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What Happened to Gohan in Dragon Ball Z?
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You know I kinda understand him. He got burnt out or something. My dude had to mature at incredible young age, losing his entire childhood fighting sick villains, yet being unbelieveable brave for a 5 year old kid or so. He even lose his dad twice and spent years of his childhood without him. I would love him to be as strong as he can be but... if he doesn't want to have anything to do with fighting I can't blame him.
Bingo
Yep. It's why I remain a Gohan fan even past hte Buu saga. At least he's more worthwhile than Goten and Kid Trunks who got Super Saiyan without earning it and haven't done anything since.
Except now he has a family. He can't rely on Goku and Vegeta to save his ass all the time. I always thought of Gohan as someone who could have been the anime Peter Parker. He has a responsibility to his family and himself to get stronger now.
@@DreamsTuber being a family man I would pressume that it is his chance to have a normal, more human life. But at the end he does get back to training after finding out universe 7 is at risk and by extention his family. Let's see íf he keeps on that path that you are saying or not...
Cinematic Galaxy they don’t even train. I’d like to see Whis pick them up as a project. Then sow that seed for a future arc say 5 years later. The whole time training under Whis. I don’t know Goku is some where else and Vegita vacationing in universe 6. Then parallel this with Gohan training hard as well. At this point maybe Frieza thinks he has a leg up while nobody is around to be greatly surprised. Better yet some how cell returns but secretly fighting in other universes. Maybe hearing about the so called next level. Trains and becomes a GoD killing that universes dude.
Imagine being so ripped you spend seven years doing nothing, grow up, and STILL be ripped. I guess it's that Saiyan DNA.
Man facts. I've take a few years off from training and I went from six pack to fucking hell
So what happened in the gap from BOG to ROF? Such a shame :/ noodle armed barely able to go ssj pathetic :/
@@xwarriorone He got married?
@@xwarriorone he put all of the saiyan DNA into videl lol 😂
I wouldn't say nothing...Smashing Videl is still an exercise.
Dragonball has an irritating habit of creating amazing characters with potential and then making them irrelevant for no reason. They did gohan dirty in the buu saga, but what they did to him in super is an injustice.
That would be Tien, but unlike Gohan he got it worse in the buu saga, held off Cell and Cell Jr in Cell saga. Was cool in the saiyan saga tho and Dragon ball.
U simply dint understand... not bad writing... gohan lost his childhood... even goku had better days... goten had a childhood n thats why chichi assisted him training... gohan was so fucking traumad he had to make that wack saiyaman shit to cope with it all
I can agree gohan not wanting to fight anymore and now that vegeta is on earth let the adults handle goku even told him to live his life and have a happy life on earth but I wish he had kept training as a just in case cause he would of fucked up buu had he trained even if he just maintained he would of been able to beat dabura at least but either had he kept growing he would been able to fight buu off or wait until vegeta and goku got there or hell maybe even fight vegeta with goku then go and get buu
He's back baby! It's true though, Ultimate Gohan was still the strongest at the end of Z minus the whole 10 years later thing which will have to be retconned at this point. Even if it did, Gohan Beast would probably still be the strongest. The ending to DBZ was so terrible to me.
Quality comment, I don't like beast gohan tbh, came out of nowhere to surpass God level power
Gohan is a hybrid and that makes him special but due to lack of training and his attitude towards fighting he change dramatically
He didnt change who he is now is who hes always been. Ss2 Gohan is not the normal gohan, it was a single moment in time where he was pushed beyond his limits. It's like saying ultra instinct goku's personality is goku's real personality and ignoring how hes always acted for the entirety of the show.
@@endofexistence2149 I feel like the way he fights, he doesn't have that anger or excitement part from Goku. I guess he needs to evolve more in the Anime
Supreme Kia already maxed out his potential goo
rip to the mexican voice actor that voiced gohan he will always be a part of my childhood 😥 just fyi for anyone thats interested
RIP Luis Alfonso Mendoza
Nozawa is fantasitic, but Luis will always be my Gohan.
@@gokuskanji dep gracias (descanza en paz)
Dude he just had a badass voice to him. And so much power to his yells. Damn rip.
Rest in peace to Luis and to the Japanese voice actor for Master Roshi
In Wrestling terms, Gohan got struck down by "The Pen", with the Booker being Toriyama and later Toyotaro.
They gave him the Heavyweight Title once against Cell, but then they buried him into being a Jobber. Now he's a Midcarder that can only reach the Intercontinental Title besides a few Non-Title Matches against the Champion at the time, or some Tag Matches with Piccolo.
@@qkellz931 LOL Thanks dude.
@@justlloyd7881 Yeah it is sadly. Haha
So then what can we consider his run against Super Buu?
@@WeBarelySober Falls under the Non-Title Matches with the Champion portion of my Promo. Lol
@@SmaugUKA Lmao I love it man, a family member of mine referred to wrestling and anime as "distant cousins" and I couldn't agree more.
My biggest complaint was always that a kid that literally grew up being trained couldn't maintain the discipline of training and growing stronger. I guess he took what Goku said way too literally about how if he stayed dead then they wouldn't have villians anymore.
@PKD Orion This further proves the point that he has grown up in these situations that you have to be stronger than the villian or else you lose everything. He lost his friends left and right, His father twice, even innocent people, and it seemed that by the time he defeated Cell, that maybe it was drilled into his skull, "Hey, I might be called on one day to save this world" but no. I'm not saying he has to have the Saiyan drive to fight, but that didn't stop Roshi from training, or Tien, or Piccolo. It literally seemed like he was like, "oh, no villians trying to kill us today, I'll train tomorrow." Rinse, repeat, skip 7 years.
Matt Heffelfinger he didn’t have any drive to fight at all. Saiyan or not. He live his days of peace.. in peace. He lived a normal life. That’s completely fair considering his contributions to the world.
@@KCS-ep7tv it's not about a drive to fight, it's the responsibility that he was bestowed with. He was the strongest and he said, "fuck you guys and your faith in me." What would have happened if Goku didn't come back that day for the tournament? Or if Vegeta had died to Cell too? Fat Buu would've destroyed everything.
@@mattheffelfinger6093 Weeeell,DB Kakarott kind awnsered this tread. In Gohan's sparring with Vegeta,Vegeta was sick of Gohan trying to be stronger than his father and said the HE will become stronger than Kakarot and Fight whatever happens to Earth,not Goku's fricking child.
But Yeah,even with that,I see no point to Gohan stopping training with discipline to at LEAST MAINTAIN HIS POWER INCRIASING. He saw that It took He,Vegeta,Trunks(not there anymore) and his father(not there anymore) to takedown One Villain. He should've do his Scholar life,but keep the track on his training routine!
It was _because_ he trained as a kid and was forced to fight all the time that probably stops him from training now.
Think of it as a form of PTSD: would you train at all if any time you threw a punch, you are reminded of all of your friends being murdered one by one, your dad getting his ribs shattered by a giant monster, and you being tortured and slowly killed by another monster in space?
The mentality of "he trained as a kid, so he should train now" is unbelievably selfish. It's like if an underperforming boxer was revealed to have been heavily abused as a kid, and people just say "well he is used to being hit, so why can't he take hits now?"
And no, Gohan isn't the only defender of Earth, and has never been since his birth. Every time a villain has appeared, either Goku or Vegeta(or both) have always been available to fight them.
I am rewatching the old DBZ dub with all the filler and I LOVE it. All the little extra scenes are so much for fans like me who grew up on the insanely edited down versions. It is like I'm reliving middle school.
the dub is awful though
@@Geekdom101 bruh let him enjoy, why you gotta ruin something for him that he clearly enjoys?
@@thedoctor3528 fr dude
@@Geekdom101 dude shut up
The sub is awful @@Geekdom101
But fighting never was Gohan´s favourite thing to do. He did it in the cell saga because he had to. So it seems natural to me, that he didn´t train and got weaker. To say someone should have convinced him to train sounds wrong to me. For him to do something he doesn´t like that much.
Realistically there should of been a balance between Chi Chi pressuring Gohan to settle down and study, and Piccolo being a mentor and pressuring Gohan to keep training.
Piccolo isn't a push-over like Goku was. In the build up to the Saiyans Piccolo kidnapped Gohan and forced him to survive and train for a entire year. It makes no sense Piccolo would just stand by and let Gohan go soft.
So there definitely should of been a ying yang, a back and forth balance in Gohan's life between Chi Chi's lecturing and Piccolo's mentoring. Especially with Goku gone. Goku was the only one that ever usually tried to get Gohan out of the house. Chi Chi literally wants Gohan to have his nose in the books from morning to bed every day.
@@justinlynch3 Wasnt it piccolo that went off on goku about Gohan being passive? If anyone would let him go soft it would be him.
@@aurielkudo9595 The thing is,Gohan should've take the responsability of Earth's Protector along side Vegeta. They're the Strongests there,Piccolo does not have Transformations to gain their realms of power. At least make Training his job and keep his Schoolar Life. He was already ahead in terms of studies,so for real: He did not take the path the he needed.
@@DragonNarutoEleven1 It may have not been the right path, but defenitly in character. I always saw his arc as "I dont want to fight but no one else can get this done". So no one to fight = no training.
@@aurielkudo9595 Piccolo went off on Goku, because that moron *needlessly forced* Gohan into having to fight Cell *and* gave Cell as sensu bean to not only be at 100%, but be *stronger* than he was when Goku fought him.
After the Cell fight, Gohan seemed to actually accept the mantle his father left behind. So, when he got so weak during the Buu arc, it was baffling to say the least.
“Fight you? Nah, I wanna kill you” Most badass quote from gohan IMO
Nah "Gohan smashes feminine alien, Gohan strongest there is" is the best quote in my opinion
And he had the potential to kill buu with one kameha just like with cell but that power he had made him very confident like piccolo said on super he lowered his defense thinking he had the fight already won until buu absorbs gotenks and beats the crap out of gohan
It lasted for a few minutes, then he got cocky and let Super Buu plot the absorption.
From everything that has happened I fell like that statement fits future trunks more
@@mlo009 When Gohan the intellectual got outplayed by Buu the dimwitt.
Gohan really could have been great throughout the series 😭😭
He still can
Yeah Gohan can still be great if he take his power serious when Dragon Ball Super Returns later on in the Future
literally the 1st Volume of DBZ Bulma ask Gohan what he wants to be. The first thing Gohan says is he wants to be a scholar. Nothing happen to Gohan character. This is what his character was meant to be from the get go
I blame the anime for downplaying that.
That's something his mother told him he must be
@@MalamIbnMalam nope. Gohan said that before chi-chi was even reintroduce in DBZ . Gohan saying scholar is actually the first thing he says in the entire series.
@@qarcon3247 No, that is what Chichi wants. Seriously, what *toddler* wants to be a *scholar* anyway?!
@@qarcon3247let me refresh your memory. When Gohan was born and was a newborn, Goku wanted to leave some weights in his crib and Chichi furiously said no, he's going to grow up to be a scholar.
“What Happened to Gohan?”
Fans have been asking that question for the past 20 years now, 😆.
Shit longer than that 26 years
Yeah, they're virgins or something 😂
Gohan didnt have that desire to fight
@@joshualowe959 Having a desire to do something and getting it done aren't mutually inclusive.
It's like that scene in Attack on Titan where the dude's like "no one cares what you want. People are dying, so you need to fight"
@@InfernosReaper That's what Future Trunks was FORCED to do. Future Trunks was the only Z fighter left to defend his future timeline. Future Trunks fought all his life and defeated the Androids, Cell, Babidi & Dabura, but his timeline was still destroyed by Zamasu.
Gohan's image training on their way to namek isn't filler it happened in the manga
Dhrubo Roy yup, I don’t know how Geekdom messed that up. It’s like the only thing about the trip to Namek that ISN’T filler
the manga only shows them with their eyes closed. the anime actually shows them image training
@@fitzhugh7463 how does that make a difference
They did image training and even got stronger from it in the manga
@@dhruboroy9784 they did meditate in the ship where they said they image trained but the actual training, where gohan and krillin are fighting in a black void, wasn't shown in the manga it was only shown in anime filler.
Geekdom, you do see Gohan and Krillin image train in the manga - you don’t see the internal fight like in the anime - but you see them meditate opposite one another, breaking a sweat, and the. Bulma literally asks them “are you guys image training?” (Viz Translation)
He’s still traumatized from the Ginyu Force, that’s why he’s always posing.
Gohan is my favorite character especially ultimate gohan tho. I hope he gets a new transformation.
Gohan doesn't need SSG
Gohan is planning to go a different way from goku as pointed out in the manga. So no ssg
@@its_tunezz true he did say he was on the verge of a different path than super saiyan. I really hope they give him more shine tho
@@hermanjohnson9180 you right he is already powerful enough.
...Super Saiyan Purple? Orange? White?
The writers happened to gohan
This is the real answer. They fucking neglected gohan hard. Toyo and toriyama are also to blame for this
The same with goten ,trunks, and piccolo
No gohan never changed, the fanbase changed who gohan was in their own heads. Great saiyaman is exactly who he was going to be from the start. If you want to be mad at anyone blame chi chi for raising a timid nerd that only had one real moment of savagery then went back to normal.
End Of Existence false this is stupid. Gohan could easily kept up w his training and at the same time be a high school student no problem . Toriyama fucked it up period . He wrote Gohan to be an absolute beast but when he realized that it was going to interfere with Goku’s protagonism he nerfed And neglected Gohan in favor of Goku and Vegeta since they were the “safe bet” commercially.
Vonn 215 nah Trunks got his shine in Goku black arc ,. that's more shine than Gohan got in the entire DBS series lol Trunks really surpassed Gohan now lol 🤦🏽♂️
He just got rusty. That makes sense. Goku did kind of hint that Gohan does still have the power in him when he was up against babadi and debura. He just needs to remember how to use it. Which is kind of understandable. He was clearly still strong but after 7 years of no training at all you're gonna be rusty as a fighter even if you're strong. As far as Ultimate Gohan cheating well it's still his power. It wasn't given to him by someone else. Just brought to the surface. That means SSG Goku also cheated against beerus if that's the case lol
I agree completely! The decrease in his power is greatly exaggerated, and his potential and natural gift for fighting kept him strong when he should be getting weaker. It’s more that he has rust, and forgot how to draw out his power. He always needed a push of some kind to draw out his hidden powers, a friend “dying” or something.
Derek Osgood The elder kai gave him that power
@@herculesburgess6773 No he didn't. He brought out the power that was already in him.
@@herculesburgess6773 SSG was given to Goku.
@@derekosgood3230 But still that sort of cheating in a way he could of train for it instead of the elder kai drawing it out his potential
I would've prefered if Gohan's power kept increasing over those 7 years, but his style and mentality became less sharp and polished. So his power would've remained strong but lacked proper discipline. Alas, we got what we got . . .
I’m just saying the supreme Kia maxed out his potential too
Ironically,
Gohan is one of the best characters in FighterZ.
How do Broly, Black and Beerus stand up in that game? I'm assuming Beerus is playable but I might be wrong.
@@ludvigtheholyblade259
Goku Black and Broly(Z and Super versions) are great in the game.
Black is good for assists and has some great moves while both Brolys with proper team members can put on some serious pressure on the opponents.
Beerus on the other hand is a low-mid tier character. He has some good damage numbers but he lacks a lot of good tools and specials.
Can’t tell you how happy I was they finally brought back his untapped powers in Dragon Ball Super.
But Goku / Vegeta still save the day, which is stale. At the very least, it better be Vegeta who ends Moro and not Goku.
@@Gio-ec5pc And ruin the powerscaling even more? Hell no.
That Guy Oh my god the tingly back...I almost lost it when they did that! Lmao
@@Gio-ec5pc Because the ToP arc in the manga was absolute dog-shit.
@@Gio-ec5pc Wasn't just that. The ToP in the Anime you could argue it basically dragged on at times, the Manga well that seemed to have the opposite problem, where things are just rushed.
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Corona kept Gohan inside when he could have been training
As a martial artist I can confirm as I've seen it, muscle memory still exists after 7 years, it's the same as riding a bike, you just remember
I think it's simpler than it really is. You ever stopped working out after 2 weeks? You lose a lot progress; for some, it's like starting from scratch.
Now increase that to *7 years.* From his uncle Raditz until Cell, Gohan knew almost nothing but war. The fact he was still able to transform to SSJ2 at will after the huge time skip is amazing in and of itself.
Because the great saiyaman is truly who Gohan is, not who he was forced to be. Android saga Gohan was forced to become that. Gohan is a passive person & a reactive character. That’s why he’s not really main character material. I think we’ve done to death the story of someone who doesn’t like to fight but oh he has to because of the hidden potential cliche. Saiyans are warriors and the love of fighting is in their blood. That makes them active characters that seek out conflict and struggle. They make the plot happen.
Gohan just isn’t that interesting when you get down to it. A human with some Saiyan ancestry, that’s pretty much what it boils down to. I would prefer to follow Caulifla or Cabba’s development as true Saiyan warriors.
💯💯
You're crazy are typing to implying caulifla or cabba are better characters.
Kesena Ememere I didn’t say they were better characters. I said they are more interesting and that’s a fact. Caulifla loves to continue getting better and to test herself against the best and keep pushing higher. She has that outgoing enthusiastic personality just like in her fight with Goku in the anime. That was fun. She’s fun. Gohan is not fun lol. Every time he fights he looks miserable. If he’s not having fun, how is the audience suppose to. He just doesn’t have that Saiyan instinct, that barbaric desire to test yourself against the greatest opponents.
Cabba is cool too. He kind of wasn’t as fleshed out as Caulifla but I like his vibe with vegeta.
He is a natural fighter,knew that even with all his power,him being the strongest Cell almost Won. He needed to be the scholar and train to maintain his power as Hero. Is not what he did,is what he moraly needed to become.
He have the potential,the ways,the time,the mentality to keep on track with both worlds,and even then : Why the heck he didn't trained between Cell Arc and Buu Arc? It was when he needed the most since he as going to HighSchool and it would be unaware about his time for training and Studies.
He made a dumb choice letting the Earth's Force down to Vegeta mostly.
Doesn't he knew that the guy let Cell Absorb #18 and The Z-Fighters are not on his livel?
By all variables that he as smart he is should've think of: he would be necessary for Earth's Protection.
@@Shawn-363 Gohan most certainly has the Saiyan instinct. He eats like a Saiyan and fights like one. When he fought perfect Cell, he mentioned that he wanted to make him suffer some more.
Pretty simple. He got “Narrative Nurfed”
Exactly right!
Feel like if ssj2 gohan kept training he probably could've beat Kid Buu
I read or viewed that a survey was taken about popularity of dbz characters, and before they decided on moving with Gohan as the main protagonist, the public still saw Goku as the protagonist. So that's what happened. Idk how true this is, but it makes sense.
Exactly
@@victorvaj23 That's not true
You could argue that Gohan was a late bloomer (like Goku, Trunks and Goten) and went through his puberty period a couple of years after the Cell Saga when he had already become weaker from not training after it.
Super Buu: How?! How did you get so strong?!
Gohan: I sat still ALLLL day yesterday.
He got Bamboozled no lie
I like your choice of words. Don't forget words like skedaddle.
@@GeneralGlockasiah yea
Why did he get weaker?
He. Doesn’t. Like. Fighting. And because of that...he didn’t train very much during the 7 years. He got rusty.
How is this such a difficult concept to grasp? And why does everyone like to forget that Gohan doesn’t like fighting?
Gohan being weaker makes perfect sense (to me anyway), and I do not understand why so many people are hung up on this.
They just want him to be Goku 2.0.
I like that aspect of gohan. And people need to see it in his perspective at 5 years old he has almost died and fought aliens
Gohan is like that jock who comes back as a loser at the high school reunion
I mean, he did marry his high school sweetheart
@@kleider1 not really his sweetheart more like his first and only love but she cute and rich so.
Actually, he succeeded in every aspect of life he actually cared about. He only fought out of a sense of obligation and responsability, so its no surprise has fighting skills turned out the way they did.
@@bramderacourt9499 I know but when you take everything the show stands for, fighting, training to be the best, protecting your loved ones and you throw it in the trash by "succeeding" then you're essentially taking a huge L
That's why so many ppl lost respect for Gohan, no one cares that he's doing other things with his life
Whether or not my previous statement made any sense it still sucks that Gohan didn't become the strongest and fell down the ladder again when everyone expected more of him
Even future trunks on DBS got shocked when he sees the current state of Gohan. He cant belived that is the guy who obliterates cell years ago
they were too scared of chi-chi to approach gohan about training. she wants him to STUDY!!
His character development makes sense to me. He never really wanted to fight and is nothing like Goku so it’s nice to see him a family man so obviously he would get weaker because his main priority is his family so he doesn’t have time to train or else he would’ve been super strong
A family man makes sure he is in tip top condition for his family to protect them. And he doesn't have time? Well he most certainly had time before the ToP didn't he?. To say he doesn't have the time? Find it hard to believe.
RaginDXDemon I mean to be a full time father he can’t just train all day. ToP is different because he’s putting full focus on that since their universe is in danger
@@Animedogfingamer No one said to train all day. You think people who workout in real life train all day? Soldiers? No. Some train an hour, 30mins, 45mins, Two hours, half a day etc.
You can't rely on Goku and Vegeta all the time. What if they're not here like the Moro Arc?
Goku train to protect Earth and sacrificed himself against Cell.
Vegeta train to protect Earth and his family and sacrificed himself against Buu.
There's no family to protect if you can't protect it yourself.
@@UnifiedEntity maybe he considers protecting his family is assuring they have a comfortable life? I mean, without Goku around, no bad guys appeared for a while, and Earth still had Vegeta. Plus, Gohan doesn't like fighting, and no regular earthling could step up to Gohan any time, even without training.
It sucks he became weaker, but it also makes sense with his character. I also think it is possible for him to balance out training and his job, as many people do, and would totally get if Gohan isn't as strong as could be if he trained more, but could actually figure in bigger scale fights.
I hate how everyone's like he was robbed of his main character role- when Toriyama stated that he felt Gohan wasn't protagonist material smh
Gohan isnt protagonist material you're right.
@@DDOMINICK yep
Yet he was the actual main character in DBZ first arc to end Cell. Every plot was leading to Gohan in some way. Goku was only there to throw punches with Frieza and help Gohan progress even more. Lets stop kidding ourselves, the reason why most people forget Buu saga is because it felt disconnected to every other DBZ saga. And the reason was simple. He changed the story at that point. It is really, really obvious. Even an amateur writer can see it.
Toriyama Made The Right Choice But Gohan Might Be The Main Character One Day
Yeah but they didn't have to massacre his power?
No enemies around, no expectation of enemies coming around because of Goku's speech to Gohan at the end of the Cell Saga, and time to only devote to his studies to become a scholar.
Gohan losing power was a foregone conclusion. The real confusion, though, is why Gohan got so weak in Super. 7 years of no training, he got weaker, but he was able to match Dabura fairly well. 4 years of no training after getting the massive Ultimate power boost, and suddenly, you're a chump who can't figure into anything.
Trunks1stApprentice
Agh. This. So much this. His character has progressed fine. But he didn’t need to be so weakened. My favorite point for Gohan was actually during the early buu stuff.
Not being able to defeat Dabura, realizing why he can’t, getting the resolve to remember the warrior he can be from his fathers words, putting his all into stopping Babidi and Buu, claiming the Z sword and continuing his training... was all a great trajectory until Toriyama started to kinda spitball things.
@@marsivnayr Which stems from the fact that, by Toriyama's own admission, he was doing whatever he wanted without concern of narrative cohesion.
First he wanted to try Gohan in a Superman setup, then he wanted Goku to come back and be the focus, then Vegeta was the villain, the large magic manchild was the villain, then he wanted Goten and Trunks to be the heroes, then Buu became a twisted Goku in personality, then he wanted Gohan to be the hero again, then Buu became a boring Cell copy, then he wanted Goku and Vegeta to be the main heroes again, then Buu became the embodiment of chaotic evil.
I mean, I'm sure there was a way for Toriyama to make it all come together and seem less like he was dumping ink onto the page and calling it a day. But he didn't. And I say all of this as someone who has the most nostalgia for the Buu Saga.
Trunks1stApprentice
Same here. My favorite moments mostly come from the buu arc. But as soon as Vegeta dies, it starts to fall apart.
It’s too bad. I think Gohan could have been molded to be a great protag, and maybe even alongside Vegeta but it’s true that the dynamic between Goku and Vegeta is far more palatable and popular than Gohan and Vegeta. Unfortuantely is hard to say because we don’t get many Gohan Vegeta moments after the namek arc.
@@marsivnayr I honestly don't think there are a lot of ways Vegeta and Gohan could work. Maybe when Gohan's out of shape, Vegeta takes the Piccolo role and whips Gohan into shape, but that's all I can see. I can't see Vegeta chasing Gohan's coattails with the same burning passion that he chased Goku's. Gohan surpassing Vegeta and killing Cell crushed Vegeta's fighting spirit, and after that, Vegeta was just kind of annoyed at Gohan for not pursuing the path of a fighter.
And may just be because Goku is my favorite character, but I do think that without Goku, Dragon Ball isn't Dragon Ball.
Nothing happened to gohan. He hasn't changed. Never really enjoyed fighting.
Gohan isn't Goku. We're not going to get a long term Goku-ized Gohan. He isn't battle hungry. And most of his buffs haven't been deserved.
Gohan isn't and was never Goku but his reasons for getting strong in the first place isn't as simple as he was forced to. Yes he was forced to but later on he begins to realize that if he doesn't get stronger, he will lose everything. I don't remember if it was filler or not but it still hits home. Perfect example was how and what motivated him to become a Super Saiyan in the first place.
His buffs weren't deserved? Lmao stop it. Funny you say that but nothing about the ass pulls goku and vegeta do to win
@@DreamsTuber What's sad is Gohan was totally willing to rush Cell head-on and fight him even *against Goku's orders* when he sensed Piccolo's ki falling during the Semi-Perfect thing.
_"NO!!! I can't just sit here and do nothing, I'm going down there! Got it!? I'm done waiting!"_
And his line when he was training in the RoSaT, before he went Super Saiyan, _"I've gotta be strong! Everyone's counting on me, I can't let them down! Like against the Saiyans... or the Ginyu Force, or Frieza. Whenever my friends needed me most I was always too weak or too scared to help them. I've been letting them down my whole life!"_
Gohans buffs are not derserved? Please delete your whole comment 😂 because Ultra Instinct (the biggest asspull ever) and SS God we’re sooooo deserved 😂
Jordan Leveritt you’ve gotta admit that potential unleashed is by far the most underserved power up in DB history, all gohan did was LITERALLY sit still for hours while an old man danced around him......and then he became the most powerful unfused character in the show, how is THAT deserved?
So Goku dies, leaves Earth in Gohan's hands and Gohan just stops training altogether?? Naw. Never made sense.
I used to play sports every day as a kid and throughout high school. Once I went to college I was stronger than I was when I was a kid but I stopped playing sports and over time lost the game I once had. Honestly I felt that my high school self could beat me in a game if I went in a time machine. So I know how Gohan felt.
Yeah what geekdom said about growing up makes you stronger is so not true
@@khosta6690 what I think in Dragonball world ki strength and physical strength may be two separate things. That would explain how a child could have more ki strength than adults and why you can lose it if you dont train.
*They downplayed his potential (like many others), so Goku could get the shine.* 💯
@@justlloyd7881 no evidence of that statement
@@justlloyd7881 i thought toriyama likes to prank the viewers by doing the opposite of what they are demanding.
@@justlloyd7881
It used to be like that
Toriyama used to hate Vegeta but then started to really like him after all those years.
So no he wouldn't right Vegeta off in anyway.
Toriyama had a plan for Gohan. Those plans ultimately didn’t work out like he thought it would. So I guess Toriyama just couldn’t figure out what to do with him so he just relegated him to being another generic fighter.
Kinda insulting since he was intended to be THE main fighter, and now he’s just...there.
@@CDodger24 that's funny because the reason gohan didnt take over was because of the crybaby goku fans
It’s fine that they write Gohan to do his own thing, because I never could see Gohan as a main character. However, they do need to be consistent with his power. He was a monster in the cell arc, then they diluted him and then made him ultimate Gohan. They diluted him again in super, and then brought him back for the TOP. Inconsistency in his writing is more of an issue than him not being a fighter.
Also, it’s been scientifically proven that muscle memory can stick with you for the rest of if not the majority of your life, depending on how long you’ve trained.
QUEENDOM lolx exactly, that’s also the case in the garlic jr movie, though idk if that follows the main continuity
@@mightymurph3949 Yeah they definitely need to be consistent with Gohan, it's irritating
Sorry folks, this is clearly a "use it or lose it" scenario. Yes he's still hella strong, yes he can still tap into his transformations, but while practice makes perfect negligence breeds decay.
Major Facts!!
Has it ever been covered how Gohan went SSJ2 in the tournament, but never again in the Buu saga after his energy was drained?
After he got his ultimate form he never needed to go ssj2
Cinnamonstiques right, but after the tournament he made an effort to stop the birth of Buu and only used SSJ form, instead of his most powerful form at the time. I always thought that was weird since he suffered defeat and potentially allowed the end of the world w/o giving his best.
That’s just Gohans habit of holding back all the time
When you talk about gohan relative to piccolo , it's more saying how bad toriyama was at writing than how strong gohan is.
I'll answer the whole video in one sentence: "Because that's how Toriyama wrote it"
Crazy Theory: Hitting the books must've caused transfer his physical strength to his mental one.
I meannnnn thats kinda reasonable
It would be great that him being so smart would translate to him being able to learn to use magic of some sort.
Make SON GOHAN great AGAIN.
He's a pretty great realistic character that a normal person can still relate to. I think what you are asking for is for him to become the strongest which will never happen.
@@endofexistence2149 Not The Stronger but atleast make him Strong as Golden Frieza
Bruh Gohan when he fought cell looked like he was 14
And in all the video games say teen Gohan
I used to hate what they did to gohan But as time went on I understand why they did that. Gohan was never a fighter and he hated fighting unless he was absolutely forced to do so. As much as people hate it it does give gohon his own traits that distinguishes him from his father. And on top of that he’s happy and settled down with a family.
Instead you should ask "What happened to Toriyama?" A person who was once, the hero in the Cell Games, suddenly weakened to a big degree. But when you see Vegeta, he's 'yet' to be a hero here, and even then he continues to become stronger.
Gohan still can have intercourse with half the marvel universe so he will be fine he not the main character anyway 💯
@@quicklyform5162 No one is interesting in Super.
@@UnifiedEntity I prefer DBZ versions of the characters, DBS almost seems like slice of life version of DBZ. I hate how dumb Goku is now, he was actually pretty smart in Z and I liked that, Vegeta has had some good character development accepting training of course, but is used for some cheap laughs at times and the rest of the fighters are irrelevant when in Z they had some great moments. I don't mind where they've gone with the God forms and different Universes but they have done the Characters pretty dirty.
@@danktoasties8488 Vegetas progression seems to wax and wane. One moment he's all damn you kakarot, then he's I'll do it my own way, then damn you kakarot again, I hate to admit it but blah blah blah, like bro be fucking consistent. Still pisses me off how they do the fusion shit as a moment for him to get all uppity and have a fit
He got sidelined for Goku.. like everyone else.
So true everyone gets sidelined for Goku.
@@fanofpink Vegeta is the reason Piccolo was sidelined. As well as Trunks. The more super Saiyan's we got they less the others got to show. Vegeta still remains relevant compared to everyone else. That's his fault not Gokus
Piccolo: Unfortunately you skipped one small detail GOHAN DOESNT LIKE FIGHTING YOU MORRON
I wish the Saiyan's would go on a vacation to Universe 6 and visit Cabba's planet for a year. So they can give Picollo and the other characters an arc where they can elevate their powers for a new enemy.
Hell no
A video I really like about gohan is “the many masks of gohan” it’s a great video on how gohan didn’t really work in how he thinks gohan never was set up to be a super Saiyan 2 just watch it to understand it’s great
I think that's why the Moro arc is so important because we get to see the others fight and hopefully more growth from Gohan.
Sadly no
What makes me wonder is why they constantly show Gohan was in SSJ fighting Dabura. Even in the color manga.
The real question is how he kept his body in shape and ripped like he did without training?
Gohan been eating that soy. He needs ChiChi's cooking.
Just got from the video is to never stop training
This ia cold do more dragon ball mysteries nice theme music. What happen to nimbus and power pole?
Simple answer: Gohan forgot how to achieve his mystic form as well as super saiyan 2.
Gohan’s power level in early Buu saga is not much weaker than his level pre super saiyan 2.
There's one huge factor that you never mentioned: Chichi. Chichi was always opposed to the idea of Gohan becoming a fighter.every time Gohan trained, he only did it because there was some upcoming threat. First the Saiyans, then later the Androids. Goku even said to Chichi at the beginning of the Android saga that after the three years of training, Gohan could spend the rest of his life with his nose in the book. Chichi probably forced Gohan to stop training and focus exclusively on his studies. And without Goku there to push him in the opposite direction, any of Goku's friends who tried to reach Gohan and get him to keep training we're probably rebuffed by chichi.for all we know, he may not even have had contact with any of them during the seven year time skip. I think you really should have mentioned chi chi in this video.
Can you blame her? Her 5 year old son almost died
And you didnt mention how gohan DOES NOT want to be a fighter
Maybe Gohan didn’t get weaker, maybe he just lost his memory in fighting like having a slow start
Yes, he was more rusty than actually weak, the best fighter in the world still has to continue training or they'd stop being the best.....
My argument for how gohan earned his power is you try sitting 10 hours strait with out falling asleep.
I mean, give the guy some slack. Cause people need to remember that a crucial part to Gohan was his humanity and pacifism, that he never wanted to fight. Match that with the overwhelming power he had at such a young age, where nothing on Earth could touch him, nothing from space for 7 years could touch him, like how much power did he really need? Gohan was living the life that he had trained hard to get, where it was peaceful, he could impact society positively through more means than violence. I liken Goku & Vegeta to being hardcore bodybuilders & Gohan just a lean, fit, good looking guy. Like, if that's your thing do it, but otherwise it was unnecessary.
Yeah, I just think DBZ at times has bad writing, as much as I love the show, there are a lot of things that could have been better. I mean, people are gonna argue about it, but I don't even think Toriyama drew Gohan against Dabura correctly IF he intended Gohan to be Super saiyan 2 in that fight. So, if he was Super Saiyan 2, he was still holding his own against Dabura. If Dabura was Super perfect Cell level, then thats not too bad on Gohan's part, and maybe could be explained by him slacking off in mental and physical training to the degree that some of his "potential power" couldn't be easily accessed by Gohan with intense anger like he had to have previously in the serious in those burst rage moments. But if Dabura isn't Super Perfect Cell level and Gohan is SSJ2, then Gohan got way weaker than I would have thought he could by just not training for seven years, considering he grew into a more capable body for fighting and his potential had to grow, regardless of how easily accessed it was considering he was still capable of going to his Super Saiyan 2 state with little struggle at the tournament against a fighter he didn't hate, or wasn't enraged by in order to achieve it. If Gohan was only Super Saiyan against Dabura, then it makes Gohan look good, regardless of how strong Dabura is compared to Super Perfect Cell and means that Gohan really didn't get much weaker at all if any, but only lacked going to his highest level of power... for some odd reason... or that he simply didn't have the anger to access all his power... even though two of his friends were effectively "dead", turned to stone... idk this show has bad writing and fans of it are way more passionate about it than the writers.
He was ssj2 in the Buu arc dude
Gohan is a weak character. Not as in the show, but his arch finished after cell, the only thing for him to do after that was surpass his dad which he has stated himself he has no interest in doing. I like where he is now in super, he's as powerful as he should be, about ssg or slightly higher. That's how powerful he should be. I mean arguably if super or GT never happened he would of ended the series as the most powerful because ultimate gohan was stronger than ssj3 Goku, at least that's what I remember thinking all that time ago, I remember watching Goku and vegeta Vs kid buu and was just like man buus really lucky gohan is dead right now
Actually Gohan and Krillin do do the image training/meditation sessions in the manga too. It's just presented a little differently.
gohan got nerfed
Why is this topic still coming up, it's been discussed thousands of times over the years. You keep going over the same subjects
Out of content
Can we all admit that Super just isn’t cutting compared to DB and DBZ.
Saying that Gohan slacked on training, that's an understatement. After Cell games, Gohan did not have any training ever. Not a single one throughout the 7 years. No wonder he got a lot weaker. Also Gohan cant quite use Super Saiyan 2 form. He did but barely and after that, there were no longer any SSJ2 from Gohan.
I do believe the reason SSJ3 Gotenks din't take the W is probably because then the whole Elder Kai's ritual would be wasted. While Gohan did receive the massive power boost from the ritual, it isn't quite earned. I do have a feeling that Toriyama have felt that too (about the whole power up is not earned thing) so Gohan didn't get the W. (and so the ritual got wasted after all)
Toriyama is quite the impressive writer given how he makes up the story as he goes around and still manages to make quite the fun story of Dragon Ball. However whenever Toriyama makes some (major) changes in his story or change the direction, his story may start to fall apart. For example in Cell arc, Toriyama had to change the villains a couple times because his former editor complained. This did not bode well for the Cell arc.
In the Majin Buu arc, Toriyama have often changed the direction in his story and those changes have resulted the concepts and characters being wasted in this arc.
I would say that Toriyama's writing style din't do him any good in the last two arcs.
I am pretty sure that Geekdom101 did watch the Dragon Ball Dissection. And i am sure of that cause i saw his comments in those videos!
I always felt like gohan would rather be studying than fighting. I always wanted to see him take on more of a Bulma role
He was never relevant and has stayed that way.
Sad but true
Gohan been chasin dem girls bruh, he hit that hormones xD jk
One thing you neglected to speak about Geekdom, Gohan hates fighting. He didn't want to grow up to be a martial artist, he wanted to focus on his studies. He only fought because he felt he had to, or was forced to. I believe the Z-Warriors understood this. The respected Gohan's wishes and didn't beg or make him train. If you think about it, the same thing could be said for Future Gohan too. Why he was so weak despite having 17 years to train for the androids. Android that's Vegeta was able to man-handle with FOUR years of training. Gohan didn't fight out of pure sport or passion, he did it for necessity. And that hampered him really badly.
6:30 I thought that the first time that an energy can be felt from the Other World was when Goku first transformed into a SSJ3?
First
Gohan: “any irresponsible fertile man can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a daddy”
Piccolo: “..... G Gohan...🥺”
Gohan:” I love you daddy!!🥺”
Goku:”aight, I’m outta here weirdos”
Gohan was hooked with rage when he was fighting cell, remember, the scared baby side of him. It’s called plot
A: Gohan was a self insert character which failed (like it should). His power-gains were bs either way.
B: Gohan never wanted to fight either. Good on him that he doesn't. Who the fuck cares about wasted potential. Look at all the child actors, does anyone really want Gohan to break under the pressure set upon him for being the "Universes greatest figher"? Goku can carelessly carry that title and Vegeta takes pride in it. For Gohan, it was never anything more than a curse
Unlike vegeta and goku, Gohan isn’t of the warrior race or mindset. Half-Saiyan sure, but he his power has always peaked in a response to a need. That theme never changed. The only need in 7 years of peace was stopping petty criminals - hence the Great Saiyaman. He trained for that.
Yeah, Look at Trunk and Goten at the End of Z. Their dads had to force them to enter the tournament when they weren't interested in participating. Half Saiyan's just don't have that instinct to want to fight.
He used to be so dope cuz of his ssj 2 hair
Like piccolo said he doesn't crave battle or mayhem, he's not a fighter like him, one thing about hybrid saiyans their human dna weakned their OWN desire for battle and power and aggressive nature which makes pure blood saiyans the dominant ones.
Dang that “don’t slack on your training” at the end hit me hard. Thanx Geekum
How well did this work out for Future Gohan? The real Gohan that was screwed over but gets made fun of by the fandom in forums for dying to the Future Androids.
it's Chi Chi's fault. that should be obvious. she wanted her son to be a scholar, not a fighter.
Didn’t Gohan said he wanted to be a scholar?
So you gonna forget gohan saying he does not like fighting
@@mastersaber9183 he may not like it...but he knows its needed sometimes. he's had the same aversion to chi chi forcing him to study--but even Beerus doesn't dare mess with Chi Chi.
You know this is a nice video and all but are we really forgetting about chichi and what she wanted for Gohan ever since he was a kid?
He peaked!
Everyone saying what happened to Gohan.
But no one ever says what happened to Videl.
Of all the main women in Dragon Ball Super returning from Z, she was unrecognizable.
Well becoming a mother will do that I guess.
Wait geekdom can you do a video on why android 18 doesn’t fight and beat buu even though she has the ability to train and has unlimited stamina ?? Please explain
I hope after dragonball super they bring back the other universes so Gohan can travel to a different universe to get stronger.
Maybe he asked to be left alone he wanted to do his schooling he didn't want to have nothing to do with fighting anymore
Love you're stuff man. Thanks for all the info.
Your dragon ball mysteries intro is beautiful
From childhood Gohan faced a lots of fearsome moments.
His father died,he was beaten very bad,Piccolo trained him ruthlessly so that how his rage tooked him higher & in cell saga he againg seen his father sacrificed his life for his son so those rage & angers kept him up.
But after he joins college he stopped training,going back to a regular life (like people stops going to gym and gains fat) that makes him sloppy & turning into supper saiyan is like a piece of cake as he masterd it like It's for Goten & Tranks.
gohan never wanted to be a fighter its a established point that he fought out of necessity, so logically once that necessity was gone he stopped training or fighting yes gohan is naturally talented and could be a beast but him becoming a scholar isnt too bad in my opinion, it makes sense with his character, only reason people dislike it is because they wanna see cool fights.I get it, we're watching dbz its all about power and that shounen goodness but what happened was really the most natural and logical thing for gohans character.
I am watching this video when Gohan gonna get huge push up in new DBSuper Movie.