@@ericfung5279 That buzzing sound gets rather annoying after a while. I don't mind it but when my girlfriend at the time, who was from the UK flew out to stay with me for a while, we sat in one of the C cars during the long ride from SFO to my city, and when we got off the train she said that the noise made her feel weird. But a few days later we went back to San Francisco and we took the BART to the Embarcadero station, and this time we sat in one of the B cars, and the noise didn't seem to bother her. I've never minded the train noise (noises from motors and other machinery doesn't really bother me unless it's malfunctioning) but I can definitely see why it would bother some people, and BART is rather notorious for being loud. The only noise from the BART trains that kind of bothers me is that "metal-on-metal" sound that gets louder when the train goes over the overpass. It's so loud that I can hear it from my house, and I don't live especially close to the station or the tracks (the nearest station is about 10 minutes away from where I live).
I love seeing how the platform signs and other small things, like the seats, have changed yet the original look of the exterior Bart cars haven’t changed. Besides the fact that they aren’t shiny anymore.
And most of the passengers were everyday commuters traveling to or from work, or tourists going to San Francisco to check it out, as opposed to crackheads.
@@Rubycon99 I haven't ridden BART in several years, and haven't been on any of the new trains. I've wanted to go check it out, but all the incidents I hear about on BART makes me hesitant. I'm glad my dad works from home now; he used to take BART nearly every day to get to work, and we would drop him off at/pick him up from the station. Nowadays I'd worry about him being robbed or attacked while on the train.
@@andrewfutterman3346 I don't know, "your mileage may vary." I ride it frequently and can only remember being truly weirded out maybe 3 or 4 times and never actually felt threatened. I have a pretty high sketch tolerance though :P Actually, funnily enough, most of those instances were down by SFO for some reason, not Fruitvale or Civic Center like you'd expect.
1991, that was only a couple of years after BART introduced the C-type cars (the cars with the operator's cab that do not have an angled aerodynamic nose which allow them to also be used as middle cars). This was also before the original A and B cars were retrofitted with the AC traction motors with IGBT inverters, that's why they now make that whining sound when they start up. The original Westinghouse DC traction motors are still in use on the C cars. I agree the old motors are quieter, though they also make that buzzing sound which can get annoying after a while, nonetheless I will miss both of those sounds once the old BART fleet is retired.
@reshirm yeah same. I used to wonder why some of the cars buzzed and others didn't. The buzzing seemed to overtake the earrape wheelslip and made my ride better. the AC motors just add to it and basically wreaks havoc. Don't know how BART didn't punch itself for that mistake.
@@Uncircuited People say that tornadoes sound like trains. The BART trains with the AC motors sound like a tornado and the tornado warning siren in one package.
@@Uncircuited I think it was because the DC motors were becoming dated and because the A and B cars were being refurbished, they swapped the DC motors out for AC ones. But since the C cars (both C1 and C2) were newer, they didn't bother swapping out the motors (although the motors that were removed from the A and B cars during the refurbishment as spare motors for the C cars). The new BART fleet make a similar squealing sound to the refurbished A and B cars when they start rolling or come to a stop, but it's not nearly as loud. And every technology has its tradeoffs. Vinyl records apparently have better sound quality than digital audio, but only when they're new. Digital audio always sounds the same (unless the file is corrupted) no matter how many times you play it, but it will never sound as good as a vinyl record. Taking this logic to BART, the new motors had more up-to-date technology, but made different sounds than the old ones. Some people think the buzzing sound of the DC motors got annoying after a while, while other people find the noises that the AC motors make to be unsettling.
@@andrewfutterman3346So, assuming I understand you correctly. BART uses third rail 1000 volts DC but its motor is AC. So, why they first put DC electricity instead of AC? By the way, thanks for sharing this! I was expecting the normal BART train sound but I heared a different one. So, you helped me understand why it was a different sound back then.
I'm visiting im 14 from Baltimore and I want to be a fighter pilot but I won't live until I ride this cars and this may be my last time rideing those cars. And I will never forget my first ride on Bart it was cooler the Washington metro. It was so fast I was 7 and I was into trains . I love Bart even if I like the new cars I will never forget my first ride and the noses on the train.
I notice from the old map on the San Francisco side the furthest Bart went south was Daly city no Millbrae South San Francisco and San Francisco airport stops. In the east baby the yellow line only goes to Concord now Bart goes to Pittsburgh bay point
They're being retired Monday. :( Yeah, they're dirty and falling apart, but I'll miss my Syd Mead space age trains. The new ones are fine and have some nice new additions, they're just kinda... ordinary.
BART's rail cars (the same ones are still in use right now) were built by three companies -- Rohr, Alstom, and Morrison-Knudsen. The next-generation cars, which will be 3-car semi-permanent sets, and are due to arrive in 2016-17, are being built by Bombardier.
Back in the 80s as a young kid, i thought the bart train operator was the coolest thing next to a superhero. I figured it had to be one of the coolest jobs in the world.
Nice to see those old destination signs. By the time I started riding BART more regularly most of those signs were either not working or most of the lights were messed up.
The trains have not really changed, the same style has remained, however i believe BART had been brainstorming new ideas for newer fleets, Bart acutally has one of the oldest fleets in the country. I remeber riding on the brown seats and then i remember when the blue seats were beginning to replace the brown seats, at the beginning some cars had brown seats and others had blue. Nevertheless BART is a awsome Train,
The new ones aren't exactly terrible looking , but they just don't look like bart trains. I guess that's the problem with using the same 2 models for over 40 years, nothing else looks right. I wish they could have least given the new trains slanted fronts like the A cars.
My opinion has changed since that post; at least the sides resemble the original design. But yeah, I agree, I do not like the front, it appears somewhat generic to other subway cars.
@@Rubycon99 The slanted fronts didn't allow A cars to be coupled in between cars. Which is why the C cars had flat noses. The new cars have flat noses so they can be coupled in between cars.
*_•reshirm•_* no. That’s a “new” thing to us. That RUclips video imaginox9 posted is what we heard as a kid. Wasn’t a boing, a doing, a ding, a dong, or bong, and I imagine purposely so. It was a very specific sound. The video is the exact sound, but anyone who’s heard it live will tell you that recording just doesn’t do it justice.
@@slowpoke96Z28 there's a relatively new clip where the sound was played on one of the trains, timestamp 7:38 to be exact. ruclips.net/video/c44dx5LsKlw/видео.html
I don’t really like how they had the only ways for checking the destination was the clocks(and on some, a really small sign). The lines don’t really exist either. Until FOTF is in service. They should’ve put a roll sign with every station on bart on it,
@@QuarioQuario54321 I guess if you grew up with it, it was never an issue. By the time I was riding it by myself, I knew. I imagine most locals experienced the same thing.
@@QuarioQuario54321I also agree, but keep in mind that at least 2000s and 2010s BART had train announcements too! So, there was also another way to know. Now, with the fleet of the future there is no issue with that.
@@halomnhh basically, George and Jane (or actually "Gracie" by BART) are the announcement voices that say "Five car, two door train for Fremont now approaching Platform 1" and all that.
Up until a few years ago you could still hear it in the C1 and C2 cars, but now of course they are in the process of decommissioning the Legacy Fleet, and all of the C2 cars have been retired from service (despite being manufactured in the mid-90s, as opposed to the other cars which have been around since the early 70s).
@@andrewfutterman3346 Yeah that's weird considering that the C cars are less than 35 years old, whereas the A and B cars are 45-55 years old (although a lot of them have been retired now). The C cars are the most versatile, they can be a trailing or ending car. Maybe because DC traction is less energy efficient than AC VVVF traction that the A and B cars were retrofitted with, but I doubt that is the main reason.
@@atomstarfireproductions8695 I think there were issues with the doors not opening and closing properly, and the cabin windows were also difficult to open and close (I would often sit in the front car and it seemed like the train operator had to use a special tool to close the window). The new D cars seem to function similarly to the C cars in that they can either serve as leading/trailing cars or be coupled together. But I read that unlike the C cars, you can't walk between the cars. But it looks like they have a door in the center, like the C cars did.
Thats how I remember Bart as a kid not much has changed the cars are still the same The interior looks a little different and the motors were rehabed and they have automated signs that talk
Was that funny that bart trains ran pretty good now they got new trains and all of us and they're having problems they sure left the old ones that the way they were
Telling how for the most corporate-looking interior of any metro fleet that a l l of its cars crazily nauseated you with its godawful piss- and flooded-stinking odours.. .. . .
i scammed the bart on train tickets years ago. would enter with a 1.20 ticket. then exit in sf using my muni pass. then when going home i entered with my muni pass and exit the subway using my 1.20 ticket. did that for a very long time
@reshirm Yeah, the A pass allowed you to travel on BART and Muni as long as you stayed in SF. ngl I feel what billy did was sort of smart. The A pass only works between SF, so if he ever exited the station with an A pass in somewhere like South Hayward, it wouldn't work. I wouldn't call this scamming, I'd call it exploiting an unfortunate situation.
If you exit the same station, does it not charge anything? I guess back then there wasn’t a system to automatically charge full fare when you don’t exit within a certain time. Actually is there a system like that now?
It's amazing listening to how quiet BART was before they rebuilt the Rohr cars with AC propulsion.
Dc Chopper control.
Actually the original DC motors are still in use on the C cars of the Bart train. I usually ride the C cars just for that.
A lovely sound. The sound of my youth lol.
Yeah
@@ericfung5279 That buzzing sound gets rather annoying after a while. I don't mind it but when my girlfriend at the time, who was from the UK flew out to stay with me for a while, we sat in one of the C cars during the long ride from SFO to my city, and when we got off the train she said that the noise made her feel weird. But a few days later we went back to San Francisco and we took the BART to the Embarcadero station, and this time we sat in one of the B cars, and the noise didn't seem to bother her.
I've never minded the train noise (noises from motors and other machinery doesn't really bother me unless it's malfunctioning) but I can definitely see why it would bother some people, and BART is rather notorious for being loud. The only noise from the BART trains that kind of bothers me is that "metal-on-metal" sound that gets louder when the train goes over the overpass. It's so loud that I can hear it from my house, and I don't live especially close to the station or the tracks (the nearest station is about 10 minutes away from where I live).
I love seeing how the platform signs and other small things, like the seats, have changed yet the original look of the exterior Bart cars haven’t changed. Besides the fact that they aren’t shiny anymore.
They added orange lights to all of the fronts and that reduced the size of the windows.
@@Uncircuitedwut
When the BART cars were still shining bright.
I've noticed even the new trains are starting to look trashed already. People are just pigs these days, it's why we can't have nice things.
@@Rubycon99 that's honestly so sad to hear
And most of the passengers were everyday commuters traveling to or from work, or tourists going to San Francisco to check it out, as opposed to crackheads.
@@Rubycon99 I haven't ridden BART in several years, and haven't been on any of the new trains. I've wanted to go check it out, but all the incidents I hear about on BART makes me hesitant.
I'm glad my dad works from home now; he used to take BART nearly every day to get to work, and we would drop him off at/pick him up from the station. Nowadays I'd worry about him being robbed or attacked while on the train.
@@andrewfutterman3346 I don't know, "your mileage may vary." I ride it frequently and can only remember being truly weirded out maybe 3 or 4 times and never actually felt threatened. I have a pretty high sketch tolerance though :P Actually, funnily enough, most of those instances were down by SFO for some reason, not Fruitvale or Civic Center like you'd expect.
5:22 it’s trippy how I always have to transfer here for work and it looks the same 23 years later (I’m 19)
Remember it being shockingly like a living room & smooth as glass.
1991, that was only a couple of years after BART introduced the C-type cars (the cars with the operator's cab that do not have an angled aerodynamic nose which allow them to also be used as middle cars). This was also before the original A and B cars were retrofitted with the AC traction motors with IGBT inverters, that's why they now make that whining sound when they start up. The original Westinghouse DC traction motors are still in use on the C cars. I agree the old motors are quieter, though they also make that buzzing sound which can get annoying after a while, nonetheless I will miss both of those sounds once the old BART fleet is retired.
@reshirm yeah same. I used to wonder why some of the cars buzzed and others didn't. The buzzing seemed to overtake the earrape wheelslip and made my ride better.
the AC motors just add to it and basically wreaks havoc. Don't know how BART didn't punch itself for that mistake.
The propulsion sounds like the breda cars from LA
@@Uncircuited People say that tornadoes sound like trains. The BART trains with the AC motors sound like a tornado and the tornado warning siren in one package.
@@Uncircuited I think it was because the DC motors were becoming dated and because the A and B cars were being refurbished, they swapped the DC motors out for AC ones. But since the C cars (both C1 and C2) were newer, they didn't bother swapping out the motors (although the motors that were removed from the A and B cars during the refurbishment as spare motors for the C cars). The new BART fleet make a similar squealing sound to the refurbished A and B cars when they start rolling or come to a stop, but it's not nearly as loud.
And every technology has its tradeoffs. Vinyl records apparently have better sound quality than digital audio, but only when they're new. Digital audio always sounds the same (unless the file is corrupted) no matter how many times you play it, but it will never sound as good as a vinyl record. Taking this logic to BART, the new motors had more up-to-date technology, but made different sounds than the old ones. Some people think the buzzing sound of the DC motors got annoying after a while, while other people find the noises that the AC motors make to be unsettling.
@@andrewfutterman3346So, assuming I understand you correctly. BART uses third rail 1000 volts DC but its motor is AC. So, why they first put DC electricity instead of AC? By the way, thanks for sharing this! I was expecting the normal BART train sound but I heared a different one. So, you helped me understand why it was a different sound back then.
When I was about eleven and it was my first trip to San Francisco with my mom back in 1994. And it was my first BART subway ride.
I'm visiting im 14 from Baltimore and I want to be a fighter pilot but I won't live until I ride this cars and this may be my last time rideing those cars. And I will never forget my first ride on Bart it was cooler the Washington metro. It was so fast I was 7 and I was into trains . I love Bart even if I like the new cars I will never forget my first ride and the noses on the train.
Then
So you ought to be a senior by now or on the way to college. Are you going to a service academy?
I notice from the old map on the San Francisco side the furthest Bart went south was Daly city no Millbrae South San Francisco and San Francisco airport stops. In the east baby the yellow line only goes to Concord now Bart goes to Pittsburgh bay point
They're being retired Monday. :( Yeah, they're dirty and falling apart, but I'll miss my Syd Mead space age trains. The new ones are fine and have some nice new additions, they're just kinda... ordinary.
This was before the BART trains started to sound like high pitched R142A's
they originally sounded like low pitch wmata 4000 series and unrehabed 3000 series
@@plushynoob3463 yeah, because they had the same Westinghouse chopper control
The dc buzz on the Bart sounds just like the MBTA Kinki Sharyo Type 7s.
This is because they used to use actual tracks, now they use electric rails and that’s why they sound high pitched and I love if
@@collincoolisGOATEDwut
Brown cloth seating, brown carpet flooring, those huge side door pannels. Man I miss all those.
Yeah they got rid of those for sanitation
David Ngo Carpets and cloth seats was always stained up 🤣🤣
@@blount_man it's easier for Bart to clean and cheaper since there were budget cuts to the cleaning crew
@@blount_man www.bart.gov/news/articles/2015/news20150102
BART's rail cars (the same ones are still in use right now) were built by three companies -- Rohr, Alstom, and Morrison-Knudsen. The next-generation cars, which will be 3-car semi-permanent sets, and are due to arrive in 2016-17, are being built by Bombardier.
Back in the 80s as a young kid, i thought the bart train operator was the coolest thing next to a superhero. I figured it had to be one of the coolest jobs in the world.
I miss the sound the trains used to make when speeding up. The new motors on the cars are more whiny.
BART Trains were more quiet before, but now they replaced the motors and wheels which makes it louder than before.
Nice to see those old destination signs. By the time I started riding BART more regularly most of those signs were either not working or most of the lights were messed up.
This is old because it's raining in California.
Mr. X this is old because it is before NAFTA! no Mexicans no Chinese -mostly White- black very few Latinos
Kolin Dunn there were Chinese during this time in California. There were plenty Mexicans and Latinos, just less than today.
Mr. X the Chinese problem in California started in the late seventies -Mexicans have always been around but 90% less in 1990
Long live the legacy fleet!
The C cars were gleaming back then. Quite sad that all these cars are gone from service, but they had worked well past their useful lifespan.
I miss the BOINK door closing chime. It kind of fit with the kitschy futuristic appearance of the carriages.
You know your're getting old when you remember when BART was a brand new transit system just opened up for business
TAKING BART IN THE 90S. GOOD MEMORIES. THANKS
Those were the good old days when California could get rain.
Jonathan Gottlieb and let's not forget about the Chinese
Jonathan Gottlieb what about now ?
You racist disgrace
@@kolindunn6194 racist
It's 2024 and now they won't be running on Bart tracks anymore, retired.
The trains have not really changed, the same style has remained, however i believe BART had been brainstorming new ideas for newer fleets, Bart acutally has one of the oldest fleets in the country. I remeber riding on the brown seats and then i remember when the blue seats were beginning to replace the brown seats, at the beginning some cars had brown seats and others had blue. Nevertheless BART is a awsome Train,
God, how time has passed. I'm gonna miss the old trains, the new designed ones look like shit.
The new ones aren't exactly terrible looking , but they just don't look like bart trains. I guess that's the problem with using the same 2 models for over 40 years, nothing else looks right. I wish they could have least given the new trains slanted fronts like the A cars.
My opinion has changed since that post; at least the sides resemble the original design. But yeah, I agree, I do not like the front, it appears somewhat generic to other subway cars.
I really don't like the new doors. It's not really "BART" like, it doesn't feel like your on BART. But other than that, the train is pretty good.
+John-Andrew Zacharakis It doesn't have the feel of BART anymore. It's too much.
@@Rubycon99 The slanted fronts didn't allow A cars to be coupled in between cars. Which is why the C cars had flat noses. The new cars have flat noses so they can be coupled in between cars.
8:51 The old map, haven't seen that in years either.
wow i was little back then. I didn't take my first BART ride till 2000.
John Marks I took my first BART ride in 2002.
I took mine in 2005, when I was only a few days old. I wish BART was like back then still, compared to now.
I definietly took these legacy fleet they were golden and historical it feels amazing but noisy still love this archive
Would love to have heard the old (and incredibly annoying and bizarre) "doors closing" sfx. Anyone else remember that?
Here is the sound ruclips.net/video/BoEt-PcKJVc/видео.html
*_•reshirm•_* no. That’s a “new” thing to us. That RUclips video imaginox9 posted is what we heard as a kid. Wasn’t a boing, a doing, a ding, a dong, or bong, and I imagine purposely so. It was a very specific sound. The video is the exact sound, but anyone who’s heard it live will tell you that recording just doesn’t do it justice.
@@slowpoke96Z28 there's a relatively new clip where the sound was played on one of the trains, timestamp 7:38 to be exact. ruclips.net/video/c44dx5LsKlw/видео.html
I am curious to know what video camera did you use back then.
man, that was when bart cars didn't have the Bombarier motors! Plus the seats were brown.
ADtranz actually
I think it may have been an Amstrad, don't remember for sure, but it was not digital.
This is how I remember Bart as a kid not much has changed the cars are the same
But the Interior looks newer and the motors
Bart was so much nicer back then
Ashby station changed the signs
the original propulsion sounds like the original DC propulsion on the wmata 3000 and 4000 series but just lowered pitch
I don’t really like how they had the only ways for checking the destination was the clocks(and on some, a really small sign). The lines don’t really exist either. Until FOTF is in service. They should’ve put a roll sign with every station on bart on it,
QuarioQuario54321 what you mean?
@@slowpoke96Z28 there wasn’t much of a way to know where a train was going
@@QuarioQuario54321 I guess if you grew up with it, it was never an issue. By the time I was riding it by myself, I knew. I imagine most locals experienced the same thing.
@@QuarioQuario54321I also agree, but keep in mind that at least 2000s and 2010s BART had train announcements too! So, there was also another way to know. Now, with the fleet of the future there is no issue with that.
Thank You
I made the video on a visit to America long ago. As to who made the train....well that's anyone's guess....;-)
Yolticat Rohr, an overseas firm.
slowpoke96z28 plus Alsthom (as it was named at the time, since renamed Alstom) and Morrison-Knudsen.
With a side trip to Lafayette at 11:46 :)
When Did Bart Start Using The "George And Jane" Daktronics Talking Signs? Thank-You :)
What do you mean George and jane from were??
@@halomnhh basically, George and Jane (or actually "Gracie" by BART) are the announcement voices that say "Five car, two door train for Fremont now approaching Platform 1" and all that.
That is great footage but this upload date is the same date as the Tsunami of Tohoku and earthquake
Or when bart did not hav dat orange light at the top
Civic Center Station in San Francisco looked mostly the same as it is today, but a little different.
These are the same car models used on the Washington metro!
Difference is metro has 3 doors per car, while Bart has 2 doors per car. Also, in metro dc, you cannot travel between cars like Bart can
P
They both have a car built by rohr
No they're not. These are bigger
@@pressminyes you can
i really love the BART! is fun!
If we have like this in Lagos Nigeria, will be a very good thing
The chopper motor control noise sounds kinda nice
Up until a few years ago you could still hear it in the C1 and C2 cars, but now of course they are in the process of decommissioning the Legacy Fleet, and all of the C2 cars have been retired from service (despite being manufactured in the mid-90s, as opposed to the other cars which have been around since the early 70s).
@@andrewfutterman3346 Yeah that's weird considering that the C cars are less than 35 years old, whereas the A and B cars are 45-55 years old (although a lot of them have been retired now). The C cars are the most versatile, they can be a trailing or ending car.
Maybe because DC traction is less energy efficient than AC VVVF traction that the A and B cars were retrofitted with, but I doubt that is the main reason.
@@atomstarfireproductions8695 I think there were issues with the doors not opening and closing properly, and the cabin windows were also difficult to open and close (I would often sit in the front car and it seemed like the train operator had to use a special tool to close the window).
The new D cars seem to function similarly to the C cars in that they can either serve as leading/trailing cars or be coupled together. But I read that unlike the C cars, you can't walk between the cars. But it looks like they have a door in the center, like the C cars did.
Man to think this was 30 years ago
Thats how I remember Bart as a kid not much has changed the cars are still the same
The interior looks a little different and the motors were rehabed and they have automated signs that talk
I don't know. Maybe someone does.
@DaPlatinumJedi Oh yes thanks, I'm changing it!
Lookin brand new!
That's because you're paying a surcharge when going between SF and South SF counties.
Who made this Old School train?
Rohr
Shame I grew up on these cars, The new bombardier cars suck with less seating :/
So true.
2:48-8:14 The chopper tiristor sound similar The são Paulo Subway Budd mafersa frota a,mafersa frota d and Alstom milênio frota e
Was that funny that bart trains ran pretty good now they got new trains and all of us and they're having problems they sure left the old ones that the way they were
Telling how for the most corporate-looking interior of any metro fleet that a l l of its cars crazily nauseated you with its godawful piss- and flooded-stinking odours.. .. . .
Lol I wasn’t even born yet besides I was born on 2011
They sound like a SEPTA LRV
i scammed the bart on train tickets years ago. would enter with a 1.20 ticket. then exit in sf using my muni pass. then when going home i entered with my muni pass and exit the subway using my 1.20 ticket. did that for a very long time
from the east bay to powell street i paid 1.20 round trip
billy smith But the penalty for that would’ve been over $250
Translation: hi fellow citizen, I stole from you for years. Bask in my awesomeness and smarts...
@reshirm Yeah, the A pass allowed you to travel on BART and Muni as long as you stayed in SF.
ngl I feel what billy did was sort of smart. The A pass only works between SF, so if he ever exited the station with an A pass in somewhere like South Hayward, it wouldn't work.
I wouldn't call this scamming, I'd call it exploiting an unfortunate situation.
If you exit the same station, does it not charge anything?
I guess back then there wasn’t a system to automatically charge full fare when you don’t exit within a certain time. Actually is there a system like that now?
this video makes me the Budd Mafersa fleet of Line 1-Blue sao paulo metro
This video is all about Bay Area rapid transit u
11:40 speed demon
Oh, the correct spelling is "Fremont".
bart has new traun
Bart keep at lest teen cars for holiday trains keed all A.B and C models teen of all
so shiny
Damn bart used to be cleen😢