 8 Go of RAM and a 1 To hdd or instead a 500 Go SSD.
The only thing that would make me use an Rpi 4 is a project using the I/O header.
I remember i got Pi 3 for $20 before covid.
Which is the best system or console to get like the one you have with the joystick. Mainly interested in play the King Of Fighters games.
Short answer NO!
What emulation build are you using? Looks clean.
What about comparing this against a ~$100-$150 Dell/HP SFF with Batocera?
Rammstein. Nice!
The Pi4 is a bit dated. It would be better to wait.
RPi 3 + composite cable + RGBpi OS + PAL60 hack + crt >>>>>>>>> any mini PC, so stop writing nonsense. Pi is awesome for building mini 16 bit era emulator with awesome composite output in PAL60 mode and beautiful frontend RGBpi OS. Throw there Mini Genesis case and you got cheap, powerful and beautiful setup for gaming on CRT.
no the RPI is the exclusive domain of scalpers
What are yall using for Saturn emulation?
Its hard to recommend one when you can get a Beelink in the $150 range. Watch for Prime day as I got a complete Beelink mini for $97 a few years ago.
Those can't connect to old TVs can they? I hope my Pi3 with composite never dies. Retropie pure 240p signal to a 150lb beast of a tv.
I have p400 and think it’s quite nice because everything at keyboard. Installed Retropie and also used Amiga AGS. However never got my wireless mouse work with latest one. But it’s nice hardware overall.
I think it is not worth it, I bought a raspberry pi3, installed the emulators and games, I was so happy to be able to play all retro games, I did all the installation myself, following some tutorials in RUclips, I even was able to mount a 64 gb usb so I games fitted inside, also was able to connect a Wii note controller using an adapter, so I use a pro control for the Wii.
I don’t use it so often, maybe once a month I play a little bit, most of the games runs perfect. But after 3 years something’s started to happen, while playing a lighting volt icon started to appear in the corner. I researched in internet to see what this means, and if means that the raspberry is not getting enough power, but I am playing snes how can it not get enough power? Also I have the official raspberry power cable. I tried to buy a cellphone cable with more power, and even after using this cable, the lighting icon still appears. Also the snes games sometimes have slowdown. So I started thinking because this small computer is not made for video games, so it’s components very soon gets very old. So in the end I think this same thing will happen with the new raspberry, so I think is not worth it.
What is the OS name installed in this Respberry device and does it support nested virtualization ?
I have right now a raspberry pi 3 and even it was annoying to setup so dont know if the 4 is worth it ,with the specs has now maybe but doesnt seem good enough yet
I like this emulation system. Is it Emuelec? Is there any link to it?
£55 for pi4
£12 for case
Already have hdd and cables
So yeah its still perfect
For me the answer would have to be no. Not at the Pi 4 starter kit prices. Playstation emulation is very subpar on the Pi 4. Using just about any filter to smooth out the graphics a bit cause the Pi 4 to choke out to a non playable state. On the Dreamcast side its pretty much the same thing. PSP is about the only system you can play and get decent game play out of it all on the higher end consoles. Most all of the old systems work well. Well with the exception of Sega Saturn. It chugs and looks pretty bad over all. Dont even try to apply any filters. The Pi 4 just is not worth it for emulation outside of things SNES and below. With the exception of PSP. You can make a pretty good PSP emulation system from it. When I look at the current pricing for these starter kits it would be better to just get the Pi 5. Which has many of the same issues unfortunately. Why bother with a Pi for emulation when a nice mini pc around same price range will do far more?
Have the retroflag NES case for my pi4 I got a couple years ago before the stock issues
If you're only going off price, then a $20 android box can run the same emulators
Geekom or this.. I mean Geek is cheaper and free shipping. Beautiful machine.
Anyone know the best way to play split screen Gameboy 2 player. For a medium tech savvy person.
I have an odroid xu4 and a beelink. Both are far superior options . Pi4 is not powerful enough to emulate about the Dreamcast .
If I am after playing sega CD games is this fine? If I move up to say PS2 will this work? is Pie or mini PC better for either question I had. Thanks
No it's not.
Go for an orange pie instead
Hell no.. get a mini pc much better deal
How is it with MVC2 and Dreamcast?
Yeah… I don’t get the markup. The Pi4 itself… I get it, there really isn’t much profit to be made on that, but all the other things there is a 50%+ profit margin. The kit them just tacks more money on that.
Makes me think of QVC. They would have something you wanted but couldn’t find anywhere… say a Nintendo Wii near launch. They would charge you retail but then force you to buy high markup items to make you FEEL like you weren’t being worked over.
Hey… if they can sell it all for that much, good for them… but their competition is China, who will sell you a fully put together system for less than half that… and while their images are loaded with dupes and things that don’t work, it’s still half the price and it’s plenty good enough.
I'm thinking about getting a raspberry pi 4 but I want to know how smoothly Sly 1 2 3 run with the FPS framerate!?
Keeping it real
I love them, but you still have to sell organs to get a Pi 4.
Are the games already on the pi ?
Time for the reaspberry pi 5 :)
I just want to run Dreamcast games what should I get and can someone build it for me because I’m not tech savvy
So outside of price would this starter kit be good choice?
Two words: Pi 5
What is the best system this can play in terms of power, can it do n64
What built is running on this here ?
yes i have one
Odroid > raspberry....well pretty much all the sbc makers are better. But you don't get the amazing cases as you do with a raspberry pi
Yes.
Can anyone recommend a decent mini pc for emulation.?
rammstein tat I saw it
No
Do you really need an 8gb model for emulation? I thought that the 4gb unit was good enough
Yeah 4gb option is fine.
I have found 2GB to be absolutely fine if only Emulating.
what is that game at 0:20
samurai showdown 1
thanks
Hell no