Why Hip-Hop is the Most Important Artistic Movement in Human History: A Professor Skye Video Essay
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- I often say it, but have never tried to justify it clearly. So, here it is.
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As a Black American from New York City, I have to correct you on one thing. HipHop was actually not "started by immigrants." DJ Kool Herc (which is an American moniker) brought ONE thing from Jamaica, which was the concept of playing the same part of a record over and over. He played FUNK music at those parties. He said himself people weren't trying to hear reggae at that time. Foundational Black American DJs like Grandmaster Flash invented the signature elements of HipHop DJing. And to keep the crowd engaged with the DJ, the Emcee would spit rhymes to the break loop.
The 1st MC was a Black American called "DJ Hollywood" who was around before the inception of HipHop. He was inspired by North Carolina native, Pigmeat Markham's "Here Comes The Judge", which is technically the first "rap" song ever made.
Hollywood saw that Pigmeat was rhyming (in anipestic tetrameter) on a Funk track, and thought that instead of rhyming ON the beat, it would be better to "rhyme TO the beat." This is how we get the concept of Flow, or cadence, and going in and out of various pockets within the beat.
With the goal being to keep the crowd engaged, flow among other things such as metaphor, wordplay, compound rhyming, irony, became the focus of every line spit in front of a crowd. This focus brought MCs to embrace an idea of finding more intricate ways of using language, musically. Sort of like cracking some poetic code. This ideology was spearheaded by Black Americans like Grandmaster Caz and Melle Mel, specifically.
It was Black Americans who then thought to put it all to music, as the first two HipHop songs ever were both made in 79 by Black Americans. Grandmaster Caz actually wrote Big Bank Hank's verse. The Boom Bap sound that would define the 80s and early 90s is really FUNK drums with the BPM turned down. So Hip Hop was started and developed by Black Americans, and it's roots are Black American.
Good points. I’ll pin this for now because it is so helpful. I was not trying to say that hip-hop was not made by Black Americans, but I was trying to emphasize that without some of those black Americans being immigrants it would be very different.
@@professorskye Understood. However, for the sake of being as accurate as possible, I thought it was important to note that even Kool Herc's notable contribution is rooted in Foundational Black American culture.
@@BuddhaNature I'm glad you did! My style is partially improvisational and sometimes things come out in ways that I don't intend. Comments and corrections like yours are very helpful and necessary.
Thank you Professor Skye but whether it was black Americans or immigrants, hip hop is too powerful for us as American black people to think the ancestors weren't involved. To think the ancient griots telling stories over drums in villages didn't turn into rap metaphors or the hieroglyphs in the walls didn't manifest themselves again in graffiti. Hip Hop has always been here in my opinion but I appreciate you Professor Skye.
@@leroygreen6310 Well, I'm certain that with centuries of anthropological research on the hieroglyphs, and the historical references of the griots, there would have been record of Hip-Hop in those cultures, but there is none.
To imply that the ancients writing on walls is Graffiti is to imply that Mayan Pitz is basketball just because a hoop and ball was involved, even though the game itself is completely dissimilar.
Hip Hop is powerful because Foundational Black Americans are powerful. So how can Hip Hop be too powerful for "the ancestors" not to be involved? There were no pyramids until the first one was built, so there were no "ancestors" involved in that.
Hip-Hop is simply the first pyramid.
The Kendrick and Drake beef is bringing me to such great creators
Me too, mate!
"You know what's gonna happen with hip-hop?
Whatever's happening with us
If we smoked out, hip-hop is gonna be smoked out
If we doin' alright, hip-hop is gonna be doin' alright
People talk about hip-hop like it's some giant livin' in the hillside
Comin' down to visit the townspeople
We are hip-hop
Me, you, everybody, we are hip-hop
So hip-hop is going where we going
So the next time you ask yourself where hip-hop is going
Ask yourself: where am I going? How am I doing?
Till you get a clear idea" - Fear not of man, Yasiin Bey (FKA Mos Def)
This is the take right here! To me what makes hip hop as an art form so unique is the way its ability to respond to the environment and culture it's made in, it's what makes it so endlessly moldable across the world. Hip-hop is living and breathing, never static.
PS respect to Yasiin Bey, a legend. Was lucky enough to see him perform live before!
I love the way you talk about music, you're not just critiquing it, you're analyzing its cultural significance
Fantano is very fortunate to have a talk with such an scholar as you 👨🏼🏫
They should switch sub count
Couldn’t agree more
@@mariellacastellanosyanes6054 thank you nita lady
The great Fantano speaks, and you listen, and your mind becomes what he speaks.
You have a Tarantino like passion.
But unlike QT he knows not to use the N-word
Very pleased to hear you’re finally speaking with Anthony Fantano. Been following you for about a year now and you’ve come a long way as a RUclips music reviewer! One of the best music reviewers I’ve found paid attention to so far.
SKYE! The Renaissance, bro!!!!!!!
the beyonce album? yeah true!!
Renaissance was a cultural movement
The Renaissance was a period of time that housed many different art movements, the term mainly just refers to the time in which they took place
Also The Renaissance was fairly exclusive to Europe, while it’s pretty clear nowadays that Hip Hop has grown to a worldwide movement
Bro!! Bro!!
I always come back to this video so let me write down what the reasons are:
1- It is the best and most salient example of African American art. (Never been co-opted by white culture).
2- It is the best example of American artistic excellence. (It was started by immigrants. Adaption and Variety).
3- It is the most interesting way to study international art. (Every country has a hip-hop scene. It's the voice of the voiceless).
4- It is soccer, not hockey. (You don't need resources).
5- Words. (There's a capacity to write poetry, tell stories, be political, personal, emotional, comedic...)
6- The music of Hip-Hop. (Everything has been made, what is left is combination. Post-modernism).
7- It has improved over time. (It has never lessened in dominance. Alternative and mainstream are always equally dominated by hip-hop).
8- It's adaptability and influence. (It can adapt to how music is made. And other music adapts to it).
9- Adaptability, malleability, influence, and longevity. (Art, dance, fashion, cinema, language, business, and performance art were altered because of hip-hop's longevity).
10- It reflects all levels and parts of society. (It promotes and criticizes the american dream. Even the marginalized by the genre can make it)
When I say "Hip Hop is life" when asked what it means to me, most people don't really understand what I'm saying. Mostly because they don't even understand how much Hip Hop is part of their own lives.
This video, especially the point about words, really showed me why I love and connect with Hip-Hop so much.
While I'm certainly not educated enough to qualify the premise of the video, I agree with everything you said regarding hip hop's cultural influence and staying power. One thing that always comes to my mind as an Appalachian is the similarities between country music, folk music (especially Appalachian folk), and hip-hop when it comes to being the "voice of the voiceless." I think people who listen to songs written by striking coal miners and people who listen to Public Enemy can find a lot of common ground.
this is one of your best videos professor. huge fan of your stuff in general but this video has hit me in a specific way i wasnt expecting. loved the way that you explained yourself here and I wasn't expecting to entirely agree with you but came out nodding along with almost everything you said. the "Soccer vs Hockey" argument was excellently put across and is a perfect way of describing something i've been thinking for years. will definitely be sharing this with as many people i can. thank you so much for your work can't wait for your next video :)
Great video! Excellent introduction to your work! As a long time fan, I'll definitely use this get people into the professor skye experience! Sent it to my Boomxer dad (who went through mid twenties music death and hasn't recovered since). He is starting to be interested in Hip Hop with artists like Freddie Gibbs and Benny The Butcher. Excited to see what he thinks of your brilliant, understandable, and always positive thoughts.
Agreed. Hip-Hop's not my genre of choice but it's global influence as an easily communicable, universal form of identity, community, commentary, empowerment, & protest can't be ignored. There is no continent untouched by Hip-Hop. Pretty amazing.
there is no continent untouched by rock and pop and jazz neither. This is no argument for the artistic value of something, it's just market.
@Diego Souza Mate, you've missed the point by a mile. Rock requires gear, Jazz requires proficiency, Pop requires image - Hip-Hop only requires a beat & the ability to rhyme. If you don't understand the power of that universality in a world that largely lives in poverty, then you don't have an opinion.
@@diegopaimsouza imagine being you lmao
This conversation is tremendous and necessary! 🙌🏻
Can’t wait for this interview let’s gooo
Professor I believe this to be your most significant video to date! You bring such a nuanced and refreshing perspective in music reviewing. I don’t even know who this Fantano guy is. Now to go share this video with everyone willing to listen.
Bless you.
This video captures exactly why you’re my favourite academic and music critic - You Get It, and you have both the intellect and the language to help others to get it too
The Use Your Illusion and Nevermind analogy was spot on. Quality content.
I like the art paralles you made in this video!
One of my favorite things about hip-hop (not sure if you got to this yet, I'm halfway through the video and have to go to class and finish later) is how recent it is. I feel like it's developed and evolved and diversified as much as any other artform I can think of, and it's done it in just a few decades. Granted, I wasn't alive for much of that (born in 1998), but it's STILL evolving and diversifying at an alarming rate. I feel like every couple months I hear something unlike anything I've heard before, and I feel my mind expanding with all the possibilities. It's just such a fascinating journey to watch, and one I feel very lucky I get to experience.
Congratulations on your interview with Fantano. Your hard work pays off!
Beautiful! Very well done.
I love being apart of it
I can feel very disconnected with a lot of RUclips Hip Hop analysis channels but never yours, I feel that you viewing it as an art form is what makes you great
Loved this, excellent excellent video as usual
thanks very much mate
Dude you had 1k when I subscribed wtf I'm so glad you're growing
3:20 I find a great deal of solace in seeing someone else who shares this opinion on hip-hop music and culture. Great analysis as always.
the renaissance bro
Trying to make a similar case in my poetry module for my English degree. Think it’s an enlightened art form, Virgil talked about being in a new Renaissance. As you mentioned art history, I see similarities with hip hops way of approaching art, and cubism. Cubism’s idea of taking different angles and perspective on a singular object and building a new version of that object, interesting that cubism was influenced by the creativity of african nations and cultures too. Thankyou for this video, will help with the critical for my writing portfolio
Thank you sir, salute!!!!
This is brilliant. My mind is blown
In the current age of the internet, everything has more global reach... so it's not a fair comparison when comparing the impact of current art movements to art movements of the past.
That was my only critique as well and wanted to see if someone else said it before I would, but it is true. Of course, it's impossible to know what the Renaissance would've looked like if it would be happening in an age where there is the internet, but to use the fact against the artistic movement that it had no real global reach is a little invalid (I think) for that same reason. Although I still think hip hop would be bigger, because it might be more accessible because of it's wide variety of subgenres, in the US alone. Still an interesting point to discuss further.
Hip hop was already a global phenomenon before the internet.
@@leroygreen6310 It was popular but not to the same extent it is now. Music is going to have more reach now because of streaming, people have more access to it, when previous generations were growing up it was either you heard something on the radio or you bought the record. New music is also being released quicker because of technology. There is more genre mixing and experimental work in general, but hip hop seems to be evolving a lot quicker. I'm sure it would have done anyway, but the internet is an accelerator.
Anyway my point is not that hip hop isn't a global phenomenon, but that comparing current music to an art movement from over 5000 years ago is a stretch because the contexts are undeniably very different.
@@eleo1484 The Renaissance was over 5000 years ago? Before the internet not only did hip hop circle the globe several times but it already collectively made a few billion dollars. It was on Tv so that was like the internet but Hip hop had already made its impact on the world before the internet.
@@leroygreen6310 Sorry typo! I meant 500 haha. Yes I do agree that hip hop was already a popular and influential genre but it's become even more popular and influential which has been helped massively by modern technology. As you rightfully say TV has played a big part too, but I think the internet has really changed the way music is consumed and the number of people it can reach. In some ways it has hit a sweet spot in gaining popularity at the same time as technology was advancing.
Great video. And agreed.
I think you would really like the Quebec Hip Hop scene, it's mostly rap in ''franglais'' a fluid mix of english and french in the flow and has very american style production. You can look up Alaclair ensemble and dead obies for exemple. The Hubert Lenoir album that you reviewed was influenced in a way by that.
"Soccer, not hockey" is the biggest point from you. Hip-Hop before and after the invention of the Digital Audio Workstation like FL Studio has still been, and even prosper, as a dominant genre. Other points like it's adaptability and its relevance to the subaltern compared to the Renaissance as you said.
I think an underrated point is the power of features that Hip-hop particularly favors and can bridge the mainstream and underground more easily than other genres.
Bro the renesons???
Thank you.
This is the best video you've made! I hope that your video with Fantano brings in more subscribers. You deserve it!
I was skeptical when you first made the statement, but I also have an undergraduate degree in art history which is basically a study of cultural movements to some degree, and only 4 minutes in to your video, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Hip hop IS the most important movement in human history.
Love having the support of another Art Historian.
Big ups for mentioning Westside Gunn as a major influence in fashion on larger society. GXFR is a legacy.
your point on genre’s needing a mainstream reminds me of Drake, he’s here to carry Hip Hop commercially, so it’s evolution has a terrain to grow on, like how he collabs with Yeat, he’s not being a vulture, but putting on another upcoming artist who can evolve the genre and take it in new places
i love these broad topic video! this is great so far! the melon heads will come here with a great video to get started with
But the renaissance bro 😎
" Rock and roll is hockey" is exactly the take I come to Professor Skye for
I love hiphop. Even if I am Spanish I have grown surrounded by it, mostly rap and graffiti. I love the culture, and your points are very valid to explain why it's probably the most important art movement OF OUR TIME. But I think we can't diminish the impact that artistic movements like the Renaissance had in human history
20:13 the use of DAWs might be why the formerly mentioned indie rock is so popular now
Fresh Offa Tana Talk 4, the Prof hit yall with Ten (More) Art Commandments... nice
I always come back to this, if a video were to be pinned to the top of your channel for everyone to see I believe it should be this one. I was indeed nodding my head in agreement the whole time and left convinced with a new opinion I only feel more strongly about the more I think and reflect on it every time I rewatch. Maybe your most important video in my opinion. AVAA
It is!
@@professorskye That's awesome! I guess you can't see pinned videos if you're already subscribed haha
Something ill about your point that the best hip-hop is current hip-hop, is that despite my decision in 2004 to stop listening to the radio to focus more on 90s and underground hip-hop, which I found was way more to my tastes, at this point, and going back at least 5 years, I almost completely stopped listening to music from the 90s. My rotation from 2019 has only two 90s tracks. My current rotation has around 4 or 5.
I don't even really listen to those artists anymore. I've always been a beats guy, but I feel like Premier and Pete Rock don't hold a candle to The Alchemist or Conductor Williams.
maybe Hip-Hop is so incredible bc it speaks to the heart and body so much,.directly
interested in the post-modern subject, it applies not only to music but to other themes as well. Where can I read more about the subject? Thanks Professor, great video essay
Hard to beat Cahoone's From Modernism to Postmodernism anthology to dip ones toes into primary source selections, "because one has to know what it is whose obsolescence the term 'postmodern' presumably announces."
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Professor Skye --> B-Boy Skye
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It’s the joint
When is the Professor and the Madman gonna drop?
So about that book
The renaissance bro
do you have a link to that book you were holding up during the video? would love to purchase it and give it a read!
“Hey hey, my my/
hip hop can never die”
Great video as usual Skye! but I do coming away from it just thinking about how difficult (impossible?) a question this is to answer when obviously there is no objective way to measure this type of "importance". I think you raise a lot of undeniable points about how the endless potential of hip-hop and the "voice for the voiceless" concept where everyone can theoretically participate in it. However, I am unsure that the concept of the "most important artistic movement" is distinct at all from "the most popular artistic movement". Is there a possible world where the most popular and important artistic movements are not the same? I don't really think so. Is it even possible for a pre-Internet art form to be "more important" than a modern one? It's a small bone to pick but it just led me to thinking this video would be identical if the word "important" was replaced by popular, widespread, or dominant because importance is more difficult to define and inevitably introduces more opinion and personal taste into the equation.
There are a few other points I disagreed with, mainly thinking about jazz. I'm not so sure that the audience for hip-hop hasn't been co-opted as much or more than jazz outside of African-American communities, I kept thinking this the more you talked about the now-international appeal of hip-hop music obviously outside of those communities. I think I also might argue that the "melting pot" idea of influences coming together to form a powerful new form of expression might be more pronounced in jazz (or at least equal, especially considering more technological limitations back then). The way jazz combined different the elements and instrumentation of African music, blues, ragtime, Western classical music, march music even along with Caribbean, Latin, (later) regional European, etc. aspects is one of the most powerful and unique combinations of influences I can think of and maybe my pick for the "most American" art form. I also think you might have underestimated jazz in terms of the time-scale aspect, the most recognizable and popular jazz album ever did come out in 1959, over 60 years after the genre's beginning. I think a lot of people mistake jazz as a "dead" genre only because of the relentlessly creative sensibility inherent in the music that drove it away from the mainstream after a shorter time of massive popularity. Since about the 1980s , I feel like jazz has been in that postmodern stage where it combines difference influences from both its past and the outside world into something new, it's just totally underground at this point. I also think rock has been in its own postmodern stage for the past ~15 years now as well but I'm not quite sure how that will pan out yet. I'm not necessarily saying that jazz is more important and I'm not sure how to quantify importance of art, but I wasn't convinced that every reason is unique or especially present in hip-hop. I'm also not on board with the idea that you cannot hold up 2 equivalent albums to the Conway or Carti album in the genres of jazz and rock (I mean you freely admit you stopped paying attention to music as a whole since the early 2000s or so until like 2018).
I really can't say I disagree with the overall point of the video, but you did give me a lot of interesting thoughts about this topic as a whole and how to even approach it. I'm not sure if you would like to do more of these videos in the future as opposed to normal album reviews, but I know I would thoroughly enjoy every one and hearing about these broader topics from your perspective. I'd also love if you reviewed some "albums you missed" in the past or something like that, but I know you're busy and probably don't have time to be listening to old albums in your free time in addition to all the new ones you review.
my comment is already too long but I should also add that I agree with a lot of other commenters that this whole conversation might also have too much America-centric (or at least Western-centric) bent to it. reminds me I should take more time to learn about the non-Western artistic/musical movements
You should checkout Moor Mother’s album Black Encyclopedia of the Air
what about the renaissance???….bro
Renaissance was a cultural movement
Have you ever listened to varnish la piscine?
You should listen to the new Ho99o9 album. Great mix of metal and hip hop
I’m actually some shmuck sitting on my ass at work, in Iowa. Thank you very much
I agree, Poetry combined with Rythm sampled from all aspects of artistic culture, it is the culmination of so many things, I never understood why Bob Dylan "innovated ways people put verses together" but Griselda is just "Ebonics". Hip Hop has the unique ability to change perspectives or portray foreign perspectives in a way that doesn't rely on the viewer to read an entire book to do so. There are Geniuses in all races and all races contribute to art and Hip Hop is the same, but I agree I don't think white people will co-opt it. I think white people have ruined everything but with rap all cultures are able to contribute to it without it losing its roots in black and street culture because of the mutual respect and love for the craft. I do cringe when I see people adopt their way of talking from rap I wish more people put their individual way of talking and experience into rap rather than copycat slang they don't use. I rap because it is what I grew up doing and I always was validated by my peers and I gained respect in my community through rap, I wouldn't be a rapper if my friend Jaquez (RIP) didn't push me to do it, I would tell him I didn't want to be a pro rapper because I'm white but I was told repeatedly if any white boy should rap it should be me, because I speak for those who don't know how to speak up for themselves and I voice things that ,my community needs. I am the only person alive and not serving life in prison from my original rap collective so I feel compelled to tell our story. Talking about Ukraine Russia rap I Made a song Neo-Slumber partly inspired by the Cold War and Russian pressure on Ukraine (the song was written before the war) I sampled a lament from Ukraine-Russian throat singing and then drowned it out with soviet propaganda choir until all that is left is the Lament. I Intended this to be symbolic of Soviet pressure and how it cannot drown out sorrow it is not a solution.
That Whole Lotta Red vinyl is sliiiiiiick.
You should stream on twitch or RUclips since all ur videos are live anyways
The barrier to entry isnt there. Yiu can start learning immediately, and the best artists are not in the institutions but from the rabble itself .
Please review Monster by Future - a modern-day masterpiece
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okay, the most significant art movement of our times? probably. but taking it to of all time is still, i think, an overstatement.
Would you review jeen-yuhs?
This is funny but true... I’m waiting to watch the third volume with the whole family and my son has been too busy.
I plan on reviewing it once we finally watch.
Did that Anthony fantano interview ever happen?
You fucking get it. And I love that!! But ngl... it's also REALLY frustrating that many folks, even within the black community, simply dont GET IT. It's sad that you are one of the few, if not only, people to really illustrate the power, history, impact, and importance of hiphop.
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i think this is, in large part, an emotional argument. certainly at times in touch with facts as they are well known and at other times possibly not so much. whether or not the gentleman is right on the facts or not is mostly unimportant from an engagement standpoint as a result. i do appreciate the pinned comment. it shows his openness to a thoughtful correction. as far as it goes, I dont think it's possible to know such a thing: is it the most important (whatever) in human history. this is a metaphysical inquiry, basically. is it massively important? maybe. maybe. it certainly seems to be if my imagination isnt running too wild again. it's first of all just a matter of agreeing upon what words actually mean, however. what is meant by "hip-hop" exactly? as described it would seem to be a cultural catch-all whose nature is that it has no nature. it is fully adaptable for anyone at anytime. i agree with this take in a sense but i wonder at what point is it no longer useful or good to call it "hip-hop" or worse, at what point does "hip hop" become essentially meaningless as a term? this question all but nullifies the premise i think, but not the reality on the ground, which seems a little dicey still, this idea that its like a thing which is no thing might be useful even true, in a sense, but as its evolution unfolds i wonder if it's all, all of this..stuff we're talking about, is it still "hip hop". i certainly see the appeal of this idea that it is and i'm not entirely against it myself i just cant help but suspect that there is something in this total cultural dominance...this impossible homogeneity which is at the same time the music, the fashion, the language of the elite and the music, the fashion, the language of the dispossessed...i mean, any notion that we are culturaly at this place where this yin yang like balance might be happening through the power of hip hop is a nice sort of idea i guess, but then, i have to say, it is something that no longer really resembles hip hop as many of us understand it at all, that is, unless we accept a change in what that word means to us. plus that thing i mentioned before is not a thing for real. thats a fantasy. also by virtue of being in such a place we obviate the need for the existance of that place vis a vis "the voice of the voiceless" being so easily heard as it presumably is. And, here is the one major aspect of this fuguestate i must take issue with, that"hip hop" has not been totally co-opted is in my opinion naive. it may be allowed to continue as if this were so, and perhaps one might say this is enough to validate the claim, but to assume it has not been fully groked by agents of the establishment is to deny that they have access, smarts enough and resources the likes of which we can only begin to imagine. if they want to use this powerful tool in any way they concievably could, then please understand, they will. they do. i take what this man is saying as being genuine and to some great degree not wrong. its not that what he believes is wrong at all actually, it's that it isnt knowable or refutable and that is all good, i suppose it's just difficult to interact with as far as treating it like an argument for the claim that hip hop IS the most important cultural movment to ever exist. which is flat out ridiculous. not that hip hop isn't that but, it definitely isnt because like i said before, this is not knowable information. i fucking love hip hop, it has been hugely important to me, personally, throuought my life. but even if it's important in that same way to literally every person on earth right now we still can't make that objective claim seriously. that it is very widepread and adaptable seems pretty true. That it is still very popular after all these years is also clearly correct but what it's doing and whether its important are not really knowable in any complete way. anyway, i like most of what he said here actually, even the parts i found stupid, i still liked it. i am often very stupid and wrong myself, so yeah
An odd comment for the algorithm ...
The renascence bro!
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What books would you recommend for a fan of rap that wants to learn hip hop history?
Tricia Rose “black noise” Nelson George “hip-hop America” and “break beats in the Bronx” by ewoodzie
unrelated to this video: professor skye, i got a book rec for you. Check out Broken glass by alain mabanckou (a congonese french book)
Been listening to hip hop since i was a little kid and iver never seen how important it was
Nothing in this world can't replace power of Gibson Les Paul connect with 250 W Marshall speakers ....
I think you'd consider Lupe Fiascos Drogas Wave a masterpiece album especially after seeing this video
You look like Drew Gooden 30 years from now… subscribed
YOURE HAVING AN INTERVIEW WITH THE MELON?!!?!?!?! BEST ANIME CROSS OVER EVER
Calling hip-hop one of the most important movements in recent music or the most important movement in black music history would be more accurate.
It feels like your perspective is very much centred in the us/ a few other European countries, which isn't necessarily a bad thing perse but we're talking about the entire world here. I'm originally from India but I've spent a few years in other asian countries, mostly due to my job. What I've noticed is yes, hip-hop is considered kinda cool here but it's only consumed by the rich kids and is mostly associated with the upper class trying to get more Americanised (if that makes any sense). The average middle class person doesn't really listen to or care about hip-hop music or fashion because they don't have the money to buy the big gold chains or the expensive Yeezys. It's considered ostentatious/pretentious by most people here
You looking at hip hop from the lens of people that are already rich vs the poor ghettos of America that the artform mostly represents. Before these rappers blow up and buy gold chains they usually come in talking about the poverty their trying to escape.
@@leroygreen6310 again, your perspective is focused on the us and the West. That's simply not the case in other countries
@@icystorm9968 I don't know what you mean by that cause I'm sure every country speaks from a "us" perspective cause all countries aren't combined into one.
@@leroygreen6310 no i mean the USA perspective
@@icystorm9968 I still don't know what you mean cause no matter where you go on the planet you'll have groups within groups within groups that say "us" when talking about culture.
One of the most beautiful thing about hip-hop is that you can fight with someone you don’t like through rhyme, dance, or graffiti and the culture will have you leave it there. You just got out rhymed and lost the argument. Biggie and PAC proved the rule by the reaction of the people saying the beef was taken to far. Balance is restored by keeping the fight in the art itself. Why is fighting good? Because holding it in kills you. If you are going to express an emotion so harmful to your being, that energy should make hip-hop (I.e the society) better.
skye i’m having trouble finding your fantano interview - is it still up?
Should be? Ukrainian rappers
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when the jeenyuhs review dropping?
oh i thought you were on france, mate
professor skye, could you review Barnacles by Sahbabii
What about punk?
Hip Hop is the counter culture genre that always seems to go pop culture in every generation, country and culture.
I can't listen to fantano anymore. He's become too "extra"... I just can't
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He’s not talking about people like him he’s talking about white rappers who take it and transform so white audiences will listen to it more
I’m glad you really like hip-hop, I love it too. There’s not a day that goes by where I don’t listen to rap or hip hop… but there are some flaws in your argument to reach what you are claiming.
First, using your arguments, I don’t even know if you can make a point that rock, folk or jazz also aren’t equally important. In each of their heydays, these were movements which permeated every level of society, influenced culture outside of their own medium of expression, and were built from American exceptionalism and diversity. They all seem to fit your criteria.
This leads me to the second issue, your model is only going to favor art made in the last 100 years, and specifically American art, since like you said America is exceptional in that we have embraced the value of immigration culturally. On top of this, the last 100 years is the first time in history where we have been so globally interconnected that a cultural hub like America has such a megaphone to reach and influence people in every country around the world. Does that make more insular works from homogenous cultures less important? Opera, Renaissance art, Dante, Virgil and Roman art would equally showcase Italian exceptionalism, without the immediate global impact and diversity. Does the way the world worked at the time devalue artistic expression? Personally, I don’t think so.
Lastly, dovetailing with the last point, you seem to make a lot of arguments for cultural impact, but I think some recency bias is at play here. These earlier movements are essential for hip hop to have the cultural impact you were talking about. Does that make one more important than the other? I don’t think so. I actually think ranking artistic movements is not really a worthwhile endeavor as they all play a role in the tapestry of modern culture and measuring the true magnitude of impact for each is impossible. It’s all important, each part could not exist without what proceeded it.